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Redskins Release Jason Taylor

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins released defensive end Jason Taylor today.

The team had wanted to add a clause to Taylor's contract that would have required him to participate in offseason workouts at Redskins Park for a bonus believed to be $500,000, team and league sources said. But Taylor declined to add that to the contract, the sources said, so the Redskins decided to part ways with him.

Taylor was due to make $8.5 million next season. His release was first reported by ESPN.

Taylor was injured and ineffective in his only season with the team in 2008. The Redskins gave up second- and sixth-round draft choices to acquire Taylor from the Miami Dolphins on the first day of training camp last summer.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  March 2, 2009; 4:53 PM ET
 
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About time, we can now use that $$ for something better and draft Orakpo.

Posted by: Iceman27 | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

First, second...who gives a rats a**...

Posted by: PEACE8 | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: BarackObama | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What's the cap impact? Good thing overall?

Posted by: skipper7 | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Epic Failure for Vinny.

Posted by: EckertA | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's about time, it's only been reported on every other sports outlet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

A glorious year. Fare thee well, Jason Taylor.

Posted by: Zornado | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Later Taylor - we need that cap space.

Posted by: SonnyFan | March 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Let me one of the first to say great move and lets get younger now and resign D. Evens. I just wish we did not give a second round pick for him.

Posted by: erron4 | March 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I was so jazzed when we made the move for him last summer, but this just goes to show how dumb I am. I should have known this would end this way. The thing that really sucks, is that Chris Canty just went off the market. What bad timing....

Posted by: webtechnical | March 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Well at least we only gave up a second and sixth round pick for a guy that did basically nothing. Well done again Vinny, you always seem to make great personnel moves.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll do EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE OFF-SEASON WORKOUTS for 8.5 mil!

WTF!


It might hurt us next year, but I don't want him on my team if that is his dedication! Dude is a FAKE! He said all the right things last year when he was injured, even said he WASN'T WORTH HIS CONTRACT. Then, we're still HAPPY to pay him the 8.5 mil, but we ask him to stop practicing his tap dance lessons and come to the NFC BEAST workouts and he flakes out! SEE YA LATER FAKER!


Antonio Smith signed for 7 mil, if we would've let JT go earlier we could've gotten Smith for 1.5 mil less, and he's younger (I'm assuming) and would be more productive! Argh!

Posted by: TheTruth11

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

good move.... do not sign Daniels, see if Evans will come back for a decent cap number. Trade out of first round to bottom of first for a late 2nd draft pick and some late picks. Trade next years number one for a high 2nd draft pick this year and some other picks. Hopefully some of these picks would make the team on merit (As opposed to last year).

12-4 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

jeeze, so dude didn't want to attend what is probably like 10-20 workouts in the off-season for EVEN MORE MONEY when he's already being overpaid?


is dude mentally challenged?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Epic Failure for Vinny.

Posted by: EckertA | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM |

Explain yourself or shutup.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Smith signed for 7 mil, if we would've let JT go earlier we could've gotten Smith for 1.5 mil less, and he's younger (I'm assuming) and would be more productive! Argh!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

That is the kind of thinking I am talking about. Way to use your noodle.


Posted by: rbruce2 | March 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

good move...cant pay a guy $8M+ if he is as ineffective as he was last year...

i believe it was the right move last year under the circumstances...and obviously a fluke that he had that compartment syndrome or whatever and i assumed that is what screwed his performance for the season and set low expectations for this year...that said...cant believe they were trying to keep him at $8M+...

should have asked him to take a pay cut or cut him...so i guess this is the same end..

we need the cap space to add value depth...expecially since we've given up so much on the 3 FAs already...

Posted by: deadskin | March 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Many folks up, prior to free agency, figured we needed to part company with Springs, Washngton, Taylor, Griffin and Jansen. 5 guys, all getting old in football terms, hit with injuries and getting paid a bunch.

Its a list that I agreed with.

Vinny is 3/5 of the way thru this list. He's gotten 2 replacements, in Albert and Dockery. Plus enough cap room for at least 1 more and perhaps 2 more players.

Letting Evans go FA never made sense, the guy was a value player, so the chances he returns are greater.

Not sure what is out there for OL, but my guess is there is another Kendall situation somewhere. Perhaps a vet RT unhappy where he is ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jason Reid,

Thanks for giving us an unbiased look at the Redskins. It is very refreshing read professional journalism on this "insiders" blog.

Sincerely,

Redskins fans

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why I am not sold on the AH signing.

the Skins FO gives us no reason to believe that they are better evaluators of talent than the rest of the league.

We spent big $$$ and a second round pick on a guy who came here for one year and produced virtually nothing.

If we had simply kept our guys at DE and the second round pick.... just how valuable does that second rounder look now?!


The Danny and Vinny think we are just one or two players away from a Super Bowl. They are wrong. Again.

.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

the 'offseason workout' thing had nothing to do with Taylor's release. Guess they didn't have time to come up with a better cover story.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

you people getting lathered up about why he turned this down are missing the point. He wanted out, wanted free agency so he could have more power in writing the final chapter to his career. The "why" details are irrelevant.

Now they need to resign Evans, like how they should have trusted him to start last season and keep the picks but i digress....and give some younger dudes a chance while keeping a cat like okrapopo (whateves) in the mix at #13...

could taylor have been productive this year? probably...but it was a bad fit all around and now we get more cap room back.

Did you all think AH/Hall/Dock wouldnt have reprucussions....they needed the shopping money...taylor needed his freedom..

this is all obvious stuff...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah this looks like an excuse to cut him to me....OS what did that do for the cap....Where are we at? What did the cut svae NOW for getting anothe DE

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I was so jazzed when we made the move for him last summer, but this just goes to show how dumb I am. I should have known this would end this way. The thing that really sucks, is that Chris Canty just went off the market. What bad timing....

Posted by: webtechnical


I felt the same way. And now, afetr paying him 8M to sit on his a.. he can't come to practice in the off season-thanks for nothing. Lets use the 8M on a few good FA's and get up for the draft.

Posted by: jandlml | March 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Value your draft picks! The Skins are never one player away!

How do you think I got my online name?

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

leevi,

It cleared up 8.5mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Great timing, after Canty is gone to the Giants. Another wasted high draft pick. Better sign Demetric Evans back.

Posted by: jgluke | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I am now convinced that our team is once again sailing without a map. There is clearly ZERO overall vision here. Taylor should have done his damn job, but for christ's sake, all anyone was talking about a couple days ago is how Haynesworth was going to help Taylor and Carter. Well, looks like that won't be the case. Can we waste any more draft picks on stupid ideas? I mean come on! A second round pick and a sixth round pick and what did it get us? Three sacks. Pathetic.

Posted by: rawk | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Let that old dog hunt some place else. This clown took the money and ran. Maybe he can do some half time dance contests now that he is a free agent. I'm sure no other NFL team wants this dancing fool

Posted by: mike1ad | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Explain yourself or shutup.

Posted by: Flounder21

Well, one year and 3.5 sacks for a 2nd round plus.

This deal stunk from day one - and anyone with any sense knew that.

Let's not get stupid all of a sudden people.

Vinny has roled the dice big time betting $100M on a lazy DE.

If AH fails, Vinny will be the worst NFL GM of all time.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Parcells jobbed us. Taylor also jobbed us.

I don't blame the Redskins for this one, because in case anybody forgot, the Skins lost 2 DL starters in training camp last year and were in dire need of a DE. Taylor seemed to fit the bill, but he got hurt early, and apparently now has too much money to work out in the offseason.

I don't think Taylor was ineffective, he did have quite a few PD as well as some sacks, including a key sack late in the year against PHL. That said, he certainly wasn't the guy most people (excepting Parcells) thought the Redskins were getting.

The FO must have seen something more than just workouts to take the cap hit.

OK, he's Deion II...

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

despite Parcells obviously being the big winner here, but I'm very happy he's gone. His 8 mil of cap space will buy us 3 or 4 more players that will be on the team for several years as opposed to one year of under performing for 8 million.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

No more than ever I believe we will trade our 2010 first rounder for a high second round this year. If Smith and orakpo are gone at 13 trade down and try the whole multiple second round picks again. Except this time I want the ugly guys(as in larger guys who like to do battle).

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"About time, we can now use that $$ for something better and draft Orakpo.

Posted by: Iceman27 | March 2, 2009"

The Orapko types never cease to amaze me? He will play for a team that will be lucky to get 2 wins.

You have an offensive line where your two best guys are coming off of surgeries. Both have been on the IR twice in the last 3 or 4 years. (Samuels and Thomas). The rest a average to poor. You have no right tackle. You now have a left guard (finally). You have a center that was released by the Ravens because they drafted guys who turned out to be better ... like Brown. There is no depth to speak of beyond Heyer. Geisinger, Kendall? Fabrini? Rhinehart the flop 3rd rounder? Devin Clark, Batiste? Will Montgomery? Jansen is pretty much done because of his injuries and time spent on IR.

I am tired of the grammar school/ junior high types ... :)

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if Taylor wanted out. He's not getting $8.5 mil anywhere else and its not like he's got a bunch more big paydays left to go.

The Skins mgmt, however ... hard to justify keeping him at his salary number.

Yup, this deal will always look like the disaster it turned out to be.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

leevi,

It cleared up 8.5mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM


Flounder,

We spent a second and sixth rounder on the guy and got zero. The FO is mortgaging the future in the hopes they can win now with big signings.

If we had kept D Evans on the DE and kept the draft picks... how good would we be looking? But no. Danny has to go out and grab whatever is bright and shiny.


.

Didn't work for the Yankees - won't work here.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

To be real. It wasn't a bad move to get him because after the injuries we needed someone and he was available. It wasnt a bad move to keep him because I think he would have had a better year than last year if AH stays healthy and is as much a force as he was with the titans. I also think it wasn't a bad move to get rid of him because of his age and lack of commitment to his conditioning seeing he has yet to prove his worth in DC. We cant go by you miami numbers. I wish the best for JT.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has roled the dice big time betting $100M on a lazy DE.

If AH fails, Vinny will be the worst NFL GM of all time.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM |

Well first of all he is a DT, and the best one in the entire league.

But your right he is lazy.

It's not 100mil do you people understand english, he will only see 48mil at the most.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure no other NFL team wants this dancing fool"

yeah right keep telling yourself that.....

look i like the move to cut him b/c of needed cap resources...although a lack of strategic vision is painfully obvious...

but stop fooloing yourself that he is done in the NFL

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Let Evans test the market, see what he's worth, and tell him you'll match whatever he can get.

By the way, signing any of the other DEs already off the market would have been just as bad. Almost as expensive for the same production, only for another 5-6 years.

Play-by-play of what will come. Torry Holt and Orlando Pace get cut, Synder snatches both up for reasonable contracts, Skins target Orakpo in the draft and pick up a vet OLB in FA.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

old,

I agree that the inital move was stupid, but unlike you I know that there is nothing that can be done about the past.

So instaed of wasting another 8.5mil the smart move was to cut his a$$.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I am speculating (hoping) that this move was done because we are about to announce another signing. Maybe Cato June or another DE.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

This organization sucks. We give up a 2nd and 6th for an unproductive year, then cut the guy two days after we could have signed Canty for less money than we paid Taylor. Should have cut him last week and signed Canty, who's young and proven and can play inside or out.

Also, for those of you saying that it's good because we can get 3-4 players for that money...where? From the 4 draft picks we have when we have holes all over the o-line too? Most of the good FAs are gone now, so forget them.

Posted by: jgperras | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I thought the AH signing was going to help Taylor. I know he sucked last year but why cut him while we have nothing behind him. I smell a big trade coming on. Maybe for Peppers...

Posted by: Ohioskin | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"If AH fails, Vinny will be the worst NFL GM of all time.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009"

WRONG. Vinnie is not the GM. The worst GM OF ALL-TIME IS indeed Daniel J. Snyder (known also
as Snidely Owl in Rockville). Vinnie is just his "Igor".

This move, appears to indicate that Snyder isn't done signing guys yet. We'll have to see if he goes after a linebacker (Bart Scott is gone I sure hope it won't be Lewis ... I don't know if Suggs has been signed yet?)

Maybe more OL. That is the pressing need.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

As mentioned when it happend, one of the worst trades in the history of the Redskins. :(

That 2nd reounder looks so huge now, I wish they hadn't panicked and just went with what they had.

You never tradde a high pick for someone that old. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Let that OLD DOG hunt some where else. This clown doesn't want to play football. He took the money and ran. Maybe he can get a job dancing for the half time shows. No other football team is going to pay this clown 8 Million Dollars to run away from the other teams players. See later Jason, you old DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mike1ad | March 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

First, I was never sold on Canty to begin with. If Snyder wanted him....HE WOULD HAVE GOT HIM. (We all know this as fact)

Second, One of Jason Taylor biggest problems, aside from injury, was not bonding with his teammates...HE NEEDED MORE THAN ANYTHING TO WORK WITH HIS TEAMMATES DURING THE OFF-SEASON. (Taylor was more of a Redskins Outsider than even JLC was last year.)

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Next year Jansen, Griffin, Smooth, Randy Thomas, Todd Collins, London Fletcherand Portis will be cut and we will take the cap hit in the uncapped year. However we should have a lot money going forward to sign some younger players.

12-4 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

That second round pick we gave up for his one partial-season could've been used to draft a low-priced, solid 5+ year starter. We are the eternal 8-8 team.

Posted by: bdeco | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

He can join R Gardner, M Westbrook, and T Jacobs, and C Russell in the redskins' witless wideout protection program.

My sarcasm ends there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 3:28 PM |

Yeah. And you and your posts can join the witless RI protection program. Think of the upside - you be able to play checkers all day with JLC!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

There is a big slash reason for this....put your seat belt something big is coming

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Jason left the Fins his reason being he wanted to be on a team that was a contender.
One year then nothing. The Fins had a good year.

Posted by: jscroggin | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I said last year that trade smacked of desperation the day after a major injury and we'd regret it. Well, I guess Vinny's figured that out a year after me, and I don't make 1/10th of what he does. Vinny makes Trader Jim Bowden look like a genius by comparison.

The Skins need to re-sign Kendall as a backup, release Jansen and spend their first pick on a OL. Especially now that apparently Bugel's told people that that kid out of Northern Iowa they drafted last year can't play in the NFL.

I don't want any more free agents headed to Redskins Park unless it's Ray Lewis. The Skins need to park the airplane and focus on the draft.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Taylor will go somewhere for $1-2 million plus incentives. Never made sense the Skins would keep a guy on the roster that no one else would pay half that amount.

I'm guess the question all along was 'when should we release Taylor?'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Funny, we coulda drafted Quentin Groves or Calais Campbell and had a serviceable NFL player for a few years. Instead, we spent our 2nd rounders on Sleepy, Dopey, and Gimpy and have no 2nd rounder this year. That's super smart.

Remember when Justin Geisinger had to come in and block Terrell Suggs? What's going to be this year's Official Vinny Cerrato Salary Cap Moment to Remember?

Posted by: Zornado | March 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Finally, Anyone we sign is going to look like a Pro Bowler getting to playing next to Haynesworth.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Here are the two guys they may be looking at:

Offensive line

Harvey Dahl: Falcons have placed a second-round tender on this restricted free agent guard/tackle, but he could be worth it. He is a big, nasty player who was very responsible for Michael Turner's big season.

With this guy, who is still pretty young, you would just need a great tackle in the draft. Perhaps a center.


Quarterbacks

Byron Leftwich: He likely will wait to find a situation where a starter is on shaky ground and he could emerge as a starter.

Here's the guy you want to compete with JC for the starters job.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

flounder - no doubt about it - cutting him was the right thing to do.

however we can look at the decisions by the FO and come to some conclusions.... Such as they have yet to make one midnight, big $$$ signing that has worked.


Other teams could have matched our money and chose not to.

The FO has made so many mistakes and busted on so many gambles that the only conclusion you come up with is that they are not in the class of the NFL.


Remember that old saying.... If you are at the poker table and you can't spot the sucker, its you!


Danny and Vinny have yet to spot the sucker...


.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

While I would have loved to have seen Taylor given another shot, he wasn't worth the $8.5 million. The Skins should take that money and bring back Evans and sign Willis. Then with whats left over and look to sign a veteran corner and another DE as those are two positions we need some depth at.

Posted by: Steveo11 | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

First, I was never sold on Canty to begin with. If Snyder wanted him....HE WOULD HAVE GOT HIM. (We all know this as fact)

Second, One of Jason Taylor biggest problems, aside from injury, was not bonding with his teammates...HE NEEDED MORE THAN ANYTHING TO WORK WITH HIS TEAMMATES DURING THE OFF-SEASON. (Taylor was more of a Redskins Outsider than even JLC was last year.)

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

And you know this because what? You wee on the team? In the locker room? Road together to practices? Hung out with Bubba the tranier...????

Get a grip you don't know JACK!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

When the Nats have breaking news Chico is normally the first to break it.

When the Wiz have breaking news Ivan or Mike are normally the first to break it.

When the Caps have breaking news Tarik is normally the first to break it.

When the Skins have breaking news its a rarity to find it here first. Why isnt this blog in the same place as the others on the Post? Could it be the writers dont have the same passion for the team they are covering as say Chico, Ivan, Mike or Tarik???

HEY JOE! Put someone on this beat that will provide info in the same manner as the other scribes under your wing. The Jason's and their constant pessimistic outlooks on all thing Redskins is beyond old. Would it hurt to have a positive spin on a story from time to time?

Posted by: DMoney28 | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Taylor was tj Ducket redux

over freaking out in training camp over injuries when we had capable players on the roster and sacrificing high draft picks in the process.

I mean D Evans beat Taylor out, so he couldnt have been trusted to start...would the seasons result been any different.

the issue isnt judging individual moves, Snyder/cerrato's problem is lack of strategic vision. They react rather than plan. they freak out and distrust their own previous moves. they are schizophrentic.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's about time, it's only been reported on every other sports outlet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

So why don't you spend your time at "every other sports outlet" instead of this one? Seriously, go away. Forever. And ever. Never post here again. You're not welcome here.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get stupid all of a sudden people.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009 5:06 PM

I've been working to get stupid for some time now.

At the time of the move (when Phillip Daniels got hurt), it was a good thing that the Skins had the money to show Jason Taylor ... it coulda/shoulda/woulda been a great year ... but for that compartment thing.

It mostly sucks now that he's leaving without having played an $8M season ... and taking those two draft picks with him ... and, with the benefit of hindsight, Evans could have replaced Daniels just fine.

I feel nothing but doom right now. Its just karma (the bad kind) visiting and re-visiting itself on The Owner. Even the silver purse -- having Jason Taylor available when Daniels went down -- turned into a sow's ear (the compartment thing).

Then, just as we are forgetting the closing credits on the Bruce Smith story (on his way into the HoF) ... they already start running the previews for the Albert Haynesworth story.

Doom.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's about time, it's only been reported on every other sports outlet.

Posted by: Flounder21

We're all sick of your carping, Flounder. Submit a resume or shut the h!ll up. We GET it. All the Vinnie Suckers keep trying to divert attention to a reporter's purported shortcomings, instead of the Bozos whose shortcomings he's reporting. It's easier to do that than say something semi-profound about what it means to the team.

It's old. How old? Older than my b!tching about your b!tching.


Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

oldnova

With all due respect it is easy to sound smarter than Vinny when we have the luxury of hindsight. What move would you have done after you best interior linemen went down in training camp and JT was available? Other than Chris Jenkins what name would have come to mind? And at the time you would have gone with JT over Jenkins based on the resume. We all are smarter than Vinny and every other coach and player on these message boards after the fact. Some of us can hardly manage our own lives and families from day to day but we still think we are soo smart can be owners, GM's and coaches or managers of NFL, NBA and MLB franchises better than the people who actually are. Yet we would not allow Vinny or Danny or Abe or Ernie to tell us how to do our jobs and they for the most part are at least twice as successful in their careers as most of us.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what people say on here...This move was a mistake FOR THIS SEASON unless they replace him with a solid DE stud....

He will sign with the damn Giants and line up on Jenson and we will watch this foool tear up Campbell...And all of you will be sitting here complaining again..with your finger up your butt!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The DE position, as of now, has Carter, Wilson, Jackson, Busbee, Daniels ... am I missing anyone

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Alex Buzbee must be doing one-legged back flips. :)

Posted by: gipped1984 | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't want any more free agents headed to Redskins Park unless it's Ray Lewis. The Skins need to park the airplane and focus on the draft.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM |

Thats just what we need a old MLB we already have a great MLB.

It's only been reported on here 10,000 times that Jansen can't be released because of salary cap. Next year for Jansen.

Oh and Buges never said the kid could not play, he said the kid needs some more time to get ready.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Is there a reason no one is talking about Cato June? He was a beast with the Colts I know he had 2 sub par years with TB but he is still a solid young(29) OLB, and he is from DC, even just for depth purposes.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler.

NOW!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

8 million for 2.5 sacks last year? and we wanted to bring him back for big money and a bonus to work out during the off season? no wonder this team is destined for failure beginning with DAN SNYDER and his lap puppy VINNY

Posted by: waylonfan | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason has too much going on with his family firmly planted in South Florida and any post-football, post-dancing with stars, pre-hollywood business he needs to take care of for after football.

So long 99

Posted by: jfern03 | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Im 50/50 on this. I really thought this year Taylor was going to preform at the level he is known for, and with the recent addition of Haynesworth to the line, we were lookin mean. I think he would be very effective and would have worked well. the other side of me says if you wont come to offseason work outs for a $500,000 "BONUS" then good riddance to ya.

1. I know you werent to blame for someone stepping on your calf last year which hindered your season, but you didnt have a good year. go to camp and get ready to compete for a possible championship season.
2. Ever think as a veteran, they may be doing this as a leadership role for the other guys with a few more years left (or not running of to go dancing).

Jason Taylor, you have let me down. I thought you were better than this.

Posted by: erleach | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

His 8 mil of cap space will buy us 3 or 4 more players that will be on the team for several years as opposed to one year of under performing for 8 million.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 5:07 PM

Or buy us 80% of Haynesworth's ... we were already over the cap! Those 3 or 4 players? We let the ones with promise go! [Or trade them before they even get drafted].

Doom.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder, I hate you, you are a $#%^head.
Vinny Cerrato, I hate you too, you are also a #@&%head

We meed to be like the Packers and make this team a public organization or whatever it is they have.

Posted by: VAtoLA | March 2, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't want any more free agents headed to Redskins Park unless it's Ray Lewis.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis is a true MLB and so is London Fletcher. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, for those of you saying that it's good because we can get 3-4 players for that money...where? From the 4 draft picks we have when we have holes all over the o-line too? Most of the good FAs are gone now, so forget them.

Posted by: jgperras | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Ray Willis T
Khalif Barnes T
Crowell OLB
Freddy Keiaho OLB
Cato June OLB
Shaun Cody DE
Olshansky DE
Evans DE
Daniels DE
JJ Arington RB
Derrick Ward RB


Still very decent options out there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I wonder about Jake Grove and Kwame Harris who are both still young and out in Oakland.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I think its a good move, but why is everyone bashing the signing to Taylor in the 1st place? If this guy had given us 75% of his historical output, everyone would say its a great deal. Folks, the guy got hurt. This move saves us 8.5 on the cap, which can be used to get players we need. As for signing Canty, if we did get him and he got 3 sacks for us, would we not all be saying Canty and the Redskins suck? Yes Vinnie and Danny have not done the best job, but there are some moves that many of us here on the blog would have made that did not turn out so hot. And AH's contract really is 4/48 million. That sounds good to me, as Jared Allen makes more than that, and J. Peppers here in Charlotte is going to break the bank. My point is, we need to evalute moves on a case by case basis, not painting every move with a hateful brush. My two cents from Charlotte,NC.

Posted by: dolemite1 | March 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

You have to be kidding me! So we lose more draft picks for a player(money hungery) that last only a year. VINNY MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: C70882 | March 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Has the team changed names to the "Washington Mediocrats" yet?

Posted by: jfern03 | March 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

sween, the marcus washington and springs releases put us in compliance. Releasing Taylor is 8 million is savings to spend more.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins and Vinny are totally reactive versus pro-active.

Case in point:

Acquire two WR's and TE in 2008 draft and add zero depth to D line. Don't tell me Jackson was depth.

Add JT for picks in 2009, cut him when he doesn't produce at age 34. What DE's perform at high levels at 34 anyway? Can't name too many not named White or Strahan.

Just one of many examples...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

So why don't you spend your time at "every other sports outlet" instead of this one? Seriously, go away. Forever. And ever. Never post here again. You're not welcome here.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM |

Hey there dumba$$, I post on here everyday so I'm much more valuable then some idiot who I have never seen a post from before today.

I don't come here because of breaking news I come here to talk Redskins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"If AH fails, Vinny will be the worst NFL GM of all time.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009"

WRONG. Vinnie is not the GM. The worst GM OF ALL-TIME IS indeed Daniel J. Snyder (known also
as Snidely Owl in Rockville). Vinnie is just his "Igor".

This move, appears to indicate that Snyder isn't done signing guys yet. We'll have to see if he goes after a linebacker (Bart Scott is gone I sure hope it won't be Lewis ... I don't know if Suggs has been signed yet?)

Maybe more OL. That is the pressing need.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

OK, I stand corrected.

AH is not a pass rusher - he is a tremendous and lazy middle clogger who plays 2 out 3 plays. And right, it $41M, but I believe Snyder is totally rolling the dice on the uncapped year. If that falls apart, he's in big cap trouble with an old team.

So, now who is goin' to rush on the edge?

Plus, what about the offense? Our moves there are Dockery, the red-shirts, and the draft pick? Not enough...

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler.

NOW!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009"

NO, NO, and NO. I'd rather use the pick on Harvey Dahl of Atlanta. BrokenClipboard indeed.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone ever defend Vinny or Danny Boy any longer? They are both idiots. They treat the Redskins like it is fantasy football. Vinny gave up a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor, who did NOTHING last year. The 13th pick in the 2nd round this year could have been a starting linebacker (by the way, who plays linebacker this year? Khary Campbell???) or a starting DE for years to come. Or another lineman for depth or to start at RT. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid Vinny and Danny are. As long as they are running the team, our beloved Redskins will be nothing more than a 2nd round playoff team at best.

Posted by: btisinge | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Jason Taylor, you have let me down. I thought you were better than this.

Posted by: erleach | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse
"

Wow get over youself award winner here. I mean are you serious? Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Releasing Taylor and having Evans go FA has left 2 holes in the DE rotation. I doubt Vinny wanted that to happen. My guess is he was keeping Taylor until he could identify a cheaper replacement.

My guess is they've identified that replacement and have some sort of tentative deal in place. We'll all know shortly. Wouldn't be surprised if Evans is signed within the day.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Are they about to trade for J Peppers??????

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

periculum,
please get off the B.Leftwich bandwagon. He SUCKS!!!! We dont need another 5 second release guy. We have Campbell

Posted by: Ohioskin | March 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

oldnova

With all due respect it is easy to sound smarter than Vinny when we have the luxury of hindsight. What move would you have done after you best interior linemen went down in training camp and JT was available? Other than Chris Jenkins what name would have come to mind? And at the time you would have gone with JT over Jenkins based on the resume. We all are smarter than Vinny and every other coach and player on these message boards after the fact......

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:16 PM

Dear ged0386,

With all due respect, I am/was not alone in panning the FO's choices. Many of us here can spot a sucker and Danny and Vinny are it.

I am not going to challenge you to go back and look at all my postings but if you do you will find that my analysis has been more right than wrong. And I am not alone in this... others on this board have written about how messed up the FO is.

To make my point clearly.... Every FO gets steamrolled every now and then. However every FO also has steamrolled others....

Just what team have we steamrolled with a FO move? None. Zero. Nada. We are at the bottom of the "FO poker room" standings.


.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

As a Dolphins fan, I'm loving every minute of this. So long twinkle-toes.

Posted by: tigger0705 | March 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the DE's will look like this:

Montgomery (replacing Evans), Carter, Daniels, Jackson, and Wilson.

I SUSPECT that the Danny will be looking into linebacker help over the OL which is in desperate need.

If they pick up some FA help for the OL then we may see the Orapko pick. But the OL has to be addressed first.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

Thank you for at least acknowledging what most of us felt at the time was a good move. And I think he would have played better this season with Haynesworth. We complain when we dont get rid of players then we complain when we do. No one gave a darn about Ryan Clark when the redskins got rid of him and everyone thought Archeletta was a good pickup when we got him. We have the luxury of not actually having to make a decision when it counts and take responsibility for it. We have the luxury of waiting for the results, then changing our opinions just to make ourselves feel more intelligent or knowledgeable. Sometimes I wish I could save some of you posters previous post that you submit months before the season starts then compare them with your current post. Just so we can see how average and below average we really are with our sports acumen.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Next year Jansen, Griffin, Smooth, Randy Thomas, Todd Collins, London Fletcherand Portis will be cut and we will take the cap hit in the uncapped year. However we should have a lot money going forward to sign some younger players.

12-4 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to regret the fact that I voted for you.

Posted by: buke | March 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

I see JLC gave you a snow day, I'm surprised he didn't have you shoveling his driveway.

I guess the redskin Insider is not suppose to break redskin stories.

maybe if he wasn't such a d!ck to the FO's they would throw him a bone.

Keep up the good work Cork, I'm sure JLC appreciates it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Jason Taylor, you have let me down. I thought you were better than this.

Posted by: erleach

You assume that the story you read was real. Bad assumption

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Terrible trade that didn't work out. Cutting Taylor actually speaks well of Vinny. My fear was that we'd keep a player who couldn't really help the Skins just because we way overpaid for him. Keeping him this year would have been just throwing good money after bad. By some accounts that now give the Skins $12 million in cap space. I expect that the Skins will use it. Don't forget that we may have to match offers for Monty, Golston, Evans - all guys we should try to keep. That we were able to do everything we've done so far WITHOUT cutting Taylor means we can still be big players. $8.5 million in cap space can probably pay for one more higher impact player and a couple of middle impact players.

Posted by: thinker11 | March 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

And you know this because what? You wee on the team? In the locker room? Road together to practices? Hung out with Bubba the tranier...????

Get a grip you don't know JACK!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Are you only MORON on this planet that didn't see him standing alone at practice and sitting by himself at the end of the bench during games?!!

Were you not here for the 2008 season?!!

Please offer a counter-argument, but you can't because that you lack both the evidence and the intellect!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

+++Epic Failure for Vinny.

Posted by: EckertA | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM |

Explain yourself or shutup.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

How about if I take this one, EckertA.

It's an epic failure because the redskins spent $8,ooo,ooo and two draft picks for a guy whose main contribution was helping the Redskinettes with their Rhumba lessons.

It's an epic failure because Vinny thought a 240-pound DE could stand the beating the NFC assures.

It's an epic failure because Vinny thought Demetric Evans wasn't good enough to replace Daniels.

It's an Epic failure because, after shifting to building through the draft, Vinny panicked and shifted back again, squandering a major potential rebuilding part for this year's draft.

It's an Epic Failure because Epics, unlike sonnets, require many parts to reach the whole. And his other failures are part of the piece.

It's an Epic Failure because he waited until other good DE's were snapped up before pulling the trigger.

It's an Epic failure because it is a pissant little claus he used as an excuse to dump Taylor...or it's a leson learned a year too late from Bill Parcells, i.e., if your players wont' give 100% in the off-season, you can't expect them to give 100% duing the regular season.

How's that?


Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

This just in: Redskins GM seen beating himself with the stupid stick!

Posted by: pharrrrtt | March 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Flound, I agree with you 1000% percent,
This is a FOOTBALL blog, where we talk about FOOTBALL. I know all of our rights and everything but if this blog is not good enough for you, it doesn't cost you anything to come here and it won't cost you anything to leave.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The only people that have let down the Redkins fans are Dan Snyder and his racquetball buddy Vinny Cerrato...only the Skins would have been stupid enough to give up a No. 2 and No. 6 for a 34-year old DE whose best days were behind him. Redskin trades of 2009 draft picks as follows:

No. 2 - Jason Taylor (cut after one season)
No. 4 - Pete Kendall (2 seasons and gone)
No. 7 - Erasmus James (didn't last a year)

There is a reason why the Skins are mediocre year after year while the Giants, Philly, and Dallas improve. Canty signed with NY even knowing he wouldn't start and Keith Brookings will be starting at LB for Dallas. The Redskins could have had both if they didn't go overboard with Haynesworth.

We're way over the cap again with major holes at O-Line, DE, and LB, plus no depth at safety. Not to mention we need a new punter and probably a kicker.

Way to go Danny and Vinny - you've just bought another 8-8 team for 2009!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

sween, the marcus washington and springs releases put us in compliance. Releasing Taylor is 8 million is savings to spend more.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 5:21 PM

They also had to commit to repackaging deals with ARE, Carter, Griffin, Samuels (I feel like I'm missing someone) to backload, i.e., move out of this year's cap, to get there. That maybe doesn't sound like a big deal, except that the backloading puts a high premium on the guy actually being healthy enough to play games (and well) in those backloaded years. See Jansen. Jansen's current backloaded deal (money that he should have been paid previously, like when he actually could play) makes him un-cuttable. Its fine in games against other nursing homes, but sometimes you get roster holes.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ged0386 -

"No one gave a darn about Ryan Clark when the redskins got rid of him and everyone thought Archeletta was a good pickup when we got him."


VERY VERY WRONG!

While we all loved the Arch move, we all also seriously dissed letting Ryan Clark get away.

What posts have you been reading? It was even in the WP that Clark was the mental anchor for Sean Taylor and they foresaw Taylor having a tough adjustment without Clark.

Same goes for Antonio Pierce... No one wanted to see him go...

Have you been drinking "Danny Koolaid" again???


.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Release of JT...timing????...sucks!
Holes...OT,OLB,P,H,DE,OG,depth.
Wish list...all of the above.
MGT. ineptitude...constant!
Plan...who knows????
How's MIA 2nd from WAS look now?

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | March 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Houston Texans pondering going the restricted free agent route and parting with a fifth-round pick to try to sign defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery away from Washington?

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The best thing the Redskins could do would be to explore a trade. I would like to see the Redskins trade the #13 pick to the Bills for tackle Jason Peters and the Bills 3rd round pick.

Use the two 3rd round picks for a DE & OLB.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | March 2, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

ged0386....

And just who claimed last years draft to be a success?

Not the people on this blog, I assure you.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"No one gave a darn about Ryan Clark when the redskins got rid of him and everyone thought Archeletta was a good pickup when we got him."

thanks for speaking for everyone.....glad to hear i am not everyone...never liked that scene...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Is there a reason no one is talking about Cato June? He was a beast with the Colts I know he had 2 sub par years with TB but he is still a solid young(29) OLB, and he is from DC, even just for depth purposes.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse


I tried that but every one either wants to hate on JLC or discuss the merits of a very unlikely Cutler trade.

Posted by: buke | March 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I was one who thought the Taylor deal was a good one ... because I didn't see it as a move in isolation. I saw it as a sign that they were going to make more moves to compete -- like trade for an unhappy Anquan Boldin from AZ ... but nothing more happened. When they kept all the drafted rookies, it was pretty clear that Taylor was a bridge to nowhere. An old vet on a team that couldn't figure out if it was rebuilding or making a run for the brass ring.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear ged0386,

With all due respect, I am/was not alone in panning the FO's choices. Many of us here can spot a sucker and Danny and Vinny are it.

I am not going to challenge you to go back and look at all my postings but if you do you will find that my analysis has been more right than wrong. And I am not alone in this... others on this board have written about how messed up the FO is.

To make my point clearly.... Every FO gets steamrolled every now and then. However every FO also has steamrolled others....

Just what team have we steamrolled with a FO move? None. Zero. Nada. We are at the bottom of the "FO poker room" standings.


.


Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the point is WE GET IT!!!!!!! Shut up about we all know it...but we don't have to talk about 24 hours a day every year.....we are bored and tired of that same old conversation...Get it?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

+++Epic Failure for Vinny.

Posted by: EckertA | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM |

Explain yourself or shutup.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

How about if I take this one, EckertA.

It's an epic failure because the redskins spent $8,ooo,ooo and two draft picks for a guy whose main contribution was helping the Redskinettes with their Rhumba lessons.

It's an epic failure because Vinny thought a 240-pound DE could stand the beating the NFC assures.

It's an epic failure because Vinny thought Demetric Evans wasn't good enough to replace Daniels.

It's an Epic failure because, after shifting to building through the draft, Vinny panicked and shifted back again, squandering a major potential rebuilding part for this year's draft.

It's an Epic Failure because Epics, unlike sonnets, require many parts to reach the whole. And his other failures are part of the piece.

It's an Epic Failure because he waited until other good DE's were snapped up before pulling the trigger.

It's an Epic failure because it is a pissant little claus he used as an excuse to dump Taylor...or it's a leson learned a year too late from Bill Parcells, i.e., if your players wont' give 100% in the off-season, you can't expect them to give 100% duing the regular season.

How's that?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That's about as accurate as it gets here folks...

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone say Julius Peppers??????

I CAN

Posted by: pk_1119 | March 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

ged0386, at the time, I thought it was stupid to let Ryan Clark go. He was completely serviceable. [It was Walt Harris who I thought was the problem that should be let go ... my bad there.]

The year they signed ARE, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd to the absurd contracts, my only thought (other than for ARE, who I liked as a Big Ten guy and from his Super Bowl) was they gave that much to WHO? [At the time, Mike Nolan was shocked that anyone was even interested, much less willing to pay that much money for Carter and Lloyd.]

Doom.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler. Trade for Cutler.

NOW!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009"

NO, NO, and NO. I'd rather use the pick on Harvey Dahl of Atlanta. BrokenClipboard indeed.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM

How often is a Pro-Bowl 25 year old QB, who has a great 10-12 more years in the NFL available or possibly available? I like Jason Campbell and I'm one against all these big name signings and keeping our picks and building a program here, but this is a golden opportunity to be set at the most important position for quite awhile.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Another stupid move,wasting draft picks and money etc;,just like for the RB,who I can't even think of his name now a couple of years ago. They screw so much stuff up,even with all these moves it's hard to think they won't backfire either.

Posted by: ridgely1 | March 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

If you are bored and tired, then leave leevi.


What a little girl.


.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

No. 4 - Pete Kendall (2 seasons and gone)
No. 7 - Erasmus James (didn't last a year)

Isn't that what most 4th and 7th round picks do?

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Just what team have we steamrolled with a FO move? None. Zero. Nada. We are at the bottom of the "FO poker room" standings.

Posted by: oldnova"

Well we let Derrick Dockery leave in 2007, received a 3rd round compensatory pick as a result, then he got cut and we re-signed him for half the price. Net gain, one 3rd rounder and a half-price Derrick Dockery. Score one for the FO.

Deangelo Hall -- we opted not to outbid the Raiders, who gave up a 2nd round pick to Atlanta. Within half a season, Hall was cut, we signed him for a prorated vet min contract, then re-signed him again for 3/4 of the contract he received in Oakland. Count the bucket -- FO.

We swapped Lavaerneus Coles for Santana Moss straight up. Lavernaeus Coles was recently released. Santana Moss remains our #1 option. Behind the arc, the FO hits a tre.

Just this offseason, the FO restructured 4 long-term contracts in order to provide millions in cap relief THIS season, AND provide the team an out for releasing the players in a shorter time than they would have been able to before. Win-win. Huge marks for the FO there.

Don't be so blinded by your hatred for the FO to skew your judgment. If you're as on-point as you seem to believe, you wouldn't have made such an ignorantly blanket generalization. This FO misses a lot, but it also has its fair share of hits. Half the team is real, genuine talent, and they weren't acquired by chance. If you're going to critique the FO, at least be complete.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The only people that have let down the Redkins fans are Dan Snyder and his racquetball buddy Vinny Cerrato...only the Skins would have been stupid enough to give up a No. 2 and No. 6 for a 34-year old DE whose best days were behind him. Redskin trades of 2009 draft picks as follows:

No. 2 - Jason Taylor (cut after one season)
No. 4 - Pete Kendall (2 seasons and gone)
No. 7 - Erasmus James (didn't last a year)

There is a reason why the Skins are mediocre year after year while the Giants, Philly, and Dallas improve. Canty signed with NY even knowing he wouldn't start and Keith Brookings will be starting at LB for Dallas. The Redskins could have had both if they didn't go overboard with Haynesworth.

We're way over the cap again with major holes at O-Line, DE, and LB, plus no depth at safety. Not to mention we need a new punter and probably a kicker.

Way to go Danny and Vinny - you've just bought another 8-8 team for 2009!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to take your opinions seriously when your name is wizfan...cause thats a franchise to be proud of and create a name with LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

TheCork speaks well and true.

So it shall be said. So it shall be written!

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

From several posts up - I may be drawing a mental blank here, but what postion is an H? Hiker?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

leevi, dude relax, dont read if its not fun....all you do is complain about people having any opinion....you know you dont have to read right?

you are as cranky as 95 year old dude with a swollen prostrate....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be awesome when the Patriots sign this guy and he gets 12 sacks!!!

This franchise is lost!! You give a 2 this year and a 6 next year and then you let this guy walk after one year!!! Absolutely no vision on how to build a team!! He was hurt and played out of position the entire year!!! Blache, stop being stubborn and get your head out of your ass and play him at RE, the position he's played his entire career!!!

Listen My Snyder, hire a freakin GM, hire Vinnie to get you coffee and stay the hell out of the way.

This team never has a sound plan!! NEVER!!! I wish I didn't love this team so damn much, drives me nuts!!!

Posted by: jon19 | March 2, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

^) JLC sucks.
#) You suck.
K) Shut up.
%) You're a moron.
") Vinny and Danny are idots.
c) You know nothing about football.

Am I all caught up now?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The 'H' plays next to the 'G' ... at least on my keyboard

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

One thing I must mention and get off my chest...Most here were compining for 3 years how we don't takle care of out own etc etc and not pony up for good players who we already have...Most compplined that trading Bailey was a mistake cause cover corners are so rare....But yet many still complain about resigning of D. Hall???? Secondly if any one thinks 48 mill for 4 years for a player like AH is a bad deal...Shows how much they know about football and what a guy like him can do for a defensive pass rush...I suppose if you feel this way...you didnt watch Butz for during his ternure here......

It just goes to show the same ol' bs on here....Most here are never happy and wait for moves to be made so they can complin about them and do the Bash FO bs we see here daily....what a surprise!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

******
any chance the Skins re-sign Jason taylor for a more reasonable contract?***

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I think Jay Cutler is a good QB with an upside, but the thing about trades is that both sides have to agree to the deal, it's not really madden. I'll put it in your words, Would you want to trade "a Pro-Bowl 25 year old QB, who has a great 10-12 more years in the NFL" for a QB in his 4th year who has shown half a season of very good play. I don't see it happening, unless it becomes very pricey.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"How often is a Pro-Bowl 25 year old QB, who has a great 10-12 more years in the NFL available or possibly available? I like Jason Campbell and I'm one against all these big name signings and keeping our picks and building a program here, but this is a golden opportunity to be set at the most important position for quite awhile.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009"

They've been through several QB's since Elway. One year post Jake the Snake does not make a QB.
Its still a risk and a huge one if you don't have an offensive line.

Byron Leftwich is still young, a 1st round pick, had a great year with Pittsburgh, and he want to come here to compete. Not to be handed the job.

NO, NO, NO, NO to Cutler.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

^) JLC sucks.
#) You suck.
K) Shut up.
%) You're a moron.
") Vinny and Danny are idots.
c) You know nothing about football.

Am I all caught up now?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

That looks about right 4-12

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

CJMARTIN04

Not another poster who thinks he can be a better GM than Vinny from his computer. If Vinny had not picked up JT and done nothing to replace Daniels, after that game one lost to the GMen with no sacks and Jacobs running all over us you would have been naming JT as one of the players that our bone head GM could have gotten instead of doing nothing. If you are going to be critical pick examples like Getting Rid of Brad Johnson for Jeff George, Firing Marty and hiring Spurrier, letting Steven Davis go with no back to replace him, not resigning Antonio Pierce, signing worn out HOF'ers like Dion and Bruce for megabucks or not drafting D or O linemen last year and drafting a punter. You have a lot of other things to proclaim yourself smarter than skins management but this is not one of them so that makes me question how smart you really are.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

From several posts up - I may be drawing a mental blank here, but what postion is an H? Hiker?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

In desperation to prove his point, which he didn't, he added Holder as a critical hole!

He's just selling the Drama! LOL

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

leevi98, you're right!!! Terrible front office decisions. We need a GM badly!! Vinnie is awful

Posted by: jon19 | March 2, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

psps...

I would not count the Dockery thing as a "score". Just because someone else was stupid does not mean it goes down in our W column. Just what did we do with that third rounder anyways? who did that turn into?

Laverneus for Moss.... not so fast.... Moss wanted a new contract and was going to walk.... we paid big $$$ for him. Getting what you paid for is not a "score"

As for Hall.... you may get that one by me but I want to see him play a couple of seasons yet.

As you see... our FO did not score like you think. Being "not stupid sometimes" is like a blind squirrel finding a nut every once in a while.


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Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Great news. Anything to make Snyder look like a fool. This new thug will follow in Taylor's footsteps and be out the door laughing with Snyder's money.

Posted by: MKadyman | March 2, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Jason Taylor, you have let me down. I thought you were better than this.

Posted by: erleach | March 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse
"

Wow get over youself award winner here. I mean are you serious? Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:22 PM

HA, Award winner huh? the laughs over here as well my friend. Actually Ive seen you rip people here quite a bit, a little let down you went easy on me!!

also,
"Jason Taylor, you have let me down. I thought you were better than this.

Posted by: erleach

You assume that the story you read was real. Bad assumption

re: This is the only site I get at work, what did I miss or what wasnt real?

Posted by: erleach | March 2, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

the Redskins got 13 games, and eight starts, out of the second-round pick in the 2009 draft that they sent to the Dolphins last year.

PATHETIC!!!

Posted by: jwt22 | March 2, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It's not 100mil do you people understand english, he will only see 48mil at the most.

Flounder21

No one actually reads or looks beyond sportcenter for their information so what do you expect? They just repeat what they hear. Take away ESPN and Google and none of us would know anything about sports other than the box scores because we are to lazy to go beyond what is given.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"HA, Award winner huh? the laughs over here as well my friend. Actually Ive seen you rip people here quite a bit, a little let down you went easy on me!!"

I've mellowed....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

well, the 2nd round picks they drafted last year sucked, what's to say that this years 2nd round pick will perform better than Taylor did last season?

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 2, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"No one actually reads or looks beyond sportcenter for their information so what do you expect? They just repeat what they hear. Take away ESPN and Google and none of us would know anything about sports other than the box scores because we are to lazy to go beyond what is given.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse"

Lotta gross generalities and speaking for everyone today...

How about just speaking for yo self ok?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The acquisition of Jason Taylor was another
"Great" personnel move by General Manager
extradionare Vincent Cerrato!!!!!!!!
All Hail Vinny

Posted by: madalao | March 2, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Releasing Taylor and having Evans go FA has left 2 holes in the DE rotation. I doubt Vinny wanted that to happen. My guess is he was keeping Taylor until he could identify a cheaper replacement."

They have, Montgomery. And they will go out and try to find more. At this point OLB and CB are the critical positions. DT is covered by another year of Griffin. Plus Golston and Alexander.

DE is now Carter, Montgomery, Jackson and Wilson. Really Carter, Jackson and Wilson should be converted to LB. They are small.

Montgomery is a decent size for a 4-3 DE>

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"...2nd round pick would have performed better than Taylor did last season?"

Posted by: IHateJLC | March 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

How much longer can Snyder do this. He does not know anything about football. He has a huge ego and Vinny that make these epic blunders. At least take away his cell phone so a real football guy like Parcells cannot take him for the chump he is. Jason Taylor was a complete disaster. He was a huge waste of money. Why not try to hire some football players. Those two draft choices could be used by a football guy to rebuild the offensive line. Stop the madness. I cannot take it any more. Danny. You do not know what you are doing. Please stop. Hire a general manager. Stop wasting our time and our money. Yes Danny it is our money, who do you think buys the tickets.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | March 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"How often is a Pro-Bowl 25 year old QB, who has a great 10-12 more years in the NFL available or possibly available? I like Jason Campbell and I'm one against all these big name signings and keeping our picks and building a program here, but this is a golden opportunity to be set at the most important position for quite awhile.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009

Gus Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl when he was 25 also and Gus didn't have SEVEN player with higher Passer Ratings in his OWN conference when he made the Pro Bowl.

So you can have your 10-12 year of future career Back-up QB.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they released taylor just to release him, there are really only two reasons for this: 1 being they have targeted a free agent OT(R. willis, K. Barnes??) that they will sign and then draft a DE (orakpo, maybin??) in the draft, or 2 the complete opposite and have targeted a DE in FA and will draft a OT

Posted by: hillb03 | March 2, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

And of course you dont suck. You are what we all wish to be. Who are you again?

Posted by: ged0386 | March 2, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

First the Jews destoryed the media and now there going after sports.

Posted by: askgees | March 2, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

i am nobody AND i don't suck. I guess i just don't like being lumped in with everyone. or being told by someone that without google i am a know nothing. kooky i know......

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The workout clause has to be cover - he never attended offseason workouts before they traded for him. That's why Miami wanted to get rid of him. Really about money.

Now they've got some money for less expensive players. Hopefully they can get the OT Willis, an LB, and a DE with 8.5 mill.

Anybody else notice the structure of Haynesworth deal? $5 mill signing bonus and $6 mill in salary the first year. The salary could have been much lower and the bonus higher to lower the cap number. Also, he has a $21 million roster bonus next spring. If he dogs it, they could cut him and only be out the $11 million.

Posted by: Snydersucks | March 2, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Cork is awful, he juggles JLC's b*lls

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork,

I see JLC gave you a snow day, I'm surprised he didn't have you shoveling his driveway.+++

Flounder, I live in Sunny Southern california. We don't shovel snow.--THE CORK

+++maybe if he wasn't such a d!ck to the FO's they would throw him a bone.+++

Well, you see, that’sone of the differences between an actual reporter and a lap dog. Reporters don’t sit up and beg for bones.

What qualifies you to even begin to understand the workings between sources and reporters? Aside from ripping people who earn a living at it for zero money on your part. Try being a professional reporter, see what it's like.

By the way, reporters are paid to be d!cks--they'll be the first to admit it--if by that you mean someone who doesn't kowtow to those trying to prevent the truth from escaping unless it makes them look good.

Larry Michaels doesn't have any trouble getting exclusives, but that's because he's a flack, not a journalist. Honorable profession. I've done it before myself. And Michaels does a pretty good job at it. But that seems to be the kind of reporting the Redskins want to the exclusion of a free press.

Why do they cut off the Post and feed other media? Well in most instances this classic behavior is designed to break the upstart, making the others fall in line.

I have never met JLC personally, nor has he sent me a single email, compliment or attaboy, It doesn't matter to me a bit. The only communication I remember from the Post is a recent compliment by Ms. Boren on a line I wrote about Haynesworth scheduling his Hamstring pull even before he signed.

I defend JLC and Reid and the rest because they are deeply flawed individuals doing a difficult job in the most difficult of times for journalism in recent history.

And because anyone who has worked for any length of time as a journalist knows that the first--the VERY first thing, despots go after is a free flow of information.

Sure, it's only sports in this instance, but ignorant remarks from you and others just reflect the ignorance of those who uttered the same things at reporters exposing the wrongdoing at 1600 PA Avenue.

I know if some instances it's a sincere frustration at the b!tching and whining here. But it would have a little more clout to it if the Redskins were to, oh, I don't know, show evidence of competence at the highest management levels.

+++Keep up the good work Cork, I'm sure JLC appreciates it.

Posted by: Flounder21+++

What are your sources for this (two, minimum)? Has JLC emailed you and told you this? Have you gotten independent verification? Did you beat the Times to this big scoop of yours?

Because if you can find a single communication JLC has sent me indicating such, I’ll be the first to apologize to you.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I love how everyone comes out now and says the signing of Taylor was dumb.

Every football guy including JLC said that getting taylor was a good move.

But since most of you work for NFL teams I guess you are smarter then them.

The smart thing Vinny did was not waste another 8.5mil.

We can look back on every decision ever made and critique it, but unless you are the one making that decision at that time you don't know what you would have done.

I will be glad when all these one hit wonder posters, are gone come tomorrow morning.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are very much the symbol of Washington D.C. They throw money at things thinking it will work, and when it doesn't work they are clueless. How the heck did they win three Super Bowls.

Posted by: hmgcpa52 | March 2, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If this team could play as well as they diddle away draft picks we'd have a spate of Lombardi trophies.

Posted by: Redskinrex | March 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"Getting what you paid for is not a "score""

Maybe not, but you can just as easily add Chris Horton, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Demetric Evans, Stephon Heyer, Antonio Pierce, Chris Clemons, Lorenzo Alexander, and Ryan Clark into the category of getting MORE than what we paid for. If there's one thing this FO has been good at, it's been unearthing young talent in the later rounds of the draft and in UFA.

And who knows, maybe this Taylor cut will enable the Skins to add Chris Wilson to that list. Not everything is doom and gloom.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Losing that 2nd round pick for Taylor hurts, but I still woulda made the deal. Ya'll forget two DE's went down with season ending injuries in the first week of camp, plus dude was hurt.

Nobody's fault...just didn't work out...Let's move on!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Why trade for that whiner Cutler when we
have a west coast quarterback warming the
bench. Play Colt, play Colt, play Colt!

Posted by: habibhaddad | March 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Flounder - LOADS OF PEOPLE thought we paid too high a price for an aging DE. It was not rare to see the deal criticized here... Not say that getting him was a bad idea... but paying such a steep price made the deal, too many, a stupid move.


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Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Hind sight is 20-20, I remember all the praise the FO got for this trade last year, it was smart to cut the loses while we still had the chance. I would guarantee had vinny known that JT would get accute compartment syndrome, I don't think he would have made the trade .

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The 'skins never used Jason Taylor to his strengths & his entire season was derailed by the compartment syndrome injury... We heard that they were going to adjust to his strengths & allow him to do more free-lancing, etc in 2009... but this isn't going to happen now, but I thought it would of been interesting.

The Redskins better let Albert Haynesworth get upfield & attack, & not force him to just clog the line so the LB's can make plays... This is part of the reason some FA guys haven't worked out here. We have to let the stars do what they do.

Posted by: tony325 | March 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Whosurmama signed with the Seahawks. As reported by ESPN a second ago.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Enough with all the front office hating. How many of you could have predicted JT's failure in 2008? Going into the season he hadn't been injured in FOREVER. I thought it was a good trade at the time, and so most others. The Redskins weren't the only team interested in Taylor either.

Obviously JT didn't fit into our plans, and we didn't fit into his. I'm sure the FO already has an idea of what they want to do at #13, whether it be DE/T/LB, and now they have freed up money to make another move in FA.

Stop freaking out. They have a plan and there's nothing we can do about it. I'm just thankful that we have an owner who cares about the team. He doesn't spend money just to spend it, he spends money to try to WIN. Most free agents since Gibbs 2 HAVE WORKED OUT. The exceptions (Archuleta/Lloyd) were both young players that, again, everyone was excited about at the time.

Cut Danny and Vinny some slack. They're trying. It could be worse. I believe they've learned from they're mistakes and trust in their decisions. After an improved OL the fate of 2009 and beyond lies in the hands of JC and JZ.

Posted by: STisMyMainMan | March 2, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Many here who criticize giving up draft picks in the "win now" sweepstakes do so because we remember how George Allan gutted this team for a decade with just one trip to the SB.....


Apparently Danny wasn't a fan then...

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Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

cutting stephen davis was not bad of a move anyway, he had 1400+ yrds for the panthers one year then was done.
pierce is overrated,

moss had one of the 10 ten redskins moments when he broke the cowboys backs with 3:15 to play in the 4th

don't tell me trading that whiner coles (which he still is) for moss is nothing but a great move.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Flounder - LOADS OF PEOPLE thought we paid too high a price for an aging DE. It was not rare to see the deal criticized here... Not say that getting him was a bad idea... but paying such a steep price made the deal, too many, a stupid move.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:00 PM |

Show me one article from a NFL anylyst that said it was a bad move.

I don't care what people on here say, because none of us no anything about running an NFL team. I know some of you think it is so easy, but it's not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

How many more mistakes will Vinny make before he gets fired?

Are supposed to just suffer with all these bad decisions.

Posted by: pstate11 | March 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Another epic failure by Vinny.

When will this end?

Posted by: AWWNats | March 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

jt situation sucks cuz hes gonna sign with a 3-4 team and have double digit sacks

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"REPORT OF COOPER’S DISCOVERY IS WITHDRAWN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 3:23 p.m.

Without even so much as an apology or an “our bad,” Tampa 10 has withdrawn its report that Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper has been found.

We regret to say that we’ve got some experience regarding getting it wrong when it comes to matters of life and death, and the one thing that you’ve got to do when you make a mistake like that is apologize profusely and profoundly for the error.

The search continues for Marquis Cooper, Corey Smith, and William Bleakley. Our prayers remain with them and their families."

This is what I was referring to in the prior post.

Agh.
That sucks.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I predicted this would happen a few weeks ago!!

I said we would have to get rid of more aging veterans. What a waste! 3-1/2 sacks for 1 year, and we wasted our #2 pick this year, and our #6 pick next year.

SNYDER AND CERRATO...YOU ABSOLUTELY SUCK!!!!!

Posted by: RFKROX | March 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

leevi,

It cleared up 8.5mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

are you sure that we don't take a cap hit here? enlighten me.

p.s. please everyone ignore that askegee jackass. he wants attention. this is all that i'll give him in asking that we all disregard him

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

We need to sign an young OT now to fill in for Jansen, who sucks an awful lot. I say go after Khalif Barnes from JAX or Richie Incognito from STL (not sure, but he might be RFA). We should also sign SLB to a 2- 3 year deal to fill in until we can improve through drafting - maybe Cato June or Crowell.

Then go to the draft, take Orakpo at 13, and trade our #1 next year to get more picks and draft for depth... maybe VT CB Macho Harris in 2nd?

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

With the 13th pick the Washington Redskins select http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3650227

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Notorious,

No cap hit the money was salary only no bonus money.

Since he is not playing there is no salary which means no cap hit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I am loathe to defend Cork, not b/c I dont like him and want to insult him, but b/c he is a big boy and can do it himself...

BUTT since people asked.

He was anti Taylor move in the first hour it was announced and for reasons that ended up being right.

Just saying (getting under my sh!t storm tarp now)

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The Wasington Redskins should have never traded for Jason Taylor in the first place. We as fans seem to know more about football and the redskins than the people in charge.Mr Snyder, think of all the cap space that you would have if over the years you did not allow those veteran players to rob you without a gun. Oh! exscuse me, it's not robbery when you open the vault door and invite them in.Ignorance is not knowing but DAMN!!!!

Posted by: Blondheim2 | March 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

anybody think we should get stover, cato june, ray willis then draft a DE? i know iwth stover wed need a KO specialist

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The FO apparently felt $8 million in cap space was more valuable to the entire team than Jason Taylor's projected stats for next season.

Also, can all the guys trying to trade away next year's 1st rounder for a 2nd this year, please take a moment to think about the fact that this simply creates a cycle that we never get out of. You almost always give up more than you get which means there are less and less draft picks each year--besides Cooley, can anyone name one time in the past 5 years that we drafted a Pro-Bowler by trading away a future draft pick?

Posted by: BigE44 | March 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The man seemed to disappear once he put on the Burgundy and Gold (aside from his many preseason interviews, of course!). The only time I really remember seeing him was when he was injured on the sideline and congratulating teammates coming off the field. To put it simply, Jason Taylor had better hope that the sports writers don't look at his year in DC when considering him for the Hall of Fame. Taylor was just another decent player. No better, no worse.

Posted by: DanielNoble | March 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

He was anti Taylor move in the first hour it was announced and for reasons that ended up being right.

Just saying (getting under my sh!t storm tarp now)

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 6:10 PM |

CL,

Cork is anti every move, so when something doesn't work out he always looks good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what people on here say,

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:04 PM

Then why are you here?

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care what people on here say, because none of us no anything about running an NFL team. I know some of you think it is so easy, but it's not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse "

Flound, your my dawg-fish, but this arguement is straight horse siht cop out...

Excuse me but the NFL is a billion dollar industry b/c of the rabid (and somewhat sucka) fanbase...if we all want to be armchair GM, think we know better blah blah blah than we can...and infact their buisness model depends on it. That rhetorical arguement is stale, hollow and wrong.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Second, One of Jason Taylor biggest problems, aside from injury, was not bonding with his teammates...HE NEEDED MORE THAN ANYTHING TO WORK WITH HIS TEAMMATES DURING THE OFF-SEASON. (Taylor was more of a Redskins Outsider than even JLC was last year.)

Posted by: filmchis

You are WRONG on this......Jason Taylor endeared himselves to his new Skins teammates almost immediately. He brought them gifts.....he received boatloads of swag (well, more like high end athletic wear) from his various sponsors and brought it all to Redskins Park for his teammates. They all liked him and admired how he played hurt.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Then why are you here?

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:14 PM |

For the conversation, not for peoples actual knowledge of football.

We all discuss what we would do and all that BS, and it's fun. We call each other names and criticize each other, but honestly none of us know that much about running an NFL team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

leevi,

It cleared up 8.5mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks flounder....So where are they at in cap room...They were 4 million under before this right? So are they 12 under now?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Folks, take a deep breath and calm down - and keep repeating to yourself - "It's Danny's money, it's not my money, It's Danny's money..."

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care what people on here say, because none of us no anything about running an NFL team. I know some of you think it is so easy, but it's not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse "

I'm feeling Flounder...

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Until this franchise builds through the draft it will never have sustained success.

Never.

Posted by: smutsboy | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

oldnova,
Flound, like many others including myself are up here to talk about football, he puts his opinion out there whether you like it or not, nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

What's the draft looking like for Monster DE's that might be availalbe mid first round?

I know, I know, O-Line...O-Line...O-Line...

Posted by: edvar | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

For the conversation, not for peoples actual knowledge of football.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:17 PM

I had some steamed vegetables last night that were smarter than you. Just what do you think people here converse about if not their knowledge of football?

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

All this is relative only if they win, but I don't think that the Dockery signing gets enough credit. They lock up that left guard spot for the next three to four years.

I'm not sure how Heyer will turn out, but this kid is a solid depth player right now. He's no world-beater, but you could count on him to spell you a few games.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

CL,

I'm not saying we can't do it, I love doing that.

I'm saying that when it comes down to it and I really want the skinny on a deal, I will listen to Clayton and those guys over the peopl here.

CL,

You know there is nothing I like more then talking about what I would do as GM, or what they should do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

ricky-sic I feel you on dock...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beatkal | March 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Boston (AP) - The New England Journal of Medicine today issued the findings of a one day study that proved once and for all that there is no sight better than hindsight. A team of researchers made up mostly of tarot card readers conducted the study over the course of an afternoon by skimming comments on The Washington Post's Redskins Insider blog. "Anyone could have predicted this outcome," said Miss Cleo, chief researcher on the project.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I will start by saying at the time I thought the Taylor move was a smart one. But I will say this now, if JT was not going to change the contract you had to cut him.

I am willing to argue that If you were to come up with a equation of, what we paid for him $+picks and equate it to his production and play time Taylor may be the worst move that this team has made in 10 years. Its close to Lloyd who we stuck with for longer than we needed to but I had lower expectations, he was no MVP. Disagree if you like but ArchD did lead the team in tackles when he was benched. At least we got some production out of Smith and Stubblefield, even it if was not pro-bowl level production.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Taylor's release was planned when AH was signed. Its all just a BS that we realeased him cause he doesn't want to be here in the offseason.

Posted by: thewayitis | March 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I had some steamed vegetables last night that were smarter than you. Just what do you think people here converse about if not their knowledge of football?


Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:19 PM |

I'm petting a dog right now that probably knows more about football then you.

People here converse about the Skins, and what we think they should do.

Or some people bash the FO's, some people stick up for the FO's.

Don't mistake the people on here discussing football, with true knowledge of how to run a NFL team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess flound....my feeling is both have their place...experts and ameaturs (I know SP..i cant spell ok!)....I mean what was PFT/Florio 5 years ago but a fan with ADD an knowledge of html?

I am not going to bore everyone on my view of the democratization of knolwedge but for good and ill RI fits into my theoretical framework on the subject....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

CL,

As much as I post on here, you know I love talking football.

Florio has done something that I would have loved to do.

Florio has a limited knowledge of the game itself, he reports on stories and stuff but I doubt anyone would give him a job as a scout or GM.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder owns the business folks. There are enough fans that don't bash every move. If you don't like what he does, there are 31 other teams you can follow. Stay in the real world and stop basing your lives on what a pro team owner does with his money. Translation: Get a LIFE

Posted by: heraldv | March 2, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Florio has a limited knowledge of the game itself, he reports on stories and stuff but I doubt anyone would give him a job as a scout or GM.
Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder would if he won an bloggin MVP.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

now resign demtric evans as soon as possible!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: oknow1 | March 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Gee, what next "marketing product" will Snyder look for? It will have to be someone with a number we haven't had in a long time so he can sell lots of jerseys. Since Snyder loves "has beens", how about bringing back Dexter Manley and signing him to a 10-year, $150 million dollar deal. And he can just sit on the bench like all the other "over-the-hill" free agents we sign. WHAT A JOKE THIS TEAM IS!

Posted by: lottaaction | March 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Gus Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl when he was 25 also and Gus didn't have SEVEN player with higher Passer Ratings in his OWN conference when he made the Pro Bowl.

So you can have your 10-12 year of future career Back-up QB.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 5:50 PM

Oh so now Jay Cutler, a former first round pick who has actually produced, is being compared to Gus Frerotte?

Has anybody actually watched football besides the Redskins around here?

Jay Cutler. Do it!

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Add another flop to Snyder management and the lack of a GM. This is getting old! 100 million can't fix these bozo's

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | March 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

LADIES AND GENTS,
MARK MY WORD AND YOU HAVE HEARD IT FIRST..THE SKINS WILL TRADE THEIR 13TH PICK
TO THE CAROLINA PANTHERS FOR PEPPER!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Kelli Johnson from Sportsnite just reported (as has been noted on here already) that the Skins simply asked Taylor to have the workout clause inserted into his contract...and that they have inserted this clause into every player they have signed thus far (Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery). Taylor refused so he was released. Kelli said that she had spoken to several of the players who were surprised but kind of chuckled because they knew he would never agree to offseason workouts since he lives in Miami and is a proven veteran.

Incidentally, Vinny and Taylor's agent are really good friends - they were in each other's weddings- so no bad blood.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

why is everyone on the Jay Cutler trade? he would still only have one WR to throw to, not even Tom Brady could put up the numbers to satisfy some people on the board, with our recievers. Unless Kelly and D Thomas step it up big time.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So your idea and thinking is...Because we don't have the complete 4 great wrs...we shouldnt make a move for a very good QB?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse


ROFLMAO Cutler is not a very good QB!

His Pro Bowl was a Joke!!

Philip River 105.5 Passer Rating (No Pro Bowl)

Jay Cutler 86.0 Passer Rating (Makes the Pro Bowl)

Jason Campbell 84.3 Passer Rating

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't mistake the people on here discussing football, with true knowledge of how to run a NFL team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:24 PM

Don't mistake an owner with a lot of money with true knowledge on how to run a foot ball team either.


If the FO had listened to many of the fans we would be in a better spot now.

.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

LADIES AND GENTS,
MARK MY WORD AND YOU HAVE HEARD IT FIRST..THE SKINS WILL TRADE THEIR 13TH PICK
TO THE CAROLINA PANTHERS FOR PEPPER!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 6:34 PM |

joe,

I hope not but you may be on to something.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Good riddens - I hope Jason "dances" the hell out of here fast - maybe he can take his dancin' partner Uncle Vinny Cerato! Should be a big help to the cap and Vinny Cerato once again proves he belongs on the "Biggest Loser" show.

Posted by: edgklein | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm a little shaky on RFA rules. Say we signed an RFA OT like Richie Incognito from the Rams to an offer sheet and St. Louis doesn't match it... what round pick would we have to give up to the Rams?

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Just another in a long list of Snyder failures; just watch as the latest spending spree ends in more failure.

But as long as Snyder is turning a profit on Redskins fans, he's happy.

Posted by: beenthere3 | March 2, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Second, One of Jason Taylor biggest problems, aside from injury, was not bonding with his teammates...HE NEEDED MORE THAN ANYTHING TO WORK WITH HIS TEAMMATES DURING THE OFF-SEASON. (Taylor was more of a Redskins Outsider than even JLC was last year.)

Posted by: filmchis

You are WRONG on this......Jason Taylor endeared himselves to his new Skins teammates almost immediately. He brought them gifts.....he received boatloads of swag (well, more like high end athletic wear) from his various sponsors and brought it all to Redskins Park for his teammates. They all liked him and admired how he played hurt.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

SOrry, but you EARN respect you don't BUY IT.

So, I'm afraid YOU couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Dear Little Danny:

Sell the team.

Yours,
The American People.

Posted by: bs2004 | March 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Someone earlier was defending the fat albert signing saying it was 4yrs 48 mil which sounds great, right? But as far as the cap goes that 41 mil guaranteed is spread over 6 yrs or roughly 7 mil per year, right? So isn't it true that if they were to cut him after 4 years they would have 14 mill in dead cap money the next year? Is it me or is it insane to think any team can take that cap hit for 1 player over 1 season?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Hind sight is 20-20, I remember all the praise the FO got for this trade last year, it was smart to cut the loses while we still had the chance. I would guarantee had vinny known that JT would get accute compartment syndrome, I don't think he would have made the trade .

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Not hindsight. At the time I opposed the trade. Go look it up. I think it was July 28.

We needed to get younger, not trade for a 34 year-old. There were others who criticized the deal also.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the knowledge, Flounder. In that case, I guess cutting our losses now makes sense...still smarts to think we gave up a 2nd and 6th for virtually nothing. Oh well, I guess Hand is right, we'll probably take Orakapo now. Still wish we could get a RT....is that dude from Seattle still available? I'd love to have Heyer step up...love to have a Terp in the trenches for us. Anyone think he can/will? He has been predictably inconsistent but has shown promise. This could all mean they think he can get it done, esp. if we go DE

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm a little shaky on RFA rules. Say we signed an RFA OT like Richie Incognito from the Rams to an offer sheet and St. Louis doesn't match it... what round pick would we have to give up to the Rams?

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Go back and watch the 'Skins vs. Rams game and see why we DON'T WANT HIM.

He's a head case and single handedly kept us in that game with his tantrum, dirty plays, and personal fouls.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Snyder, PLEASE, PLEASE, get rid of Vinny. Pay what you have to but bring Bobby Beathard back -- he is the only one that I know that had a nose for talent.

Posted by: sjohn | March 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

This is part of the reason some FA guys haven't worked out here. We have to let the stars do what they do.

Posted by: tony325 | March 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

No, we need to get players who will fit the system. AH fits the system. He will collapse the pocket, our DE's and blitzers will then be able to get the sacks and hurries which should yield more TO's.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

IM WITH YOU ON THAT!!! ORAKPO ALL DAY EVERY DAY.. I LIKE THE MOVED WE ARE MAKING.. JANSEN SHOULD BE NEXT.. ALL INJURY PRONE OLD HEADS MUST GO.. WE ARE GETTING BETTER..

Posted by: pjfromva | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have Shawn Spring's cell number handy?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the knowledge, Flounder. In that case, I guess cutting our losses now makes sense...still smarts to think we gave up a 2nd and 6th for virtually nothing. Oh well, I guess Hand is right, we'll probably take Orakapo now. Still wish we could get a RT....is that dude from Seattle still available? I'd love to have Heyer step up...love to have a Terp in the trenches for us. Anyone think he can/will? He has been predictably inconsistent but has shown promise. This could all mean they think he can get it done, esp. if we go DE

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Screw the Terps!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

AND for deals . . .

Posted by: sjohn | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't mistake an owner with a lot of money with true knowledge on how to run a foot ball team either.


If the FO had listened to many of the fans we would be in a better spot now.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:35 PM |

I have never said Snyder knows what he's doing, but he is the owner and that will not change in my lifetime.

So I refuse to cry and whine about everything they do.

I'm sure all the GM's and owners around the league take advice from there fans.

Dude get over yourself if you think your so smart, send your resume out and try to get hired by a team.

I'm done with you because you are giving me a headache.

One last thing did you post on here before it happened, that the Skins should not trade for Taylor. If not how could they have listened to you.

They did listen to us about cutting Taylor, that has been posted by 100's of people myself included.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

SOrry, but you EARN respect you don't BUY IT.

So, I'm afraid YOU couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Posted by: filmchis

NOPE - you are WRONG! But I'm not going to respond to your posts anymore...simply juvenile to do so.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Bravo to the FO.

Hey Jason, thanks for the sack in the Eagles game. Other than that you pretty much brought nothing to the table. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

Now it's time to turn around and offer some $$ to Demetric Evans.

And on a separate note, count me in as someone who would rather not have Jay "The Crybaby" Culter on the team. He's welcome to stay in the corner and pout.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I was so jazzed when we made the move for him last summer, but this just goes to show how dumb I am. I should have known this would end this way.

Posted by: webtechnical | March 2, 2009 4:56 PM

The funny thing is we'll probably be saying this exact same thing next year about Haynesworth...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Someone earlier was defending the fat albert signing saying it was 4yrs 48 mil which sounds great, right? But as far as the cap goes that 41 mil guaranteed is spread over 6 yrs or roughly 7 mil per year, right? So isn't it true that if they were to cut him after 4 years they would have 14 mill in dead cap money the next year? Is it me or is it insane to think any team can take that cap hit for 1 player over 1 season?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:39 PM |

NO, the contract is not written that way, in 4 years they will be able to release him with minimal cap hit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Taylor's play beat the Eagles at home. Give him a break.

Posted by: emcdonald6 | March 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm a little shaky on RFA rules. Say we signed an RFA OT like Richie Incognito from the Rams to an offer sheet and St. Louis doesn't match it... what round pick would we have to give up to the Rams?

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse


Depends on what contract they tendered him. Could be as high as a 1 and a 3 or as low as a seven i think. Go to STL's local paper and see if there is an old article from the second or third week in february about it.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, somewhere Bill Parcells is laughing his a$$ off. I would love to see the Redskins actually do the fleecing in a trade instead of being the ones fleeced...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

p.s. please everyone ignore that askegee jackass. he wants attention. this is all that i'll give him in asking that we all disregard him

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If he does it again, I'm going to hit the "Report abuse" button.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

So much hate here today! I have no problem with disagreeing and arguing- that's what makes this fun - but the "go somewhere else" crap is just silly. Especially when told to someone who contributes quite a bit, i.e. Flound...Whether you agree with some or not, the effort and constant posting is what keeps this place interesting.

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Jason Campbell fan, but I'd trade him for Cutler in a second - Cutler is a competitor, he'll take chances that Campbell won't, dude might not be the most coachable guy though

Posted by: coparker5 | March 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

To clarify a couple of things that have been discussed above:

1) The one good thing about this J. Taylor mess is that their is zero dead money that the Redskins are responsible for. In other words, the Skins will not take even a $1 cap hit this year or next by cutting him. Its a clean break. I wish at least they would have included a clause in the trade that said they get some kind of compensation if he was not on the '09 Roster, since some thought he would retire.

2) Anthony Montgomery weighs like 340lbs. He is not a DE replacement for J. Taylor as someone stated earlier. He plays DT. In fact he wouldn't even play DE in a 3-4. HE'S HUGE!!! Very big mistake.

3) While Philip Daniels is a fitness nut and I'm sure he has been doing all the rehab, I really hope the Skins are not assuming that he will be their opening day starter. Re-sign Evans and Draft Orakpo.

Posted by: SportzWiz | March 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

One last thing did you post on here before it happened, that the Skins should not trade for Taylor. If not how could they have listened to you.

FLOUNDER21

I said previously that getting JT was a good idea but they overpaid for him. If we knew that it would take a 2nd and 6th to get him you can bet that most of us would have said no!

And when the deal was done I stated that they overpaid for an aging DE at the expense of the future.

Now go fondle your poodle.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

And on a separate note, count me in as someone who would rather not have Jay "The Crybaby" Culter on the team. He's welcome to stay in the corner and pout.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree! Any qb looks good throwing to that freak b marshall. Now that marshall is set to be suspended for his 5th arrest in 3 years we will see just how good cutler is.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone compiled a list of picks the Skins have jettisoned in recent years for nothing?

e.g. my recollection is that TJ Duckett was a 2nd rounder; Archie Deluxe was a 4th rounder; Lloyd was a 3rd rounder -- even the Portis deal involved 2nd round compensation PLUS Bailey.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

NOPE - you are WRONG! But I'm not going to respond to your posts anymore...simply juvenile to do so.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL Juvenile is respecting someone because they BUY YOU THINGS.

Your priorities in life are clear.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Flounder is such a dumba$$. He continues to bust on one-time posters. Just because some post only on rare occassions doesn't mean they don't read this every day. It's just some of us have jobs still.

I'm sure you are the idiot drunk that always sits near me at FedEx and ruins the game for everyone else.

I think the others have already done an excellent job of explaining why the Jason Taylor move was a complete debacle.

Also, you bashed someone earlier because they said AH plays DE. You busted his/her chops by saying AH is a DT. Well, in reality, he plays both. Thought you'd know that since you know everything else.

Also, curious why there are so many JLa haters. Sure, he misses the boat on some things and doesn't always get the story first. But at least it gives us something to talk about during the long offseason.

Go Skins! And take Snyder and Vinny with you.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | March 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

e.g. my recollection is that TJ Duckett was a 2nd rounder; Archie Deluxe was a 4th rounder; Lloyd was a 3rd rounder -- even the Portis deal involved 2nd round compensation PLUS Bailey.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 6:50 PM

Archuleta was a FA...no compensation. But I think Lloyd was two picks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

will,

thanks,

I try, I'll admit I get caught up in some of the arguments, but hopefully everyone knows that it's all in good fun.

I have no problem with anyone on here, I give Cork a bunch of sh!t, and he gives it back to me just as good. I respect everyones opinion on here, and in the end I think we all hope this team will become a winner very soon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

NO, the contract is not written that way, in 4 years they will be able to release him with minimal cap hit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:46 PM

How could you possibly know the structure of the fat albert deal enough to say that so definitively? on the 4 sites that I looked at all that has been said are that the signing, roster and workout bonuses are as usual prorated like any other contract, meaning spread over the maximum 6 years per the CBA. Please share where you get this info from.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

arch deluxe was a fa so no draft pick was surrendered. duckett and llyod were abominations. i would venture to say 2nd a bailey wasn't terrible for portis.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone compiled a list of picks the Skins have jettisoned in recent years for nothing?

e.g. my recollection is that TJ Duckett was a 2nd rounder; Archie Deluxe was a 4th rounder; Lloyd was a 3rd rounder -- even the Portis deal involved 2nd round compensation PLUS Bailey.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 6:50 PM |
Arch was a freebie, lloyd was a 4 and a 3, ducket was a three and portis was a high 2, # 37 i believe, same year we got Sean

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

ok, a little too much negativity for me today...catch you all later. Go Terps, Beat Wake!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Snydermust,

Give me a break you idiot whats the difference in reading, and posting takes about the same amount of time.

I don't go to FedX much, I have better things to spend my money on like my children.

I'm sorry my job allows me more time to post then yours does, but don't cry about it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Weeks 15- 17 2008 NFL Season QB Comparison.
Listed in alphabetic order

Cutler: 3Loses 0Wins, 79(Com)/127(Att)=62%Completion. 2TDs 3Int 4Sack, 73.2%QBRat.

Campbell: 1Win 2Loses
53/91=58%, 2TD 0INT, 4Sack, 80%QBRat.

Romo: 1Win 2Loses
84/114=74%, 4TD 3INT, 8Sack, 79%QBRat.

Rothlesburger: 2Win 1Lose
56/93=60%, 3TD 3INT, 8Sack, 76%QBRat.

RUSHING:
Cutler: 12Att, 43Yd 2TD 0Fumble
JC: 8Att, 88Yd 1TD 1Fum 0Lost
Romo: 8Att, 20Yd 0TD 5Fum 2Lost
Roth: 7Att, 35Yd 0TD 5Fum 3Lost

I ask, why the assumption that Cutler has a better shot at leading the Skins to a SuperBowl than Campbell?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

how were we unable to get any kind of trade for Taylor or Springs. Someone would have given a late pick for their contracts.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

We have already signed a defensive tackle and resigned a cornerback to big salaries, get a cheap DE and be done with it. The defense was not broken and Taylor was only a marginal contributor anyway.
The offense was offensive last year and no major help so far with only one guard. It makes no difference how good your defense is when the offense is 3 and out a large percentage of the time - they also averaged only 11 points over the last 8 games, not the path of a winner. 8-8 will start to look good in 2009.

Posted by: edeshields | March 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

how were we unable to get any kind of trade for Taylor or Springs. Someone would have given a late pick for their contracts.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:01 PM |

Alex,

I hope you are kidding.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,
I am not. You don't think we could have got a 6 or 7 from Detroit or Oakland? There are teams that are dumber then the Skins.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

We could be the Bucs, all that cap money and to cheap to spend any of it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"I ask, why the assumption that Cutler has a better shot at leading the Skins to a SuperBowl than Campbell?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009"

And a lot of it may be the "team" and coaching around him and not the QB.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't want any more free agents headed to Redskins Park unless it's Ray Lewis. The Skins need to park the airplane and focus on the draft.
Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | March 2, 2009 5:13 PM |

Ray Lewis is THE big dog on defense and fires everybody up. However, Fletcher is more than adequate, and Snyder and Cerrato are starting to change vets like old coffee filters- human players don't respond well to being treated like just another disposable machine part, youse needs chemistry to win. You gotta say resign Evans, unless you can land Peppers or are set on getting Orakpo. The 8.5 mill freed up by JT makes sense because of his poor performance last year. I say another vet signing or trade is being grown in one of Danny's gurgling neon green lab vats...

Posted by: frak | March 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,
I am not. You don't think we could have got a 6 or 7 from Detroit or Oakland? There are teams that are dumber then the Skins.


Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:05 PM |

Alex,

Those were pretty big contracts, maybe they tried and were rebuffed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Cousin Vinny is the only GM in the world who gets job training while making millions. I wonder how long it will take him to horn all the skills necessary to be a great GM in this business considering him doing it for almost 20 years now.

Posted by: thewayitis | March 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Evans...Crowell...Willis

Sign those, that leaves the draft open to possibilities. Orakpo, Andre Smith, and trading back all become viable options.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | March 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

And exactly why didn't they go after Pioli? This team really, really needs a competent GM.

Posted by: lord_whitney | March 2, 2009 7:01 PM

What I've been beating myself over the head with all offseason. The top talent evaluator in the NFL is basically available to the highest bidder, and Danny sits on his paddle. I would rather give Pioli the $100 million and have him draft us our own Haynesworth!

I love Campbell and think he's better than advertised, but right now I would take Cassel at QB with Josh McDaniels as coach over the crap sandwich we have now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

If you look closely at Haynesworth he could also be rotated in at end. As could Montgomery. He has the right size and speed to do that job in Blache's 4-3 scheme. You could leave Montgomery and Golston + Griffin inside.

Makes Carter the very small man out. He probably needs to be replaced with someone whose size is more like a Daniels.

Most of the ends they have make better linebackers. So, ostensibly signing a larger end may make sense for the rotation.

Because of salary cap Carter, like Jensen and others is here next year. But after that? Have to assume they will get some linebacking help on the perimeter. Have to assume that Carter only has 1 more year with the team.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the whole Taylor saga sucks, but can I just ask one thing: At what point did Orakpo turn into the answer to all our D Line problems? I mean, really? The guy had a good year and one good combine and all of a sudden the angry Skins Insider clowns are talking about him like he is a HOF. When was the last time a UTexas guy became a huge star in the league? It makes much more sense to draft an OT with the 13th pick, or dare I say it, trade for Peppers. Let's not start &*%$ing each other off for Orakpo.

Posted by: dericozw | March 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not. You don't think we could have got a 6 or 7 from Detroit or Oakland? There are teams that are dumber then the Skins.


Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:05 PM

There may be teams with worse records than the Redskins, but few are actually dumber in the FO. I think today is a pretty big reminder of that fact...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Good night all.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

everyone who says we should sign richie igncognito is crazy

first of all, i dont know if his name fits on the back of a jersey

second of all, he almost saved pete kendall in the rams game with that horrendous penalty

sign the young RT from seatle instead

Posted by: mardiros | March 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"You gotta say resign Evans, unless you can land Peppers or are set on getting Orakpo.

-- Posted by: frak"

One good thing, they have been staying young. Except for resigning Griffin who they could ostensibly have cut. I doubt that Peppers would come back.

Orapko would exclusively be a linebacker in their scheme not a DE.

So, if we assume that Blache will rotate Haynesworth and Montgomery (perhaps others other than the "Mike" Griffin) at both end and tackle? So, a rotation of Haynesworth, Golston, Montgomery, Carter is set. They need to decide if they want Daniels or Evans back? Of if they think they can sign someone who is younger and potentially better. Then Carter becomes a passing down DE (along with Wilson and Jackson).

I don't think they will go for Peppers if they were originally hot for Canty.

Suggs was made a franchise player. No one knows what will happen there. He may make it clear he won't come back at some point. And Danny could be there waiting. Suggs + Haynesworth? Orapko who?

IN the end I guess the OL will have to be addressed in the draft if that happens. They won't have enough to sign OL I suspect.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I think if any of the top 3 or 4 OT's are available, we draft them
If not trade for peppers or draft orakpo

Posted by: mardiros | March 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

what is with Jason Taylor that he would attend offseason workouts for half a mil? What a jerk!

Posted by: pquick6165 | March 2, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the defense, but if Thomas, Kelly or Davis don't produce we're mediocre again.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth and Montgomery are DT's. Suggesting them to play end is as much a waste of time as Priest Holmes to play WR.

Jay Cutler = Jeff George. I stole this from somehwere I read it but can't remember where. Could be very true. Dazzle with the big arm but not good for much else.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe they cut Taylor because he didn't want to do workouts up here,but we'll let Portis not practice during the week and play on sunday ,yea right, come on you just signed Haynesworth who commands 2 or 3 guys on him so you can rush the passer and then you cut Taylor this is S T U P I D I, i understand the guy didn't play that much last year but he was hurt. i hope the rules apply for all this year if not cut Portis and lets save some more money

Posted by: engco201 | March 2, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a lot of venom on here today, especially after what seems like good news. Even ESPN is bashing us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Is Demetric Evans an every down DE, though?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have Shawn Spring's cell number handy?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

1-800-INJ-URED

Posted by: visionof75 | March 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Actuall Posse, Haynesworth played DE quite a bit in TN. I've watched some clips, incredibly quick for such a huge man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Guys the Skins have a number of issues that remain unresolved.

#1 - The RT tackle position - Neither Jansen or Heyer is good enough to be a quality NFL starter - they are servicable backups at best. The biggest reason for the 2-6 slide at the end of last season was because the offensive line could not open up running lanes nor protect the QB. If a RT is not signed (i.e. Willis) an RT must be drafted with the 1st round pick.

#2 OLB - As it stands HB Blades is supposed to be the starting OLB linebacker that is troubling. If the Skins had a second (and they don't) I would advocate drafting one. It would be nice to pick up one of the USC LBer trio but at this point the OLine is such a disgrace, that issue must take precedent over any deficiency at LB. Hopefully with the money saved by cutting Taylor this position can be filled at the draft.

#3 DE - While it would be nice to draft a stud DE our Dline is not in worse shape than our oline. Thus, drafting a DE is going to be relegated to a 3rd round pick. Maybe the Skins can convince Evans to come back. He wouldn't be as expensive as Taylor and unlike Taylor he was moderately productive.


#4 P and K - For years the Skins have neglected these two positions and for years these two positions have found ways to **** with the Redskins fortunes. If the Skins were smart they would go out and grab Hunter Smith and someone like Carney or Feeley. Anything would be better that Plackenmeier and Suisham.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | March 2, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider Releases Jason La Canfora

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins Insider released blogger Jason La Canfora today.

The WaPo had wanted to add a clause to La Canfora's contract that would have required him to have multiple sources for any blogging he did for RI. But La Canfora declined to add that to the contract, so RI decided to part ways with him.

La Canfora was due to make $8.5 thousand next season. His release was first reported by ESPN.


Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 2, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I am guessing, and maybe someone can watch the tape and get me a confirmation. Does bigAl go at DE when blitzing a OLB/CB on that side? I could see him speed rushning a OT, getting him and the guard to dub him and then freeing the outside blitzer

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider Releases Jason La Canfora

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins Insider released blogger Jason La Canfora today.

The WaPo had wanted to add a clause to La Canfora's contract that would have required him to have multiple sources for any blogging he did for RI. But La Canfora declined to add that to the contract, so RI decided to part ways with him.

La Canfora was due to make $8.5 thousand next season. His release was first reported by ESPN.


lmao

Posted by: mardiros | March 2, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler = Jeff George. I stole this from somehwere I read it but can't remember where. Could be very true. Dazzle with the big arm but not good for much else.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Jake Plummer made that comparison in an interview in the Denver Post a view weeks ago. He may have an axe to grind but the reporter did highlight more than a few similarities between Cutler and George.

Posted by: skinswest | March 2, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Suppose Zorn had any input? I'm surprised they let Taylor go. What about the red faces? Sounds like this decision was owner's call. Make another one, and get yourself a real GM..We mad some very positive moves. Now let's keep the segment infinite.

Posted by: coastallp74 | March 2, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have Shawn Spring's cell number handy?

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

1-800-INJ-URED

Posted by: visionof75 | March 2, 2009 7:27 PM

Hilarious...post of the day!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The Patriots have 4 picks in the first TWO rounds!!!!

DAMN

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Feel free to hang me for this if you wish but what about picking up Cato June as an OLB? He's 29 and had some very ggod years in Indy. He was above average in Tampa. He probably wouldn't cost too much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

speaking of HBBlades, I have been wondering he is terrable in the pass coverage but ok on run support. Could he be bulked up and become a smaller end for that rotation?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

He may have an axe to grind but the reporter did highlight more than a few similarities between Cutler and George.

Posted by: skinswest | March 2, 2009 7:41 PM

Let's hope a failed stint in Washington isn't one of them...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Pretty darn funny!!!

Redskins Insider Releases Jason La Canfora

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins Insider released blogger Jason La Canfora today.

The WaPo had wanted to add a clause to La Canfora's contract that would have required him to have multiple sources for any blogging he did for RI. But La Canfora declined to add that to the contract, so RI decided to part ways with him.

La Canfora was due to make $8.5 thousand next season. His release was first reported by ESPN.

Posted by: cocodc1 | March 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

We spent a second and sixth rounder on the guy and got zero. The FO is mortgaging the future in the hopes they can win now with big signings.

If we had kept D Evans on the DE and kept the draft picks... how good would we be looking? But no. Danny has to go out and grab whatever is bright and shiny.

Didn't work for the Yankees - won't work here.

Posted by: oldnova | March 2, 2009 5:08 PM |
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For ALL of those who wish to write this junk, PLEASE get your facts straight!!
Taylor was not a free agent and was part of a NEED trade due to injuries, nothing else!!
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but since his season was lost due to injury, you can't be fair and say trading for him was a bad move. It just didn't work out the way most thought it would!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 2, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Feel free to hang me for this if you wish but what about picking up Cato June as an OLB? He's 29 and had some very ggod years in Indy. He was above average in Tampa. He probably wouldn't cost too much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 7:43 PM

No go...dude is tailor made for a Cover 2 scheme. He's only about 220 pounds and would get absolutely killed playing strong side LB here. But considering he's fun to play with on Madden, I'm sure Danny has Redskin One gassed and ready to pick him up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, today ends the Taylor debacle... until the 2nd day of next year's draft, when MIA picks Dolt Leftman, QB, Hawaii, in the sixth round.
To me, the basic problem has been that Taylor and Carter were copies of the same type of player -- the quick, pass-rushing RDE in our defense. Add Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson and we were four deep at a single-player position -- and with two starter-level salaries to boot.
I thought the Taylor trade made sense at the time. So the part of me that wanted to see him stick around was hoping for a decent season to validate what could have been. And consider this -- if he left as a FA at the end of next year, we'd likely get a 3rd round comp. pick... that would ease the sting a bit.
Ah, well. If Carter studs out at RDE next year because teams get preoccupied with Haynesworth, then we'll likely not be whining about March 2 as "the day we let Taylor go" in the future.

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"speaking of HBBlades, I have been wondering he is terrable in the pass coverage but ok on run support. Could he be bulked up and become a smaller end for that rotation?"

Have you seen him? The dude is about as stocky as his short frame allows. He is mini-London Fletcher, he can be a above average MLB and special teamer when Fletch is gone...that's about it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 2, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

TJ Who'syourmama just signed with the Seahawks...5 year deal.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 2, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

HB is undersized to begin with as a LB, so a move to the Dline is laughable. As for Cato June, isnt he a strictly Tampa-2 guy? Doesn't sound like a good fit.

The O-Line can and will be addressed through the draft or FA, as there are still good and plentiful options. I am more concerned about our OLB and DE situations. The starter quality FAs are gone and only limited/rotation guys remain. And since Vinny is a moron, we have no picks to address the issues properly.

Posted by: dericozw | March 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Yea Brownwood, on firther review I saw the same thing. Far too undersized for strong side LB in the NFC Beast. There are plenty of free agents left out there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Snydermust,

Give me a break you idiot whats the difference in reading, and posting takes about the same amount of time.

I don't go to FedX much, I have better things to spend my money on like my children.

I'm sorry my job allows me more time to post then yours does, but don't cry about it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, actually there is a difference in the amount of time it takes to read vs. write. If you actually attempt to compose an intelligent thought, it takes significantly more time. I can quickly skim the other postings and get a general idea of the public opinion on the moves the team makes.

Someone already invented spell-check. We need to have someone invent Flounder-check. Then we can just quickly find all your postings and hit the delete button.

BTW, I only usually get out to one game a year at FedEx myself. I refuse to give Danny much more of my money than that. Like you, most of my money goes to my 4 kids (and my wife). And I actually do have time to post. I just prefer not to get caught up in pissing matches all evening. But once in awhile, you just can't ignore the rudeness and ignorance of some.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | March 2, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

And consider this -- if he left as a FA at the end of next year, we'd likely get a 3rd round comp. pick... that would ease the sting a bit.

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Probably not because, One, he'd probably retire rather than sign with someone else and , Two, we would sign a FA to replace him, most likely nullifying any compensatory pick we might be eligible for.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Skins take a look at Matt Birk. I believe he is still unsigned and can play either guard or center.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

It was just an idea, I dont see HB ever working out as a sold LB so felt maybe a role change would suit him.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Someone already invented spell-check. We need to have someone invent Flounder-check. Then we can just quickly find all your postings and hit the delete button.

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | March 2, 2009 7:55 PM

I know a few other posters that need to have a checker. Wouldn't that be great!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I know there are problems with the Redskin FO and that the NFL is a business but it makes no sense to me that now Jason Taylor is saying the reason he didn't want to attend the workouts is because his three children are in South Florida. I thought it was strange last season when he was making $8 millon, missed his family, was renting a huge house and didn't move the family to Northern VA for the season, which is closer to his family in Pittsburgh. If he wants to be near the family during the season that certainly limits the teams he is interested in. If the wife wouldn't move except to Texas...hmmmmm. What's the real story from "a man of his word" who wants to: win (reason for leaving Miami) and one day be in the HOF. Will she move to Boston?

Posted by: Tpecca | March 2, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

#1 - The Offensive LINE IN TOTO. This is a disaster because neither Samuels or Thomas (their two best) can be expected to last an entire season. Both have been placed on the IR for extended periods of time in the last 3 years. As has Jensen. At this point Samuels may be far better suited to Right Tackle. With Jensen backing him up. They finally do have a guard in Dockery. They have a serviceable center but he did not do well against the massive and athletic nose tackles. After that? Nada, zilch except one decent backup in Heyer.

It might help to give up a pick and sign Dahl from Atlanta. He too can play tackle. We can't assume that Rhinehart will suddenly surpass Heyer at tackle (as a 3rd round pick should have!!!) nor even fill in at guard. So ... pick 13 will have to be a starting left tackle. The next pick a center/guard. Unless they sign Dahl.

They desperately need help here ... and right now.

#2 OLB - This is a problem because they released Washington (the Skins very best linebacker), AND the other starter is basically just as injury prone if not more so from the get-go of draft day. And that is Rocky McIntosh. So, ostensibly you need 1 or 2 guys who can fill this need. Watch for Snyder to try to grab a guy like Suggs. Blades makes a good MLB and that is his position normally in the depth chart. Matt Sinclair is another possibility but he too is more of an MLB I guess.

#3 DE - No additional help needed ... except if an opportunity presents to replace Carter who is too small to be a DE in the 4-3 configuration.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Patriots have 4 picks in the first TWO rounds!!!!

DAMN

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2009"

Just what the Skins need ... no need to draft after that.

1. OT 2. OT or C/G Unger/Mack 3. Linebacker 4. Linebacker/Cornerback.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

peri -- good analysis. To me, and apparently several others, the Skins have put too many eggs in too few baskets. They do have holes, including depth issues.

As much as Taylor had to go, I'm only surprised because I think Vinny was interested in taking the risk to see if Taylor and Haynesworth might combine for a big year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"HB is undersized to begin with as a LB, so a move to the Dline is laughable. As for Cato June, isnt he a strictly Tampa-2 guy? Doesn't sound like a good fit."

Carter, Jackson, Taylor, Wilson are all about the same size btw ... just more speed.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder 21,

Do your kids know about you and that white horse? Do they know the horse is reason for your scheduled surgery this Friday to tighten the old rect*m up. and I think its great you are using the same doc who performed the same operation on Cerrato.

Posted by: sheepherder | March 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I saw this coming. I like Jason Taylor, but I knew he would be short-lived. I'm just glad I didn't buy the jersey. Hope he doesn't go to another NFC Beast team...that would be terrible...

Posted by: LuvMySkinz | March 2, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

it was easy to see that taylor did not want to be here from moment one and his heart was never 100 percent in it

Posted by: miked4 | March 2, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Remind me why we _had_ to have this guy?

Posted by: Kennington | March 2, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Remind me why we _had_ to have this guy?

Posted by: Kennington | March 2, 2009 8:20 PM

Our starting DE got injured on the first day of camp.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

In the ESPN free agent ratings, Ray Willis has a rating of 59 out of 100...Jason Fabini is next with a 58...so that's why I never heard of him before...

Posted by: BigE44 | March 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh, the best football guy in my lifetime, has a approach to guys like Jason Taylor -- better to get rid of them a year early than a year late.

Even the best at their positions, Ronnie Lott and Joe Montana, ended their careers elsewhere.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Clabo and Dahl are both RFA's in Atlanta. Both started 16 games and are young. That plus a 1st round tackle would do the trick. Might be worth it in the long run. One tackle, plus 1 guard.


Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider Releases Jason La Canfora

Jason Reid reports:

The Redskins Insider released blogger Jason La Canfora today.

The WaPo had wanted to add a clause to La Canfora's contract that would have required him to have multiple sources for any blogging he did for RI. But La Canfora declined to add that to the contract, so RI decided to part ways with him.

La Canfora was due to make $8.5 thousand next season. His release was first reported by ESPN.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

LOL!!!! :) so funny!

Posted by: rachel216 | March 2, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Taylor was released today. If they didn't need the cap relief right now, I would be in favor of letting him languish all summer, then cut him in September when everyone's crunched for time and money.

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

SOS with a puppeteer and puppet running "the show".

Posted by: bundy44 | March 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Carter, Jackson, Taylor, Wilson are all about the same size btw ... just more speed.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:13 PM
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Ummm....no. 'About the same size' can't really account for half a feet of height I'm afraid. The only guy in the entire NFL as small as your HB suggestion is elvis dumervil with the broncos and even he is bigger (5'11, 260)

HB 5'10 242

JT 6'6 244
AC 6'4 253
CW 6'4 247
RJ 6'4 269

This isn't Madden. You can't just edit a players position and it works magically.

Posted by: dericozw | March 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"As much as Taylor had to go, I'm only surprised because I think Vinny was interested in taking the risk to see if Taylor and Haynesworth might combine for a big year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009"

If Snyder got agressive and signed the RFA's from Atlanta Dahl, (can play tackle) and Clabo. Then I think they could go into next year without using the 1st round pick on a tackle. Now you have plenty of depth at all positions except center.

Then perhaps you go for Orapko or another LB then perhaps a G/C. Then a cornerback. Next year you draft tackles a (plural) a center/guard in the upper rounds.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"If they didn't need the cap relief right now, I would be in favor of letting him languish all summer, then cut him in September when everyone's crunched for time and money.

Posted by: daggar"

That's what puzzled me. And if they knew they were going to release him, why not do it just as the team signs Haynesworth, and give yourself a shot at the other top tier FAs like Jason Brown?

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder why Taylor was released today. If they didn't need the cap relief right now, I would be in favor of letting him languish all summer, then cut him in September when everyone's crunched for time and money.

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2009"

Clearly Snyder is on the move to sign other free agents.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I have never been a fan of the Skin FO but I have to say I thought Taylor was worth taking a shot at. If he played close to his 2007 level the Skin season would have been far different.I feel differnt about the AH move. That one will blow up in their faces.$100mill can plug a number of holes.

Posted by: ayala1 | March 2, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"HB 5'10 242

JT 6'6 244
AC 6'4 253
CW 6'4 247
RJ 6'4 269

This isn't Madden. You can't just edit a players position and it works magically.

Posted by: dericozw | March 2, 2009"

Perhaps but it also clearly says that HB with the lower center of gravity at approximately the same weight will be better against the run. And that is key in the 4-3.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason why the Skins are mediocre year after year while the Giants, Philly, and Dallas improve. Canty signed with NY even knowing he wouldn't start and Keith Brookings will be starting at LB for Dallas. The Redskins could have had both if they didn't go overboard with Haynesworth.

We're way over the cap again with major holes at O-Line, DE, and LB, plus no depth at safety. Not to mention we need a new punter and probably a kicker.

Way to go Danny and Vinny - you've just bought another 8-8 team for 2009!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 2, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

the cowdungs won 4 fewer games this year to 07 and the igles went from 10-6 to 8-8 to 9-6-1. not exactly what i call improving. brooking is too old and on the decline, just check his stats.as for canty, he was everyones plan b. the gints tried for AH and lost so in a sense we did do what they would've done.

Posted by: hcicron | March 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander is 6'1" and 286 pounds. Should we move him to linebacker? ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

DE's and OLB's should share one attribute: quickness and speed. The size of the DE should be greater for stopping the run and breaking down blocking schemes. OLB's should be able to drop back in pass coverage and make open field tackles.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

$8.5 million allows you to go for a higher pick in the draft. I'm thinking the Skins KNOW that they need a RT in the draft this year and they'll need to move up to get the guy they want.

As for the timing on Taylor, I do think it means the Skins aren't done talking with FA, possibly including Demetric Evans. I don't think Vinny wanted to see both Evans and Taylor go. One or the other, not both.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder why Taylor was released today. If they didn't need the cap relief right now, I would be in favor of letting him languish all summer, then cut him in September when everyone's crunched for time and money.

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2009"

Clearly Snyder is on the move to sign other free agents.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:35 PM

Probably. Isn't he always?

But the explanation on ESPN was that Zorn is trying to get control over the pampered veterans. He's the one who's tired of all these guys wandering off on their own and excusing themselves from being a part of the team. He's the one who wanted the off season activities (25 days out of 39) put into Taylor`s contract.

I'm glad to hear about it. Now, let's put it into everyone's contract, not just Taylor's.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

On Canty, I suspect we'll see both Haynesworth and Montgomery rotating in at DE. That should be a better solution than Canty.

At this point linebacker is suspect and they do need a better choice Smoot, Justin Tryon, or Kareem Moore at Cornerback.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett.

2 draft picks for Jason Taylor.

how can anyone believe in you Vinny when you give away high draft picks for 1 and done players.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | March 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

4. The Redskins re-signing cornerback DeAngelo Hall to a reported six-year contract worth $54 million, $22.5 million of which is guaranteed: Talk about big risks.

Late last season, Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank told me that Hall, one of his former players, had some maturing to do. That was after the Oakland Raiders sent the cornerback packing because they, too, had issues with his lack of maturity and generally poor attitude.

"Here's a guy that Atlanta didn't want because he was a cancer and Oakland didn't want because he was an even bigger cancer," said an NFL GM. "The Redskins know this … and they're giving him that kind of money? It just doesn't make sense."

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

1. Haynesworth's seven-year, $100-million contract from the Redskins: According to various media reports, the deal is structured so that it essentially will be a four-year agreement worth $48 million. But the most important part of the deal -- and the part that has more than a few people around the league questioning its wisdom -- is that $41 million (or 85 percent) is guaranteed, including $32 million in the first 13 months.

That just seems like a whole lot of commitment to a player who arrives from the Tennessee Titans with more than a few troubling question marks.

The biggest, as a general manager who requested anonymity pointed out, is his "reputation for picking spots when he wants to play hard." Haynesworth also once suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament, kicked a helmetless Dallas Cowboy in the head during a game not long ago, and has had his share of off-field issues.

No NFL GMs or player agents with whom I spoke questioned Haynesworth's place atop this year's free-agent crop. They just wonder, as I do, whether a team with so many needs, especially on offense, should devote so much money to a defensive tackle. Haynesworth had the most dominant season of his career in 2008, yet it still wasn't good enough to allow the Titans to avoid going one and done in the playoffs.

For all of that guaranteed money the Redskins are paying him, his presence is expected to, at the very least, guarantee a playoff appearance -- and probably a lot more.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What a waste. Parcells knew what he was doing dumping an aging player with not much left. The sad thing is that he was the worst DE we had last year. With the holes on the O-line a 2nd round pick would have been nice to have.

Posted by: skinsFan74 | March 2, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Free-agency signings reflect draft-class weaknesses:

Right after NFL executives and coaches returned from an intense week at the combine in Indianapolis, the free-agency period started. Early free-agent signings might point to the positions that teams believe are lacking in the 2009 draft class.

The contracts signed by Scott, Jonathan Vilma, Takeo Spikes, Michael Boley and even Keith Brooking tells me the linebacker talent pool in the draft is suspect. The guard population in the draft also is a concern to NFL teams as Chris Kemoeatu, Brandon Moore and Derrick Dockery all cashed in right away in free agency.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that Demetric Evans would get starters money from the Skins. But he would most definitely "fit" better than Carter if you want a true 4-3 DE instead of a hybrid tweener.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

OF course, we got a comp pick (3rd round) for Duckett. Not that it makes the move brilliant, but the actual cost of TJ was pretty minimal.
Even Arch Deluxe got us a sixth, for about $10M of Danny's money. [And if you want to know why Gregg isn't our coach, perhaps a little more exploration of that signing might be in order].
Lloyd just flat out sucked.
In so many ways.

Taylor for a 2nd (ignore the 6th in 2010 for a moment) seemed reasonably fair for the potential talent. If he had gone on IR as a result of that blow to the knee he had in preseason, would we be Up Here whining about Vinnie?

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"WILL TRADE THEIR 13TH PICK
TO THE CAROLINA PANTHERS FOR PEPPER!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 6:34 PM"

Way too old. They do appear to following one convention; every guy they have signed has been younger than usual.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

This Taylor clause situation should have been dealt with before free agency began. At least then we would could have had a better plan nowing we weren't going to have him. This just goes to show how our management team does business. Not too bright!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

FOOLS, FOOLS, FOOLS! Time and again this management team throws away the future (draft picks) for some big name that never pans out. The Steelers NEVER win free agency--they just win. WHY??? They don't throw away their draft picks.

Snyder is incompetent and as owner. His teams are a joke and him management team is the NFL's version of AIG. For shame on all of us who ever believed in this snake oil salesman.

Posted by: danrunner | March 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

One step forward, two steps backwards. That's your Washington Redskins in a nut-shell! Now we're thin at DE (once again). Even if we draft a rookie DE, he is still a rookie.

But like I said, until this team upgrades the offense significantly, you can forget about this team ever being a playoff contender. 11 points per game over the last 8 games? What a joke!

Even the Detroit Lions (0-16) scored 3 more points than our hapless offense!!

Posted by: RFKROX | March 2, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Seemed like a nice guy but I think dancing is his thing now. George Allen would have known what to do with him. Jason covered his inadequacies with chatter. He won't be missed.

The management of the Redskins, Bullets and Nationals really need to sell their teams to people who know how to operate professional sports franchises.


Posted by: mortified469 | March 2, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Not the correct message

The economy is bad right now, and the amount of boasting about the size of contracts signed in the first few days of free agency sends a bad message to NFL fans. I have received numerous e-mails from fans who are concerned the NFL is getting away from them and that they won't have the resources to bring a family of four to a game this year.

Granted, some of the contract numbers being thrown around are inflated, but it's becoming harder to accept that football players are worth even the real money they are making. In 2009, a 53-man roster must fit under a $127 million salary cap. Do the math, and that's $2.44 million per player. Fans need to see ticket prices reduced, not raised, to cover the problems that some of these contracts will cause.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

FOOLS, FOOLS, FOOLS! Time and again this management team throws away the future (draft picks) for some big name that never pans out. The Steelers NEVER win free agency--they just win. WHY??? They don't throw away their draft picks.

Snyder is incompetent and as owner. His teams are a joke and his management team is the NFL's version of AIG. For shame on all of us who ever believed in this snake oil salesman.

Posted by: danrunner | March 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

peri,i couldn't agree with you more about the linebacker analysis and D.Evans. most of the backers are projecting to be good fits in 3-4 schemes and canty is from a 3-4 so unless we switch up doesnt make sense for us

Posted by: hcicron | March 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

This Taylor clause situation should have been dealt with before free agency began. At least then we would could have had a better plan nowing we weren't going to have him. This just goes to show how our management team does business. Not too bright!

Posted by: joeboggs | March 2, 2009 8:55 PM

joeboggs, Probably it was. Probably Taylor`s agent said `sure, no problem.` But when it came time to sign the paper, Taylor balked.

The man is a fool. He walked away from $8 million and he won`t get another contract -- if he gets one at all -- that pays more than $3 million. So, he`s willing to give up $5 million to get out of 25 off season workouts. And, if he gets another contract, don`t you think the team might want him to participate in off season workouts?

The whole thing seems pretty fishy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Lorenzo Alexander is 6'1" and 286 pounds. Should we move him to linebacker? ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 8:38 PM"

Where did you find this?

Lozo is 300lbs.
redskins.com

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"One step forward, two steps backwards. That's your Washington Redskins in a nut-shell! Now we're thin at DE (once again). Even if we draft a rookie DE, he is still a rookie."

Both Haynesworth and Montgomery can and probably will rotate in at end. This position is covered. They may resign Demetric Evans or someone else.

Its linebacker and depth at corner now.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I have not been a big fan of the FO...that being said...I like everything that the FO has done so far this off season. I wanted AH from the start...finally a way to pressure the QB. Cutting Taylor and his 8M allows us to get someone better/faster for DE and LB. I wanted to cut Springs last off season...dude is old and only real good for 1 or 2 games a year (not to mention he likes to bed down with TO when he goes to Dallas. Hall was awesome this year (unlike Rogers...he gets interceptions). Cutting Washington had to be done. PLEASE REMEMBER WE HAD THE 4TH BEST D IN THE NFL THIS SEASON. WHO PUT THE D TOGETHER...HMMM! The analysts I have seen (like Shecter and Clayton) report that AH/Hall upgrade this team. Getting Dock back was a good move. I am way more excited this year than last. Oh and by the way to Mr. Brokenclipboard....Cutler is a head case....JC is a team player...give him a line pls. so we can see what he can do!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I like this decision, and I guess probably the training camp disagreement was just an excuse.

Posted by: johnsmith9 | March 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is incompetent and as owner. His teams are a joke and his management team is the NFL's version of AIG.

Posted by: danrunner | March 2, 2009 8:57 PM

Huh? AIG loses money and went bankrupt. Snyder makes it, building the franchise into the most valuable in the NFL. His management team is hitting on all cylinders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Taylor's release had nothing to do with cap room. The Skins wanted him back and were willing to pay him an extra $500,000 to work out for 25 days at the team's facilities. His response was, that he had not spent time with his family for 12 months, so he wanted to back down to Miami in the off-season. Then the team released him because of his perceived lack of commitment. Maybe he should have just brought his family up to DC.

Posted by: threeof3 | March 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Shaun McDonald might come cheap at WR.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

What did Jason Taylor,for The"Skin's"?

Posted by: lnyk | March 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Skins problem on the DL was at DE, not DT. Golston, Griffin and Alexander are all good players. Evans was also used as DT at times. It was a solid, though not spectacular, group.

Albert upgrades the DT, but the DE's are worse off at this point, having lost our only talented DE in Taylor and another solid player in Evans.

Realistically, the best hope for the Skins defense to be an elite defense in 2009 was for Jason Taylor to return to his Miami form.

Carter just doesn't have it and at the money he's getting, not good. Carter makes a decent number of tackles because he works hard and can stay on the field for a lot more plays than most DE's. But he gets handled one on one far too easily.

If Albert comes to play, the whole DL gets a lift. But we still have a bunch of holes to fill, DE included.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

What did Jason Taylor,for The"Skin's"?

Posted by: lnyk | March 2, 2009 9:06 PM

This seems like a trick question, but I`ll take a stab at it.

Jason Taylor,for The"Skin's" did what squat diddly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

looks like periculum read pat kirwan's column on nfl.com....

TE and others....Taylor bought his free agency, all the excuses are smoke screen. He will now get a contract, for less certainly, that will allow him to cap his career how he wants. He was a square peg in our scheme and knew staying here was detrimental to his legacy. He is willing to get paid less to protect that.

And he will get a decent contract on a contender. Wont shock me when its Dallas.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

the DE's are worse off at this point,

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:07 PM

I don't really see it. Taylor didn't play last year, so losing him is losing nothing. Losing Evans is a problem, but presumably we`re going to make him, or someone better, an offer. And we`re getting back the two guys who went down on day 1 of camp, causing us to trade for Taylor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

My AIG dig is about winning. AIG's prime directive is about making money. The skins success should be measured in wins and losses. Snyder's management team wastes resources (drafts picks and the future) and has been a disaster. Sure the skins make money. They are the CUBS of the NFL. They make money and lose on the field. As a fan, football is about winning and winning alone--not revenue streams. I find Snyder's approach to running a football team analogous to "Bankrupting" the team. If you took my metaphor too seriously, sorry, probably a poor choice on my part. But I want wins and playoff runs. Snyder, by that barometer of success, is bankrupt.

Posted by: danrunner | March 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with someone here the skins should resign Demetric Evans and draft a young linemen. Daniels unfortunately is too old and should step aside. We need to also sign a undrafted RB... Ladell should be cut this year he fumbles too much and has lost 2 steps. Jason Taylor is another shinning example of Vinnys incompetence. They always shop for FAs in Nordstroms when you can find similar items in Target. They not only wasted 8 million but to add insult to injury they also lost 2 draft picks (2nd round in 2009) and a 6th round pick in 2010. I just can't believe I am the only person here that sees that something is terribly wrong with the way this organization is run. I am have come to the realization that this team is run by a bunch of misfits and Vinny in my opinion has clearly demonstrated that he not only profoundly arrogant but a terrible judge of talent. Year after year you can easily name a failed FA aquisition orchestrated by Vinny, quite frankly he is a joke when you compare him to other NFL GMs. Jason (Reid) you should conduct a poll (with unnamed executives thoughout the league and ask them what their opinion is of Vinny, I would be very interested to see what the responses would be. You would of course ^&ss a lot of Redskins people off but it would be enlightning to the fans. The best thing that can happen to DC is Dannys' failed free agent spending experiments and market conditions force him to sell the team. This scenerio although desirable is highly improbable.

Posted by: TheCounterTre | March 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Wont shock me when its Dallas.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 9:12 PM

I don`t see Dallas. I don`t think he wants back in the NFC East. I think he goes back to the AFC. Patriots just freed up a lot of cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

See ya Jason Taylor, have fun dancing. Hope you take Cerrato with you. Sure would have been nice to have Canty at Left D End. Now that would have been a good D Line!

At least Taylor is gone. Dude is to much of a wuss to last in the NFC East.

Posted by: Skin1 | March 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny destroy teams the old fashioned way, they pay lavish, front-loaded contracts.

The elite teams (Pats, Steelers, Indy, Giants) have built team cultures that place winning ABOVE everything else. Randy Moss, Tom Brady and Corey Dillon took less money from the Pats to win a title.

By contrast, the Skins' Danny/Vinny culture is rotten to the core. Players come just to get paid, nothing more, which is why they will never win a SuperBowl as long as Danny and Vinny are running this team.

Need more proof, here's a sampling of this mgmt team's choices:

Dana Stubblefield
Jeff George
Jeremiah Trotter
Danny Weurfell
James Washington
Lavar Arrington
Steve Spurrier
Bruce Smith
Deion Sanders
Ken Norton Jr.
Jacques Green
Laverneus Coles
David Patten
Brandon Lloyd
Randall El
Andre Carter
Mark Brunell
Adam Archuleta
Christian Fauria
TJ Duckett
Jason Taylor ?
Portis - traded for shutdown CB, Bailey
Ryan Clark - released for $1 and shines in Pittsburgh
Walt Harris - released for $1 then led the NFL in interceptions as a 49er
Albert Haynesworth
DeAngelo Hall
Antonio Pierce - released then shines in NY.


Case closed. Boycott and then get rid of Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: tonyhs | March 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

What don't you people understand about the players in this league view Washington? It is common knowledge around the league that Washington is the place to go to be paid. Have a decent year before and then sign for a huge bonus plus guaranteed salary and then sit on your fat ass for as long as the team will keep you. Don't believe me? Listen to the players on other teams who are trying to get here and take some of ahole Snyder's money.

Posted by: MKadyman | March 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Taylor bought his free agency, all the excuses are smoke screen.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 9:12 PM

You know, not participating in the off season workouts was a big issue in Miami last year with Parcells.

I'm not convinced Taylor gets much of a contract. He didn't have anything last year and it's not clear why he would have anything that a team can count on next year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting. Danny and Obama must be twins. They spend lots of money and all we get is screwed in the end. The only real difference I can see is that one has ears like dumbo. Certainly neither one has any idea what he is doing -- they just spend money and things just keep going down hill. Maybe if we get rid of them both, DC and the Skins will get back on track.

Posted by: Obamasux | March 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

We have one option. Trade Ladell Betts for whatever picks we can get. Bring back Marcus Mason.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

That's a nice list you got there, but Dana Stubblefield signed on with the redskins in 1998, Snyder took over in May 1999.
I'm pretty sure Ken Norton Jr. was never on the skins. Didn't he retire a 49er?

Also, Don't forget Anthony Reidel, and sh!tty projects like Rod Gardner and Taylor Jacobs.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Another stupid move by my cousin Vinny. Taylor wasn't going to be around for the offseason is a surprise? That's why he was available you idiot! He was due to make a bonus of $8 million somehow was unknown when you traded for him? No ability to look any further than the upcoming year is the real problem here. Another wasted draft choice. When will the Redskins be freed of this moronic buffoon and fantasy football, no excuse for an owner?

Posted by: tvmccarron | March 2, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

well now the 13th pick has to be a DE {FSU guy} i agree with trading Betts.....Maybe 5th or a 6th for him. next pick needs to be OLine.

Posted by: toons123 | March 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

What is the great love for Canty?

2008 Stats
Canty - 37 tackles, 3 sacks
Taylor - 29 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF
Evans - 33 tackles, 3.5 sacks
Carter - 37 tackles, 4 sacks

Not sure what I am missing and why Canty was a must have.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

As a fan, football is about winning and winning alone--not revenue streams

Posted by: danrunner

I think that many of the NFL's owners would disagree with your statement seeing as how they opted out of the CBA so that they could fight with the players about their revenue streams. As skins fans we are being held at "the whim of a madman" (it's better if you imagine dennis hopper saying it) by snyders refusal to bring in a quality talent evaluator. At this point only one thing is certain:
things could be worse. we could have bat$#!~ crazy al davis giving out huge contracts to dlinemen we never heard of. or ralph wilson/paul brown, both so cheap they will never win.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Finally! The team is making a commitment to having players that workout and practice. This makes a statement that players that aren't committed to the team will hit the street. Amen.

Now, go re-sign Demtric Evans and look for another defensive end that can fit in the rotation. Philip Daniels is part of the oft-injured group of players the Redskins have scraped off of their shoes this off-season. Re-signing him would be asking for more of the same misery so let him go, and bring back the brown bag toting Evans that just gives 100% on every play and stays healthy.

Oh, and since we freed up some cash, grab another free agent offensive lineman.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

lifelong,
he played in a 34 D so his job is not really about the stats, its about the stats of the guys around him. look at the stats for ray lewis the year before and after haloti natah got there to see what i mean. that being said, i thinf a blocking dummy could have played next to demarcus ware and he still would get 10 sacks. I think the reason for the love on canty is more about his physical attributes 6'6" 300 lbs and athletically freakish for a man that size. he would have been a nice pickup for us especially with the glaring hole we now have at DE, but for the money he got paid by ny they can keep him. hes not an 8 mil a year guy

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

O-lineman take 2 to 4 years to develop into NFL caliber players, the draft is NOT going to fill the right tackle and right guard positions. Since the Redskins are in desperate need of replacements at those positions they will have to come from free agency. Jason just finished his fourth year which removes all questions about his future potential, it is non-existent. The Redskins needs a QB. The alternative to not making those fixes is the 11 points a game they averaged in the last 8 games and the 3 and out pattern they established.
The Redskins fixed a defense that wasn't broken. It would be a good idea to start fixing the offense, which is broken.

Posted by: edeshields | March 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

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