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Redskins reach out to Haiti

The Redskins are taking steps to help victims of the devastating earthquake in Haiti, using the private plane of owner Daniel Snyder to help fly medical supplies, personnel and clothing to the impoverished nation.

The franchise announced Friday morning that it is partnering with Diageo -- the beverage company with which the team has a long-standing business relationship -- to send aid. Diageo has a "Spirit of the Americas Humanitarian Aid Program" designed to help in such situations.

"We're not a relief organization, but there are times when our resources allow us to step in and make a difference, if only a small one," Snyder said in a statement released by the team.

"Diageo has been involved in relief efforts around the world for many years, and we're fortunate to be able to partner with them. Getting the right people and supplies to Haiti is critically important, and we're providing our best resources."

Diageo is organizing a cargo plane to carry roughly 50,000 pounds of medical and emergency food supplies from Miami to Haiti on Friday. The company has a disaster team that will accompany that flight, and members of that team will also be on Snyder's plane.

The operations are being coordinated through the Bridge Foundation (www.bridgefoundation.net), which has provided emergency aid to several countries after natural disasters.

By Barry Svrluga  |  January 15, 2010; 10:30 AM ET
 
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WAY TO GO SNYDER AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION!!

Posted by: wattsicon | January 15, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

They should send our larger players to help move rubble. Off season workout starts now.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It's easy to be cynical, but one has to commend the Redskin organization for this effort. Way to go, great job.

Posted by: I_like_futbol_n_fubball | January 15, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Just as I finish calling the team a fascist organization.
Egg-Face

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

'And I'm supposed to be absorbed in myself? Anytime there's a tradegy I'm the first one to help.'

Way to go Snyder.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 15, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I love this everyone pray for the people it Haiti

Posted by: skin4lfe22 | January 15, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I will say this, if the high estimates of the death toll are true Haiti is looking at what may be the largest scale single incident catastrophe in recorded history.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I will say this, if the high estimates of the death toll are true Haiti is looking at what may be the largest scale single incident catastrophe in recorded history.

Posted by: alex35332

Except for when that meteor destroyed the dinosaurs, let's not minimize that.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

good for Snyder, and the team...

allright you bama's I'm out, taking the kids to Disney, talk in a week...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 15, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Actually Wiki has a list of the worst natural disasters in recorded history. This will not be the worst but it will be a top 10. Worst is a flood that hit china that killed between 1-4 million (big gap there).

So forget prayer, donate.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Tragedies do often bring out the best we humans can offer. I do wish it didn't require a tragedy though.

Has DS flown in relief to Somalia? Darfur? Appalachia even? What of their relatively rich neighbors, Dominican Republic? How much are they helping?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think it is great the Redskins are able to do this. The devastation in Haiti is just horrific.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

good for Snyder, and the team...

allright you bama's I'm out, taking the kids to Disney, talk in a week...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 15, 2010 10:48 AM
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Enjoy, Bean. By the way, while you were out PFT reported...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Send Meagan Fox. She's probably got a lot of leverage with those thumbs, could pry some people out of jams.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm finally proud to be a Redskin fan. Smoke--2010.

I'm finally proud to be an American. Michelle Obama--2009

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Meagan, don't listen to REXskins...he is jealous that your thumbs are more manly than his. More manly than mine too, for that matter.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 15, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Good for Dan and the Redskins org.

RE: worst natural disasters. It's crazy that entire list is made up of countries in Asia.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 15, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

good for Snyder, and the team...

allright you bama's I'm out, taking the kids to Disney, talk in a week...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 15, 2010 10:48 AM |

Greg take my family there every year hit a resturant called Bahama Breeze great food.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

ASIA greatest disasters probably due to population density. God help the people of HAITI, and those who go there for non-political reasons.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I'll be down there in 2weeks.....let me know how the weather is acting....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Just saw "The A-Team" trailer for the first time...I'm completely appalled that Liam f-ing Neeson is playing Hannibal Smith. Congress should intervene on this sh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Way to go Snyder & the Skins, keep up the good work. Prayers go out the people of Haiti stay strong. Proud to be a Skins fan, peace to all....

Posted by: dsquare | January 15, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Except for when that meteor destroyed the dinosaurs, let's not minimize that.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse
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Understanding your handle contains REX, I'm sure you are glad you don't have to check both ways for the real thing when you poke your head out your front door.

I'm gonna check that one up in the 'dumb luck' column

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Ha. Something we can all agree on. Good show Danny.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yo...what happened on that Sleepy Davis Post??

I thought I jumped into a Chris Cizzala Blog...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Just saw "The A-Team" trailer for the first time...I'm completely appalled that Liam f-ing Neeson is playing Hannibal Smith. Congress should intervene on this sh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:05 AM
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Liam Neeson? Jack Nicholson would have been primo - but probably too low art for him...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

good for Snyder, and the team...

allright you bama's I'm out, taking the kids to Disney, talk in a week...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Bring back some mickey ears for ya boy...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I thought about using a rubber but I said "Hey, how often am I in Haiti"...


I sent in my donation to the Red Cross...


How about you...

Posted by: WRBD | January 15, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Just to end this serious talk of climate etc...

We have about 150 years of reliable climate data. For a planet that has been around for 4.5 billion years old. The issue is that 'experts' use absolutes, like 'it is changing' etc..

Either way, all is motivated by something other than the real issue of preserving earth.

If we could just all stop arguing and agree it might be a good time, since we have the ability to now, curb adding anything to the atmosphere etc... for the good of the planet. Using tech and science, lessen the use of fossil fuels, emissions etc...

But doomsday theories always polarize the other end to fight against, putting us in a never ending circle jerk.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

There are so many things wrong with the A Team movie. Expect it to be about the equivalent of GI-Joe

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Has DS flown in relief to Somalia? Darfur? Appalachia even? What of their relatively rich neighbors, Dominican Republic? How much are they helping?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan


It is my understanding that they hate each other. Beefs spans back hundreds of years...

Interesting story on how exactly Haiti came about.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This makes no sense to me. This can't end well.

Cutler meeting with offensive coordinator candidates
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 15, 2010 11:15 AM ET
J.Cutler.jpgWith Pete Carroll involved in G.M. interviews, it's fair to wonder if he's the one voice that matters in Seattle.

A similar dynamic may be playing out in Chicago, but the voice belongs to a player.

Bears G.M. Jerry Angelo confirmed that Jay Cutler is a key part of the interview process as the Bears search for an offensive coordinator.

"We've involved Jay, and we'd like to have him meet with [all] the candidates," Angelo said. "He understands the whole process, and he knows we want him involved. This is not the first time we've involved a player. This isn't new to us."

Cutler flew in town to meet with Ken Zampese and is expected to offer his thoughts on other candidates. Cutler was reportedly disappointed the team couldn't snare his old coach Jeremy Bates.

We've got mixed feelings here. The ability to work with Cutler and play to his strengths is one of the biggest components of the Bears job.

But if Cutler truly has sway in who gets the gig, it sounds like the inmates are running the asylum.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Liam Neeson? Jack Nicholson would have been primo - but probably too low art for him...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:22 AM


Good call if it's Jack in the late 80s/early 90s, but he's a bit old for the role now. I would have gone with either Bruce Willis or Sam Elliott, personally.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins will be responding with an article about how Dan Snyder didn't stop the earthquake from happening.

-Hope L.A. is prepared for something like this.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 15, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

But if Cutler truly has sway in who gets the gig, it sounds like the inmates are running the asylum.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


Ha!

Sounds like the Bears are going to be this decade's version of the Redskins...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Haiti is depressingly poor. It's a wonder they've survived this long aside form the diseases that plague the country.

Haitian Deforestation:

http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a002600/a002640/haiti_still_web.jpg

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Climate. Hurmph. When the sun, the wind, the tides, and the waves are giving it away for free, doesn't that seem more efficent than fossil fuel and the OTHER messes created by relying on it (other than the CO2 byproduct of combustion)? Just like Japan figured out efficiencies (and hence more profit, and then more market share), seems like the genius CEOs and COOs and CFOs who run the big shows in this country are always just playing catch up.

Back to football ... is there anything to discuss? Fred Davis apparently said something in the previous thread, but I'm too lazy to click it. What did he say?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

But if Cutler truly has sway in who gets the gig, it sounds like the inmates are running the asylum.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 11:29 AM
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Sounds like CP here in our own backyard, but the CP - DS relationship was never quite that blatant. How do you build the concept of "team" and "no one bigger than the team" when the QB had a hand in picking the guy who does the hiring and firing?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, I thank the sweet baby Jesus every day we didn't end up with that guy. F Cutler and F the Bears for deifying a guy who threw 26 picks last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

allright you bama's I'm out, taking the kids to Disney, talk in a week...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Doesn't that trip take you awfully close to Alabama??

Maybe you can finally do some first-hand research...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Interesting story on how exactly Haiti came about.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


The Pat Robertson version of the story is better.

I like Rampage Jackson as BA. I'd have gone with Common or Ice Cube but Rampage is good, provided he can play the part of an angry black man.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Good to see Snyder helping out. Maybe he can send them the flat screens like he offered to Coles.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, I thank the sweet baby Jesus every day we didn't end up with that guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report


Considering we ended up landing Shanahan, I actually kind of wish we did get him...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hope L.A. is prepared for something like this.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 15, 2010 11:33 AM

The next big one is going to hit Memphis, not Los Angeles, and its going to be a lot more devastating to the economy (by reversing the flow of the Mississippi).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Liam Neeson? Jack Nicholson would have been primo - but probably too low art for him...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:22 AM

Good call if it's Jack in the late 80s/early 90s, but he's a bit old for the role now. I would have gone with either Bruce Willis or Sam Elliott, personally.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:32 AM
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I could see Willis, but not Elliott. It's got to be someone who looks like they are capable of ripping some butt. Who else is in it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

There are so many things wrong with the A Team movie. Expect it to be about the equivalent of GI-Joe
Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 11:28 AM

Will they actually, you know, kill anyone? Or will they just shoot around the bad guy’s cars so they blow out a tire and jump the car into a half roll over a downed tree and are able to walk away from the “battle” okay?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 15, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

... Sounds like CP here in our own backyard, but the CP - DS relationship was never quite that blatant. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM

As goes Sherman Smith, so went Jim Mora Jr. in Atlanta. Arthur Blank was in love with Michael Vick. Clinton Portis is a coordinator killer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The Pat Robertson version of the story is better.


Posted by: Original_etrod | January 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

LOL.

He is a goldmine for off-the-wall theories.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 15, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm just happy that Owen/Luke Wilson, Will Ferrell and Ben Stiller won't be in it.

My boy Danny McBride would make a good Murdock, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 15, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Necessity, the mother of all invention.

After reading the myriad comments on both threads today, it seems as thougth this applies to climate change, the disaster in Haiti, the Redskins FO, Cutler's involvement in the selection of a new coach, but...

I can't make a connection with the A-Team or Megan's thumb...

Posted by: BigE44 | January 15, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

... Sounds like CP here in our own backyard, but the CP - DS relationship was never quite that blatant. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM

As goes Sherman Smith, so went Jim Mora Jr. in Atlanta. Arthur Blank was in love with Michael Vick. Clinton Portis is a coordinator killer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:40 AM
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If Shanahan wants to keep Portis around, he is going to have to break the Portis/Snyder connection. I think Shanahan threw down the gauntlet as far as offseason work, and that might have been the first nail in Clinton's coffin.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I like Rampage Jackson as BA. I'd have gone with Common or Ice Cube but Rampage is good, provided he can play the part of an angry black man.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 15, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse


There is only one BA...and he still lives...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

There are so many things wrong with the A Team movie. Expect it to be about the equivalent of GI-Joe
Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 11:28 AM

I wouldn't quite say it's wrong. I think if you go back and watch some of the old GIJoe stuff and the old A-Team you will realize how truly awful they were.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And is it going to be the super cool A-Team that are a bunch of renegades that escaped custody, or the A-team that jumped the shark and works for the government now?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 15, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Considering we ended up landing Shanahan, I actually kind of wish we did get him...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:38 AM


While I could see Cutler working BETTER with Shanny here, I'd rather start fresh with a young guy. Working with Shanny doesn't remove his interception habit or his sh*tty leadership style. Plus the JC haters who like to call him a "loser" need only compare their respective W/L records coming into the '09 season:

Cutler: 17-20
Campbell: 16-20

Friends don't let friends start Cutler.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

never ending circle jerk
Posted by: Zeebs | January 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse
I like that, Zeebs. That's a better description of my "political spectrum is a circle" theory!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

There is only one BA...and he still lives...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:44 AM

When that happens, the actor usually gets a cameo (or role) playing the actor himself, i.e., Mr. T.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Great job, Snyder and skins! Way to go Diageo!

Posted by: postwell1 | January 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I could see Willis, but not Elliott. It's got to be someone who looks like they are capable of ripping some butt. Who else is in it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 11:39 AM


Rampage Jackson as B.A., Bradley Cooper as Faceman, and Sharlto Copley as Murdoch. Here's a link to the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjTnYCcqVE

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse


TWISI, I thank the sweet baby Jesus every day we didn't end up with that guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report


Considering we ended up landing Shanahan, I actually kind of wish we did get him...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No way. I agree with brownie. Cutler is an immature spoiled self-centered brat. I'll take Shanny and our own JC any day.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis apparently said something in the previous thread, but I'm too lazy to click it. What did he say?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 11:34 AM

He just spoke with Shanny yesterday and he (Shanny) is busy. He's excited what he and coooley can do in this offense. Lane Kiffin recruited him to USC and he thinks he'll do a good job.

Maske said that Shanny will run the ball here no matter what. And do it well. That's what history shows him.

Kelli J said some coaches are in Limbo and alot can be tied to the fact that Kyle won't be coming to town until Friday.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Saw people were talking about Harrison last post. This is the GQ article. Crazy story surrounding the people involved and Harrison's personal family history. Long read but def interesting.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201002/marvin-harrison

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 15, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

After the past-season Danny Boy is figuring he's now a specialist in dealing with disasters.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 15, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

After the past-season Danny Boy is figuring he's now a specialist in dealing with disasters.
Posted by: Vic1 | January 15, 2010 12:01 PM

Plus he can get rid of the rest of the Jason Taylor jerseys and use it as a write-off……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 15, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff!

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | January 15, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is a little more detail on the Skins coaching changes that are done and to come... Courtesy of NFL.com (JLC)

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/14/shanahan-still-shaping-redskins-coaching-staff/

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I can't make a connection with the A-Team or Megan's thumb...

Posted by: BigE44 | January 15, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Megan Fox can easily be explained. Hot chicks are always relevant. I honestly don't give a crap about her thumb. I wouldn't be doin her thumb like some of you perverted Bamas.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

fredifritz

"...Cutler is an immature spoiled self-centered brat. I'll take Shanny and our own JC any day..."

Agreed.

Thing is, if I'm Mike Shanahan, do I teach Campbell my system with my terminology or do I change my terminology to fit what he already knows?

This method usually simplifies learning a new offense and allows the coordinator to add new concepts in a verbal frame the players are already familiar with.

After all, Shanny's base system when he left Denver was the WCO he learned in San Fran: it's probably easier for him to learn what they know than the other way around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The political spectrum is not a circle. it is a 3D grid with no real end point on any arm.
X axis- Social liberties, (conservative to liberal)
y axis- economic values (pure capitalism to pure communism)
z axis- tolerance of others (from absolute fascism to absolute freedom)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 15, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, if I'm Mike Shanahan, do I teach Campbell my system with my terminology or do I change my terminology to fit what he already knows?

This method usually simplifies learning a new offense and allows the coordinator to add new concepts in a verbal frame the players are already familiar with.

After all, Shanny's base system when he left Denver was the WCO he learned in San Fran: it's probably easier for him to learn what they know than the other way around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Moe. But we also need to factor in Kyle/Houston terminology. Could get complicated. Perhaps, everyone starts from scratch with terminology that fits the new offense, which will be a conglomeration of what has worked in the different systems.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Good job guys. What a disaster.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

After all, Shanny's base system when he left Denver was the WCO he learned in San Fran: it's probably easier for him to learn what they know than the other way around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but here's the kicker. Jim Zorn worked under Mike Holmgren who in turn worked under Bill Walsh in San Francisco and under George Seifert. Shanahan succeded Holmgren under Seifert who married Kevin Bacon. So the question is how different is the terminology between them? Seifert was the defensive coordinator so did he really change much of Bill Walsh's offense? I doubt it. The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is an immature spoiled self-centered brat.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 11:52 AM

With the benefit of hindsight, I agree, but for the purpose of playing Devil's Advocate:

1. So is Tom Brady
2. We only know Cutler to be a self-centered brat (a) he got orphaned from Shanahan and (b) ended up with Chicago's receivers behind their line (who had the collective talent of the Skins' line without the heart).
3. He was awesome in Denver before Shanahan left (I picked him as my fantasy backup QB that year and he quickly replaced my starter, Warner).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

After all, Shanny's base system when he left Denver was the WCO he learned in San Fran: it's probably easier for him to learn what they know than the other way around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but here's the kicker. Jim Zorn worked under Mike Holmgren who in turn worked under Bill Walsh in San Francisco and under George Seifert. Shanahan succeded Holmgren under Seifert who married Kevin Bacon. So the question is how different is the terminology between them? Seifert was the defensive coordinator so did he really change much of Bill Walsh's offense? I doubt it. The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:26 PM
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Maybe Shanny blows up his playbook and decides to create a whole new playbook based on the talent that he has. Not familiar with what they ran in Denver, but did they have any two tightend formations? Shanny is definitely going to want to roll those plays that come from two tight end formations into whatever playbook he makes. I would imagine if they keep Sellers, they will need to modify the use of the fullback, since Sellers is more like a tightend than the fullbacks they use in other ECO's. It should be interesting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Considering we ended up landing Shanahan, I actually kind of wish we did get him...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No way. I agree with brownie. Cutler is an immature spoiled self-centered brat. I'll take Shanny and our own JC any day.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse


I understand and empathize, which is why I carefully qualified my wish with a "kind of" strategically placed before it.

It would be sort of nice to know that our QB position was taken care of by a young strong-armed guy surrounded by a staff and coach who know how to develop him and whom he respects in return.

Remember, it was only after JCut was pulled out from under Shanny's tutelage that all his drama came spilling out. But clearly under the right circumstances he's a talent worth developing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

No way does Portis come back successfully. Running back years are like dog years, which makes Clinton like 196.

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

... The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think. ...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:26 PM

Maybe Campbell could even participate in the design of the offense he's going to be expected to run. That might help b/c he's watch a ton of film of himself, plus his receivers, and he knows who's good at what and what to avoid.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Not familiar with what they ran in Denver, but did they have any two tightend formations?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes. The year after Shanny got fired, I recall that Denver team getting pretty productive seasons from both Tony Scheffler and Daniel Graham.

We also recall how Shannon Sharpe blew it up in Denver.

The man knows tight ends. The man likes tight ends. The more tight ends, the merrier.

(...don't interpret that last paragraph in a homo-erotic fashion...)

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

... The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think. ...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:26 PM


Sure. Why be mediocre in only one offense, when you could be mediocre in many? At least you're versatile.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Which leads to the question: If Clinton were a dog, what breed would he be?

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

No way does Portis come back successfully. Running back years are like dog years, which makes Clinton like 196.

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse


It depends on what you define as "successfully".

Right now, I think "successful" would be about 700 yards in a RB platoon. He rediscovers his nose for the goal-line/short-yardage situations and knocks on the door of 10TDs. He maintains his reliability as a solid blocking back.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Several years ago, I proposed something that would have helped the people of Haiti tremendously. I've written my politicians, but you know how that goes.

The idea is this. Create a fleet of aircraft carriers that have been tasked solely for the purpose of disaster relief.

These would be essentially mobile cities. Instead of fighters, the decks would have helicopters which can move people and supplies even if ports are damaged or airports are not functional.

There would be medical teams on board, some that would be dedicated to going to the disaster, others that would stay on ship for more difficult medical cases.

On board would be supplies, water, food, etc. They would carry search and rescue teams. Teams would be dedicated to clearing roads, putting portable energy supplies in place, temporary housing (tents and cots).

An aircraft carrier can carry roughly 5,000 people, huge amounts of supplies and importantly, they create their own drinking water from sea water.

These carriers would be paid for by nations from around the world, staffed by people from around the world. Truly an international operation.

The real key is that these carriers can cover long distances in relatively short tine frames. A carrier that was in Virgina could have been in Haiti in a day. Another based in Brazil could have been there in a day. That would be 10,000 'boots on the ground', organized and dedicated to immediate relief.

Tragedies happen. They time, place and form may not be predictable, but the reality is that getting.

If you like this idea, feel free to add your voice to it.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The man knows tight ends. The man likes tight ends. The more tight ends, the merrier.

(...don't interpret that last paragraph in a homo-erotic fashion...)


Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:35 PM |

Why must tight ends be men?

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Which leads to the question: If Clinton were a dog, what breed would he be?

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:37 PM |

A shih-tzu.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The more tight ends, the merrier.*

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:35 PM

Seems like the past couple of years, and way way more than before, the NFL rules and defenses have become friendlier to the TE position ... and I suspect it has to do with defensive ends getting lighter and faster at rushing the passer. The center, esp. in the short to intermediate range, always seems to be unoccupied and the area the covers the outer boundaries of everyone in the secondary's coverage, but no one's in particular. Plus, I think people like Kellen Winslow (Sr.) up through Gonzalez have really opened offensive coordinators to the possibilities of the TE as a receiver. Combined with Gibbs' experiment (now essentially done I think) with the H-back position, the two TE-as-receiver set should be about ripe for taking off. Finally, no one around the league has really noticed the possibilities of Todd Yoder, the invisible touch down machine.

*same caveat as above

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The man knows tight ends. The man likes tight ends. The more tight ends, the merrier.

(...don't interpret that last paragraph in a homo-erotic fashion...)


Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:35 PM |

Why must tight ends be men?

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Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You are interpreting it in a homo-erotic fashion...told ya...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

zz, aircraft carriers are essentially mobile cities and they already carry most of the things you speak of. (although I'm sure you mean only those things specifically)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

You are interpreting it in a homo-erotic fashion...told ya...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:44 PM |

You inferred it buddy, I wasn't until your parenthetical statement.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,
I'll let you slide on the tight end comment. I'm tired of bashing for the day.

I hope he develops a ton of plays using both Cooley and Davis because I perceive this as a real strength in the passing attack. He's going to have to show his hand on this pretty soon. If he wants to add Scheffler to the mix, then I think that will mean he's thinking about two tight end formations. Not sure how Sellers will fit into this.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Which leads to the question: If Clinton were a dog, what breed would he be?

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:37 PM |

A shih-tzu.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse


What do you get when you breed a bulldog with a shih-tzu?

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

You are interpreting it in a homo-erotic fashion...told ya...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:44 PM |

You inferred it buddy, I wasn't until your parenthetical statement.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse


I said specifically NOT to interpret it that way...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, that's what Mercy Ships are, except that they have shallower draughts than aircraft carriers, which require deeper ports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_Ships

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the past couple of years, and way way more than before, the NFL rules and defenses have become friendlier to the TE position ... and I suspect it has to do with defensive ends getting lighter and faster at rushing the passer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


I think it also has to do with stricter pass interference/defensive holding in the secondary calls.

If you can grab/clutch tight ends, they're easier to cover b/c they generally aren't known for their quickness.

If you aren't allowed to manhandle them, they can use their bodies to post up smaller guys in the secondary.


Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What do you get when you breed a bulldog with a shih-tzu?

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM

A Portalia

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

P funk, I think that would be ideal, but I'm skeptical. The jury is still out on the head injury, which is no small thing.

BTW, I'm going with overweight Coon Hound on the breed thing. (No racism intended). It's that whole goofy face thing.

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think."


The operative point is if Shanny even wants JC around: I would even if it was to hold things togher while my drafted rookie learned the NFL game.

The instructive point about Jake Plummer is that Shanny went 13-3 with an imperfect quarterback who Campbell, for all his faults, is better than.

Again: we said before the maturation of Jason Campbell is the most important matter for the team.

Now, it'll either be as trading chip, tackling dummy, or starting quarterback.

Either way, whatever becomes of him will be an important matter to the future direction of the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to bet that the guys who are hung up on Megan Fox's thumb don't even have GFs or prospects.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 15, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

zz, aircraft carriers are essentially mobile cities and they already carry most of the things you speak of. (although I'm sure you mean only those things specifically)

Posted by: scampbell1975

Exactly. Obviously, aircraft carriers are tasked for military purposes, not disaster relief. Disasters have much in common with each other. Medical needs, road clearing, shelter, drinking water, sanitation, security, organization, assessments. Task a 5,000 person operation in the form of a carrier and you can get fast and coordinated relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Let's get that cookie and cracker banter going again.

I'll start...

That's right, I'm a muthafuggin saltine beeyotch!

Posted by: stevek20147 | January 15, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Texans offensive assistant Matt LaFleur is interviewing for a job with the Washington Redskins.

LaFleur spent his two seasons with the Texans assisting with the receivers in 2008 and the quarterbacks in 2009.

LaFleur, 29, worked closely with former offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who resigned to accept the same position with his father, new Redskins coach Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This is an odd post?? PA.. I dont get it??

"he's...run out of new offenses to learn . so it makes him a better fit"?
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... The only plus side to JC learning so many offenses is that he's bound to run out of new offenses to learn. He may be a much better fit for this then we think. ...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 12:26 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, that's what Mercy Ships are, except that they have shallower draughts than aircraft carriers, which require deeper ports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy_Ships

Posted by: dcsween

Sort of. Mercy ships aren't dedicated to disaster relief. Disasters have distinct problems. In Haiti, I heard that the port was damaged so ships couldn't dock. Helicopters can go to where the need is, as long as the disaster isn't above 8,000 feet in elevation.

In recent years, we've seen massive disasters in Katrina, the Asian tsunami, Myanmar and Haiti. They happen. We can do something to address disasters better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Houston Texans were a lot of fun to watch this year. Here's hoping we see some of that around here.

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's get that cookie and cracker banter going again.

I'll start...

That's right, I'm a muthafuggin saltine beeyotch!

Posted by: stevek20147 | January 15, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


We need RedDMV and Rotfrau to get dirty with it.

Rotfrau could bark out all sorts of neo-Nazi white supremacist racism; and Red could give him the business a-la-Jesse-Owens-to-Adolf-Hitler, except with a militant dosage of oppressed angry black man.

It'd be great. The ignorant stereotyping would make Jim Crow jealous...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
"The instructive point about Jake Plummer is that Shanny went 13-3 with an imperfect quarterback who Campbell, for all his faults, is better than"

Well now, Bill Walsh called Jake Plummer "the next Joe Montana". If you accept that Walsh knew something about QB's, then maybe Plummer was pretty darn good. If that's true, Shanahan didn't do a good job with Plummer. Who might have been ruined by his time in AZ.

What worries me about Shanahan -- is he the kind of guy who has a system, and needs to have the right guys in his system, or is he a guy who adapts to the player's he's got?

Most coaches seem to fall into the former rather than the latter.

PS -0- I think CP is a Basset Hound. He's pretty low to the ground, but much studier than a Wiener Dog

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

No way does Portis come back successfully. Running back years are like dog years, which makes Clinton like 196.

Posted by: bostskin | January 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to write off CP just yet. He took a lot less abuse this year, partly because he only played in 8 games, but also because his bone spurs kept him out of practice. Let's run him through training camp, then judge.

And, by the way, he's an American bulldog.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't need JC17 learning a new offense for the Redskins. Now if he wants to learn whatever the Browns are running, or the Chiefs, or the Lions... or any other team but ours.. he is certainly welcomed and encouraged to go there. Just so long as it isn't here.

As for what sort of breed of dog CP26 might be, am thinking something along the lines of a bluetick hound.... generally, lazy, worthless and just lies around at his owner's feet all day long... with a mournful look in his eyes... begging to be fed again and again for doing absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What do you get when you breed a bulldog with a shih-tzu?

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:45 PM

A fat and happy bulldog picking its teeth.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

-0- RANT -0-

Aircraft carriers, in naval service, are self-licking ice cream cones. They exist to protect themselves. Heck, not only that, they need other ships to help protect them. All to generate a pathetic number of sorties 120 miles from the bo-at.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

There is only one BA...and he still lives...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 15, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Q - what's the difference between a Pit Bull humping your leg, and a poodle humping your let?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Q - what's the difference between a Pit Bull humping your leg, and a poodle humping your leg?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Q - what's the difference between a Pit Bull humping your leg, and a poodle humping your leg?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Vic wrote
Don't need JC17 learning a new offense for the Redskins. Now if he wants to learn whatever the Browns are running, or the Chiefs, or the Lions... or any other team but ours.. he is certainly welcomed and encouraged to go there. Just so long as it isn't here.
Posted by: Vic1 | January 15, 2010 1:04 PM
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Probably what Kyle is thinking right now as he is breaking down last years Offense (lack of Offense).

Anyone know if Skins won "lowest points scored award" in 2009 like they did in 2008?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the multiple posts, I didn't mean that.

The difference, of course, is that the Pit Bull gets to finish.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Q - what's the difference between a Pit Bull humping your leg, and a poodle humping your leg?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse


I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

As for what sort of breed of dog CP26 might be, am thinking something along the lines of a bluetick hound.... generally, lazy, worthless and just lies around at his owner's feet all day long... with a mournful look in his eyes... begging to be fed again and again for doing absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Vic1


How about a pit bull a bit passed his prime.
Luck for him, Vick doesn't own him or else he'd be body slammed as a lazy pit.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if Skins won "lowest points scored award" in 2009 like they did in 2008?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse


I don't know.

But in the previous decade (2000-2009) the Redskins were the 3rd lowest scoring team in the NFL.

We got nudged out by a point or 2 by Detroit and Cleveland.

That's some neighborhood we're living in...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"The more tight ends, the merrier.*

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 12:35 PM"

Thing is, teams have been attempting to implement 2 TE heavy sets for a couple years now, and it really hasn't panned out. Most recently, Dallas attempted it with Witten and Bennett. Bennett finished the season with 15 receptions for 159 yards. (Witten had 94 receptions)

The Ravens had a similar idea when they brought in LJ Smith to team up with Todd Heap. Smith finished the season with 2 receptions for 31 yards. (Heap had 53 receptions)

Tampa Bay had Kellen Winslow and Jerramy Stevens with an attempt for the same thing. Stevens ended up with 15 receptions and a TD (Winslow had 77).

Defenses have certainly become more TE friendly, but nobody else seems to have figured out how to properly implement 2 TEs fully into the gameplan. We're fairly confident that both Davis and Cooley can produce equivalent to guys like Witten, Winslow, and Heap, but can they both do it at the same time?

That's something no coach has yet to master. Would the team be better off having an extra mid-high draft pick instead of ~15 receptions from one of either Cooley/Davis? Could Yoder be trusted to produce that ~15 receptions and a couple TDs? These are legitimate questions.

Maybe Shanahan can do it, who knows. But it's definitely an option worth exploring.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Thats not a dog its a Democrat..

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As for what sort of breed of dog CP26 might be, am thinking something along the lines of a bluetick hound.... generally, lazy, worthless and just lies around at his owner's feet all day long... with a mournful look in his eyes... begging to be fed again and again for doing absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Vic1

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"What worries me about Shanahan -- is he the kind of guy who has a system, and needs to have the right guys in his system, or is he a guy who adapts to the player's he's got?"

Excellent point.

It seems he's started there already with the signing of a 6'3" 295 center Lichtensteiger who's a square peg in the round hole of typical NFC East linemen.

Perhaps some AFC West ideology is just what the skins need to shake up things inthe NFC East.

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

worst part of this.. Is a comparison of the the three teams' payrolls...
Skins are off the chart compared to Detroit and Cleveland.
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Anyone know if Skins won "lowest points scored award" in 2009 like they did in 2008?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know.

But in the previous decade (2000-2009) the Redskins were the 3rd lowest scoring team in the NFL.

We got nudged out by a point or 2 by Detroit and Cleveland.

That's some neighborhood we're living in...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:14 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"We're fairly confident that both Davis and Cooley can produce equivalent to guys like Witten, Winslow, and Heap, but can they both do it at the same time?"

I don't know how things worked schematically with the players you mentioned, but given the details you provided, a King Solomon's choice must be made by the team:

Which tight end do you part with if you can't make but work together smoothly?

Davis...?

or

Cooley...?

I'd like to see the outcome of that decision-making process.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Davis...?

or

Cooley...?

I'd like to see the outcome of that decision-making process.

Posted by: MistaMoe


I'm on record as saying Cooley goes. Davis is younger and faster and can become much better than Cooley IMO, given an opportunity. Plus, Cooley may bring us a valuable player or more likely pick/s.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Shanahan can do it, who knows. But it's definitely an option worth exploring.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse


Reception stats aside, there's got to be a benefit to fielding a 2-TE set formation, if for no other reason than to keep pressure on the defense and keep them guessing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Shanny blows up his playbook and decides to create a whole new playbook based on the talent that he has. Not familiar with what they ran in Denver, but did they have any two tightend formations? Shanny is definitely going to want to roll those plays that come from two tight end formations into whatever playbook he makes. I would imagine if they keep Sellers, they will need to modify the use of the fullback, since Sellers is more like a tightend than the fullbacks they use in other ECO's. It should be interesting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We can only hope. People are so hung up on what he did in Denver. What did he do in Oakland and San Fran? It seems to me that he sticks to a couple key principles then everything else is created from scratch to fit his players strengths. I have no doubt he will do that here. I'd much rather be the team doing the inventing instead of the team doing the copying.

I know all about the other teams that tried the 2 tight end set but have any of those teams ever had 2 tight ends as talented as ours? I don't think so. Is there really that much of a difference in playing Fred Davis instead of Malcolm Kelly? Is Davis really that much slower than Malcolm? I don't think so.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"What of their relatively rich neighbors, Dominican Republic? How much are they helping?"

Actually DR is helping Haiti, were some of the first responders, of course relatively rich is easy when Haiti is the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. They are saying this will go a long way to softening the relations between the two.

Posted by: dhartogs | January 15, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

... a square peg in the round hole of typical NFC East linemen. ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 1:17 PM

I'm wondering whether the NFC East, as a division, is losing what used to be its identity. Philly has been an outlier with its WCO (now less good b/c of Westbrook's decline) and Dallas' 3-4 is definitely un-NFC East-like. If Shanahan never quit working last year (even "studying" Belichek), maybe he'll come down from the mountain with the scrolls on the 2 TE set. [Also, just to be contrary, Martellus Bennett never had a chance to learn up like Fred Davis did ... and Romo only really hearts Witten ... and LJ Smith was never anything to write home about in the first place ... and Jerramy Stevens is a criminal who drops balls.]

Also, I gave the right punch line to the wrong joke above ... mine was about CROSSING a bull dog and that other little breed (which I think the filters tried to block b/c I can't spell it right).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, I think Shanny will absolutely look at his roster, identify his playmakers, and figure out how to get them the ball. Period.

Our TEs are playmakers. Our WRs, not so much.

I'm sure he can figure out some wrinkles and sets of plays to take advantage.

Over the years, the problem with Shanny's teams has never been "they aren't properly utilizing their talent on offense".

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Actually DR is helping Haiti, were some of the first responders, of course relatively rich is easy when Haiti is the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. They are saying this will go a long way to softening the relations between the two.

Posted by: dhartogs

My wife and I went to DR late last year, resort of course, and it was very nice. Lot's of european tourists. I know the history of bad blood and Haiti's attacks on DR didn't helpo the process along. Think, israel and palestine. That's the hatred.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

That's something no coach has yet to master. Would the team be better off having an extra mid-high draft pick instead of ~15 receptions from one of either Cooley/Davis? Could Yoder be trusted to produce that ~15 receptions and a couple TDs? These are legitimate questions.

Maybe Shanahan can do it, who knows. But it's definitely an option worth exploring.

Posted by: psps23

Agreed. Some people pointed out example of 2 TE sets that were successful, but its been rare.

Usually 2 TE sets include at least 1 quality blocking TE, neither Cooley or Davis fit that.

If Shanahan can do something that others have done, great.

The basic idea for a TE is to have hybrid blocker/pass catcher. Someone that blocks well enough that he can take out an LB or hold his own against a DE. Fast and agile enough to be able to beat an LB in coverage. Big and strong enough so a DB can't keep him from catching the short passes.

But TEs are slow compared to WRs, and most offenses want speed.

If Davis and Cooley were both superior blockers and helped the run game a bunch, I'd say this would be a worthy experiment. But they aren't, so I'm guessing that 2 TE sets will be an occasional thing, not a common thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Reception stats aside, there's got to be a benefit to fielding a 2-TE set formation, if for no other reason than to keep pressure on the defense and keep them guessing.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:26 PM

There are lots of 2 TE sets where the second TE is a blocker (frankly, when Jansen was sucking, Skins were throwing in 2 TEs with one to chip). The trick is to send two TEs to send down the field.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Alas, no, Rodney King. We can't just get along. Too bad for all of us.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Davis...?

or

Cooley...?

I'd like to see the outcome of that decision-making process.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

I'll take a stab at it.

Cooley strengths:
More experience
More consistent over his career, beginning with his rookie year
Proven Pro-bowl player
"Intangible" guy who brings energy and excitement to the fanbase
Harder worker (educated guess)
Quicker learner (educated guess)

Cooley weaknesses:
Less physically talented
Lower ceiling
More expensive
Can fetch higher value in a trade (weakness in terms of staying on the team)
Older

Davis strengths:
More athletic
Better hands
Cheaper contract
Higher ceiling
Lower trade value
Younger

Davis weaknesses:
Unproven on a season-to-season basis
Has had issues in the past with coaches trust

I think by a football analysis, Davis is more valuable to this franchise than Cooley is. Of course, when you're talking about team popularity, marketing, and sales, Cooley is probably #1 on the roster right now (and #2 for the franchise, behind only Shanahan).

So it's an interesting debate indeed.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

There are lots of 2 TE sets where the second TE is a blocker (frankly, when Jansen was sucking, Skins were throwing in 2 TEs with one to chip). The trick is to send two TEs to send down the field.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


Right. The point is that if both of those TEs are known to be pass-catching/play-making TEs, then it's got to keep the D off-balance. Which one will they send?

I think the TE screens have been one of the few effective plays for this team over the years.

If you've got 2 on the field, you could run them either way

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

There are lots of 2 TE sets where the second TE is a blocker (frankly, when Jansen was sucking, Skins were throwing in 2 TEs with one to chip). The trick is to send two TEs to send down the field.

Posted by: dcsween

That's what I've observed, 2 TE sets help you run the ball if they're good blockers. Not sure why you'd want two TEs to be pass catchers on the field together. You want more speed with guys going downfield.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think by a football analysis, Davis is more valuable to this franchise than Cooley is. Of course, when you're talking about team popularity, marketing, and sales, Cooley is probably #1 on the roster right now (and #2 for the franchise, behind only Shanahan).

So it's an interesting debate indeed.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 1:38 PM

My man.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I went to DR late last year, resort of course, and it was very nice. Lot's of european tourists. I know the history of bad blood and Haiti's attacks on DR didn't helpo the process along. Think, israel and palestine. That's the hatred.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM

I spend some time in the Dominican Republic and it is not a rich country. They have some of the same tensions as any other part of the Carribbean, they just have a different historical legacy than Haiti (one Spanish, the other French) ... but they both had dictators for a long time ... and racism, which is not only a U.S. thing, it part of each country's story. Regardless, the point is that Haiti's medical infrastructure is a complete fail and, as a humanity matter, they need help. If you can spare it, send money to the Red Cross (who will not use it to cover the port and maintenance fees of zcezcest's carrier fleet for the months and years when its not assisting in disaster relief).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Usually 2 TE sets include at least 1 quality blocking TE, neither Cooley or Davis fit that. ... If Davis and Cooley were both superior blockers and helped the run game a bunch, I'd say this would be a worthy experiment. But they aren't, so I'm guessing that 2 TE sets will be an occasional thing, not a common thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 1:35 PM

I disagree that Cooley isn't a superior blocker. Cooley blocks great.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

That's what I've observed, 2 TE sets help you run the ball if they're good blockers. Not sure why you'd want two TEs to be pass catchers on the field together. You want more speed with guys going downfield.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse


You could use them to work the middle of the field. Or you could keep them in to block. You could keep one in to block and use the other as a hot-read.

I'm not a guru, but I'd think it's a way to keep defenses off-balance, especially if they are blitz-happy.

My point is that I can see Shanny finding ways to get Cooley and Davis on the field and using 2 WRs as opposed to going 3Wrs and a TE because we, frankly, don't have 3 reliable play-making WRs, but we do have 2 reliable play-making TEs.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, I think Shanny will absolutely look at his roster, identify his playmakers, and figure out how to get them the ball. Period.

Our TEs are playmakers. Our WRs, not so much.

Posted by: p1funk"

Funny thing is, that's the rationale I use when arguing for keeping both as is.

But it's also the same idea that Dallas, Baltimore, and TB had when analyzing their roster. Not one of them entered the season with confidence in their receiving corp. TB and Baltimore each had one playmaker at WR, and Dallas really didn't have any (they found out about Austin at midseason).

So that was their rationale for believing the 2 TEs would work. Kind of like what we're doing now.

Honestly, I'm 50/50 with this. If they trade one, I completely understand why. If they keep both, I completely understand why.

In Shanahan we trust.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

dc,

i undersdtand the point abundantly well. I also know they are "relatively" rich in comparison. I've often marveled at how our "poor" would be considered rich in many parts of the world. Trouble is, where do we, as a broke nation, send our $?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I would personally like to take this time to apologize to the female contingent (LisaR, Suzanne, League-Source) that frequents the RI board for starting the whole Megan Fox discussion last night and for this SMOKING HOT topic to monopolize today’s as well.

It looks like this shallow discussion has stymied their participation today and for that, I’m sorry.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

psp I think Cooley has much better hands than Davis, and he blocks better.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Several years ago, I proposed something that would have helped the people of Haiti tremendously. I've written my politicians, but you know how that goes.

The idea is this. Create a fleet of aircraft carriers that have been tasked solely for the purpose of disaster relief.

These would be essentially mobile cities. Instead of fighters, the decks would have helicopters which can move people and supplies even if ports are damaged or airports are not functional.

There would be medical teams on board, some that would be dedicated to going to the disaster, others that would stay on ship for more difficult medical cases.

On board would be supplies, water, food, etc. They would carry search and rescue teams. Teams would be dedicated to clearing roads, putting portable energy supplies in place, temporary housing (tents and cots).

An aircraft carrier can carry roughly 5,000 people, huge amounts of supplies and importantly, they create their own drinking water from sea water.

These carriers would be paid for by nations from around the world, staffed by people from around the world. Truly an international operation.

The real key is that these carriers can cover long distances in relatively short tine frames. A carrier that was in Virgina could have been in Haiti in a day. Another based in Brazil could have been there in a day. That would be 10,000 'boots on the ground', organized and dedicated to immediate relief.

Tragedies happen. They time, place and form may not be predictable, but the reality is that getting.

If you like this idea, feel free to add your voice to it.


Posted by: zcezcest1
Ummm that is what president Bush sent to the tsunami victims for the last tragedy was our aircraft carrier(s), you see they can already do that. In addition they also can filter salt water to make it drinkable and they already have helicopters on board and can create electricity to help keep emergency equipment running.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

psps, I also disagree that Davis is more athletic or has better hands than Cooley. Davis may have a 'cheaper' contract, but its not by much and Cooley's is newer and longer. The only difference that is accurate and makes a difference is that Davis is faster. Cooley's "experience" does not mean he's old, it means that he's approaching or mid-peak. Davis' inexperience is because, well, he's a sophomore. Davis is getting better at blocking. That stuff takes care of itself. The bottom line remains that there was no valid reason to draft another TE in the second round of that draft.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

psps wrote
Cooley weaknesses:
Less physically talented
Lower ceiling
More expensive
Can fetch higher value in a trade (weakness in terms of staying on the team)
Older
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Cooley has a rep for bad conditioning habits and is considered injury prone. I think Davis has higher trade value.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember, you have to consider the speed of your TEs relative to the players who will be covering them.

WRs tend to be fast, but so do CBs. If you send two TEs out, one may draw DWare, but the other draws Bobby Carpenter. Arrrrgh.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 15, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Trouble is, where do we, as a broke nation, send our $?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 15, 2010 1:46 PM

I'm not touching this one any more.

________

... the female contingent (LisaR, Suzanne, League-Source) ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2010 1:48 PM

THIS one, I think is hilarious.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Also George Clooney would have been teh perfect Hannibal. He leads Ocean's Eleven and has that wity sarcasm thign down. Plus he doesn't have a freaking accent.

Michael Clark Duncan should have been BA that guy is enormous and BA!!

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Cooley has a rep for bad conditioning habits and is considered injury prone.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 1:52 PM

Bad conditioning? WHAT? Where does THAT come from?

Injury prone? He missed his FIRST (and only one) practice this season before he f-ed up his ankle. How is that injury prone?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

ROTFLMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

psp I think Cooley has much better hands than Davis, and he blocks better.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse
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If there are Tight Ends on our team or in this league who are worse blockers than Cooley, they should be drug out and shot.

Cooley is only productive in this league as a receiving/motion tight end. He can't block the sun from his eyes.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Reception stats aside, there's got to be a benefit to fielding a 2-TE set formation, if for no other reason than to keep pressure on the defense and keep them guessing.


Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse
I agree, p1. And it will depend on how the defense reacts to our 2xTE. If they assign LB's, we pass to either of them. If they assign cb's, we keep them in tight and run power plays. Every week will be different, depending on what we see on D.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

That's what I've observed, 2 TE sets help you run the ball if they're good blockers. Not sure why you'd want two TEs to be pass catchers on the field together. You want more speed with guys going downfield.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Now, here is where it helps to look at our exact personnel and not just what other teams did. Is Bennet as good of a pass catcher as Fred Davis? No, he's not. Bennet is a much better pass blocker. Now, Witten is one of the best tight ends in the game so it's hard to pair another tight end with him since he's always open. Cooley and Davis are much closer mathced than Witten and Bennet.


Now as far as speed is concerned what if we put Davis and Cooley on the field with Alridge, Moss, and Thomas? All we did was remove Tortoise and Kelly and replace them with Alridge and Davis. So we didn't lose any speed. In fact, it would be easy to convince me that we actually gained speed.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The arrival off the Haitian coast of the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier laden with helicopters, essentially provides a "second airport" from which aid can be delivered to the stricken capital, Crowley said.

so in essense we already do this


NEXT!!!

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

He was taking game breaks (sat out some downs) for his knees... and back spasms, I thought.
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Injury prone? He missed his FIRST (and only one) practice this season before he f-ed up his ankle. How is that injury prone?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:56 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"The bottom line remains that there was no valid reason to draft another TE in the second round of that draft.

Posted by: dcsween"

Oh, I completely agree.

But we now have both, and possibly an opportunity to get back the pick we spent in the first place.

Cooley's cap hit for next is $4.76 million (should there be a cap).

Davis' is $820,000.

Cooley's will continue to rise at a higher rate due to the structure of his contract, Davis' increases are only incremental (non 1st round picks all receive contracts within the same vicinity, only with varying signing bonuses).

It's a significant difference (albeit one that may not matter for the next 2 years because of the cap).

I've always seen Cooley as the guy who maximizes his talents to the nth degree. Whenever we play Dallas, I see Witten play and think to myself 'As good as Cooley is, he could never do some of the things Witten does.'

Those thoughts don't cross my mind when I watch Davis. He reminds me of Antonio Gates physically and athletically.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1
Ummm that is what president Bush sent to the tsunami victims for the last tragedy was our aircraft carrier(s), you see they can already do that. In addition they also can filter salt water to make it drinkable and they already have helicopters on board and can create electricity to help keep emergency equipment running.

Posted by: skinball77

Aircraft carriers have a very different primary task and while they can be helpful in a disaster, ships designed, supplied and staffed for disaster relief would do a much better job. Lots of helicopters instead of jets. Far more medical staff, road clearing, temporary shelters, food/water supplies, etc.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Cooley wasnt drafted as a TE. He was switched to TE when Zorn came in. Gibbs drafted Cooley as an H back in his offense. So who knows what Shanahan may have in mind as far as getting Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time. There could be some formations where they put Cooley at H back, and Davis at TE, the key obviously is for both of them to improve in blocking. If Davis can become a reliable blocker this will open up many options for the offense. But its all going to be up to what Shanahan and mini-Shanahan come up with.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Aircraft carriers have a very different primary task and while they can be helpful in a disaster, ships designed, supplied and staffed for disaster relief would do a much better job. Lots of helicopters instead of jets. Far more medical staff, road clearing, temporary shelters, food/water supplies, etc.

Posted by: zcezcest1

But what i am telling you is, instead of spending 1 trillion on a ship that can simply just help people we spend 1 trillion on a ship that can defend our nation and help people...we dont need a carrier fleet just for disaters when the ships we have do a fine job already.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I am telling you screen passes to Davis with Cooley as a blocker with a pulling guard will be devastating

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If it was Davis and Cooley straight up for a trade.. If I was a GM I would be concerned that the ankle break was on a cut that Cooley made carrying the ball. I dont recall anyone hitting the ankle or pulling him down. If such is the case.. there could be some ligament weakness issues...
I may be wrong.. havent seen the play since it happened. Remember getting sorta ill watching the foot flopping around..
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He was taking game breaks (sat out some downs) for his knees... and back spasms, I thought.
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Injury prone? He missed his FIRST (and only one) practice this season before he f-ed up his ankle. How is that injury prone?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:56 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The arrival off the Haitian coast of the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier laden with helicopters, essentially provides a "second airport" from which aid can be delivered to the stricken capital, Crowley said.

so in essense we already do this


NEXT!!!

Posted by: skinball77

its not the same, not even close, and you know it. Those billions of $$ of fixed wing aircraft on the deck of the Vinson aren't of much help in disaster relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I am telling you screen passes to Davis with Cooley as a blocker with a pulling guard will be devastating

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What about a dumpoff pass to Alridge with those 3 out in front? Have Cooley lined up in the backfield and Davis at TE.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Aircraft carriers have a very different primary task and while they can be helpful in a disaster, ships designed, supplied and staffed for disaster relief would do a much better job. Lots of helicopters instead of jets. Far more medical staff, road clearing, temporary shelters, food/water supplies, etc.

Posted by: zcezcest1

But what i am telling you is, instead of spending 1 trillion on a ship that can simply just help people we spend 1 trillion on a ship that can defend our nation and help people...we dont need a carrier fleet just for disaters when the ships we have do a fine job already.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse
Yes, I agree, skinball. It would be hard to build zcezces' fleet of relief ships, when we only have a few true disasters. It's hard to justify that investment. Much easier to fund it through the defense budget, then send them on goodwill missions when you do have a disaster. Great thought, zcezcwe, just not very practical.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

But what i am telling you is, instead of spending 1 trillion on a ship that can simply just help people we spend 1 trillion on a ship that can defend our nation and help people...we dont need a carrier fleet just for disaters when the ships we have do a fine job already.

Posted by: skinball77

did I say the US should pay for all of it? Don't think so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2010 2:06 PM

You're gonna get push back when you fail to worship the sacred cow. But you're right and I know you can take whatever heat people bring. I said it before the season, Davis is the better TE and long-term prospect.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

its not the same, not even close, and you know it. Those billions of $$ of fixed wing aircraft on the deck of the Vinson aren't of much help in disaster relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse
Now this is beginning to sound like a political debate over whether we should have carriers for defense or not.

Our carriers have plenty of helicopters on board, and we can fly additional ones to them in an emergency like this. The "fixed wing" planes can be flown to land to make room for whatever the emergency demands.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Cooley has much better hands than Davis, and he blocks better.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 1:49 PM

I wouldn't say Cooley blocks better. To me, Davis was already blocking better by the last 3/4 games. But neither are good overall blockers as of the moment....

Davis hands and range will surpass cooley's this up coming season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

did I say the US should pay for all of it? Don't think so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse
Come on. You know we'll end up picking up at least half the bill, probably more.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

... its not the same, not even close, and you know it. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM

I've been in situations like this with my sister before ... and she utters these words, it never ends well.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I am telling you screen passes to Davis with Cooley as a blocker with a pulling guard will be devastating

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What about a dumpoff pass to Alridge with those 3 out in front? Have Cooley lined up in the backfield and Davis at TE.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I like this idea. Speed kills.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Arenas in Court....About to get 'Zero' time on a felony....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I am telling you screen passes to Davis with Cooley as a blocker with a pulling guard will be devastating

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What about a dumpoff pass to Alridge with those 3 out in front? Have Cooley lined up in the backfield and Davis at TE.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I like this idea. Speed kills.

This is more what I was thinking. Cooley lined up as an H back and Davis lined up at TE. The key to any of that working is the running game. With the threat of a legitimate running game I think the above formation would keep opposing defensive coordinators up at night.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

He's not likely going to get sentenced today. He's just going to enter a plea. If his PSI is straight then he may not go to jail.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

We'll see who is better Cooley or Davis...we'll see. I prefer to have them in tandem...at least for next year. Sue me, I dig Cooley. Obsessed with fantasy football, blogging, being a wise azz, facebook, The Capitals...I can relate to the cat on that level and would like him to stay on my fave team.

A dude can't win on this...when I admitted a Cooley jersey would make me feel to "white pride", when I admit I want the dude on the team he is a sacred cow...F Vinny for the tart move of TE in second round...was/is one of the dumbest picks I have ever seen, regardless of FD's ability.

But whateves makes the team not a joke I am for at this point...trade cooley....3/4....over tanned coach....

Oh and is zcezcest1 really arguing the ridiculous point about disastor carriers. You are like the Rupert Pupkin of dissastor engineering.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

That gust of wind y'all just felt was damn near the entire board doing an about face to Chris Cooley.

I too think Davis will be better long-term.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I understand our boy Chase Daniel will be emergency QB this weekend for Saints.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

its not the same, not even close, and you know it. Those billions of $$ of fixed wing aircraft on the deck of the Vinson aren't of much help in disaster relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse
Now this is beginning to sound like a political debate over whether we should have carriers for defense or not.

Our carriers have plenty of helicopters on board, and we can fly additional ones to them in an emergency like this. The "fixed wing" planes can be flown to land to make room for whatever the emergency demands.

Lets end this argument, google Marine MEU capabilities and Naval Amphibious Carrier capabilities. We already have the capabilities you are talking about.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Aircraft carriers have a very different primary task and while they can be helpful in a disaster, ships designed, supplied and staffed for disaster relief would do a much better job. Lots of helicopters instead of jets. Far more medical staff, road clearing, temporary shelters, food/water supplies, etc.

Posted by: zcezcest1

But what i am telling you is, instead of spending 1 trillion on a ship that can simply just help people we spend 1 trillion on a ship that can defend our nation and help people...we dont need a carrier fleet just for disaters when the ships we have do a fine job already.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I've heard enough. zcezcest1 wins. We're building the ships. Sorry skinball77. Better luck next time.

Posted by: mack1 | January 15, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

this makes up for--if only a little bit--some of the greedy, bad news that came out of this team last season.

Posted by: newmexicofan | January 15, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if L Torrence is covering the slot receiver in NO? He does it better than anyone, such as...

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

its not the same, not even close, and you know it. Those billions of $$ of fixed wing aircraft on the deck of the Vinson aren't of much help in disaster relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse
Now this is beginning to sound like a political debate over whether we should have carriers for defense or not.

Our carriers have plenty of helicopters on board, and we can fly additional ones to them in an emergency like this. The "fixed wing" planes can be flown to land to make room for whatever the emergency demands.

Lets end this argument, google Marine MEU capabilities and Naval Amphibious Carrier capabilities. We already have the capabilities you are talking about.

Posted by: hudginsc

You have two legs, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make a NFL receiver. The capabilities don't require any breakthru's, but the pieces are not designed to do the job. A bit like handing someone hand tools and wanting them to a freeway overpass. The tools may be useful, but its not well designed for the job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if L Torrence is covering the slot receiver in NO? He does it better than anyone, such as...

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse
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He went on IR shortly before NO started playing like monkey poo. Sound familiar? I'm just saying, we were 6-2 with him last year, 2-6 without him. The Saints were unstoppable with him, and now they look kinda vulnerable.

I'm not saying he's a great football player, but damifhedontgotsum crazy VooDoo

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I've often thought that converting an aircraft carrier to a floating brothel would be a hell of a business proposition. The primary selling point would be you could do things in international waters that are illegal in some countries...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I may be the only guy left who still backs Chris Cooley.

He has proven himself - skill, attitude, love for our team. I've seen too many one hit wonders to bet the TE "house" on Davis.

People giving up on Cooley seem extremely fickle to me.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You have two legs, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make a NFL receiver. The capabilities don't require any breakthru's, but the pieces are not designed to do the job. A bit like handing someone hand tools and wanting them to a freeway overpass. The tools may be useful, but its not well designed for the job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok well I tried but obviously you didnt look up or research what I told you to research and so therefore any argument someone posts will wrong in your mind. But think about this, in your mind we should develop a whole new technology and train people to use this technology all based on if/when a natural disaster may occur, and in the hope that said natual disaster will occur at a place where there is water close enough to even deploy this technology?

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

LEarned - I think you are wrong on this one........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That gust of wind y'all just felt was damn near the entire board doing an about face to Chris Cooley.

I too think Davis will be better long-term.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 2:39 PM |

Could've fooled me. I thought it was one of your fart clouds passing over DC. And we didn't just felt it. We smelt it too.

Posted by: MrPink | January 15, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I may be the only guy left who still backs Chris Cooley.

He has proven himself - skill, attitude, love for our team. I've seen too many one hit wonders to bet the TE "house" on Davis.

People giving up on Cooley seem extremely fickle to me.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse
I do agree with you, Rex. CC is a player. The more playas you puts on the field, the betta you playz.

By trading CC, you give up a pro bowler, and get A CHANCE at a starter. No guarantees there. I'm sure Shanny can make do with a strong TE combo.

So I am opposed to trading CC.

Now I am willing to trade zcezce's mercy ship for RSH's floating brothel. We'd get a lot more full-time use out of that investment.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I may be the only guy left who still backs Chris Cooley.

He has proven himself - skill, attitude, love for our team. I've seen too many one hit wonders to bet the TE "house" on Davis.

People giving up on Cooley seem extremely fickle to me.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Huh?

Did the board give up on Cooley?

I sure as heck haven't.

Redskins fans taking one of the few consistent Pro-Bowl caliber playmakers on the team and chukcing him under the bus is sooooo last decade...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

As a Haitian-American myself living here in DC and a die-hard Redskins fan, on behalf of the Haitian people I say THANK YOU MR. SNYDER!

Posted by: JeanJak | January 15, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

You have two legs, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make a NFL receiver. The capabilities don't require any breakthru's, but the pieces are not designed to do the job. A bit like handing someone hand tools and wanting them to a freeway overpass. The tools may be useful, but its not well designed for the job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok well I tried but obviously you didnt look up or research what I told you to research and so therefore any argument someone posts will wrong in your mind. But think about this, in your mind we should develop a whole new technology and train people to use this technology all based on if/when a natural disaster may occur, and in the hope that said natual disaster will occur at a place where there is water close enough to even deploy this technology?

Posted by: hudginsc

obviously, you assume that a system that is designed to be a military unit can be equally applied to large scale rescue purposes. Which is, of course, silly. Aircraft carriers are amazing tools with tremendous capabilities, but they are outfitted to do a very different task than humanitarian relief.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I say we keep them both, Cooley and Davis. You can never have too many playmakers and they both have proven to be playmakers, its up to the coaches to figure out a way to use them both, but if a deal comes along that we cannot turn down then I say you trade the guy who will give the skins the bigger return on the trade. I am partial to Cooley but that is just because of the Dallas game back in 05 when he totally destroyed their defense, its the reason Im still partial to Santana Moss as well, any player that helps the skins beat Dallas I am a fan of for life. Of course unless they go play for Dallas.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

RT @dcsportsbog: Plea agreement for #Arenas has prosecutors recommending low end of guidelines = max sentence of 6 months.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

obviously, you assume that a system that is designed to be a military unit can be equally applied to large scale rescue purposes. Which is, of course, silly. Aircraft carriers are amazing tools with tremendous capabilities, but they are outfitted to do a very different task than humanitarian relief.

Dude really, I have assumed nothing, most of my knowledge is based off of firsthand experiance, but what you propose is what is silly. Sure if we developed what you proposing I am sure it would be much better suited for humanitarian missions, but look at the cost factor and training costs of this technology versus when/how often this technology will actually be utilized. Again what you are proposing is already in place.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Spoke too soon...LH, you were right...

arenas released pending sentencing on march 26

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

There's no point having two quality Tight Ends on the team. Tight ends never get injured. It's a fact.

Posted by: mack1 | January 15, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok so a large ship that carries 1000's of militarily trained personel. the same people we are sending there right now to protect the food and water relief efforts is bad.

A large ship with tons of food on it ready to distribute at any time is bad.

This same ship that has many hospitals on it, with doctors trained in triage medicine for injuries that will be the same as what would be in war/natural disasters is bad.

also each military personel is trained in some form of first aid that woudl be horrible.

Also the clean water it makes and electricity it supplies is no good along with the runway for planes to land and helicopters to carry personel and food out is not correct.

I understand it wasnt MADE for this purpose but to go your route. Duct tape was made to repair air ducts and such but it does a pretty dang good job fixing other things.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Are skinball and zcezce still talking about aircraft carriers??

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

found the video....
No one touched Cooley.. He was making a reverse cut and broke the ankle..No hits, no opponent pulling him down.. Just a simple button hook "get open" cut.
That is rare for ligaments to completely give out and cease supporting the ankle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyH9rQKEJo8

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If it was Davis and Cooley straight up for a trade.. If I was a GM I would be concerned that the ankle break was on a cut that Cooley made carrying the ball. I dont recall anyone hitting the ankle or pulling him down. If such is the case.. there could be some ligament weakness issues...
I may be wrong.. havent seen the play since it happened. Remember getting sorta ill watching the foot flopping around..
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He was taking game breaks (sat out some downs) for his knees... and back spasms, I thought.
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Injury prone? He missed his FIRST (and only one) practice this season before he f-ed up his ankle. How is that injury prone?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 1:56 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 2:16 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

i also brought up the cooley davis screen pass idea as well p1funk :)

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The primary selling point would be you could do things in international waters that are illegal in some countries ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM

On the other hand, there ARE reasons why things are illegal in some countries.

(Davis > Cooley) = (Brennan > Campbell) = power rankings = periculum

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

There's no point having two quality Tight Ends on the team. Tight ends never get injured. It's a fact.

Posted by: mack1 | January 15, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

For once the team has QUALITY depth at a certain position and now everyone wants to trade one of them.

In honor of the traveling Bean..."UFB"

Posted by: oh_boy1 | January 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I need to amend this math ...

(Davis vs. Cooley) = (Brennan vs. Campbell) = power rankings = periculum

... which is really just a theorem that demonstrates the RI Law of Pointless Discussion

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I thought it might be a good idea to get some of those SoFla mazzillionnaairress to take their satellite com. enabled yachts down to the haitian coasts so they could beam some network connections to folks...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

He went on IR shortly before NO started playing like monkey poo. Sound familiar? I'm just saying, we were 6-2 with him last year, 2-6 without him. The Saints were unstoppable with him, and now they look kinda vulnerable.

I'm not saying he's a great football player, but damifhedontgotsum crazy VooDoo

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Hmm, I've never seen Leigh Torrence and Drew Brees on the field at the same time.... Maybe, Drew Breesus steps into a phone booth and Leigh Torrence steps out? Does either one of them wear glasses?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

WHy on earth would we trade either one of them, it's an uncapped year. even if we onl yplay one of them at a time, it keeps a fresh set of legs on the field at all times. If we employ both of them at the same time then that adds an wrinkle to any D Coordinators task of stopping us.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I understand it wasnt MADE for this purpose but to go your route. Duct tape was made to repair air ducts and such but it does a pretty dang good job fixing other things.

Posted by: skinball77

You know you're missing the point. I'll hear arguments about cost vs value, because it is a lot of money -- I didn't suggest this as a 'US only' kind of thing. I get the argument about disasters far inland, though the vast majority of people are located near coasts.

I'm not suggesting, as you implied, that we're talking about some radical new technology. Overwhelmingly, the pieces have been invented, many are incredibly cheap (tents, cots) and low tech. Even labor could be at modest costs.

Aircraft carriers need to be tasked to military purposes, their budgets, personnel, etc needs to spent overwhelmingly on military purposes. Are they useful in disaster relief? Yes. Is there something that could be much better? Yes.

In Haiti (or NOLA, or Myanmar, or the Asian tsunami), you need lots of search and rescue staff, lots of medics and eqpt, lots of food/water to distribute, lots of road clearing eqpt (chain saws), etc. The proportions of these things on a aircraft carrier are not close to the requirement for disaster relief.

We're in relative agreement over the capabilities of an aircraft carrier. Where we differ is that I see the potential for a resource designed for the job as being much more effective than the 'duct tape' approach you suggest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

How does Arenas' lawyer allow Gil to get in front of a judge and say he "never takes anything seriously." Let's see how that works out.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Big Dan Snyder fan, but props go out to him for swift, appropriate action in a time of dire need.

Posted by: BruceSchwalm | January 15, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We're in relative agreement over the capabilities of an aircraft carrier. Where we differ is that I see the potential for a resource designed for the job as being much more effective than the 'duct tape' approach you suggest.


Posted by: zcezcest1
The duct tape argument was simply a jab at your atrocious i have legs but can't be a WR comment.

Listen i get where your coming from, but writing your congressman to spend 1 trillion dollars (LOL at any other country helping) for this is insane. The US is ALWAYS the first country to help in any aide situation, we give more aide than any other country in the world. Via money, supplies, water, food, medicine ETC. We do just fine with what we have, it can always be more.

just remember though, when bad things happen to the US, you can count on your right hand the amount of countries that will help us; as was proven on 9/11, so before you spend all that moeny on others, make sure you have enough for us.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as too much talent on a football team or at a position on a team.

Who would say ya' know we have Unitas, let's get rid of that other QB we have

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It's not often, but every once in a while Dan does the right thing- props to Dan and the Skins!

Posted by: Skins930 | January 15, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

We're in relative agreement over the capabilities of an aircraft carrier. Where we differ is that I see the potential for a resource designed for the job as being much more effective than the 'duct tape' approach you suggest.


Posted by: zcezcest1
The duct tape argument was simply a jab at your atrocious i have legs but can't be a WR comment.

Listen i get where your coming from, but writing your congressman to spend 1 trillion dollars (LOL at any other country helping) for this is insane. The US is ALWAYS the first country to help in any aide situation, we give more aide than any other country in the world. Via money, supplies, water, food, medicine ETC. We do just fine with what we have, it can always be more.

just remember though, when bad things happen to the US, you can count on your right hand the amount of countries that will help us; as was proven on 9/11, so before you spend all that moeny on others, make sure you have enough for us.

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Its a good idea in theory, and yes would probably work much better than what we do now, BUT the cost that would be associated would outweigh any benifits we would gain over what we currently use now.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Are skinball and zcezce still talking about aircraft carriers??

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse
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What did you see?

I was to-tally about to bone my girlfriend and I looked up and I saw an aircraft carrier.

What did you do next?

I was about to bone my girlfriend again but the mosquitoes were bad and she was, like, there's no way...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


X X XXXXXX X
Q

X
X

See this is what i am talking this set up will win us a super bowl...

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite moments of the season was when Fred Davis scored that TD in Oakland and made the "cuckold" gesture.

Too damn funny. I remember damn near choking on my beer watching that.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL, I thought League-Source was male.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 15, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

well that didnt post how i had it in my text screen LOL

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Check out Len P. Tip sheet over at ESPN. If you want to know why building the OL and DL is so important read the excerpt below:
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Only three of the top 10 sack teams from the 2009 regular season remain in the playoffs. And just four of the 10 franchises that surrendered the fewest sacks in '09 are still in contention for a Super Bowl XLIV berth.

But combine those two critical disciplines -- the ability to knock down the other guy's quarterback and to keep your own passer perpendicular -- and the list of playoff survivors that have advanced to the weekend's division-round games grows considerably.

Six of the eight division-round clubs were among the NFL's top 10 in sack differential -- the number of sacks recorded by a team's defense minus the sacks that its offense allowed -- during the regular season. That includes all four of the top sack-differential leaders. In order, they were Indianapolis (plus-21), Arizona (plus-16), New Orleans (plus-15) and Minnesota (plus-14).

Seven of the eight clubs that are still playing, with Baltimore (minus-4) being the lone exception, recorded a positive sack differential during the season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I may be the only guy left who still backs Chris Cooley.

He has proven himself - skill, attitude, love for our team. I've seen too many one hit wonders to bet the TE "house" on Davis.

People giving up on Cooley seem extremely fickle to me.

Posted by: REXskins | January 15, 2010 2:54 PM

We should keep Cooley and not worry about converting aircraft carriers.

Anything else?


Moving on...

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Listen i get where your coming from, but writing your congressman to spend 1 trillion dollars (LOL at any other country helping) for this is insane. The US is ALWAYS the first country to help in any aide situation, we give more aide than any other country in the world. Via money, supplies, water, food, medicine ETC. We do just fine with what we have, it can always be more.

just remember though, when bad things happen to the US, you can count on your right hand the amount of countries that will help us; as was proven on 9/11, so before you spend all that moeny on others, make sure you have enough for us.

Posted by: skinball77

I don't see anywhere near $1trillion in this. I do think it'd have to be an international effort. No way should we pick up even the majority of the tab.

I suspect other nations would have an interest in it. I think there are about half a dozen nations that have aircraft carriers. I don't know about the cost/benefit of maintaining a carrier near the end of military usefulness vs retasking one for an alternate purpose. I would look to retiring vessels for example, not new ones. The military needs state of the art, humanitarian relief, for the most part, doesn't.

We read about major disasters like Haiti just about every year. But there are plenty of more modest disasters where its barely a blip in the news (how much did you read about typhoons in the Philippines this year?) and a relief system would go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Well THIS is interesting. Have peeps here already talked about how Jim Haslett stepped on Terry Bradshaw's unhelmeted head ... on purpose? Seems like he and Haynesworth will hit it off already.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/jim_haslett_stepped_on_terry_b.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans need maps, like such as, because the zcezcestestes and the skinnedmyballs77, should duct tape their keyboards, uh, to help, uh, spare other U.S. American RI blogger peeps from reading their aircraft carrier posts, in the future.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | January 15, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans need maps, like such as, because the zcezcestestes and the skinnedmyballs77, should duct tape their keyboards, uh, to help, uh, spare other U.S. American RI blogger peeps from reading their aircraft carrier posts, in the future.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina


I lol'ed

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Can Suh be dropping? Another excerpt from the Tip Sheet.

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The "other" tackle: Believe it or not, there are some scouts who at this early point of the draft evaluation feel that Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska might not be the best defensive tackle prospect in the 2010 lottery. There were a few teams ESPN.com spoke with this week that were touting Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy instead. A guy who might have been a top-15 choice had he entered the 2009 draft, McCoy has 14½ sacks in three seasons, and some talent evaluators feel he might be more versatile and explosive than the highly regarded Suh. There have been four instances since 2001 when a pair of tackles were drafted in the top 10, most recently in 2008 (Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis). But you must go back to the 1992 draft to find two tackles selected among the top five picks. Steve Emtman (Colts) was No. 1 overall that year, and Sean Gilbert (Rams) was third. Suh and McCoy figure to go off the board in the top five in April.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL, I thought League-Source was male.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 15, 2010 4:01 PM

So does League Source.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

You all have great ideas....Especially Alridge on the screen pass.....FUMBLE!!!!!

And the TE screen historically works twice a game.

Arm-chair Coaches = Blast Furnace fuel.....WOOSH

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm making wings this weekend and I'm using good old fashion Frank's hot sauce. I don't care for your nefangled habanero mango sauce. Just give me good ol frank's. I'll also be drinking a buttload of beer. My mission is to drink until one of the teams looks like the redskins!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz, please explain how a broken bone indicates ligament weakness issues? If anything him breaking his ankle like that indicates his ligaments are too strong for his bones where the competing forces of the various ligaments tore his bone. If he had severely sprained his ankle, i.e. tore his ligament, I'd agree with you.

As far as the aircraft carrier argument - the effective countries/companies/etc. can turn what they have into effective operations. Quite frankly aircraft carriers can be adapted for humanitarian relief missions and therefore the assembly of new humanitarian aircraft carriers is unnecessary. If there is anything missing with the current aircraft carriers then that indicates the need to create portable setups of whatever they are missing (like if they didn't have the ability to create potable water the creation of a portable water filtration system would be needed). That is less expensive, will take less time, and meets the needs of humanitarian missions, everything necessary to be better than making new ships. JMO

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 15, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to be cynical, but one has to commend the Redskin organization for this effort. Way to go, great job.

Posted by: I_like_futbol_n_fubball

Actually it's NOT easy to be cynical,. It's a full time job with so much information to process.

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed the Aircraft Carriers of Love (ACOL) have so much traction on RI.

I suspect we'd get a lot more accomplished if we convinced certain unnamed arid regions to turn other unnamed arid regions in to glass reserves, and then our military would be freed up to do some Good Samaritan work.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

TMZ.com reports that as soon as Gil plead he received a text from Wizards stating he is in violation of his contract & they will attempt to terminate.

WHAT A POS Ernie Grunfeld is... F Ernie!

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/15/gilbert-arenas-pleads-guilty-to-felony-gun-charge/#continuedcontents

Posted by: tony325 | January 15, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Just because the guy can't run a team doesn't mean that he isn't a human being with a sense of common decency. This is a good move, not for Danny the owner but for Daniel the man.

Posted by: ericroks | January 15, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

My bad... that was text he received earlier... regarding Gil.

Posted by: tony325 | January 15, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Suh and McCoy figure to go off the board in the top five in April.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse


If anything, this is good news for the Skins to perhaps grab Okung.

The Rams aren't going to take him.

And I'm betting that the Bucs will have their eyes on one of the D-tackles considering their push for Albert Haynesworth last offseason.

The wild-card is Detroit. I'm kind of betting they grab Okung, but maybe they'll be in for a D-tackle too if McCoy's stock keeps rising.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually it's NOT easy to be cynical,. It's a full time job with so much information to process.

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse


Cork would know.

It's taken decades of focus and dedication to become the model of cynicism that he is today...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

TMZ.com reports that as soon as Gil plead he received a text from Wizards stating he is in violation of his contract & they will attempt to terminate.

WHAT A POS Ernie Grunfeld is... F Ernie!

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/15/gilbert-arenas-pleads-guilty-to-felony-gun-charge/#continuedcontents

Posted by: tony325 | January 15, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Wow. If TMZ is reporting it, it must be dead on.

While we're at it, what does Florio over at PFT have to say?

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Are skinball and zcezce still talking about aircraft carriers??

Posted by: p1funk

compared to the 'trade Cooley' talk, the aircraft carrier subject is refreshingly new

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Since "Bama" has been defined in this blog previously, I will assume you are not calling us all JELLY...

It's a small world after all. Have a good one

Posted by: ElYeah | January 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

X X XXXXXX X
Q

X
X

See this is what i am talking this set up will win us a super bowl...

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

We've all heard of the x's and o'x. Now we have to learn a whole new offense...x's and q's! JC will never handle it.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Toby Gearheart (RB/Stanford) declared for the draft. 2009 Doak Award (RB) winner, second in Heisman voting. He's white though, so he's probably going to have to play TE ...

(KIDDING! Sheeh, relax.)

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

... not for Danny the owner but for Daniel the man. ...

Posted by: ericroks | January 15, 2010 4:25 PM

I think that would be Mr. Snyder, The Owner ... and Dan the Man.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Are skinball and zcezce still talking about aircraft carriers??

Posted by: p1funk

compared to the 'trade Cooley' talk, the aircraft carrier subject is refreshingly new

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse


Well, I'm all for shutting down both discussions.

Trading Cooley is just dumb.

And the aircraft carrier one is...well, just kind of wierd...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

X X XXXXXX X
Q

X
X

See this is what i am talking this set up will win us a super bowl...

Posted by: skinball77 | January 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

We've all heard of the x's and o'x. Now we have to learn a whole new offense...x's and q's! JC will never handle it.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse
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No, see, 'x'es represent the defense, so that set up is pretty much straight outta the past season and a half...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

... not for Danny the owner but for Daniel the man. ...

Posted by: ericroks | January 15, 2010 4:25 PM

I think that would be Mr. Snyder, The Owner ... and Dan the Man.


Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse


Unless you're Greg Blache, then it's "my very good friend Mr. Snyder".

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard any good rumors on who the next oline coach is going to be?

Posted by: hudginsc | January 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Well done Mr. Snyder. Well done.

Posted by: JBuss | January 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This is great news! Possibly the best thing reported in the sports section in years.

Snyder should be commended and I hope his humanitarianism continues even after this crisis subsists.

Posted by: drischord | January 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The wild-card is Detroit. I'm kind of betting they grab Okung, but maybe they'll be in for a D-tackle too if McCoy's stock keeps rising.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There's hope!!!

http://www.freep.com/article/20100107/SPORTS01/1070418/1356/SPORTS/Schwartz-OT-Jeff-Backus-is-Lions-best-blocker

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Are skinball and zcezce still talking about aircraft carriers??

Posted by: p1funk

compared to the 'trade Cooley' talk, the aircraft carrier subject is refreshingly new

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse


Well, I'm all for shutting down both discussions.

Trading Cooley is just dumb.

And the aircraft carrier one is...well, just kind of wierd...

Posted by: p1funk

and there is the beauty of the blog, as voting really doesn't matter :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No, see, 'x'es represent the defense, so that set up is pretty much straight outta the past season and a half...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abu
Gotsha. As in, JC surrounded, and on his a$$.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The wild-card is Detroit. I'm kind of betting they grab Okung, but maybe they'll be in for a D-tackle too if McCoy's stock keeps rising.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There's hope!!!

http://www.freep.com/article/20100107/SPORTS01/1070418/1356/SPORTS/Schwartz-OT-Jeff-Backus-is-Lions-best-blocker

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse


I know.

I was actually about to post a retraction of my own b/c I did a little scanning around and discovered that they apparently really like Baukus and will probably look to bolster the D-line.

So if Clausen/Suh go to the Rams, and Detroit goes after Suh/McCoy.

We need to hope that one of the D-Tackles are still on the board for TB. Or maybe they go after Eric Berry?

I guess there's hope that Okung falls to us.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If we want to try to get a trade for our 4th pick, I think we should show some "serious interest" in Clausen. He could slip to 4th, and there might be a team out there that wants to climb up and grab him. If we don't show interest, then there would be no incentive for another team that wants him to climb above #5 KC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess there's hope that Okung falls to us.

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It just seems so shaky. I just don't see how they can say they really like Backus. It just seems like it has to be a smoke screen. I do have some hope though. I know they are stuck with his huge contract that he signed in 2006. They are paying him until 2012 no matter what. He also said he won't move inside to guard so I doubt they will pay him 5-6 mil a year to sit on the bench.

The Bucs had a bunch of safeties getting arrested and Ronde Barber is old as dirt now so Berry who supposedly can play both corner and safety could be invaluable to them. Suh would really help them regain some pass rush and help stop their run defense from bleeding like a stuck pig. They could still take a LT though. I wouldn't be surprised of they took Okung.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

It just seems so shaky. I just don't see how they can say they really like Backus. It just seems like it has to be a smoke screen. I do have some hope though. I know they are stuck with his huge contract that he signed in 2006. They are paying him until 2012 no matter what. He also said he won't move inside to guard so I doubt they will pay him 5-6 mil a year to sit on the bench.

The Bucs had a bunch of safeties getting arrested and Ronde Barber is old as dirt now so Berry who supposedly can play both corner and safety could be invaluable to them. Suh would really help them regain some pass rush and help stop their run defense from bleeding like a stuck pig. They could still take a LT though. I wouldn't be surprised of they took Okung.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 15, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Yeah. I guess I have to take the Bakus stuff at face value, but it's hard to imagine that they truly view him as a cornerston left tackle.

What ticks me off is seeing so many mock drafts that have the Skins taking Bradford at #4. I'd rather have Clausen if we must take a QB. I'd rather have a D-tackle. I'd rather have Eric berry.

If we take Bradford at #4, I'll be super pissed. It's just the kind of pick that reeks of Vinny C...

Posted by: p1funk | January 15, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

He wasnt touched. He was making a button hook spin cut to get separation from the LB. Look at the video.. If this is not out of the norm, we'd be carting off players every game with broken ankles. There is something wrong with the ligaments if they couldnt support the ankle. If anything, as you look at the video, it should of been a high ankle sprain..not a break. And I dont believe the ligaments tore?
My whole point to bringing this up was tied to the Trade Cooley discussion. Basically, now is not the time to do it.. As it is, most football personnel would see this freak break as a red flag for acquiring Cooley. And use it to drive down his value, considerably.
Let him recover fully, play and hopefully build value again, if he comes back as the old probowl Cooley.. And then the Skins can examine the situation in October at the trade deadline and see if some gaps need to be filled..and can a healthy Cooley command a 2nd round pick and/or comparable player versus, right now, probably no more than a 4th rounder.
I am a huge Cooley fan.. Hope he stays healthy and with the Skins... And that other teams can only wish they had him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyH9rQKEJo8
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cliftonbiz, please explain how a broken bone indicates ligament weakness issues? If anything him breaking his ankle like that indicates his ligaments are too strong for his bones where the competing forces of the various ligaments tore his bone. If he had severely sprained his ankle, i.e. tore his ligament, I'd agree with you.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 15, 2010 4:17 PM
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Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Is Toby Gerhart the RB Beast that was being compared to Riggins.. ??
Thunder and Lightening,
Gerhart and ???
Aldridge?, Mason?, Portis?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hCQGcqYoMj3mg1hlK3RgHKsPIAsw

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 15, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The Bucs had a bunch of safeties getting arrested
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Everyone get so upset when a player starts choking their wife

So when did the blog become NavyTalk.com?

How many airedales, bird farmers, skimmers and bubblehaeds are really out there?

and who is just a plain Charlie Sierra deck ape?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 15, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

A thumbs-up to Snyder for this move. I take back most of my criticisms of the last year :)

Posted by: randysbailin | January 15, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

A thumbs-up to Snyder for this move. I take back most of my criticisms of the last year :)

Posted by: randysbailin | January 15, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"An aircraft carrier can carry roughly 5,000 people, huge amounts of supplies and importantly, they create their own drinking water from sea water.

These carriers would be paid for by nations from around the world, staffed by people from around the world. Truly an international operation.

The real key is that these carriers can cover long distances in relatively short tine frames. A carrier that was in Virgina could have been in Haiti in a day. Another based in Brazil could have been there in a day. That would be 10,000 'boots on the ground', organized and dedicated to immediate relief. "


Okay so you have two aircraft carriers, each holds 5,000 people. You have 10,000 boots on the ground...

...why did you send out either:

A) 10000 people each wearing one boot?

or

B) 5,000 people wearing a pair of boots, and 5,000 people NOT wearing boots?

just asking...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 15, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

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