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A Redskins Reunion in The Big Easy?

I would not be surprised to see the New Orleans Saints to make a push for ex-Skins Shawn Springs and Marcus Washington. Both were immediate signings by Washington in 2004, when Gregg Williams was in his first year as the defensive coordinator.

Now Williams is entering his first season as the Saints' defensive boss, and the team has needs at both corner and linebacker. Several league sources say they anticipate the Saints making a pitch for their services.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 27, 2009; 10:43 AM ET
 
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Grilliams bringing in older talent... maybe Vinny isnt the main problem, maybe it was Gibbs and Williams... he just folds to them.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Well I hope he only needs them for 5-6 games because that is all he will get.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

wait, the saints could have leigh torrence and Shawn Springs on their roster?

Championship!

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

And they would rejoin Leigh Torrence!

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. Springs and marcus...that's going to REALLY help out that defense

Posted by: p1funk | February 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I've been as critical as it gets of this front office. However, given the limited time left in the elite nature of Fletcher, Portis, and Moss and the needs of this team along with only 4 draft picks. Essentially trading out Springs for Hall and signing Haynesworth should address the pressure/turnover issue and if they sign a legit guard or draft one along with a RT at 13 its hard to blame them if the team doesn't succeed next year. A good defense has gotten better and a offensive line has improved. This assumes a move for a legit guard and a draft pick of a RT at 13, assuming that happens and they don't pick a tight end at 13 this was a successful offseason and I will give them credit.....while watching it all somehow fall apart on the field....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams bringing in older talent... maybe Vinny isnt the main problem, maybe it was Gibbs and Williams... he just folds to them.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 10:52 AM

Do you think? Gibbs was in charge when he was here, not Vinny.

Vinny/Snyder like the Big Plash, Gibbs the guys closer to his age. Between them they've produced a Frankenstein roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

yeah, we got rid of two oft-injured high priced players and brought in/resigned younger guys who are in their prime.

b@tch if you want, but this is what we were asking for...at least it happened, despite the fact it may not have happened exactly as we expected/wanted...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Also, this signing I hope sparks them to move Lorenzo Alexander back to guard. he does no good for us as the 5 DT and he could be a sleeper for at least quality depth there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Can we get an update on Rogers being traded? That was really some inside info. LMAO!!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Do you think? Gibbs was in charge when he was here, not Vinny.

Vinny/Snyder like the Big Plash, Gibbs the guys closer to his age. Between them they've produced a Frankenstein roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 10:57 AM |

Gibbs was in total charge that has been reported, Vinny had very little say if any.

Gibbs got caught up in the FA's thing and did bring in some good players but he also got some duds.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

zeebs, that is a GREAT summation of what has happened.

I'm not saying these are lead pipe locks for working out, but exactly like you said, swapped older and injured for younger and in their prime.

Bring in Dock, and Willis, and I think thats a pretty good haul....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Vinny just said on 980, that there was another team who offered AH more money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams bringing in older talent... maybe Vinny isnt the main problem, maybe it was Gibbs and Williams... he just folds to them.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 10:52 AM

Unless Greggggg and Gibbs handled last year's draft and traded for Jason Taylor, it's TOTALLY Vinny...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Vinny said they still have money and are looking for an O-Linemen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I just think fletch will go off this year... look what happened to ray lewis when he didnt have Ngata... he was average.

Our running game in the first eight games was great because we down blocked on the DT's like Shaun Rodgers with Rabach who then handed him off to Thomas or Kendall, who in turn blew up the DT, then Rabach got out on the MLB.

With AL, that wont happen to fletch, as it did last year. A year, mind you, when he still put up great numbers even though we didnt have him able to run free.

He will explode this year.

Fletch > Lewis... and now he can prove it.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Does Albert improve our team?

YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
sorry don't have time to finish....

Thats all you have to ask yourself.

Relax and wait for the other FA to come

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Just listening to WTEM and caught a clip of Vinny Cerrato saying that the Bucs actually offered Haynesworth more than the Skins?

Is that right?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - did he say which team, or which lineman?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Bring in Dock, and Willis, and I think thats a pretty good haul....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

That would be a DAMN good haul. Although I'd put Angelo Crowell ahead of Willis on the pecking order of free agents, and instead focus on getting a RT in the draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, flound, he knows he will get more upfrotn money in two years when we restructure...

and brown, i think with Al, you will now see JT, unijured, be the player we expected, which would then change your mind, yes??

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Our offseason agenda is now complete, make sure the demoralized fanbase is recharged for ridiculous fan days at training camp!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

nice job on sportscenter, JLa

Posted by: jchoe83 | February 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - did he say which team, or which lineman?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 11:06 AM |

No on both, but hammerhan seems to think Dockery will be the linemen because Buges loves him.

The other team was not mentioned I will assume it was the Bucs. because of all the money they have.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Vinny said they still have money and are looking for an O-Linemen.

Posted by: Flounder21

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Just as I suspected. They added $150 million in contracts with just over $8 million of cap space. Even if they have just $3 million left over from Springs' release, that's more than enough to sign another mid-level FA or two, and all 4 draft picks.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I think it was Tampa Bay, NFL Network was saying that they were right there with the Redskins in the race for AH. Which is amazing considering that they had over 60 million in cap space to work with.

Flound, thanks for the updates, keep em coming...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Vinny just said on 980, that there was another team who offered AH more money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:02 AM

Doubt that...unless Steinbrenner just bought an NFL team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

jchoe, please transcribe a little of the high points, would you?

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

My rough estimate of the first year cap hits:

Hall -- $23M guaranteed over six years, plus vet. min this year: about $5M.

Haynesworth -- $41M guaranteed over seven year, plus vet. min this year: about $7M.

Yesterday I read that the 'Skins were $8M under the salary cap. (Of course, there are lots of estimates out there and it's hard to trust them.) Add in the $6M for Shawn and they're now $2M under the cap, just short of what they'll need to sign their draft class.

They have to do something with Taylor's contract -- cut or restructure -- to get Dockery and/or Willis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

From RotoWorld (because PFT is down):

The 49ers have scheduled free agent visits with DL Demetric Evans and FB Moran Norris.
They want Norris back to lead block for Frank Gore. Mike Martz got rid of Norris last year because he couldn't catch. Evans isn't ideally built to play end in the Niners' 3-4 defense, but could fill a Marques Douglas-like role.

Posted by: HenryHog | February 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


Also, this signing I hope sparks them to move Lorenzo Alexander back to guard. he does no good for us as the 5 DT and he could be a sleeper for at least quality depth there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Or is he able to slim down some and play DE if Evans leaves?

Either way, good observation and he could be an X factor.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Doubt that...unless Steinbrenner just bought an NFL team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:09 AM |

It will come out people will know how much he was offered.

If it was the Bucs. they just gutted there entire team screw going there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Turns out that Leigh Torrence is a restricted free agent in New Orleans. We could still see the dude in marroon and black this year!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

DOC just said Fletcher just got a dump truck put in front of him, and should have a 145 tackles this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

It was probably the titans... but he didnt want to stay there.

even if it wasnt, he sees how it works here, he will get another fat signing bonus in two years...

lets just hope he wants to win a SB

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

AS Dick Enberg would say…”OH MY!”
Kudos to the bunch of you guys who were BYOG all last night. I slept rather well thanks!
I like both signings and am already getting excited to watch this D next year. I might be upset like many up here are if the free agent signing period ENDED at 6am this morning and there was no draft. But get this; there are still talks of signing another OL (hope to see Dockery re-signed) or two, and then we still have the 13th pick in the draft. Who knows how the draft will play out, but if we get the OL bolstered through free agency, it opens up a world of options. Assuming they get an OL or 2 before the draft, I would be happy to see any of the following with pick 13; Left tackle, Orapko, Maulaualaualualaauaga, or trade back for more picks. We definitely need to get a good linebacker somewhere in there, not necessarily at 13.

There are several ways to look at the upcoming year; I for one can’t wait. I gotta say I’m with Beantown this morning and just don’t understand how so many people get so upset over these things when they haven’t played out yet. There really are some folks who are going to be negative no matter what happens and need to get their blood pressure checked…..oh well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Who was it that posted the link yesterday to the site that had all the projected cap ramifications for Hall and Haynesworth?

What did they say was the estimated rookie cap hits?

And what's the deal with rookie allocations? Is there a chance that's already been factored into the Redskins salary cap figures?

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Whatever AH got offered by another team, I'm sure the structure was the issue. It was probably less money guaranteed up front and more money dished out over the latter years of the contract, but more total $$.

Does AH improve our team? The answer is yes, on paper. If he's fat and unmotivated and injured in actual life then the answer is no. But we'll have to see.

My criticism is this: whatever potential improvement we get, it is still not worth $100 mill with $40 mill up front - I wouldn't mind giving that to Tom Brady, but to Albert Haynesworth??? And I don't like the mentality that we had to spend $100 mill on a DT, just to get better production out of our already too expensive pass-rushers (Carter and Taylor).

But I'm willing to shut my mouth on the issue if we can land Dockery and take a top-notch O-linman in the draft.

I also praise the D.Hall resigning, and the Springs releasing.

Posted by: p1funk | February 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

thank you floud, just what i was saying... and Doc knows a thing or two...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Yes...Saints....pleeeeeeeease let it be anybody but Dallas.

C'mon, Saints!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | February 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Wassup Peeps, having a hard time trying to work and keep up with the posts and all.

I'm trying to be optimistic about the Haynesworth signing. It just smells like Dana Stubblefield all over again, I hope I'm wrong.

I would have settled for Canty and Dock, but if we ended up signing Dock anyway, then I guess I can't be mad at that.

I still don't know where the Skins get the money from to do these deals. Snyder must be bankin on the uncapped year.

Thanks Shawn Springs for the good years, and for shutting down TO like you did.

I will not be surprised to see him sign with Dallas tho. He would be close to his ailing father and TO is his best friend.

Hail to the Redskins 5-time NFL offeason champs!

Posted by: Predator48 | February 27, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I love the idea of Lorenzo moving to Offensive line....whatever it takes to get that dude on the field as much as possible in a real way.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

+++DUDE WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THE REDSKINS HAD A GAME CHANGING DT!!!I

Posted by: all_this_bs +++

His name was Stubblefield, fans like you were excited to sign him, Snyder overpaid, and he was a lazy, out-of-shape bust. Next question.

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I love the idea of Lorenzo moving to Offensive line....whatever it takes to get that dude on the field as much as possible in a real way.

Posted by: chrislarry

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As long as he's not covering Brian Westbrook in the flat.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I love the idea of Lorenzo moving to Offensive line....whatever it takes to get that dude on the field as much as possible in a real way.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:17 AM |

CL,

Agreed on that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Springs has got to go to Dallas; too many factors to send him there:
- His dad was a cowboy and is (I think) still in a dallas hospital
- He’s good buddies with TO of all people
- Dallas’s secondary is notoriously in need of help.
- Jones is stupid enough to pay big money for 6 games

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION -

Do incentive bonuses count against the cap?

Obviously, the salaries and signing bonuses (prorated) for AH and DH will cost against the cap -

does the NON- guarenteed money count?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I doubt it ryp, because there is no guarantee it will be paid so how can they count it... capology yo, capology...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

well yes psp within reason...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

We still need a starting linebacker to replace M. Washington. If we land Dockery I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft a linebacker. Orakpo is shooting up the draft boards and is a hybrid DE/LB. He may not be there for us a 13 maybe Rey Maluaga from USC will. ESPN NFC East blogger said that Orakpo made comments during the combine that he spoke to Redskins about being a outside linebacker. I'm interested to see what they do.

Posted by: jrgreen_99 | February 27, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

only for the last unCAPped year is the incentive bonus counted against the CAP (LTBE AND ULTBE)

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 27, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

You call yourself the "Redskin Insider?" WHY? You have no . . .zero . . .nada . . inside information!! You have been blogging for weeks about how the Redskin were NOT going to be active in free agency and then they spend $150 million in eight hours and are not done yet!! JLC, you are just a reporter who writes about news thats ALREADY HAPPENED! NO "INSIDER" information at all!! Bad job!

Posted by: Jeffmc2002 | February 27, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

His name was Stubblefield, fans like you were excited to sign him, Snyder overpaid, and he was a lazy, out-of-shape bust. Next question.

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM |

Stubby was only dominate in SF because he had a better DT next to him. He did not have that here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

He was also on roids which will turn you fat if you dont work out/run...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Rak, would be huge to get at #13.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Morning all!

Based on last night's events I don't think that the Skins will draft a OT or a D-lineman with the 13th pick. Here's my logic: We can probably fudge a little more cap space to get Dockery and a RT (Willis perhaps). Danny will want to make a spash on the offensive side and since we drafted WR and TE last year, that leaves QB and RB. I don't think they're sold on Stafford or Sanchez. My prediction - and this will make The Truth smile - Knowshon Moreno. Steelers didn't have the greatest line, but they had an awesome D. Moreno would be the homerun hitter that we've been missing. Your thoughts?

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:15 AM

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fred Taylor signs with Pats.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

His name was Stubblefield, fans like you were excited to sign him, Snyder overpaid, and he was a lazy, out-of-shape bust. Next question.

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM

Ah, Mr. Cruck, in your rush to pee on Mr. Snyder, you played a little fast and loose with the facts again.

Stubblefield joined the Redskins in 1998. Mr. Snyder bought the team in May, 1999. So this particular piece of talent evaluation belonged to Messrs. Cooke and Casserly. In fact, Snyder was instrumental in Stubby's early return to San Francisco -- where he had apparently "left his heart."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Seriously - not challenging - I don't remember anyone ever saying the Redskins weren't going to be active in Free Agency -

And why is everyone so freakin' cranky? When has the salary cap ever been a deterent to this team getting the player they want? We've improved an area that did not perform at an exceptional level last year - we got the best player in FA to improve an area that needed some improvement. Are there any OL guys out there that we COULD have signed that would provide a similar level of impact? Has anyone said that we're not going after OL guys in free agency? NO!

So relax...calm down - the Redskins just got better, at least on paper - that's a good thing...

really

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think the Haynesworth signing is too big a risk, and an overall indication that Snyder doesn't learn from past mistakes (Stubby, Gilbert.)

That said, there are positives:

It led to Springs being released. Love him healthy, but his injuries will break your heart.

I thought of four more, but I'm putting it in my column. It'll be up soon

Look, if Haynesworth is a man of his word, and is TRUELY dedicated to making folks admit he was worth all that money, and IF he stays healthy, it's a good movie.

But that's not an odds on favorite to happen.

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

bean, i would rather have cushing.... they spotlighted his workouts and his drive, and he has that special something that seems to point towards greatness... more of a natural SLB...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So I'm guessing Griffin will line up next to Albert, and Monte and Golston will add depth. I can definitely live with that. Funny how Springs said he was a fan of the game. I guess that's why he preferred the sidelines last yr.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 27, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Good point didn't even think of that wow Cork you must feel pretty dumb right about now.

But keep up the hate even if it is at the wrong people.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Stubby was only dominate in SF because he had a better DT next to him. He did not have that here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:23 AM

Whoops! He had "Big Daddy" Wilkinson. Both these guys had been dominant in other cities. Maybe it was the coaching here in DC?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

ritca, unbelievably foolish move to draft either a qb, or rb at #13. The lack of logic in that process you came up with is stunning.

zeebs, I haven't seen cushing too much yet. I'm sold on rak however...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Whoops! He had "Big Daddy" Wilkinson. Both these guys had been dominant in other cities. Maybe it was the coaching here in DC?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:29 AM |

That could be true to TE, they were terrible here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And in other free agengcy news, Stephon Marbury has cleared waivers and is expected to sign with the Celtics...oops wrong sport and who cares anyway...lol

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Just say no to Orakpo!

Seriously folks. If we do not start investing some $$ and picks into our O-line, we are going into the season with the following starting 5:

Samuels - Rhino(?) - Rabach - Thomas - Jansen/Heyer

Anyone feel good about that????

Posted by: p1funk | February 27, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"Both these guys had been dominant in other cities.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Stubblefield, yes. Big Daddy, no. He was largely considered a bust, played in a 3-4 in Cleveland, was not happy there, and the fans were just as happy as he to ship him out of town.

Big Daddy was one of those "we can bring it out of him" type players, not a "this guy is proven to be dominant" player.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander on DOC's show, DOC asked how often the D-Line is let loose after the QB.

Alexander said only on 3rd down 1st and 2nd down stopping the run is first and formost.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

te, did you just say that Big Daddy was dominant....really....really?? Where, was this, and what day did it happen??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

cork, you are pulling out sean gilbert? wasnt that 1995? not on synders watch...

the indication that synder doesnt learn is the FA class of 2004 which is/was eating up a lot of cap space and playing time (or lack there of). We may be duplicating that in 09... but there is no indication this wont work this time.

As others have said, some people just want to be upset, but until we know, we just dont know. I just cant live my life wringing my hands over what has transpired today. We just have to relax and wait and see

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

When has the salary cap ever been a deterent to this team getting the player they want?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM

Right now. We'd like to add Canty, Scott, and about five other high-priced guys but we can'ty because of the stupid salary cap.

We have an insatiable appetite for all pros, but we're limited to two. You just wait until the cap goes away and then you'll see now it's done in the Capital of the Free World.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I'm not saying it is what I would want/do. I'm saying that Danny and Vinny are crazy enough to do that. It's not my lack of logic, it's theirs. I'd much rather have OT or Orakapo.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo should be all but crossed off the board for the Redskins.

The only thing that should be crossing the Front office's mind come draft day is "Offensive Tackle, Offensive Tackle, Offensive Tackle, Offensive Tackle."

If all of the big 4 are gone, then trade back with the intention of "offensive tackle, offensive tackle, offensive tackle".

And nobody on the FA market should change that mindset. Not Dockery, not Brown, not Willis. Not even close.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

His name was Stubblefield, fans like you were excited to sign him, Snyder overpaid, and he was a lazy, out-of-shape bust. Next question.

Posted by: TheCork | February 27, 2009 11:18 AM

Ah, Mr. Cruck, in your rush to pee on Mr. Snyder, you played a little fast and loose with the facts again.

Stubblefield joined the Redskins in 1998. Mr. Snyder bought the team in May, 1999. So this particular piece of talent evaluation belonged to Messrs. Cooke and Casserly. In fact, Snyder was instrumental in Stubby's early return to San Francisco -- where he had apparently "left his heart."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM

Great stuff! I was pretty excited back then about the signing of Stubby and Big Daddy too. Norvs teams were pretty shy on defense back then.. I'd have to say pretty much everyone I knew was excited about it. Except for the few insufferable 20/20 hindsight knowitalls.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 27, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The fact that they are looking at FA o line proves where they are going to go int he draft...

at this point, i still maintain we have a bigger need at LB than oline, despite whoever that was earlier who said that was the craziest thing they have heard all day.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Wilkinson was very productive during his first season in Washington, leading the team in sacks (7.5), quarterback pressures (50) and tackles-for-loss (six). His 50 quarterback pressures were 30 more than the team's No. 2 man in that category (defensive end Kenard Lang). Wilkinson set career highs in total tackles (60) and solo stops (45), playing in more snaps (1,037) than any other defensive tackle in the NFL that season.

(From Wikipedia)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

With Stacy Andrews going to the Iggles, at this time I would be looking to upgrade the guard position in FA, and look to the draft to address the OT position with 1st round pick. The Willis guy is interesting, but really he is like Heyer, a dude who has some talent, but may not be the long term answer.

Posted by: TWISI | February 27, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So relax...calm down - the Redskins just got better, at least on paper - that's a good thing...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM

John, that's the problem...this team always gets better "on paper". And "on the field" they're just as average as the year before. At what point does the FO and we as fans, come to the realization that drafting and cultivating your own talent is what wins in this league? The Titans drafted Haynesworth and developed him into the beast you saw last year. The Steelers drafted Casey Hampton and developed him into the best nose tackle in the game. Tom Brady was drafted by the Pats, Peyton Manning--a draft pick. Not a FA signed away from another team...draft picks.

The only big name FA pick up I remember having a huge impact on a Super Bowl winning team was Reggie White. I don't give a crap about what's "on paper". I care about results on the field, and I don't know how many more years of ineptitude we have to suffer through to get to the realization that paying other people's best players won't win, developing our own great players that others will envy is what works.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

at this point, i still maintain we have a bigger need at LB than oline, despite whoever that was earlier who said that was the craziest thing they have heard all day.

Posted by: Zeebs

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Sorry Zeebs, I don't know who said it earlier, but I'm going to blindly agree. That's a pretty crazy statement.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys but my team just signed one of the most dominant defenders in football, I plan to cry and whine baby!

Posted by: Pleepleus | February 27, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

twis, andrews signed with the eagles?? how much?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

DOC just said Fletcher just got a dump truck put in front of him, and should have a 145 tackles this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:13 AM |

Hopefully, now he will make more of them behind or at the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I agree that OT is a bigger need, but if the top 4 are gone I think Orakpo makes sense, if he's there. We'll need a replacement for Taylor next year to keep our D-line solid. And the O-line draftees are deep enough that we should be able to find a RT in the 3rd round. Then after winning the Superbowl in the offseason and going 6-10 in the regular season, we'll be in line to draft a LT early in round 1 next year.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

trade back to the 20's, and pick up phil loadholt...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 27, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"The only big name FA pick up I remember having a huge impact on a Super Bowl winning team was Reggie White.

Posted by: brownwood26"

Deion Sanders...twice.

Also, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Corey Dillon, Simeon Rice, Keyshawn Johnson, Plaxico Burress...and that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A QB?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

And another thing, Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle is officially the new Redskins Insider. I mean really Jasno, to get scooped by a guy almost 2000 miles away when you were posting about how the skins weren't going to be able to do anything in FA has got to be embarrassing!

Posted by: Predator48 | February 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Big Daddy was actually an OK player for skins....just didn't equate to the trade/contract price.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Matt Ryan smiles and approves!

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 27, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg

league source tells PFT that tackle Stacy Andrews has agreed to terms with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Per the source, it's a multi-year deal averaging $7 million per season.

At this point, the structure of the contract isn't known as it relates to guaranteed money. Andrews suffered a torn ACL late in the 2008 season, and it might have prompted the Eagles to defer any large payments until March 2010, after Andrews proves that he is 100 percent.

The deal hinges on Andrews passing a physical.

For the Eagles, it was important to address quickly the tackle position, since both starters from last season, Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan, are unrestricted free agents.

Posted by: TWISI | February 27, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

RITCA,

Only reason I disagree is because the Skins are clearly pushing for a run this year. And this year, the biggest immediate need is at o-line. I'm all for drafting for the future, but with such limited picks, I'm not sure a back-up DE or project OLB would be worth it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd be willing to give up our 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounders if we could somehow land 2 picks in the top 30-40, and grab a RT (even if its second tier - Britton, Loadholt), and a beast DE/WLB. Those are our two NEEDS.

Our late round picks would likely be gambles/development projects anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

psp,

You can add AH to that list of free agents that had a big impact on superbowl winning team.
Dreaming of things to come.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

You forgot we need a kicker also. We should be able to get a decent one with our 5th round pick.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Deion Sanders...twice.

Also, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Corey Dillon, Simeon Rice, Keyshawn Johnson, Plaxico Burress...and that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:43 AM

Congrats...you just rattled off names that played for Cowboys, 49ers, Bucs and Giants teams that were already title contenders BEFORE those guys signed. The Packers were awful before Reggie White got there and Favre came along at around the same time. If you think the Skins are title contenders right now and that Haynesworth puts them over the top, you're criminally insane!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse


Also, this signing I hope sparks them to move Lorenzo Alexander back to guard. he does no good for us as the 5 DT and he could be a sleeper for at least quality depth there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

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z,

I've been thinking the same thing. I don't think he set the world on fire last year at DT. Let's try him at OG. With an offseason working with Buges, he might be part of the answer.

Skins are going to be on national TV a lot in 2009! Now let's not blow the draft!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | February 27, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ESPN reports Bart Scott is a Jet.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

You can add AH to that list of free agents that had a big impact on superbowl winning team.
Dreaming of things to come.

Posted by: RITCA

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Ahh yes. Always dreaming.

Also Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson, Marshall Faulk.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

We need to draft a large CB who can play in the slot. The guy doesn't need to be fast, just agile enough to play in a contained space and rough up TO twice a year

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 27, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

And another thing, Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle is officially the new Redskins Insider. I mean really Jasno, to get scooped by a guy almost 2000 miles away when you were posting about how the skins weren't going to be able to do anything in FA has got to be embarrassing!

Posted by: Predator48 | February 27, 2009 11:43 AM

Don't forget he got scooped by a guy THAT DOESN'T COVER EITHER TEAM! I could see a guy from Tennessee maybe getting that, but Houston? JLC should get canned for this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure Faulk went from colts to rams via trade....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry brownwood,

Neither the Bucs nor Giants were anywhere near title contenders before those guys came. The Bucs had just fired their coach for being one and done in the playoffs, the ENTIRE defense was built around Simeon Rice's pass-rushing ability on a 4-man front (and hasn't been the same since Rice's downfall), and the Giants were half a season away from pulling the plug on Eli Manning. Pretending like either of those teams were title contenders before is a joke.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Bart Scott numbers: 5 yrs / $40 million

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

From the "Breaking News: The Sky is Blue" file, PFT says that Canty's visit to Ashburn has been cancelled.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

We need to draft a large CB who can play in the slot. The guy doesn't need to be fast, just agile enough to play in a contained space and rough up TO twice a year

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 27, 2009 11:52 AM

Look no further! Leigh Torrence is an RFA. Since he was undrafted, we wouldn't even need to give up a pick if we signed him. Somehow, everything keeps coming back to LT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs got caught up in the FA's thing and did bring in some good players but he also got some duds.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 27, 2009 11:01 AM

He did more than just "get some duds". Archuleta, Lloyd, Carter, Randle-El. That is Dud City. He p%ssed away Snyder's hard earned $$$ and the dude was upset that he left on him! Talk about bad cases of hero worship, jock sniffing. This one might make it as a case study in some of the Psych texts.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

wait, so LB is our biggest need... who is our SLB? It wont be taylor... and our WLB is rocky, who may not last a whole year... we have bodies at o line who could learn, like heyer, rhino, maybe move jansen to LG...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure Faulk went from colts to rams via trade....

Posted by: chrislarry

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True, but the overall point is that he was an outside acquisition that wasn't developed by the team.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Patriots were a mediocre team just like us, and they turned it around with a plethora of average guys they brought in as free agents that were very cheap, at least two of which, Vrabel and Bruschi, have turned into all pros. The point is you jump on a guy like willis because of the possibility that he develops into an all pro in the 26-30 years of his career. Thats when players start to get it, learn how to be a pro, and many of them make a huge jump in this time

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 27, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

that rhetorical question in my first sentence should be LINE, not LB... about biggest need, in response to your responses... you know.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

From PFT

With cornerback DeAngelo Hall re-signed to a huge deal (six year, $54 million, with $22.5 million guaranteed) and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth inked to a monster contract (seven years, $100 million, with $41 million guaranteed), the Redskins appear to be slamming on the brakes as to any other free agents.

Albert Breer noted earlier that a visit from Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty has been canceled. Other visits might be on ice for now, too.

Executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato addressed the situation earlier in the day on ESPN.

"We are running out of money," Cerrato said. "So we willl be very selective in what we do from here on out."

That said, the 'Skins will free up another $6 million in instant cap space if/when they cut cornerback Shawn Springs. It's a move that many are anticipating, given the magnitude of the deal given to Hall.

Posted by: TWISI | February 27, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I would have like to see Jovan Haye (DT) in a skins uniform. He would have been very cheap and is a great pass rusher who is learning to be an everydown player. You stick Monty in on 1st down, Monty/Haye 2nd down, Haye 3rd down and you have a runn stuffing, pocket collapsing DT for 5 million a year. Cant complain about haynesworth though, he's either going to be great, or CERRATO WILL BE FIRED

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Snyder didn't sign Stubby...that was Charley Casserly.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | February 27, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs, I'll take HB Blades starting at WLB when he's surrounded by Fletch, Haynesworth, Taylor, Griffin, Landry, Hall, Rogers, Carter, Horton, and Macintosh before I'll take Chad Rinehart surrounded by Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, and Chris Samuels.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I dont think Rocky can be a SLB psps;

I would rather put Heyer and RT, and move jansen to LG and take a true SLB in the draft at 13...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

He p%ssed away Snyder's hard earned $$$ and the dude was upset that he left on him!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 27, 2009 11:57 AM

A first on RI!! The name "Snyder" and the phrase "hard earned $$$" in the same sentence! You can say a lot of things about Snyder's fortune, but I don't think "hard earned" is accurate.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"I would rather put Heyer and RT, and move jansen to LG and take a true SLB in the draft at 13...

Posted by: Zeebs"

Agree to disagree. I think that is asking for SERIOUS trouble.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Sorry brownwood,

Neither the Bucs nor Giants were anywhere near title contenders before those guys came. The Bucs had just fired their coach for being one and done in the playoffs, the ENTIRE defense was built around Simeon Rice's pass-rushing ability on a 4-man front (and hasn't been the same since Rice's downfall), and the Giants were half a season away from pulling the plug on Eli Manning. Pretending like either of those teams were title contenders before is a joke.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 11:56 AM

Dude, you make it sound like Keyshawn and Rice were brought in and POOF the Bucs are winners. They were a touchdown from the Super Bowl in 1999 BEFORE Keyshawn was there. Can't remember if Rice was there yet, I think he didn't go there until 2000 but I might be wrong.

So I'm willing to grant you Plax and maybe Keyshawn...so I'll rephrase: no big name FA other than Reggie White has impacted a team enough to go from zero to Super Bowl hero. But I'm still waiting to hear you say that Haynesworth makes the Skins a title contender...that's what we're supposed to be playing for, right?

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Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs,
Possible In house solutions to SLB:

Wallace, Rian LB 6-3 243lbs 3yrs
Sinclair, Matt LB 6-2 245lbs 2yrs
Blades, H.B. LB 5-10 250lbs 2yrs

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

i dont know TE, i dont think snyder was ever given anything... he was self made. Has to involve some hard work...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

matt,

Blades proved last year he cant play OLB... they do not get the help from the DT like MLB... they have to be able to step up and beat a blocker with speed.

Wallace and Sinclair havent shown me anything either.

I have seen Heyer play well, not all the time, but it can be done. I know jansen can play, just not quick enough on the outside, so a move inside makes sense.

with all those great defensive players in front of him, a rook LB would have time to flourish and hopefully impact day one.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

T_E,

Really? He dropped out of college because the company he started "Snyder Communications" was taking off. He sold it several years later for approx $2 billion dollars (yes billion not million). At that time he was the youngest CEO of a company listed on the NYSE. In addition to being owner of the Skins and his meddling with Six Flags and Tom Cruise, he also owns Ventiv Health with his sister. Granted, he may not have made his money digging ditches or working on an oil rig, but he made his money. It wasn't passed down to him from the family.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Dockery, Dockery, Dockery.... Come on Vinny pull the trigger.

paper champions!

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | February 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

i think they will try to address linebacker with there 13th pick...first of all the top three defensive ends are all tweeners...orakpo, brown, and maybin are all a little light...with orakpo having the most potential to play d-end in a 4-3 scheme...the top four tackles may be gone by the time we pick...and even if andre smith or oher is available, they both have character and work ethic concerns...this years draft however does have an abundance of linebackers...so i think the will try to address that...there could be as many as many as 5 linebackers chosen in the first round...and besides curry, i think we will end up having our choice of the other top linebackers...

Posted by: jasonma1 | February 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

i dont think snyder was ever given anything... he was self made. Has to involve some hard work...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:09 PM

Or, in Snyder's case, a lot of luck. Dude was in the right place at the right time with some heavy financial backing, and he got out at the peak.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

you call it luck, i call him smart...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"no big name FA other than Reggie White has impacted a team enough to go from zero to Super Bowl hero. But I'm still waiting to hear you say that Haynesworth makes the Skins a title contender...that's what we're supposed to be playing for, right?

Posted by: brownwood26"

But the skins aren't a zero. Zero is the Detroit Lions, or the Dolphins from 2 years ago. The Skins were 2 games away from the playoffs, and swept the NFC finalists during the season.

No, I don't think Haynesworth alone takes the skins all the way. But I think Haynesworth with Hall, with another offensive lineman, with a good draft would make this team a title contender. Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind. It's not like there's some magical formula for making sure your team gets hot at the right time. And that's really what it boils down to. Getting hot at the right time with a little bit of luck.

Nothing the skins could have done this offseason would have made them perennial contenders. Nothing. As I stated in a long-winded analysis earlier this week, that's going to have to wait until at least 2011, when half the contracts come off the books. Having one big contract at that time is not going to prevent the Redskins from rebuilding. Not in the least.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

he also owns Ventiv Health with his sister.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:12 PM

I don't deny that the man has some genuine talents, nor that he made his own money. My dispute is with "hard work."

I've heard the spin -- and can't verify it -- that the "hard work" is done by his sister, not Dan.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

But i do see the point of oline too. that is where my gut says we will go knowing they will think they can eek something out of the older o line.

heres to trading down to have two picks in the top 45 players and getting both LB and OL addressed!

Posted by: Zeebs | February 27, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder bought the team in May, 1999.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 27, 2009 11:26 AM

So Danny Boy is coming up on his 10th anniversary. What a way to celebrate with this FA blowout that he and Vinny have engineered. Good job guys. We look forward to the next 10 years with eager anticipation.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 27, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Work smarter not harder...that's what I say.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Whiner McBallinfection has been traded to the Bucs

Posted by: HenryHog | February 27, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Psps23,

Part of rebuilding is parting with big contracts and replacing the older, high priced players with younger, cheaper talent. The Skins don't do that: they sign expensive free agents, play them until they've got nothing left, and then reload with more expensive free agents. There's nothing you can say that will make me believe they're doing themselves a service by overpaying for Haynesworth (at least not in the long term).

It takes a top to bottom effort to win it all and stay relevant in the title chase with any regularity. The Steelers have a great FO and ownership structure that makes the right call on coaches and players. They use free agency infrequently and when they do it's 2nd tier guys that nobody thinks about (remember Ryan Clark? Mewelde Moore?). In fact, I trust the Steelers organization to make the right move more often than not, and I would have questioned them if they made this move! Do you trust Dan Snyder? The Skins FO? Do you trust Jim Zorn? Trust and respect are earned; these guys have made mistep after mistep and this move looks no different than any of the others from the surface.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 27, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

For the folks yelling that the only way to build a winner is through the draft, please understand that you can’t do it based on drafts alone. You still need to add in some trades or free agent pickups. Now, I won’t argue that the Redskins have up to this point failed to successfully navigate the blending of the two. Yes, strong drafts year after year will build a strong core, but you can look at all of the past SB winners and pick out at least 3 or 4 contributors that were on the team via trade or free agency. If you look at the most recent “dynasty” (Patriots), you see that Belicheck & co. have always made quality pickups through FA, and the same can be said about the Steelers. Again, these are teams that have good scouting and well laid draft plans. My point is that you can’t win today based SOLELY upon the draft, and I am sure many of you are not saying that as well. The skins are making moves that should be upgrading the team. The fact that the moves could be considered “splashy” is solely based upon today’s media oversaturation. Ask the NFL scouts/execs what they think Haynesworth and Hall will to for our defense. I would be right there with you if they were trading away draft picks for these guys, but they didn’t lose anything in the process. Cap room has proven to mean nothing. If there is an LT on the board at 13, and they trade down b/c they don’t have enough room to sign a pick that high, then I will be critical of the new contracts. But that will not likely happen. Odds are that they won’t win the SB this year, but IMO they just got better. Let’s give Zorn & co. some time. They could even surprise us all this year…..Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 27, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to hearing later today that we have picked up an LG (Dockery, or that guy from the Jets)... does anyone have a sense that we will part with J. Taylor at some point to free up more cap space for these (and other) signings, or do folks think with AH in the middle that JT will somehow be revitalized into a 35 year old, $8 mil against the cap, pass-rushing force?

As for the draft, I hear folks saying take a RT at #13, but my understanding of general draft value for OL is that you would look at LT in the first round, RT in the 2nd or 3rd round, and interior guys from there on out.

If we don't see a top flight LT at #13 (and I don't think A. Smith fits that description - my crystal ball shows him as being a very good RT, but not an LT, in the NFL), then I think we should probably trade back to get extra picks and use our entire draft to add depth at LB and both lines. I'd be tempted to take Rey Malagua at #13, even though he doesn't satisfy an immediate need (LFB is just one injury away from retirement) - but I think we probably get more immediate value (and fill more needs) by trading back for extra picks.

Posted by: PDXskin | February 27, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

psps23 -- Was not a AH fan prior, but now that it's done I'm on board. To add to your points regarding the defense:

Last year the Redskins blitzed more than any other team, yet had very few TO as a result. If AH is what he's supposed to be, I think the blitz percentage goes down, and the blitzes themselves are more effective. I am already dreaming about Chris Horton or LL coming free in the A gap and sacking Tony Romo.

If they had to lose a guy from the secondary, Springs was it. Hall and Rogers are two quality corners, and Smoot can now be the 3rd corner and play deep. He was having a lot of trouble turning his hips last year and was playing too deep to compensate for that, being on the slot will help a lot.

What's really exciting from the offensive side of the ball is that the Redskins are likely to get better field position as a result of TO, which will help them a lot. They are just not talented enough to put together 80 yard drives on a regular basis, so until they start showing big-play ability, a short field is a must. The defense may provide that, especially with AH and DH.

Who says they're bad characters, by the way?


Haynesworth stomped on a COWBOY'S coconut, not just "some guy". Don't think of him as a bad guy, more like the Archangel Michael.

And Hall was a malcontent on the Raiders. The Raiders! Jesus F. Christ himself would sit out rather than play for Al "Beelzebub" Davis.

So, Hall is practicing WWJD in Oakland, and Haynesworth is treating Dallas players like the nest of vipers that they are. Who says they're not good guys?

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, you mean Kellen Winslow traded to the Bucs. The purge in Cleveland begins.

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: RITCA | February 27, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Just listening to WTEM and caught a clip of Vinny Cerrato saying that the Bucs actually offered Haynesworth more than the Skins?

Ok so if it is a mistake. Whoever would have gotten him would have been getting the same thing the skins are.

Albert was going to get 100 million....wherever he went. So the skins are wrong. But if the colts got him it would be perfect....

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 27, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

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