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Redskins scout the Senior Bowl

We're between practices at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. The Redskins' contingent was out in force this morning, watching the North team practice.

Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, watched much of practice from the field, taking notes the entire time, while coaches and scouts mostly watched from the stands.

With a new staff, it's difficult to predict just how much the Redskins will rely on the Senior Bowl. Last year, the team didn't draft a single player who participated in the annual all-star game.

As for this year's team, the North squad doesn't seem quite as stacked, but Idaho guard Mike Iupati and Massachussetts offensive tackle Vladimir Ducasse were both impressive.

Most of the Redskins' coaching staff is on-hand in Mobile, though the team hasn't announced its full staff and is still searching for a wide receivers coach. The Senior Bowl is a big networking opportunity for coaches searching for work, so it's possible the Redskins are scouting potential assistant coaches, as well.

One name that might be intriguing is former Bucs receiver Keenan McCardell. He's searching for a job as a wide receivers coach, and he obviously has ties to both Bruce Allen and Kyle Shanahan.

Also present at practice this morning were former head coach Jim Zorn and Chris Meidt, Zorn's former de facto quarterbacks' coach. I'll try to tell you a bit more about them later.

Zorn and former Redskins assistant Al Saunders are interviewing with the Ravens for the quarterbacks coach position, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Zorn no doubt would be interested in the job; he Saunders is a Ravens consultant.

By Rick Maese  |  January 26, 2010; 1:43 PM ET
 
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he Saunders, indeed!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Never did that before, I don't think.

FirstFirst!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

IMO its safer to go with known commodities this year in FA as well as draft some guys in the middle rounds then gamble with the price tag that the #4 overall pick will carry and hope you find the next Chris Samuels. Ongoing there needs to be a true commitment to draft lineman high in drafts but at #4 I'd rather take a shot at an elite QB prospect then at an elite tackle prospect.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You keep referring to FA, but who in FA? As I've mentioned before, the only real Pro Bowl caliber OT available (Mcneil) will more then likely be resigned. Other than that, you're looking at O lineman that are average at best or getting up in yrs. How is that improving the O line while getting younger? I'd rather take a chance that Okung might be another Chris Samuels then take somebody in FA who I know will never be remotely close to Samuels. That's what the draft is about: POTENTIAL

And I could of sworn more of those OT's you mentioned have been to the Pro Bowl

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What the f_ck is Zorn doing involved with anything in football at a NFL level?

Yes, please show Stan Hixon the door and bring in McCardell.

He was arguably the best receiver on the roster in 2007.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Never did that before, I don't think.

FirstFirst!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 2:08 PM |
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All those :maps: finally paid off!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

McCardell is an intriguing choice. He was a superb WR, an overachiever. Have no idea if he can coach, but he is the sort that did a lot to make himself better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

You keep referring to FA, but who in FA? As I've mentioned before, the only real Pro Bowl caliber OT available (Mcneil) will more then likely be resigned. Other than that, you're looking at O lineman that are average at best or getting up in yrs. How is that improving the O line while getting younger? I'd rather take a chance that Okung might be another Chris Samuels then take somebody in FA who I know will never be remotely close to Samuels. That's what the draft is about: POTENTIAL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess there's the difference between me and most of you on here. I happen to think its very hard to build a dominant oline, especially playing the defenses in our division twice a year. I'd rather have an average tackle and a pro bowl QB than a pro bowl tackle and an average QB.

This season out of the 6 pro bowl tackles only 3 had pro bowl QB's and only 3 teams made the playoffs. (IMO Braynt Mckinnie and Jason Peters weren't really Pro Bowlers but whatevs) Of the 6 pro bowl QBs all made the playoffs and two are in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Now run that analysis again and remove some of the bias. You didn't count Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Ryan Clady, and Jamaal Brown as pro bowlers. So really you have 5 pro bowl tackles against 3 pro bowl QBs. You also included Gosder Cherilus who was a right tackle drafted in the first round. You call him underwhelming yet you give Brady Quinn a pass and call him a mediocre starter.

Brady Quinn, Jamrcus Russel, and Matt Leinart have all been terrible. Russel is the biggest bust of the decade, Leinart has 11 TDs and 20 INTs and Brady Quinn is on his way to becoming a backup again.

The good QBs are:

Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Vince Young
Jay Cutler

The mediocre QBs are:
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Joe Flacco

Terrible:

Josh Freemen
Brady Quinn
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russel
Mark Sanchez
Matt Stafford

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

What the f_ck is Zorn doing involved with anything in football at a NFL level?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 26, 2010 2:13 PM

What I wonder is who paid for Zorn's air fare and hotel room?

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What I wonder is who paid for Zorn's air fare and hotel room?

Posted by: League-Source

Dan Snyder is paying Zorn $3million not to coach. I think Zorn can afford it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

IF the draft goes Suh, other stud DT whose name escapes me, and then Berry, Okung and both Clausen and Bradford will be there at 4.

Would that tempt a team to come get Okung or one of the 2 QBs?

I think we should trade out of the 4 spot to gain picks if at all possible. I think we can get a "good enough" LT while adding another starter, too. "Good Enough" means above avg NFL LT who is not that much of a drop off from Okung, if in fact Okung is even "the guy" in this years LT class.

I think anywhere from 8-15 in the first we can get a "good enough" LT. We have many needs and i think we should address more than 1 with the 4 pick if at all possible.

My hope is that some team is in love with Clausen and wants to come get him or Okung. Shehawks? They fit that bill.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse
I agree, Kaneohe. That would be ideal. Instead of Okung, we could get Bruce Campbell, MD, 6'7" 310# 4.94 40 time. Lots of upside, good athlete. Or Anthony Davis, Rutgers, 6'6" 325# good potential. I don't think there is that mcu fall-off from Okung if we stay within top 15 of draft with a trade. The BIG ? is, can we find a trading partner?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather have an average tackle and a pro bowl QB than a pro bowl tackle and an average QB."
Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

-Interesting perspective. But if your Pro Bowl QB goes down, the average back up QB can step up and still be effective with a good line protecting him. Now if your Pro Bowl OT goes down, your protection suffers, and your great QB more then likely won't be to great.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for clearing that up. His analysis was rather biased.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Josh Freemen
Brady Quinn
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russel
Mark Sanchez
Matt Stafford

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Terrible? I'm agreeing with your main point, but most of these guys are more TBD than terrible. Sanchez isn't terrible.

As for Young and Cutler, not sure why they make the 'good' category.

QBs take about 5 years to see what trajectory they are on, so perhaps its better to look at the 2000-2005 group. As of now, the only QBs in that group that are 100% clear are JaMarcus (bad) and Rodgers (good)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

And I could of sworn more of those OT's you mentioned have been to the Pro Bowl

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

You are right, this year's pro bowlers - Clady, Thomas, and Staley. Ferguson was an injury replacement so that does change the stats some for sure. Makes the number of pro bowlers draft in round one even, despite there having been 4 less QBs selected over that time period.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Top 20 FA OT

There are 8 UFA's out of the top 20. MARCUS MCNEILL IS A RFA

OT 1 Jammal Brown RFA 5 6-6/313 Oklahoma New Orleans
OT 2 Willie Colon RFA 4 6-3/315 Hofstra Pittsburgh
OT 3 Chad Clifton UFA 10 6-5/320 Tennessee Green Bay
OT 4 Marcus McNeill RFA 4 6-7/337 Auburn San Diego
OT 5 Jared Gaither RFA 3 6-9/330 Maryland Baltimore
OT 6 Alex Barron RFA 5 6-7/315 Florida State St. Louis
OT 7 Tyson Clabo RFA 5 6-6/314 Wake Forest Atlanta
OT 8 Charlie Johnson RFA 4 6-4/305 Oklahoma State Indianapolis
OT 9 Donald Penn RFA 4 6-5/305 Utah State Tampa Bay
OT 9 Jeremy Trueblood RFA 4 6-7/315 Boston College Tampa Bay
OT 10 Mike Gandy UFA 9 6-4/310 Notre Dame Arizona
OT 11 Tony Pashos UFA 7 6-6/326 Illinois San Francisco
OT 12 Mark Tauscher UFA 10 6-3/316 Wisconsin Green Bay
OT 13 Jeromey Clary RFA 3 6-6/305 Kansas State San Diego
OT 14 Stephon Heyer RFA 3 6-6/320 Maryland Washington
OT 15 Cornell Green UFA 10 6-6/315 UCF Oakland
OT 16 Levi Jones UFA 8 6-5/307 Arizona State Washington
OT 17 Langston Walker UFA 8 6-8/366 California Oakland
OT 18 Khalif Barnes RFA 5 6-5/325 Washington Oakland
OT 18 Damion McIntosh UFA 10 6-4/328 Kansas State Seattle
OT 19 Barry Sims UFA 11 6-5/300 Utah San Francisco
OT 20 Jermon Bushrod RFA 3 6-5/315 Towson New Orleans

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is paying Zorn $3million not to coach. I think Zorn can afford it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

We should all chip in every year and pay Zorn in an annual fundraiser to make sure he never coaches again.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is paying Zorn $3million not to coach. I think Zorn can afford it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM

Sure, that's not in doubt. But I'm thinking that Dan may have paid the air fare. If Zorn can get a job it reduces the amount that Snyder has to pay him next year. Of course, Snyder only paid coach class. Zorn had to pay for the upgrade to First.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM

I wouldn't label these guys as terrible as we don't have enough starts to make that determination:

Josh Freemen
Mark Sanchez
Matt Stafford

Also, Flacco is an above average QB in the league who should blossom under the tutelage of Jim ZOrn(jk).

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

2000
Chris Samuels pro bowl


2001
Michael Vick bust
Leonard Davis pro bowl

2002
David Carr bust
Joey Harrington bust
BMW bust

2003
Carson Palmer pro bowler

2004
Eli Manning pro bowler
Phil Rivers pro Bowler
Robert Gallery bust

2005
Alex Smith bust

2006
Vince Young pro bowler
D'Brickashaw pro bowler

2007
Jamrcus Russel bust
Joe Thomas pro bowl
Levi Brown

2008
Jake Long pro bowl
Matt Ryan

QBs
4 busts
4 pro bowlers

OTs
2 busts
5 pro bowlers

OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez looks like he has an upside. I wouldn't close the book on him at all.

Posted by: ridgely1 | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

TOP 20 FA OG

10 are UFAs

OG 1 Jahri Evans RFA 4 6-4/318 Bloomsburg of Pennsylvania New Orleans
OG 2 Logan Mankins RFA 5 6-4/305 Fresno State New England
OG 3 Chester Pitts UFA 8 6-3/320 San Diego State Houston
OG 4 Bobbie Williams UFA 10 6-4/345 Arkansas Cincinnati
OG 5 Stephen Neal UFA 8 6-4/305 California State-Bakersfield New England
OG 6 Harvey Dahl RFA 4 6-5/313 Nevada Atlanta
OG 7 Deuce Lutui RFA 4 6-4/338 USC Arizona
OG 8 David Baas RFA 5 6-4/331 Michigan San Francisco
OG 9 Eugene Amano UFA 5 6-3/310 Southeast Missouri State Tennessee
OG 10 Richie Incognito RFA 5 6-3/324 Nebraska Buffalo
OG 11 Keydrick Vincent UFA 9 6-5/325 Mississippi Carolina
OG 12 Chris Kuper RFA 4 6-4/303 North Dakota Denver
OG 13 Rob Sims RFA 4 6-3/320 Ohio State Seattle
OG 14 Jeremy Bridges UFA 6 6-4/326 Southern Miss Arizona
OG 15 Kendall Simmons UFA 8 6-3/315 Auburn New England
OG 16 Maurice Williams UFA 9 6-5/315 Michigan Jacksonville
OG 17 Max Jean-Gilles RFA 4 6-4/355 Georgia Philadelphia
OG 18 Daryn Colledge RFA 4 6-4/308 Boise State Green Bay
OG 19 Ben Hamilton UFA 9 6-4/283 Minnesota Denver
OG 20 Rex Hadnot UFA 6 6-2/325 Houston Cleveland

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I knew my post would serve as an enema to get the blog rolling again.

If the draft goes Suh, Gerald McCoy, and then Berry, Okung and both Clausen and Bradford will be there at 4.

Would that tempt a team to come get Okung or one of the 2 QBs?

I think we should trade out of the 4 spot to gain picks if at all possible. I think we can get a "good enough" LT while adding another starter, too. "Good Enough" means above avg NFL LT who is not that much of a drop off from Okung, if in fact Okung is even "the guy" in this years LT class.

I think anywhere from 8-15 in the first we can get a "good enough" LT. We have many needs and i think we should address more than 1 with the 4 pick if at all possible.

My hope is that some team is in love with Clausen and wants to come get him or Okung. Shehawks? They fit that bill.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If Chris Samuels comes back to play, why not shift him to RT, and draft a LT. Maybe pick up a guard or two from Shanny's or Haslett's old teams and there you have improved the line is one off season. Of course, it depends on Samuels playing, and drafting the right LT to start right away.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

2009

#2 Jason Smith currently the #3 RT on St. Louis' depth chart

QBs?

2005
#1 Alex Smith rocky start to career but regained the starting role this year and played ok

2006
#3 Vince Young uneven beginning but ROY, Pro Bowl, and starter now

2007
#1 Jamarcus Russel terrible starter

2008
#3 Matt Ryan starter

2009
#1 Stafford injured but starter and showed promise
#5 Sanchez starter

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 1:34 PM

If you peel it back to the Top Five picks, it looks a little different. Also, Jake Long was the #2 tackle in that little RedDMV link ... but I agree that if you cross off Jason Smith from the tackles and Jamarcus Russell from the QBs, it looks like a wash.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse


Jason Smith played in 8 games and started 5 at right tackle.

He won the starting RT spot coming into the season, then suffered meniscus damage in his knee against the Skins and sat out a couple weeks.

He came back and was playing well and then had a major setback when he got a concussion in Week 11 and couldn't pass the base-line tests to get back on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Lol, Thunder.

And I would have contributed to the 3 mil for Zoron not to coarch here again, hows about u guys?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Terrible:

Josh Freemen
Brady Quinn
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russel
Mark Sanchez
Matt Stafford

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Freeman, Sanchez, and Stafford can hardly be called terrible. I don't know if you watched Sunday but Sanchez had a damn good game against the Colts. He stood in the pocket against the blitz and made some plays I've never seen Campbell make. They were all inconsistent for sure but to call them terrible is a little biased is it not?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

If Chris Samuels comes back to play


Let me stop you right there.....don't....just don't....time to move on....for the team's sake, and for Chris's sake.....there is ZERO chance, if I'm Shanny I let this guy play....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

samuels and the medical staff will make that determination.
still if all turns out ok, I'd say move him the the rt spot.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

just took a look at the QB ratings for the QBs.

Rodgers was the only guy on the list in the top 10

Campbell was 2nd at 13th overall.

Flacco was the only other QB in the top 20.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

-Interesting perspective. But if your Pro Bowl QB goes down, the average back up QB can step up and still be effective with a good line protecting him. Now if your Pro Bowl OT goes down, your protection suffers, and your great QB more then likely won't be to great.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

To add a little more to that theory, a great OT also makes the running game better. I wouldn't say that about a great QB.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I think Freeman will be a pretty good quarterback.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If I'm shanny, i want no part of Samuels getting wheeled off the field, never to walk again....

regardless, time to replace him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"...but Idaho guard Mike Iupati and Massachussetts offensive tackle Vladimir Ducasse were both impressive."

Again: If I want a lineman, I take Iupati.

If I want a gamebreaker, I take Spiller.

If I want a q-back, I snag Clausen.

If I want a bad day, I tell mrsmoe I'm broke.

And today, things aren't going all that well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

We should all chip in every year and pay Zorn in an annual fundraiser to make sure he never coaches again.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:32 PM

No. I'd be willing to put in money for a fund to pay for him to coach several teams, starting with Dallas, New Yawk, or Philly.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm no NFL GM but I think drafting OL and running back is crucial in this draft. The one thing JC is good at is PA pass. So if we can get a great run game going with a solid line I think we're good.

On an unrelated note, is Vince Young a FA this year? I've always liked Vince Young, dude just wins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I have combined the eight OT's that are UFA's with the ProFootballFocus rataing of T's, as follows...
32. Barry Sims 11 yr exp.
43. Mark Tauscher 10 yr exp
46. Chad Clifton 10 yr exp
48. Cornell Green 10 yr exp
68. Mike Gandy 9 yr exp
75. Levi Jones 8 yr exp

Tony Pashos and Damion McIntosh were not rated. Heyer was rated #71, has 3 yr exp. I think we need to resign Heyer for some depth.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

zjfr -- I'm glad you made the point you made, even if we disagree.

Its really tough to judge QBs based on their 1st year or two of work. And that's much of what you've got in that list. Its too early to write off Josh Freeman and Linehart is still an unknown.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

That's easy, Dan paid.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 26, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

No. I'd be willing to put in money for a fund to pay for him to coach several teams, starting with Dallas, New Yawk, or Philly.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I would never wish that upon my worse enemy.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

That's easy, Dan paid.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

samuels and the medical staff will make that determination.
still if all turns out ok, I'd say move him the the rt spot.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse
Why take an all-pro LT and move him to RT? I don't think he comes back. Yes, that is between him and his dr. But if he does come back, I think Shanny will keep him at LT.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is ANYTHING but terrible. Jets get a workaholic WR who can catch the balls that hit his hands... look the F out.

Dez Bryant the big stud who can go snatch the ball out of the air? The Jets would be scary good with him on the field opposite Braylon. Any WR in FA?

Jets are easily in the discussion to take the AFC next year. They got close enough to taste it, and Sanchez and that offense will only be better next year. Book it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have an average tackle and a pro bowl QB than a pro bowl tackle and an average QB.

+++++

WTF?

Why is that our only choice?

And who says a first round pick is a guaranteed winner and anything later than that is a risk. THEY ARE ALL RISKS!

Samuels was a first rounder and he was awesome, but Brady got picked in the 6th or 7th round and we all know how that went for New England.

I'm leaning towards O line this year, but if we moved back and took what looks to be a true game changer like Spiller in the 1st and grabbed O line in the 2nd, I think we'd be fine.

I don't think QB is our biggest barrier to success at the moment, but if Shanny thinks otherwise - it's his ball club now.

Posted by: edvar | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

And I would have contributed to the 3 mil for Zoron not to coarch here again, hows about u guys?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 2:36 PM

Snyder could make this happen. He could sell a special edition Fund jersey, maroon and black, with zorn's name and number: 4-12. (Not to be confused with the blogger of the same name.) He's probably have to set the price pretty low because I don't think DikShuttle will really put much of his money where his mouth is (and I'm not getting into that). Any unsold jerseys he can donate to Haiti for a tax write off.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Also present at practice this morning were Jim Zorn and Chris Meidt... I'll try to tell you a bit more about them later."

This is a thread you can keep.

We prefer updates about the kids on the field.

We'd also like a 'movers' and 'shakers' and 'falling down the charts' analysis to get a view of what's happening as the week progresses.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If Chris Samuels comes back to play, why not shift him to RT, and draft a LT. Maybe pick up a guard or two from Shanny's or Haslett's old teams and there you have improved the line is one off season. Of course, it depends on Samuels playing, and drafting the right LT to start right away.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse
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1965skinsfan, if Samuels does come back, and its a huge IF, then its no doubt they'll make him play RT. The thing about Samuels is, even if his neck is ok, he's lost alot quickness the last two years. Plus his leverage technique has been suspect. I think he still has the goods to be a decent right tackle though.

Posted by: clark202 | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What about Matt Moore from Carolina? He looked really good in the games I saw him play. Could get him at a low price, proven he can play in the NFL.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that is between him and his dr. But if he does come back, I think Shanny will keep him at LT.

Posted by: frediefritz

because it would allow him to lengthen his career and us to draft a lt. if medically sound, sure sounds like a good start on the O-liine. we'll all have to wait and see.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Kiper's take on what would get the Redskins a good draft grade:

Top needs: QB, OT, RB, G, DE
First round (4): Sam Bradford
Second-round options (37): OT Charles Brown, OT Selvish Capers, RB Jahvid Best
Third-round options: No third-round picks (used in the supplemental draft)
Summary: For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

Posted by: CitizenSkoal | January 26, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is ANYTHING but terrible. Jets get a workaholic WR who can catch the balls that hit his hands... look the F out.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Right. He just happened to put up worse numbers than JaMarcus did his Rookie year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Pay Zorn anything, are you nuts. That loser should be paying every one of us for having to watch the clusterf*ck of the past 2 years.

I'd be all for drafting a QB at #4 if the choices were not Bradford or Clausen. Much rather get a tackle at 4 or hopefully a little further down if we can trade and take a shot on a QB later in the draft.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather have an average tackle and a pro bowl QB than a pro bowl tackle and an average QB."
Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:14 PM

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Snyder only paid coach class. Zorn had to pay for the upgrade to First.

Zorn's only interested in the upgrade to Medium.

Yes, he does get weird looks from the ticketing agent. Why do you ask?

Posted by: daggar | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

To add a little more to that theory, a great OT also makes the running game better. I wouldn't say that about a great QB.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

First off, ask Clinton Portis how great its been to run against defenses when your QB is average for the last 5 years. IMO this is pretty simple, look at every champ since the last time we won the Super Bowl. The last 17 super bowls not a single one was won by a team with a QB who had never been to the Pro Bowl. Only two, the Bucs champs in 2003 (Brad Johnson Pro Bowl 1999 and 2002) and the Ravens champs in 2001 (Trent Dilfer Pro Bowl 1997) had QBs that weren't in the prime of their careers and they had some of the most dominant defenses in history. The simple reality is you don't win championships without a great QB. And in the extremely rare case that you do you better be utterly dominant everywhere else. I think its easier to find a pro bowl caliber QB that can make you a contender every year than it is to build a completely dominant team everywhere else and hope you sneak through as the exception to the rule.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, watched much of practice from the field, taking notes the entire time.
by Rick Maese

Speaking of being on the field, I was happy to see our own scampbell out on the field. Keep it up, scamp! j/k

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Any chance redskins could trade back and get Bradford and an OT?

I am as anti Bradford as I can be, but if it must be done, can we get him after trading back?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is paying Zorn $3million not to coach. I think Zorn can afford it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM

Sure, that's not in doubt. But I'm thinking that Dan may have paid the air fare. If Zorn can get a job it reduces the amount that Snyder has to pay him next year. Of course, Snyder only paid coach class. Zorn had to pay for the upgrade to First.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 2:33 PM
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If Snyder had any coach class, he wouldn't have hired Zorn in the first place.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

What about Matt Moore from Carolina? He looked really good in the games I saw him play. Could get him at a low price, proven he can play in the NFL.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He will be re-signed. Jon Fox has already said he's the leading candidate to start for them next year and they don't have a first round pick. Moore won't sniff the market.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Draft
1. Okung OT
2. Iupati/ Ducasse/ Asamoah OG
4. LeFevour QB
5. Jamar Chaney/Boris Lee/PatAngerer MLB
7. Trindon Holliday KR/PR

UFAs Targets
Karlos Dansby OLB
Chester Taylor RB
Vince Wilfork NT
Aubrayo Franklin NT
Dunta Robinson CB
Will Allen FS
Chester Pitts OG
Dwan Edwards 3-4 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Only two, the Bucs champs in 2003 (Brad Johnson Pro Bowl 1999 and 2002) and the Ravens champs in 2001 (Trent Dilfer Pro Bowl 1997) had QBs that weren't in the prime of their careers and they had some of the most dominant defenses in history. The simple reality is you don't win championships without a great QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM

Trent Dilfer = Great QB?
Brad Johnson = Great QB?

What is this SJK? Jack, don't let your kids read this or they'll laugh you away from the dinner table tonight.

All this shows is that some pretty ordinary QB's have gone to the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What about Matt Moore from Carolina? He looked really good in the games I saw him play. Could get him at a low price, proven he can play in the NFL.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He will be re-signed. Jon Fox has already said he's the leading candidate to start for them next year and they don't have a first round pick. Moore won't sniff the market.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:04 PM

He's a RFA. You'd have to give them compensation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Sanchez is ANYTHING but terrible. Jets get a workaholic WR who can catch the balls that hit his hands... look the F out.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Right. He just happened to put up worse numbers than JaMarcus did his Rookie year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8


another stats guy who doesn't get it.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, recent purchases aside, I sure would have been up for paying Zoron not to be here.

And I like the idea of paying him to Coarch the Cowpatties. Man, Mrs. Shuttle would be soooo pissssed... lmao.

And L-S, if I could do that... I'd never leave the house!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Again, your facts are skewed. Raplesburger was pretty average when he took the Steelers to the SB the first time. Brad Johnson, Eli Manning were both average.

The offenses that JC and Portis have been in the past 5yrs had alot more issues then just average QB play. No way a great QB would of led the 2008 and 2009 even to the playoffs. The coaching was horrible.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Only two, the Bucs champs in 2003 (Brad Johnson Pro Bowl 1999 and 2002) and the Ravens champs in 2001 (Trent Dilfer Pro Bowl 1997) had QBs that weren't in the prime of their careers and they had some of the most dominant defenses in history. The simple reality is you don't win championships without a great QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM

Trent Dilfer = Great QB?
Brad Johnson = Great QB?

What is this SJK? Jack, don't let your kids read this or they'll laugh you away from the dinner table tonight.

All this shows is that some pretty ordinary QB's have gone to the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you should read better, my point was that no team had won since 1991 with a QB who had never been to the Pro Bowl (Jason Campbell has been how many times???) and that only the Bucs and Ravens won with QBs who were over the hill and relied pretty much totally on their defense. I said Johnson and Dilfer were the exception to the rule but even they had at one point in their careers been a Pro Bowl caliber QB and played the role of safe veteran game manager well. You can probably throw in Big Ben's first Super Bowl into the category of a team that won mostly on defense although he still made enough plays that teams had to respect him and they don't win it last year without him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2:
Classic example of 2008 and 2009 Redskins: You think a great QB would of led the Skins to the SB with that offensive line??

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Sanchez is ANYTHING but terrible. Jets get a workaholic WR who can catch the balls that hit his hands... look the F out.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Right. He just happened to put up worse numbers than JaMarcus did his Rookie year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 2:56 PM

Forget numbers. Watch the games. Anybody who watched Sanchez Sunday would have to conclude he's going to blossom into something special. He's not intimidated by the biggest of NFL moments, controls his huddle, very athletic, and he can make all the throws....and did so in some big moments. Dan and Vinny were very clumsy about how they went about it, but they were sniffing up the right tree when they were after Sanchez.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 26, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't get all the talk about needing to draft a RB this year. That's about the last thing we'll need. O-Line, O-Line, O-Line, LB, LB, D-Line, D-Line then maybe RB or CB...

IMHO - That puts RB at #7 on the priority list. Solid to Good RB's are a dime a dozen... Gamebreaking RB's (Chris Johnson, Purple Jesus, Steven Jackson...) are rare and a bonus not a necessity. Maybe the staff will actually give Aldridge the chance to be a change of pace back we need... With Betts (assuming he rehabs well), Ganther, CP (if Shanahan keeps him), Cartwright and Aldridge we are fine; it should not be a priority.

Build this team through from the Trenches immediately...

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Diesel
Does your list include who would be restricted in an uncapped year? I don't think the skins should give up any picks unless they can trade down, for any position! Off that list I would take Gandy or Clifton then use your first or second pick on a OT that can learn on the right side and move him over in a year or two.

No QB at #1 not saying we don't need one just a build in the trenches kinda guy!

heres hoping for some smash mouth football next year and not two yard wr screens and shots of portis running into his own lineman with lanes on either side.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is ANYTHING but terrible. Jets get a workaholic WR who can catch the balls that hit his hands... look the F out.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Right. He just happened to put up worse numbers than JaMarcus did his Rookie year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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I know you just didn't compare Sanchez to Jamarcus Russell... Sanchez throws a great long ball, has wins, provides leadership... Russell stopped playing football the day he cashed his first check.

Posted by: tony325 | January 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Matt McGuire @ the Senior Bowl

"Cincinnati's Tony Pike had another poor outing. His accuracy was shaky and he threw a ball that was one of the ugliest passes I've ever seen out of a college quarterback. He put out too much good tape for me to take this week too seriously, but second round is now out of the question because he lacks some serious bulk as a stick figure which will turn a lot of teams off."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The running game (especially) under Shanny is predicated on a Strong and Consistent O-Line vice the RB. His system is reknown for making any capable back very productive. Let's build the foundation and finally get away from the trend of constantly chasing the glamour positions...

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

heres hoping for some smash mouth football next year

agreed, cuz thats whats winning in the NFL these day's.....wait...what?? its not 1984 anymore??.....shoot.....

Colts smashmouth?
Saints smashmouth?

build a DYNAMIC passing game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2:
Classic example of 2008 and 2009 Redskins: You think a great QB would of led the Skins to the SB with that offensive line??

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

2009 definitely not remotely close not possible. 2008, would a great QB have taken the pressure off of Portis some so he didn't breakdown by week 8, been able to read the blitz better get rid of the ball quicker so that after a 6-2 start with a top 5 defense you would have a shot at a deep playoff run maybe even a super bowl appearance? I don't know, but I think if you put Manning, a healthy Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Warner, Rivers, maybe McNabb on last years team who knows.

Look, Shanahan's not an idiot, he is going to fix the oline, and I'm not advocating take a QB at the expense of the oline. But I just think its naive to assume the only possible option is oline at #4 and anything else is stupid. IF anything the numbers more than show that its a crap shoot any way you go and that if Shanny thinks that either Bradford or Clausen represents the chance to find a franchise QB IMO its worth the pick. And IMO he probably has a better idea than any of us whether Campbell is capable or if he needs to get a new QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Draft
1. Okung OT
2. Iupati/ Ducasse/ Asamoah OG
4. LeFevour QB
5. Jamar Chaney/Boris Lee/PatAngerer MLB
7. Trindon Holliday KR/PR

UFAs Targets
Karlos Dansby OLB
Chester Taylor RB
Vince Wilfork NT
Aubrayo Franklin NT
Dunta Robinson CB
Will Allen FS
Chester Pitts OG
Dwan Edwards 3-4 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:05 PM

I could live with this. Not sure who Jamar Chaney or Boris Lee are, but Angerer would be a nice get.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

EinVB I disagree while i don't think you need to draft a RB high I don't think the answer is on our roster. Plus a great running back makes the offense line look better. Lets just find a burner in the late rounds and platoon betts and cp for one more year. And I said platoon not cp plays when cp wants to play!

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

PPS (is that you al davis?), I guess you can keep dahhhhhhmarcus then.

Guy can throw it 80 yards on a rope, but is too stupid to stay on the field in front of the stellar Gradkowski for the raiders. Awesome.

But, this really ain't about jamarcus.

Its about Sanchez, and how high his upside is because he has in spades every superior QB defining intangible that Jamarcus, and JC for that matter, lacks.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

My take on the major Skins issues

1. #4 pick overall. This needs to turn into OL. Whether they use this pick or trade it, it needs to translate into OL. As does much of the rest of the draft.

2. Jason Campbell. Keep him. Even with the perfect storm around him in 2009 (OL problems, no run game, Zorn as coach, etc), he was the 13th rated QB, played all 16 games and made plays with his feet. I understand the detractors, but I'd hate to get rid of Campbell, pay a huge price, only to find out we didn't get anyone better. Of the 13 names on zjfr's list -- only 1 had a higher QB rating than Campbell in 2009. The RFA tag is very helpful here.

3. 4-3. Stay with it. The front 7 were successful in 2009, the secondary was our biggest problem on defense, by a lot.

4. Carlos Rogers and the secondary in general. I'm out on a limb. Keep Rogers, but bench him if Tryon or Barnes shows him up. There was a lot not to like with Rogers in '09, but he was better in '08, so the talent is there. I'm hoping the coaching changes help him get back to form. Again, the RFA thing applies. Regarding Landry, something needs to change. Either change his attitude/approach, his position or trade him. I would even consider him as an LB. But something has to change.

5. Portis. I suspect the money issue will reign supreme (meaning the Skins can't afford to part with him), but assuming it doesn't, make the call based on how he handles himself in the offseason. If he's preparing and doing the things he needs to do to be successful, hold onto him. If its the same act he brought into 2009, get rid of him on day 2 of training camp. If he is returning, I would like to see him smaller and quicker.

I'm looking at these decisions on an individual basis. Shanahan isn't. He is looking to get the most out of the team and how he sees the chemistry working has a lot to do with the choices he'll make (the Rb fitting the blocking scheme, the QB fitting the passing scheme, etc). I like that. Its also beyond the scope of my ability to analyze since I don't know the direction he wants to go.

My overriding opinion is that these decisions will be made by the most competent football people we've had in place since Gibbs 1.0. Which makes me happy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The simple reality is you don't win championships without a great QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:59 PM

Perhaps you should read better...

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:13 PM

Look, Jack, perhaps you should write better? The first sentence is an exact quote from you. A "simple fact" is a "simple fact" not a convulted, qualified explantion. I didn't fabricate the line -- you wrote it. Don't blame me for not reading it properly.

You do this all the time up here. You're a sloppy, careless writer and then you blame your readers for your mistakes. Maybe you should just say something like "Maybe I could have put that better..."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You do this all the time up here. You're a sloppy, careless writer and then you blame your readers for your mistakes. Maybe you should just say something like "Maybe I could have put that better..."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

or perhaps everyone (including you) got the point but you like to be an annoying biotch and take one line out of the context of an entire post and try and make it the generalization for the entire post.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

First off, ask Clinton Portis how great its been to run against defenses when your QB is average for the last 5 years.
Posted by: zjfr2

ASk CP if he thinks he had a good line then watch him do nothing but run into thier backs and always get tackled by the first guy that touches him. Granted most teams were putting 8 in the box but he could have made the QB better with his play yet never did. Something's amiss there

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@ the Mark Sanchez fan club.

The kid threw some nice passes here and there. He also threw 20 ints. and it's not like the jets were asking him to air it out.

Sanchez had great o-line play, great run game support, and great defense, and a good o-cordinater.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn somehow gets to coach the Ravens QB's, does that mean he will be spending alot of time with Billy Cundiff (Kicker) on his throwing mechanics??

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | January 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"Cincinnati's Tony Pike had another poor outing. His accuracy was shaky and he threw a ball that was one of the ugliest passes I've ever seen out of a college quarterback."

You were right to condemn this guy after the Sugar Bowl.

This is why I luv these practices.

A coupla months ago, Pike looked 2nd roundish.

Now, with the cold eye of NFL scouting invested, he looks like he'll be a solid low rounder.

Some team will take him, and some fanbase will want him.

Cult O' Colt?

Naw: it'll be called "Pukes for Pike".

Cross Tebow and Pike off the list please.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Just like to take a minute to remind everyone of Danny Gatton.

boom goes the M80.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

And IMO he probably has a better idea than any of us whether Campbell is capable or if he needs to get a new QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:23 PM |

If Shanny sticks with JC, how much "goodwill" is generated for JC by those you say he must go?

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

EinVB I disagree while i don't think you need to draft a RB high I don't think the answer is on our roster. Plus a great running back makes the offense line look better. Lets just find a burner in the late rounds and platoon betts and cp for one more year. And I said platoon not cp plays when cp wants to play!

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse


I hear you. A good RB def helps, but I just think the idea of needing an elite one is higly overated. I think we are sufficient enough to stand pat. I don't mind using a late pick on a burner as long as it doesn't come at the cost of higher needs that I listed... If we can utilize FA for the other needs, fine by me... Late picks are a crap shoot sometimes anyhow. I think Chester Taylor would be a good pickup, but he's practically another Betts, Mason, Ganther, CP. We need that speedster or dynamic 3rd down back that can take a dump off screen and turn it into a 30 yard pickup vice 5-10 yards... I think Aldridge can do that... We just need to coach his a$$ up to hold the ball.

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

check out the legato in the last 1/4 of the piece before the 'blues' outro...

...best rnj evah.

http://listen.grooveshark.com/song/Nit+Pickin+/12128951

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Scouts take on Tebow

"But when he showed up Monday for the first day of heavy scrutiny at the Senior Bowl, all the old alarm bells started ringing at maximum volume -- Tebow reportedly flubbed his first snap from center, and it only got uglier from there:

Performing drills with fellow South team quarterbacks Zac Robinson of Oklahoma State and Jarrett Brown of West Virginia, Tebow fumbled the ball at least twice while taking snaps under center.

Later in team drills, Tebow fell into his same old habits — holding onto the ball too long, locking onto receivers and throwing wobbly passes.

The scouts noticed.

"He looks like the third QB out there," one NFC South talent evaluator said."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Twis, I've said repeatedly that if Shanny is comfortable with JC than I'm on board and I hope he can get him to the next level. I think it also would be interesting how he keeps him if he does. He very well could decide that nobody in the draft presents a clear upgrade so he doesn't draft QB but opens up a camp competition between JC, Colt, and Collins (if still around or whoever is #3). Personally, I'm just excited to see what happens and I trust Shanny going forward. Its fun to finally trust the decision makers in charge again.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

agreed, cuz thats whats winning in the NFL these day's.....wait...what?? its not 1984 anymore??.....shoot.....

Colts smashmouth?
Saints smashmouth?

build a DYNAMIC passing game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
Wait the jets made the cahmpionship game with no real offense oh maybe it is 1984
whats that the steelers have won more superbowls then anyone with that philosphy.
the ravens consistently make the playoffs that way and joe gibbs brought our team almost back to a respectable level the same way.
If you had said the new rules don't allow it any more and its simply a passing leauge maybe i would cocede the point but just because the saints and colts are in the superbowl doesn't mean you can't win that way!

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

@ the Mark Sanchez fan club.

The kid threw some nice passes here and there. He also threw 20 ints. and it's not like the jets were asking him to air it out.

Sanchez had great o-line play, great run game support, and great defense, and a good o-cordinater.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

I was in the 'do not trade for Sanchez' club, but the kid looks like he'll be a good QB. Lots of great QBs had marginal rookie seasons. Peyton had a 72 rating and 28 picks. Rumor has it he turned out OK, though.

As of now, I'm still glad we didn't get Sanchez, we'd be out Orakpo and probably the #4 overall pick this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Dik

"...check out the legato in the last 1/4 of the piece before the 'blues' outro..."

'legato'?????

WTF?????

Is a legato what happens when a mad scientist crosses a head of lettuce with a potato?

Or: it's a spanish word for a musical cat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

QBs
4 busts
4 pro bowlers

OTs
2 busts
5 pro bowlers

OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!
OKUNG!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse
___________

I agree with Okung as your pick, but I think you've skewed some of your evidence.

Vick wasn't a bust. He was a pro bowler who took his team to the NFC championship game. Even if you throw away everything after the dogfighting conviction, he's not a bust.

I don't think Eli Manning is nearly as good as what he's given credit for. His stats aren't all that hot, and if you put him on a mediocre team, that team isn't noticably better because he's there.

Gallery was a bust as a LT, but has actually now appears to have found a home as a guard, so in my eyes, the jury's still out on him.

Vince Young is a undeserving pro bowler, in my opinion, and was nearly a bust himself. I'm not ready to pronounce him a worthy pick - he needs to prove he's not mentally fragile.

I think the evidence is even more in favor of a LT as the pick.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Do NFL teams trade into the top 5 to draft Left Tackles? If someone trades up to get the Skins' pick they'll probably be looking to grab a franchise QB. If Shanahan believes that Bradford will be an upper-echelon QB he should take him at #4. There will be good o-linemen left when we pick in the 2nd round. If the Skins' o-line is good next year it won't be because 3 rookies are starting. Shanahan/Allen will have to acquire some o-linemen through free agency, cuts (like the Cardinals did with Bridges), and maybe trades.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Jerome Harrison from Cleveland available? I've never really understood the RFA UFA stuff, never really wanted to.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"I think its easier to find a pro bowl caliber QB that can make you a contender every year than it is to build a completely dominant team everywhere else and hope you sneak through as the exception to the rule."

This is the same philosophy Jerry Angelo used in his Jay Cutler bid (and definitely would have been the same philosophy Snyder used had he won the bidding war). The Bears learned the hard way that you don't get a pro-bowl QB, even if he has the talent, without everything else being in place around him. Which is why all this 'we need a QB who can carry this team' is nonsensical, especially for this team.

Regardless, history has proven that you don't need, and probably shouldn't rely on, top 10 QBs to be your savior. Most of the top QBs in the league right now were not top 10 picks. Sure, you have your Mannings and Rivers, but for every one of those, there's easily a Brees, Favre, Brady, Rodgers, Warner, or Roethlisberger. Some other top 10 picks have been moderate successes - like Carson Palmer - but again, he's really done nothing more than guys like Tony Romo or Matt Schaub. Some point to Matt Ryan as evidence when there's a more successful QB in his own class that wasn't a top 10 QB -- Joe Flacco. Given the massive disparity between contracts given to guys inside and guys outside the top 10, it really isn't worth the gamble, especially considering the relative number of busts at that position.

The key is not hinging on the fact that the Skins have the #4 overall, and therefore should use that opportunity to draft a franchise QB. That's not how it works. The key is identifying the correct QB for a certain system, and making the appropriate selection. It doesn't need to be done in the top 10, and being in the top 10 certainly should not provide the excuse for drafting a QB high.

I'll conclude with this: of all the top 10 drafted QBs currently playing in the league right now, only 4 have proven to be worth the contract delivered to them upon signing: Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, and Donovan McNabb. Only 2 of the guys mentioned above were in the top 10 passers this past season (Manning and Rivers). The other 8 were drafted outside of the top 10, and 6 weren't first rounders at all (Brees, Favre, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Schaub, Romo, Brady, and Warner).

Posted by: psps23 | January 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Do NFL teams trade into the top 5 to draft Left Tackles? If someone trades up to get the Skins' pick they'll probably be looking to grab a franchise QB. If Shanahan believes that Bradford will be an upper-echelon QB he should take him at #4. There will be good o-linemen left when we pick in the 2nd round. If the Skins' o-line is good next year it won't be because 3 rookies are starting. Shanahan/Allen will have to acquire some o-linemen through free agency, cuts (like the Cardinals did with Bridges), and maybe trades.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

EinVB I disagree while i don't think you need to draft a RB high I don't think the answer is on our roster. Plus a great running back makes the offense line look better. Lets just find a burner in the late rounds and platoon betts and cp for one more year. And I said platoon not cp plays when cp wants to play!

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think LBetts will make the roster this year. Serious injury, rehab will last until training camp, and he's scheduled to make $2.6 mil. I think we are better off going with CP, Ganther & Alridge and maybe Mason. And maybe we can find a speed back in the draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Wait the jets made the cahmpionship game with no real offense oh maybe it is 1984"

are you serious? who did they lose to? The jets have a great defense and the COLTS picked them apart...they didn't run it down their throats, they dissected them, with a 6th round wr, and a 4th round wr...

the ravens are at home, right? Joe Gibbs is at home right?? How'd that 1984 offense work in those situations.....

this is a passing league, not a running league...the colts could care less about running the ball...how'd the pats go 18-1, by running the ball??

sorry, smash mouth is what Gibbs 2 was, and that didn't work out so well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Chester Taylor would be a good pickup, but he's practically another Betts, Mason, Ganther, CP. We need that speedster or dynamic 3rd down back that can take a dump off screen and turn it into a 30 yard pickup vice 5-10 yards... I think Aldridge can do that... We just need to coach his a$$ up to hold the ball.

Posted by: EinVB
This reminds me why can't the skins ever run a decent screen pass for the RB yet we run WR screens every possesion. I wouldn't mind seein Taylor in a skins uniform he doesn't have two many miles and makes plays but your right not really an upgrade. THe middle rounds are a crap shoot but since RB aren'tt long for the nfl even the good ones why not take your chances with a late rounder?

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It's a Basque cat: French & Spanish...
I kiid, I kiid.

It's the slow part ;]
(I know, I resemble that remark...doh'p)

Gatton wore his 'farm boy' persona on his sleeve; belied his depth, evidenced by his understanding of harmony. Brilliant 'cat', ykno?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 3:41 PM

I;m with you. I'll be OK with any choice. I'm drinking the Shanny Kool-aid for the next two years. IMO all positions will be open competition this off-season which should be interesting to say the least.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - I agree with everything on your take on the major Skins issues, except 3. I'm not saying go Full out 3-4 as I don't know if we have ideal personnel yet, but I am not opposed to changing it up. I think 3-4's in general are more capable of creating havoc for offenses and opposing QB's when executed properly. If coaches think we can do it... or maybe we slowly implement it over a couple of seasons, that's cool with me.

All of your other points were dead-on... Keep Rogers for decent pay and see if the new coaches can't really make him step up his weak areas (double move and catching). I find it hard to believe that he can't improve those areas and be a top-tier CB. Maybe he doesn't want enough, but it sucked to see him play lights out in the beginning of 2008 and puss out the next year and half.

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I was in the 'do not trade for Sanchez' club, but the kid looks like he'll be a good QB. Lots of great QBs had marginal rookie seasons. Peyton had a 72 rating and 28 picks. Rumor has it he turned out OK, though.

As of now, I'm still glad we didn't get Sanchez, we'd be out Orakpo and probably the #4 overall pick this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Peyton also didn't have much of a team around him and was asked to try and win more games.

All I'm saying is that I'm holding off on judgment on Sanchez. He could be good or he could be terrible.

Sorry if I'm not ready to crown him yet. All he was asked to do was manage games and he did a mediocre job at that.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Draft
1. Okung OT
2. Iupati/ Ducasse/ Asamoah OG
4. LeFevour QB
5. Jamar Chaney/Boris Lee/PatAngerer MLB
7. Trindon Holliday KR/PR

UFAs Targets
Karlos Dansby OLB
Chester Taylor RB
Vince Wilfork NT
Aubrayo Franklin NT
Dunta Robinson CB
Will Allen FS
Chester Pitts OG
Dwan Edwards 3-4 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:05 PM

I'm so down with this that I feel like you put it up to flatter me (the Trindon Holliday pick was your tell). My only quibble is Wilfork and maybe Will Allen, but mostly b/c I dislike Patriots for no rational reason ... and b/c Allen is being let go for performance reasons ... I would heart heart heart if the Skins could land Antoine Bethea though. I don't think Iupati lasts till the second round and the Senior Bowl stuff is pooping on Asomoah.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

this is a passing league, not a running league...the colts could care less about running the ball...how'd the pats go 18-1, by running the ball??

sorry, smash mouth is what Gibbs 2 was, and that didn't work out so well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse
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Dunno, but the "1" in the 18-1 came from the team that led the league in rushing that year, so umma havta chalk that up as an ill advised example.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Draft
1. Okung OT
2. Iupati/ Ducasse/ Asamoah OG
4. LeFevour QB
5. Jamar Chaney/Boris Lee/PatAngerer MLB
7. Trindon Holliday KR/PR

UFAs Targets
Karlos Dansby OLB
Chester Taylor RB
Vince Wilfork NT
Aubrayo Franklin NT
Dunta Robinson CB
Will Allen FS
Chester Pitts OG
Dwan Edwards 3-4 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:05 PM

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Like the thoughts

I like Antonio Brown in 5th for KR/PR. LeFevour's teammate from C.Mich.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"All I'm saying is that I'm holding off on judgment on Sanchez. He could be good or he could be terrible."

All I know is that he's very accurate, and hasn't had a lot of time under center.

He has upside, and had he remained in college, folks would be chompin' at the bit to snag him this April.

Sanchez isn't on our radar.

Iupati or Spiller should be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Dik

"...check out the legato in the last 1/4 of the piece before the 'blues' outro..."


'legato'?????

WTF?????

Is a legato what happens when a mad scientist crosses a head of lettuce with a potato?

Or: it's a spanish word for a musical cat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

haha, wow dude. Legato means notes in a song are played continuously. Meaning when you change from one note to another there is no stop between, it's just a continuous flow. Legato is the exact opposite of staccato, which is short broken notes.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

matt, they lost that game because of the Giants pass rush, not their running game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

this is a passing league, not a running league...the colts could care less about running the ball...how'd the pats go 18-1, by running the ball??

sorry, smash mouth is what Gibbs 2 was, and that didn't work out so well...

And who did that pats team lose to. Thats right a team that ran the ball up the gut and played good D. Granted the G men got lucky with tyrees catch but that has always been the way to beet those passing teams and it still is. Yes those other teams are out of the playoffs but its not as if you can't get to the playoffs and make a run to the bowl with that philosophy. Some good offensive teams are staying home to like the cards cowgirls packers and chargers.
Point being you don't have to pass to win!

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Freeman, Sanchez, and Stafford can hardly be called terrible. I don't know if you watched Sunday but Sanchez had a damn good game against the Colts. He stood in the pocket against the blitz and made some plays I've never seen Campbell make. They were all inconsistent for sure but to call them terrible is a little biased is it not?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll concede that he had a good game and isn't terrible but you have to give kudos to Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe. Eugene Monroe did struggle but that was mainly due to illness and he faced some of the best pass rushers in the league this year. Jason Smith wasn't that bad either. In fact, I don't think anyone from last year's draft class should even be included in the argument.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

this is a passing league, not a running league...the colts could care less about running the ball...how'd the pats go 18-1, by running the ball??

sorry, smash mouth is what Gibbs 2 was, and that didn't work out so well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse
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Dunno, but the "1" in the 18-1 came from the team that led the league in rushing that year, so umma havta chalk that up as an ill advised example.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse
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Actually, only #4 that year. My memory stands corrected. Gints led the following year, but the point remains basically the same. Giants are a run first offense

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

DG28 - Agreed on the RB Screens.

I liked Zorn as a person, but I had a hard time figuring out why he did some of the crap he did... Manages games poorly on critical calls, time mgmt, etc.. I think he's a smart guy but was simply in over his head... And Brilliant Vinny and Danny didn't have a clue.

However, why we didn't run RB screens boggles my mind. Maybe b/c CP was the primay back and he has some suspect hands...

In 2008 we ran some really nice TE Screens to Cooley that were crucial on moving the chains on 3rd that I never saw again. I don't know where those went... Whatever though.. Moot point as we were so bad last season it doesn't matter.

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"cards cowgirls packers and chargers"

all made the playoffs, and are all passing teams.....just sayin....

the pats lost to the giants because of Osi/Strahan/Tuck, etc. it had nothing to do with the giants running the ball down their throats....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Notwithstanding the Health Information Privacy Protection Act, if the Skins PASS on Bradford or even if they stop expressing interest in him at the Combine or his Pro Day (and instead focus on other QBs), then there is a fair chance that he could fall way down in the 1st round ... because of the perception (real or not) that the Skins (based on advice from team physician and Bradford surgeon, James Andrews) dished goods on his prospects. The most insane feat would be if the Skins were able to trade down (or up) and still get him (and blast the league with a collective "SIC!"). Either way, if they pick him, that means the doctor says he's fine ... and he's real accurate, so with a couple few years learning and taking snaps under center, it would be good to have a franchise QB in the closet for future use (like our current future-is-now franchise QB, Colt Brennan).

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe I read a quote or take on Shanny's philosophy that you Pass to Score and Run to Win.

You've got to be balanced or have an All-Pro QB and Dominant O-Line.

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

matt, they lost that game because of the Giants pass rush, not their running game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse
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would you define that pass rush as 'smashmouth'? Careful... :)

More than one way to skin a cat, is all I'm sayin'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Beantown by the way losing to Peyton Manning future HOF QB who has a chance to be one of the greatest ever should not make Rex Ryan change philosophies. Ya every team needs some passing game, but it comes down to who beats each up the most in the trenches and if you don't see that then we are not watching the same game.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Kiper may have just posted this... has today's date:

Washington Redskins
Top needs: QB, OT, RB, G, DE
First round (4): Sam Bradford
Second-round options (37): OT Charles Brown, OT Selvish Capers, RB Jahvid Best
Third-round options: No third-round picks (used in the supplemental draft)
Summary: For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

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I still like Clausen over Bradford... think he's wrong.

Posted by: tony325 | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the whole LT vs QB debate is not being looked at fairly. A dominant left tackle helps more than the passing game - he helps the running game immensely. A rookie QB will have less impact on the running game. I just don't see the point in drafting a QB at number one this year with an offensive line that leaks like a sieve. Even if you re-sign and start Campbell, keeping the baby QB on the bench, you still won't have an effective running game. If you have a strong offensive line you can get by with a so-so QB and a so-so free agent running back (think Campbell and Chester Taylor). I say start the save the whales campaign and don't draft anyone under 290 pounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 26, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

What the f_ck is Zorn doing involved with anything in football at a NFL level?
7.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 26, 2010 2:13 PM

SHUT UP! ZORN HAS THE RIGHT TO BE ANYWHERE HE CHOOSES DICK-HEAD!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

are the colts a smashmouth team

are the patriots a smashmouth team

they are #1, and #2 in overall victories in the last 10 years of the NFL...so I'll just rest on that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

RE: Running vs. Passing league

Gotta agree with BG on this one.

only 3 playoff teams this year were run oriented offenses.

of those only 1 made the conference championship game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I still like Clausen over Bradford... think he's wrong.

Posted by: tony325 | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse
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Kiper is trying to justify all the press he gave Bradford last year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

EinVB- screens, bootlegs, quick slants all things you do to hide a bad offensive line. All are things I didn't see the Skins do effectivly. Hopefully this changes under shanny.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

the saints are playing in the super bowl with an UNDRAFTED FA as their starting RB....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"cards cowgirls packers and chargers"

all made the playoffs, and are all passing teams.....just sayin....

the pats lost to the giants because of Osi/Strahan/Tuck, etc. it had nothing to do with the giants running the ball down their throats....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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Greg,
But the point was that on offense the Giants didn't need the sick passing attack to win...
And if the Patriots could have actually run the ball to keep them from rushing on every play, it could have been the difference.

Regardless its hard to win it all if your too pass oriented or too run oriented. You almost have to be perfect.

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

When the patiots won super bowls they ran the ball not brady throwing 40 passes a game and there dline was one of the best in the league.
Good D and running the ball go hand in hand not every one is drew bees or manning if the skins get a QB like that then throw the ball, but right now we have a decent D and no real passing game. So lets work with what we have. Shanny has always been run first play action second so the point is moot.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

EinVB- screens, bootlegs, quick slants all things you do to hide a bad offensive line. All are things I didn't see the Skins do effectivly. Hopefully this changes under shanny.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:10 PM
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Screens and quick slants: those are things old snaggle arm doesn't do well. He can be mobile, but he cannot throw on the run, so I would also argue that he's not a great boot leg passer as well. If you are going to make Campbell successful with a horrible offensive line you have to do what Sherm Lewis did: drop him back in the shotgun, run heavy and add some play action passing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

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Damn... are you his mother?

Posted by: tony325 | January 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM
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Signed, Jim Zorn's momma

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 26, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

From the South practice per ESPN Scouts. Selvish Capers fans will be happy.

South team
• South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood showed in college that he can block punts and he just got another one here during the special teams period.

• Georgia DT Geno Atkins is showing good quickness today and looks like a solid fit as a 3-technique in the NFL. At one point Atkins abused Alabama G Mike Johnson with a quick first step and good hand use.

• Florida WR Riley Cooper is having a solid day, making a spectacular one-handed catch over South Florida's Jerome Murphy.

• West Virginia's Selvish Capers has been the best offensive lineman on the South team during Day 2. He is showing good mobility, getting to the second level well and would be a good fit for a zone blocking team. Capers stopped Georgia DL Jeff Owens cold twice during drills.

• LSU RB Charles Scott has been relentless as a blocker during 9-on-7 drills. Scott also showed great focus during 7-on-7s by catching a pass that bounced off the hands of South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood.

• Alabama RB Roy Upchurch made a nice catch on a wheel route and ran with good balance during 9-on-7 drills.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"cards cowgirls packers and chargers"

all made the playoffs, and are all passing teams.....just sayin....

the pats lost to the giants because of Osi/Strahan/Tuck, etc. it had nothing to do with the giants running the ball down their throats....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

add to that the Eagles, Pats, Saints, the Vikings (when AP goes 9 games in a row without 100 yards you're not a running team). the only true smash mouth teams in the playoffs this year were Cincy and Bmore every other team was better passing than rushing.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

Chill dude... I think it was a joke. I am with you, Zorn was a stand up guy with a ton of character and class... top notch. He just was sketchy in too many areas managing this team and didn't seem to learn from some of his mistakes. Vinny and Dan kind of handcuffed him though.. He was much tougher on the players in 2008 and backed off BIG TIME in 2009, something I don't think got enough mention at all.

In 2008, Media was jumping on him for throwing players under the bus and I don't think he should have changed... Maybe handle what he said to press diferently, but he should have stayed on them regardless of what vinny and danny thought...

Posted by: EinVB | January 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

• Drills have not been kind to USC S Taylor Mays, who needs to show he can hold up in coverage this week. He looks stiff and is having trouble opening his hips out of his backpedal during 1-on-1s.

• Ole Miss RB/WR Dexter McCluster has been quick in his routes during 1-on-1 drills, catching the ball well and making a nice diving grab on a deep ball from Tim Tebow.

• South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood tried to jam Auburn RB Ben Tate early in his route but whiffed and could not recover. Tate tracked the ball well despite looking back into the sun and made the catch down the seam.

•Texas MLB Rod Muckelroy moved well laterally and exploded up into the hole during bag work early but looked stiff during one-on-one coverage drills.

• A pair of defensive backs are looking good early. Both Oklahoma State CB Perrish Cox and South Florida S Nate Allen have been very fluid changing directions so far in drills.

• Depth in his drops and inconsistent accuracy are still a problem for Tim Tebow as today's practice gets underway. He also appears to be pushing the ball rather than snapping it out of his hand.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

only 3 playoff teams this year were run oriented offenses.

of those only 1 made the conference championship game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse
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Statistically, then, the odds favor a running team to make it to the conference championship. Gotta love twisting numbers :)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how all the stats oficiando's can make them say anything they want to make sure that they are right.

As far as Sanchez just being just mediocre at managing his games, I'd say he was a lot better of managing and you know who.

If Shanny and co. want JC for this year, ok but still gonna watch how JC handles blitz's, 8 in the box, 3 and outs with dump off passes when needing 7 yds for 1st down. But then again his completion pct will be in the top 20 so who cares.

Dont really know all these top rated QB's in this years draft, but I just checked a site and Scouts.com doesnt have a stellar grade at grading players (i.e. top 5). They just seem to have the best/biggest name out there for all the arm chair GM's to rave about player a over player b.

Ok, now lets have it. Go for it. I full grown and I can take it. lololololol

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It is a passing leauge but you don't HAVE to pass to win and next year if a defensive team wins will you all change tune?

Redskin head your right he doesn't do those things well but he didn't step up in the pocket well or feel the blitz well. so would you really gain anything using shotgun over bootlegs? a combo of all the above would have been ideal.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dont really know all these top rated QB's in this years draft, but I just checked a site and Scouts.com doesnt have a stellar grade at grading players (i.e. top 5). They just seem to have the best/biggest name out there for all the arm chair GM's to rave about player a over player b.

Ok, now lets have it. Go for it. I full grown and I can take it. lololololol

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse
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Scouts Inc = Todd McShay = your analysis is spot on = total fraud

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Easy guy, we all apologize for hurting your feelings and making fun of your man crush.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sign Donald Penn from Tampa
Draft OT first
Draft Mike Iupati or Vladimir Ducasse both are rated as the best available Guards in draft. Vladmir use to played OT in college but will shift over guard in the pros so by just focasing on the Offensive line this year we could have a young solid O line for the easily the next ten years along with dept at that postion. Next year we can swing for the fences for a player like berry or suh.

Posted by: mehtadman87 | January 26, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

meant "than you know who"

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

It is a passing leauge but you don't HAVE to pass to win

just most of the teams in the playoffs were passing teams and the 2 teams in the super bowl, but yeah, over the course of 1-offseason, that should change......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

All of you "it's a passing league" guys need to remember what Shanahan was quoted as saying: "You pass to score, but you run to win."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskin head your right he doesn't do those things well but he didn't step up in the pocket well or feel the blitz well. so would you really gain anything using shotgun over bootlegs? a combo of all the above would have been ideal.

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:26 PM
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I guess that is my point. If you expect Campbell to QB next year - which the team probably will even if the draft a QB, you have to go o-line, or it is 4-12 again. If the Redskins grab a couple of o-lineman at the top of the draft, they might find a sleeper farther down. Remember, Shanahan has had a whole offseason to scout college QB's and NFL QB's. He might surprise us all by pulling off a trade for some QB already in the NFL like Brodie Croyle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 26, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Graham, OLB/DE, Michigan

"Graham has been rushing with his hand on the ground but he told me most teams talking to him see him as a weakside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He rushed with a good combination of speed and power and, at 263 pounds, could be a strongside OLB. Some compare him to Steelers LB LaMarr Woodley, but when I asked him about the comparison he was clearly his own guy. He is a solid, fundamental player who takes the game very seriously."

Orakpo/Graham could be a Harrison/Woodley combo of OLBs in a 3-4 set. It's too bad we have so many needs and only 5 picks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess there's the difference between me and most of you on here. I happen to think its very hard to build a dominant oline, especially playing the defenses in our division twice a year. I'd rather have an average tackle and a pro bowl QB than a pro bowl tackle and an average QB.

This season out of the 6 pro bowl tackles only 3 had pro bowl QB's and only 3 teams made the playoffs. (IMO Braynt Mckinnie and Jason Peters weren't really Pro Bowlers but whatevs) Of the 6 pro bowl QBs all made the playoffs and two are in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing, I'd argue that pro bowl QBs look good at least in part because they play behind excellent (or at least above average) offensive lines. A great QB behind a poor line is likely to have a career like Archie Manning, instead of a career like Payton.

On the other hand, an average QB behind a great offensive line (that also creates big holes for a running game) can win super bowls. (See Simms, Phil, or any of the QBs who played during the first Joe Gibbs era in Washington.)

I'd hope to trade down from the #4 pick and get as many high picks as possible in return, and I'd definitely look for more than one early pick on OL in the draft.

Posted by: gophercrow | January 26, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

=power rankings=maps

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 26, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

To revisit the categorization of 'smash-mouth' earlier. How many 'finesse' teams have won the Super Bowl this decade?

Ravens, no
Patriots, no (Brady 2,843 yds 18 TDs 12 INTs)
Bucs, no
Patriots, no (Brady 3,600 yds 23 TDs, 12 INTs)
Patriots, no (Corey Dillon rushed for 1600 yds, 12 TDs, tho)
Steelers, no
Colts, yes
Giants, no
Steelers, no

Even if you allow the Pats to be considered 'finesse' it's a 5-5 split, given this year you can surely chalk in the 'finesse' column.

But of course, those first 2 Pats teams were maulers in their own right, so I see no better than 7-3 against finesse.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

As far as Sanchez just being just mediocre at managing his games, I'd say he was a lot better of managing and you know who.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Pointless to debate, since we can't have Sanchez and Campbell switch teams and compare how they do.

Campbell might not win you games but I think he can manage games just fine. See first half of 08.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You're a dick head, and nobody likes you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mehtadman87 | January 26, 2010 4:28 PM

Donald Penn is a RFA. You'd have to give TB a draft pick for him.

less than 6 years of NFL service = RFA-restricted

greater than 6 years = UFA-unrestricted

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"that's what the draft is about. POTENTIAL
Posted by: ga8085"

Potential: what a sucker is made of.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mehtadman87 | January 26, 2010 4:28 PM

Donald Penn is a RFA. You'd have to give TB a draft pick for him.

less than 6 years of NFL service = RFA-restricted

greater than 6 years = UFA-unrestricted

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse
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footnote: normally it's 4 years, but with the CBA situation, it jumps to 6

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the whole LT vs QB debate is not being looked at fairly. A dominant left tackle helps more than the passing game - he helps the running game immensely. A rookie QB will have less impact on the running game. I just don't see the point in drafting a QB at number one this year with an offensive line that leaks like a sieve. Even if you re-sign and start Campbell, keeping the baby QB on the bench, you still won't have an effective running game. If you have a strong offensive line you can get by with a so-so QB and a so-so free agent running back (think Campbell and Chester Taylor). I say start the save the whales campaign and don't draft anyone under 290 pounds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 26, 2010 4:06 PM

If they draft a QB, the idea would be that the guy can someday be awesome, but not next season and he doesn't have to start. If they draft a LT, the idea is that they figured out that there is a roster VACANCY at the position (and that all the duct tape and crazy glue in the world is not going to fix Chris Samuels' spinal condition).

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

• Depth in his drops and inconsistent accuracy are still a problem for Tim Tebow as today's practice gets underway. He also appears to be pushing the ball rather than snapping it out of his hand.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this guy is going to be a ginormous bust or needs some serious work to play Pro. I don't understand why QB's are rated so high in the draft. It's the most risky position to draft and it really doesn't matter how well a QB plays in college because it hardly ever seems to convert to pro.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Smashmouth is yesterday's news (they haven't done anything since that song at the beginning of Shrek).

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"My hope is that some team is in love with Clausen and wants to come get him or Okung. Shehawks? They fit that bill."

Always a nice fantasy, but seldom realized. Teams shy away from top ten picks because of the financial commitment and the risk it entails if the player struggles or gets hurt. You can make a trade like the Jets did for Sanchez, but what did Cleveland get in return? Not to awfully damn much.

If there was a single superstar QB in this class, we might see some real activity. But there isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

just most of the teams in the playoffs were passing teams and the 2 teams in the super bowl, but yeah, over the course of 1-offseason, that should change......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Well since 50% of the teams that make the playoffs don't the following year uh yea it just might change. You are really tacking this to heart so how about this with the skins current roster and coach which philosphy do you think the skins will go? Shanahan has always been run first even with Elway(see TD).

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we are finesse or smashmouth, whatever. I haven't really watched the Texans but I know K.Shanahan likes to pass. i think next year people will get a heavy dose of Cooley and Davis. If 1 TE is good, 2 is better, right?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

So for me the question is if Okung is there do you pick him or QB?

I'd go with Okung, but then the trouble is next years draft may be pretty thin cause everyone's coming out this year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 26, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, an average QB behind a great offensive line (that also creates big holes for a running game) can win super bowls. (See Simms, Phil, or any of the QBs who played during the first Joe Gibbs era in Washington.)

I'd hope to trade down from the #4 pick and get as many high picks as possible in return, and I'd definitely look for more than one early pick on OL in the draft.

Posted by: gophercrow | January 26, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

As discussed earlier, 17 years ago that was true, but since the last time the Skins won the super bowl its been true twice maybe three times Bucs, Ravens and maybe Big Ben's first win. Other than that ever other team had a pro bowl if not HOF caliber QB.

Troy Aikman
Troy Aikman
Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
John Elway
John Elway
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer (exception)
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson (1 year after being in the Pro Bowl but still exception despite throwing for 3000 22 TD and 6 INT)
Tom Brady
Tom Brady
Big Ben (borderline exception)
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Peyton or Brees

seems to be a decent amount of evidence that QB is important, now tell me all the HOF tackles on these teams.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Smashmouth is yesterday's news (they haven't done anything since that song at the beginning of Shrek).

Posted by: dcsween

LOL

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this guy is going to be a ginormous bust or needs some serious work to play Pro. I don't understand why QB's are rated so high in the draft. It's the most risky position to draft and it really doesn't matter how well a QB plays in college because it hardly ever seems to convert to pro.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that the only reason Claussen is slated to go so high is because he's really the only decent QB prospect. He's not as good of a prospect as Sanchez or Stafford were. I bet by this time next year Jake Locker, Ryan Mallet and Pat Devlin will be graded better than Claussen. If not then those three will be graded higher than anyone else in this draft class. I hope St. Louis take Heath Claussen and we take Okung. Then next year we can get a better prospect with a better arm. What's the point of taking a mediocre prospect to replace a mediocre QB? That sounds like a huge waste of a #4 pick. We know Okung is going to be way better than Stephon Heyer.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

So for me the question is if Okung is there do you pick him or QB?

I'd go with Okung, but then the trouble is next years draft may be pretty thin cause everyone's coming out this year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 26, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse
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Im not convinced next years draft is happening. I'm assuming the owners are brighter than doling out signing bonuses to a bunch of kids they are about to lock out

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs is the only coach to consistently win without a good QB but alot of those guys mentioned were considered above average qb because of the team they played on. ie Aikman, eli, and early tom brady

Posted by: DG28 | January 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, an average QB behind a great offensive line (that also creates big holes for a running game) can win super bowls. (See Simms, Phil, or any of the QBs who played during the first Joe Gibbs era in Washington.)

I'd hope to trade down from the #4 pick and get as many high picks as possible in return, and I'd definitely look for more than one early pick on OL in the draft.

Posted by: gophercrow | January 26, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

As discussed earlier, 17 years ago that was true, but since the last time the Skins won the super bowl its been true twice maybe three times Bucs, Ravens and maybe Big Ben's first win. Other than that ever other team had a pro bowl if not HOF caliber QB.

Troy Aikman
Troy Aikman
Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
John Elway
John Elway
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer (exception)
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson (1 year after being in the Pro Bowl but still exception despite throwing for 3000 22 TD and 6 INT)
Tom Brady
Tom Brady
Big Ben (borderline exception)
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Peyton or Brees

seems to be a decent amount of evidence that QB is important, now tell me all the HOF tackles on these teams.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Can't name all the HOF tackles on the team because not a lot of Tackles are inducted to the HOF. That doesn't mean they were incredible players but the QB is the most glorified and "Hollywood" position in football. Of course more QBs are going to go to the HOF tahn OTs. Duh.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I think an important thing the best offenses in the league have in common is how successful these teams are at throwing the ball downfield.

I think this is more important than what % of run or pass plays a team is calling.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Per my last post there are 34 Offensive Linemen in the HOF. That's Tackles, Guards and Centers. There are 23 QBs in the HOF. Let's do some simple math: 34 divided by 3 is roughly 11 HOFers per position on the Offensive line and still 23 QB HOFers.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

All of you "it's a passing league" guys need to remember what Shanahan was quoted as saying: "You pass to score, but you run to win."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Well, you obviously need to do both. But the Skins have become neither. We eaked into the playoffs under Gibbs as a running team. Under Zorn we became a "nothing" team.

Even with Campbell hitting career benchmarks this past season, any reasonable person would blow milk out the nose if you called the Skins a "passing team" with a straight face.

I would like to become a "passing" team because I think the rules continue to slant in favor of passing game, when you consider the tighter PI calls and the added protections the rules keep giving QBs.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Im not convinced next years draft is happening. I'm assuming the owners are brighter than doling out signing bonuses to a bunch of kids they are about to lock out

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:57 PM

The draft is about the exclusive right to sign, not actually signing.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Im not convinced next years draft is happening. I'm assuming the owners are brighter than doling out signing bonuses to a bunch of kids they are about to lock out

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse


Oh it's happening.

If ESPN has scheduled it for prime-time, bet your cheeks it's happening...

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

All of you "it's a passing league" guys need to remember what Shanahan was quoted as saying: "You pass to score, but you run to win."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 4:31 PM

That quote is Joe Bugel, not Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't name all the HOF tackles on the team because not a lot of Tackles are inducted to the HOF. That doesn't mean they were incredible players but the QB is the most glorified and "Hollywood" position in football. Of course more QBs are going to go to the HOF tahn OTs. Duh.

Corrections:
"That doesn't mean they WEREN'T incredible players..."

"than"

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

• Depth in his drops and inconsistent accuracy are still a problem for Tim Tebow as today's practice gets underway. He also appears to be pushing the ball rather than snapping it out of his hand.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this guy is going to be a ginormous bust or needs some serious work to play Pro. I don't understand why QB's are rated so high in the draft. It's the most risky position to draft and it really doesn't matter how well a QB plays in college because it hardly ever seems to convert to pro.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse


This guy is going to get drafted by Jacksonville and save the franchise from moving to LA.

I think about 92% of Jacksonville's population is Florida alum...

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

• Depth in his drops and inconsistent accuracy are still a problem for Tim Tebow as today's practice gets underway. He also appears to be pushing the ball rather than snapping it out of his hand.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like this guy is going to be a ginormous bust or needs some serious work to play Pro. I don't understand why QB's are rated so high in the draft. It's the most risky position to draft and it really doesn't matter how well a QB plays in college because it hardly ever seems to convert to pro.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse


This guy is going to get drafted by Jacksonville and save the franchise from moving to LA.

I think about 92% of Jacksonville's population is Florida alum...

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

You might be right. But what if he fails? Are you saying Tebow is the last hope for J'ville? IMO I'd much rather see an NFL team in LA over Jacksonville, FL.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

All of you "it's a passing league" guys need to remember what Shanahan was quoted as saying: "You pass to score, but you run to win."

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 4:31 PM

That quote is Joe Bugel, not Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 5:05 PM

Maybe it was Herm Edwards when asked about Shany..

"He's going to run the football," said former coach Herman Edwards, who regularly competed against Shanahan during his stints with the Kansas City Chiefs and New York Jets. "He's always had that ability. His style of football is that you pass to score, but you run to win. He lives by that philosophy."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

That quote is Joe Bugel, not Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 5:05 PM

I thought you'd fall for that, Mr. Big Stuff. Quote is by Herm Edwards, describing Shanahan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902175.html

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

My hope is that some team is in love with Clausen and wants to come get him or Okung. Shehawks? They fit that bill.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 26, 2010 2:23 PM

You would need 2 teams interested in Clausen for us to trade out. One team after us that wants him and another after that teams that wants him more.

Posted by: narielnasl | January 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

For those who keep saying we can get one of the top graded QB's next year, then I guess that you think we are gonna be 4-12 or worse this year.

If we win 7-9 games we not gonna have a high draft pick. (i know there might not be a league). Does that mean we pull a Vinny/Gibbs 2.0 and trade 3 picks from 2011 to move up to get a top graded QB?

I would like to think that if we gonna take a 1st rounder QB, it would be this year and see what happens.

Iloved the years with George Allen, just got greatly flustered with his vets only clubs.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What I wonder is who paid for Zorn's air fare and hotel room?

Posted by: League-Source |

Conan O'Brien. He's flush.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it was Herm Edwards when asked about Shany..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 5:16 PM

I thought sween would fall for it, but I knew you wouldn't. If I'd known you were coming up here I never would have tried to get away with that. Oh, the shame....

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Conan O'Brien. He's flush.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2010 5:24 PM

Good point -- he was flushed and came out flush.

Posted by: League-Source | January 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

IF the draft goes Suh, other stud DT whose name escapes me, and then Berry, Okung and both Clausen and Bradford will be there at 4.

Would that tempt a team to come get Okung or one of the 2 QBs?

I think we should trade out of the 4 spot to gain picks if at all possible. I think we can get a "good enough" LT while adding another starter, too.

Posted by: Freddie Fritz

This year I'm not worried that the 'skins will get hornswaggled by Denver in a trade, or that Vinny will make a bad pick.

I think a lot depends on what Shanahan and his peeps think of Clausen or Bradford. Shanahan won with Elway, didn't win it all without him. If he sees either as a franchise QB, I think he'll draft him.

Otherwise, even with Okung there, I think he entertains trades. He should lay the groundwork of course, so he's ready to pull the trigger on Draft Day.

A mid first rounder and a high second, along with the 'skins high second could go a long way to fixing the offensive line, and perhaps add an RB or a free safety.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

2 think drafting a OT with our first pick is going to save this team is silly. OL becomes good over time. that being said, please skins, please, draft a QB with the first pick (bradford). then use 2 picks to take 2 OL and the other LB or S.

if you cant get JC for a 1 yr contract move on..

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 26, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Tebow is the last hope for J'ville?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse


Yes.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

there is a big flaw up here:

Sanchez vs. Russel

Statistically Russell had a better rookie year

How this tranlates shouldn't be Russels a bust and sanchez isn't

The jets are good and the raiders aren't is the better assessment

This is also why the Campbell criticism is unfair

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 26, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Tebow is the last hope for J'ville?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse


Yes.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2010 5:31 PM |

J'ville will draft Tebow not for his QB ability, but for his put a$$es in the seats ability.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Where's Vinnie. Let's hear it for Vinnie. Hip, hip, hoo-rah. Hip, hip, hoorah.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 26, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Not for a NY minute.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 26, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

seems to be a decent amount of evidence that QB is important, now tell me all the HOF tackles on these teams.

Posted by: zjfr2

Ask the question a different way. Which of these QBs played behind a mediocre OL?

One great lineman doesn't solve our OL problem, but it is the right place to start.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"...YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!..."

But I bet to you, we all taste the same.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Im not convinced next years draft is happening. I'm assuming the owners are brighter than doling out signing bonuses to a bunch of kids they are about to lock out

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 26, 2010 4:57 PM
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Cant imagine the NFL not having the Draft. The lockout threat is in 2011. If no 2010 Draft, they'd be creating a disaster for the small market teams, as I guess these players would become defacto free agents(?).
I do imagine, though, Contracts the Draft Class of 2010 sign, will be well designed to protect the owners in the event of a lockout. Probably the signing bonuses will be spread over the length (term) of the contract... Which isnt really a "signing bonus"..
On another thought.. If you own a business that has a special anti-trust exemption from the US Congress and you decide to lock out your employees that belong to a Union. How do you expect Congress to not rescind your exemption status?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 26, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

You can make a trade like the Jets did for Sanchez, but what did Cleveland get in return? Not to awfully damn much.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 26, 2010 4:53 PM |

That deal was so one-sided it should be investigatged by the Commish's office.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 26, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Not for a NY minute.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 26, 2010 5:42 PM |

Not really fair to compare Sanchez with Campbell. Sanchez had only 16 starts in college before he was thrown to the NFL wolves. Campbell has five yrs of NFL experience. Ideally 2009 was supposed to be his breakout yr when he would crash the elite QB club. Manning had a rocky rookie yr with the Colts after 3 seasons as a starter at Tenn.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 26, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It is insane to call josh freeman a terrible QB he is only a rookie with maybe 6 starts, sanchez is not terrible just a rookie as a matter of fact he could turn out to be a good QB. zorn is and was a horrible coach there is no getting around it calling every one dick head's will NOT change that fact glad he is gone. tebow to me looks like a 4th round pick what is the big deal about him?..being white, because he really has nothing that stands out (athletic,arm, mobility etc.)

Posted by: wathu19 | January 26, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

A mid first rounder and a high second, along with the 'skins high second could go a long way to fixing the offensive line, and perhaps add an RB or a free safety.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2010 5:30 PM

There's a free safety from Florida State who didn't enter the draft year (slacker went to Oxford on his Rhodes Scholarship) that is apparently creating all sorts of buzz for himself ... Myron Rolle. Btwn Eric Berry, Taylor Mays, and (ideally) this guy, using that second round pick on a free safety would be something delightful. Though I know lots of people think the Skins have too many first round picks in the secondary, I think a legit free safety (esp. a super smart one like Rolle) might actually get the Skins some turnovers.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

J'ville will draft Tebow not for his QB ability, but for his put a$$es in the seats ability.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2010 5:35 PM |

Mebbe Tebow should seriously consider becoming a Tae Bo instructor.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 26, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"J'ville will draft Tebow not for his QB ability, but for his put a$$es in the seats ability."


Still, that's a risky and dumb way to run a business.

From what I've read about its finances, the jags might not even be in Jacksonville in ten years, meaning the best pro football team in North Florida will either be the Florida Gators or re-surgent Criminoles.

And given the interest, abundant talent, and money in pro football, the jags' issues beg the following question:

Where would they go?

And if you move the AFC jags to say, LA, and the bills to Toronto, could the league support another franchise in the South?

For the players/owners, that's more chances to earn money, play, gain media swag, and spread the NFL wealth.

For the fans, the talent gets diluted, but as with the ravens/texans, success comes quickly in a league hooked on parity.

That's more football in places where it is not, which is much like finding money in a pocket where you didn't think it was.

The South loves football, but is there room, interest, and--above all--money to made with a team in, say, the Carolinas or Alabama or even Oklahoma City?

I know it's a dumb idea, but as the royal king of dumb ideas, I say drafting a guy just to fill seats is a dumb idea.

And that's just the dumb thing that'll happen with Tebow no matter how much you try to expand upon the illogic of it.

So let's shift some teams around and add one and say "F!ck it!" to people who'll say it's a dumb idea.

That is, until the seats get filled.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

blocking for aikman, 4 guys who went to multiple Pro Bowls:
tuinei, newton, stepnowski and larry allen (who will be HOF)

blocking for Steve Young, Pro Bowlers
Steve Wallace, Jesse Sapolu, Bart Oates, Harris Barton

blocking for Elway, multiple Pro Bowlers
Zimmerman (HOF), Tom Nalen, Mark Schlereth

blocking for Brady, Pro Bowlers
Mankins, Koppin, Light, Damien Woody


So yeah, OL matters

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"One name that might be intriguing is former Bucs receiver Keenan McCardell. He's searching for a job as a wide receivers coach, and he obviously has ties to both Bruce Allen and Kyle Shanahan."

One wonders whether Mr. Maese is even aware that McCardell started and ended his career with the Skins (and that his first Super Bowl ring is from his first time on the team).

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, ..."

Dud posts on RI as scampbell1975.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 26, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, Bruce Allen was the one who traded McCardell to the Chargers (for a 3rd and 5th round pick) ... over a contract dispute.

Posted by: dcsween | January 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Why would any of you wish Jim Zorn nothing but good luck? Yes, he is not a good headcoach or even a offensive coordinator, but he has been a very QB coach. Hasselback has been great when healthy. Although I wasn't a Campbell fan, he showed me a lot in the Skins' last 5 games. So much in fact that I think we need to trade down and not draft a QB this year.

Zorn didn't have be the best players. He can thank Vinny for that.
Zorn has been nothing but classy and hard working. I think it is great that he out scouting and looking for a new gig. I, for one, wish him well.

Posted by: neil64 | January 26, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

m not convinced next years draft is happening. I'm assuming the owners are brighter than doling out signing bonuses to a bunch of kids they are about to lock out

Posted by: mattsoundworld

The draft will happen. College kids aren't part of the NFLPA and they don't have to sign anyone to anything before the lockout.

Posted by: geotherm21 | January 26, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, Bruce Allen was the one who traded McCardell to the Chargers (for a 3rd and 5th round pick) ... over a contract dispute.

Posted by: dcsween

ooooooooooooooooo, that is deep knowledge

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"So yeah, OL matters"


Folks have to remember, though, it's not a what came first chicken 'n egg situation.

The line comes first, then the quarterback.

Otherwise, one too many sacks, and the offense hatches a D Carr or P Ramsey.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, watched much of practice from the field, taking notes the entire time.
by Rick Maese

Speaking of being on the field, I was happy to see our own scampbell out on the field. Keep it up, scamp! j/k"

Why isn't anyone else bothered by this??? I know Shanahan/Allen are upgrades over Zorn/Cerroto, but how much of an upgrade are we getting. Shanahan lost his job in Denver because of his personnel decisions (he still did a better job than the Redskins at building a team)and Bruce Allen has never built a Super Bowl team and you always hear that hes not known as a personnel guy. I thought they were going to revamp our scouting department. Has anything really changed if Scott Campbell is still director of player personnel?

Posted by: F0X7 | January 26, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Has anything really changed if Scott Campbell is still director of player personnel?

Posted by: F0X7

Yes, because Vinny isn't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree on picking on Zorn. Not a good coach, but exactly how many of us would turn down $8million to coach the Redskins?

At this point, Zorn and I ought to go on vacation. I think we could agree on this one.

http://blog.momentumriverexpeditions.com/2010/01/26/british-columbia-chilko-river/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Scott Campbell, still the team's director of player personnel, ..."

Dud posts on RI as scampbell1975.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 26, 2010 6:21 PM |

Speaking of being on the field, I was happy to see our own scampbell out on the field. Keep it up, scamp! j/k"

Why isn't anyone else bothered by this??? I know Shanahan/Allen are upgrades over Zorn/Cerroto, but how much of an upgrade are we getting. Shanahan lost his job in Denver because of his personnel decisions (he still did a better job than the Redskins at building a team)and Bruce Allen has never built a Super Bowl team and you always hear that hes not known as a personnel guy. I thought they were going to revamp our scouting department. Has anything really changed if Scott Campbell is still director of player personnel?


Posted by: F0X7 | January 26, 2010 6:45 PM |

Yea, I believe that guy is a little older than me. I don't have the luck of being a Redskin employee either. Plus I live in Dayton, Ohio so that would be one hell of a commute. That guy has been around there for a while. He was the head college scout and just a regular scout at one point. He's been promoted through the ranks but I'm not sure which regime he started under.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

You guys that talk bad about Zorn are real jerks with no class! He is a nice guy, maybe not an NFL caliber coach but that is no reason to talk about him. YOU ARE ALL DICK HEADS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Whoa..Somebody woke up on the wrong side of Zorn's bed this morning.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 26, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

That Kurt Shanamamahamaham is one aaaanngry dude.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Okung in the f1rst round
Pouncey in the second round

However, I will be fine with Bradford & Pouncey

Posted by: Lipty | January 26, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The other Scott Campbell has been there since 2001. I wonder how much say he had in draft picks or did he just provide the research on the people Snyderatto wanted to look at?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Okung in the f1rst round
Pouncey in the second round

However, I will be fine with Bradford & Pouncey

Posted by: Lipty | January 26, 2010 7:08 PM

I like your first scenario, hate the second.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

does anyone with common sense post here anymore? All I read is a bunch of blah blah blah from a bunch of brokeback donkeys

Posted by: SkinEm1 | January 26, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This is from Hogs haven. It used the website ProFootballFocus.com to look at Campbell's 2009 performance from a statistically perspective. If you don't like stats in the formulation of an argument, I'd suggest you don't read it. For all otheers, enjoy.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/1/26/1270571/break-it-down-jason-campbells-2009?ref=CBS

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the Skins beat them to the punch. I think he'll be a good coach.

Keenan back to the Bucs?
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Keenan McCardell | Redskins Top Email

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a vacancy at receivers coach, and according to a report from the Tampa Tribune last week, they could fill it with either Ike Hilliard or Keenan McCardell, both former wideouts for the team.

Hilliard spent the fall working as the receivers coach for the UFL's Florida Tuskers, while McCardell tutored the New York Giants receivers during training camp in 2009 and served on Marty Schottenheimer's staff for the East-West Shrine Bowl. While both are a little light on official coaching experience, they would be good additions to the staff to mentor some of the young receivers on the roster.

Update: Pewter Report has word that McCardell will be interviewing on Tuesday night for the gig. Hilliard is also expected to interview for the job, but there is none scheduled yet.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

By Adam Caplan
Senior NFL Reporter

Here's a breakdown of the three quarterbacks from the North team after watching Tuesday's 90-minute practice:


Dan LeFevour/Central Michigan

Arm Strength: LeFevour, based on the way he threw in this practice, doesn't have a strong arm. He couldn't get any power into his throws nor did he get a good push off his back foot.

Accuracy: Like many of the quarterbacks here in Mobile this week, he tended to rush his throws. Because of that, many of LeFevour's passes were inaccurate during this practice session.

Pocket Awareness/Movement: Moving away from the rush wasn't an issue at all for LeFevour. He seemed to sense oncoming pass rushers well.

Mechanics: LeFevour struggled with his footwork during this session. Because of that, he may have lost some power in his throws. His release point also seemed to be an issue for him.


Sean Canfield/Oregon St.

Arm Strength: Canfield simply was unable to drive the ball down field with any accuracy or power. He doesn't get enough power off of his back foot and also tends to push the ball a bit.

Accuracy: While he clearly has a below average arm, Canfield has nice touch on fades 25-30 yards down field. That's an area of his game where he's strong--making touch passes. He seems to have a good feel for that part of his game. However, when he's called upon to make stick or tougher throws, he was unable to do that with any accuracy because of his apparent lack of arm strength.

Pocket Awareness/Movement: Canfield doesn't have great feet, but was still able to move around well enough to find functional space to throw the ball.

Mechanics: Canfield needs to put the ball back further during his throwing motion in order to get more power. He also needs to get better torque or force into his throws. His footwork also could be improved.


Tony Pike/Cincinnati

Arm Strength: There's no question that Pike has an above average arm from watching him throw live. He's able to throw with power by pushing off his back foot. He was able to get his ball through the mild breeze during the Tuesday morning practice to his intended receiver.

Accuracy: Because his rushes his throws every once in a while, Pike's passes would tend to sail over his intended target. He's able to drive the ball outside the numbers and hash area fairly well.

Pocket Awareness/Movement: Pike had little trouble moving around in the pocket during the practice session. It doesn't hurt that he's a tall quarterback. He's able to see over his offensive line rather easily.

Mechanics: Pike's footwork was inconsistent, and as a result, some of his passes went awry. Since he has a good release point, Pike is able to get good power into his throws. When he slows down, Pike is able to make most throws.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's a look at Tuesday's South team quarterbacks:


Tim Tebow/Florida

What a difference a day makes for the southpaw.

On Monday, Tebow couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. On Tuesday, his accuracy was much better. He also threw with more power, especially over the middle.

Tebow had better touch on Tuesday, but again, he takes too long to get the ball out of his hands.

Another improvement we saw from him was he made deeper throws with better accuracy. We're not talking 40-50 yards, but more like 20-25.


Zac Robinson/Oklahoma St.

This was a much better session for Robinson on the second day of practice.

He threw the ball with better accuracy and power. He still needs to get his body more into his throws, but Robinson made better progress in getting the ball out of his hands more quickly to his receivers and tight ends.


Jarrett Brown/West Virginia

The strong-armed signal caller had another strong session on Tuesday. Brown's accuracy was solid and he had no problem getting the ball out of his hands on time to his intended passing targets.

You have to like how Brown isn't afraid to throw the ball into tight windows. That's a great sign.

Brown did a better job on Tuesday with timing and anticipation of where his receivers would be at the end of their route. Timing with receivers is one of the biggest issues young quarterbacks face, especially when they've never worked with these particular players before.


Other Notes:

Two other players to keep an eye on from the South team:

- WR Joe Webb/Alabama-Birmingham - He played quarterback at UAB, but is playing wide receiver here this week. He has a big frame and isn't afraid to go over the middle. Webb moves fairly well and has skills that are worth developing.

- RB/WR Dexter McCluster - He has been the most impressive offensive player from either squad through two days of practices. In fact, in the nine years I've been coming to Mobile for Senior Bowl week, I don't think I've seen an offensive player with more suddenness. He also gives tremendous effort at the snap. While he's a bit small, McCluster plays bigger than his listed size (5'8", 165).

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

SCOUTS INC.'S TOP 32
Player Pos. School Grade

1. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 97
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 97
3. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
4. Joe Haden* CB Florida 96
5. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96
6. Russell Okung OT Okla. State 96
7. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 96
8. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 95
9. Jake Locker* QB Washington 95
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 95
11. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 94
12. Earl Thomas* S Texas 94
13. Dez Bryant* WR Okla. State 94
14. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 94
15. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 94
16. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 93
17. Jason Pierre-Paul DESouth Florida 93
18. Taylor Mays S USC 93
19. Bruce Carter* OLB North Carolina 92
20. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 92
21. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 92
22. Jahvid Best* RB California 92
23. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 92
24. Bruce Campbell OT Maryland 92
25. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 92
26. Golden Tate* WR Notre Dame 91
27. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 91
28. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 90
29. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 90
30. Jonathan Dwyer* RB Georgia Tech 90
31. Vladimir Ducasse G UMass-Amherst 90
32. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson 90
* denotes draft-eligible junior


Posted by: abxinc | January 26, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

does anyone with common sense post here anymore? All I read is a bunch of blah blah blah from a bunch of brokeback donkeys

I'm confused by the use of the word "anymore".

Posted by: daggar | January 26, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This is from Hogs haven. It used the website ProFootballFocus.com to look at Campbell's 2009 performance from a statistically perspective. If you don't like stats in the formulation of an argument, I'd suggest you don't read it. For all otheers, enjoy.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/1/26/1270571/break-it-down-jason-campbells-2009?ref=CBS

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2010 8:45 PM
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TWISI you owe me 20 minutes of my life..
You must be making money from that website.

You could of looked at Jason's situational stats on NFL.com and got the same thing in 2 minutes.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 26, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I believe that guy is a little older than me. I don't have the luck of being a Redskin employee either. Plus I live in Dayton, Ohio so that would be one hell of a commute. That guy has been around there for a while. He was the head college scout and just a regular scout at one point. He's been promoted through the ranks but I'm not sure which regime he started under.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 6:58 PM
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He's Marion Campbell's kid..

FRom what I have heard.. he is more organizational and administrative than decision making.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 26, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I believe that guy is a little older than me. I don't have the luck of being a Redskin employee either. Plus I live in Dayton, Ohio so that would be one hell of a commute. That guy has been around there for a while. He was the head college scout and just a regular scout at one point. He's been promoted through the ranks but I'm not sure which regime he started under.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 6:58 PM
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He's Marion Campbell's kid..

FRom what I have heard.. he is more organizational and administrative than decision making.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 26, 2010 10:56 PM

That's my impression too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz..............

Posted by: edvar | January 27, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Just saw Kiper calling for Bradford with the #4 pick in his mock draft. I have been thinking about this for weeks, how would it really be for the "Redskins" to draft an American-Indian???????

Posted by: earlofduke | January 27, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

Posted by: CitizenSkoal | January 26, 2010 2:54 PM

yeah, I really want to risk a #4 pick on a guy who always had his arm strength questioned with a twice separated throwing shoulder. riiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttt

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 27, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Just saw Kiper calling for Bradford with the #4 pick in his mock draft. I have been thinking about this for weeks, how would it really be for the "Redskins" to draft an American-Indian???????

Posted by: earlofduke | January 27, 2010 12:50 AM


Just like I've said for the better part of a decade now: if all but 7 Native Americans don't give a sh*t, I'm not sure why anyone else does. I'd bet the house that Sam Bradford couldn't care less about the 'Redskins' monicker.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 5:19 AM | Report abuse

I keep hearing about the Skins and Sam Bradford...why? He has had at least one shoulder surgery..and has injured the shoulder twice. The Wizards signed Arenas to a big contract after a knee surgery..that didn`t work out well(forgetting the gun thing). Maybe more important is the fact that a rookie Qb..would get jut killed behind that O line. It will take up to 3 years with good drafting..to get a decent line in place. The team {{WILL NOT}} wait to use a player taken with the #4 pick. The abuse could easily ruin his career. You can always find hidden gems even at Qb. Example, Tony Romo was undrafted, and Brady was taken in the 6th round. All the top teams have very good O lines..this is where you begin the rebuilding process. Same thing holds true for a running back, without a good O line..
no back can be productive.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | January 27, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora
Bucs, Redskins looking at McCardell as WRs coach

Posted: January 26th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Keenan McCardell, Mike Shanahan, Richard Mann, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins

The Buccaneers and Redskins are considering Keenan McCardell for their receiver coaching vacancies, according to league sources.

McCardell, a longtime stalwart receiver, has had contact with both teams and likely will meet with them more during the Senior Bowl this week in Mobile, Ala.

McCardell, who spent time assisting the Giants during the 2009 preseason, has a strong reputation within the league, and his technique and preparation defined his 16-year NFL career. He originally was a 12th-round draft pick by the Redskins in 1991, but he became a star with the Jaguars (1996-2001) and later ended his career in Washington in 2007. He also played two seasons (2002-03) with the Bucs and spent time with the Browns (1992-95) and Chargers (2004-06).

The Redskins interviewed former Bucs receivers coach Richard Mann several weeks ago, but the job has remained vacant on new coach Mike Shanahan’s staff.

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McCardell has been getting high pub since last summer. I hope he gets a chance to help improve the play at WR for the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Of course, while everyone else is scouting prospective players, the Redskins are only searching the sidelines to add a few more coaches to the team.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 27, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

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