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Redskins, Shanahan might find wide receiver answers without fanfare

So the Denver Broncos traded star wide receiver Brandon Marshall to the Miami Dolphins for a second-round pick in next week's draft and another second-rounder in the 2011 draft. And then the Dolphins, according to ESPN, gave Marshall a $47.5 million contract extension that included $24 million in guaranteed money, the highest total for a wideout in league history.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan drafted Marshall when Shanahan ran the Broncos' football operation, and there was buzz around the league that Shanahan would attempt to trade for Marshall before the draft. But two second-round picks? The Redskins currently do not have a pick in Round 2, having sent it to Philadelphia in the trade for quarterback Donovan McNabb. And the Eagles also will receive a third- or fourth-round pick from the Redskins in next year's draft to complete the trade.

After the Redskins' experience with Albert Haynesworth -- whom they gave a then-record $41 million in guaranteed money last February -- I get the feeling they're not interested in setting new salary structures anytime soon. As for attempting to upgrade their receiving corps, however, the Redskins are believed to very interested in doing so.

They did express some interest in former Tampa Bay Buccaneers wideout Antonio Bryant, according to a person familiar with the situation. Bryant wound up signing with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Santana Moss is beginning his 10th season. His 12.9-yard average on 70 receptions was the lowest average of his career. Third-year wideouts Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly have shown flashes but still are unproven. In his rookie year, preseason standout Marko Mitchell received few opportunities during the regular season.

If the Redskins add draft picks from trading, oh, let's say, Haynesworth and quarterback Jason Campbell, they might also address their wideout situation. But as Shanahan is fond of saying, former Broncos standout wideout Rod Smith was an undrafted free agent, so the Redskins' next great receiver doesn't necessarily have to be a high-profile acquisition.

By Jason Reid  |  April 14, 2010; 3:23 PM ET
 
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Having jettisoned ARE, I think we're gonna be fine at WR this season. Just fine. Plenty of other areas of concern before you get to pass-catchers.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Mad Real World

only problem I ever had with the show was the musical guests at the end. Always wanted another skit there instead.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 14, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Get your fat a$$ outta here before I cut some bacon off your back"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

A great front office will not need to make a big splash in order to improve an area of it's team. This has not been a great front office.

Posted by: jfred99 | April 14, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I have it on good authority that AH92 and JC17 will be working out on their own this weekend... possibly on a high school field just south of Nashville, Tennessee.

Argument goes that regardless of what they feel about the organization, the coaching staff, offensive and defensive alignments and schemes, teammates, free agents, draft prospects, contract terms, and other spring training issues -- as highly paid professional atheletes, they recognize and accept that they must stay in shape.

Besides, JC17 figures that he'll get all the training he needs for the upcoming season just standing there looking clueless while AH92 repeatedly bulldozes him and slams him into the turf -- while AH92 figures he'll get all the training he needs at blitzing unblocked and unabated into the QB.

Clash of the Titans, indeed!

Posted by: Vic1 | April 14, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

lets see how DT/MK/MM do with a 'real' coach, and a 'real' offense....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 14, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Select the best offseason move (so far):

a. fins acquire B Marshall

b. jets acquire S Holmes

c. skins acquire McNabb

d. (I'm missing something, ain't I?, says the one-legged track star.)

Moe goes with the fins acquiring Marshall.

Yes, this is a skins' blog, but R Brown, B Marshall, D Bess, B Hartline, T Ginn, C Henne will all be dolphins longer than D McNabb will be a redskin.

And McNabb's success is tied to whatever the skins decide to do with their offensive line--a work inprogress, thank you.

The AFC East is on the rise.

Good thing we play the AFC South, this go 'round.

Or is it?: A Johnson, O Daniels, M Schaub, P Manning, R Wayne, D Clark, V Young, C Johnson, MJ Drew....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, two pretty good options at TE...

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

moe, Ginn might not make it past this next weekend as a dolphin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 14, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

can another team please sign T.O. so he's not an option later for us?

Posted by: pgugino | April 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"...let's see how DT/MK/MM do with a 'real' coach, and a 'real' offense...."

Still, we have only four know receivers on the roster.

I like both Jordan Shipley and D Thomas--GaTech as add-ons, but you could use F Davis as a receiver, and thus carry another player at some other spot on the roster.

For example, if we do indeed part ways with Prince Al, I'd carry an additional defensive tackle, particulary as Kemo hasn't fully recovered.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, Redskins have finally addressed the left side of the equation by picking up a QB who actually knows how to connect with a receiver -- in bounds and on the fly. Now if they can teach the receivers to catch the ball and run with it -- and maybe even do a little blocking for each other down field -- it'll be time to roll out the bandwagon. Hail!

Posted by: Vic1 | April 14, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

With the Fins getting Marshall, maybe we can finagle a trade for Ted Ginn Jr?

...oh, wait a minute. You need your WRs to be able to catch the ball.

Never mind.

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

with Rock and ARE gone... who is going to be our return guys? Will we get past the 22 yrd line on kick returns and more than just some dancing around on punt returns?

Posted by: Dorf | April 14, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

WR? Two words ... Trindon Holliday.

Now you see him, now you don't (because you were looking straight ahead instead of down). My understanding is that he excels in the "underneath" routes.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

*Cut-n-paste breaking news from ESPN
*Recycle baseless rumor about Shanny wanting Marshall
*Arbitrary irrelevant paragraph about AH
*Non-news about our WRs
*Arbitrarily recycle AH trade rumor
*End off with more non-news about WRs

Sadly, this is a typical JReid post.

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

*End off with more non-news about WRs

Sadly, this is a typical JReid post.

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2010 3:50 PM

You're right. Now, think about it this way: No news is good news!

Wiz blog -- great.

Caps blog -- great.

'Skins blog -- sux.

Nats blog -- who knows? Is there a Nats blog?

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"...Ginn might not make it past this next weekend as a dolphin...."

Wow--another 1st rounder bits the dust!

But ya gotta check out C Henne on replay.

The guy is more accurate than Cutler, has a stronger arm than Orton, and B Marshall might go sick with stats because of it.

The dolphins suddenly have an offense that compares rather favorably--albeit on paper--with the ones in NE nad NY.

And now with Marshall, they'll draft R McClain or D Cody and some other defenders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

the wr's and te's are fine on the skins... last time i checked cooley has gone to a pro bowl or 2... santana has also gone to a pro bowl... and the kids (kelly, thomas, davis, and marko) are alright too!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are OK at WR for the next year of so. Moss is getting up there, but DT11 can play at this level and MK12 might be able to as well. Marko looks like he has a legit chance to play at this level. We should be able to field at least 2 capable WRs from that group of 4, maybe 3.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for another worthless post.

Posted by: BugEyes | April 14, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I'm concerned about is the offensive line. F*cking fix it!

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 14, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

with Rock and ARE gone... who is going to be our return guys?

Posted by: Dorf | April 14, 2010 3:37 PM

My F5 is not resetting this place, but if no one has answered, its Devin Thomas on kicks and Phillip Buchanon on punts.

... enter Trindon Holliday ...


Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

****BREAKING NEWS****

Sources confirm that if the Redskins don't draft a receiver, they MIGHT sign an undrafted receiver.

Posted by: BugEyes | April 14, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Nothing new really but will save JReid the time and trouble to copy and paste so he can beat the rush to McDonalds.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817854e4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not attend this weekend's voluntary minicamp, a league source said Wednesday.

Haynesworth, who remains hopeful of a trade after just one season in Washington, will only attend mandatory offseason activities.

League sources remain convinced that the Redskins will try to move Haynesworth -- who's balking at playing nose tackle in the team's new 3-4 scheme -- before next week's draft despite picking up a $21 million bonus at the start of the month.

New Redskins coach Mike Shanahan would like to reshape the locker room and eradicate potential issues and distractions. The Tennessee Titans, Haynesworth's former team, and the Detroit Lions, coached by former Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, remain interested in Haynesworth, according to league sources.

The Redskins sought a third-round draft pick when they shopped Haynesworth before picking up the option, according to a league source, at a time when another team would have had to pay him the bonus. Now, with Haynesworth's remaining salary more manageable, the Redskins hope to receive a second-round pick for him.

The Titans don't have a second-round pick in 2010, and the Lions' second-round pick is very high, which could complicate things, but the potential for a deal is still there.

Redskins sources also wouldn't be surprised if the team shopped safety LaRon Landry and defensive end Andre Carter before the draft, looking to add picks to their limited 2010 selections (they lack second- and third-round picks). The Redskins also are allowing quarterback Jason Campbell to pursue a trade, although receiving more than a fifth-round pick for him could be difficult after the team acquired Donovan McNabb from the Philadelphia Eagles earlier this month.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 14, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Regarding undrafted WRs that might improve the receiving corps, my alma mater Colgate has a guy that might fit the profile:
http://blogs.colgate.edu/2010/01/simonds-10-looks-to-catch-nfl.html

Posted by: manlius1 | April 14, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato in a terrible 1994 movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scJsSLtYCe8.

If his drafting was as good as his "acting," then we might have been able to go 6-10 last year.

Lolz, fail

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 14, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm still laughing...

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 14, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

But ya gotta check out C Henne on replay.

The guy is more accurate than Cutler, has a stronger arm than Orton, and B Marshall might go sick with stats because of it.

The dolphins suddenly have an offense that compares rather favorably--albeit on paper--with the ones in NE nad NY.

And now with Marshall, they'll draft R McClain or D Cody and some other defenders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse


The Fins had something going there at the end of the season when they lost R.Brown and had to move away from leaning on the Wildcat.

Henne showed that when they let him dropback he can run that offense straight up.

Of course, now that there's some game film on henne it will be interesting to see how he responds this year, whether the Fins continue to lean on the Wildcat, or whatever.

Either way, they finally got the weapon and WR that they'd hoped Ginn would be.

AFC East is butch...sux to be Buffalo. Funny thing is these rumors about JC17 ending up there. Can't see him faring any better in the AFC East against that competition.

Posted by: p1funk | April 14, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that is a lot of money for Marshall! He isn't worth 2 second round picks and a new mortgage.
Do not trade Haynesworth for anything less than a mid to high 1st rounder, because you'd have to replace him. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, Haynesworth will be playing for us - at a high level - next year, and our D will be dominant as ever.

Posted by: BT23 | April 14, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"We should be able to field at least 2 capable WRs from that group of 4, maybe 3."


I like the idea of carrying five.

It's a passing league, and you need 5 guys with different skills, speed, and abilities to play wr.

Plus, until they amass numbers, Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell, and Davis are complete unknowns.

We might luck into an unknown kid who outshines them all: P Garcon and M Austin already have.

Moss and Cooley, for example, are known players as they have pro bowls, stats, and the catches to prove it.

So if you are a defense, you scheme to take them away, and force the Class of '08 to make plays.

Can they?: we'll see for sure this Fall.

It's safe to say that one of our young'ns will have a breakout season: Thomas or Davis are my picks.

I'm not sold on Kelly and I like Mitchell.

I'd love to see J Shipley in burgandy and gold.

If you convert F Davis into a big 5th receiver, it opens a spot on the roster for another player, the special teamer, versitile guy who plays some offense, too.

Again, J Shipley would be excellent for such a role.

But who wants to draft a wide receiver?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

But ya gotta check out C Henne on replay.

The guy is more accurate than Cutler, has a stronger arm than Orton, and B Marshall might go sick with stats because of it.

The dolphins suddenly have an offense that compares rather favorably--albeit on paper--with the ones in NE nad NY.

And now with Marshall, they'll draft R McClain or D Cody and some other defenders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Spoken like a true Dolphins fan..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 14, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I second that emotion! F-cking FIX IT! PLEASE!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | April 14, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

2nd round pick, forget it.

How many 2nd rounders become all pro?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 14, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Reid's analysis is a lot like meteorology:
"The Redskins chances are slightly crappy with a chance for scattered free agents" = "Slightly cloudy with a chance for scattered showers" = 90% of days on the East Coast

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 14, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

skinsfanintampa

"Spoken like a true Dolphins fan...."


I watch the entire league, buddy.

That way I don't sound ignorant when I want to discuss something.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Please get Marko Mitchell the ball! The Man is going to be a good reciever in this league! It might as well be with the Redskins!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | April 14, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This just in...

The Redskins may or may or may not attempt to trade Alert Haynesworth

Posted by: BugEyes | April 14, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This just in...

The Redskins may or may not attempt to trade Alert Haynesworth

Posted by: BugEyes | April 14, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

5th-6th-7th rounds ... WR is as good as anything (as long as he can return punts or kicks). Mostly special teams guys down there ... linebackers, safeties, tight ends ... we need more tight ends, right? How about another kicker?

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I watch the entire league, buddy.

That way I don't sound ignorant when I want to discuss something.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:21 PM

Too much work. I just read PFT and I always sound intelligent when I want to discuss something. At least, as long as I don't read those BeantownGreg posts.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

skinsfanintampa

"Spoken like a true Dolphins fan...."

I watch the entire league, buddy.

That way I don't sound ignorant when I want to discuss something.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

As do I, but your way off on Henne. Why do you think they run the wildcat? Hopefully Ronnie Brown can find Marshall open downfield.


"But ya gotta check out C Henne on replay.

The guy is more accurate than Cutler, has a stronger arm than Orton, and B Marshall might go sick with stats because of it"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 14, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Too much work."


Studying what you love isn't work.

Work is having to do what you don't want to.

I absorb NFL Access and skim various team pages from time to time.

I operate like a bored husband at the bar: I know I'm committed, but damn, I like to look and see what else is happening out there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy Miami. They have a gimmicky offense that seems good enough to operate against average or below defenses, but doesn't scare any of the playoff caliber ones.

It would be something else if their own defense was Pittsburgh/Baltimore-esque and all they needed was a moderate offense, but as of now, it's not.

Miami is the case of a middling team that's good enough to win 10, maybe 11 games, but is far from contending for a title.

They remind me of Jacksonville circa the mid-2000s, or the Jets when Pennington was at the helm. Certain playoff contenders, but they'll crumble against the big boys.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the defense is the scheme not the personnel yet with changing the scheme we are getting rid of the best personnel.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 14, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Marko gets some run finally.

Vinnie was so afraid Leaky would get shown up by the 7th rounder that he had him velcro'd to the bench. If you check their physical stats, Kelly has 10 lbs. on Marko but they are otherwise identical except Marko catches better and runs routes better but gets less chances.

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 14, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Why do you think they run the wildcat? Hopefully Ronnie Brown can find Marshall open downfield."


They ran the wildcat while C Pennington was the starter, not C Henne.

I think Marshall's signing signals the end of the wildcat experimant Dade County.

"I study the league so when I want to discuss something, I don't sound ignorant."

---mistamoe

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

So... they're going to possibly trade away one of the only stud players they have on the defensive line so they can take another WR this year? That makes a heap of sense Mr. Reid!

Posted by: dfbovey | April 14, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Please play Marko Mitchell. One of the many downfalls of the Zorn era was his refusal to give rookies reps during the regular season. All the while guys like Chris Horton and Brian Orakpo were lighting up the NFL in their first year.

Marko Mitchell should have gotten a lot more playing time especially when the season was a lost cause. I don't know what Zorn has against rookies, maybe it has something to do with his playing days but whatever it was it's over now.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 14, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"The problem with the defense is the scheme not the personnel yet with changing the scheme we are getting rid of the best personnel.

Posted by: bangkokben"

The thing about defenses is that, IMO, it's much more chemistry-oriented than talent-oriented (at least, moreso than offense).

Remember when GG first took over? We lost talents like Champ Bailey and Jeremiah Trotter (and even Arrington), but the defense was twice as good under a different scheme.

Of course you always want the talents, but sometimes the system >> the individual.

Posted by: psps23 | April 14, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

iH8jimzorn

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 14, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I love it how people say "look at the video, he's really good". Henne had a lights out game vs the Jets. He also had a 75 QB rating, nowhere close to Orton. He also had 3 games with a rating below 50 -- vs Saints, Buffalo and San Diego.

As for the wildcat in Miami -- its real and it is good -- mostly because they have invested in it to the point its not a gimmick. They know how to use it.

For most other teams, the wildcat is still a gimmick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think they run the wildcat? Hopefully Ronnie Brown can find Marshall open downfield."

They ran the wildcat while C Pennington was the starter, not C Henne.

I think Marshall's signing signals the end of the wildcat experimant Dade County.

"I study the league so when I want to discuss something, I don't sound ignorant."

---mistamoe

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

To his credit, Henne did throw 12 TD's through 13 games last year.. but also had 14 picks.. he was also sacked 26 times in those 13 games..

Come to think of it, I know a QB that may just be the perfect fit down there in Dade County.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 14, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Brin on Burress or Owens.

Posted by: 50midgets | April 14, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Everyone makes my world better. Jim Zorn made it better when he left the Redskins

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Nats blog -- who knows? Is there a Nats blog?

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

For a while, there was a Nats Fail blog.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/07/nationals_concert_fail.html

I know Mr. Mayor is using the blog to ensure he's got text ready for the Post when it's article time, but if I have to hear that Kelly and Thomas are unproven but have shown flashes, I'll barf.

:^P

Too late. ASCI art invades the 'hood!

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

the wr's and te's are fine on the skins... last time i checked cooley has gone to a pro bowl or 2... santana has also gone to a pro bowl... and the kids (kelly, thomas, davis, and marko) are alright too!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Who are you, Vinny Cerrato's Mom? We have possibly the worst WR corps in the NFL. Outside Santana, who is entering year 10, it's a joke.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Reuben was pretty good, by the way, but not terrific. The corned beef was delicious flavor-wise but wasn't melt-in-your-mouth falling-apart juicy the way it oughta be... was a little on the tough/chewy side. Very odd.

Anyhoo... it's still about the O line. I get the impression a lot of peeps think the front office is waiting for the draft and the inevitable later-in-the-offseason veteran cuts, and that we should trust them to get it done. But I remain nervous, because from where I'm sitting we have two or three holes to fill on the line, LT, RT and maybe RG. Taking care of any ONE of those is a big deal, but taking care of all three? Yeesh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will show that neither Moss, Thomas, Kelly, nor Mitchell were to blame for the weak passing offense last year. Those four coupled with tight ends Cooley and Davis will make McNabb forget Philly in a hurry.

Posted by: tkoho | April 14, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

We're going to trade, prob MK12...and maybe Sleepy...for picks....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Who are you, Vinny Cerrato's Mom? We have possibly the worst WR corps in the NFL. Outside Santana, who is entering year 10, it's a joke.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 14, 2010 5:07 PM

Our receivers are trump tight....WTF are you talkin bout?

There will some mixing up either way....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

moss had 70 catches? How'd that happen with the 10th most accurate/inaccurate QB?

If tenn gives us the supplemental 3rd they got for hayney, to us, for hayney, I'm going to laugh and cry

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

tkoho, will mcNabb show that the WRs were not to blame by getting the cra p knocked out of him or by throwing a bunch of TDs?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

... and I always sound intelligent when I want to discuss something. ...

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 4:26 PM

I think the appropriate response up here would be "whateves"

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

kaliha87, how do you know marko runs routes better and catches better than Kelly?

I'm curious, were you at practice, or are you just "talking out the side of your neck"?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with anthing that Florio says here about Campbell ... and my level of enthusiasm about the need to get something done is just about the same too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/14/pftv-looks-at-the-future-of-jason-campbell/

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

pab, just hold up right there. You know as well as anybody that Marko Mitchell is a Pre-season All-Star. If only he'd been given a chance, if only the coaching staff and front office hadn't held him back, the world would now know what we Redskin fans know, that he's a great, great wide receiver in this league.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"We're going to trade, prob MK12...and maybe Sleepy...for picks...."

They are not proven players, so who'd want them?

Who makes trades based on woulda, coulda, shoulda now that Cerrato has morphed into a draft guru who talks poo?


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Four WRs are probably fine... The Skins also have TEs Cooley and Davis as slot receivers.

Posted by: siris | April 14, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

skinsfanintampa

"To his credit, Henne did throw 12 TD's through 13 games last year.. but also had 14 picks.. he was also sacked 26 times in those 13 games...."

He's also a second year player.

He sat all of his rookie season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Nate, my bad I forgot if only the marko colt connection was allowed to happen, we'd be amidst the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.

Its amazing how these players can slip through the fingers of... Well... Everyone and waste away on the sidelines.

Marko/Colt 2012

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Who makes trades based on woulda, coulda, shoulda now that Cerrato has morphed into a draft guru who talks poo?


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 5:48 PM

Seattle. Charlie Whitehurst.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with anthing that Florio says here about Campbell ... and my level of enthusiasm about the need to get something done is just about the same too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/14/pftv-looks-at-the-future-of-jason-campbell/

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 5:40 PM

See? It can work for anyone, sween: Channel Florio, seem intelligent!

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty impressed by Mitchell. He has the skill to be a pretty good possession receiver for the Skins + he blocked well down field in the preseason.

I think spent last year working on improving his play on the special teams units and that's why he didn't see the field as much as say Devin Thomas.

Posted by: siris | April 14, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Our receiving corps is going to do just fine now that they have a real QB instead of Captain Checkdown.

Loved that Malcolm Kelly said McNabb threw a great ball and was accurate. And that "it would be different." Guess who cut off the end of that quote? That's right, J Reid did. Didn't like the idea of receivers slamming his mancrush Jason Campbell.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | April 14, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

(With that said, though, pab, I'm completely happy with Marko as our #4 WR going into this season. I think we're totally fine at WR. I'm worried about the O line's ability to give Donovan enough time to throw to the WRs, but I'm not worried about Donovan or about the WRs themselves.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Heres the plan:

Try to Get rid of your most dominant player/ change the scheme to make least use of his talent

Get a 1 year stop gap QB

Cut a bunch of guys, sign a few guys

Ok

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Did'ya notice how when Miami trades for Marshall there is an immediate contract extension and when the skins trade for mcNabb, no extension?

We r showing parcells a thing or Two about how to do it!!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"We're going to trade, prob MK12...and maybe Sleepy...for picks...."

They are not proven players, so who'd want them?

Who makes trades based on woulda, coulda, shoulda now that Cerrato has morphed into a draft guru who talks poo?


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 5:48 PM

Thay are youth with great potential. MK12 began to prove his worth.

And Sleepy did prove his worth.

Sleepy - 3rd
MK12 - Late 3rd/4th

CR22 is still on the table to me if we can get a 2nd/maybe 3rd.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Did'ya notice how when Miami trades for Marshall there is an immediate contract extension and when the skins trade for mcNabb, no extension?

We r showing parcells a thing or Two about how to do it!!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 6:10 PM

League rules prevent McNabb getting an extension until June 2010.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Crap on a stick... Why not find more flaws for us paranoid skins-o-fanatics to worry about. Ok, gald you ask... might I throw out that the linebackers don't fit the system? or that the o-line has more holes than a swiss cheese factory with a rat problem? Or here's new one, with both cooley and sleepy on the roster how will they both be kept happy w/ playing time or catches? How is the RB rotation going to work? Did los's hand replacement surgery work?

Posted by: Burrasta1 | April 14, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I agree marko has tons of potential, its just funny how many people think the #4 or 5 guy on the depth chart is better than 1,2,3????

Even terrible coaches are going to put the best players on the field.

I like our Corp now, I have supported 11,12,86 from day 1. I wasn't expecting any WR to be successful on this team especially year one of their career on a team with a rookie head coach and a new offense

Those guys came around while many fans were dogging them. Normally the passing game is the last thing to come together.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised to see Fred Davis becoming the next Shannon Sharpe. He's faster than Cooley and blocks as poorly.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 14, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

MK12 - Late 3rd/4th

CR22 is still on the table to me if we can get a 2nd/maybe 3rd.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 14, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow...I love your enthusiasm, but I think you're way off here. Kelly was off like half the leagues draft board's due to his knees, and has done nothing in 2 seasons to prove he's worth a 3/4 in this very deep draft. And NFL GMs are clearly not high on CR22's game either.

I don't think you'd get a 2/3 for #22 or a 3/4 for #12 even if Oakland hired Vinny and gave him complete autonomy over FB decisions.

I think a 6 for either would be about right.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 14, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

By the way, my opinion has never changed on "WR-TE-WR." That had nothing to do with them as individuals but with the draft "strategy" that brought them to the Skins.

I will always believe that Vinny believed we were "one big pass-catcher away" from going deeper into the playoffs, and that's why he picked those three dudes, hoping one of them would emerge as that last piece of the puzzle. Even though Gibbs and Grilliams had left and Zorn had been hired-'n-promoted by then.

Happy to see these guys continue to blossom this season, as I expect they will flourish with McNabb. Assuming the O line is competent in pass blocking.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, Haynesworth will be playing for us - at a high level - next year, and our D will be dominant as ever.

Posted by: BT23

don't worry BT23..Haney will be with us. JReid and those d!ck-heads at the Post don't have any say in what the Skins do. They just want to start sh!t

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The receiving corps should be fine with Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Cooley, and Davis. They actually need kind of a Wes Welker type and I could see Moss in that role - same size, same quickness. Let Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell work outside.

Posted by: AsstGM | April 14, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"Don't be surprised to see Fred Davis becoming the next Shannon Sharpe. He's faster than Cooley and blocks as poorly."


The Madden GM stops scribbling X's and O's to point out for the scheme-oriented the multiple advantages that come when a clever playcaller considers the ways F Davis can help an offense.

You can draw up a 4-wide, shotgun set with Moss (slot), Davis, Thomas, and Kelly/Mitchell getting ready to run routes our now very capable quarterback can make the accurate throws to.

Davis, in particular, can be in the slot, backfield, flexed wide, in motion, play flanker, play 'X,' and force all kinds of mismatches.

What team has a safety or linebacker who can run with a big fast tight end who moves around from play to play?

The Madden GM prefers to use Davis as a big wide receiver type opposite C Cooley to force a defense to decide what it wants to cover: speed or savvy route running.

One of the young'n receivers will have a breakout season.

The Madden GM's money is on Davis being that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This story is too good not to re-tell.

As is my evening ritual, I'm eating dinner with my family while watching "Pardon the Interruption" on ESPN. During the interview segment, TK and Wilbon are talking to Barry Melrose about the start of the NHL playoffs. The conversation turns to the Washington Capitals and my wife asks, "The Caps are in the playoffs?"

Without missing a beat--in her best Jim Mora voice--my 3 year-old daughter chimes in with, "Playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs?"

I rolled on the floor laughing my ass off.

If that doesn't get me a shot at 'Father of the Year', I don't know what will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 14, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

madden shmadden, cooley should be traded for mpicks in this years draft and go with a younger, faster TE in Davis. The meek inherit the earth, not the Super Bowl!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

good stuff brownwood.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Skins going to sign a DE>....

http://twitter.com/Russellmania09

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AsstGM | April 14, 2010 6:46 PM

They dont need a Wes Welker type, they need an Andre Johnson type. Shanahan's offense in Houston is fun to watch. The reality is that Andre Johnson makes that system work. I dont think you can plug in Santana or any of the receivers we currently have into his role in the offense and expect the same result. WR is not among the biggest needs of this team, but I definitely wouldnt call it an area of strength.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 14, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Haven't filled out your Census form yet?

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Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

If you're a weak team looking for a WR, next year is your year. There are four who could easily go in the top half of the first round. All are big and fast and glue-fingered.

There's AJ Green from Georgia, Michael Floyd from Notre Dame, Julio Jones of Bama, and Jonathan Baldwin of Pitt (he's 6'4", 225). Every one has the talent to be that number one receiver teams covet. None if particularly fragile and if they've got character problems, we haven't heard yet.

QB is another story. Jake Locker is 80% athlete and 20% quarterback. Andrew Luck of Stanford is big and very smart but doesn't like to stray from the pocket, which limits teams he can play for. Ryan Mallett of Arkansas is 6'7" and bazooka-armed but he's another of those spread offense types used to throwing from the shotgun. Overall it's not a stronger class than this year's -- just healthier. And that can change of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

After watching Davis closely...I think this guy can be real good.

Marko Mitchell is that receiver Shanahan is looking for. His best highlight was one where he was blocking...great sign!

What ya'll think?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyhoo... it's still about the O line. I get the impression a lot of peeps think the front office is waiting for the draft and the inevitable later-in-the-offseason veteran cuts, and that we should trust them to get it done. But I remain nervous, because from where I'm sitting we have two or three holes to fill on the line, LT, RT and maybe RG. Taking care of any ONE of those is a big deal, but taking care of all three? Yeesh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I really think we are good at RG with BMW. I'll jsut say I'm willing to be wrong... and I think he could do really well and serve as a road grader in front of the New Triplets.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 14, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"The guy is more accurate than Cutler, has a stronger arm than Orton, and B Marshall might go sick with stats because of it."

Sort of damned with faint praise, because Cutler's not that accurate and Orton doesn't have a very strong arm. If you'd said he's as accurate as Aikman or Montan and strong-armed like Elway I might have thought you had a point.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell is that receiver Shanahan is looking for. His best highlight was one where he was blocking...great sign!

What ya'll think?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:16 PM |

Marko Mitchell had four catches for 32 yards last season. That was in ten games. His best highlight was blocking? I guess so with only four catches.

I seriously doubt this guy is "the receiver Shanahan is looking for."

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

i cant believe there is not a post about how we resigned heyer and montgomery today, but we have to read j reid speculate on something he literally has no facts to back up with. and something that is not a crucial point of the redskins off season. lame.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 14, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

If Leigh Torrence had been a receiver he would have been Marko Mitchell.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Aloha, Kaneohe, and I'd like to believe it'll be BMW over on that side, as you and others have noted, but I guess I'm not sure.

The New Triplets, huh? How about "The Old Triplets"? At least until one or two of them are cut, anyway...

Here's to a resurgent run game, which is at the top of my list of expectations for 2010. Get the run game working so we don't have to depend on Donovan to do everything himself... a nice clock-eating, drive-sustaining Shanahanny run game.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell should have gotten a lot more playing time especially when the season was a lost cause. I don't know what Zorn has against rookies, maybe it has something to do with his playing days but whatever it was it's over now.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 14, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It had more to do with ARE's beetch slapping him in his office over PR duties... ARE added in "and dont give the kid my reps niether, beeyotch!"

Zorn meekly agreed.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 14, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

League-Source...I'd like to challenge you...

I'm not saying Marko Mitchell was Jerry Rice, but...

1) Zorn felt an obligation to play ARE...I watched every sanp and went to several games...Even Malcolm Kelly came out after every play.

2) Did Marko Mitchell even have a CHANCE to emerge with Vinny being clowned for drafting 3 WR's...

3) I put no stock into what Zorn saw last year.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 7:13 PM

I think Baldwin is ultimately going to be the stud out of that group. He is not the fastest, but he catches everything in the Larry Fitzgerald mold. Dont understand how Locker got anointed the next Elway when he hasnt done anything substantial. Assuming they get a qb next year, Ponder should be the choice.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 14, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Get the run game working...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 7:27 PM

Good plan. The line may not give McNabb enough time to find an open receiver but he will have enough time to hand the ball off, at least 85% of the time.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The receiving corps should be fine with Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Cooley, and Davis. They actually need kind of a Wes Welker type and I could see Moss in that role - same size, same quickness. Let Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell work outside.

Posted by: AsstGM |

you should be promoted to GM

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

QB & WR are loaded next year

look for 6-8 QBs to go in first 2 rounds

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

League-Source...I'd like to challenge you...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:28 PM

So our best receiver is the one that didn't play and now you're saying that he's the best BECAUSE he didn't play.

Maybe he is the best. But it's not because of anything he's shown yet on the field.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The thing is we really don't know much about our young pass catchers...I'm curious about what they can do in Shanahan's offense.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

NO!...that's not what I'm saying League...I'm saying he's still an unknown...and perhaps a commodity with a proven coach and a great QB!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Skins going to sign a DE>....

http://twitter.com/Russellmania09

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse
_________

Once again, we have to go to another source besides Redskins Insider to get insider info on the Redskins.....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious about what they can do in Shanahan's offense.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 7:37 PM |

Agreed. In his offense and with better coaching. It's like the team had been coached by a bunch of well-intentioned RI bloggers. "Come on, guys, you can do it if you believe in yourselves and you really try! Hip, hip, hooray!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

"The thing is we really don't know much about our young pass catchers...I'm curious about what they can do in Shanahan's offense."


That's where I am.

And as much as folks will howl about it, we would do well to bring in more receivers to test and compare against the ones we got.

Only Cooley and Moss are known players.


The other guys are shoulda, woulda, coulds, maybe, and might.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again, we have to go to another source besides Redskins Insider to get insider info on the Redskins.....

Posted by: skinsfan713

that's because JReid and friends are on the Outside looking In.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Skins going to sign a DE>....

http://twitter.com/Russellmania09

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 14, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse
________

Once again, we come to Redskins Insider because, between the blog posts and the assiduous efforts of the commenting community, it's the best clearinghouse around there for news and opinions about our beloved franchise.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 14, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Latest mock draft analysis almost 400 drafts

#1 - Bradford 64%, Clausen 19%, Suh 17%
#2 - Suh 54%, Okung 26%, G.McCoy 19%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 54%, Suh 27%, Berry 13%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 42%, Clausen 23%, Bradford 18%, Williams 4%, Bulaga 3%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 29%, Bulaga 24%, Okung 21%, Williams 5%, Davis 5%, Campbell 4%, McClain 3%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 14, 2010 7:41 PM

Do you understand that when you work for a reputable newspaper they require you to check your sources? You act is if they just acquired Atogwe or Jammal Brown. They picked up a guy who may never see the field. BTW I dont think ESPN has reported the signing yet either.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 14, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Great census post, Mista Dangermoe.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 14, 2010 7:54 PM

leevi98..thx for the link.

now we will see posting by JReid saying "as per sources close to the situation" Andre Carter will be traded...don't believe that Bullsh!t

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Nate I'm down with a Shanahanny Old Triplets run game eating 9 mins at a clip.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 14, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Assuming they get a qb next year, Ponder should be the choice.Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer"

Ponder is a good player -- maybe 4th round. Mobile and reasonably accurate. Average arm.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The "race" card...

You mean to tell me that Ben Roethlisberger admittedly nailed a near college kid in a bathroom after getting her hammered and has been allowed, so far, to rejoin the team!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 14, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the difference with McNabb and our WRs will be that he will throw the ball and let them try and make a play.

How many times last year did JC17 dump off or take a sack instead of throwing it down field?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung 70%
Eric Berry 9%
Dez Bryant 7%
Jimmy Clausen 6%
Trent Williams 5%
Bryan Bulaga 2%
Bruce Campbell 1%

Total Votes: 4,013

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Skins going to sign a DE>....

http://twitter.com/Russellmania09

+++++


Practice body...

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

"QB & WR are loaded next year. look for 6-8 QBs to go in first 2 rounds. Posted by: noonefromtampa"

Interesting. WR is definitely loaded, at least at the top. At QB there's Locker, Mallett and Luck. Somebody mentioned Ponder, but I'd be surprised if he went the first day. Who else are you thinking is worth a second rounder?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

smack1

"...census post..."

Feel free to use any of the responses I provided on your census form.

I'm willing to do whatever it takes to makes sure each and every American is accounted for.

That way, once we become a backward, paraniod, torture driven socialist nation, they'll know who to come looking for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the difference with McNabb and our WRs will be that he will throw the ball and let them try and make a play.

How many times last year did JC17 dump off or take a sack instead of throwing it down field?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:19 PM |

That was certainly something that has been completely absent from our offense the last couple of years. It really stood out when you watched other teams with good QB's and exciting offenses play.

They made plays.

Posted by: edvar | April 14, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"QB & WR are loaded next year. look for 6-8 QBs to go in first 2 rounds. Posted by: noonefromtampa"

Interesting. WR is definitely loaded, at least at the top. At QB there's Locker, Mallett and Luck. Somebody mentioned Ponder, but I'd be surprised if he went the first day. Who else are you thinking is worth a second rounder?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 8:20 PM
==========================================
Locker
Luck
Mallett
Pryor
Ponder
Foles
Devlin
Stanzi
Tolzien

Of course this depends on people coming out early and them having decent years in 2010.

But there is a decent chance that 8 of these guys may go in first 2 rounds. Also depends on NFL team needs.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN

Jerry Jones didn’t want to remind the world that his ego is out of control, but that’s what happened when the Web site deadspin.com published a video of the Cowboys’ owner cursing former coach Bill Parcells. “Bill’s not worth a [expletive],” Jerry rambled, perhaps after a night of enjoying his beloved Pepsis. That’s a pretty harsh take on a Hall of Fame coach who inherited a perennial 5-11 mess and left a playoff team when he left Valley Ranch. But when it comes to coach appreciation, Jerry set the bar at about his toenails when he divorced ex-college teammate Jimmy Johnson in the wake of the Cowboys’ back-to-back Super Bowl wins.

It seems as though Jerrah and Danny have been traveling different roads recently, one on the low road and the other on the high one.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. WR is definitely loaded, at least at the top. At QB there's Locker, Mallett and Luck. Somebody mentioned Ponder, but I'd be surprised if he went the first day. Who else are you thinking is worth a second rounder?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 8:20 PM |

Pat Devlin from Delaware State, a Penn State desertee might be worth a mention. Shanahan realized it wasn't worth an arm and a leg to get Bradford and looked at what 2011 had and decided to go with McNabb. He might want to be in on the Barkley action in 2012 but everyone wants a piece of that.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6F7me5Ad4

That's the Jerry video. BFD. Hey Roger Goodell, you miserable crusty stool sample. Have you heard there may not be football in 2011?

How about sorting that out before running around with the GD breathalyzer? FJKN idiot.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

... when he divorced ex-college teammate Jimmy Johnson in the wake of the Cowboys’ back-to-back Super Bowl wins.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 8:38 PM |

It's terrible how far the poor bastard has fallen - from winning two SBs to being a shill for dick enhancement products.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

There will be no strike or lock out

Obama will force federal mediation to avert a work stoppage.

Otherwise people will pay way too much attention to politics

and that would not be good for the Dems or Reps

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse


I think the difference with McNabb and our WRs will be that he will throw the ball and let them try and make a play.

How many times last year did JC17 dump off or take a sack instead of throwing it down field?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:19 PM |

That was certainly something that has been completely absent from our offense the last couple of years. It really stood out when you watched other teams with good QB's and exciting offenses play.

They made plays.

Posted by: edvar

JC dumped off enough times to have 20 tds and 15 ints, and be the 15th ranked QB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

How about sorting that out before running around with the GD breathalyzer? FJKN idiot.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 8:52 PM |

There isn't much of a need for sorting when each side is giving the other the finger. But don't hold your breath waiting for that to show up on a UToob vid.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

JC dumped off enough times to have 20 tds and 15 ints, and be the 15th ranked QB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 8:59 PM

And get demoted from his starting qb position.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

How many times last year did JC17 dump off or take a sack instead of throwing it down field?

Posted by: noonefromtampa

take a sack???? he was getting hammered in his second step from center, news flash OUR O LINE WAS ONE OF THE WORST IN THE NFL HISTORY, CAMPBELL WAS RANKED 15TH

HATERS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

JC dumped off enough times to have 20 tds and 15 ints, and be the 15th ranked QB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 8:59 PM |

Plus the dude lead his team to snagging the 4th overall draft pick. Hello Russell Okung.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

...CAMPBELL WAS RANKED 15TH

HATERS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:04 PM

And yet no teams showing any interest in signing him...

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

There will be no strike or lock out

Obama will force federal mediation to avert a work stoppage.

Otherwise people will pay way too much attention to politics

and that would not be good for the Dems or Reps

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 14, 2010 8:58 PM

Ha, fine with me. Let the Pres be the commish, and Goodell can go to the Supreme Court where his dumb white ass will balance out the wise latina.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

UR O LINE WAS ONE OF THE WORST IN THE NFL HISTORY, CAMPBELL WAS RANKED 15TH

HATERS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:04 PM

And where do you get your data to back up "ONE OF THE WORST IN NFL HISTORY"?

Campbell was sacked 43 times. The number 4 and 5 rated QBs, Aaron Rogers and Ben Rothlisberger, were both sacked 50 times.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

JC dumped off enough times to have 20 tds and 15 ints, and be the 15th ranked QB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 8:59 PM

And get demoted from his starting qb position.

Posted by: Skins930

No shame in losing your job to a hall of famer. your right our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

How about sorting that out before running around with the GD breathalyzer? FJKN idiot.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 8:52 PM |

There isn't much of a need for sorting when each side is giving the other the finger. But don't hold your breath waiting for that to show up on a UToob vid.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Huh? So when two sides reach a stalemate there is no need for diplomacy?

When you reach a chasm there's no need to build a bridge?

Your (probably) an idiot.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

UR O LINE WAS ONE OF THE WORST IN THE NFL HISTORY, CAMPBELL WAS RANKED 15TH

HATERS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:04 PM

And where do you get your data to back up "ONE OF THE WORST IN NFL HISTORY"?

Campbell was sacked 43 times. The number 4 and 5 rated QBs, Aaron Rogers and Ben Rothlisberger, were both sacked 50 times.

Posted by: League-Source

Campbell isn't as good as those guys, no problem admitting that, but he was better than 17 others

can you admit that, hater?

oh sorry, worst O line in the league, not in history

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

No shame in losing your job to a hall of famer. your right our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:11 PM

He lost his job before McNabb was signed. McNabb's signing leads to JC bounced from the Skins, but the writing was on the wall before DM5 was ever signed.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

No shame in losing your job to a hall of famer. your right our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:11 PM

And I never said that "our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST".

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

oh sorry, worst O line in the league, not in history

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:14 PM |

Wasn't even the worst in the league. Campbell was sacked 43 times. Rothlisberger, Rogers were each sacked 50 times. They had worse O Lines.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Well I did not know you could just back up the ole pick-up and drive off with one of these.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36494243#36494243

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

qb hits
JC 97, Ben 78, AR 93

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

the packers had 30 ints 10 fumble recoveries and 4 defensive TDs

steelers 12, 10, 3

skins 11, 6, 0

that's campbell's fault too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

No shame in losing your job to a hall of famer. your right our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:11 PM

And I never said that "our O LINE WAS THE GREATEST".

Posted by: Skins930

no you didn't your just HATING on campbell, cause your HATEFUL

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

that's campbell's fault too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:25 PM

Well, I might not understand what it means to be a hater, but I would classify you as one when you start blaming Campbell for the defense. Either that or you're just a run-of-the-mill nut job. Which is it?

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

no you didn't your just HATING on campbell, cause your HATEFUL

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:26 PM

How old are you? Because you sound awful young and very feminine.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:26 PM

How old are you? Because you sound awful young and very feminine.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 14, 2010 9:34 PM

I always thought that the 2003 indicated that she was born in 2003, sort of like Diesel 44 who was born in 1944. That would make her around 7.

But you couldn't have been born in 930. You might be a radio station?

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It's not Pabrian's "fault" he lives in Southern California.

That place will put anyone on edge, make anyone a little shifty, get them to actin' craaaaazy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Can't someone go over to Al Davis' house and whisper in his window, "Trade your first pick for Haynesworth and Campbell. You'd just draft some scrub anyway..." Maybe he'll think it's the ghost of Superbowls passed and trade the pick on draft day while yelling, "God bless you every one!" Man, it would be beautiful.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 14, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who is concerned about Nate's diet?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

no you didn't your just HATING on campbell, cause your HATEFUL

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:26 PM

How old are you? Because you sound awful young and very feminine.

Posted by: Skins930

old enough to remember a real O line AND young enough to know when I'm talking to a HATER.

old enough to not be insulted by your lame childish and sexist insults, more hate, to be expected

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Locker
Luck
Mallett
Pryor
Ponder
Foles
Devlin
Stanzi
Tolzien"

That's a good list, but if more than four went in the first two rounds, I'd be surprised. Of course we have a whole season to wait and see what happens.

Thing is, most years there's a considerable gap between QBs who go in the first round and everybody else. Maybe nobody goes in the second at all. Auction psychology has something to do with it. QBs gets 'overdrafted' in the first (above their natural ability) but then often fall victim to team disinterest. Like Colt Brennan did -- all the resume in the world but not picked until the sixth.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

It's not Pabrian's "fault" he lives in Southern California.

That place will put anyone on edge, make anyone a little shifty, get them to actin' craaaaazy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

no, that was my fault, I moved here

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

According to LaCanfora the odds are still very good that AH may be traded.

With the Redskins picking up that last $21 million chunk of his salary, his value has increased from a prospective 3rd to a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

catching up

I really think we are good at RG with BMW. I'll jsut say I'm willing to be wrong...

1, Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

I'm all for giving BMW a shot, but its pure speculation whether he can play at this level. He proved nothing last year, but I never expected much.


2. Wasn't even the worst in the league. Campbell was sacked 43 times. Rothlisberger, Rogers were each sacked 50 times. They had worse O Lines.

Posted by: League-Source

Worst OL in football? Yes. Bottom 5 in BOTH sacks and yards/carry. The ONLY team to pull off that double. Seattle and DET were the only other teams to be in the bottom 10 in both categories, but neither was bottom 5 in either sacks or yds/carry.

3. I put no stock into what Zorn saw last year.

Posted by: rickyroge

Does anyone?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 14, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

According to LaCanfora the odds are still very good that AH may be traded.

With the Redskins picking up that last $21 million chunk of his salary, his value has increased from a prospective 3rd to a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 9:45 PM

This dude LaCanfora is close to crack-head JReid...dont believe it..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

that's campbell's fault too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:25 PM

Well, I might not understand what it means to be a hater, but I would classify you as one when you start blaming Campbell for the defense. Either that or you're just a run-of-the-mill nut job. Which is it?

Posted by: League-Source

my point was big ben and rodgers got more help than JC did

hater is slang it's been around for decades, where have you been, it just means your negative for the sake of being negative

Campbell's one of the good guys, he's on a cruddy team with cruddy mgmt, and a cruddy line, had no luck, hardly any turnovers. Don't you agree?

so why, beat up on the guy even more? why?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

it would have been great to get marshall,2 sec rd pics is nothing for him.skins spent 3 sec rd pics on diva thomas,sleepy davis,and ouch kelly,3 future nobodies.if they had gotten marshall and some line men,jc would have be an all star.

Posted by: DLESMonday | April 14, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell was sacked 43 times. The number 4 and 5 rated QBs, Aaron Rogers and Ben Rothlisberger, were both sacked 50 times.Posted by: League-Source"

yes, there's no causal relationship between taking a lot of sacks and losing a lot of games because of your offense. With Roethlisberger, he has a tendency to hold the ball too long in hopes that somebody will come open. He's big enough and strong enough that he sometimes gets away with it. Rodgers is just a gambler -- I couldn't believe some of those throws he made in the playoffs. Should have been intercepted.

Jason appears to be overcautious. That's not a bad trait in a QB -- better than the opposite, I would guess. But apparently not Shanahan's type.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 14, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who is concerned about Nate's diet?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 9:41 PM

Speaking of which, do we have any early returns on the new KFC "Double Down" (bacon and cheese between two chicken patties)? I'm was thinking about rushing out to the KFC now and wondering how high above the speed limit I should be driving.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Big Ben get sacked. The only guy I enjoy seeing getting sacked more is Eli Manning.

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

the new KFC "Double Down"...

Posted by: dcsween | April 14, 2010 9:55 PM

I'm thinking that if Popeye's was serving it, then it might be worth the trip -- even a long trip (my local Popeye's closed). But I've never gotten good food at KFC since the Colonel died. I think the took the secret ingredients with him.

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I would add tony romo to that list.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian,

You asked why?

JC is Prometheus -- and who is Prometheus?

In Greek mythology, Prometheus is a Titan who stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mortals.

Prometheus, in eternal punishment, is chained to a rock in the Caucasus, where his liver is eaten out daily by an eagle, only to be regenerated by night, only to then be plucked at again the next day.

Countless years later, the Greek hero Heracles would shoot the eagle and free Prometheus from his chains.

Trading Jason Campbell would be the equivalent of shooting that eagle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

if big ben , rodgers, or anyone else can win with Zorn as their head coach, your arguement will hold some water

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

I would advise against both the KFC Double Down and anything other than sensible driving.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

wow chia wow, heavy

who is he if he gets traded to the raiders?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Big Ben get sacked. The only guy I enjoy seeing getting sacked more is Eli Manning.

Posted by: dcsween

i like the look on Eli's face after he's sacked...priceless

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The only healthy part of a Reuben is the sauerkraut.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that after going through a number of blogs from teams that have been linked as potential trade partners for Haynesworth, it seems unanimous that the majority of fans (who incidentally act like they also are football experts but truly don't know a dang thing that's REALLY going on behind the scenes) do not want him on their teams.
The rationales range from not wanting to give up the picks it would take for the Skins to give him up to his perceived poor work ethic/bad & selfish attitude.
He must certainly know he and his agent have done a piss poor PR job and that he will NEVER make the HOF like he's stated is his goal at the rate he's going.
Best thing for him to do is to come back to the Skins this year in absolute top shape and just play like a possessed beast. This might refocus people's (and GMs/coaches) attention to how good and valuable is. That would give him options going forward. If he's still unhappy playing for the Skins' D, then he would potentially have a number of high quality teams to choose from.
It would be great to see him play this year with a chip on his shoulder and ready to prove his worth to the NFL again.
If he doesn't, his NFL career will just dwindle away and he'll always be known as another guy that never lived up to his potential and the only way he'll get in the HOF is by buying a ticket to view the real pros just like the rest of the general public.

At least he'll be rich for a while (depending on who he is relying on for financial advice/management).

Here's to hoping for a great year!!

HTTR

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 14, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

chia, that reminded me of when dennis miller was doing MNF

lq

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:10 PM


Atlas

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 14, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded to the Raiders, he's just dead meat.

JC earned my respect.

I hope, for his sake, this is not his final resting place.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Now, think about it this way: No news is good news!

Wiz blog -- great.

Caps blog -- great.

'Skins blog -- sux.

Nats blog -- who knows? Is there a Nats blog?

Posted by: League-Source | April 14, 2010 3:55 PM

You do know where to send your resume, right?

The RI blog is and will always sux, but you could surely help the wiz and caps blog reach their potential..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 14, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 10:11 PM |

jcn = jason campbell's nutsack

Heh, heh.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:04 PM |

Dude - you saw Clash of the Titans! Did you spend the extra $$$ to C it in 3D?

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth missed 4 games and still played more snaps than any other Redskins D lineman besides Carter.

I didn't want, but I came to enjoy his on-field contributions and got a kick out of his "I'm so tired I need to be carted off" episodes.

we've paid him the bulky part of his contract.

MAKE IT WORK SHANNAHALLEN

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

No I haven't seen a movie since Ghostbusters, and before that Black Beauty.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Huh? So when two sides reach a stalemate there is no need for diplomacy?

When you reach a chasm there's no need to build a bridge?

Your (probably) an idiot.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 14, 2010 9:14 PM

They're fighting over coin for Crissakes.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

i like the look on Eli's face after he's sacked...priceless

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 10:11 PM |

He always looks like he's about to cry.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The stats sited in this post could be attributed to poor offensive line play. I mean, 5 and 7 step drops were eliminated half way through the season. McCardell and Moss will get DT and MK and MM to come along - there's enough there with Davis and Cooley (anyone ever see Yoder drop a pass?) to get a passing game going.

We still need a LT, a back up LT, a back up Center, and a RT.

We can't draft a RT at #37, because we gave that pick (basically a late 1st) to the Philadelphia Eagles . . . which I suppose isn't as bad as burning it on Tebow but it's still mystifying and lame

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 14, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you about AH, pabrian.

It behooves Shanny and Allen to get all the horsepower out of the big fella they can.

but we're also in need of picks, and getting a 2nd rounder for a disgruntled player is not an idea without merit, especially if we net a good prospect for our OL.

and 4th is dreaming if he truly thinks we can get a 2nd rounder for CR22.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

comp% career

Campbell 61.2
mcNabb 59.0

accuracy issue solved

next effort the turnover problem

get rid of haynesworth

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Too many needs...OL help, please!

Still love Jared Gaither (inspite of his 'half-baked work ethic). My dream scenario is to swap 4th and 25th picks - get a pick(s) back in the process and take another OL with that pick.
Another OT I really like is Jared Velheer in the 2nd or 3rd.

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 14, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth missed 4 games and still played more snaps ...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:27 PM |

Played more snaps?

You're making it sound like the dude was in The Addams Family chorus.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

99.9% of picks don't turn into

haynesworthses

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

You need to look at wins and losses in comparing Campbell to McNabb, not at completion %.

These stats point to one being a bonafide NFL QB, the other... prolly not so much.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

compare Campbell's 5th year to McNabb's 5th

statistically

Campbell's better

oh god

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

no. wins are a team stat or even a franchise stat

otherwise, guys like sonny and archie would never get into the hof

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

You need to look at wins and losses in comparing Campbell to McNabb, not at completion %.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 14, 2010 10:40 PM |

Or why not just cue the vid tape of both 2009 Skins/Eagles games? Head-to-head. The problem in 2010 is the Skins won't have Jackson and the Eagles won't have Rogers.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Yay still another JC debate!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ItsaFact

see in football children every play starts with a "snap". a 'snap' is when the 'Center' hands the 'ball' to the 'quarterback"

that's enough for today

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 10:11 PM |

jcn = jason campbell's nutsack

Heh, heh.

Posted by: ItsaFact | April 14, 2010 10:21 PM

ItsaFact = I take sh!t and feast all crunchy turds

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 14, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Yay still another JC debate!

Posted by: scampbell1975

i've only got a week left

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

We should trade Cooley for a 2nd. Sorry, I love Captain Chaos as much as anyone but it's a business and we don't need two starting TEs, we need Tackles. Davis before Cooley if we can get a 2nd, but I doubt that. Watch for one or the other to New England for one of their three 2nd rounders.

Trade Campbell for what you can get. 5th minimum. 3rd dream scenario.

Trade Landry for nothing less than a 3rd. We have still have Doughty, Kareem Moore and the predator.

Haynesworth for nothing less than a 1st. We've paid too much salary to accept anything less.

4th pick for a first and a player, or a first a high second. Or 4th and player (see above), for something crazy I can't comprehend.

Bottomline, we have a TON of options to gain picks and players ahead of draft day and I can't wait to see what happens. My preference is trade down from 4, trade one of our TE's, Trade Campbell, keep Haynesworth and Landry. Get two Tackles and a LB then BA, BA, BA til the cows come home.

Whatever happens we've got to be the most active team during the draft.

Fa sheezy!

Hail.

B

Posted by: brianearman | April 14, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

or cue up the '08 games when we swept the iggles

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Yay still another JC debate!

Posted by: scampbell1975

i've only got a week left

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:51 PM

Well then let's save you some time. Ready? Here we go:

RI poster #1: Jason Campbell sucks

RI poster #2: No he doesn't

RI poster #1: Yes he does. Stats, stats, stats.

RI poster #2: No he doesn't. Other stats, stats, stats.

Yes he does. No he doesn't. Yes he does. No he doesnt. Ad Nauseum.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't thin teams will be lining up to clean up our mess

i wouldn't be surprised if they traded 17, 92, 26, 30, 47, or anyone else, but i don't think we'll have a ton of options

it's a deep draft everyone WANTS PIX

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975

let me save you some time

all of it-ad nauseum

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes he does.

Posted by: just-the-facts | April 14, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975

let me save you some time

all of it-ad nauseum

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:00 PM

So we're good? We're finished? Can I go now?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

you can go, but I'm guessing you won't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Never argue with an idiot...they wear you down and beat you with experience..

The only opinion an idoit understands and values is their own..

Facts will never change an idiots perception of reality..

Insert additional cliches..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 14, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

you can go, but I'm guessing you won't

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:04 PM |

Well, just for the evening anyway. Peace and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

our best chance at success is a strike year in 2011

we're 1 for 1 in strike years

strike, strike, strike, strike

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Never argue with an idiot...they wear you down and beat you with experience..

The only opinion an idoit understands and values is their own..

Facts will never change an idiots perception of reality..

Insert additional cliches..

Posted by: Diesel

??? then what are we doing up here

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 14, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't thin teams will be lining up to clean up our mess

i wouldn't be surprised if they traded 17, 92, 26, 30, 47, or anyone else, but i don't think we'll have a ton of options

it's a deep draft everyone WANTS PIX

Posted by: pabrian2003

***********

I think you're guilty of thinking there is some conspiracy against us. All we have to do is make trades which make sense to the other team.

Cooley to NE for one of their three 2nd round picks? It's a no brainer for either team.

Haynesworth and Campbell to TEN for their first? Makes a lot of sense to me given what's happend to TEN after Haynesworth left and their troubles at QB.

Trading down from 4 for additional picks when two of these: Suh, or McCoy, or Bradford, or Okung, or Berry will be there? Can't say it's out of the realm of possibility for any team.

The point isn't "teams" lining up to clean up our mess. They aren't meeting together in some secret cloak room ruminating on why these scenarios would be too inordinately good for Washington. There is just a team, thinking about what is good for it. And there's us, with a lot on the table.

Obviously not all of that, or even any of that, is going to happen. I don't expect our decade's worth of mess to be cleaned up in a night. But I do smell what the Shannaallen is cooking, and it smells delicious. We're going to be active, and I bet we come out with at least three picks in the first two rounds.

Posted by: brianearman | April 14, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

MARKO MITCHELL comes immediately to my mind.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 14, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Can't someone go over to Al Davis' house and whisper in his window, "Trade your first pick for Haynesworth and Campbell. You'd just draft some scrub anyway..." Maybe he'll think it's the ghost of Superbowls passed and trade the pick on draft day while yelling, "God bless you every one!" Man, it would be beautiful.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 14, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse


One first round pick for AH and JC???

I hope the Skins wouldn't be dumb enough to do that...

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Well then let's save you some time. Ready? Here we go:

RI poster #1: Jason Campbell sucks

RI poster #2: No he doesn't

RI poster #1: Yes he does. Stats, stats, stats.

RI poster #2: No he doesn't. Other stats, stats, stats.

Yes he does. No he doesn't. Yes he does. No he doesnt. Ad Nauseum.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 14, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse


Not sure why the "debate" has to be that complicated anymore, scamp.

Jason Campbell has become a backup QB whose brightest career prospect is that he might have a chance to compete for a starting job in Buffalo or Oakland.

We might be lucky enough to get a 4th rounder for him.

Seriously, anyone still trying to tow the Campbell line is just delusional.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Whoever we get in the 5th round won't be as good as Santonio Holmes. Shanny blew a golden chance to get McNabb a bonafide weapon.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 15, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Repost...but this story is too good not to re-tell.

As is my evening ritual, I'm eating dinner with my family while watching "Pardon the Interruption" on ESPN. During the interview segment, TK and Wilbon are talking to Barry Melrose about the start of the NHL playoffs. The conversation turns to the Washington Capitals and my wife asks, "The Caps are in the playoffs?"

Without missing a beat--in her best Jim Mora voice--my 3 year-old daughter chimes in with, "Playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs?"

I rolled on the floor laughing my ass off.

If that doesn't get me a shot at 'Father of the Year', I don't know what will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Whoever we get in the 5th round won't be as good as Santonio Holmes. Shanny blew a golden chance to get McNabb a bonafide weapon.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 15, 2010 2:01 AM


How do you know? Have you seen Shanahan's track record in the mid-to-late rounds? Brandon Marshall was a 4th round pick. Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder. You have no idea how good a 5th round pick is until he's had a chance to prove himself.

And Santonio Holmes is a career turd. Dude came in the league getting in trouble and he'll likely never change that. Plus he's got a 4 game suspension this year and whatever team got him would have to be prepared to spend the first month of the season without him. No thanks.

This team made its bed with Kelly and Thomas and they'll have to lie in it for at least the next couple years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 15, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but what happened to the good 'ole days when you played where it benefitted the TEAM most and your coach had asked that of you? ESPECIALLY when you made $32m in just 12 months of "work" and even that was open to debate. I, for one, am sick and tired of prima donnas doing as what they see fit and screw the TEAM.

Posted by: wheeln69@yahoo.com | April 15, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Having jettisoned ARE, I think we're gonna be fine at WR this season. Just fine. Plenty of other areas of concern before you get to pass-catchers.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Fortunately for all of us, his name lives on in RI blog, albeit somewhat overcome by events

Posted by: ElYeah | April 15, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Ummmmm....NICE PICK COWHER!!! LMAO!!!

Posted by: chicoexcell | April 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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