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Redskins sign defensive lineman to practice squad

Defensive lineman Antoine Holmes has been signed to the practice squad, the Redskins announced today.

An undrafted free agent out of North Carolina State, Holmes (6-2, 289) originally signed with Minnesota; he was released Sept. 5 and spent three weeks on Arizona's practice squad this season before being released Nov. 24.

Holmes is a native of Williamsburg, Va.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 1, 2009; 4:59 PM ET
 
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Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder and Vinnie Cerrato love black wang!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Now that you fast forward two years, you see there isn't much difference as far as ability and where they can take this team between Campbell and Collins. So with that, what difference does it make who's starting if you'll be in the same predicament anyway at 3-8? Mind as well start the younger guy that you can hope will get better with time.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 1, 2009 4:36 PM

Red, I wholeheartedly agree that years of DC winning have been lost, to the present day. The QB that led the team to the playoffs last time, 2007, did not get the chance to defend his spot. Probably why GW didn't get the job, because he wanted to start the 75% winner over the 36% winner. They did not let him. Most hate vinny. Most hate Zorn, it seems. But their QB decision is 36%. And some say keep starting/playing him? But most hate VC and JZ. Not soup though??? IMO Soup starts because of the directive, not winning games based on the important stats. Vinny forced Zorn to play the loser. vinny pulled playcall duties from Zorn in the Chiefs game where TC led the team to 6 points in the 2nd half, compared to soups 0 in the first half. JZ and Holmgren were in contact leading up to that game. Like they didn't talk about the QB spot? Maybe he starts because of all the draft picks wasted on him. Attempted face-saver. NFL is about win today, not play FF F-ball or Madden franchise mode. The wasted wins break my heart. TC/Colt, O line in draft. All teams lose starters. Ray Lewis said after the Pitt game "next man up", regarding the backup who picked the ball in OT to set up their win. Step up and win; not excuse and lose.

HTTR

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Which Redskin starting QB since 1977 has the highest QB rating?

Posted by: vaherder | December 1, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

realness, when Collins played he looked like a slow weak old version of Campbell all he did was check down and get sacked, except the 1 pass, just like JC threw in the 2nd half in Carolina.

When Collins looked good it was under the al saunders offense that he had been under for 12+ years.

Colt has been hurt twice already without taking a real snap.

Losing Campbell would be a HUGE mistake.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

which one varherder?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

brad johnson or campbell is my guess

Posted by: follybeach | December 1, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003; same game, each got a half. TC 6, soup 0. Winning, not excuses my friend.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

did you read the article about the FACT that there are 12 guys better than Campbell and 20 not as good.

3 of the 12 that are better are future hall of famers Favre, Manning, Brady, mcNabb(4)

If you don't like Campbell your thinking just like Snydrrato, think about it and check the stats and consider the environment JC is in.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If DC's QB won a SB w/a negative 121 rating, I would be happy because the team won.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Skins have never had bad luck with former Viking defensive ends, except for Erasmus James. I can't think of anybody else. Scratch that. Skins have never had good luck with former Viking defensive ends.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

realness, both guys walked away with an "L"

Collins is 39 next year. Cmon man! He's NOT favre

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

did you read the article about the FACT that there are 12 guys better than Campbell and 20 not as good.

3 of the 12 that are better are future hall of famers Favre, Manning, Brady, mcNabb(4)

If you don't like Campbell your thinking just like Snydrrato, think about it and check the stats and consider the environment JC is in.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:46 PM |
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Was that the Boswell article, where he claimed Campbell was in the same class as Carson Palmer?

Lots of people had a good laugh over that one, including Kornheiser, who pointed out that if you lined up 100 people and asked them to choose between Palmer and Campbell, NO ONE would choose Campbell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003; same game, each got a half. TC 6, soup 0. Winning, not excuses my friend.

Posted by: Realness1

I'm with pabrian. TC will get killed, like he almost did, playing behind this line. Outside of the one good year from Brad Johnson, who's been better since Rypien left?

Now, I'll agree that he needs to play better, but don't make him out to be Heath Schuler or something.

Above all he's shown the toughness that I like in a QB.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

campbell is good enough, other areas need work

Jc is offensive MVP by far

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Word, MrR21. Not even close.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If DC's QB won a SB w/a negative 121 rating, I would be happy because the team won.

Posted by: Realness1

Football wins and loses don't come down to just 1 player. To put that solely on JC is nuts.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

DCW, it would be nice if he got the chance, that's all... EOE.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

kornheiser clearly knows nothing about the game as demonstrated by his MNF commentary and firing.

The point is JC is statistically comparitive to guys like Palmer who isn't getting ripped apart by fans and media

Collins is 38, Brennan hurt twice in 2 years with 0 games played???

I'm going with Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

name 1 guy who has been more valuable than JC to this offense this season.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

DCW, it would be nice if he got the chance, that's all... EOE.

Posted by: Realness1

C'mon man. You honestly believe Collins would perform better than JC behind this line? JC is running for his life. TC can't move.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

name 1 guy who has been more valuable than JC to this offense this season.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:59 PM


All of them?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003; same game, each got a half. TC 6, soup 0. Winning, not excuses my friend.

Posted by: Realness1

Go back and look at Collins in the 4th quarter -- was real ugly. Though Collins should have had a TD pass, but Moss slowed down while the ball was in the air and had to dive to catch a pass he should have caught in stride.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The point is JC is statistically comparitive to guys like Palmer who isn't getting ripped apart by fans and media

Collins is 38, Brennan hurt twice in 2 years with 0 games played???

I'm going with Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Palmer: 15TD 8 INT 3 rushing TD's
Campbell:12 TD 11 INT 1 rushing TD

Please, that's similiar in your eyes? JC is not horrible, but please don't even try to compare him to Palmer, even statistically speaking.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 1, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing for a QB is reading a D on time and delivering a catchable ball on time. TC had 2 years in the WCO before Saunders. Waste.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

C'mon man. You honestly believe Collins would perform better than JC behind this line? JC is running for his life. TC can't move.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Who knows. But I do know one thing. TC gets rid of the ball fast. Quick slants would be alot more effective with him in there. And he wouldn't of got intercepted like JC did on that short hook to Moss.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 1, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing for a QB is reading a D on time and delivering a catchable ball on time. TC had 2 years in the WCO before Saunders. Waste.

Posted by: Realness1

Where? With what team?

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 5:57 PM |
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Then I guess you'll be in Carolina next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Palmer; 7-3, swept the division in '09 and beat the soup led Auburn team 24-17 in 2002. Soup? 3-8 in '09. Enough already.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing for a QB is reading a D on time and delivering a catchable ball on time. TC had 2 years in the WCO before Saunders. Waste.

Posted by: Realness1

Where? With what team?

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:09 PM

All winning teams, my friend.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is that of course Greg Williams would rather have been the head coach of the Skins. If you are a professional coach you strive to be the best in your profession. The highest level you can achieve is the Head Coach position so of course he would rather have been retained here. Cerrato basically wanted to put his stamp on the team by implementing the West Coast Offense which was a terrible mistake since this team was not assembled to run the West Coast Offense. I'm confident that Greg Williams would have built the team around defense first with a power running game that would set up the deep routes of the passing game and playaction. The article says that Snyder and Cerrato were wary of Williams wanting too much power which probably means he wanted his choice of assistants, draft, and free agency input. Which in hindsight would have been the best decision. If he would have failed, fine, blow up the team but at least the continuity in scheme and philosophy would have been kept intact. Sure he didn't have much success as a Head Coach in Buffalo, but he may have learned from hsi previous mistakes and some of the ol' Joe Gibbs magic may have rubbed off on him. Not to compare him to another coach but there once was an assistant coach with the New York Giants who had a pretty bad record his first time around as head coach of the Browns who went back to being a DC and is now the best coach in all of football. Just saying. Greg Williams deserved to be the coach of this team and was denied by a meddling owner and his stooge. History may have been different.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs w/Marty.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Vinnie Cerrato and Daniel Snyder's wives vagines hang like sleeve of wizard.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Which Redskin starting QB since 1977 has the highest QB rating?


Posted by: vaherder

If your asking for the highest in
one season, here's your answer:

Mark Rypien 1991-92 97.9 rating

Posted by: elfreako | December 1, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

campbell is good enough, other areas need work

Jc is offensive MVP by far

Posted by: pabrian2003

wow! I'm even more depressed considering he's the MVP? I thought the team was in disarray, now I realize it's in shambles!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 1, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Though Collins should have had a TD pass, but Moss slowed down while the ball was in the air and had to dive to catch a pass he should have caught in stride.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2009 6:05 PM

For sure; used to too many bad soupballs, Moss is.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I know that every redskin fan would like the skins to play the way that the saints play....aggresssive on offense and does not allow the defense to dictate what they can do offensively. The saints defense is an attacking defense sort of like what the skins used to be under Gregg Williams. Now the skins defense just react to what an offense does to them...so sad. I think that the skins coaches have convinced its players that they are not good enough....they can't block....they can't cover and the game plan is drawn up accordingly.( with very little expectation)

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 1, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

is there really a debate going on as to who the best player is on the 25th ranked offense?

Posted by: hcic55 | December 1, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

For some reason I've had it in my head that Snyder would have to recognize what a shabingus he's made of the team and finally hire a GM and hand over the reins.

Now watching the team play with some fire in their pants the creeping feeling of doom is returning. Somehow Snyder will put 2 and 2 together and get 5 and that means Cerrato was right this is a playoff caliber team that just needs a little tweaking. So the keystone cops will be back more or less intact next year but we'll blow a kajillion on a single OL player and then a kajillion on a QB.


I simply do not understand how this man's brains work. Maybe he really is a purely greedy craven guy who can't see past $. . . but the fact that he brough Gibbs back tells me he does have some feeling for the franchise. . . .grrrr ppphhhppttt

Someone needs to walk into Snyder's office everyday and leave him a voicemail everyday and send him an email everyday that quotes Parcells "You are what your record says you are."

Posted by: sfskin | December 1, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I know that every redskin fan would like the skins to play the way that the saints play....aggresssive on offense and does not allow the defense to dictate what they can do offensively. The saints defense is an attacking defense sort of like what the skins used to be under Gregg Williams. Now the skins defense just react to what an offense does to them...so sad. I think that the skins coaches have convinced its players that they are not good enough....they can't block....they can't cover and the game plan is drawn up accordingly.( with very little expectation)

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 1, 2009 6:35 PM |
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I hear ya.

However, I think it's a lot easier to gamble on D and make plays when you know you have an offense that is going to explode week in and week out.

The Redskins D is pretty good, imo, but they can't afford to take many chances because the offense is so anemic.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I tried to support Campbell but when you think about the fact that Vince Young sat on the bench for the last year & 1/2, and is now playing like an all pro, what does that say about Campbell??? I would take VY anyday, he has proven to be a winner. Did I mention that "HE SAT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF"????? COME ON CAMPBELL WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM??? ...and don't blame the line.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 1, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

It's funny too, because only a few weeks ago there were people on here listing Tennessee among possible destinations for Campbell next season.

Not anymore.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's funny too, because only a few weeks ago there were people on here listing Tennessee among possible destinations for Campbell next season.

Not anymore.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 6:46 PM

Back up. They gave Ramsey a shot this year. Maybe Campbell next year.

Posted by: League-Source | December 1, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

All winning teams, my friend.

Posted by: Realness1

All winning teams? Is that an expansion team?

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

DCW, Chiefs, Marty.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 1, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I tried to support Campbell but when you think about the fact that Vince Young sat on the bench for the last year & 1/2, and is now playing like an all pro, what does that say about Campbell??? I would take VY anyday, he has proven to be a winner. Did I mention that "HE SAT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF"????? COME ON CAMPBELL WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM??? ...and don't blame the line.

Posted by: kingpenn1

What you asked us not to blame is the reason why. It also helps to have the league's leading rusher. Sort of looks like JC throught the first 8 games.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I think what nobody wants to freely admit is that there are two really big problems with Campbell. First, he is ill suited to run a west coast offense. In college he excelled with a strong running game and setting up the deep ball with play action plays. He's not meant to do these dink and dunk plays. The second is that he just might not be smart enough to adapt to the current schemes and plays. He is by no means a rocket scientist and that is the one intangible that he lacks. There are players with huge arms and tons of mobility out there that are being trumped by guys without the physical tools but have the mental ability to maximize there skills. On paper Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer, to name a few, shouldn't be successful because of there physical limitations. They excel because they have a superior football intellect. That is what separates the haves from the have nots. Most professional athletes are comparable in there physical abilities, its the mental aspect that sets these players apart from the rest. Campbell as hard as he tries just can't get it done on an elite level. He can start for most teams in the league as a serviceable QB but he can't take a team on his shoulders and lead them to the promise land.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

DCW, Chiefs, Marty.

Posted by: Realness1

Stop making stuff up. Marty has NEVER run a WCO EVER!

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

All serious REDSKIN fans go to NFL.com and vote for London Fletcher for the PRO BOWL he's a tackling machine and has never been to the PRO BOWL. He is our "D" leader and I hope he plays for the SKINS until he retires.

THANKS Mr. Fletcher for all you do for the "TEAM"

Posted by: DB14 | December 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I think what nobody wants to freely admit is that there are two really big problems with Campbell. First, he is ill suited to run a west coast offense. In college he excelled with a strong running game and setting up the deep ball with play action plays. He's not meant to do these dink and dunk plays. The second is that he just might not be smart enough to adapt to the current schemes and plays. He is by no means a rocket scientist and that is the one intangible that he lacks. There are players with huge arms and tons of mobility out there that are being trumped by guys without the physical tools but have the mental ability to maximize there skills. On paper Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer, to name a few, shouldn't be successful because of there physical limitations. They excel because they have a superior football intellect. That is what separates the haves from the have nots. Most professional athletes are comparable in there physical abilities, its the mental aspect that sets these players apart from the rest. Campbell as hard as he tries just can't get it done on an elite level. He can start for most teams in the league as a serviceable QB but he can't take a team on his shoulders and lead them to the promise land.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo


I thought your Gregg W post was your best in ages and now I see you're back to normal. Palmer and Manning have incredible arms and are extremely gifted for their position. Were you one of JC's professors at Auburn to comment on his intelligence?

If you learn a new offense every year, It should say something for his intelligence.
Please, tell me also about the intelligence of the other QBs that are playing in the league.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

You think we're bad now, get rid of Campbell and Portis and Rodgers and everyone else that gets lambasted up here and then you will see us be even worse.

Collins is done, sellars done, daniels and wynn done, fletcher ? thomas and samuels done.

just to replace retirees will be a task not to mention if you start getting rid of healthy starters

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

anyone who really thinks Collins and Brennan can amount to anything is a snydrrato jr. clone with half a brain and not the good half

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I hope London makes the PB this time.

Not sure who else may get in. Andre Carter, maybe.

And Hunter Smith?

That's about it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

we signed a D lineman? what?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

anyone who really thinks Collins and Brennan can amount to anything is a snydrrato jr. clone with half a brain and not the good half

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 7:06 PM |
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I agree re Collins, his age, the need for the team to find an answer at QB.

But the comment re Colt are unwarranted. Until he plays some regular season games, the Redskins won't know what they have in him.

I find it beyond strange that someone could dismiss Brennan when he hasn't yet been given a chance, and at the same time defend Campbell, who has been given plenty of time and plenty of chances.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 1, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

For some reason I've had it in my head that Snyder would have to recognize what a shabingus he's made of the team and finally hire a GM and hand over the reins.

Now watching the team play with some fire in their pants the creeping feeling of doom is returning. Somehow Snyder will put 2 and 2 together and get 5 and that means Cerrato was right this is a playoff caliber team that just needs a little tweaking. So the keystone cops will be back more or less intact next year but we'll blow a kajillion on a single OL player and then a kajillion on a QB.

Posted by: sfskin

I'm sharing that feeling. Vinny has been trying to disconnect himself from Zorn for several weeks. Vinny's message to Danny is this: see, this team can compete, even with lots of injuries. The problem isn't the roster, its the head coach failed to grow into the job as we (doubt Vinny wants ownership of hiring Zorn, but he can't run away from it completely either) hoped he would. As a team, we are 25 well-placed points away from being 8-3 (ie -- a playoff team), and the failure to get these 25 points is on Zorn.

There's Vinny's script, and my fear is the same as yours, that Danny will fall for it.

fwiw, while we are a mere 25 well-placed points from being 8-3, we are also just 7 carefully placed points from being 1-10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

the "Team" plays better with portis on the sidelines.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 1, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

With our "O" line, Payton Manning couldn't take a 7 step drop. The reason Campbell dink and dunks is because he only has time for 3 and 5 step drops. A 7 step drop is suicide, did not see the last play of the eagle game. Campbell pounded in the ground like a cartoon character. C'MON MAN. Please Dan get us some O linemen so we can compete.

Posted by: DB14 | December 1, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

With our "O" line, Payton Manning couldn't take a 7 step drop. The reason Campbell dink and dunks is because he only has time for 3 and 5 step drops. A 7 step drop is suicide, did not see the last play of the eagle game. Campbell pounded in the ground like a cartoon character. C'MON MAN. Please Dan get us some O linemen so we can compete.

Posted by: DB14 | December 1, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

There's Vinny's script, and my fear is the same as yours, that Danny will fall for it.

fwiw, while we are a mere 25 well-placed points from being 8-3, we are also just 7 carefully placed points from being 1-10.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I thought da Mayor posted a while back that Snyder told Vinny Zorn was his call and he would be held accountable for his results. We will see if that is true.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

dcwun thanks for the comments about the G Williams post. I just don't think Campbell has got it upstairs to get it done. To compound his lack of knowledge is that he's gotten hammered the last couple of seasons, especially the current one. Players who go through this kind of abuse just don't ever recover. Look at David Carr when he was in Houston. His first two seasons he single handedly led those teams back from deficits late in games against good teams. He also was pounded by defenses behind a poor offensive line and never really fulfilled his potential. He's holding a clipboard for Eli in Jersey. Actually if the Skins end up blowing this thing up as expected I wouldn't mind bringing him in for a look, too see if he had recovered from the pounding he took while we develop a kid. Now, I will admit that if the Skins do the right thing, blow up the front office and bring in a new restructured front office, who are allowed to hire there own GM and Head Coach. Then if Campbell can be a serviceable QB for 1 -2 years while we develop a rookie either from this draft or next, I could live with him as a stop gap and eventual back up. The thing is that if they are going to blow up this thing, what are we waiting for? Let heads roll so they can start putting some kind of plan together. Bring in a consultant like Ron Wolf to oversee the hiring of a President of Football Ops. The President of Football Ops. has free reign to hire his GM who in turn hires the Head Coach, who is also allowed to put together his own staff. No more Gibbs 2.0 or Zorn holdovers. Allow the new front office to sort through the current roster and pick who stays and who goes. Treat this team like an expansion team. No illusions of winning a Super Bowl for at least 3 years. I would support this organization 100% if we could follow these steps. I would suffer through a a couple of 3 - 6 victory win seasons as long as we head in the right direction and are building towards something. Not trying to buy a title. I don't want to have to wash the filth off myself from having bought a Super Bowl like Yankees fans. Build this right and restore glory to the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElBigChroizo

I think JC can be a good QB. It just seems similar to what the Chargers did with Drew Brees. His first 2-3 years with the Chargers, the fans were killing him. Now I'm not saying that he could ever be that good, but you never know if put in the right system.

The Chargers felt the same way about Brees as some feels about JC. They Draft Manning/Rivers and the rest is history for the Saints.

The point is, JC isn't awful. The better you build around him the better he'll be. Its not a coincidence that when the Chargers finally got some talent arount Brees, his game took off.

Posted by: dcwun | December 1, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Below are the top 15 from Mel Kipers Big Board. The rankings will surely change many times before the draft but the thing that scares me is the number of QBs (three) in the top 15. The rumor is that Bradford wants 50M guaranteed, you have got to be kidding me, the guy is a china doll he would have had both shoulders broken if he had take the hit Campbell took at the end of the Eagles game. God help us if the brain trust takes a QB.

I would love Okung but I think he will be gone by the time we pick. Any of the DT's or DE's would be great. Suh is a beast but I do not think he will be there either. So if we can't get the best of the best with our pick maybe we can trade down and get another 2nd round pick.

If we wait until the 2011 draft there may be a salary scale in place so the cost of a Jevan Snead would be diminished. I think we will be picking in the same slot in 2011 as 2010. It is going to take awhile to turn this ship around.

1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1

2 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2

3 Carlos Dunlap DE6-6 290 Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 4

4 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3

5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5

6 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: Polished QB at his best when game is on the line. Last week: No. 8

7 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 6

8 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: Developing talent whose physical tools are unmatched. Last week: No. 7

9 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 10

10 Derrick Morgan DE 6-4 275 Analysis: Proven pass-rusher (12.5 sacks this year); stout versus run. Last week: No. 15

11 Brian Price DT 6-2 300 Analysis: Powerful, leverage guy who wreaks havoc. Last week: No. NR

12 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: Has linebacker size with cornerback speed. Last week: No. 9

13 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Dynamic receiver, punt returner and TD maker. Last week: No. 11

14 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: Explosive natural pass-rusher out of juco ranks. Last week: No. 13

15 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 14

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 1, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

why didnt brady put the team on his shoulders against the saints?? what about the superbowl that brady got hog-whipped(and his team)why didnt he win that game? you don't need a great qb to win in the nfl,trent dilfer has a super bowl ring does he have superior football intellect? brady, palmer or manning on this team with this line would be on injured reserve by now. If you don't have a good line on both sides of the ball you will not win in the nfl period. many of you whites are always screaming about how great montana or brady or manning is and NEVER mention the receivers they throw to are/were mostly BLACK who make GREAT CATCHES AND RUNS every ball thrown their way DOES/DID NOT HIT THEM BETWEEN THE NUMBERS!BOZO'S/LIARS. qb's are only 1 player on a TEAM they did not win the SB teams do. whites did NOT want any black qb's(many still don't now)for years because again according to whites" they were not intelligent enough to play the position,just like middle linebacker at one time and rb wide receiver etc. you reap what you sow,deal with it.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 1, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

If, the new regime decided to build a team based on a power running game, behind a rebuilt offensive line, and running the ball to set up the pass, then Campbell could definitely be placed in a situation where he could excel. What angers me the most is that I think if Greg Williams would have been retained as head coach this is how he would have built the team. None of this gimmicky B.S. west coast offense. Essentially, Snder and Cerrato set this team back 3 years by going with Zorn. If Williams would have been named head coach with full authority over his staff and draft and free agency input at this point we would have known if it was the right choice or not and could have moved on in another direction. This team was built to perform like Redskins teams of the past. Cooley was the all purpose H back, Portis had speed, Betts was the power back, Moss was the deep threat that could burn down the field on play action. But Snyder and Cerrato basically flipped off Gibbs 2.0 and the legacy and decided to do things there way. Which in hindsight was a terrible decision. The only thing that could make up for this entire debacle would be the immediate resignation/firing of Cerrato and Zorn and the entire staff and a change in philosophy. It kills me to root against the Redskins every Sunday, I don't even watch the games anymore because its to embarrassing to sit through the games. They steal defeat from the jaws of victory every week. we are the laughingstock of the league. Especially when you consider the dollar to donuts investments. Sure the Rams, Browns, Lions, and Chiefs are terrible but there payroll is near the bottom of the league and no one expected them to do anything this year. The Skins have a payroll thats skyrocketed to the size of a GNP of a small developing Central American nation. The Titans went through salary cap purgatory a few seasons ago, rebuilt, and bounced back nicely. This year they got off to a terrible start but they consistently contended ever since they bounced back from purgatory. The Redskins are on the cusp of salary cap purgatory and will have to take advantage of the cap free year and cut heads left and right and rebuild with youth. It's the only option and I'm more than willing to embrace the change. Bring along a new generation of players and build a winner. it can be done, its just gonna take time.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

CAN YOU DIG IT!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Now if Snyder keeps Cerrato after this year I will sadly find a new team to root for. If he comes back then they truly deserve each other and they can give each other blow jobs and circle jerk each other off while wearing each others underwear on there heads. At that point Danny boy can take his racketball and drive lubricated potatoes up Cerrato's bung hole.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 1, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been keeping up with my lurking around here, so I'm not sure if this has been making the rounds up here in hamsterland.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2941683/1988-Washington-Redskins-34

Sweet.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice link MNSkinsFan.

Still many things on there that can be used today like Concentration for DBs page 47 or Know Situations page 49 to name a couple.

Seems like I've seen those types of mistakes over and over.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 1, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

m_p_holmes

My thoughts based on skins' needs and the fact I've seen them play:

1 Ndamukong Suh DT 6-4 300 Analysis: I like

2 Gerald McCoy DT 6-4 297 Analysis: I kinda like

3 Carlos Dunlap DE6-6 290 Analysis: But for Jarmon, I really like

4 Eric Berry DB 5-11 203 Analysis: Safeties are a dime a dozen

5 Sam Bradford QB 6-4 223 Analysis: I want this guy

6 Jimmy Clausen QB 6-3 223 Analysis: I could care less

7 Russell Okung OT 6-5 300 Analysis: I like as right tackle

8 Jake Locker QB 6-3 226 Analysis: I want this guy bad

9 Joe Haden CB 5-11 190 Analysis: I want this guy bad

10 Derrick Morgan DE 6-4 275 Analysis: But for Jarmon..no, wait..forgitaboutitdawg.

11 Brian Price DT 6-2 300 Analysis: Nope

12 Taylor Mays S 6-3 235 Analysis: nope

13 Dez Bryant WR 6-2 220 Analysis: Please be there in the second round--you may be Moss' replacement

14 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 6-5 262 Analysis: nope

15 Rolando McClain LB 6-4 258Analysis: naw


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

elbigchroizo

"...they can give each other blow jobs and circle jerk each other off while wearing each others underwear on there heads."


Sir, your language.

Doncha know this is a family blog?

And my family finds this downright funny.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Any one watching the replay?

Why did Campbell double-pump before overthrowing Moss?

Moss was open before the pump as the guy covering him looked to be laying 10 yards off.

I don't get that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2941683/1988-Washington-Redskins-34

Sweet.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 1, 2009 8:22 PM

Reading this and wondering what the he11 is Zorn teaching these players? Quick, does anyone have Jim Zorn's e-mail address?

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 1, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude, if you want to communicate with Zorn, you can't use email. He operates on an entirely different system, man. Bring some munchies, and he'll go over the playbook looking for the 'perfect' play.

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Re-watching the game you can see LL missed tackle an Avant give life to Philly's offense. Anyway, hopefully he'll improve his tackling anddecisions over the next years.

@ MistaMoe I agree with your analysis of the top 15 as far as wanting them with the skins. I prefer Jimmy Clausen over Bradford. I wouldn't touch Locker if he came out this year. Also, many are projecting Eric Berry converting to CB at the pro level so he'll give some flexibility in the secondary.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Clinton

*On the offense scoring 20-plus points in two of last three weeks and the Redskins losing close games to Dallas and Philadelphia:

"The guys that take that field look forward to playing and stepping up. We were missing at least seven or eight guys and they still played the Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys down to the end of the game. That speaks volumes about the character and talent on this team. It’s just a matter of coming away with the win. In these last couple weeks, you’ve seen more explosive plays and more people involved and just really utilizing our talent. If you could start over and get everybody involved at the beginning of the season, I don’t know how it would go but more guys would have come up with more opportunities and more chances to make big plays."

So true Clinton. A season's worth of potential wasted away by the Zorn administration.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

See, I took a little different view of the Avant catch, which I do think was a critical play. Looked to me like Tryon, who was hurt on the previous play, just couldn't move at all. After Avant blew by him -- and he's either supposed to follow or jam, not just stand there -- he watched the rest of the play. RockyMac ran past him to catch up to the play.
LL's missed tackle was worth another 15-20 yards, but the big damage was the catch that got them from the 10 yard line.

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

daggar I didn't notice Tryon, I'll look at it again. I wish these learn how to finish games.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Twisi

The singular reason anyone would want to draft Jimmy Clausen is that he has been trained NFL-style by Charlie 'Tuna' Weiss.

He could step into the pro game knowing the same system run in New England, and if there's blocking, do well.

Beyond that, I look at the guy and think Brady Quinn.

And I don't like that thought.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Missed opportunities and poor game day coaching killed this season.

Oh well...


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Missed-chances-in-a-lost-season-8614047-78281257.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 1, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

i have a hard time thinking of the redskins as a west coast team, just doesn't fit our history, culture, or personnel...if i was owner, i'd promote greg blache to head coach, and if he didn't want it, to jerry grey...then i would bring in the wide receiver coach from the saints, curtis johnson, to be our offensive coordinator

Posted by: altarkenton | December 1, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The last, field-level replay from the corner is the best view. You see Tryon turn around and watch. I didn't see him again in the game.
NFL Replay cuts out the time where Tryon is rolling around on the ground trying to catch his breath from the previous play; if you see the whole series on DVR it's more glaring.

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Missed opportunities and poor game day coaching killed this season.

Oh well...


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Missed-chances-in-a-lost-season-8614047-78281257.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 1, 2009 9:56 PM

How do teams execute in pressure situations? How is one ready when a play to be made. these things are rehearsed and players are held accountable for the execution of them. I get the sense, particularly early in the year, the skins weren't prepared as they should have been.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

anyone who really thinks Collins and Brennan can amount to anything is a snydrrato jr. clone with half a brain and not the good half

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 7:06 PM |
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I agree re Collins, his age, the need for the team to find an answer at QB.

But the comment re Colt are unwarranted. Until he plays some regular season games, the Redskins won't know what they have in him.

I find it beyond strange that someone could dismiss Brennan when he hasn't yet been given a chance, and at the same time defend Campbell, who has been given plenty of time and plenty of chances.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

He's already been injured....twice with 0 games?!?!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I find it beyond strange that....

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Beyond strange is what makes this place hop. Who wants to read posts that are before strange?

Posted by: League-Source | December 1, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Any one watching the replay?

Why did Campbell double-pump before overthrowing Moss?

Moss was open before the pump as the guy covering him looked to be laying 10 yards off.

I don't get that.

Posted by: MistaMoe

and what do you know of playing the position?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been keeping up with my lurking around here, so I'm not sure if this has been making the rounds up here in hamsterland.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2941683/1988-Washington-Redskins-34

Sweet.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!!!!!! BOY DO I MISS THIS GAME! I know this has been reposted a couple of times, but worth the repost. MNSkinsFan, thanks for posting.. I have enjoyed reading it?

Lastly, I really appreciated the definitions/clarification of Onsides/Offsides.... ( certainly should put those two terms in our current playbook)

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 1, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's best year in college, senior year undfeated at auburn, was in a WCO

just for the record.

The guy who invented the WCO never called it that, a journalist made up the name.

just for the record.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time someone handed JC the ball with the team down That's why he's not getting paid.
He's still in my daggar-as-GM plan, just because there's no better alternative available; I can hope that he'll turn it on and drag the team across the finish line. He does that a couple of times, I'll whip out the checkbook.

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

this isn't college

just for the record

and it doesn't matter who invented the name, because NFL coaches have appropriated the name to stand for a specific style of offense

just for the record

Posted by: altarkenton | December 1, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

let's make this much clear about the skins and snyder and probably Cerrato along with it,snyder has to answer this question first, how much longer am i willing to put up with this. And come this offseason he needs to look at his entire opeartion from top to bottom,and he needs to change the way he does things and runs his business otherwise it don't matter if you replace Cerrato, if you are doing the same thing to the next GM simple as that also here is something else he needs to not only understand but realize, he's starting to lose money, and within the next couple, of seasons in their negotiations with ESPN and NBC they may ask to make sure the skins do no appear on any monday nigh or sunnday night games that would hurt his pocket tremendesouly

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | December 1, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

this isn't college

just for the record

and it doesn't matter who invented the name, because NFL coaches have appropriated the name to stand for a specific style of offense

just for the record

Posted by: altarkenton

fascinating insight, oh wait there wasn't any

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

This happens to mediocre to bad teams. Does anyone really believe that KC, or TB are any better now than they were when they played the Redskins? Yet both have won against much better teams. Does anyone believe that if Kyle Orton hadn't gotten hurt the Redskins would have won that game? Or how Atlanta woke up in the last 8 minutes of the 4th quarter and shut the skins down?

By the middle of the season teams get a little banged up an may play down to their competition. But four of the next five games are against teams that are in the playoff hunt. December is the time of year when these teams put away teams like the Redskins convincingly. If the Redskins play well over the next five games, win or lose, you might make the case that they've been playing better and might have something to build on. But my guess is that they are going to get smacked around in four of those five games and remind people that they are a mediocre team that played lousy in the first quarter of the season then played like a mediocre team with lots of injuries in the last quarter.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | December 1, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

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