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Redskins QBs past, present stage a lively summit

With so much turmoil surrounding the Redskins, the stage was set for an awkward night of banter at "A Night of Quarterbacks," an event dreamed up and hosted by ESPN 980 Tuesday night in Arlington. Toss in the fact that one of the night's participants (Jurgensen, Sonny) has been consistently critical of another (Campbell, Jason), and it was definitely worth having a tape recorder rolling.

Campbell, Jurgensen and Joe Theismann sat on a stage alongside Larry Michael, the night's emcee, and talked for about a half-hour. Campbell began by discussing some of the challenges that go along with playing the quarterback position.

"As a quarterback, when it's all going good, you get a lot of the credit. When it's not going good, you get a lot of the blame," he said. "That's where you have to have tough skin throughout a lot of it and a positive attitude."

"Especially from Joe and Sonny," said Jurgensen.

Jurgensen had previously said on the radio that Campbell should've been benched in the Tampa Bay game and that the Redskins would've gone 4-0 if backup Todd Collins had been the started. There were no such pronouncements Tuesday night, as both of the Redskin icons had nice words for Campbell.

"The position means something to him," Theismann said of Campbell. "To play quarterback for the Washington Redskins means something to him. And for me, that goes an awful long way. Because you want a guy who wants that position."

The trio discussed their respective eras, salary differences, media saturation, free agency, team loyalty, relationships with fans. After one especially long Theismann monologue, Michael turned to Campbell, who said: "I got about two minutes left, right?"

Later, as the group talked about how money has changed the game, Campbell began discussing his talented Auburn teams.

"Did you make good money in college?" Jurgensen quipped.

"I didn't make any money," Campbell said when the chuckles died down. "They made money off us."

And of course, the Redskins' play-calling was brought up. Both Jurgensen and Theismann have been critical of the team's midseason switch from Coach Jim Zorn to offensive consultant Sherm Lewis as the play-caller. Jurgensen didn't seem to think such a thing would've ever happened during his playing days.

"I don't think they let the quarterbacks express themselves now. Because It's a coaches' game now," he said. "They call the plays. they choreograph games. We didn't have Bingo callers calling our games. We controlled the game on the field."

The Hall-of-Famer also had pointed words with the way the Redskins handled the entire situation.

"They can switch play-callers without it ever being released. A lot of coaches do that," Jurgensen said. "Joe Gibbs did it with Jack Burns. A lot of coaches do it. Andy Reid has done it. That could've been handled it and nobody would've known a thing about the plays except for Jason. He'd be the only one who had an idea that somebody else was calling the plays. Play-calling is the most overrated thing in the game, and they continue talking about it. All these coaches have these big menus, and all it is a big menu.... It's execution. It has nothing to do with the play you call."

"... All these coaches get wrapped up," he continued. "Jim Zorn gets wrapped up in it too much. I told him that. He was talking about the Giants game; he said, 'You realize I didn't get to my 15th play of my script until the third quarter?' I said, 'Who cares? The game dictates how you call the game. It's not that script that you got that you put together on Tuesday or Wednesday.'"

Theismann addressed a good question to Campbell about the play-calling process. With Lewis sending calls down to offensive coordinator Sherman Smith on the sidelines, who relays them to Campbell on the field, does the quarterback have time in the huddle to discuss with teammates what they're seeing from defenders -- whether they see cornerbacks giving up on a route or a linebacker or a safety leaning a certain way?

"Nah, the only time you have a chance to talk about it now is in between timeouts, and in between TV timeouts," Campbell said. "Now in the play-clock, you'd like to have the play in early so you have a chance to tell the guys what you're looking for on a certain play. But sometimes that play gets in and you're hitting on 16 seconds and [the radio] shuts off on 15. Now you're at the line of scrimmage, you have motions and shifts -- now you're down to five seconds -- so there's no opportunity to check plays sometimes. That puts you in a bad position, a tough position. There's not an opportunity to do all the communication in between plays, before plays, things that are important. Sometimes play-calling becomes overrated because you can get so wrapped up into it. But at the end of the day, the players have to execute the plays."

By Rick Maese  |  November 4, 2009; 9:13 AM ET
 
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There goes your neighborhood...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, my wife is black, I dont somke and I also dont vote. It was in reference to his southern, cant throw to an open reciever retardation. But its good to know that the first thing someone would think about would be race, brownwood26 is Kevin Blackistone!

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 9:23 AM


Right...because it's soooo unbelievable that race would come to mind when you say that a black dude from Mississippi should be working on a shrimp boat. I'm sure that's what ALL black guys do in Mississippi. No office jobs, no lawyers, no doctors...just shrimp fishers. My bad...

Idiot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Right. All those local reporters with press passes to get around Redskins Park have NO access to the Skins.

The ongoing presence around the practice facility, the news conferences, the stadium on game day, the lockerroom - all that is brown bagged bullcrap.

And by the way, you've done nothing to advance your point b/c your logic simply argues that Sally Jenkins opinion is just as useless and ignorant as everyone else's.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2009 9:23 AM


Still waiting for your point...there are no columnists there. By the logic you're bringing in here, there should never be a Redskins column from Wilbon or Kornheiser or Boswell because they don't go to press conferences or interview players like the beat writers do.

What I'm saying is a columnist is paid to write on their OPINION. You don't need a press pass to have an opinion on the subject. Jenkins gets the same info that Bos and Wilbon do, they just express it differently.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I heard on Monday night how Brees during practice would simulate all his reads on every pass play he ran. hey also said Brees and Payton all football geeks. I read how Irvin gave pointers to Austin on how to anticipate the snap count to get a jump on the DBs, how to make the difficult catch over the middle. Things Irvin says he seeing out of Austin these days. I get no sense of those habits, traits, use of knowledge base occurring at Redskins Park. These players need to pick up their level of professionalism. All this losing is fostered a culture of losing habits.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Play-calling is the most overrated thing in the game, and they continue talking about it."

Tell that to Bill Walsh, the man who's known for popularizing the scripting of the 1st 15 plays to start the game.

The better thing to say is that without the players, the plays mean nothing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

twis, in last weeks SI, the article on the saints said how Brees, and all the widouts stay after practice every day, and run all the routs they have, they also review film together on the upcoming defensive backs, as well as go out to dinner together.

If anything JC doesn't have the cache to do this, but if someone like Moss were to call for this to happen, it would be different...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree 100% with Sonny...the emphasis on play calling here has been laughable. When this team won Super Bowls, Russ Grimm would TELL THE OPPONENT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA RUN! And it still worked because the players executed it consistently. This team is all about style over substance, truly a shame.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Tell that to Bill Walsh, the man who's known for popularizing the scripting of the 1st 15 plays to start the game.

The better thing to say is that without the players, the plays mean nothing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 9:45 AM


Dude, he said play-calling was "overrated", not unimportant. The emphasis should be on execution, not play-calling and Sonny is completely right on that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Good story, Greg. How is it that you came to hate the Pats if that's the home team? Looks like you root for everyone else local.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"As a quarterback, when it's all going good, you get a lot of the credit. When it's not going good, you get a lot of the blame," he said.

So the crown is heavy, Mr. Campbell?

BFD.

Shouldn't a fifth year NFL player be immune to all of that?

One way to lessen the load would be to show the kind of on the field passion that tells fans, "Yeah, things suck, but they suck for me, too."

"I hate losing and getting beat up every Sunday," should be the attitude we see with every stain on the back of your jersey from a sack.

Your "I'm-a-laid back-polite-Southern-dude-" routine is as tired as grits and eggs every Sunday morn.

Do us all a favor and b!tch out your non-blockers blockers or pass dropping catchers.

It'll lighten your load.

It'll make the crown your wear as starting quarterback easier to bear.

And show us all you really care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

BG what this is saying to me is that there are no true leaders on this offense. That's the bottom line. Someone his to step up on that side of the ball. Fletcher is the only leader on this team. I hope Orakpo steps up once Fletcher leaves. Cartwright is a leader, but his play/role his voice doesn't really generates the cache it should.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

brown, the pats can do no wrong in the local media, they've become fans, more than reporters. Anyone who questions the things that the pats do, is to be mocked, and ridiculed...it just gets tired...no one wants to call anything that happened, drafting TB, the tuck rule, lucky. It was all skill, and what not...

moe, never had grits, but then I've never had scrapple either, so I cannot comment...I do however like bacon if that counts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I highly suggest you try scrapple it is a fine pork product

Posted by: swalker5 | November 4, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it is "what" play that is called that is the issue. I think it is "when" the play is called. I think Sherm Lewis did a good job with "when" the play was called in the last game. So, I kind of agree with what Sonny was saying, but I have heard him dispute "when" plays were called and I think this is an issue he sidestepped in his comments. It sounds like they got the kinder, gentler Sonny last night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"...what this is saying to me is that there are no true leaders on this offense."

How can this be when these pro bowlers and serious money-makers are on it?:

Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Chris Samuels
Chris Cooley

Perhaps the offensive leadership void is the result of the serious money-makers and pro bowlers not getting heard when they say, "It's been five years, and we still aren't on the same page..." or "I wonder how I'd do with better blockers...".

Too, perhaps the ownership should owe up to the fact that 3 out of the 4 offensive leaders it has are kinda sorta living on reps made 5 years ago.

Moss and Cooley have value.

Samuels should retire.

And the biggest mouth on the offense Portis should be paid to leave.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Greg, the national media's not much better. I can see how that would get annoying.

Ironic that you root for a team where the media seems to HATE the team it covers though. High comedy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow 2 Redskin ICONS.. Sonny a Hall a Famer and Joe a Super Bowl winner.. then they have Jason.. the LOSER!!! Next time they should have Sonny, Joe and Heath Schuler..

Posted by: sovine08 | November 4, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

moe, of that group, I think only Samuels was a vocal guy, so you're left with somewhat of a void in the leadership dept...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple, again?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Campbell was drafted by Gibbs to be a "system" QB 'a la Mark Rypien. Compare the two & you'll see their physical traits & skill sets are basically the same. Problem is, Gibbs' system never got established and young Jason has been left holding the bag, attempting to be something he's not.
Given that he's proven himself durable, careful with the ball (until recently) and has experience learning new systems quickly, I look for him to be a much sought after backup in the league once he's done here.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | November 4, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Next time they should have Sonny, Joe and Heath Schuler."


The sad thing is from the sh!tty way he got treated, Brad Johnson--a guy who had a stellar season with the skins--would never want anyone to know he was here pitching balls deep.

Remember these numbers?:

1999 Brad Johnson 4,005 yards, 24 TDs and 13 INTs 316 completions

We'd all kill for that now.

We haven't serious offense since.

If you don't believe me, ask Jeff George.

He remembers what went down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

where have you gone albert connell, and michael westbrook....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The only news I will look forward to reading about this team is if we get rid of Vinny, or acquire 10 lineman next year.

Anything else is just wearing sunglasses at Chernobyl.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 4, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Right...because it's soooo unbelievable that race would come to mind when you say that a black dude from Mississippi should be working on a shrimp boat. I'm sure that's what ALL black guys do in Mississippi. No office jobs, no lawyers, no doctors...just shrimp fishers. My bad...

Idiot.


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse
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Again, what does the fact that he's black have to do with anything. Dont try and put whatever issues you have with the color of peoples skin on someone else.

Idiot.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple never gets old.

Never.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

What was Sonny's record with the Redskins?
Trust me, it was a losing one.
How soon (he) forgets.
He went to (didn't play due to injury) 1 Super Bowl that Billy Kilmer played the last 10 or so games that got them there. Other than that, he was the Dan Fouts of his day, a stat producing accurate passer that played pretty well as a HOF'er, but lost alot more than he won.

Posted by: kedavis | November 4, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

nonsensical2001,
Rypien and Campbell are only vaguely similar quarterbacks. ypien was once called "one of the smartest players I have ever coached" by Joe Gibbs; Campbell's coach won't even trust him to call audibles. Rypien had a strong accurate arm; Campbell has a strong arm. Rypien was mobile as a statue while Campbell can move. Rypien could read defenses and get the ball out quickly; Campbell holds on to the ball too long. I'll admit that Gibbs drafted them both with similar intentions on how to use them, but their skill sets are very different.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple isn't good for your health, Red.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

hi ho scrapple!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"...where have you gone albert connell, and michael westbrook...."

What's instructive about Brad Johnson's redskin years is that when you think about Jason Campbell is you realize that are the same kind of quarterback: a guy best suited for a strong running game, deep balls down the center of the field.

You have to hope that some crafty moves are made to improve the redskins' offensive line, and a home run hitting type running back is found to give Campbell a shot at what he's made for.

'Cuz right now, all he's made for is the waiver wire.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

First of all, scrapple is awesome. Secondly, Joe Gibbs was awful as a talent evaluator. Take Bobby Beathard, now there's a real talent evaluator.

Posted by: shanks1 | November 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If sonny was the Dan Fouts of his day and Dan Fouts was the Dan Fouts of Dan Fouts day, who is the Dan Fouts of this day?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Again, what does the fact that he's black have to do with anything. Dont try and put whatever issues you have with the color of peoples skin on someone else.

Idiot.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 10:34 AM


Keep deflecting, dude. You'd make a great politician...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

'The only news I will look forward to reading about this team is if we get rid of Vinny, or acquire 10 lineman next year."

Why would you look forward to that? Look what they did with the receivers last year -- they went after 3 flashy guys, not paying attention to things like work ethic, brains, health, and past history. How well did that turn out for them. It was Brandon Lloyd all over again -- he was fast and elusive, and he regularly made circus catches -- in practice. It didn't occur to them that he never did it in a game. I'm anticipating that the same thing will happen this year with linemen; they'll draft a bunch of them, and they'll all be guys that other teams have red flagged. And they'll sign some free agents to big contracts because they have a lot of "potential," not realizing that the reason their teams let them go is because potential is not the same as good.

The more things change...

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | November 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Well, my wife is black, I dont somke and I also dont vote. It was in reference to his southern, cant throw to an open reciever retardation. But its good to know that the first thing someone would think about would be race, brownwood26 is Kevin Blackistone!

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 9:23 AM

"Well, my wife is black" haha what a defense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 4, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Tell that to Bill Walsh, the man who's known for popularizing the scripting of the 1st 15 plays to start the game.Posted by: MistaMoe"

Walsh did do exactly that, but hardly ever ran them. As soon as the defense began deviating from its tendencies, he would abandon the script. Some games he'd only run two or three of those first twenty. Other games he'd get ten deep into the list. A lot depended on the defensive coordinator. If you're playing Buddy or Rex Ryan, expect to be forced out of the plan.

Holmgren, Zorn, and others draw up a script but remain ever-ready to abandon it if an opportunity emerges.

But you're right: it's the players who execute.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Idiot.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 10:34 AM

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Mangidiot

[courtesy of cL]

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"Scrapple isn't good for your health.."

The problem with pork is that some of the food like sausages is made from the thing the male pig porks with.

(INSERT a chorus of bad pun groans and shouts from PETA about bloggas' rights as the image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks his tie and complains about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

where have you gone albert connell, and michael westbrook....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 10:30 AM


Forget those guys...it's Tre Johnson and Jon Jansen (the young versions, of course) I want back.

Wow, try saying 'Tre Johnson and Jon Jansen' 5 times fast. You might have a stroke.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

a young Stephen Davis as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for your point...there are no columnists there. By the logic you're bringing in here, there should never be a Redskins column from Wilbon or Kornheiser or Boswell because they don't go to press conferences or interview players like the beat writers do.

What I'm saying is a columnist is paid to write on their OPINION. You don't need a press pass to have an opinion on the subject. Jenkins gets the same info that Bos and Wilbon do, they just express it differently.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse


It's quite simple brownwood. Don't obfuscate b/c your nonsense has been outed.

The quality of people's opinions relies heavily on interpretation of facts. The people who have the best access to the facts of the team are the people who are present where the team is present, interacting directly with those people on a consistent basis.

My point is that the information underlying Jenkins's opinions is nothing more than what you, me, and any other shcmuck with an internet connection can get. Maybe that's something to you, but not to me. I expect professional sports writers to get a little more than that to base their opinions on.

And by the way, I have been critical of Wilbon for the same reason. Ever since he became an NBA/ESPN company man, my opinion of his opinions on the local sports scene has diminished. Same w/ Kornheiser who, in my opinion, has become little more than a stand-up comic with a sports slant. To his credit, even Kornheiser openly admits that he's no longer a serious sports journalist and more of an entertainer. I never got much into Boswell b/c he's mostly a baseball guy and that's not very high on my list of favorite sports. I

felt that the best material that WaPo was generating was right before Wilbon/Kornheiser got big through PTI, and those guys were entrenched in the local sports scene. Even then, Kornheiser was killing Jenkins from time to time for precisely the reason that SHE LIVES IN NEW YORK AND IS DISCONNECTED FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN DC.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple is traditionally a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and flour, often buckwheat flour and spices. It is similar to Pon haus, which uses only the broth from cooked meat.

The mush is formed into a semi-solid congealed loaf, and slices of the scrapple are then panfried before serving. Scraps of meat left over from butchering, not used or sold elsewhere, were made into scrapple to avoid waste.

Scrapple is best known as a regional American food of the Mid-Atlantic States (Delaware, Maryland, Virginia). Scrapple and Pon haus are also commonly considered an ethnic food of the Mennonite and Amish, or Pennsylvania Dutch.

Scrapple is found in supermarkets throughout the region in both fresh and frozen refrigerated cases, and it can sometimes be found in frozen form in cities as far away as Los Angeles.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's the thing about offense IMO: in today's NFL, you've got a widening gap between teams that are built to score a lot of points, and teams that are built to control the clock. Right now, the speed-scoring clubs seem to be ascendant: NO, IND, maybe AZ, while the ball control clubs struggle (NYG, TEN, CAR, WASH, TAM). Some teams, like Minnesota, Philly, Dallas, and Houston seem to have some of both. But if you've got a potentially dominant defense and effective special teams, you're better off controlling the ball on offense, even if it means scoring fewer touchdowns. On the other hand, if your club's defensive effort is spotty, then you want to score all the points you can as quickly as possible, and force the opponent to play catchup.

If you had to pick the teams best prepared to win IN THE PLAYOFFS (not the regular season), who would you select?

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If sonny was the Dan Fouts of his day and Dan Fouts was the Dan Fouts of Dan Fouts day, who is the Dan Fouts of this day?

Posted by: alex35332

If he's the Dan Fouts of his day, then is he the Babe Lafenberg of his night?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Like in '07 when NE went 18-0, they outscored everyone. That worked great until the Super Bowl when they ran into a team that could hold the ball and keep their offense off the field. For that one game, NY had the advantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other scraps, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth.

Fans of scrapple sometimes boast that scrapple contains everything from a pig except the "oink." Once cooked, bones and fat are discarded, the meat is reserved, and cornmeal is boiled in the broth to make a mush. The meat, finely minced, is returned, and seasonings, typically sage, thyme, savory, black pepper and others are added.

The mush is formed into loaves and allowed to cool thoroughly until set. The proportions and seasoning are very much a matter of the region and the cook's taste.

Commercial grade scrapple often contains these traditional ingredients, and other filler ingredients, which is why scrapple is often referred to as "mystery meat."

A few manufacturers have introduced beef and turkey varieties and artificial color to the loaf to retain the traditional coloration derived from the original pork liver base. Home recipes for chicken and turkey scrapple are also available.

Vegetarian scrapple, made from soy protein or wheat gluten, is offered in some places. It is seasoned to be much sweeter than typical meat scrapple.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Scrapple isn't good for your health, Red.

Posted by: Chia_Pet


Neither is following the Redskins these days, but I still do it.

p1funk, did you ever make the banner for the Wizards game?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

sam, good post. You can add NE to the speed scoring clubs.

And you can put me down for wanting a team that can score AT will from ANY point on the field...

You get that type of offense, with this defense, and you could go places.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This Brownwood dude is beyond retarded.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

A scrapple and scrambled egg sandwich is a very good way to start your day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"It's execution. It has nothing to do with the play you call."

I know this is going to sound rediculous but has it ever occured to these guys that it may be easier to execute when the defense doesn't know what you are going to do? It's hard to execute a run left the 5th time in a row. It's hard to execute a fade pass to a guy that's 5'10''. Sometimes you can execute no matter what but that takes elite talent. In order to get elite talent you must invest a lot of resources. We've pretty much neglected our offense for the better part of a decade so play calling has become a lot more important. Our players need an edge in order to execute. It isn't their fault. It's Vinny/Gibb's fault for dumping our draft picks on overpriced trades.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If sonny was the Dan Fouts of his day and Dan Fouts was the Dan Fouts of Dan Fouts day, who is the Dan Fouts of this day?

Posted by: alex35332


Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

RAPA Scrapple, is an iconic brand in the scrapple industry.

In 1926 two brothers from Bridgeville, Delaware founded the RAPA Scrapple manufacturing plant. The brothers were named Ralph Adams and Paul Adams. This duo joined their names to create the RAPA trademark. Their recipe for the pork product has been used since the early 1920s when they developed it.

Rapa has made great strides since its founding. Product innovation and unparalleled customer satisfaction have been the cornerstones for growth.

The plant is still located in Bridgeville and is the largest producer of scrapple in the world. With a staff of 60, RAPA Scrapple has become a leading brand.

Tours are offered to the public M-F, 9AM to 4PM, and Saturdays from 10AM - 2PM.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Product innovation and unparalleled customer satisfaction have been the cornerstones for growth.

Paging Mr. Snyder...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

When is Dan Fouts' Day? Do we get that day off? Are the banks closed?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"A scrapple and scrambled egg sandwich is a very good way to start your day."

You gotta put some cheese on that bad boy.

A fried egg will also suffice.

Posting the contents of scrapple will not stop me from buying one tomorrow morning. Scrapple could be made up of toe-jam, green boogers, and hair dandruff and I'll still probably eat it.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chia_Pet - is your family from Berks County too? I saw 'em making scrapple on my grandmother's farm once when I was a kid - pleasant memory.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | November 4, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

National Scrapple Day, Nov. 9: Though the Pennsylvania Dutch may cherish the meaty monster that is scrapple, it's unlikely that this hog-offal holiday garners national appeal.

Posted by: connskins | November 4, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"... the dark side of the RAPA brand is that both Ralph and Paul Adams died in 1927 after years of subsisting almost entirely on scrapple. The overzealous brothers thought the best way to evangelize their invention was to be living testament to its curative powers.

"So come on down and visit the Adams memorial when you're in Bridgeville. It's a statue of the brothers sculpted entirely from pork product. And while you're here, get your blood pressure tested for free!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 4, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

What was Sonny's record with the Redskins?
Trust me, it was a losing one.
How soon (he) forgets.
He went to (didn't play due to injury) 1 Super Bowl that Billy Kilmer played the last 10 or so games that got them there. Other than that, he was the Dan Fouts of his day, a stat producing accurate passer that played pretty well as a HOF'er, but lost alot more than he won.

Posted by: kedavis | November 4, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse
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Kedavis how quickly you forget or you might not have even been born then, but Sonny played on some really bad teams. There was no way he was going win with Otto Graham as the coach. Now had he played in SB 7, we might have won that game. Defense played amazing keeping Griese and that backfield to only 14 points. Sonny would not have hit the goal post like Billy did in the drive that should have been a touchdown. But he wasn't 100% (but he could have played) and Allen wouldn't let him suit up. He and Allen had personal issues, but Vince Lombardi himself said that if he had Sonny in Green Bay, they would have never lost a game. I've been privileged to witness two pure passers in this area, Johnny U and Sonny. Trust me, Sonny know what the hell he's talking about, you don't find too many players getting HOF honors for having played on losing teams. Sonny is a rare one, and this year is just eating him up.

Posted by: clark202 | November 4, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

There is no difference between pork hot dogs and scrapple.

Who ever first cooked up scrapple should have thought of a better name.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The quality of people's opinions relies heavily on interpretation of facts. The people who have the best access to the facts of the team are the people who are present where the team is present, interacting directly with those people on a consistent basis.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2009 11:01 AM


Great definition. Spot on. But the point you're missing is, columnists aren't going to get stuff straight from the horse's mouth. They're taking stuff from the beat writers and the reports...stuff that everyone has access to. In which case, sitting in New York with that information and forming an opinion on it doesn't make it any less credible because that opinion wasn't formed in Georgetown or Takoma Park or Northeast. I agree that Sally is off the reservation on a number of things, but it's not because she's in NY. It's because her view is sometimes off base. I know people who watch every game, every press conference, every interview and yet still have one of the most f-ed up perspectives on Redskins football than anyone. It's matter of perspective, not geography.

I agree about the Wilbon/Kornheiser columns pre-PTI. But again--TK saying Sally "LIVES IN NEW YORK AND IS DISCONNECTED FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN DC" has more to do with the time period (late 90s/turn of the century when there wasn't a 24/7 news cycle and the internet wasn't as loaded with constant updates of information) than her living in NY.

But think what you like. Agree to disagree.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse



Right...because it's soooo unbelievable that race would come to mind when you say that a black dude from Mississippi should be working on a shrimp boat. I'm sure that's what ALL black guys do in Mississippi. No office jobs, no lawyers, no doctors...just shrimp fishers. My bad...

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.--BUBBA

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This Brownwood dude is beyond retarded.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM


I suppose that remark is OK because you have a mentally disabled relative? I mean, just following your trail of logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Well, my wife is black, I dont somke and I also dont vote. It was in reference to his southern, cant throw to an open reciever retardation. But its good to know that the first thing someone would think about would be race, brownwood26 is Kevin Blackistone!

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 9:23 AM

"Well, my wife is black" haha what a defense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8
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My wife's in a black mood most of the time, does that count?

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

YOU PLAY TO WINTHE GAME

The Redskins didn't. To me, nobody did their job well then.
Every single person in the organization needs to focus on getting better in how everything is done.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard

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I see your point. But saying “nobody” did his job well is a little like the teacher who makes the entire class stay after school because someone hit her with a spitball when her back was turned. Okay, in this instance, almost the entire class spat spitballs at her, but the nerd in back with his head in his math book should not be made to stay late.

Some players (and I suspect, coaches and even suits) on the Redskins give 100%. Unfortunately as for the team, one of them is on injured reserve and another just broke his ankle and is out for a few weeks.

You improve a team by identifying the 100%ers and MOST IMORTANT OF ALL you find a GM who can identify motivated and talented and smart and healthy players who can come to the team and play at 100% from the gitgo.

It goes without saying that Vinny isn’t that guy. The fact that second year player Fred Davis, who can’t or won’t block, now also has to cram to learn the playbook is just the latest example.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Sonny would not have hit the goal post like Billy did in the drive that should have been a touchdown."

It's amazing that how things at one time made perfect sense.

Now it looks ridiculous to have the goal post fixed in the end zone. They didn't think that the bars would interfere with passes?

What made them change it?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

cork, how about the coaching staff, who either ignored this fact, and up to this point in time, did NOTHING, or knew about this, and simply ignored Davis all together??

Its not that simple as to just blame one guy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

my mantra has always been head coach and Qb joined at the hip as the essential factors for NFL success....not always raw talent but more often talent in combination with an "it factor" leadership, confindence, moxy...call it what ever you want but the good ones and the great ones all have that and pulls everyone together ....this is what i see missing both in jc and zorn....forget for now the oline issues and lack of developement by the 2nd rounders et al...the lack of high calibur QB play has been our biggest issue for a decade....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | November 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If sonny was the Dan Fouts of his day and Dan Fouts was the Dan Fouts of Dan Fouts day, who is the Dan Fouts of this day?

Posted by: alex35332


Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse
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Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Matt Hasselbeck
Carson Palmer
Kerry Collins
Jeff Garcia
Peyton Manning is borderline, but he at least won once.

Posted by: clark202 | November 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I like the name 'scrapple'.

I like the SOUND it makes, too!!

BIRD!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

My wife's in a black mood most of the time, does that count?

Posted by: chasgiffen

Sounds like she's black Irish.

I'm of Irish descent so I love to quote the line by fabled Irish comic David Steinberg who said:

"The Irish, while a warm and wonderful race, will sell their children for whiskey."

Okay, I lied, Steinberg is a Jewish comedian turned world class TV director. He does an entire pre-PC routine about prejudice and it is hilarious as it pokes fun at prejudices. He'd be booed off the stage if he tried that stuff, now, and more's the pity.

My wife ISN'T black, she has enough tsouris being married to me, but I AM Sparticus, by the way.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

But the point you're missing is, columnists aren't going to get stuff straight from the horse's mouth.

But think what you like. Agree to disagree.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse


And that's where I think you are wrong. The colmnists may not have the 24/7 job of a beat writer, but they get access.

Mike Wise talks to Gilbert Arenas. Boswell talked to Strasbourg and the Nats brass. Wilbon and TK talked to the guys in the local scene. That's a fact. And that's what made their columns unique and interesting to read.

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, cheese is a must on a scrapple and egg (fried or scrambled) sandwich on toast, best served with side of bacon or sausage and large coffee

Posted by: swalker5 | November 4, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

clark202, Carson Palmer or Kerry Collins are probably more the modern day Fouts then anyone else on that list.

McNabb was probably a bad comparison. At least he went to a super bowl.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

My wife's in a black mood most of the time, does that count?

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

No this won't work.

I suggest that you carry around a picture of a black women in your wallet. This way if someone is ever offended by a racist remark you can show them the picture and say it's your wife.

This is the only way to be sure that none of your comments will be viewed as racist.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 4, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

cork, how about the coaching staff, who either ignored this fact, and up to this point in time, did NOTHING, or knew about this, and simply ignored Davis all together??

Its not that simple as to just blame one guy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

First of all, I don't blame just one guy. In my post I blamed Vinny for davis, but in truth, he shares the blame with Sndyer, Zorn, the TE coach, OC, his college coaches including Pete Carroll and lord who knows who else.

But if I'm not mistaken the one guy I mentioned in the post, Cerrato, also hired the blameworthy Redskin coaches bass ackwards, (hiring assistants first), then ended up promoting a guy not ready for prime time from his own assistant pool.

Man. that's one GIANT spitball.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"It's execution. It has nothing to do with the play you call."

When you diagnose a defensive weakness in the red zone and call a play that leaves Devin Thomas (twice) and Fred Davis WIDE open in the endzone, it has very little to do with execution, and everything to do with the play you call.

But I guess running a HB-pass in the red zone failed because of the 'execution'.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If sonny was the Dan Fouts of his day and Dan Fouts was the Dan Fouts of Dan Fouts day, who is the Dan Fouts of this day?

Posted by: alex35332


Drew Brees

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I see our wideouts going half speed. The HC allows this to happen. Let's not forget that Zorn is in the wrong role there. (How is Fred Davis ALLOWED to have a giggling problem? Think Chucky would have stood for that?) It nonetheless comes back to Snyder needing to fire Cerrato and stop playing fantasy football with the roster.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

etrod, alex, I was gonna suggest Carson Palmer... terrific stats, 32-33 career record, absolutely zero chance of ever leading the Bengals to a title.

Brees' lifetime record is a touch over .500, so I think that disqualifies him. Though playing for a perennial loser franchise certainly helps his case.

Hmm... wait, Dan Fouts' lifetime record was also a touch over .500. Drew Brees it is.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 4, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm going to drop some science here and see who picks it up:

Time Out Chicken & Bisquet in Chapel Hill, NC (back in the 80's & 90's especially!!)

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

When you diagnose a defensive weakness in the red zone and call a play that leaves Devin Thomas (twice) and Fred Davis WIDE open in the endzone, it has very little to do with execution, and everything to do with the play you call.

Posted by: psps23 | November 4, 2009 11:45 AM

To be fair psps23 and give credit where it's due, Zorn said he called that Davis TD play. But then again Zorn did call a zone stretch run out of the I formation out of his own endzone; so never mind with his praise heaping.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Even a blind squirrel, Twisi....

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Enough of this quarterback crap. They have big mouths and pivot off their immense egos. What I would like to see is a Redskins fullbacks and fake-GMs past and present event. Boy howdy would I like to see Riggo lay one into Vinny. Maybe open it up to offensive linemen past and present, and throw Geraldo Rivera there in the middle of a Joe Jacoby-Jeff Bostic/Mike Williams-Casey Rabach "conversation", for good measure.

Posted by: Meepo | November 4, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'll ammend my answer. It's Drew Brees until the Saints win it all this year. Then it will be Phillip Rivers for eternity.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"I suggest that you carry around a picture of a black women in your wallet."

This really works.

I used Michelle Obama's to get into the zoo.

Oooops!: wrong blog!

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I've found that the best reaction to being called a racisist is to list off all the black people that I know.

The second best is to let the accuser know that I once bought a Lionel Ritchie cassette.

If neither of those work, I can always pull out my Wayne Brady fan club membership card.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Who IMO the current crop of college QBs approximately resemble as pros:

Tim Tebow: Vince Young
Sam Bradford: Mark Sanchez
Colt McCoy: Aaron Rodgers
Jevan Snead: Brady Quinn
Jimmy Clausen: Eli Manning/ Drew Brees

In other words, no Carson Palmer, no Peyton Manning, no Jay Cutler, no Matthew Stafford, no Matt Leinart...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

And of course, no Jamarcus Russell, although we may never see his like again...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
again brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

This week's issue is one that I got a lot of heat for along the way. And I'll get heat again. Its ... Character ... and it matters.

A few quotes provide the perspective:

Zeke, before the season opener:
"if things go bad at some point, this isn't the character locker room of recent seasons. Zorn struggled with handling character issues last season, it might be tougher this year."

from the recent article by Sally Jenkins:
"Urgency, heart, 'want-to,' whatever," Haynesworth said after the Philly loss. "I don't know. We're lacking a lot of stuff right now." He made one valuable observation, however: "If we just keep going our separate ways, then we'll just keep getting slaughtered like we have." No need to read the implications in that statement. He said it flat-out: The Redskins are going their separate ways

from recent articles by Barry Svrluga
"The only mainstay from our opening day roster that's on that line is [center] Casey Rabach and [left guard] Derrick Dockery," Portis said. "That's it. Everybody else has been shuffled, moved, changed, or injured. . . . "That's just the position we [are] in. We got to address and get some depth. We went into the season, and we didn't address that issue, and it came back to haunt us."
&
The worries, for now, are contained to this season and the nine games remaining. "We need a break," Zorn said. "It could be splintered very easily."

from Tom Boswell on the philly game:
I thought that Zorn and the whole offense came as close to a complete give up as you'll see. They would barely talk to each other on the sideline, turned their eyes away from one another, looked lost, sad, disspirited. Of course, you can understand it. But it is still inexcusable. It was not an NFL effort. It was not a high school effort. It was group depression.


Character is what gets you from the tough times to better days. It is what makes a team better than the sum its parts. In DEBACLE '09 ®. this team has melted down, despite talent that far exceeded most of our opponents to date. Neither Zorn nor the front office inspire the players.

All in all, the formula for disaster was baked in at the start of the year. I'll take credit for forecasting that character issues could play a role in taking this team down. But ... I never believed the meltdown could be so horrid. I am shocked at what has happened so far in 2009.

That is it for this week's version of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

JReid is bringing his Cali-type vibe through here....I ain't feelin it, at all...

"I think Meidt deserves most of the credit for his key role in helping to get the plays picked quickly. If that hadn't happened, the system would have collapsed.

by: JReid
"

Ok.....Lewis gets no credit in this guys mine.....He has to find a reason to comlement his already exisiting theories..And JC17 is the next Montana.....We'll see what his next excuse will be when this team wins on Sunday...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"How is Fred Davis ALLOWED to have a giggling problem"

they should have cut his hand off for hitting the snooze button, and then ripped his vocal cords out for giggling...nice job attempting to make something out of nothing....

cork, I guess my point was that perhaps had JZ not ignored FDavis, we wouldn't be at the point where we are right now. Perhaps had he put him in games, he'd know he struggles to block.......the TE coach in my mind is the most culpable however, he oversees the TE's...he should have been working on this all along...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha-Ha, very "cute", MistaMoe.

You know, nothin' for nothin', but the more I read your post, the more I read that you're ashamed of something... What's up with all the anti-afrocentrism? Were you called the 'N' word as a child?

Were you a "Wannabe" or "Jigaboo"?

I bet you're familiar with names such as Oreo, Uncle Tom... Clarence Thomas and such as, aren't you?

I know countless black dudes that have some inferiority complex due to their skin tone or being associated with blacks, you read like one of them.

I'm not dissin', but it seems like you're constantly are, so I'm just trying to figure out why.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Who IMO the current crop of college QBs approximately resemble as pros:

Tim Tebow: Vince Young
Sam Bradford: Mark Sanchez
Colt McCoy: Aaron Rodgers
Jevan Snead: Brady Quinn
Jimmy Clausen: Eli Manning/ Drew Brees

In other words, no Carson Palmer, no Peyton Manning, no Jay Cutler, no Matthew Stafford, no Matt Leinart...


You rate top quarterbacks, condemn them, then rank Matt Stafford and Matt Leinhart as the ideal?

Pluuuueeezzzze

Check out Jake Locker--WASH Huskies before you go there.

And also, you failed to mention Chad Henne, fins, a guy who is going to play better the more he plays.

And until they get into the NFL, it's hard to really assess any of these guys.

Unless, of course, he's got the picture of a black woman in his wallet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"I bet you're familiar with names such as Oreo, Uncle Tom... Clarence Thomas and such as, aren't you?"


Actually, this happens a lot in this blog.

Trust me, bro', in real life, I'm black to the bone.

I still listen to Public Enemy and read "The Last Year of Malcolm X" to my 7 year old for fun.

So call me whatcha want.

But tomorrow, they'll call me the Yankees' fan.

And thus, by association, a champion.

'Cuz that's what's gonna happen tonite.

Unless, of course, Petey Martinez's jheri curl gets in the way.

GOOOOOOOOOOO YANNNKKKKKSSSS!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I've found that the best reaction to being called a racisist is to list off all the black people that I know.

The second best is to let the accuser know that I once bought a Lionel Ritchie cassette.

If neither of those work, I can always pull out my Wayne Brady fan club membership card.

Posted by: Original_etrod

The first action or thought always makes me laugh the most, either that or the the standard: "I have black friends, so how am I a racist?"

It's like saying: I have sex with women so how can I be a misogynist?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Red

And by the way, no matter what anyone says, Michelle Obama is a dog.

Put her picture alongside any fine 40 year old black woman--Angela Bassett or Vanessa Williams or even Whitney Houston, for instance--and you'll see what I mean.

Bow Wow is in the White House.

And I ain't talking about the rapper.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I've found that the best reaction to being called a racisist is to list off all the black people that I know.

The second best is to let the accuser know that I once bought a Lionel Ritchie cassette.

If neither of those work, I can always pull out my Wayne Brady fan club membership card.

Posted by: Original_etrod

The first action or thought always makes me laugh the most, either that or the the standard: "I have black friends, so how am I a racist?"

It's like saying: I have sex with women so how can I be a misogynist?

Posted by: RedDMV

See, I can tell I'm not racist because I know some people who have friends who are black.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I know countless black dudes that have some inferiority complex due to their skin tone or being associated with blacks, you read like one of them.

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Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 12:28 PM |

I love my skin tone....The ladies tell me I'm exotic.

And they like exotic.

Now I am married, and my skin color is irrelevant. My wife don't care what complextion my black-@$$ is, she still gonna cuss me out the same way.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey kedavis:
Sonny never had a defense worth a plug nickel. Fran Tarkenton said that if the Redskins had any kind of defense in 1968 and 1969, Sonny would have won 2 SB's. There is nothing wrong with having a strong opinion. The problem is when that is ALL you have.

Posted by: chopin224 | November 4, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I try to read as much of Clayton Bigsby's work to prove I am not a racist.

"if anyone's gonna have sex with my sister, it's gonna be *me*"

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 4, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, my wife is black, I dont somke and I also dont vote. It was in reference to his southern, cant throw to an open reciever retardation. But its good to know that the first thing someone would think about would be race, brownwood26 is Kevin Blackistone!

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 9:23 AM

"Well, my wife is black" haha what a defense.
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Defense for what? "Donny, you are out of your element, Dude (Brownwood) the Chinamen are not the F'n issue."

Dude was hinting that I was a racist cigar smoking republican, I defended myself. Again the one thing that everyone jumped on was the color issue, not the fact that I dont smoke or that I dont vote (which SHOULD be a bigger deal than color).

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't dissin', Moe. I really wasn't.

Like I said, I have a few friends that are ashamed of being a certain skin tone, mainly of the darker complexion.

Sometimes when reading your post it reminds me of Bernie Mac's character Officer Self Hatred in "Don't Be A Menace...": "You ain't so tough now, little ni**a. I hate your black bastards, you stink! I hate your black skin. I hate your black pants. I hate black pepper. I hate black keys on a piano. I hate my gums, because they're black. I hate Whoopi Goldberg's lips. I hate the back of Forrest Whittaker's neck. Huh? Most of all, I hate that black-ass Wesley Snipes."

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was a great QB, but like many of the greats, he expects lesser QBs to be able to do what he did. And they can't.

Jurgenson could operate by instinct because he had one of the best arms ever and could cover up his own mistakes in judgment, as Brett Favre has done, and Favre is the closest modern equivalent. Peyton Manning couldn't QB the way Favre or Jurgenson have, and neither can Jason Campbell or Joe Theismann.

Jurgenson thinks Unitas was the best QB ever, and Unitas never threw the ball as well as Sonny did. The Colts were also a deeper and more talented club (in relation to the rest of the league) than most current teams in the expanded NFL.

Sonny's nemesis was George Allen, who never trusted the offense and looked solely for somebody who wouldn't take risks. That turned out to be Kilmer. I think the pundits of the day were correct when they say that had Lombardi lived, the Skins would have won at least one NFL title with Jurgenson at QB. And possibly more.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 4, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Who IMO the current crop of college QBs approximately resemble as pros:

Tim Tebow: Vince Young
Sam Bradford: Mark Sanchez
Colt McCoy: Aaron Rodgers
Jevan Snead: Brady Quinn
Jimmy Clausen: Eli Manning/ Drew Brees

In other words, no Carson Palmer, no Peyton Manning, no Jay Cutler, no Matthew Stafford, no Matt Leinart...
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Jimmy Clausen won't start any where he's a step down from Brady Quinn, both are excellent back up QBs though. Tim Tebow is NOT and NFL QB, just doesn't have the mechanics or arm strength. Hell be playing another position, or perhaps getting the direct snap in some ones version of the Wildcat. He holds the ball below his waist before he throws and the out to the flat that he throws will be a pic 6 every time.

I think you're dead on with Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy though.

Posted by: clark202 | November 4, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about Chinese people! With their kung-fu and their silly ching-chang-chong talk! We can't understand you! Go back to yer country!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 4, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I DO have a mentally handicapped relative, and I have NO problem with Brownwood's mental capabilities.

He obviously took WAY too much time putting together a very logical and factual point that the intended hamster had no intention of reading or understanding.

I just love the posters up here who act like they have a Doctorate in Journalism and can pontificate over what a columnist should or should not do.

The very fact that that bothers you demonstrates your ignorance.

Columnists can write about whatever the heck they want, in what ever way they want.

Art Buchwald was one of the premier political satrists of the '60's and '70's and many of his columns had no mooring in facts; they used fantasy situations to make a point about whatever was going on. And they were entertaining, too.

If you don't like Ms. Jenkins, I'd suggest not reading her.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0538689/quotes

I miss the Chappelle Show.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 4, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I've watched 4 complete Falcons games this season.

Their secondary BLOWS.

Can the Redskins take advantage of that?

Let's hope so.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 4, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Samson151, very good comments on Sonny. What is missing is that Sonny became a much better QB from the year he played under Lombardi.

Sonny was a very good QB with an amazing arm before Lombardi came to DC But from the season he spent with Lombardi onwards, Sonny was brilliant -- and as good as anyone -- ever. Problem was, he was also late in his career and spent much of his last years injured.

The point? Coaching matters.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

did Sonny say he misses the days when a pitcher of beer was $2 at the Dancing Crab?

Posted by: TheDubb | November 4, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The point? Coaching matters.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Point taken, but how many coaches are even worth mentioning in the same breath as Lombardi?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 4, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think Michelle is a beauty queen by any stretch, but she has her moments where she at least looks f-able.

Name me at least two first ladies you can say that about? Hell, give me one...

4th, nobody don't care about what your skin tone is, ol' Hall of Fame bust lookin' bama!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 4, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Clayton Bigsby eats scrapple

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

21, the problem with that logic is that John Abraham presents a huge problem for the Redskins offensive line. I think they could take advantage of their lousy secondary with Sherm helping out with the game planning/play calling, but they've gotta get these guys blocked up front in order to do so....not sure with Heyer being gimpy going into the game that this is possible....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that because the Redskins suck so bad no one wants to talk about football anymore.

I for one was relieved that there was no depressing game to watch this past weekend.

If only the Redskins were mediocre and/or competitive so we could talk about actual football instead of blathering on about racism, politics, and journalistic standards.

Call me crazy, but I expect the Redskins to actually compete with the Falcons this weekend. Whether or not they can actually pull off a victory is proabably wishful thinking.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | November 4, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I used Michelle Obama's to get into the zoo.

Oooops!: wrong blog!

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 12:05 PM

I like non-PC comedy as much as the next guy, but this strongly hints you are a racist pig and an imbecile. And a Republican! Who could have guessed?

Not that all Republicans are racist pig imbeciles....

Back to the joy of Redskin football...

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If you don't like Ms. Jenkins, I'd suggest not reading her.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:06 PM |
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Although this wasn't directed my way, I want to add that I have NOT read Jenkins since last year.

Like Feinstein, she only pops up when she has something negative to exploit re the Skins.

If she and Feinstein also wrote columns re the Skins that balanced out their fang job pieces, I'd give them more credibility.

In talking to a film critic friend of mine, he confided that the easiest reviews to write are of bad films; good films, on the other hand, need a more measured approach - you want to give credit, but you don't want to appear to gush either.

But with the bad films, you just let it rip and cut into it like a juicy steak.

That's what Jenkins (and those like her) career is based on.

I find it lazy and predictable.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 4, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

well, not that I agreed with much of what her husband was up to, but Laura Bush does seem to be hot in a "girl who wears glasses" kind of way

And what about Jackie Kennedy? (In her day, of course)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

.not sure with Heyer being gimpy going into the game that this is possible....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Heyer HEALTHY is no day at the beach, either....

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Granted I don't recall what kind of QB Fouts was, but I would think it would be either Favre, Manning (Peyton), or McNabb

Posted by: Veretax | November 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

And what about Jackie Kennedy? (In her day, of course)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I second this.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 4, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Columnists can write about whatever the heck they want, in what ever way they want.

If you don't like Ms. Jenkins, I'd suggest not reading her.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse


Well I guess the columnists rule with an iron fist and I'm supposed to like it?

The public also has a right to formulate an opinion about the columnist's writing in whatever way they want.

And I usually don't read Ms. Jenkins. Every now and again I give one of her columns a shot to see if her schtick has changed...but it never does...

Posted by: p1funk | November 4, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

F-U Red! You Black Napolian Bama!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Exactly on point P1; exactly. Columnists don't rule with an iron fist, exactly, but there opinion is what you're going to see.

I just have an issue with a "columnist should do this; JaLaC should do that with the blog, they are not practicing good journalism"

Bull Hockey to all of that.

If you don't like what they write, fine. But it bugs me to no end to read that what they are doing isn't good journalism. They probably wouldn't be writing for the Post if they didn't at least have that going for them.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 4, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

NFL Networks is reporting that the Redskins have reached an agreement on a 3-year extension for Vinnie Cerrato. Press conference scheduled for Thursday at 6:00 PM @ Redskins Park.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 4, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

cork, would you have objected so much if the butt of that joke had the last name of Bush?? hmmmmmmmm....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Unlike some of the local columnists who appear a little intimidated by potential censorship from the Redskins (Dan Steinberg being the exception), Sally Jenkins calls it objectively and is very consistent with the observations from the national media who cover football.

Snyder has ruined what used to be a highly respected franchise in much the same way as Al Davis has destroyed the Raiders in the last 20 years. An apology at this point is acutally an insult to fans. He needed to say that he was accountable and would take steps to address the numerous issues both on and off the field. At no point did Snyder ever acknowledge his role as the leader of the franchise...

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 4, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I've watched 4 complete Falcons games this season.

Their secondary BLOWS.

Can the Redskins take advantage of that?

Let's hope so.

Posted by: MrRedskin21
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Oh, they can def take care of that. After JC gets done throwing a few interceptions their way everyone will say the Falcons secondary isn't that bad after all.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerratos wives vagines hang like sleeve of wizard.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 4, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope JC cant endure anymore. He needs to get back to his real job on his Shrimp Boat, Forrest is running into a piers.

Posted by: murphyz | November 4, 2009 9:07 AM

JC doesn't really remind me of Bubba from Forrest Gump, but if he were to work on a shrimp boat...he'd suggest the nets he was forced to work with weren't really good enough to catch shrimp, remind everyone that he'd had too many shrimping systems to learn over the course of his career, and sulk that Forrest would really rather be shrimping with Lieutennant Dan anyway.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

"I like non-PC comedy as much as the next guy, but this strongly hints you are a racist pig and an imbecile."


Thanks, Cork.

And when you pull my cork out our azz, you'll see this pig's scrapple is all the sausage you'll ever need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

from the Times:

Antwaan Randle El was informed of the Redskins' punt return by committee plan from the media. He wasn't happy about the expected demotion.

"Not at all," he said. "I haven't been productive, haven’t been [as productive as] what I expected."

Santana Moss and DeAngelo Hall are expected to be involved in the punt returns.

* Tight end Chris Cooley said he hopes to play again this year but is still getting around on crutches eight days after surgery to insert three screws for a broken right ankle.

"The tough decision ends up being on our organization in the next couple weeks of keeping a spot for me over that amount of time and taking the risk of whether I’ll be able to play or not," Cooley said. "If my ankle feels good, I’m going to play. It doesn’t matter what we’re doing as far as the team."

* Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth did a rare group interview with several print reporters.

"We have to do something here," he said. "The losses are starting to pile up and if we get a few more, we can count ourselves out of the playoffs."

* Linebacker Robert Henson is looking forward to his regular season debut. He's on the kickoff coverage team.

"It’s been an adjustment [not playing] but if anything it’s helped because I’m seeing the game from a different perspective," Henson said. "You take football for granted until you’re sitting on the sideline."

* H.B. Blades and Byron Westbrook both are out for Sunday's game -- they sustained knee injuries on the same special teams snap. Westbrook said he expects to play against Denver.

*Quarterback Jason Campbell said his injured ankle is coming along. He was hurt early in the Eagles game, which prevented him from scrambling with any effectiveness.

"It’s better," he said. "We're still working on it. For the most part, it’s a lot better than it was a week ago."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about anyone else but haven't we had enough of the sleazy, no talent, second rate network game show host, greasy, mindless, blindingly optimistic garbage spewing moron also known as Larry Michael. Good gravy that 30 minute daily infomercial is terrible. Are all those folks soulless robots? Please bring back Frank Herzog. Larry Michael is the equivalant of a dirtball used car salesman.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 4, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"They can switch play-callers without it ever being released. A lot of coaches do that," Jurgensen said. "Joe Gibbs did it with Jack Burns. A lot of coaches do it. Andy Reid has done it. That could've been handled it and nobody would've known a thing about the plays except for Jason."

True, the Skins didn't need to tell anyone they were changing playcallers, but the point of announcing it to the world was to humiliate Jim Zorn so he'd resign.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 4, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

red

"Sometimes when reading your post it reminds me of Bernie Mac's character Officer Self Hatred in "Don't Be A Menace..."


Self Hate a funny thing.

The same black folk who are into finding 'Self Hate' spend their time laughing at comedians, movies, and music where other black folks are made out to be clowns/ministrels all in the name of 'keeping it real'.

I find that self hateful.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Play calling is over rated"?

Guess that's why you call a stretch play in your own end zone?

Or have a call for a fade route to a 5'10 receiver with a QB that is not accurate.


No, I get it, call a reverse right after you called a run play...


Yeah, it is over rated...

JZ is a nice guy and all but he is a horrible head coach. You play the worst ranked defense at home and you manage 2 FGs... yeah, play calling is over rated.

Posted by: samiismoni14 | November 4, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Antwaan Randle El was informed of the Redskins' punt return by committee plan from the media. He wasn't happy about the expected demotion.

Not at all," he said. "I haven't been productive, haven’t been [as productive as] what I expected."

Santana Moss and DeAngelo Hall are expected to be involved in the punt returns

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2009 1:43 PM

Has anyone noticed that, while building a case against ARE continuing to return punts, people list the crazy play against the Panthers as one of his mistakes? A diminishing agerage per return, east/west tendencies over north/south, the near muff against KC, and the total momentum killer against the Beagles....sure. All on him. But the play against the Panthers?! Is there ANY way ARE could've caught that ball?
I don't know if ARE is the right guy or not,(I certainly don't want to see the offense try to operate without Moss b/c he got hurt returning a punt)but at least don't blame him for a muff on that crazy play. Generally, he has taken care of the ball and, while not the dynamic player I remember him being as a Steeler, I don't see him picking the wrong lane or missing big chances for returns. Usually seems like there is nothing there.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To continue on the same subject, I am a racist. In fact in June I went to a Nascar race at Dover De. as I do every year.There were 3 of us, 2 black guys and one white dude which was me. It was not a great race. Just remember being a racist can get you in trouble. Look what happened to Ryan Newman at Talladega last weekend.

Posted by: chopin224 | November 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The offense has been nothing special operating with Moss. Moss should be returning punts.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

* Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth did a rare group interview with several print reporters.

"We have to do something here," he said. "The losses are starting to pile up and if we get a few more, we can count ourselves out of the playoffs."

Newsflash Albert: You are not going to the playoffs. The Oline sucks(through no fault of their own), the QB is skittish and does not possess the mental traits required of the position, the head coach has no idea how to manage and call a game and SUBTRACTS from the QB's ability to overcome his deficiencies.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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