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Redskins Sign LB Robert Thomas

The Washington Redskins have signed veteran linebacker Robert Thomas to a one-year deal, according to a league source, confirming earlier reports. Thomas is an eight-year pro who missed all but two games last season because of injury. He passed a physical with the Redskins and comes in with a chance to start at strongside linebacker.

With the release of longtime starter Marcus Washington, the Skins are thin at that spot . As they seek reinforcements, they have been dangling primarily one-year, veteran-minimum deals. They also have shown interest in trying to bring Washington back on a short-term, low-salary contract, but he has rebuffed their initial overtures. Since his release, however, he has not commanded much interest on the open market. Of course, drafting a linebacker later this month is a possibility, too.

Thomas (6-0, 235), is a journeyman who entered the NFL in 2002 as a first-round pick out of UCLA by the St. Louis Rams. The Raiders signed him as a free agent in 2006, and he started 10 games in 2007 at outside linebacker. Thomas, 28, has started just 11 games the past three seasons. and has two sacks in his NFL career, both in 2003. He has significant special teams experience.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 8, 2009; 10:06 AM ET
 
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Comments

First.

Now all my worries about LB and defense are solved. Thank you Robert Thomas.....? Punter with the 13th pick!!!

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 8, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

CHAMPIONSHIP!

Posted by: zyvo23 | April 8, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Thomas is nothing but a back up.

Take a slb with the 13th pick.

Avoid USC's Matt Sanchez: new slogan- Let's Do It Without the Trojan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Can it get any better than this?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

4th watching that comcast video made my head pound. IMO I don't think Campbell will be given a fair shot to be the franchise QB for this team. Campbell is basiclly playing this year to build his value for another team.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If JC has a break-out year, he'll either get an extension, or get franchised. If he has a lousy year, he wont be offered a contract for next year. It really all comes down to him, and how he plays....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good, inexpensive signing. At the very least, he provides some depth and special teams experience.

An 8 year pro who is only 28 means he was 20 or 21 out of college right? Did he leave early? As a 1st round draft pick, he must have shown some upside.

Best case scenario, he sees this as his last chance in the NFL and finally shows some of the potential that got him drafted in the first round. Not holding my breath, but you never know.

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 8, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Who?

Posted by: bones21 | April 8, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Why not Derrick Brooks for a vet min? That would have sounded good.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's all hope that JC is signed to a big long term deal at the end of the season. That means he did something to deserve it.

Posted by: Gweez | April 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have to select a RT, SLB, and C/G in the draft. They have major holes at each position and there aren't many quality veterans left in the free agency. Tauscher and Runyan at RT, but both are coming off knee injuries. Kendall at C/G. Washington or 35yr old Zack Thomas at SLB.

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Who?

Posted by: bones21 | April 8, 2009 10:34 AM

Eramus James, linebacker edition.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

He just sounded like, 'I will play this season for my teamates and Coaches, and my agent will get me out of here next year one way or the other.'

No emotion at all. I like to see a human side in every one once in a while. It shows we are not robots.


Danny just soured our QB...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

JLC is only about 3-4 days late with this report, d'oh

Posted by: X--E | April 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I like Robert Thomas. He looked like a solid dude.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

lets hope that Robert Thomas in a late bloomer like Mr. Harrisson for Pittsburgh. he is like 28 or 29

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Danny just soured our QB...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:38 AM

Our QB soured Danny. Which came first?

I'm with Greg on this. If Campbell has a good year, he has a good future. If he doesn't he's going to be seen -- throughout the league, not just in Washington -- as a career backup. This is really about Jason playing like a franchise QB, not about Danny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I see Thomas more as a replacement for Khary Campbell as a backup WLB who could challenge for the starting WLB position in camp. At 235 lbs; he doesn't appear to have the size necessary to be a starting SLB.

Here's a snippet from the SI 2002 1st round draft analysis:

31: St. Louis Rams | Robert Thomas | ILB | UCLA Bruins
He's a guy who runs a 4.5 and is a tackling machine and will fit into the defense as a weakside linebacker...

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

4th - what did JC have to say this morning?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 8, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

'....Can it get any better than this?...'

Yes: Malcolm Kelly could be completely healthy and live up to the draft hype.

Stephon Heyer becomes a stud right tackle.

DeAngelo Hall returns punts.

J Campbell has a breakout season.

C Samuels completes a season without knees issues.

Rocky Mac turns into Lance Briggs.

Andre Carter gets 13 sacks.

Prince Albert dominates Chris Snee with glee.

C Portis is satisfied the offense runs through Campbell as it rests his body for the final month of the season.

Ladell Betts becomes an exceptional screen/check down pass catching back.

D Thomas starts opposite Moss/Cooley after Randle El breaks his arm fair-catching.

And finally, Rey Maualga has a strong rookie season as the team's starting slb while the two rookie offensive linemen the team drafted get significant playing time at right guard and center.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Who is this Thomas guy? Is he a starter or reserve? Any thoughts on Loadholt? He is 6'8 338. Thats the size we need up front.

Thomas was on Raiders last 3 years, was a starter in 07, on inactive for first 7 weeks of season, started week 9, then was either inactive or IR rest of season.

Loadholt is rated behind Britton , Jamon Meredith & William Beatty on Scouts rating of OT's. I think he is a 1-2 year project.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse
repost.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Are Britton and Loadholt moving up on peoples draft board? They both look good. I don't think we would draft them at 13 if the other 4 are gone. Jackson at DE from LSU looks like a game changer, but I think OL is the pick at 13.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 8, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

te, really the ball is in Jason's hands. If he plays well, it works out either way for the team. He either signs a contract, and stays, or he gets franchised, and if he gets traded the team gets picks. I'm a big fan of JC, but no excuses after this year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Fritz

Posted by: FedorEm | April 8, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Danny just soured our QB...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:38 AM

Our QB soured Danny. Which came first?

I'm with Greg on this. If Campbell has a good year, he has a good future. If he doesn't he's going to be seen -- throughout the league, not just in Washington -- as a career backup. This is really about Jason playing like a franchise QB, not about Danny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 10:45 AM
Danny just soured our QB...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:38 AM

Our QB soured Danny. Which came first?

I'm with Greg on this. If Campbell has a good year, he has a good future. If he doesn't he's going to be seen -- throughout the league, not just in Washington -- as a career backup. This is really about Jason playing like a franchise QB, not about Danny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 10:45 AM

What was I thinking? You're right.

Just watching that video just now put me in a depressing mood. Dang! There is NO cherriness whatsoever in that dang interview.

I think when I wrote that I was feeling more bumped about the season if JC17 does get his mind right........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

4th - what did JC have to say this morning?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 8, 2009 10:46 AM

It's more of not what he said, but how he said it.........


http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/pages/redskins

(video on the right)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Meredeth and Loadholt could be available when the Skins pick in the third round.

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

siris, I can't see those 2 guys making it all the way to the third. unless between now and draft day their found with multiple dead bodies, then early 2 is where I think they'll go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

te, really the ball is in Jason's hands. If he plays well, it works out either way for the team. He either signs a contract, and stays, or he gets franchised, and if he gets traded the team gets picks. I'm a big fan of JC, but no excuses after this year.
Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 10:49 AM

Agreed. As “off put” as JC may seem right now, he is one way or another (should be anyway) highly motivated to perform well this year. He is playing for a contract, either with or without the Skins. Even if he is hurt, soured, whatever, money talks. If he plays well and the Skins offer him a fair contract he would probably stay in Washington. Just ask Lance Briggs. The only caveat could be that Danny and Vinny really don’t have any sort of faith in him and won’t keep him around no matter how well he plays this year, or still even have plans on finding some sort of replacement/new competition this year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

... There is NO cherriness whatsoever in that dang interview. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:51 AM

I'm not sweating that. JC-17 (I really like that nickname btw) doesn't do cherry ... doesn't do gloom ... he's mediumer than Zorn. This is called a level temperment (sp?). A player doesn't need the management's "trust" ... he needs his teammate's trust.

I heart JC-17.

Otherwise, I'm still with my bigger picture assessment. Doom.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Mista Moe- I have the same dream scenario. I'd like to add Anthony Aldridge or Dominique Dorsey having pro bowl seasons at punt returner and providing a real change of pace in the backfield to portis/betts. I just hope one or both make the team and get some carries.

I would absolutely love to get Maulagua on this team. Snyder apparently likes him, which would bode well for draft day.

Posted by: brian58 | April 8, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

woohoo vinny does it again.

but seriously, never trust someone with 2 first names.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 8, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Regarding JC, I gues I'm saying that I have no faith that the FO will grade JC performance fairly this year. IMO Danny has made his deciion, he wants to move on from JC. General question, what do you think the expectations of the FO are of JC this year?

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

speaking of interviews you have to watch the interview with Chris Wilson talking to Larry Micheal about trying to become the SLB.

I like the dude he sounds confident and the he looks like he has put on solid muscle.

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Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, he sounded fine to me. I'm sure he's just tired of answering the same questions over & over.

He knows he hasn't delivered anything spectacular yet. He's able. We've seen that on the college level. He want's to succeed and he's aware of the challenges.

The interviewer is a bit of a pill, but hey - gotta make a career, right?

I'm sick of the 'coddle the QB' attitude that's developed over the last few years. Didn't Dilfer prove it's not the be-all/end-all position?

QB: Put the team in position to win & don't loose it.

I don't blame Soup for last season's problems. He contributed to the problems, but for the most part he kept the team in it.

He's shown resilliency. If he can get half a second more this year, let's see if he can develop an offense!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

4th - what did JC have to say this morning?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 8, 2009 10:46 AM

I thought he said all the right things -- "Need to have a breakout season" "focussing on what I can control" "it's a business" "trying to improve." Etc. I think the guy's a class act and I hope he realizes his potential this year and is with us for a long time. He can make a ton of money by signing at the end of this year instead of at the end of last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I meant to post this link to the Chris Wilson interview.

http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/pages/redskins

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

'...really the ball is in Jason's hands...'

This is kinda sorta true.

Zorn calls the plays and Zorn is the one who has to 'diss' CP's desires for 25-30 carries a game to allow the passing game to flourish.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

funny how much one year changes


last year we heard "OMG Danny and Vinny are idiots, telling all the coaches they interview than they HAVE to start Jason Campbell at QB!"


now it's "OMG Danny and Vinny are idiots, they don't love JC like me!"


gimme a break people, it's a business and they didn't really do JC as bad as everyone is making it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Are we sure Danny and Vinny didn't sign Rob Thomas, Lead singer for Matchbox 20? Would that be a more "Sexier" signing?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't really care for Loadholdt from reading some reports on him. Basically, he might be a bigger version of Jansen, too slow to deal with speed rushers. And with the abundance of speed rushers in the NFC east, that can't be good.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The best thing I can say is...

It's ONLY April.

My biggest worry is the media will consistently bring this up during the season 6 months from now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Zorn calls the plays and Zorn is the one who has to 'diss' CP's desires for 25-30 carries a game to allow the passing game to flourish.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 11:12 AM

Huh? CP didn't even want all of those carries. But he was willing to put the team on his back if that meant winning....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Are we sure Danny and Vinny didn't sign Rob Thomas, Lead singer for Matchbox 20? Would that be a more "Sexier" signing?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the good laugh! This Rob Thomas could play quarterback. I can see him singing the audibles!!

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 8, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Why not Derrick Brooks for a vet min? That would have sounded good.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 8, 2009 10:35 AM

He's kinda old for special teams. I think Blades is going to fill in fine at olb, he did well enough last year for the fourth ranked D in the league..Mac may have lost half a step following surgery, probably should take an lb at three or above. But stick to my guns on OT with the first..

Posted by: frak | April 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm really hoping Marcus Washington comes back on the cheap. That'd be awesome.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

If we signed this dude to be a depth guy. that sounds good to me. Not to mention if we get MWash back then we are again stuck with 2 injury prone OLB's and having a versatile backup would be smart.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

uhhh alex

2 injury prone OLB's = 1 OLB

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Robert Thomas is a stud as reported in his local paper:

"He finished the season with 304 tackles, two sacks and four forced fumbles."

304 tackles!

http://www.ivpressonline.com/articles/2009/04/08/sports/sports01.txt

Posted by: swowra | April 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Peter King :

"1. "This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.''"

"4. Mayock, if he had his choice of first-round picks for talent and value, would be around 22. "The value in this draft is at 15 and beyond.''"


"5. He says eight or nine tight ends will be drafted in the first three rounds. He loves the best of the bunch, Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew. (I'd love to see the Bills land him, by the way. Perfect offensive weapon for a coordinator, Turk Schonert, who loves to use the tight end.)"


"6. He likes Eugene Monroe over Jason Smith, if you're picking a franchise tackle. "Smith's got a better upside. Very aggressive. But Monroe's got the best feet in the draft. He's a really accomplished technician.''"


"8. He's scared of Brian Orakpo, the Texas defensive end who's the apple of a few teams' eyes in the top half of the first round. "Buyer beware,'' Mayock said. "He's boom or bust. I don't know if he's DeMarcus Ware or Vernon Gholston. I've seen him have some really good games, and I've seen what I considered to be Brandon Pettigrew tearing him apart. The point is, I don't see it all the time from Orakpo, which concerns me.''"


"10. If you need a cornerback in this draft, sit it out. There are no corners even well above average, never mind great."


Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason La Canfora, good job on Capitals Postgame Live last night! Maybe you should cover the Caps! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | April 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Only if they knew, only if they had any clue."

Jason Campbell responding to a questions about how best to handle criticism from out side the organization.

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Alllll righty then!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Truth, as the MWash thing is not a lock I was giving it an if sign.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

those are the points that seemed to relate to us.

#4 says #15 is about the best value pick in the draft, that's solid news and seems to be accurate other than a couple of the top OT's and Curry and maybe others who will go in top 5-10

#5 about the run on tight ends, if "eight or nine" tight ends get selected in the first three rounds, that's AWESOME news for us. Means someone is dropping at a position we need help at, period. I think we should all pray for a run on TE's in the 1st/2nd/early 3rd


#6 Monroe over Jason Smith, I've seen Monroe fall to us in some mocks, but I doubt it will happen.

#8 I completely agree and I think Orakpo is a bust. Would not select him with a top 10 pick if I had it. He will disappoint IMO. Great college player though.


#10, we'll select a CB late I think, so it is relative.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Let us not forget that Anthony Mix is tall.

Posted by: trezmartin | April 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Hey Jason La Canfora, good job on Capitals Postgame Live last night! Maybe you should cover the Caps! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | April 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse"

NO WAY! Tarik is the best beat writer at the post!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 8, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason La Canfora, good job on Capitals Postgame Live last night! Maybe you should cover the Caps! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | April 8, 2009 11:27 AM

Alright, so this is my question...

I watch alot of NFL Network. And they talk to alot of teams' local reporters. And to me, it seems the other papers' reporters just do football. WashTimes reporter's only do football.

So, if JLa does a radio show (1370am), Caps Coverage (which they will go way into the playoffs past the NFL draft), and whatever else venture; Is he really an insider?

Not knocking him, but asking a question.

I grew up in High School reading Maske as a Redskins Beat Reporter and I have never seen him venture outside of the NFL, save for an occasional story on a local sports person.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

6'0" 235 lbs isnt a SLB... its a small WLB.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

6-0 235? Sounds damn small for a strongside LB...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 8, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Money talks. So does living in a city you love, playing with teammates you're friends with, being in a system you're comfortable in, and knowing your best shot at success is being part of a consistent scheme.

I remember seeing a clip last week of Jason Campbell chillin' out at the Caps game. Just a regular guy having a good time. It really sobers up the "celebrity" perception we all have of these guys. Lest we forget, these guys are actual humans, and a lot more than a personal vendetta goes into deciding where they want to spend their careers. I have no doubt that JC17 wants to be in DC as long as possible.

The real question is "what will it take to get Snyder to commit?" Would a 3,500 yard, 20 TD year get him? How about a 3,300 yard, 16 TD year where the team goes 10-6 and gets to the playoffs? Or will it have to be a 4,000 yard, 25 TD year (let's face it, Snyder loves nothing more than flash)?

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

It is small for a starter. Thomas adds depth, supposedly he can play any LB position if a starter goes down.

Posted by: swowra | April 8, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I hope he is versatile. Maybe we can stack Thomas on Blades shoulders (like the old chicken game) and take on TE's and RB's. That way Blades can launch Thomas at the ball carrier. IF he misses, Blades can get the second crack. Its genious. Its groundbreaking. It just might work. Anyone got Blaches cell #?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"It's a challenge. At the same time, you know, it's an opportunity for me in this type of moments to sit back and just look at everything as far as a professional standpoint and as a business and just understand this is a day to day thing, this is... uhhh, the nature that we live in and... uhhhh, one thing I wanted to as far as myself is to just continue to keep preparing, continue to keep working because you don't know if it's just speculation or something that's really going on, but I really didn't want to get caught up into the midst of it. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything I could to be ready for minicamp, to be ready for training camp and to let my teammates know I'm here, here for them and here to win and no matter what everything that's going on on the outside and things that's out of our control. You know, one thing I can control is me preparing myself to have the best season since I've been here."

-Jason Campbell

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The real question is "what will it take to get Snyder to commit?" Would a 3,500 yard, 20 TD year get him? How about a 3,300 yard, 16 TD year where the team goes 10-6 and gets to the playoffs? Or will it have to be a 4,000 yard, 25 TD year (let's face it, Snyder loves nothing more than flash)?

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 11:38 AM |

Winning NFC East and a playoff game or two would probably do it.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

alot of "vet minimum contracts" dangling out there... I know extensions are always possible at anytime..preseason and reg season.. But, could it be after no Cutler deal, Snyder is taking the "poison pill" in 09 for Shanahan or Cowher in 2010. Allowing such a potential new Head Coach to step in unincumbered with long term vet contracts (including Campbell). Its an easier sell to a take charge Head Coach that he has a clean slate and can quickly bring in his own players. Especially if the poison pill is effective enough (high 2010 Draft pick) to have that new HC picking his own Franchise QB (Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc). Imagine Shanahan and the Skins in April 2010 with a 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick, in the First round. My guess is this is the strategy if Vinny stays put in the Draft regarding Pick positions. Or, trades any of the 09 picks for early round picks in 2010.
The Skins may be getting "attractively packaged" for a new Head Coach in 2010.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

What about Chris Wilson at SLB?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

JC has good intentions it seems. His english is still pretty bad tho. It has improved some since he's been in Washington, but it concerns me that the leader of the team cant communicate more effectively with his coaches and teammates. Am I alone on this one?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

4th,
Apparently you do not know about the super secret plan for JaLaCa to become the replacement for George Michael, Tony K as god of all sports news in DC.

All shtick aside I think that what a reporter does is based on the versatility of their knowledge along with the question if they have a passion for a particular sport.
**stop reading now unless you want to hear my rambling**

Some can cover 100 different sports but have the knowledge about all the sports that a "fan" would, I think these end up being your guys who can do the play by play for every sport each season, not great but not bad at it. Some can know 5-10 sports and have a bit more depth of knowledge about the sport itself, JaLaCa is in that imho but so is a guy like Joe Buck or the PTI guys. Then you get the guys who are 1 sport masters, who have amazing expertise on one topic, ex-players, ex-coaches and then the reporter types like MM fall into that spot.

Now some guys can be good at any of these and some can be awful, JB of FOX sports is one guy who I think could cover speed walking and do a great job, however at the same time there are some guys who think they can cover it all and are just bad.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Let us not forget that Anthony Mix is tall.

Posted by: trezmartin | April 8, 2009 11:30 AM

... and on Tampa Bay's roster.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What about Chris Wilson at SLB?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2009 11:48 AM |

They have him working out there, will see what happens.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I believe that JC will have a very good year if three things happens.

1. They fix the O Line

2. The rooks from last year step up.

3. Better play calling from Zorn.

Did I say they need to fix the O Line?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"The real question is "what will it take to get Snyder to commit?" Would a 3,500 yard, 20 TD year get him? How about a 3,300 yard, 16 TD year where the team goes 10-6 and gets to the playoffs? Or will it have to be a 4,000 yard, 25 TD year (let's face it, Snyder loves nothing more than flash)?

Posted by: psps23 "

JC had done nothing flashy last year when Snyder was telling coaching candidates that they HAD to keep JC as their starting QB no matter what.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for your perspective Alex. I guess I would agree with you.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Given that time and again Snyder values someone else's free agents over his own players, it's going to take a pro bowl season for Snyder to want to keep JC.

If there is any kind of big name available next year at QB, Snyder will go after him.

Book it. If JC goes 3300 / 25 / 12 Snyder would still try to lure Favre out of retirement.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 8, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Winning NFC East and a playoff game or two would probably do it.

Posted by: edvar |

I was hoping someone would post this. Not to call you out edvar. I agree with you assumption that it will take a deep run into the playoff, however will that a fair assessment? Romo hasn't even accomplished this with arguably the best offensive talent in the NFC. This is why I don't see how Campbell gets the benefit of the doubt even if he has solid numbers w/ this FO.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

General question, what do you think the expectations of the FO are of JC this year?

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 11:05 AM

Snyder is an impatient and petulent owner, and he wants a petulent QB. Snyder is probably getting the "change" bug, so he's not just looking beyond JC17... I think he's looking beyond Zorn, too.

Dan Snyder had the attention span of a gnat when it comes to developing coaches and talent in bergundy and gold. He might have been a little more hands-off with Gibbs around, but he's back to trying to "buy" other teams talent instead of growing it organically.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

JM220

We already 'fixed' the OLine. Dockery and Jansen/Heyer.

Jansen said it takes 2 years to recover from the injury. So I think we should give him the benefir of the doubt.

And if he fails, I think Heyer will be a good starter in year 3. No way he has plateaued already.


Other than that, I agree on the other 2.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"JC had done nothing flashy last year when Snyder was telling coaching candidates that they HAD to keep JC as their starting QB no matter what.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

He flashed a bigass arm and massive potential, which is what was to be expected from a first round pick that had started the equivalent of one season plus change.

It isn't about potential anymore. Not with $60 million or so riding on the decision. Hence the difference in expectations.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

General question, what do you think the expectations of the FO are of JC this year?

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 11:05 AM

JC17 has to bring the team to the NFC Championship Game. If he doesn't, then he will need to have some better stats than 13 TDs and 6 INTs.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Petulant" is an adjective one would use to describe a child, NOT the owner of the Washington Redskins, who happens to be a full grown man.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

My hopes that Snyder had actually learned from Gibbs and that it would have some kind of lasting effect on his actions with the team were pretty much gone with the Prince Albert signing. After the Culter situation, all hope is lost...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

We already 'fixed' the OLine. Dockery and Jansen/Heyer.

Jansen said it takes 2 years to recover from the injury. So I think we should give him the benefir of the doubt.

And if he fails, I think Heyer will be a good starter in year 3. No way he has plateaued already.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 11:58 AM

Dockery is replacing Kendall, who was the best and most consistent player we had on the O-line last year (didn't miss a game). We bought youth and better health at that posision, but I don't expect a significant improvement from last year there.

How is waiting for Heyer to develop and/or hoping for Jansen the heal a "fix"? I have a feeling if Portis and Campbell got a vote on it, they'd both say, "DRAFT ANDRE SMITH WITH #13!!!"

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey had one "bigass arm" and "massive potential". If only he was throwing javelins to the wide recievers.


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"He flashed a bigass arm and massive potential, which is what was to be expected from a first round pick that had started the equivalent of one season plus change."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

VABB the thing snyder said he learned cant remember when he said it, was that you don't go after 33 year old FA's anymore, go after guys in their early-mid 20's.

Aparently Danny Boy was not that good at paying attention to JoeG

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

My hopes that Snyder had actually learned from Gibbs and that it would have some kind of lasting effect on his actions with the team were pretty much gone with the Prince Albert signing. After the Culter situation, all hope is lost...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:02 PM |

What about all the flashy FA's Gibbs signed, Gibbs didn't show any patience.

What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Patrick Ramsey had one "bigass arm" and "massive potential". If only he was throwing javelins to the wide recievers."

Patrick Ramsey was an object lesson for JC17. Joe Gibbs banished Ramsey to the dark abyss because Gibbs absolutely despised turnovers. JC17 noticed.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

who happens to be a full grown man.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, thats still up for debate... how tall are midgets?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

oh please it is not that bad you all could be Lions fans .Now that is bad

Posted by: joevick | April 8, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Patrick Ramsey had one "bigass arm" and "massive potential"."

Hence the phrase "which is what was to be expected from a first round pick that had started the equivalent of one season plus change."

Others on that list:
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning
Rex Grossman
Philip Rivers
Vince Young
Matt Leinart

Attempting to point out that Ramsey was in a similar situation means absolutely nothing.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe wrote:
Avoid USC's Matt Sanchez: new slogan- Let's Do It Without the Trojan.

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Actually I hope we do get a Trojan, not Sanchez though, I'm hoping for Cushing. He will match up well against Westbrook from Philly and Felix Jones from The Girls. Plus he might be able to rush the QB in a pinch.

Posted by: clark202 | April 8, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what you mean here...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

don't really care for Loadholdt from reading some reports on him. Basically, he might be a bigger version of Jansen, too slow to deal with speed rushers. And with the abundance of speed rushers in the NFC east, that can't be good.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Two things: 1. Jansen was pretty doggone good his first five or so years in the league, until injuries and (I think) complacency started to take their toll; 2. Loadholdt is a right tackle, and most of your speed rushers are going to line up on the offense's left side, away from the tight end (for a clearer path to the QB).

From what I've read, Loadholdt is a real "road-grader" in the run game, which is what you want out of that position. I wouldn't be upset at all if the 'Skins were able to trade down from 13, pick up an extra pick or two, and grab Loadholdt somewhere in the second round.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what you mean here...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:13 PM |

He had Ramsey here he went out and traded a 3rd roud pick for Burnnell, who was about to be cut by Jacksonville. He then paid Brunell a ton of money when he didn't have to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Feel free to let your imaginations run wild with possible conversations at the Palm in Vegas: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/04/campbell_portis_snyder_and_hef.html

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

This just in...
What really happened to the Skins last year..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiqufxoTU3I&NR=1

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 wrote:
In reference to Gibbs
"What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut."
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Flounder21, I think Gibbs knew that Ramsey was not an NFL starter, and history has proven him to be right. Ramsey is now a career backup. Also, I don't think Campbell will be cut, if he does, he'll be a top notch QB in the league where ever he lands.

Posted by: clark202 | April 8, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Plan A: Draft RT if one of 4 are there and look for a Clint Stintim type in the 3rd
Plan B: Trade down if another team is willing, and grab a RT, DE, and LB in top 3 rounds.
Plan C: Take best available DE/LB at #13, best RT in 3rd, and use 5th, 6th for a tall WR and another LB.

Either way, next year's draft should be a C, RG, DE.

2010 could be a big year if we play it right.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 8, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

What if Michael Crabtree falls to 13?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 8, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Joey T. on Docs show he was talking about how he and Billy K. didn't get along at all.

He wanted the job and Billy didn't want to give it up.

Said he learned a ton from watching Sonny J.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Interesting... Hef and Snyder probably paid about the same for their respective escorts.
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Feel free to let your imaginations run wild with possible conversations at the Palm in Vegas: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/04/campbell_portis_snyder_and_hef.html

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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21, I think Gibbs knew that Ramsey was not an NFL starter, and history has proven him to be right. Ramsey is now a career backup. Also, I don't think Campbell will be cut, if he does, he'll be a top notch QB in the league where ever he lands.

Posted by: clark202 | April 8, 2009 12:20 PM |

History also prooved that Brunnell was a bum, we could have picked up for a Ham sandwich and some fries.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, I dont think Gibbs was perfect. But when he was here, offseasons improved greatly (and playoff appearances). I know you have some sort of vendetta against Gibbs, but you have to admit things improved under his leadership. They weren't perfect, but keep in mind Snyder was still there, Vinny stuck around and coaches probably had too much input in player acquisition. My point was its basically back to the snyder days under Norv and Spurrier. The only hope I see is for a return to the Schottenheimer days. Not that marty should be coach and/or GM. But someone compitent who has total control and doesnt cup Snyders balls like Vinny.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse


Wish JC would show the same fire and ambition.. That was back in the day you needed a job in the offseason to make ends meet.
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Joey T. on Docs show he was talking about how he and Billy K. didn't get along at all.

He wanted the job and Billy didn't want to give it up.

Said he learned a ton from watching Sonny J.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:23 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

What if Michael Crabtree falls to 13?

Posted by: skinfanman |

Trade back!!! Someone will move up.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

alan4: "Patrick Ramsey was an object lesson for JC17. Joe Gibbs banished Ramsey to the dark abyss because Gibbs absolutely despised turnovers. JC17 noticed. "

People forget what a conservative coach Gibbs was. For somebody who started out with Don Coryell, I mean. Gibbs was of the school that two thirds of NFL games are lost by one team's mistakes rather than won by the opponent. He was a big fan of the deep pass, but any QB who started 16 games and only threw 6 INTs, like Campbell did, would have been aces in Gibbs' book.

If Gibbs were still here, he'd respond to the sack problem by telling Jason to dump the ball off quicker. Zorn, on the other hand, urges him to take more chances, even run the ball if the opportunity presents.

Gibbs would hate that. Run the ball? The QB? Deliberately? What are you, nuts?

To see Zorn's ideal QB, we have to look at Matt Hasselbeck. A guy with a decent arm and an exceptional head, reasonable mobility and a willingness to stick the ball out there in traffic if necessary.

A QB coach who liked to cross defenses up with the run -- part of the reason Shawn Alexander was so successful -- but who ultimately saw the pass as the key to offensive excellence.

We should see more of the real Zorn this season. We'll see if Campbell can keep up.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

'...CP didn't even want all of those carries. But he was willing to put the team on his back if that meant winning....'

CP didn't want the carries?

Then what was last pre-season's "..I wish I could perform behind a better line.." WA PO whine session all about?

Any back who '...doesn't want the carries...' rests when he's hurt-- and CP played beat up in the second half of the season.

Portis wouldn't practice, but would show up to play--a sign of someone who wants carries if you ask me.

In fact, the team probably would have been better off giving Rock and Betts a shot once it was obvious to all Portis had taken one too many hits.

Point is, somehow the offense must be re-directed through the passing game early on to give Campbell and others some confidence in it. Portis is the one who must sacrifice his game for the good of the group.

And he'll do it 'cuz he understands being rested and ready for December/Jan. is better than being beat up and tired in October.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

VA,

I have no vendetta against Gibbs, I just don't like everyone blaming everything that happened in Gibbs 2.0 on other people. The Gibbs years have been the best under Snyder no doubt, he made some mistekes and he did some good things in FA's.

But if you think that if Gibbs was still here, that AH wouldn't be on this team your crazy.

We needed a stud DT and Snyder got one, I respect that I don't hold that aginst him.

We didn't give up any picks for him and his cap hit is not that bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Didnt Brunnell do what no other Redskin QB has done in last 17 years.. Take us to the playoffs and Win a playoff game?

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History also prooved that Brunnell was a bum, we could have picked up for a Ham sandwich and some fries.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:24 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: Portis, here's a passage from the Las Vegas Review Journal, via ESPN 980's Sports Reporters:

Spotted....at N9NE Steakhouse (Palms) on Saturday: [Hugh] Hefner, celebrating his 83rd birthday with girlfriends Karissa and Kristina Shannon and Crystal Harris and "Girls Next Door" Kendra (with her NFL boyfriend Hank Baskett) and Bridget, Eva Longoria, Jamie Foxx, Joe Don Rooney of Rascal Flatts, and Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder with star running back Clinton Portis.
Ok, there's an awful lot of commas there, and if I'm reading it correctly Snyder and Portis weren't technically hanging at the Palms with Hef and Kendra. But they were dang sure at the Palms in Vegas, hanging with each other. A total of, what, 64 hours after a gut-wrenching day in which Campbell seemed like he had his aces cracked?

So I'm gonna go ahead and say that maybe Portis is higher up Snyder's speed dial than Campbell. And man, what I wouldn't give for a transcript of a Snyder-Portis dinner date.

By Dan Steinberg | April 7, 2009; 11:01 PM ET |


NO news is No news.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

This guy Thomas doesn't sound like the answer. It really sounds like we swapped one injury prone linebacker (Washington) with another (Thomas). I realize they needed more depth here, but I would have been willing to see them take more of a reach here on a second year player or move Chris Wilson to linebacker. It's not all bad as it gives them a little more flexibility in the draft, but they still have to ask themselves if they have solved the lack of talent at linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Winning NFC East and a playoff game or two would probably do it.

Posted by: edvar |

I was hoping someone would post this. Not to call you out edvar. I agree with you assumption that it will take a deep run into the playoff, however will that a fair assessment? Romo hasn't even accomplished this with arguably the best offensive talent in the NFC. This is why I don't see how Campbell gets the benefit of the doubt even if he has solid numbers w/ this FO.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 11:54 AM |

I didn't say I was being fair, I was just saying for Snyder, that would probably do it.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Wish JC would show the same fire and ambition..."

What do want him to do? Punch out Todd Collins during mini-camp? Work his problems out through the media? I think this argument is hilarious.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Vendetta against Gibbs is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

HOF. Nuff said.

And how can you say Soup would be top notch anywhere? The problems he has would surface no matter who he played for. The question is, can he get past them this year? Soup has potential, but realizing it is another matter. If he was top notch, he would have been traded by the looks of what went down the last week or two.

And as far as Brunell goes - y'know if a guy saved my life during a heart attack and looked like my best option, I'd play him too. And didn't he make it to the playoffs?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Great post, Samson151.. ref Zorn.. His ideal QB is much like Hasselback..and also it was the way Zorn played. Thats why, if Zorn survives 09 and is still with the Skins, if he has a say in the 2010 Draft he will beg for Tebow. Although, according to reports.. Belichick is jones'in for Tebow as Brady's replacement.
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A QB coach who liked to cross defenses up with the run -- part of the reason Shawn Alexander was so successful -- but who ultimately saw the pass as the key to offensive excellence.

We should see more of the real Zorn this season. We'll see if Campbell can keep up.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 12:28 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Wish JC would show the same fire and ambition.. That was back in the day you needed a job in the offseason to make ends meet.
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Joey T. on Docs show he was talking about how he and Billy K. didn't get along at all.

He wanted the job and Billy didn't want to give it up.

Said he learned a ton from watching Sonny J.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:23 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:26 PM |

Doc always says it was Joey T. who went to Gibbs after the 0-5 start and told him they needed to change or they were going to continue to lose.

Joey T. was a fighter, I thought Gibbs stayed with him to long in the end though.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Didnt Brunnell do what no other Redskin QB has done in last 17 years.. Take us to the playoffs and Win a playoff game?

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History also prooved that Brunnell was a bum, we could have picked up for a Ham sandwich and some fries.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:24 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:30 PM |

Thanks almost entirley to a very good running game and a top 5 defense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe- You failed to realize that WE HAD NO PASSING GAME LAST YEAR.

Again, show me where CP26 said he wanted 25-30 carries. He actually said at the beginning of the seas on that he wanted about 15 carries and average 10 yds/carry.

Why practice when you give your all on Sundays? He needed the week to recover. What's your beef with that? Don't let that Zorn CoachSpeak cloud your judgement. Other starters weren't practicing, but yet CP gets called out. Kendell NEVER practiced on Wednesday. LFB went about 4/5 weeks w/o practicing. Etc., etc....

A hurt Portis is waaay better than a 100% Betts or Rock.

Portis is waiting for the passing game too. He would rather have a better avg/carry vs. more carries.

Come out of the insane asylum, buddy.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Im not sure what the exact cap numbers on AH are (im sure someone will post them again after reading this). But I think they aren't so bad this season, but after that he's counting a WHOLE lot for one player. And if he doesnt produce... big time gamble didnt pay off and it hurts the team for years to come.

I would contend that Gibbs put much more value in players personality, character, past issues than the currenty FO does. So maybe he would, maybe he wouldnt but I dont think anyone would be crazy to think Gibbs wouldnt have pursued AH.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

AH cap hit,

2009 7mil
2010 8.8mil
2011 10.6mil

This league is about winning, not having a bunch of choir boys on your team.

Take a look at the rosters of the SB teams of Gibbs, I know he didn't have final say back then but he had some say.

There were some bad guys on those teams but they could play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Didnt Brunnell do what no other Redskin QB has done in last 17 years.. Take us to the playoffs and Win a playoff game?

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History also prooved that Brunnell was a bum, we could have picked up for a Ham sandwich and some fries.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:24 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:30 PM |

Thanks almost entirley to a very good running game and a top 5 defense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:38 PM |


Yes,

Lots of bums have led teams to the playoffs, hell some bums have even won SB's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Look at Campbell last preseason when he was competing with Collins/Colt. et al.. He was sharp and involved.. It carried over to a 6-2 start. But, I observed while attending a few home games, a huge change the last games of the year (meaningful games too). He stopped engaging the teammates, he stopped conferencing with Zorn between series of downs. Didnt even bother to look at the def alignment photos sent from the coaches box. He just sat there motionless.
Read his quotes, too.. Read the one in this blog (about an hour ago). No mention of Playoffs, Championship, etc.. Just "be there for my teammates". "be the best I can be"...ahhhhh.. The guy is a complacent loser. Not hungry at all..
13 tds and 3200 yards in a 16 game season, 3 passes total over 40 yards (2 of them were YACs). Thats about a half season output for a top one-third to average NFL QB.
Maybe this is why no Contract extension and an Owner who was shopping him for a 2nd rounder (see WaPo and NFL.Com). And we'll never know who turned that down.
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"Wish JC would show the same fire and ambition..."

What do want him to do? Punch out Todd Collins during mini-camp? Work his problems out through the media? I think this argument is hilarious.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 12:34 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Joey T.

Was just talking abouyt the beer trailer for all the Hogs, and how he got invited in once.

I wonder how having a beer trailer for the O-Line would play today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

There were some bad guys on those teams but they could play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I just hope AH can play. And I wouldnt be stickin up for Brunnell saying he took the team to the playoffs... that was the running game and defense. Didnt Brunnell have the worst QB stats ever for a team winning a playoff game vs Tampa?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I would contend that Gibbs put much more value in players personality, character, past issues than the currenty FO does. So maybe he would, maybe he wouldnt but I dont think anyone would be crazy to think Gibbs wouldnt have pursued AH.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:41 PM

Let's See:

Dexter Manley, Riggo,, Gary Clark, Portis, Sean Taylor (who had some charcter isues in college) are character issues I can think of off top of my head.

I would tend to think that Gibbs would take AH as well. JT55? I highly doubt it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Theisman is on the locker room? Im getting a baseball game on my radio...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Theisman just said he was about to be traded, that first year because Gibbs wasn't sure he wanted to be his QB.

The Skins were going to trade Theis. for Eric Hippel from detroit. The same night the trade was discussed, Hippel threw for 300 yards and 3 TD's and the Lions nixed the trade.

Can you imagine if that trade had been pulled off.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Forgot...

I went to the DC Armor football game on Saturday. IT was eh, so so. We got smashed by 20.

All footballs thrown outside of the field you getto keep. One guy infront of me was fighting for a football with a 10 year old.

Did I mention, that said guy was fighting the 10 year old for the football with a INFANT IN HIS ARMS! Every one was like wtf is wrong with you during, but afterwards we all were laughing at it. My son was 0 - 24 in trying to recieve a football. I think about 2K people showed up.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I just hope AH can play. And I wouldnt be stickin up for Brunnell saying he took the team to the playoffs... that was the running game and defense. Didnt Brunnell have the worst QB stats ever for a team winning a playoff game vs Tampa?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:56 PM |

Va,

I hope he can play to, he has shown he can play very well but you never know what will happen when the season starts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse


Theisman is on the locker room? Im getting a baseball game on my radio...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 12:58 PM

Here you go......


http://radiotime.com/station/s_23102/ESPN_980.aspx

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's See:

Dexter Manley, Riggo,, Gary Clark, Portis, Sean Taylor (who had some charcter isues in college) are character issues I can think of off top of my head.

I would tend to think that Gibbs would take AH as well. JT55? I highly doubt it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse


I was born in 1980, so I can say I remember seeing Gibbs 1.0, but cant say I remeber much aside from the 91 SB which I still have taped on VHS. I do know that Gibbs wasnt GM back then, though Im sure he had some input on player acquisition. But did any of those guys (dexter, clark, riggo, etc.) stomp a players helmetless face during a game? I tend to think that would strike a chord in his religious heart and disuade him from pursuing Prince Albert. Anyone got Joes cell #? We can clear this up right now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Theeesman said the Cowboys F'd up by releasing T.O.

I agree.

He just Charley Taylor was T.O. before T.O. was T.O......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm not hanging my hat on Brunell, I'm saying he was the QB on a team that had many similar characteristics to this one (weak lines, running focus at least in the first 6 games, and a staunch D) and made the playoffs.

Brunell was over. WAY over. But he was the only option. ... and they did make it further than last years team.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Is RedDMV out there and, if so, who do you have in the Frozen Four tomorrow night?

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I was born in 1980, so I can say I remember seeing Gibbs 1.0, but cant say I remeber much aside from the 91 SB which I still have taped on VHS. I do know that Gibbs wasnt GM back then, though Im sure he had some input on player acquisition. But did any of those guys (dexter, clark, riggo, etc.) stomp a players helmetless face during a game? I tend to think that would strike a chord in his religious heart and disuade him from pursuing Prince Albert. Anyone got Joes cell #? We can clear this up right now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:07 PM |

No but Dexter was doing coke in the locker room.

Riggo was a raving drunk who game to games hungover.

Clark was a total d-bag who cussed out coaches and players.

Stomping on the cowgirls face was a in the game heat of the moment thing, that doesn't bother me. He has never had any other problems on the field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I was born in 1980, so I can say I remember seeing Gibbs 1.0, but cant say I remeber much aside from the 91 SB which I still have taped on VHS. I do know that Gibbs wasnt GM back then, though Im sure he had some input on player acquisition. But did any of those guys (dexter, clark, riggo, etc.) stomp a players helmetless face during a game? I tend to think that would strike a chord in his religious heart and disuade him from pursuing Prince Albert. Anyone got Joes cell #? We can clear this up right now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:07 PM


HaHaHa. I too was born in 1980 (but conceived in the 70s)! So no excuses buddy (kidding).

Dexter Manly kilt that Cowgirl Danny White fellow in the NFC Championship Game (that's when face stomping was still legal in the NF of L).

Anyway, who cares about the face stomping? It was against the Cowboys. He'll be seeing Gourde twice a year!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, I heard Quincy Carter is playing in that league on a contract that pays him $200 a game. His pockets are crooked, especially if they have a bye week.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Brunell had one advantage to JC now, he was a vet and you cant pull off a zone on him like you can a young qb.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ofcourse we were both 3 years old when that happened, but I have seen the tape. It was ugly.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

LearnedHand
He is playing in the IFL, indoor football league http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Football_League

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

And Riggo admitted before he had liqour in his water bottle he would drink in the 4th QTR....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"He stopped engaging the teammates, he stopped conferencing with Zorn between series of downs. Didnt even bother to look at the def alignment photos sent from the coaches box. He just sat there motionless.
Read his quotes, too.. Read the one in this blog (about an hour ago). No mention of Playoffs, Championship, etc.. Just "be there for my teammates". "be the best I can be"...ahhhhh.. The guy is a complacent loser. Not hungry at all.."

haha, whatever you say stalker.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach & Fedor,

Chimaira was phenomenal last night! You should def see them if you get the chance.

:D

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Based on FO predictability, Danny boy and his monkey will select a quarterback sending even stronger signal to Jason that he is not wanted here.

Posted by: thewayitis | April 8, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

zzzzz.. joe t. talking about golf.. on espn radio

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

'....Come out of the insane asylum, buddy...'

Why leave?

For where I am, I see a predictable redskins offense supported by a fanbase that thinks it's 1985 and a power running game wins championships.

From where I am, I watched both Brandon Jacobs and Brian Westbrook get beat up, and the jints/iggles shut them down to rest. Portis got beat up and kept playing when his back ups--Betts/Rock--should've gotten carries.

From where I am, a hurt guy at mid season at 80% does not make more sense than two fresh guys at 100%--especially since teams crowd the line, take away the running game, then blitz to take away the passing game--which is why we didn't have one after 6-2, btw.

From where I am, I saw Edgerrin James take fewer carries to allow the cards passing game to get them to the playoffs. Once they were there, his legs were fresh enough to be depended on.

The final point is what I think about when I consider how the skins should appraoch next season. And if that's crazy, well, I guess insanity beats mediocrity at 8-8 every time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

All the dirty stuff that goes on in those piles (and elsewhere) it's a wonder there aren't more outright fights.

Prince Albert was vicious, but the league laid out it's penalty and he did his time.

As far as off the field trouble, I thought he'd had his share too, though. I know he plead innocent, but didn't he run over somebody? And he chased down a teammate with a foot long pole (huhuhuhuhu)..

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"the ball is in jason's hands"

(insert joke here _________)


Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 8, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Is someone saying Dexter hit Danny White with a cheap shot? I don’t remember that. In the 82 Champ game he sacked White with a clean hit. When White went down his head slammed against the turf and KO’ed him……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As usual we(fans) expect JC to do far and away more than we ask of anybody else. We gave Jeff George guarantees. We gave Todd Collins Guarantess, but non for Campbell. Why? What is different about Campbell?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Stomping on the cowgirls face was a in the game heat of the moment thing, that doesn't bother me. He has never had any other problems on the field.


Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I dont have a problem w someone stomping on a cowboys face. You would already know this if you were at my house when I was watching the game live and laughing and cheering. Im just arguing that Gibbs may have had a problem w it. Were beating a dead horse, so Im moving on...

matthewvickers:

I think Im going to see chimaira in a few weeks. If im not mistaken, theyre opening up for Killswitch at the National in Richmond. Ive seen a few of their videos, theyre not bad. BUt Im picky about music to the nth degree.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

y'kno all this QB discussion is taking away from the main point:

Robert Thomas. And is he better than, say, LEIGH TORRENCE??!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

As usual we(fans) expect JC to do far and away more than we ask of anybody else. We gave Jeff George guarantees. We gave Todd Collins Guarantess, but non for Campbell. Why? What is different about Campbell?
Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 8, 2009 1:24 PM

You lost me. What did we (the fans) guarantee about Jeff George and Todd Collins?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

i really think we could have put this money to better use (reportedly 1.3 mil) its great we got another special team linebacker but we got a ton of those we can only play 11 at one time need someone to start around here

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

'...Danny boy and his monkey will select a quarterback sending even stronger signal to Jason that he is not wanted here....'


So sad, so true, but yet, a strong possiblity.

If it's Sanchez, well, he'll have his own triplets--Davis, Thomas, Kelly--to grow up with.

The questions is, do youstart him on e day one or make him sit to watch JC finish out his career here.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

'...Danny boy and his monkey will select a quarterback sending even stronger signal to Jason that he is not wanted here....'


So sad, so true, but yet, a strong possiblity.

If it's Sanchez, well, he'll have his own triplets--Davis, Thomas, Kelly--to grow up with.

The questions is, do you start him on day one or make him sit to watch JC finish out his career here.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is nothing but a back up.
Take a slb with the 13th pick.
Avoid USC's Matt Sanchez: new slogan- Let's Do It Without the Trojan.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009

He's a good special teams player and a better than adequate starter. Seems better at the WLB not SLB given his size and better speed. Rocky would move over to MWash's position.

They are trying Chris Wilson at LB as well, hopefully Jackson.

He will make a good "package" player.

Yet here be Vinny, the new Jim Bowden, scrounging around for guys who are trying to come back from injury, team politics, or life choices. All because of the salary cap.

Marcus Washington is what they need, along with Thomas.

They need OT/OG first ... then LB and DE. And Moe as you like to point out that pick may end up getting them a much better CB than players at those positions. Yet another critical need.

Every pundit on RI and everywhere else knows they really would be better off with 2 or 3 second rounders (close to the top (again)) and a couple of 3rds (close to the top). More importantly, someone besides the owner and his sidekick to make the right choices.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

really think we could have put this money to better use (reportedly 1.3 mil) its great we got another special team linebacker but we got a ton of those we can only play 11 at one time need someone to start around here

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 8, 2009 1:32 PM |

Vet min. is not 1.3mil, probably more like 400 thou.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez and Stafford will be long gone by the 13th pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Redskins signed LB Robert Thomas, formerly of the Raiders, to a one-year, $1.3 million contract. He can make another $600K via incentives.
He played just two games last season due to hamstring and knee injuries. The undersized, always injury-prone Thomas is highly unlikely to solve Washington's woes at strong-side linebacker. H.B. Blades should still be the favorite to start.

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And Riggo admitted before he had liqour in his water bottle he would drink in the 4th QTR....
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009

At the end Riggo was addicted to his oxygen mask. Had a hard time leaving it behind on the side lines. I think Oxygen bars started because of Riggo.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins signed LB Robert Thomas, formerly of the Raiders, to a one-year, $1.3 million contract. He can make another $600K via incentives.
He played just two games last season due to hamstring and knee injuries. The undersized, always injury-prone Thomas is highly unlikely to solve Washington's woes at strong-side linebacker. H.B. Blades should still be the favorite to start.

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 8, 2009 1:36 PM |

Where are you getting that from?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Lions Locking In On Stafford
Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2009, 11:51 a.m. EDT
Though they’ve done a fairly good job of keeping people guessing about their true intentions, we’re told that the Detroit Lions currently plan to take quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first pick in the 2009 draft.

If what we’re hearing and how we’re hearing it is part of the smokescreen process, then they’re doing a fabulous job of it.

Based on the organization’s recent history, however, it’s more likely that they aren’t quite as crafty about spreading misinformation as this specific tactic would require. (For obvious reasons, we can’t disclose how we obtained the information.)

Although as to the other teams there’s no strategic reason to conceal the identity of the player they plan to draft since the Lions get the first pick, there’s a separate shell game as it relates to negotiating a contract.

Given that Michigan tackle Jake Long received $30 million guaranteed last year on a five-year deal, a quarterback taken in the first overall slot will likely want $35 million guaranteed on a five-year contract — and more than $40 million guaranteed on a six-year deal.

That said, there’s a ceiling on the maximum possible guaranteed money that a rookie can receive, in light of the rookie salary pool (which limits the total payout to all of a team’s first-year players) and the rules regarding the extent to which the contract can grow in future seasons.

Whatever the ceiling is, Stafford will surely want it all, if he’s the first overall pick.

Two years ago, the Raiders took quarterback JaMarcus Russell in the No. 1 spot. A lengthy holdout, which stretched into September, washed out any chance of getting meaningful playing time as a rookie. He eventually appeared in four games, starting one and generating a passer rating of 55.9.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What about all the flashy FA's Gibbs signed, Gibbs didn't show any patience.

What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

RAMSEY WAS SCRAMBLED EGGS AFTER SPURRIER AND HIS NO PROTECTION SCHEME. HE WAS DONE. JUST LOOK AT HIM NOW. 3RD STRING WITH THE TITANS. AS FOR BRUNELL, HE GAVE UP A 3RD ROUND PICK, BUT HE SQUEEZED OUT 1 PLAYOFF RUN WITH HIM.

Posted by: SKIN4LIFE05 | April 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Dexter Manly kilt that Cowgirl Danny White fellow in the NFC Championship Game (that's when face stomping was still legal in the NF of L).
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009

Manley knocked both Staubach and White completely out of the NFL. The guy was a monster head hunter on special teams. Teams had to double and triple team him on the specials when he first came into the league ... he was a holy terror.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

rotoworld

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Didnt Brunnell do what no other Redskin QB has done in last 17 years.. Take us to the playoffs and Win a playoff game?"

Brad Johnson says...Ummm, fellas, some love, please????

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 8, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What about patience with Ramsey, he went out and spent a ton of money and a draft pick on a guy about to get cut.
Posted by: Flounder21 | April 8, 2009

That was Ramsey not Gibbs flounder. His agent started in on Snidely about a trade right after he got Brunell. He was observed with Snidely at Blackie's.

Ramsay pulled a Schroeder. Gibbs was not going to field a team with just one QB the way Spurrier did. Gibbs knew better and so should have Ramsey. If he had stayed he might be starting now. He is the one who made the mistake in wanting to leave.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

Cool, that's probably the Music As Our Weapon tour, right? There were like seven bands that played last night. Didn't catch many of them, but I remember Bury Your Dead and Spineshank, then Chimaira, LuCuna Coil & Distrubed.

No Killswitch because they wanted to play a metal awards show in Vegas, last night.
So it was pretty lame. All expect for Chimaira.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"But did any of those guys (dexter, clark, riggo, etc.) stomp a players helmetless face during a game? I tend to think that would strike a chord in his religious heart and disuade him from pursuing Prince Albert. Anyone got Joes cell #? We can clear this up right now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"


oh come on

that one incident

and it was a Cowboy

I still say he should have incentive clauses in his contract for more money per crushed Cowgirl face.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"And finally, Rey Maualga has a strong rookie season as the team's starting slb while the two rookie offensive linemen the team drafted get significant playing time at right guard and center."

Maualga is a middle linebacker and has about no chance in moving to the outside. He is not a likely target to move outside since he isn't a quality pass rusher and he struggles in pass coverage. He's not quick enough to be a WLB and strong enough to be a SLB. His best bet is to be a 3-4 inside backer so he can just focus on stopping the run. I really don't see what the hype is with this guy...its not as if USC players are tearing it up in the NFL (only Tatupa and Polumalu have been successful defensive players since Carrol got to USC). Or that Maualga has great measureables. He played on a great defense in a weak conferance next to two quality linebackers Matthews and Cushing. Now i'm not saying Maualga has no upside but outside of going to a 3-4 system i see him as an average starter and not worth a first round pick.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

oh come on

that one incident

and it was a Cowboy

I still say he should have incentive clauses in his contract for more money per crushed Cowgirl face.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You should read my last comment on this...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope Chris Wilson can cover! It would be sweet to see him own that position.

I agree with siris who said, 'Thomas more as a replacement for Khary Campbell as a backup WLB who could challenge for the starting WLB position in camp.'

Hey Golston, Sign Your Tender, please.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 8, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers:

yeah, its music as a weapon tour. Chamaira, Lacuna Coil (cristina scabbia is sooo freakin sexy) and KSE. I wish Disturbed was playing too. No love for disturbed on here? There last 3 albumns are good, Im not a fan of the 1st one.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Manley knocked both Staubach and White completely out of the NFL. The guy was a monster head hunter on special teams. Teams had to double and triple team him on the specials when he first came into the league ... he was a holy terror.
Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 1:41 PM |

Not trying to start an argument or anything but I’m not sure where you’re getting that from Peri…..Staubach retired after the 79 season and Manley was a rookie in 81. I don’t remember Danny White’s career ending (in 1988) b/c of anything Manley did either…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Is someone saying Dexter hit Danny White with a cheap shot? I don’t remember that. In the 82 Champ game he sacked White with a clean hit. When White went down his head slammed against the turf and KO’ed him……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 1:23 PM

I didn't say 'cheap shot'. I said kilt.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

There is no need to use a franchise tag on Campbell. He will be a restricted FA in 2010, not unrestricted. Add to this that the CBA rules in 2010 make very difficult to negotiate a large contracts, bonuses and guaranteed money are applied differently in 2010, and the top eight teams in 2009 are limited in what they can offer another teams FA's, restricted or otherwise.

So, even if he plays well his options are limited. If there is no CBA in place by the end of 2009 to supersede the current one then look for a one year deal no matter where he lands. Also if there is no deal in place by the end of the 2010 season 2011 will likely end up a lockout year. There is little incentive on either side to negotiate a long term deal if they think they can do better with a new CBA.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | April 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"I’m not sure where you’re getting that from Peri…..Staubach retired after the 79 season and Manley was a rookie in 81. I don’t remember Danny White’s career ending (in 1988) b/c of anything Manley did either…..Posted by: dlhaze1"

Same place most of the rest of that stuff comes from.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This guy is fast, quick and nasty. Wish we had a 2nd round pick. Zack Follett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1VsDp1Jq7U

Posted by: oldtimer4 | April 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"I just hope AH can play. And I wouldnt be stickin up for Brunnell saying he took the team to the playoffs... that was the running game and defense. Didnt Brunnell have the worst QB stats ever for a team winning a playoff game vs Tampa?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

Didn't Brunell also have a broken John Jansen, and Ray FREAKIN' Brown (who was no spring chicken) blocking for him in that playoff game?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Golston, Sign Your Tender, please.

Posted by: matthewvickers"

Hold your breath and pray that Golston does NOT sign the tender and actually gets signed elsewhere.

Then say hello to a second round draft selection.

Of course, I guess I'd be okay with getting the consolation of Golston in uniform again. The power of the tender!!

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Thomas is a good special teams guy who was taken too high by one of those geniuses who drafts for the other NFL teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Brunell also have a broken John Jansen, and Ray FREAKIN' Brown (who was no spring chicken) blocking for him in that playoff game?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Im not sure who the starting OL was in 2005, but I know that Brunnell had a rubber chicken for a throwing arm. All the defense had to do was cover 10 to 15 yards downfield and they couldnt pass effectively. Doesnt really matter who the OL is if the QB is that bad off. I know the team finished strong winning 5 games? on the strength of their running game.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

brunell = baby arm. Not worth talking about.
JC17 will have a pro bowl season this year. book it!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Disturbed is good at what they do, and their guitarist has really stepped his game up in the last few albums. Disturbed, also, puts on an excellent show.

IDK? I kind of feel the same way about Disturbed as I do Slipknot; I think they're really good at what they do but I'm not that huge of a fan.

psp, Golston is suppose to replace Griff over the next couple of seasons. There's a discussion: What's worth more to you? A second round pick, or a stud DT?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 8, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

marvin harrison and torry holt still out there. Edwin mulitalo, jamie winborn, chris mccallister,ken lucas, joe jurevicious..MATT JONES!! Talk about your red zone NBA center!! THATS a good cheap alternative to the tall redzone wr dilemma..Just so long as he's not too manley a man..

Posted by: frak | April 8, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder may be willing to give up a bunch of picks to move up to get Sanchez or Stafford. He gave up a bunch of picks to move up get JC17 (a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd rounder).

He was evidently prepared to give up a bunch of picks, including a couple of 1st rounders, to get Cutler.

The one thing he's not prepared to give up, it seems, is his reckless impatience... which causes him to keep giving up all these draft picks in search of a quick fix with which he is never satisfied.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"psp, Golston is suppose to replace Griff over the next couple of seasons. There's a discussion: What's worth more to you? A second round pick, or a stud DT?

Posted by: matthewvickers"

A stud DT would clearly be more valuable. But Golston is not that. He's a solid, workman, rotational DT. Good player, but not a stud (nowhere near it, in fact). And given this team's depth at that position, I'd most certainly take a 2nd rounder over Golston right now.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

WHO??!!!THOMAS??THE OWNER OF WENDY'S?!!SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHO THIS GUY IS!!!PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | April 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and Vinnie are the issues here. If we had the draft picks we have squandered we would have a shot at filling some holes and making a deep run into the playoffs.
Earlier someone asked what it would take for Snyder to sign JC17 to an extension. the answer is a home playoff win. nothing less. Danny boy knows $$$ a home playoff wins brings in the loot and gets JC17 a deal...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"psp, Golston is suppose to replace Griff over the next couple of seasons. There's a discussion: What's worth more to you? A second round pick, or a stud DT?

Posted by: matthewvickers"

A stud DT would clearly be more valuable. But Golston is not that. He's a solid, workman, rotational DT. Good player, but not a stud (nowhere near it, in fact). And given this team's depth at that position, I'd most certainly take a 2nd rounder over Golston right now.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 2:20 PM


Montgomery will become the stud out of the two....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

A stud DT would clearly be more valuable. But Golston is not that. He's a solid, workman, rotational DT. Good player, but not a stud (nowhere near it, in fact). And given this team's depth at that position, I'd most certainly take a 2nd rounder over Golston right now.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, completely.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness DC sports fans have the miseries of the Nats' season to provide such a nice distraction from the miseries of the Skins' offseason... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Nobody posting here knows what criteria Dan Snyder will apply when making decisions on Jason Campbell. That's the thing: we don't know, we can't know, and we won't know until Campbell leaves or is re-signed.

Utterly maddening. If only I could take the same Zen approach that Campbell himself is apparently taking.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I knew about this hours before it was posted here because it was on Redskins.com. Can I be considered a "Redskins Insider"?

Posted by: punchdaclock | April 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate,

>"If only I could take the same Zen approach that Campbell himself is apparently taking."

Soups definitely has a career as an instructor of anger-management courses after his NFL run! Cool as they come.

Posted by: swowra | April 8, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

anyone care to explain how Golston could give us a second?

Haven't heard that whole story.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness DC sports fans have the miseries of the Nats' season to provide such a nice distraction from the miseries of the Skins' offseason... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2009 2:24 PM

Hey - We are ONLY down 5-2 with 4 innings to go......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

nateinthepdx

'...Nobody posting here knows what criteria Dan Snyder will apply when making decisions on Jason Campbell...'


You are so right.

If they don't make the playoffs, but Campbell has a great season, do you re-sign him for big bucks?

If Campbell gets hurt as the o-line isn't better, do you blame him for what the FO didn't really fix by adding talent?

If they have a quick playoff exit, do you re-sign him?

If Collins does finish the season due to a Campbell injury and the team doesn't make the playoffs, do you re-sign him?

In any scenario, the standard Campbell has to hit is very high. Which suggests to Moe that this might be Campbell's final go around as whenver that's the case, most folks are too hard to please.

I say put the ball in Campbell's hands and let him prove his worth. There's a strong qb class next year to save us should it all go wrong anyways.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure either, Nate, but it does always seem to match with the tactics employed when Franchise building in a video game...

I can also envision him wearing a "Lucky" redskins toque and wearing Dr. Do Itch Big sunglasses.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze1-
no one is sure where periculum gets his information. Don't waste your time reading his nonsense..

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 8, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And just offhand - if Soup wins two games in the playoffs, he gets paid. If he wins one game, he gets a minor extension. If he gets there but looses - they go shopping.

I don't think his #'s performance would save him if he doesn't succeed...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

Golston is a restricted free agent. The tender the skins offered would yield a second round pick should some team decide to go with Golston.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle, I sent you an email but have received no reply. Nothing urgent but want to reach you.

Please hit me at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com when you have a chance.

Merci.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

WHO??!!!THOMAS??THE OWNER OF WENDY'S?!!SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHO THIS GUY IS!!!PLEASE!!!!
Posted by: joe12341 | April 8, 2009

Former 1st round pick. Starter up until injury precluded that last year. Scouts ranks him higher than both Blades and McIntosh. He is the fastest linebacker right now (unless/until Wilson converts).

Basically consider him a starter but not an impact player like an MWash or Fletcher.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

oops - sorry to be off tha grid, Nate. Things changed a bit since I'm bak in DC. Will check emails now & hit u up asap!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And just offhand - if Soup wins two games in the playoffs, he gets paid. If he wins one game, he gets a minor extension. If he gets there but looses - they go shopping. I don't think his #'s performance would save him if he doesn't succeed...
Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009

I don't know why Snyder bought this team or is even a fan ... Soups represents the way things used to be under Gibbs 1.0. Based on Kiper's comments about what he needs to do (which I think came from a discussion with Vinny and perhaps Snidely ...) he needs to be more like Colt. In other words: Joey 'T". But Joey "T" was not a franchise QB, and his behavior less than exemplary ... sex with Kathy Lee animal show hostess over winning the super bowl? And the guy's wife was so hot they put her in playboy.
Rocket screen to Howie Long ... then the following year he played terrible right to when LT broke his leg in two like a toothpick.

Theismann was brash ... changed the pronunciation of his name to rhyme with Heismann. Theismann was cocky, Theismann likes to talk ... a lot.

BUT Theismann never gave up ... never stopped playing hard even when they were down by 50 points. When everyone else was just going through the motions he was still playing, still fighting. You could see it.

And that was why he started and was favored by Joe Gibbs and staff.

Snidely needs to stop thinking about the past and trying to make the future look like it. He needs to read Eckhart Tolle's book. Get into the present, work with the people he has right now. Get it done.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Montgomery will become the stud out of the two....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse
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Not unless Monty gets his head out of his ass. He played really soft last year, after flashing signs of great potential in 2007.

Golston is the much better of the two right now. I agree Montgomery has better upside, but I don't think he wants to work for anything.

Maybe since he's in a contract year it will get his rump into the proper gear.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 8, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell has a limited shot at having a breakout year. The Skins offense, at the moment, isn't much different than what finished 2008. Dock replaced Kendall, but Kendall was one of our better OL in 2008. Everyone else got a year older. Campbell is the only starter that I'd expect to improve with age.

Unless we get a RT that can play at this level from day 1 and/or one of the 2008 rooks steps up at WR, the 2009 offense is pretty much the 2008 offense.

Which means we'll need to win with defense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Icetotalpackage wrote:

I believe that JC will have a very good year if three things happens.

1. They fix the O Line

2. The rooks from last year step up.

3. Better play calling from Zorn.

Did I say they need to fix the O Line?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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I agree. But also, isn't it Campbell's job now as the veteran quarterback to get the 2nd-year receivers out of the nightclubs and onto the practice field?

Other posters also have written that Thomas and Kelly have to decide to get going this year for Campbell to succeed.

I would point out that it's partly Campbell's job to get on those guys and make sure they are putting in the effort and practice time to be successful. He should be throwing to them after working out. He should be running through the pass plays with them and making sure they go the right distance before making their cuts, run the right routes, work back to him if the play breaks down, etc. He needs to show leadership and get those guys on the practice field with him and not just throw up his hands next fall and say "they didn't want to put in the time and work out with me."

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 8, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Golston, Sign Your Tender, please.

Posted by: matthewvickers"

Hold your breath and pray that Golston does NOT sign the tender and actually gets signed elsewhere.

Then say hello to a second round draft selection.

Of course, I guess I'd be okay with getting the consolation of Golston in uniform again. The power of the tender!!

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Golston than another draft pick that Snyderatto can screw up.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 8, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Other posters also have written that Thomas and Kelly have to decide to get going this year for Campbell to succeed.

Everyone needs to stop having any sort of expectations where Kelly is concerned. He had knee problems through college and they have become progressively worst through his 1st year in the pros. He is not someone you should rely on other than in some kind of a supporting role.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Rocket screen to Howie Long ... "

That was Jack Squirek

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

rb-freedom-for-all

Yes, JC needs to get on them. You have to remember that Thomas/Kelly are grown men. If they don't want to do it there is nothing JC or anyone else can do to force them.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 8, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

'...The tender the skins offered would yield a second round pick should some team decide to go with Golston....'


Don't get your hopes up.

I can't see a team giving up a second round pick for Golston when they could take the pick and get a guy very much like him themselves.

Only crabs and mediocre teams make lateral moves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Robert Thomas (if 100% healthy)was a great pick-up.

Marcus Washington must not allow his ego to rule his reason.

Like Daniels, he must understand that he is NOT the player he once was.

I believe in the end...he will sign.

#13 pick Clay Matthews JR, a 3 down backer

Bloodline baby...can't go wrong

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 8, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

'....I think Campbell has a limited shot at having a breakout year. The Skins offense, at the moment, isn't much different than what finished 2008....'


So true.

To get big money, Campbell has to put lipstick on a burgandy and gold pig.

How appropriate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, Golston or a 2nd round pick? Since 2000, our 2nd round draft picks have been:
Smoot, Betts, Taylor Jacobs, Rocky and last years trio -- Davis, Thomas and Kelly.

Are any of those guys better than Golston?

Keep Golston

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

'....Marcus Washington must not allow his ego to rule his reason....'


Sir, our hope is that Rey Maualga is wearing #53 next fall.

The sand has run to the bottom of Marcus Washington's professional hourglass.

Let's get young, fast, and hungry.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Kendall will resign and him and Randy Thomas can battle for the RG spot.

Draft an OT in round 1

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 8, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Still say the Skins best shot in 2009 is to get Curry from Wake (if he's everything I hear, he should be an instant success).

Why?

1. Because Skins are weak at OLB.
2. Rookie LBs have made big contributions (Merriman, Willis, Mayo)
3. We can run a lot of nickel with 2 LBs
4. This defense needs another top athlete to go from good to elite.
5. You can win with an elite defense and an offense that makes few mistakes
6. Our QB was the best in football at not making mistakes -- only 6 picks all year.

After Curry, use every other pick on the OL. Hope for a surprise.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

z, brilliance.....simply brilliance.

keep em coming...what do you suppose it would take to move up to say, either the first or second pick in the ENTIRE DRAFT to get him???

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness DC sports fans have the miseries of the Nats' season to provide such a nice distraction from the miseries of the Skins' offseason... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2009 2:24 PM

The Nats couldn't be more irrelevant. The real excitement is the NBA lottery where the worst shall be first. We're #1! We're #1!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

anyone care to explain how Golston could give us a second?

Haven't heard that whole story.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse
they tendered an offer to him at the 2nd rd compensation level

Posted by: paperwc | April 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It's not about the number of playoff games we win with JC17 at the helm it's how many HOME games we win...to play at home we will have to win the NFC East and that speaks volumes. It will also fill Snyder's pockets and that translates into signing the QB to a healthy extension...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Beantown -- you know most teams don't want the top couple picks because those teams need so many guys ... plus those picks cost a bunch of $$$ that 3-13 teams are reluctant to spend. Not hard to get one of those teams to part with a top pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If Golston signs elsewhere, that team has to surrender a 2ns round pick?? Fly Kedric, fly like the wind!!!

Not gonna happen. He's not worth a 4th round pick on the open market. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but I cannot see a team paying such a steep price for an average young DT.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Scout.com's Ed Thompson has learned that USC quarterback Mark Sanchez and Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji will be visiting the Washington Redskins this month.

Scout.com has been told that USC quarterback Mark Sanchez and defensive tackle B.J. Raji have both scheduled official visits with the Washington Redskins.

The Redskins currently hold the 13th pick in the first-round of the NFL Draft, which will be held later this month in New York City.

Sanchez, Scout.com's top-rated quarterback in this year's draft class, is scheduled to visit the Washington Redskins on April 17-18, immediately following his visits to the Rams on the 14th-15th and the Lions on the 16th-17th.

As previously reported by Scout.com, Sanchez had a private workout with Washington on March 25.

Team officials were obviously impressed by what they saw.

Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell's future in the nation's capital doesn't look very bright. The Redskins were one of the teams who discussed potential trade possibilities with the Denver Broncos when Jay Cutler was put on the open market this month. Now, it appears, Washington is considering adding a young quarterback who could step into the starter's role no later than next year since Campbell is in the final year of his contract.

Boston College DT B.J. Raji is scheduled to make his official visit with the Redskins on April 15-16, according to a source.

Raji will then hop on a plane to Cleveland for a visit with the Cleveland Browns. The 6-foot-2, 334-pound lineman began a visit this evening with the New York Jets, and he's already met with the Buccaneers, 49ers and Broncos this month.

Both Raji and Sanchez are expected to be among the top 15 picks in this year's NFL Draft class.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Not hard to get one of those teams to part with a top pick"

So again, WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET THERE????

Detroit isn't giving up the #1, for nothing, just because they don't want to pay him. Sorry that ain't happening.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell has a limited shot at having a breakout year. The Skins offense, at the moment, isn't much different than what finished 2008. Dock replaced Kendall, but Kendall was one of our better OL in 2008. Everyone else got a year older. Campbell is the only starter that I'd expect to improve with age.

Unless we get a RT that can play at this level from day 1 and/or one of the 2008 rooks steps up at WR, the 2009 offense is pretty much the 2008 offense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:13 PM

Agree with you, but I think the offense can be substantially different if we get that RT (Hellooooooooo, Moobs!) and one other thing: last year's rooks get on the field and provide upgraded options downfield. Even if just ONE of the WRs steps up, DThomas or MKelly, that would be a HUGE difference. Kelly seems to get rave reviews in practice. Hopefully Davis factors in, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Nats couldn't be more irrelevant. The real excitement is the NBA lottery where the worst shall be first. We're #1! We're #1!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 3:50 PM

That would be great, except for that lottery thingy they have. We only win when there are only bust at the top.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So again, WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET THERE????

Detroit isn't giving up the #1, for nothing, just because they don't want to pay him. Sorry that ain't happening.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

You can read the draft value board thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Just a question for those who think JC17 doesn't put up big enough numbers (e.g., 300 yard games, multi-TD games, etc):

What QB do you think could squeeze the big numbers out of Santana "Bad Hammy" Moss, ARE (2008 was his best year ever), and James Thrash?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

yeah, thought so.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It's almost the end of the day. Where the heck is my Position Battle: Long Snapper?

Posted by: johncnichols | April 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"What QB do you think could squeeze the big numbers out of Santana "Bad Hammy" Moss, ARE (2008 was his best year ever), and James Thrash?

Posted by: Alan4"


uhhh

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

uhhh

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:21 PM

Oh, I get it. HOF QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

On offense, we are better at:
#3 WR (the rooks can't be worse, can they?)
LG (marginal -- as Kendall wasn't bad)
QB (Campbell is still getting better)
HC (expect better in Zorn's year 2)

Where we stayed the same:
#1 WR
#2 WR
RB
FB
TE

Where we likely got worse -- all due to age
RT
RG
C
LT

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"#13 pick Clay Matthews JR, a 3 down backer
Bloodline baby...can't go wrong Posted by: skinsbacker"

Please. Have you forgotten Bush I and II already?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how far under the cap we are after the Thomas tender? We also have vet min offers out to two-three others. Not counting rookie/draft pool, how much money is still available?

Posted by: torqued21 | April 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's


come on

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Curry would be nice. But we can't give up our entire draft to get him. that FOUR whole picks!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Not counting rookie/draft pool, how much money is still available?

Posted by: torqued21"

not much I don't think, like 2 mil maybe

doesn't really matter though


we'll just extend Portis through the year 3000 and sign whoever we want

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's


come on

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse
Show some facts to support this truth, come on

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

z, so by suggesting that we trade up and get Curry, you're ignoring the OL, as well as jumping into the school of thought that the team is 1 player away.

So based on this, you think with Curry, they're super bowl bound?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a JC hater, I see him for what he is.


he's "okay" at best, "not that good" at worst, and "average" the majority of the time.

Not saying he can't win a Superbowl as our QB, but I see him for what he is. I honestly don't know what most of yall have watched.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's

come on"
Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:35 PM

Trust those who seek the Truth, doubt those who find it.

Campbell's not that bad.

Come on.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

""dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's

come on""


to clarify, that was STARTING QB's

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

JC17 was rated the 19 out of at least 32 QB's last year. Now most of the post on here talk about how beat up the o-Line was/is and how Portis declined because of the early season work load so how good can you expect JC17 to be with the other issues we have beaten like a dead horse?

Go back and watch him win a National Title with Auburn and see the things he is capable of. He can & will get the job done. Give hime time in this system. It is only his 4th system in 5 years. It will click and hopefully DT will click too.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

D Thomas starts opposite Moss/Cooley after Randle El breaks his arm fair-catching.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 10:47 AM

Okay, I know I'm late to the party, but I had to give MMoe props on that - tff, and nice work.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

woops I forgot "come on"...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 8, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Not speaking for anyone else, I saw a QB who has managed to get better every year despite 1) constant changes in offensive schemes 2) vertically challenged wideouts who don't frighten most defenders (except Moss when his hammy is OK) and 3) an oft-injured O-line with no one under 31 except an undrafted free agent.

ARE had his best year ever with 53 catches and 593 yards. Better numbers for him than when he had Brunnel or Big Ben tossing the old pigskin.

James Thrash? Nuff said.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

z, so by suggesting that we trade up and get Curry, you're ignoring the OL, as well as jumping into the school of thought that the team is 1 player away.

So based on this, you think with Curry, they're super bowl bound?

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Legit playoff shot. This team has been heavily weighted towards defense. The only recent #1 pick used on offense was Campbell (25th overall?). We've had 3 top 10 picks used on defense. We spent huge $$$ on Albert and Hall. Our best player over the past couple seasons has been Fletcher.

Elite defenses can get you into the playoffs. The Skins are close to having an elite defense. Replace the void at OLB with a stud and I think we're there. Really a huge impact. We'd still be tough to move the ball against and could easily double the turnovers.

As for ignoring the OL -- I haven't done that. I suggested the Skins use the entire '07 draft on the OL and 4 picks from the '08 draft on the OL.

In 2009, the OL is FUBAR. If they start to fix it with a top pick, I have no problem with that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Hail2theChief,

You are wasting your time trying to defend JC to some of these haters. And they are entitled to their opinions. For some reason people think the only qbs that succeed are the demonstrative, in your face, throw for 300 yards every game type guy. They also think that you can plug a qb into a system and if he's good he will pick it up right away. Nevermind the fact that Tom Moore has been in indy as long as Peyton has. Some people just dont like JC or think he is any good. That is ok too, just to jump on the bandwagon when he and the team turn the corner.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

JC17 was rated the 19 out of at least 32 QB's last year.

Posted by: Hail2theChief

The difference between 11th and 19th was about 3 rating points -- not much at all (Campbell had a few TD passes called back -- keep those and he is 11th). Plus, he had one of the toughest schedules for any QB in the league (8 games vs top 8 defenses).

During the early part of the schedule, against weaker defenses and with a healthier group, Campbell was near the top 5 in rating.

Campbell isn't the problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. The season ended on December 28. Today marks 100 days since he last played, and at least 100 days since anyone up here has had an original thought on JC.

Let's move on to something more current: Did Arrington screw the 'Skins or did the 'Skins screw Arrington? Should the 'Skins retire Sean Taylor's number? Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. The season ended on December 28. Today marks 100 days since he last played, and at least 100 days since anyone up here has had an original thought on JC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 5:16 PM

What about Redcoat? Just 'cause he is a fins fan does not make him a nobody. He had a couple of original thoughts on JC yesterday.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What about Redcoat? Just 'cause he is a fins fan does not make him a nobody. He had a couple of original thoughts on JC yesterday.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 5:21 PM

He wrote some original stuff, but not sure it would qualify as "thoughts." If so, we'd still be discussing it today -- "Redcoat, you're a hater..." "Redcoat, you always side with Peter King...." That sort of stuff.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins should completely ignore the offense and trade all their picks for one player to become an "an elite D." Then the offense can just punt on 1st downs so the "elite D" can score all the points on pick-6s and fumble returns.

/end sarcasm

Posted by: swowra | April 8, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Got it TE, though I will say it seemed to be more thought out than some of the JC comments posted recently.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

'...Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell's future in the nation's capital doesn't look very bright....Sanchez is getting a second look by the redskins' staff...'

If Campbell is to go, let his removal be swift.

He has to have some worth on the open market--take it in picks and ship him off the field like he's being handled by, well, FEDEX.

Let's not have a season with a number 1 pick chilling on the sidelines while Campbell keeps the seat warm for him.

We don't want any confusion. Get the kid signed, get him in camp, give him #11 (ooops, maybe not) and slot him in with the 1st team.

Moe says be assertive: if they want Sanchez, take him and move Campbell now.

Get it all over with and start the kid--Sanchez-- on day one and hold your nose.

'Cuz it looks like whatever is gonna happen is gonna stink real bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

'...Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell...'


talent_evaluator, we understand your consternation: whatever that word means.

Opinions are like clouds in that they are everchanging.

Presently, after reviewing an earlier post regarding the front office wanting to take a second look at USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, we shifted from, "Let's Do It Without The Trojan" to "The Trojan Is The Best Proctection For Red Skin."

'Cuz whatever is gonna happen on draft day is also gonna hurt real bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

to clarify, that was STARTING QB's
Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009

The criteria that real experts use to judge quarterbacks starts with the TD/INT ratio. It seems likely that his was one of the best if not the best in the league.

What do you want from the guy? He really only had 2 targets for passes (Cooley and Moss). ARE couldn't get open to save his life. The owner's favorite starting running back pouted and threw a big stink when he wasn't in the game but he won't go out into the flat or the short middle to catch a pass to save his life. He seems to hate catching passes.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Got it TE, though I will say it seemed to be more thought out than some of the JC comments posted recently.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 5:47 PM

So, that's damning by faint praise. My dog has more clever thoughts on JC than I've read up here. He wags his tail when I say "seventeen." Especially when I'm holding something for him to eat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, we understand your consternation: whatever that word means.

The owner's problem with the QB is that he doesn't have Joey T's personality ...

The real problem with the team is a skill player who is flamboyant and so his complete collapse in the last 8 games is completely ignored. And watch, he will still refuse to go out for a pass. He and not the quarterback is the real problem.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. The season ended on December 28. Today marks 100 days since he last played, and at least 100 days since anyone up here has had an original thought on JC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Since no one knew that Campbell was going to be dangled for Cutler, a lot has happened on the QB front. Just because T-E can't spot an original thought, doesn't mean there haven't been plenty of them

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Opinions are like clouds in that they are everchanging.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 6:07 PM

...except for JC opinions where the clouds are like a fog bank where you can't see five feet in front of your bumper.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

johncnichols

'...Where the heck is my Position Battle: Long Snapper?'

It's coming after the Position Battle: Clipboard Hold/Baseball Cap Wearer.

'Cuz If the tea leaves are read correctly, a drafted Mark Sanchez might force Collins and Colt into a fight for a job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Not trying to start an argument or anything but I’m not sure where you’re getting that from Peri…..Staubach retired after the 79 season and Manley was a rookie in 81. I don’t remember Danny White’s career ending (in 1988) b/c of anything Manley did either…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009"

You may be right ... my memory fades with time ... so I have to look things up ... :)

All I remember is Manley giving Dallas QB's plenty of concussions as a result of sacks.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Defense is starting to look pretty shored up.

I saw the latest mock at fanhouse, we take Oher, Jenkins and Cushing, Mauluga go 14-16

So, great to chance to get a good OT, CB, SLB

Now, we can start Blades and have Robert Thomas to back up all LB positions.

I hope Andre Smith falls to us, still.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's an original thought for you :

TRADE PORTIS, he won't catch passes, he wants to be in for every down but dramatically fades down the long 8 game stretch. Criticizes his coaches if he isn't in the game to NOT catch passes when they fall behind.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Now, we can start Blades and have Robert Thomas to back up all LB positions.

Thomas is ranked higher than Rocky in spite of last year's injury. He's faster (he was a 1st rounder). They'll compete he'll start over Blades who is better at the MLB position.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Where we likely got worse -- all due to age
RB (Feature back)
RT
RG
C
LT

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

What it means to be an elite defense:
Ravens, 34 turnovers
Steelers, 29 turnovers
Redskins, 18 turnovers

With Albert + Curry, I think we go from good to elite -- another turnover per game. Big step forward.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Our defense compared to 2008.

CB, slight downgrade with loss of Springs
S, better as young players will be better
MLB, slight downgrade as Fletcher is older
OLB, slight downgrade with loss of Marcus, partly offset by Rocky being healthier and more experience
DE downgrade with loss of Taylor and Evans
DT major upgrade with addition of Albert

Overall, the pickup of Albert offsets a lot of subtractions, should still be about a top 5 defense

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have a new theory. Snydley is secretly a biz partner of Jerry Jones. How else could one explain the stupendously stupid personnel moves made since he took the helm?

This latest, drafting Sanchez, is just the latest. I have nothing against the guy, but as SO many have said b4 me, Campbell is far from the most glaring problem on this team, and w/o decent pass protection, @ least two legit deep threats and @ least two seasons starting in the same O scheme, it's impossible to say WHAT his real value is. But of course all that would require WAAAAY more patience than this FO has, so yeah, blow it all up again and start over...again.

Is there really not a single skins fan that cooks Snydley's food, or maintains his cars, or planes, or SOMETHING that could lead to an unfortunate "accident"? Cuz w/o that, we're at the mercy of a little spoiled child trapped in a rich man's body, and he loses interest in his new toys far too quickly to ever build a champion.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 8, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

JC will be fine this year his #will be better than last years if we beaf up on our offensive line,and thomas and kelly do there jobs,kelly seems to be more of a liability than anything he just cant get healthy enough to get on the field should of been put on i.r, and looked at holt or harrison.Campbell is a good qb and could be great if he had a few more pieces around him.

Posted by: fboyd454 | April 8, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Our defense compared to 2008.

CB, Majory downgrade with loss of Springs.
Hall promises to prove his worth, will he?
Smoot seems to worsen every year.
Roger's attitude in his contract year?
Tryon is the only depth?

S, Improved:
Hopefully better as Doughty is better in
coverage than the "young players". That will
likely always be the case. Hopefully allows
Landry to return to tight safety.

MLB, Stays the same:
As Fletcher is older but
Blades gains a year of experience.

OLB, Downgrade:
Loss of Washington, partly offset by the
addition of Thomas (hopefully now healthy),
Rocky's knees will likely continue to
deteriorate. Will Wilson make the
transition? Draft pick?

DE Improved: loss of Taylor and Evans
BUT return of Daniels, Wynn plus Jackson.
Haynesworth plays DE on passing downs.
Perhaps as much or more than DT?
Montgomery at DE. Carter stays the same.

DT Improved: Addition of Haynesworth a bonafide
Impact player, return of Griffin. Return of
Golston and Montgomery with a year each of
starting experience.

Overall, the pickup of Haynesworth does not offset subtractions. However, since he plays both DT and DE line play should vastly improve with help from Griffin.

Still need help at CB and LB.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

talentevaluator: "

Wow. Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. The season ended on December 28. Today marks 100 days since he last played, and at least 100 days since anyone up here has had an original thought on JC.Let's move on to something more current: Did Arrington screw the 'Skins or did the 'Skins screw Arrington? Should the 'Skins retire Sean Taylor's number? Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?"


Wonder what Jason Campbell's take on all that would be....

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what Jason Campbell's take on all that would be....

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 6:53 PM

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"It's a challenge. At the same time, you know, it's an opportunity for me in this type of moments to sit back and just look at everything as far as a professional standpoint and as a business and just understand this is a day to day thing, this is... uhhh, the nature that we live in and... uhhhh, one thing I wanted to as far as myself is to just continue to keep preparing, continue to keep working because you don't know if it's just speculation or something that's really going on, but I really didn't want to get caught up into the midst of it. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything I could to be ready for minicamp, to be ready for training camp and to let my teammates know I'm here, here for them and here to win and no matter what everything that's going on on the outside and things that's out of our control. You know, one thing I can control is me preparing myself to have the best season since I've been here."

-Jason Campbell

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Where we likely got worse -- all due to age
RB (Feature back)
RT
RG
C
LT

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 6:22 PM |

Per -

You forgot about both DE (Wynn and Daniels), MLB - it's bound to happen soon, Corner (Smoot) and DT (Griffin is falling apart).

So...other than RB, RT, RG, C, LT, RDE, RDT, MLB and Nickel CB, we should be fine.

(And I just have to wonder how well Rocky Mac's wheels are going to continue to hold up...)

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

...I'm assuming that one of those two knuckleheads we drafted at WR last year come overtake Thrash at WR already.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

But seriously folks..

"Did Arrington screw the Skins or did the Skins screw Arrington?"
It really is a mystery to me how such a fabulously talented guy could just drop out of the league like a stone. The contract dispute was largely his agent's fault, but for some reason, the usually dishrag-soft Dan Snyder balked at fixing it. Then Lavar buys his way out for 4mil and signs a $50 million dollar deal with the Jints only to get cut after one year. So it's not just Gregg Williams who thought he was finished.

Sum up: I can't tell what happened. It's like a fricking divorce case. You got the husband shacked up with his mistress and the wife making YouTube videos about cutting up his clothes with pinking shears...you watch, some day this will happen to Brangelina.

"Should Sean Taylor's number be retired?"
No.

"Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?"
Probably not, but that's hindsight alone. In some ways Blache has improved the defense; in others, Williams seems the better coach. THe turnover numbers, I suspect, reflect Blache's less adventurous approach to deceit. Williams didn't do much in Jacksonville, however, so maybe it was the players, capisc?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

You won't be calling MK and DT knuckleheads for long.

Cut these youngsters some slack, would ya? Not all rookies can perform like a DeSean Jackson.

Besides, don't you think that a Donovan McNabb would've helped our receivers develop a smidge faster?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, nobody knew about MK's knees.

That was a total shock.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Should Sean Taylor's number be retired?"
No.

"Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?"
Probably not, but that's hindsight alone. In some ways Blache has improved the defense; in others, Williams seems the better coach. THe turnover numbers, I suspect, reflect Blache's less adventurous approach to deceit. Williams didn't do much in Jacksonville, however, so maybe it was the players, capisc?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Should Taylor's number be retired? YES..it should...nobody wants to see anyone...put on 21 again for the Skins...They may not retire it officially..but they should....Of course they will do like many others and not hand it out...so basically it is.

Should Williams have been hired as head coach...HELL NO! Not only was he over rated in Washington....he has shown since he left why he was not hired...Jags fired him as d cord after one year....they had a good d when he arrived...not after he was there....Plus he had a bunch of talent with the Skins....I just did not like his attitude and I think he was overrated...his last HC job was awful in Buffalo.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

should we adress the rb back position youn g legs to back up portis and betts

Posted by: fboyd454 | April 8, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Chia-Pet -

I think you misread the tone of my posting.

knuckleheads = kids still learning

I am expecting big things. I hope they can realize their fullest potential. That would be fun to watch!

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Besides, don't you think that a Donovan McNabb would've helped our receivers develop a smidge faster?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:07 PM

Kind of a left handed slap at Jason, huh?

No. I think having a better WR coach might help though. Not too impressed with Hixon yet (after 5 years...)

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

True, edvar...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

should we adress the rb back position youn g legs to back up portis and betts

Posted by: fboyd454 | April 8, 2009 7:12 PM |

Only if the Skins are willing to part with ST ace Rock Cartwright or Betts. I doubt they would carry 4 RB's.

Maybe next year.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The FO (and everyone else) knew Kelly has some knee issues before the draft. This was not a surprise.

That it kept him off the field for almost the whole season was however.

I guess he was held back by a combination of the knees and "readiness."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Too bad we whiffed on RB Steve Slaton out of WVU last year.

Even a clay vessel designed to play host to a small colony of green sprouts like myself picked Slaton to be a good prospect.

Right under our noses too!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

stumped,

I was being sarcastic.

Ya, everyone knew about MK's knees.

We picked him anyway.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What makes me nervous is that so far Zorn is still the head coach, play caller and QB coach.

Maybe Zorn can do two of those three things, but nobody can do all three in this era of the NFL. It's just humanly impossible to do all those things as well as they must be done to ensure the team's success.

And success is what we're after.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Even a clay vessel designed to play host to a small colony of green sprouts like myself picked Slaton to be a good prospect.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:23 PM

Way to paint the picture!

LOL...

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

What makes me nervous is that so far Zorn is still the head coach, play caller and QB coach.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:28 PM

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Calm yourself: Breathe in... Breathe out...

Coach Zen can do all these things, and more.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Now, we can start Blades and have Robert Thomas to back up all LB positions.

Thomas is ranked higher than Rocky in spite of last year's injury. He's faster (he was a 1st rounder). They'll compete he'll start over Blades who is better at the MLB position.

Posted by: periculum

Who ranks Thomas (235 lb., 60% start rate over 7 years) higher than Rocky (62.5% start rate) and Blades (250, and knows all the MLB calls and OLB assignments) .........beside you????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, correction to my post, "...a new theory. Snydley is secretly a biz partner of Jerry Jones. How else could one explain the stupendously stupid personnel moves...
This latest, drafting Sanchez, is just the latest..."

Should've read: "...WOULD be just the latest IF it happens..."

Of course, even having Sanchez in 2x for looks goes a long way to destroying whatever good will may have been left after the Cutler debacle, along w/ perhaps some of Campbell's self-confidence and mb even that of some of his team mates, both in him and in the FO (if they're still young and dumb enough to still HAVE any confidence in the FO).

Posted by: hogmeister | April 8, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh.

The FO seems to gravitate to players with medical issues. They have great faith in the wonders of modern medicine.

Or maybe they have a subterranean laboratory in Ashburn.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

easy for you to say Chia, sitting there in the window sill all day keeping your head together.

I'm out here in the middle of a #$%^&* clear cut. Trying to sprout something from a root, hoping for the best.

BTW I hope you enjoyed three days in the fabulous sunshine out here the PNW. I guess you broke dormancy, which explains your return up here.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Who ranks Thomas (235 lb., 60% start rate over 7 years) higher than Rocky (62.5% start rate) and Blades (250, and knows all the MLB calls and OLB assignments) .........beside you????
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009

Scouts INC. for starters. Rocky hasn't been very impressive noting that the 3 linebackers listed for comparison have had injury issues.

I DO POST ITEM that I can back them up ... while you and others like scrambly 75 brain post conjecture ...

High school kids ... ptooey...

Robert Thomas, LB Washington Redskins
6'0" 235lbs age 28
Grade: 68
84 games, 304 tackles, 246 solo, 2 sacks 1 int.

Comment: Thomas is an undersized player with good athleticism. He runs well and is best in space to pursue inside-out to the ball. He can be engulfed when taking on offensive linemen due to his lack of height. He does use his hands well to separate, but will lose leverage often versus the inside ground game. He covers lots of ground and shows good range, but will over-pursue at times and not break down in space. He does have decent pop and power as a tackler. He has the athleticism to be effective in coverage, but isn't quick to react to route progressions. He plays hard, but doesn't have the overall tools to be an effective, consistent starter. He is best in sub packages and on special teams.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Rocky McIntosh, LB, Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 64
6'2" 238 lbs, age 26
46 games, 202 tackles, 153 solo, 6 sacks, 1 int.

Comment: He is a WLB and started 13 of 14 games before going on IR for a torn ACL/MCL in his left knee. He's a good athlete with good speed and adequate strength. He has adequate reactions as a run defender, but is not a stout downhill player. He lacks overall strength and hand use for taking on blocks. He can take on lead blocks aggressively, but he doesn't work off the contact quickly to get to the ball. He lacks quick hand use and lower-body strength to shed. He shows average discipline at the point of attack. He will take chances and jump inside. He is quick enough to recover back outside, but doesn't hold the force consistently. He will get pushed off track due to high pad level and a narrow base. He was aggressive in space, but lacks body control to break down versus quicker running backs. In coverage, he gains good depth in zone drops. He uses good zone-spacing and has enough vision to read and react effectively. He is versatile enough to be effective as a blitzer off the edge. He accelerates quickly, but will get chopped too easily due to his late use of hands to protect his lower body.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington, SLB, Washington Redskins
Grade: 76
ht: 6'1", wt: 244 lbs, age:31

Comment: Washington has very good size with good instincts. He may lack ideal speed, but his aggressiveness and ability to read and react quickly definitely help him get into position. He can fill quickly versus the run with good strength when taking on leads. He is quick to step up and is usually sound with his run fits. He shows adequate lateral quickness in scrape with the ability to show a good burst on his turn and run. He usually takes aggressive angles, but his lack of speed will prevent him from making the play on the perimeter. He does sell out and gives good effort in chase. He is a good overall tackler, but can be slipped in space at times versus quickness. In passing situations, he has ability to come off the edge effectively from a two or three-point stance. He shows good timing on blitzes and has good upfield speed as en edge rusher. He does a good job creating pressure in nickel situations and he has a feel for working his hands. In coverage, he lacks fluid movement in space. He can settle and read effectively, but once he settles he has trouble showing enough burst to close. He is better on the move than settling and reacting. He has a good understanding of routes. Washington is a productive and versatile player who brings good energy to the defense.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Skins sign LB Thomas

By David Elfin on April 8, 2009

With five-year starting linebacker Marcus Washington balking at returning for their low-budget offer after being cut in February, the Redskins signed former Rams and Raiders linebacker Robert Thomas this morning.

The 6-foot, 235-pound Thomas wasn't on the official free agent list because he was cut off injured reserve by Oakland last December. Eeerily, the player the Raiders signed to replace Thomas with, Marquis Cooper, was one of those who recently drowned on a fishing trip.

Thomas was defending NFC champion St. Louis' first-round pick in the 2002 draft and his struggles mirrored those of the Rams, who have never recaptured that championship form. Thomas started 30 games during his three years in St. Louis but didn't make much of an impact.

The former UCLA star moved on to Green Bay in 2005 and then to Oakland in 2006. He started 10 games for the sad-sack Raiders in 2007 but got into just two games last season before suffering a season-ending injury against Atlanta on Nov. 2.

Still, Thomas, who'll be 29 in July, has a chance to start for the Redskins at Washington's former strong side spot. His only current competition is 5-foot-10 H.B. Blades, career special-teamer Alfred Fincher and the untested Tyson Smith.

Thomas made the news off the field last year for suing a breeder because she sold him a deaf bulldog for $2,500. The breeder refused to give Thomas a refund when he returned the dog, claiming the dog was healthy when it was sold and that the contract had a no-refund clause. She in turn said Thomas mistreated the dog.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

peri

'... Rocky hasn't been very impressive...'

If you attach the word 'bust' to Rocky Mac's name, does it stick?

To me it does.

When the bears said, "Give us Rock and we'll give you Lance Briggs in trade," we should've taken the deal and moved on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

peri,
how does Blades compare?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse


>>>>>>>>>>> pabrian2003
High school kids ... ptooey...

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. The season ended on December 28. Today marks 100 days since he last played, and at least 100 days since anyone up here has had an original thought on JC.

Let's move on to something more current: Did Arrington screw the 'Skins or did the 'Skins screw Arrington? Should the 'Skins retire Sean Taylor's number? Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 5:16 PM

If you have more original thoughts to offer up, please do so. You will have arapt audience, if you have anything more to offer than putdowns of others' ideas.

It's an open blog, and your original ideas will sink or float on their own merit...
...waiting.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Anybody an Orioles fan?

Adam Jones looks like a killa.

And the Japanese pitcher is dealing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"peri,
how does Blades compare?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009"

A lot worst. Keeping in mind that his natural, best position as a starter, other than on special teams is at MLB not OLB where he played last year.
HB Blades, linebacker, Washington Redskins
Grade: 58 | Key
5'10" 242 lbs 24 years old.
32 games, 81 tackles, 56 solo, 0 sacks, 0 int.

Comment: He was a rookie last year who played backup MLB. He's an undersized player (short) who has good foot quickness and knee bend. He showed adequate reactions playing the run and will lose sight of the ball in traffic due to his lack of height. He is aggressive taking on lead blocks and showing good pad level, but he will lose balance on contact. He gives good effort to chase and pursue. He has adequate speed, not explosive. He takes average angles in space. In coverage, he was aggressive to play-action with adequate recovery quickness. He can quickly flip his hips to gain depth in his zone drops. He shows the ability to change direction in space with the ability to close in zone coverage. He has good vision in a shallow area with a slight burst to finish. He is an adequate backup who played mostly on special teams as a rookie. He will learn a lot from playing behind London Fletcher and has good development potential.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Anybody an Orioles fan?
Adam Jones looks like a killa.
And the Japanese pitcher is dealing.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009

Yeah sure ... former O-ri-hole Cabrera flopped but still did better than the first 2 "starters". Hitting looks better. Dukes looks better in CF. Dunn better in left with Nick the Stick at First base, almost helping to rally to win in the top of the ninth with a key pinch-hit walk.

So what Ori-holes ... Nats have 2 first round picks for 2 starting pitchuuuuuhs ... 1 righty and 1 lefty.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

When the bears said, "Give us Rock and we'll give you Lance Briggs in trade," we should've taken the deal and moved on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009

Yes, dead-on five-by-five.

Not a bust per se ... but the injuries have precluded him from developing beyond a certain level. Just like Mr. Kelly at WR Snidely, Vinny, and Mel.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

stumped,

I moved my window sill from Portland to Salt Lake, via Steamboat Springs, Colorado.

300 days of sunshine round these parts. I'm expecting to grow a full, green quaff this year.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

peri

The top of the Orioles order--Roberts, Jones, Markakis--is kinda nice.

The announcers claim the team has some good young pitchers on the farm.

Orioles success won't matter to me: in the Yanks' Universe, we sing, '...dolla bill, ya'll, dolla bill, ya'll, dolla, dolla, dolla, bill, ya'll...'

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

yes indeed Moe ...

Lance Briggs, LB, Chicago Bears
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 82
6'1", 240 lbs, 28 years old.
94 games, 667 tackles, 536 solo, 6 sacks, 9 ints.

Comment: Briggs has an excellent combination of size, strength and athleticism. He is going into his sixth season with the Bears and continues to put up big numbers as an outside linebacker. His great quickness, speed and agility make him an outstanding coverage defender. He has the ability to man up on most backs and interior targets in the passing game. He has a good feel for route progressions and anticipates break points well to jump passes effectively. He is a very active player defending the opponent's air attack. He has great range in zone coverage and possesses good balls skills to finish and make the big play. He is also a very solid run defender attacking the line of scrimmage with power and leverage. He is a natural football player who moves with great balance and agility. His change of direction, burst and range keeps him alive on most plays. He uses his hands well to separate from blockers or work through trash. He is a fluid athlete who is a natural knee bender and one of the better playmakers at the linebacker position. He is a solid wrap tackler and comes to balance well in the open field. He should be more productive as a blitz defender, but has never really developed his technique in this area.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks peri,

"has good development potential"

This is what I wanted to see.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Chia,
SLC huh?
So you go for the ski towns?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Snidely, Vinny and Mel (our very own 3 stooges) could have picked up this guy when he was cast off by the SF 49'ers after suffering the same injury as Arrington ... the difference is he ain't an Arrington and he is a LOCAL ...

Julian Peterson, LB, Detroit Lions
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 84
6'3", 240 lbs, 30 years old.

Comment: Peterson is a playmaker who brings more than his share of athleticism, speed and versatility to the position. He excels coming off the edge on a blitz and has several ways of pressuring the pocket, using power, speed or a good package of counter moves. He uses his hands very well to keep blockers at bay and rarely stays blocked for very long. He also has the ability to man up on most tight ends or running backs out of the backfield and can cover the downfield routes. He does not have great size, but plays strong. While he can get engulfed by bigger tackles, he does not give them enough of himself to stay blocked very long. Two things he needs to improve on are his ability to recognize blocking schemes as well as his ability to locate the level of the ball. With his rare speed, he is able to compensate for some slow reads. His speed allows him to make plays on both sidelines as well as downfield and he is not the type to take plays off

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Orioles success won't matter to me: in the Yanks' Universe, we sing, '...dolla bill, ya'll, dolla bill, ya'll, dolla, dolla, dolla, bill, ya'll...'
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009

Everyone else is going young ... Nats included. With 2 first in the upcoming draft they should end up with the best starting rotation in baseball in 1-2 years. With local boy Maxwell in center it may translate to playoffs ... hopefully division title.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tennessee Titans
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 57

Comment: He is generally considered a bust as a first-round pick, but he does have some physical skills that make him worthy of having around as a backup. He has good size along with a strong arm. He can throw the ball through the small window when he is given time to get the ball off. He seems to struggle when he is not given enough time to get his feet settled under himself for the delivery and has thrown too many interceptions. He reads coverages well enough, he has the ability to time his throws and he understands the passing tree but he simply does not react well to pressure and has not shown the ability to make the big play when it is needed. He is an adequate athlete who can set up quickly and has the ability to step up or side step pressure to buy some time, but he is not apt to turn many near sacks into gains with his scrambling ability.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

100-90: Elite Player
Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game ... Premier NFL player who has all the skills to consistently play at a championship level ... Rates as one of the top players in the league at his position.

89-80: Outstanding Player
Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL ... A feature player who has an impact on the outcome of the game ... Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week-in and week-out.

79-70: Good Starter
Solid starter who is close to being an outstanding player ... Has few weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchup but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the league.

69-60: Average Starter
A valuable roster player but is not dominant against the better players he faces on a week-to-week basis... Gives great effort and you are glad that he is on your team, but he may or may not go to the next level.

59- 50: Good Backup
A player who is on the bubble and starts only because of a deficiency at the position ... He lacks complete overall skills, and although he will battle he will hinder his team's ability to play at a championship level if he is forced to be in the starting lineup consistently over a 16-game season ... A player you don't mind having on your team but someone you are always looking to upgrade.

49-40: Below Average Backup/Core Special Teamers
Strictly a backup player who is not capable of starting ... If he is forced to start he is no more than a short-term fix ... He may make the team because of special teams contributions or experience ... A player you are always looking to upgrade as he will always be a borderline roster guy.

30: Rookie -- Post-draft
No professional tape to evaluate ... Will have a college report but will not get an NFL grade until the spring after his rookie season ... Will carry the 30 grade throughout his first NFL season.

20: Developmental Player
A player with very little film to evaluate ... A guy who might show "flashes" in the preseason but does not have any regular-season views ... He has very little experience but he has to be tracked due to his developmental potential.

10: Evaluation in Process -- Need More Information

Alerts glossary
A - Age/Declining Player (Player may be starting to decline)
B - Bulk/Size (Player lacks size/bulk for position)
C - Character (Problems on and off the field)
D - Durability (Player who cannot stay healthy)
E - Experience (Player lacks game or position experience)
I - Injury (Player coming off injury that may affect play)
M - Mental (Player does not learn and retain the system)
O - Overachiever (Player lacks the athletic ability and skills)
R - Rookie
S - Speed (Player lacks ideal speed for the position)
T - Special Teams Value
U - Underachiever (Player does not play up to ability)
Y - Developmental Player
↑ - Ascending player
↓ - Descending player

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I wait patiently for the Os to win the pennant. I should pay more attention.

(there's a hiaku waiting to happen in there somewhere)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The top 2 Redskins are in fact Haynesworth and Hall ... makes one wonder about the Snidely, Vinny, and Mel connection? Is that how they make their "calls". By browsing ESPN?

Albert Haynesworth, DT, Washington Redskins.
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 92

Comment: Haynesworth, a seven-year veteran who was drafted by the Titans in the first round by the Titans, finally proved his worth and value as a first-round pick in 2007. He had a huge year as he dominated the middle of the line, especially in the first half of the season. He struggled some toward the end as he fought injuries. He has only been able to play a full 16 game schedule one year in his previous six (his rookie season) and there has been some concern he does not keep himself in great condition. He missed some time in 2006 when he was suspended by the commissioner for a flagrant foul in the Dallas game. It was not too surprising he had a huge season this past year because he was in the final year of his contract and some wonder if he will revert to his old ways once he gets a new contract. He can play big when he is right and dominates his area with strength, quickness and athleticism. He can read blocking schemes, locate the level of the ball quickly and make plays in the backfield, as well as on the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse


DeAngelo Hall, Cornerback, Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 83

Comment: Hall started 15-of-16 games last year. He's a very good athlete with adequate size. He's a quick-twitch athlete who can flip his hips and accelerate extremely well. He has a rare burst in his movements with very good confidence in his recovery skills. If he misses a jam, he does not stay in a trail position very long. He does an excellent job of mirroring all types of routes. He has the ability to maintain leverage on receivers downfield with some suddenness to undercut routes at the break points. He's very smooth with his speed turns and flips. He also has good solid route recognition and ball skills. He has very good ball awareness with good timing on his reach to break up or intercept passes. He has a knack for reading a receivers' body reaction with his back to the quarterback. Hall has long arms for his size and good vertical leaping ability to go up and adjust. When he's playing off he will often open his hips early. He doesn't stay in his pedal very long and he has had some trouble versus quick outs and hitches. He also has a tendency to bite on double moves because he is so aggressive. However, he has excellent reactions to screens and check downs. He closes hard and fast off his plant and drive. As a tackler, he doesn't always wrap up, but is an effective block tackler who can take out a runners' legs quickly with surprising closing quickness.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Ok Talent_evaluator... I agree...
"Same old people saying the same old things about Jason Campbell. ....." here we go...


Look at Campbell last preseason when he was competing with Collins/Colt. et al.. He was sharp and involved.. It carried over to a 6-2 start. But, what a change the last eight games of the year (meaningful games too). He stopped engaging the teammates, he stopped conferencing with Zorn between series of downs. Didnt even bother to look at the def alignment photos sent from the coaches box. He just sat there motionless and resigned. He knew def coordinators had the zorn/JC offense figured out..stack portis, double moss and blind side rush on 3rd and long.
He's treading water...lost the fire.. read his quotes, too.. Read the one in this blog (about an hour ago). No mention of Playoffs, Championship, etc.. Just "I want to be there for my teammates". "be the best I can be"...ahhhhh (join the army, then).. The guy is a complacent loser. Not hungry at all..
13 tds and 3200 yards in a 16 game season, 3 passes total over 40 yards (2 of them were YACs). Thats about a half season output for a top one-third to average NFL QB.
Maybe this is why no Contract extension and an Owner who was shopping him for a 2nd rounder (see WaPo and NFL.Com). And we'll never know who turned that down.

So T-E.. lets bring on Sanchez.. JC had 4 years to figure it out.. first 3 in a Gibbs/Saunders similar system. Last year with Zorn.... Flacco, Ryan and Pennington screwed up his ongoing excuse he uses about a new system each year.

Snyder should take the package he couldnt sell for Cutler (JC.. which might get him a low 2nd, the 13th pick, Rogers, who else??), and move up to Sanchez. Because if 2-6 at the end of last year is a true indicator of future performance.. JC's stock will drop from a 3rd round to a 4th, no doubt. JC is a terrible return, so far, on the 3 picks given up for him in 2005 to select him in the 1st...not to mention the millions in salary and wasted efforts by top ranked Williams/Blache Defenses the Redskins have had the last 3 years.
Imagine those past Redskins Defenses with a bona fide Franchise QB coming onto the field after each series..Sorta what we had when Collins, in 2007, went 4-0 with the same OL and WR's that JC had..... This thought alone must throw Danny into fits..

The JC experiment should be over!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I wait patiently for the Os to win the pennant. I should pay more attention. (there's a hiaku waiting to happen in there somewhere)
Posted by: _Stumped_

Patiently waiting for World Series:
Inner Harbor Wharf Rats vs. the Tidal Basin's Swammmp Thangs!

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

How is a CB who is frequently fooled due to being too aggressive and has a problem wrapping up receivers (tackling) an outstanding player? That makes NO sense.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 8, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Franchise Quarterback - a term that's thrown around constantly, but what does it really mean?

Different things to different people I suspect.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

the JC experiment should be over!!
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009

NO, THE 'PORTIS' experiment should be over, he completely collapsed in the 2nd half, he won't catch passes to take the pressure off of his QB. He will block but against a Suggs what good is that? He sulks, and gets angry in public if they take him out when they are behind for someone who catches passes. GET RID OF POISON PILL PORTIS FIRST then let's talk about Campbell

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Update:

Orioles 7

Yanks 1

4th inning: Yanks pull Wang.

And as is the usual case when you pull wang, it's not all that satisfying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

quick clarification before JC lovers go banal.. Collins aint no franchise QB but, the 4-0 with the same personnel shows the tools were there for any competent NFL QB to succeed. And it was wasted with snyder's "make my JC investment pay off" denial. And its probably what drove Spags and other HC candidates away last year..(among many other things, I am sure)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Imagine those past Redskins Defenses with a bona fide Franchise QB coming onto the field after each series..Sorta what we had when Collins, in 2007, went 4-0 with the same OL and WR's that JC had..... This thought alone must throw Danny into fits..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009

Name one superbowl in which the Redskins had a truly bonafide franchise quarterback? Name one truly bonafide Redskins QB after Christian Adolph Jurgenson.

And puuuuhleeeeese do not even infer that Cutler ranks that distinction. I think Colt would be a better choice without ever having played a down.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Once I was a Senators fan...I adopted Balimore long after the Senators left but before they left Memorial Stadium.

So then along come the Nats, whom I just can't relate to.

I do go to some Mariners games, but I'm luke warm on my neighbor to the north.

So, lets go Os.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

And as is the usual case when you pull wang, it's not all that satisfying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:41 PM

Maybe you didn't pull Wang the right way? Try it again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

'...The PORTIS' experiment should be over..'

Hard to do that when he's owed so much money.

And you wonder if more teams are of the opinion that a couple of dominant wideouts are better than one great running back--so the trade issue is just that.

Somehow, the team has to achieve agreement on a specific offensive philosophy and build to make it happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

quick clarification before JC lovers go banal.. Collins aint no franchise QB but, the 4-0 with the same personnel shows the tools were there for any competent NFL QB to succeed. And it was wasted with snyder's "make my JC investment pay off" denial. And its probably what drove Spags and other HC candidates away last year..(among many other things, I am sure)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009

One could say exactly the same and HE WAS BETTER about Brunell. How long does it take for QBs to develop? It doesn't happen overnight and this was Campbell's first full year as a starter.

Collins had years in a very complicated and subtle offense. Every player complained about the complexity to the point where the tome of a playbook became a standing joke.

And Brunell spent years leading the Jacksonville Jaguars before Gibbs brought him to Washington. Maybe we should bring the old guy back to play again?

The jury is still out on Campbell. He still has room for improvement but it is very clear he wants to improve and has, steadily, every single year he has been with the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Didnt say we ever had a bona fide QB the last 3-5 years.. I said "Imagine" if we did. The blame should really go to Gibbs. Snyder is just trying to extract himself from that failed decision to draft JC when most NFL personnel said he was not worth a 1st back in 2005. Now he is not worth a 2nd if reports are true from WaPo.
______________________________________

Imagine those past Redskins Defenses with a bona fide Franchise QB coming onto the field after each series..Sorta what we had when Collins, in 2007, went 4-0 with the same OL and WR's that JC had..... This thought alone must throw Danny into fits..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009

Name one superbowl in which the Redskins had a truly bonafide franchise quarterback? Name one truly bonafide Redskins QB after Christian Adolph Jurgenson.

And puuuuhleeeeese do not even infer that Cutler ranks that distinction. I think Colt would be a better choice without ever having played a down.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:43 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
That was funny. I needed a laugh.


And as is the usual case when you pull wang, it's not all that satisfying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

'...lets bring on Sanchez...'

Hate to say it, but this is a bandwagon I've recently jumped aboard.

Nothing against Campbell, but the trends reads like this--he'd have to have a Manning/Brees type season to get paid and that ain't gonna happen.

So make the execution swift and painless.

Draft Sanchez. Take whatever the market offers in trade for Campbell, use the picks for need, start the rook on day one, and wave Mr. Campbell good-bye as he joins Pat Ramsey, Heath Shuler, and Micheal Westbrook on the scrap heap of unfullfilled redskins' hopes and dreams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Once I was a Senators fan...I adopted Balimore long after the Senators left but before they left Memorial Stadium. So then along come the Nats, whom I just can't relate to.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 8, 2009

The swamp rats are in the National league ... original league, original Nats playing on the whitehouse lawn. National league is different.
O's play in the American league with the damned
Yankees.

Nats play against the Mets, Braves and Phillies.

I like my Nats. Hate anything from Ballimer including lez boulez just because they are the Ballimer Boulez ... not Harry Potter's Whizzards.

Well, not everything from Ballimer ... like hot looking Arbutian women ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Moe - they also need to have realistic expectations. This should include giving JZ some sort of assistant to handle a lot of his daily duties so he has the opportunity to focus properly on various aspects of his duties (there's only so much time in the day). I'd rather have JZ be given adequate time to focus on the intricacies of things instead of doing too many things semi-adequately. In addition, the WR's should be given this year to show something (they're not busts yet). JC needs an OL so he can really prove himself. You don't upgrade OL, you don't expect real improvement from JC. Lastly, make sure everyone knows their playbook by the start of camp (one could only hope it's finalized by now).

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 8, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

'...lets bring on Sanchez...'
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009

I think Campbell, like local boy Julian Peterson is something special. He can handle it Moe ... and better than a guy in Philly named McNabb.

Secondly, statistically if you bring in Sanchez Colt will beat him out because he looks to be better. Fewer mistakes, stronger arm, more athletic and mobile.

Save the pick and play Colt first.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

peri

'...Save the pick and play Colt first....'


Sure.

Why not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

......Campbell's first full year as a starter.
____________________________

I thought he played half of 06 and all of 07 except 3 games out for injury (all of 08)??


Collins had years in a very complicated and subtle offense. Every player complained about the complexity to the point where the tome of a playbook became a standing joke.
____________________________

Collins hadnt started an NFL game in 10 years.. stepped in and went 4-0 with a 106 rating.. 2007 was JC's 3rd year with a Gibbs/Saunders offense (2005 he was on the bench).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Didnt say we ever had a bona fide QB the last 3-5 years.. I said "Imagine" if we did. The blame should really go to Gibbs. Snyder is just trying to extract himself from that failed decision to draft JC when most NFL personnel said he was not worth a 1st back in 2005. Now he is not worth a 2nd if reports are true from WaPo.

From the Hotel California:
We haven't had that Vintage here since 1969 ...

And we LOST every single year when it was all about gaudy numbers and the best offense in the NFL.

First SuperBowl: Billy "old furnace face" Kilmer
Second : Joey "Kathy Lee" Theismann
: Joey "Kathy Lee" Theismann
Third : Doug "My wife cheats (not really it was all on me)" Williams
Fourth : Mark "Fumble every snap" Rypien

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

jesusfreakaren

I'm impressed by the post.

And I can't believe, jesus, you have the time to follow the redskins, what with all the prayers, blessings, and walking on water you do.

There's a story you can make the blind see.

My prayer is, can you make the redskins' front office think straight?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Poll Question:

Does Jim Zorn want to keep Jason Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

And as is the usual case when you pull wang, it's not all that satisfying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:41 PM

Maybe you didn't pull Wang the right way? Try it again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse
Wight, he's pwobably pulling his Wang wong.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Collins hadnt started an NFL game in 10 years.. stepped in and went 4-0 with a 106 rating.. 2007 was JC's 3rd year with a Gibbs/Saunders offense (2005 he was on the bench).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009

Campbell has started 30 games. In 3 years. By any standard that is not a lot for a new QB in the NFL. Especially with 3 offensive coordinators, 3 playbooks.

Collins had one coach for over 10 years in KC and one playbook. The same coach and playbook were here in 2007.

When a new coach and playbook showed he struggled.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

periculum,
You're obviously a Redskins fan...knowledgable, passionate, just as quick to defend as you are to criticize...that being said, the man's name is JURGENSEN, not JurgenSON. Normally I wouldn't gripe, but post after post of "Christian Adolph Jurgenson" with his name misspelled is not what I expect from a Skins fan of your caliber.

Posted by: tripz | April 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm not Jesus, I'm a Jesus Freak. There's a difference (lol). In response to the second half of the post - you just gotta keep on praying. lol. Sorry.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should take the package he couldnt sell for Cutler (JC.. which might get him a low 2nd, the 13th pick, Rogers, who else??), and move up to Sanchez....

JC is a terrible return, so far, on the 3 picks given up for him in 2005 to select him in the 1st...

The JC experiment should be over!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 8:33 PM

1. Observe Skins stagnant offense

2. Put together a moronic package of picks & players in preparation to give up the farm

3. Pick "splashy" QB in the draft or from another team, while getting fleeced in the process

4. Change coaches frequently.

5. Leave huge holes at key positions (O-line, WRs)

6. Blame QB

7. Lather, rinse, repeat

(The above is a guaranteed recipe for 20 years of mediocrity, and will effectively demoralize an entire team. Should be used primarily for coaches and QBs--but may be used for other positions on a case by case basis!)

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Curry would be nice. But we can't give up our entire draft to get him. that FOUR whole picks!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Even if he were the second coming of LT or Ray Lewis, the Skins need a young OT more, especially if Snydley wants to fill the stadium and parking lot next year..As for "The Portis Experiment", no way you can fill his +1400 yards shoes this year unless you get big fish lucky, and a diamond falls to you in the later rounds..Portis, mouth and all, is THE MAN, get over it..Campbell will shine with an upgraded O-line and a little help from last years rookies (including Zorn)..

Posted by: frak | April 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Poll Question:

Does Jim Zorn want to keep Jason Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 9:10 PM
____________________________

Zorn is stuck with whoever they tell him to play.. made a deal for HC. Case in point.. Who made the cuts at the end of last preseason.. Remember what the cut punter said to the Post on his way out....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

'...I'm a Jesus Freak...'

I'm now impressed by your openness.

I myself was a freak until the surgery.

I had no friends and in school, mean kids called me 'LobstaMoe' behind my back.

I ignored their crude taunts and would comb the unibrow to hide tears.

My older cousin BigFoot would laugh at my sensitivity and ask why I just didn't move to the woods and seek revenge by tossing drunk hunters into the air like he did.

Of course, not being a freak ruined my career in the circus, but hey, from time to time, my photograph appears on the cover of various tabloids endorsing presidents and whatnot.

Trust me, karen, I hope that one day thepublic will learn to accept freaks like us just as they do all other oppressed groups in our society--I mean, they even put a freak in the White House.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

your lame facts back me up too. HA!

in 1/2 the games Rocky has 2/3 the tackles and 3X the sacks as Thomas. He's 2" taller 5 lbs heavier and 2 years younger.

So go back to get your PHD Cool guy

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Robert Thomas should have the opportunity to win a starting job, but you write our guys off like they're nothing.

chikitty check the film, Blades and McIntosh had very good years last year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why the FO wasted even a 7th on Colt Brennan in the 2008 draft. He is nowhere close to being an NFL QB. Physically he is a runt - 210 lbs. He wouldn't last a full game. He would end up in a MASH unit - where you get sent when mashed by Justin Tuck. He has a weak arm and bad mechanics - a sidearm motion that would doom many of his passes to never getting across the line of scrimage. Leftwich would be a big upgrade over both him and Collins who himself has problems with being old and not a WCO QB by any stretch. Don't know why the FO hasn't tendered Left a contract - maybe they have and he has not accepted. There is a real need there that does not seem to have gotten a lot of attention.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 8, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Name one superbowl in which the Redskins had a truly bonafide franchise quarterback? Name one truly bonafide Redskins QB after Christian Adolph Jurgenson.

And puuuuhleeeeese do not even infer that Cutler ranks that distinction. I think Colt would be a better choice without ever having played a down.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:43 PM

Guess your spellchecking just got downsized. Hey, spell diarrea...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm told there was an important trade announced today by the Skins but I'm unable to locate it in the midst of 4,237 periculum items cut and pasted illegally from copyrighted material. If anybody finds out what the team received in exchange for Campbell and Portis, please post it somewhere else so I might have a chance of locating it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2009

BROWN ALERT, BROWN ALERT : 2 guys defecating
on each other and into a porcelain commode, devouring and spewing into each others' mouths.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

chikitty check the film, Blades and McIntosh had very good years last year
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009

Although Rocky has bad knees ... a legit reason he hasn't developed is it any different than the complaints about Campbell? The Bears wanted him plus a pick in exchange for Lance Briggs. Right now that is looking more and more like it should have been a good deal because he hasn't lived up to his potential. Compare his year to Lance Briggs? What does the film say?

Yes, he is a starter. Thomas would be on the other side. Fletcher in the middle. Blades is still developing ... but he is best starting at the middle linebacker position, not at outside linebacker.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

but post after post of "Christian Adolph Jurgenson" with his name misspelled is not what I expect from a Skins fan of your caliber.

Posted by: tripz | April 8, 2009

You are right ...

Apologies to all and sundry ...

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Remember the old RI: Initial Personnel Ratings Completed?

In that initial assessment:

Several people told us that the offensive line was the greatest area of concern during the first series of meetings. Offensive line Coach Joe Bugel, criticized privately by some in the organization for being too loyal to veterans in the past, was brutally honest during the line review, sources said, particularly about how the line fell apart in the second half of the season...
...Cerrato was looking for reasons for the team's 2-6 finish, which some coaches at first thought was a joke given personnel issues and the continuing age and injury problems of the line. Rarely could the entire line practice together save for some lighter Friday sessions and the players' technique and chemistry suffered. Veteran football coaches know the importance of having a line on the practice field as a unit. With most of this bunch coming off surgery again, that issue is unlikely to go away if they keep the group together.

So why isn't there an agressive push to fix the O-line yet?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Poll Question:

Does Jim Zorn want to keep Jason Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 9:10 PM
____________________________

Zorn is stuck with whoever they tell him to play.. made a deal for HC. Case in point.. Who made the cuts at the end of last preseason.. Remember what the cut punter said to the Post on his way out....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

You mean the HC has ZERO say in who is QB will be?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

in 1/2 the games Rocky has 2/3 the tackles and 3X the sacks as Thomas. He's 2" taller 5 lbs heavier and 2 years younger.

So go back to get your PHD Cool guy

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009

Rocky is supposed to grade out at an 84 like Lance Briggs not a 64. Thomas grades out at a 68 which is higher ... but for a 1st round pick that is underachieving. A lot of that has to do with injuries and the teams Thomas played for.

Part of Rocky's grade is due to this:

He is a WLB and started 13 of 14 games before going on IR for a torn ACL/MCL in his left knee.

Both knees are now pretty bad ... he won't be starting much longer ... then what?

He was supposed to eventually replace Washington. That never happened.


Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"The jury is still out on Campbell. He still has room for improvement but it is very clear he wants to improve and has, steadily, every single year he has been with the Redskins."
Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 8:48 PM

Good post. I think JC17 will continue to improve this year, his second under Zorn.

RE: Thomas -

I echo those who say Thomas may compete for but will not be the staring Strong Side LB. I think he's our "Rocky -Insurance;" much like Fincher, Thomas will primarily serve as a ST player, replacing the void of K. Campbell and maybe rotating with Rocky occasionally.

My gut feeling is that Blades, Wilson, Tyson Smith, and a rookie to be determined will battle for the SAM LB.

Can't wait to hear about Wilson's coverage skills...

Or Golston to sign his contract.....

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 8, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2009

BROWN ALERT, BROWN ALERT : 2 guys defecating
on each other and into a porcelain commode, devouring and spewing into each others' mouths.


Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 10:18 PM

Wow dude, you got some serious mental issues. Somethings are all good and fun but that's just sick. Guess that's what report abuse is for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez won't be there at 13 and I hate to see the 'Skins pay the price of trading up to get him.

Posted by: swowra | April 8, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Why entertain this periculm phony? He wastes everybody's time with his nonsense. Just scroll past his posts...

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 8, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow dude, you got some serious mental issues. Somethings are all good and fun but that's just sick. Guess that's what report abuse is for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2009

guess you missed the long 2 women 1 cup thread yesterday? brought that in ... seemed apropos?

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Why entertain this periculm phony? He wastes everybody's time with his nonsense. Just scroll past his posts...

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 8, 2009

phony baloney from an all star cowgirls crony

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

chikitty check the film, Blades and McIntosh had very good years last year
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2009

Although Rocky has bad knees ... a legit reason he hasn't developed is it any different than the complaints about Campbell? The Bears wanted him plus a pick in exchange for Lance Briggs. Right now that is looking more and more like it should have been a good deal because he hasn't lived up to his potential. Compare his year to Lance Briggs? What does the film say?

Yes, he is a starter. Thomas would be on the other side. Fletcher in the middle. Blades is still developing ... but he is best starting at the middle linebacker position, not at outside linebacker.

Posted by: periculum

How do you know Blades is better at MLB than SLB. There is a lot more film on him as SLB, you genius.

Fine, Rocky isn't as good as Lance Briggs. We didn't get Briggs. We got Robert Thomas from the crappy Raiders.

Rocky started 15 games and had over 80 tackles, give him some respect. Unless, your so in love with Thomas and Briggs. How did Briggs get into this???

You're Reaching!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Again, Thomas and Blades are too small for SLB, especially in the Beast. They'll get run over... by big TE's, RT's and RB's like Jacobs... We need a bruiser at SLB.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 9, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Redskins NAtions, Cooley on there.

LarRy Michaels asked (amongst many questions) who is likely to cry at the movies?

JC17

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Who is likely to cry at the movies? How about who is likely to cry at a Redskins game?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

How do you know Blades is better at MLB than SLB. There is a lot more film on him as SLB, you genius.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009

Blades is way too short and too slow to play SLB. He is about Fletcher's height and speed. He fits at MLB.

You're an idiot. Look at the depth charts they almost always place Blades behind Fletcher.

Blades is not an OLB. Why do you think all the pundits expect or believe they would like to draft an Orapko? To play DE? NO. To play SLB. Many think they will draft Curry.

If everything remains equal you will see Thomas starting ... he hasn't been anything special but he is better than anything they have ...

Anyone doubting the Redskins' newest Thomas?

by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

As we told you earlier today, the Redskins have signed veteran Robert Thomas to challenge for the starting spot at strongside linebacker. A former first-round pick out of UCLA, Thomas hasn't exactly lived up to expectations. He's only started 11 games over the past three seasons with the Raiders.

He's a capable special teams guy, but the Redskins already have players to fill that role.

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of idiots ... under the heading of what could happen next to those two fun loving geeks from Saturday Night Live's Redskins skit:

Report: NFL suspends Lynch for three games
[Haynesworth]

April 8, 2009 11:33 PM

ESPN.com's Tim Graham

The NFL has given Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch a three-game suspension for violating the personal conduct policy, ESPN.com's Michael Smith is reporting.

Lynch was suspended because he got in trouble with the law twice in a nine-month span.

He was the driver in a hit-and-run incident in Buffalo on May 31. After controversial legal maneuvering that infuriated the community, Lynch escaped with a traffic ticket because the woman's injuries weren't severe.

The NFL didn't punish Lynch for that episode, but Goodell put him on notice.

Lynch was arrested Feb. 11 in Culver City, Calif., on three felony gun possession charges. Police approached Lynch and two other males in a suspiciously parked 2006 Mercedes-Benz. The officers reportedly smelled marijuana and performed a search of the vehicle. They claimed to find four marijuana-filled cigars and a loaded 9 mm semiautomatic handgun they determined was Lynch's.

The gun charges were reduced, and Lynch eventually agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of a concealed firearm in a vehicle. He received two years probation and 80 hours community service.

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Peri,

Blades played well last year, moron, at SLB. I have see the depth chart. AND, I watched Blades play on the 4th best D!

"He's [R Thomas] only started 11 games over the past three seasons with the Raiders." THE RAIDERS!

Orakpo?? Not even on our radar, tard.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

I would be in favor of trading next years #1 and something miniscule for the chance to draft Curry.from what i have seen at the combine on nfl netwk and in print, to me, he is the best impact player in the draft. I'm talking knock yo ass out! (oh i forgot you can't do that anymore) Hail Skins!

Posted by: jenksredskins | April 9, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Who is likely to cry at the movies? How about who is likely to cry at a Redskins game?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2009 1:03 AM

All I am saying is I don't want my QB to be voted most likely to cry at the movies.

So, they had part 2 of JC17 interview on CSN last night. And Kelli brought up the whole demeanor (sp?) issue up. And JC acknowledge he heard the same thing, but he said don't be mistaken and he can lash out when it needs to happen.

My thing is, ok you talk it, but you need to walk it. Just one time. If he did it just one time (show strong emotion), most everyone would have his back. Even if it is staged, like in preseason. Just get at somebody or show some human emotion, and I'd be off the fence and back JC up fuly.

(Why must everyone give me there tax info at the same time, 7 days before filing. Sleepness nights, here I come....)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 2:18 AM | Report abuse

"He's [R Thomas] only started 11 games over the past three seasons with the Raiders." THE RAIDERS!

Yeah, that's his problem playing for the Raiders ... the Raiders seem to have good young talent at linebacker which is why he didn't play much this past year. Been nicer to get someone like Thomas Howard instead of Robert Thomas ... now Thomas has signed on to the second worst managed team in the league after the Raiders ... the Redskins.

Orakpo?? Not even on our radar, tard.

As you have seen ... you never know with Snidely ... if he wants the guy he will find a way ... but it does look like they are looking hard at Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

(Why must everyone give me there tax info at the same time, 7 days before filing. Sleepness nights, here I come....)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009

4th you'll see "it" this year of that I have no doubt. They've hit the guy hard in his pride and he isn't a Rod Gardner, nor an Arrington. Plus I think you'll see Colt become more aggressive.

As for taxes I can't decide if I should use turbo, taxcut, or the online thing this year. Damned I have to get to them!! You would have to bring that up!

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Jason LaCanfora picks Cushing at 13 here:

Wonder if is still true?

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Moe how about Scout's #1 ranked player in the draft Aaron Curry for SLB? Think he'd fall that far?

Aaron Curry | OLB
Scouts Inc. Grade: 97


Height: 6'1"
Weight: 254 lbs

College: WAKE FOREST


Overall Rank: 1
Position Rank: 1

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 3:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe how about Scout's #1 ranked player in the draft Aaron Curry for SLB? Think he'd fall that far?

Posted by: periculum | April 9, 2009 3:32 AM

I can't believe you even posted this...NO CHANCE Curry is on the board at #13. NO CHANCE. He could get busted for dogfighting between now and draft day and still be a top 10 pick. If he makes it past #3 I'd be shocked.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

'BROWN ALERT, BROWN ALERT : 2 guys defecating
on each other and into a porcelain commode, devouring and spewing into each others' nouths.Posted by: periculum"

Wow. I'm guessing what, OCD? Something along those lines.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 9, 2009 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Snyder should take the package he couldnt sell for Cutler (JC.. which might get him a low 2nd, the 13th pick, Rogers, who else??), and move up to Sanchez....

JC is a terrible return, so far, on the 3 picks given up for him in 2005 to select him in the 1st...

The JC experiment should be over!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2009 8:33 PM

1. Observe Skins stagnant offense

2. Put together a moronic package of picks & players in preparation to give up the farm

3. Pick "splashy" QB in the draft or from another team, while getting fleeced in the process

4. Change coaches frequently.

5. Leave huge holes at key positions (O-line, WRs)

6. Blame QB

7. Lather, rinse, repeat

(The above is a guaranteed recipe for 20 years of mediocrity, and will effectively demoralize an entire team. Should be used primarily for coaches and QBs--but may be used for other positions on a case by case basis!)

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Alan4. What I don't understand is all the criticism of JC. He may not be a "franchise QB", but that depends on how you define the term. To my way of thinking, JC may not be top 5 QB, but I rank him in the top dozen in the league. There aren't too many QB's I would trade heads up for him. He is young, has improved every year, is very coachable. His teammates like him, he is steady, doesn't panic. He can move in the pocket, run when necessary. Teams have gone to the super bowl with much less.

So what if he has a big arm motion. Who else is going to improve the team? Top 5 "franchise QB's" only come along once every couple of years. They aren't available easily. They need to be developed, and that takes time. We have spent 4 years developing JC. That process needs to be continued. This talk of trading him for a low 2nd is absolutely ridiculous.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Don't know why the FO wasted even a 7th on Colt Brennan in the 2008 draft. He is nowhere close to being an NFL QB. Physically he is a runt - 210 lbs. He wouldn't last a full game. He would end up in a MASH unit - where you get sent when mashed by Justin Tuck. He has a weak arm and bad mechanics - a sidearm motion that would doom many of his passes to never getting across the line of scrimage. Leftwich would be a big upgrade over both him and Collins who himself has problems with being old and not a WCO QB by any stretch. Don't know why the FO hasn't tendered Left a contract - maybe they have and he has not accepted. There is a real need there that does not seem to have gotten a lot of attention.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 8, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your comments. But Collins will cost team $2.5 mill cap whether he is on team or not. Left would be a step up, tho.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Chat with Steve Wyche on NFL.com


Vinny Cerrato, Redskins Park 02:35 PM ET:
Im hoping to finally make a good decision Steve! Wouldnt we be better served to trade down in the 1st round and pick up a later 1st round and either 2nd or 3rd rd pick and draft either OL or DE in 1st and LB later?

Steve Wyche, NFL.com: Vinny, If you are asking me for help then maybe you might want to get those resumes circulating. I think you've got a better grip on things than I do. I will give you this advise, trading down is easier said than done but given the fact you need some help on the offensive line and on the edges on the front seven on defense -- and even at DT -- I would keep the pick and nab someone like Michael Oher or Brian Cushing or Aaron Maybin. You're going to be facing some really good offenses in the division and you're off to a good start with Haynesworth.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"The jury is still out on Campbell. He still has room for improvement but it is very clear he wants to improve..."


Whereas I agree with this statement, I also have to acknowledge that given the whims of the redskins' FO, staying on the team to get better is senseless.

Campbell would have to have a Manning/Brees type season next year to get paid, and you know what: that ain't gonna happen.

If I'm Jason Campbell, I want to be traded on draft day to a stable situation.

Let the team get its coveted rookie in Sanchez, let him start on day one, and move on without the silly pretense and fantasy of one guy keeping the position warm while the other learns the system.

The team would be better off with the offense spending the entire offseason learning to get to know the new quarterback this year, as we all know, the old one--Campbell--won't be around anyways.

Yes: this is a change in thinking.

But as is the case with underwear and girlfriends, sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"The jury is still out on Campbell. He still has room for improvement but it is very clear he wants to improve..."


Whereas I agree with this statement, I also have to acknowledge that given the whims of the redskins' FO, staying on the team to get better is senseless.

Campbell would have to have a Manning/Brees type season next year to get paid, and you know what: that ain't gonna happen.

If I'm Jason Campbell, I want to be traded on draft day to a stable situation.

Let the team get its coveted rookie in Sanchez, let him start on day one, and move on without the silly pretense and fantasy of one guy keeping the position warm while the other learns the system.

The team would be better off with the offense spending the entire offseason learning to get to know the new quarterback this year, as we all know, the old one--Campbell--won't be around anyways.

Yes: this is a change in thinking.

But as is the case with underwear and girlfriends, sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Chat with Steve Wyche on NFL.com


Vinny Cerrato, Redskins Park 02:35 PM ET:
Im hoping to finally make a good decision Steve! Wouldnt we be better served to trade down in the 1st round and pick up a later 1st round and either 2nd or 3rd rd pick and draft either OL or DE in 1st and LB later?

Steve Wyche, NFL.com: Vinny, If you are asking me for help then maybe you might want to get those resumes circulating. I think you've got a better grip on things than I do. I will give you this advise, trading down is easier said than done but given the fact you need some help on the offensive line and on the edges on the front seven on defense -- and even at DT -- I would keep the pick and nab someone like Michael Oher or Brian Cushing or Aaron Maybin. You're going to be facing some really good offenses in the division and you're off to a good start with Haynesworth.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Yoder, did this really happen? LOL Or did you make it up? Let's hope he does get those resumes circulating, maybe to 4-eyes or some such.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

'...how about Scout's #1 ranked player in the draft Aaron Curry for SLB...'


If he's there and we live in the real world, I'd take him.

I remember a couple of ACC defenders being impressive from last season: Curry, E. Brown, A Smith, Macho Harris, and a kid playing d-back for G-Tech who should be in the draft in another year.

But we live in redskins' world, which means given all the FO machinations regarding Sanchez, I say take him, get picks for Campbell, and spend the off season grooming the rook to start on day one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

1. Observe Skins stagnant offense

2. Put together a moronic package of picks & players in preparation to give up the farm

3. Pick "splashy" QB in the draft or from another team, while getting fleeced in the process

4. Change coaches frequently.

5. Leave huge holes at key positions (O-line, WRs)

6. Blame QB

7. Lather, rinse, repeat

(The above is a guaranteed recipe for 20 years of mediocrity, and will effectively demoralize an entire team. Should be used primarily for coaches and QBs--but may be used for other positions on a case by case basis!)

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Moe, as Alan4 said last night, we have to break this cycle. We can't get better by discarding a "good but not yet great" QB in hopes of getting a better one in the draft, going through 2-3 years of development during which we change coaches and offenses several times, and think we will be better off in 4 years.

JC can do the job, he isn't hurting the team with TO's, he is not the problem.

Let's concentrate our draft choices on the problem areas.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

fred, I just saw it on the chat transcript. I had a nice laugh...you can enter any name in the form when you submit a question. For instance, I submitted a question for a chat today as Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

There is a chance that Curry would slip to the #4 or 5 choice, and I would love to have him. Seattle has 4, Browns have 5. Browns will take Curry if he slips to them. I think Seattle wants a WR with #4, and may trade back. But we would have to give our #13 and probably our first or second next year to trade. I think that is out of the question. I say sit tight and take OT, or trade back if something of value appears. If we trade back, I would target Britton, Mack, Meredith or Unger.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

fred, I just saw it on the chat transcript. I had a nice laugh...you can enter any name in the form when you submit a question. For instance, I submitted a question for a chat today as Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse
That's really funny.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

But as is the case with underwear and girlfriends, sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 7:58 AM

Hilarious! But agreed on Campbell...there's no doubt he'd be better off somewhere he could actually stay in the same offense for longer than 2 years. I'm still rooting for him to go to Carolina...perfect fit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I generally don't acknowledge the guy but just laugh at (not with) his idiocy and obnoxious brow-beating, narcissistic ways from afar, but this time I've gotta weigh in:

Truth - "dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's"

when prompted to support this claim, he then says "he's average the majority of the time...Not saying he can't win a Superbowl as our QB, but I see him for what he is"

really?? really dude? are you that ignorant, on drugs, both? I don't even know where to start with this. I'll just sit back and chuckle. Thanks man, I needed a good laugh to start Masters Thursday.

p.s. Sorry about them Braves....if you need to jump on the O's bandwagon, there's plenty, PLENTY of room.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

fredie

I'm in total agreement with drafting for needs on the o-line and all other positions.

But if the team is serious about supporting Campbell, it shouldn't send out smoke signals in the form of taking second looks at another quarterback: they've done this with Cutler/Sanchez.

And if this is any indication of how the FO really feels about the quarterback position, well, the ardent fan in me says draft the guy you want. Let him start on day one. Trade Campbell and use the picks you get to address needs.

If the team ends the first day of the draft with a new quarterback and more second day picks, I don't think anyone reading this blog will totally lose his mind.

You have to realize the FO must have some crazy high standard for JC to make to receive and extension--and he won't. So let's move on now.

I'm sorry to disagree with folks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

'...I'm still rooting for him to go to Carolina...perfect fit....'

I could see JC in Carolina, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Want to hurl this morning? Read this:

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — A relaxed Jason Taylor sounded more amenable to returning to the Miami Dolphins on Wednesday as he took a short break from running his annual football camp for area kids.

Taylor, 34, was flattered to hear that current Dolphins like outside linebacker Joey Porter and quarterback Chad Pennington have expressed their support for him to step back into the aqua and orange uniform. While he has not specified nor ruled out any other teams as potential destinations, the thought of lining up on the opposite side of Porter in Miami's 3-4 defensive scheme certainly appears to excite Taylor.

"It's great that (Porter) wants me to come back and I know there are things we can do together," said Taylor, who was released by the Washington Redskins in February after one injury-plagued season following his trade from Miami. "Us being on the opposite sides of each other can obviously work in the right situation, but that's for neither one of us to say, really."

Dolphins vice president of football operations Bill Parcells and general manager Jeff Ireland, along with head coach Tony Sparano, will be the ones to make the decision whether or not to pursue Taylor. Both parties have met and talked since Taylor's release, but he wouldn't go into detail on what was discussed.


Head to the toilet, put a finger deep into your throat, and rid your tummy of breaksfast and last night's burrito.

'Cuz this makes me that sick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

moe, what are you gonna do at this point?? Can't keep looking backwards, gotta look forward at some point. He and his 8.5 million dollar salary are off the books....can't keep beating that issue to death...time to move on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Moe, save "pulling the trigger" until draft day and that 2nd round pick comes along. Watch them take Clint Sintim, a guy who would fit in perfectly at SAM for the Skins. That's when I'll get sick.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

So, as we enter day 101 of the forced route-march that is "the Jason Campbell discussion" what have we learned?

*. Some people rate him highly.
L. Some people think he hasn't got what it takes.
17. Some people would like to rate him highly, but don't - yet.

It seems to me that Zorn is in the '*' column, The Glorious Owner has one foot in columns 'L' and '17', and Brian Peppers, your esteemed GM, is leaning towards whichever column his liege and master finally commits to.

TheOwner: "What time is it Vinny?"
Vinny: "What time would you like it to be Sir?"

Irregardless*, the person who seems to be most supremely indifferent to all this blather is the 'bone of contention' himself. If he's seemingly not bothered, why are all you guys?

* Inserted just to annoy Cload

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

But as is the case with underwear and girlfriends, sometimes change for the sake of change is a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 7:58 AM

Hilarious! But agreed on Campbell...there's no doubt he'd be better off somewhere he could actually stay in the same offense for longer than 2 years. I'm still rooting for him to go to Carolina...perfect fit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse
The real question is not what is best for JC, but what is best for the Skins. I think we need to appreciate what JC can do for us, and surround him with the best support we can accumulate. He is not the problem.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

rc, nicely done, how goes the business??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

As a Fins fan my 2c + tax on Jason Taylor. IF he comes back to Miami - and it's a VERY big if - it's purely on Parcells/Ireland's terms, which means significantly less money.

At this point I would imagine he's more likely to return to retire than to play, but stranger things have happened. For heaven's sake, the 350 year-old Junior (Senior) Seau is still out there somewhere!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

So, as we enter day 101 of the forced route-march that is "the Jason Campbell discussion" what have we learned?

*. Some people rate him highly.
L. Some people think he hasn't got what it takes.
17. Some people would like to rate him highly, but don't - yet.

It seems to me that Zorn is in the '*' column, The Glorious Owner has one foot in columns 'L' and '17', and Brian Peppers, your esteemed GM, is leaning towards whichever column his liege and master finally commits to.

TheOwner: "What time is it Vinny?"
Vinny: "What time would you like it to be Sir?"

Irregardless*, the person who seems to be most supremely indifferent to all this blather is the 'bone of contention' himself. If he's seemingly not bothered, why are all you guys?

* Inserted just to annoy Cload

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree, Redcoat. And to Moe, I say "SJK the FO". Sometimes we have to keep shouting to them, every once in a while they will hear us.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hi Greg, business goes fine. I'm now in month 8 and haven't (yet) managed to bankrupt myself or family through poor performance or revenue collection, so I guess I'm a legitimate business now.

I'm flat out most of the time, hence my not even lurking for a very long time, but I hope to pop in and visit as and when I can.

How are all here? Well, I trust?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

As a Fins fan my 2c + tax on Jason Taylor. IF he comes back to Miami - and it's a VERY big if - it's purely on Parcells/Ireland's terms, which means significantly less money.

At this point I would imagine he's more likely to return to retire than to play, but stranger things have happened. For heaven's sake, the 350 year-old Junior (Senior) Seau is still out there somewhere!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree, rc. Taylor sounds like he would just like a payday now. The mistake we made was last July when the FO paniced and gave up 2 choices for him. He is not worth $8 mill, so we have to move on. If the Fins can sign him to an inexpensive contract, their gain.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

rc, good to hear about the bidniz, congrats. Perhaps I could interest you in a partnership of sorts, in which my investment of 1.5 million bonus points gets my foot in the door?? Let me know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Taylor really wants to play more than he needs more money Fredie, but he's a very proud guy and he's put himself in a difficult situation.

The crazy thing is, with the 3-4 that Miami now plays pretty well, he could do a great job as a roving LB for us, but I suppose we'll never find out now as too much has probably been said.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg. Is the offer 1.5M RI bonus points or your personal cheque for 50c? If yes, I'll take the cheque!

You should have invested those in the Madoff Ponzi scheme when you had the chance, at least you could have gotten the tax write-off at face value then.

Where was 4th when you needed high-quality financial advice!!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

'...save "pulling the trigger" until draft day...'


Will do.

I hate to say it--I like Campbell starting for us, I really do--but if there's any doubt about him from the FO, they should pull that trigger and get the guy they want.

That is, after all, the smart, professional way to get things done.

And besides, if if we get a couple additional picks and a new q-back on draft day, it'll suck up until all the new players show up in Redskins' Park with their new jerseys on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Who knew Robert Thomas was so versatile?

http://www.rtdance.com/main.cfm

Maybe he's going to teach all your linemen tap to help with their footwork? if they combine that with jazz hands, you guys could be unstoppable!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The real question is not what is best for JC, but what is best for the Skins.

Posted by: frediefritz

Agree 100%. I hope JC gets a chance and shows what he is capable of doing with a healthy team, recievers and HC that know what they are doing.

But to me, "what is best for the Skins" is the real question. Not sure if the Dano feels the same way.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Now the REDSKINS have a back-up for ALFRED FINCHER, and a special teams player. Say goodbye to KHARY CAMPBELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 9, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Poll Question:

Does Jim Zorn want to keep Jason Campbell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 9:10 PM
____________________________

Zorn is stuck with whoever they tell him to play.. made a deal for HC. Case in point.. Who made the cuts at the end of last preseason.. Remember what the cut punter said to the Post on his way out....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

You mean the HC has ZERO say in who is QB will be?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 10:29 PM

_________________________________________

Pretty much.. Snyder has 3 picks from 2005 and 30 mil, and 3 wasted years of a top ranked Defense in the NFL, invested in JC.. Zorn was picked to make JC a upper echelon QB..and the investment to finally pay off.. Thats why no matter how important the game was last year and no matter how poorly JC was playing in the last 8 games.. He stayed in over Collins who bailed them out in 2007.

Remember Derrick Frost screaming and kicking on his way out that he was cut not for performance but because of the Front Office.
Remember Billy McMullen, who led the NFL last preseason (yes I know against preseason DB's). Nonetheless he was snapped up by Holmgren in less than 4 hours after the cut. And he ended up outperforming Devin Thomas' 16 game output in less than 3 games before getting injured. However, he has been re-signed by Holmgren for 09. Do you think if Zorn didnt want McMullen on the team and thought he couldnt play, his best friend (Holmgren) would of snapped him up in less than 4 hours before he hit the official nfl wire.
Vinny had three of his higher picks on the line in all cases.. His still suspect two WR's and his "Ray Guy award" punter.
So, NO, I dont think Zorn makes the personnel decisions. i think Front Office Ego's have more weight.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"But to me, "what is best for the Skins" is the real question. Not sure if the Dano feels the same way."

D Sny cares about keeping D Sny's pockets straight.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"But to me, "what is best for the Skins" is the real question. Not sure if the Dano feels the same way"

Curz, where is JM's hammer?? You're better than this...I expect this type of garbage from periculum, and people of his ilk....2 smacks to the back of your head for making this statement...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

People, you don't understand.

Robert Thomas is a good player. He just happened to be playing with the Raiders the last 3 years. He may be a stop gap for us for 1/2 years.

This tells me that we may not be going SAM with #13.

I'll tell you who I think in a sec.

(BTW, before signing Thomas, me and JLaC actually agreed on who they may draft - BCush)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Remember Derrick Frost screaming and kicking on his way out that he was cut not for performance but because of the Front Office.
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Sorry, cannot agree with this statement. Frost should have been cut at least one year before he was. His performance was awful.

I think that JZ is a man of integrity and would not be here if he did not have say in whom his QB is.

And no way is Sanchez being drafted by this team. This is good strategy after the Cutler fiasco to get another team to trade up if Sanchez is there at 13.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Curry would be nice. But we can't give up our entire draft to get him. that FOUR whole picks!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Even if he were the second coming of LT or Ray Lewis, the Skins need a young OT more, especially if Snydley wants to fill the stadium and parking lot next year..As for "The Portis Experiment", no way you can fill his +1400 yards shoes this year unless you get big fish lucky, and a diamond falls to you in the later rounds..Portis, mouth and all, is THE MAN, get over it..Campbell will shine with an upgraded O-line and a little help from last years rookies (including Zorn)..

Posted by: frak | April 8, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

so by that logic, you wouldn't give up 4 draft picks for the best defensive player of his generation...I see

I'm not even arguing we move up to get Curry. But saying you'd pass on him "even if he was the next LT"....hmmm. "You're crazy man...I like you, but you're crazy"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I love the Skins as much as any of you vile beasts but I grow oh so weary of "JC is or is not the answer", and over dissecting the 13th pick. So I ask you the only logical thing that comes to mind:

Who wins in a fight - Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and Larry Johnson versus Mugsy Bogues, Spudd Webb and Kirk Cameron with a baseball bat? Assume that all are in their prime (i.e., Shaq circa 2000, MJ circa 1992, Kirk Cameron circa Year 3 of Growing Pains) and that Mugsy is hopped up on cheap whiskey.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"But to me, "what is best for the Skins" is the real question. Not sure if the Dano feels the same way"

Snyder always wants what's best for the Redskins. The only problem is what he thinks is best isn't what a majority of others think is best (and history has proved he has a lot of work to do in this area).

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

p.s. I meant MJ, not Larry Johnson...had LJ in my mind after that sad excuse for a fight with 'Zo 7-8 yrs back

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

psps23, that's why I said "not sure". Stability would be nice for a change though.

Thanks Greg, for taking it easy on me. 2 smacks I can handle, even from JM's hammer, just not very good at holding my breath...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

we expect a lot out of you curz, maybe it was the pressure, but you're much better than that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Not saying he didnt deserve the cut.. But, his comments showed a prevailing attitude among the players that Zorn is not fully in charge. Basically, that the Front Office gives their Draft picks an advantage over the "best player in preseason or practice". Everyone was screaming when the Skins, last year, kept the majority of their Draft picks.. It was Vinny's Ego on the line with his first year of full Draft control (no Gibbs).
You have to also wonder why with the Redskins trailing in the "must win" games in the latter part of last season, Collins never was inserted. Especially given what he did the previous year when he only got in because JC was injured.
Basically we are rooting for a dysfunctionally managed team (tell us something we dont know).
My guess, in the Spags interview, he picked up on the same dysfunction...and ran away as fast as he could. Imagine in his interview one month after the end of the 2007 season, Spags probably referenced Collins' 4-0, 106 qb rating, NFL player of the month performance (the only highlight of 07 and why the Skins made the playoffs). Only to be probably told by Snyder..it didnt matter. JC had already been informed by Snyder that he was the starter for 08 regardless. Spags probably couldnt get away fast enough..

On the other hand, Zorny towed the line.. JC stayed in, no matter how badly the team needed to win in the last 8 games of last season. No matter how many passes were thrown short of the 1st down marker or the receiver.
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Remember Derrick Frost screaming and kicking on his way out that he was cut not for performance but because of the Front Office.
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Sorry, cannot agree with this statement. Frost should have been cut at least one year before he was. His performance was awful.

I think that JZ is a man of integrity and would not be here if he did not have say in whom his QB is.

And no way is Sanchez being drafted by this team. This is good strategy after the Cutler fiasco to get another team to trade up if Sanchez is there at 13.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 9:47 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Let's move on to something more current: Did Arrington screw the 'Skins or did the 'Skins screw Arrington? Should the 'Skins retire Sean Taylor's number? Or what about Gregg Williams -- should he have been made the head coach?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 5:16 PM

I feel you T_E but your analogy is weeeak. The books on Arrington and Williams are closed. Campbell is the team's QB now and for the immediate future. The team's success or failure largely rests on his shoulders and he's a big question mark. So get used to people talking about him from now until beyond he is either extended or his tenure has ended. Skip those posts and read the one's about who should be picked at 13 - OT, DE or LB. Those always offer something new.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 9, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

i have an idea...since ted leonsis is the best owner is town let's all ditch our cable modems, fios, dsl and go back to aol dial-up, help him make some dough so he could buy the skins. leonsis still has aol stock right?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 9, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so I saw this puff piece about Sanchez. I never paid attention to dude, but after watching the puff piece....I am sold like Dan Snyder on Neon Deon. Though, I may like him for the same superfacil reasons as Snyder. I think he will be a starter. I see alot of me in him.

We should get this dude. Seriously.

We got stop-gaps @ SAM/DE/RT. Get the franchise QB. Let him sit for this year. If Campbell does good, we sign him and trade Sanchez. If he doesn't we trade JC.

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:30 AM

You're aligned with Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"Ok, so I saw this puff piece about Sanchez. I never paid attention to dude, but after watching the puff piece....I am sold like Dan Snyder on Neon Deon."

Got a tape of that piece? We should show it to the GM's picking after us in order to convince them to trade up.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Get the franchise QB. Let him sit for this year. If Campbell does good, we sign him and trade Sanchez. If he doesn't we trade JC"

Sometimes logic just seems out of reach......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Sanchez have only 17 or so starts, against powerhouses like Washington State and Virginia?

What's the big deal with this dude?

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

thanks for axing, im wit u..
Give Danny credit in the Cutler attempt.. He basically said "JC isnt the one and I am not going to waste another year and a great defense.".
I think the Danster goes for Sanchez (2 workouts now at the Park?).

And if he doesnt get a bite at a low 2nd for JC to get Sanchez.. He can hold onto JC whose value will surely go up when another team's starter goes down, to injury before the October trade deadline.

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Ok, so I saw this puff piece about Sanchez. I never paid attention to dude, but after watching the puff piece....I am sold like Dan Snyder on Neon Deon. Though, I may like him for the same superfacil reasons as Snyder. I think he will be a starter. I see alot of me in him.

We should get this dude. Seriously.

We got stop-gaps @ SAM/DE/RT. Get the franchise QB. Let him sit for this year. If Campbell does good, we sign him and trade Sanchez. If he doesn't we trade JC.

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:30 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor

I don't like this idea. Let's address other needs in this draft. From what I've read, next year QB class should be better anyway.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Got a tape of that piece? We should show it to the GM's picking after us in order to convince them to trade up.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 10:39 AM

Don't bother. If any of them wants Sanchez, they have to trade up to #12 or higher. If he's there at #13, he's a 'Skin.

And, I'm still convinced that Snyder/Cerrato/4th are right now trying to trade to #3 or #4 to grab him. (No, I didn't read this somewhere. No, I can't provide "links." I just feel it.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

What's the big deal with this dude?

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 10:41 AM

The media are in love with him, largely based on his terrific work outs. The problem is that if we get him this year, then we won't be able to get next year's media-driven workout wonder. Personally, I'd rather wait.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

'...I don't like this idea-Sanchez...'

I don't like it either.

Who would?

But the front office of the redskins has taken a look at three quarterbacks--Leftwich, Cutler, Sanchez--in a way that suggests that they, and not us bloggas, are defying logic.

What team signals to its starting q-back in his contract year that they may want another guy? The Washington Redskins.

Again: I'd be happy if the team was taking second looks at tackle, linebacker, and center prospects--it isn't.

And if Campbell's execution is to come, make it swift and painless: get the rookie in camp, give him the starting job, trade Campbell on draft day for picks, and move on.

There'd be nothing worse than Sanchez chilling on the sidelines will Campbell starts in what will be a lameduck year for him.

(AFFLACK!!!!!!: Insert image of cute, confused white duck in a number 17 redskins' jersey.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha:

You're aligned with Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: smutsboy | April 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I feel it too.. T-E..
JC is not Vinny's he was Gibb's baby.. Snyder wanted it to work like a biz payoff. Make him a starter no matter what Zorny.

Now with the end of the season and fingers pointing at Vinny for the lack of output of his WR's.. Vinny pointed back at JC who Gibbs wanted, not Vinny.
Vinny won and the bridge was burned with the Cutler attempt.. JC will have some new competition this summer. If he is not traded before then.
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Don't bother. If any of them wants Sanchez, they have to trade up to #12 or higher. If he's there at #13, he's a 'Skin.

And, I'm still convinced that Snyder/Cerrato/4th are right now trying to trade to #3 or #4 to grab him. (No, I didn't read this somewhere. No, I can't provide "links." I just feel it.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:45 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

To anyone who believes the Skins will take an O lineman at 13 stop kidding yourselves...

Vin/Dan take the "best player available" the glaring holes we have in certain positions mean nothing to them

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Sanchez have only 17 or so starts, against powerhouses like Washington State and Virginia?

What's the big deal with this dude?

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 10:41 AM

Eh, Cassel didn't even start in college. Had maybe 20 passing attempts in 4 years.

Now he is making $14 Mil this year.....

But, I can't devulge too much as TE has outed me. From here on, I'm doing nothing but throwing the scent off so we don't have to move up to get said player.

I say we go Orakpo or Oher with #13

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

And, I'm still convinced that Snyder/Cerrato/4th are right now trying to trade to #3 or #4 to grab him. (No, I didn't read this somewhere. No, I can't provide "links." I just feel it.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator

When I read yesterday that Sanchez was getting a second private interview, I got the sense that this draft for the skins will be attempting to draft Sanchez. My guess would be Cleveland because the line of communication as a trading partner has already been opened.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

What team signals to its starting q-back in his contract year that they may want another guy? The Washington Redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 10:52 AM

Didn't San Diego draft Phillip Rivers when Drew Brees was the starter? That seems to have worked out well for everyone. I'm sure that Vinny and Dan are convinced that they can engineer an even-happier ending.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

There'd be nothing worse than Sanchez chilling on the sidelines will Campbell starts in what will be a lameduck year for him.

(AFFLACK!!!!!!: Insert image of cute, confused white duck in a number 17 redskins' jersey.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 10:52 AM

Wow. This is how I KNOW it will happen.

I started the convo this morning of said player.

MistaMoe talks about AFLEC for JC17.

AFLAC is doing a presentation to us employees TODAY @ NOON.

Coincidence? I think not.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse


4th..you should play the frekn lottery today..
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(AFFLACK!!!!!!: Insert image of cute, confused white duck in a number 17 redskins' jersey.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 10:52 AM

Wow. This is how I KNOW it will happen.

I started the convo this morning of said player.

MistaMoe talks about AFLEC for JC17.

AFLAC is doing a presentation to us employees TODAY @ NOON.

Coincidence? I think not.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:00 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Don't back down that easily Curzon..."you're better than that"

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

What was Sanchez in college? I will play his and JC17 #, straight and box.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Kiper posted his newest 4 round mock today. You know who falls to the skins at #13.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

twis, Sanchez, or ASmith?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fad6c3

Anyone catch who that guy who gets obliterated is 8 seconds in?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Until the Redskins provide a stable situation for a quarterback, nobody will ever be good enough to be a "franchise QB" for Snyder. Included in that is a consistent system with a good offensive coordinator, as well as good surrounding pieces (including offensive line and secondary & tertiary wide receivers). It is not a good situation right now to draft a QB, any QB, with the intention of him being the future.

The thing is, if Campbell doesn't do well, he's gone --- along with Jim Zorn. Out the door, and in comes a new coach. And having blown the draft load on (1) a player not with the franchise anymore -- JT, and (2) trading up to get the new "franchise QB", the team is once again stuck with inadequate surrounding pieces for what you hope becomes a "franchise QB". Sanchez will have sat and "learned" a system that will no longer be there, will have wasted a year of his career, and will be put into a situation of worse surrounding talent than was there before (due to age).

And if JC does well, then you've got a 1st round back-up that you traded the farm to get and will be nearly forced to trade away for pennies on the dollar.

Even if Campbell isn't "the guy", the best thing to do is to build the pieces around him so that when you do get your "franchise QB", he isn't stuck in some dwindling situation. If you draft a lineman or two this year, and they develop into good starting players, you've created a favorable environment for your prospective new guy. And if Campbell fails and Zorn goes with him, you bring in a new coach AND the QB at the same time. You build the QB up in ONE system early in his career (like Manning with Tom Moore, Brady with Charlie Weis, Cutler with Shanahan, etc.) instead of continually forcing a guy to learn a new system every year. It's better for both parties in that situation.

IMO, even if you were 100% sure that Campbell isn't the answer, you should be very reluctant to draft a QB this season. Especially not trading up to draft a QB. Way too many question marks with this offense to provide a young QB a good opportunity to succeed under an impatient owner.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Next year will have the money QBs. Sanchez will go to Seattle or Cleveland (#4 and #5). WYSIWYG w/USC guys anyway.

Line line line line. Offensive line ... or doom.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:30 AM

You're aligned with Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

well said. the guy has played 1 full season in the Pac 10. didn't Akili Smith play one full season at a Pac 10 school?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I know a lot of guys see the team taking a qb, but I can't, I really can't see that happening....cl, good to see you posting again.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Telling you guys, Sanchez is a smoke screen that the FO is using to hide who they really want. When 21 was drafted they went to Miami and looked at Winslow. Never even looked STaylor's way.

Sanchez will not be a Redskin.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:09 AM

1st (and Last) time I have EVER been hyped by a mock draft pick!

Until the draft, his new name will be 'Said Player', atleast in my eyes....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

CL finds his mark yet again with a subtle yet effective jab.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, I can't see Cleveland taking a qb, not with Anderson, and Quinn on the roster already. Seattle maybe, but not Cleveland...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I ask again jerkmufflers - Shaq, MJ and 'Zo against Muggsy, Spud and Kirk Cameron with a bat (baseball)...who wins a fight?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

well said. the guy has played 1 full season in the Pac 10. didn't Akili Smith play one full season at a Pac 10 school?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM

And Cassel played ZERO full games, let alone season, in the Pac-10. and making $14Mil this year......

What's your point?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

how about Roy williams (ex-cowboy) as a SLB :)

Posted by: overzealous08 | April 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Telling you guys, Sanchez is a smoke screen that the FO is using to hide who they really want. When 21 was drafted they went to Miami and looked at Winslow. Never even looked STaylor's way.

Sanchez will not be a Redskin.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM

I wish I could believe these guys were subtle enough to put up a smokescreen, but when they took Campbell they telegraphed it to everyone in the league -- Gibbs, et al flew to Auburn for a workout and then they traded up for Denver's #1 a few days before the draft. If anyone had wanted Campbell, they could have traded to the spot ahead of Denver's. These guys are not poker players.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Telling you guys, Sanchez is a smoke screen that the FO is using to hide who they really want. When 21 was drafted they went to Miami and looked at Winslow. Never even looked STaylor's way.

Sanchez will not be a Redskin.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2009 11:14 AM

Sadly, I agree. I agree. That and DThomas said he NEVER had a workout nor spoke to any Redskins officials before being drafted by them.


BUT. Huge But. The 1st round is starting to shape up to be a Snyder's pick. Not Vinny's.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"These guys are not poker players"

Agreed, but I bet they are good at Memory. You know that game of blind, at best semi informed guessing?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I like huge buts, and I can not lie....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

dcsween Plan B

1st round DE
Chris Wilson to SLB
Heyer at RT
3rd round guard

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, but I bet they are good at Memory. You know that game of blind, at best semi informed guessing?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 11:23 AM |

Right, the ones where the kids can always beat their parents. I hate that game. I like games that involve chugging a beer when you get something wrong. Memory beer!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

'...I say we go Orakpo or Oher with #13...'


I hope it's Oher or Smith at 13, too.

But if Sanchez is the pick, well, the new slogan will be, "I hope the Trojan provides the best feeling of satisfaction"

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If you weren't sold on Sanchez at the end of the season, you should not be now. Seriously, who ever has a bad personal workout? He beat Ohio State, but who else has he truly faced? Even his on coach thought he should have stayed. I can understand drafting a qb for the future if you think JC is not the man. The problem is Sanchez is not the man either.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

dcsween Plan B

1st round DE
Chris Wilson to SLB
Heyer at RT
3rd round guard

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 11:25 AM

Going nowhere. Let's seen dcsween Plan S. This is the one where you trade this year's first and third, next year's first and second, plus Jason Campbell to move up to #5 and get Snachez, plus an extra sixth this year and a fifth next year. (And, you can't drink the fifth). So what do you do, Sween, with this year's picks?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

who ever has a bad personal workout?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 11:27 AM

Andre Smith.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I can understand drafting a qb for the future if you think JC is not the man. The problem is Sanchez is not the man either.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 11:27 AM

That's not how we do it here. Some teams draft for need. Some draft for BPA -- best player available. Skins draft BPA with a Jasno twist -- Biggest 'Plash Available. That would have to be Sanchez this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80fad6c3

Anyone catch who that guy who gets obliterated is 8 seconds in?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hard to tell in the blur of OL dude getting treated like a rental car. Oregon ducks maybe? Who played LT for them last year?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 9, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Touche'

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

IMO when Cleveland is on the clock, both the Broncos and Skins will be calling them.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

who ever has a bad personal workout?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 11:27 AM

Andre Smith.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:30 AM

I think he meant to say who had a bad work out that hurt their draft status?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

young Angels starting pitcher has been killed in a hit and run out in California, Nick Adenhart.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Hard to tell in the blur of OL dude getting treated like a rental car. Oregon ducks maybe? Who played LT for them last year?"

I was thinking it was an Oregon helmet as well. Which would mean it was most likely Max Unger that Ayers destroyed in 1 on 1's (I don't think any other Oregon linemen were invited to the Senior Bowl). I would be satisfied with Ayers at 13...as long as A. Smith was long gone.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Irregardless*, the person who seems to be most supremely indifferent to all this blather is the 'bone of contention' himself. If he's seemingly not bothered, why are all you guys?

* Inserted just to annoy Cload

Consider me to be choking on a bone of contention.

JC controls his own fate at this point, and has the opportunity to make some real money -- if his faith in himself is justified. If he gets distracted by the fact that some goober in Potomac doesn't love him enough, then he deserves what he earns for himself.

Posted by: daggar | April 9, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

was thinking it was an Oregon helmet as well. Which would mean it was most likely Max Unger that Ayers destroyed in 1 on 1's (I don't think any other Oregon linemen were invited to the Senior Bowl). I would be satisfied with Ayers at 13...as long as A. Smith was long gone.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Is Ayers DE or LB or hybrid? Junior? Senior?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 9, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If he gets distracted by the fact that some goober in Potomac doesn't love him enough, then he deserves what he earns for himself.

Posted by: daggar | April 9, 2009 11:43 AM

Finally, something original comes out of the unending JC non-controversy: First time ever that the boss has been called "some goober in Potomac."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

va, Ayers is a DE, and I'm ok with him if the OL guys are gone, and a trade back isn't an option.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Ayers is a senior DE

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"I ask again jerkmufflers - Shaq, MJ and 'Zo against Muggsy, Spud and Kirk Cameron with a bat (baseball)...who wins a fight?"

It's 2 T-Rex's and a Allosaurus vs. 2 Velociraptors and a Triceratops (complete with the horn). Gotta go with Shaqtus on this one.

Dinosaurs are fun.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Mike Mayock on Path to The Draft last night said that in three years, Ayers will be considered the best defensive player in this year's draft.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so I saw this puff piece about Sanchez. I never paid attention to dude, but after watching the puff piece....I am sold like Dan Snyder on Neon Deon. Though, I may like him for the same superfacil reasons as Snyder. I think he will be a starter. I see alot of me in him.

We should get this dude. Seriously.

We got stop-gaps @ SAM/DE/RT. Get the franchise QB. Let him sit for this year. If Campbell does good, we sign him and trade Sanchez. If he doesn't we trade JC.

Ok, who is on the Sanchez bandwagon alreay? I need to know who I am aligned with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

In all probability, there is not a franchise QB in the 2009 draft. They only come along once every 2-3 years. With Sanchez, we go right back into the 4 year cycle... learn the playbook first year, show flashes of brilliance second year, learn to read blitzes and not watch receiver third year, then have owner diss you in 4th year. In other words, 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and 8-8. Wow, isn't this exciting! Aaaggghhhhh!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, what happened to Everette Brown? He was a top 10 pick early on, now it seems like Ayers has replaced him.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really think Sanchez will get by Denver at #12?

He's trade bait for the Skins if he makes it to #13...

Posted by: siris | April 9, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"I generally don't acknowledge the guy but just laugh at (not with) his idiocy and obnoxious brow-beating, narcissistic ways from afar, but this time I've gotta weigh in:

Truth - "dude JC is definitely in the bottom half, if not quarter, of the league when it comes to QB's"

when prompted to support this claim, he then says "he's average the majority of the time...Not saying he can't win a Superbowl as our QB, but I see him for what he is"

really?? really dude? are you that ignorant, on drugs, both? I don't even know where to start with this. I'll just sit back and chuckle. Thanks man, I needed a good laugh to start Masters Thursday.

p.s. Sorry about them Braves....if you need to jump on the O's bandwagon, there's plenty, PLENTY of room.


Posted by: Notorious_LMG"


sorry I don't have time to go out and get stats that support my claim. I could probably find stats that say JC is either the best QB ever or the worst QB ever if I had the time.

I'm talking about sitting and watching the dude play, he's average as hell. And I like JC and hope he balls out next year and is MVP of the league. He's a good character guy just like all our other average *** players.

For the love of god, please excuse me for being tired of having a team full of AVERAGE players, and all we hear is "Oh it's not his fault, it's the other average guy's fault". Then someone says "Wait a second, Average Player #2 isn't at fault, it's Average Player #3". It's the same crap. A very good player would stop making excuses (or wouldn't need people to make excuses for him) and just get the job done. That is something JC hasn't done.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

and I'm not saying we should cut JC or trade him or start Collins or (for the love of god) Colt.

We have JC this year, period. Drafting a QB in the first round would be stupid. We have to let 'em play.

But don't cry to me when we finish 8-8 or (omg) 9-7 next year and miss the playoffs again with JC having the same average *** numbers.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow...alot of verbage regarding "new system", "surrounding pieces"..etc..
However, the theory is Flacco'd to pieces with shot of Ryan and a load of Pennington. Ravens, Falcons and Fins have a below average OL and WR corps.. bout on par with Skins.
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Until the Redskins provide a stable situation for a quarterback, nobody will ever be good enough to be a "franchise QB" for Snyder. Included in that is a consistent system with a good offensive coordinator, as well as good surrounding pieces (including offensive line and secondary & tertiary wide receivers). It is not a good situation right now to draft a QB, any QB, with the intention of him being the future.

The thing is, if Campbell doesn't do well, he's gone --- along with Jim Zorn. Out the door, and in comes a new coach. And having blown the draft load on (1) a player not with the franchise anymore -- JT, and (2) trading up to get the new "franchise QB", the team is once again stuck with inadequate surrounding pieces for what you hope becomes a "franchise QB". Sanchez will have sat and "learned" a system that will no longer be there, will have wasted a year of his career, and will be put into a situation of worse surrounding talent than was there before (due to age).

And if JC does well, then you've got a 1st round back-up that you traded the farm to get and will be nearly forced to trade away for pennies on the dollar.

Even if Campbell isn't "the guy", the best thing to do is to build the pieces around him so that when you do get your "franchise QB", he isn't stuck in some dwindling situation. If you draft a lineman or two this year, and they develop into good starting players, you've created a favorable environment for your prospective new guy. And if Campbell fails and Zorn goes with him, you bring in a new coach AND the QB at the same time. You build the QB up in ONE system early in his career (like Manning with Tom Moore, Brady with Charlie Weis, Cutler with Shanahan, etc.) instead of continually forcing a guy to learn a new system every year. It's better for both parties in that situation.

IMO, even if you were 100% sure that Campbell isn't the answer, you should be very reluctant to draft a QB this season. Especially not trading up to draft a QB. Way too many question marks with this offense to provide a young QB a good opportunity to succeed under an impatient owner.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 11:12 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

KC gets JASON CAMPBELL, a second next year. We pick AARON CURRY 6'3" 250 as SAM, then sign LEFTWICH, and pick MICHAEL OHER OT 6'5" 315 with our first, MARCUS FREEMAN LB OHIO STATE 6'0" 250 third, CORNELIUS LEWIS OG TENNESSEE STATE 6'4" 330 fifth, GREG TOLER CB ST.PAULS 5'11" 190 sixth, AARON KELLY WR CLEMSON 6'5" 180 comp. seventh and CECIL NEWTON Jr. C TENNESSEE STATE 6'2" 300 in FA after the draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Even if Campbell isn't "the guy", the best thing to do is to build the pieces around him so that when you do get your "franchise QB", he isn't stuck in some dwindling situation. If you draft a lineman or two this year, and they develop into good starting players, you've created a favorable environment for your prospective new guy. And if Campbell fails and Zorn goes with him, you bring in a new coach AND the QB at the same time. You build the QB up in ONE system early in his career (like Manning with Tom Moore, Brady with Charlie Weis, Cutler with Shanahan, etc.) instead of continually forcing a guy to learn a new system every year. It's better for both parties in that situation.

IMO, even if you were 100% sure that Campbell isn't the answer, you should be very reluctant to draft a QB this season. Especially not trading up to draft a QB. Way too many question marks with this offense to provide a young QB a good opportunity to succeed under an impatient owner.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Well said, psps. Unfortunately, you demonstrate maturity and wisdom that seems to be lacking in our FO. Maybe they will fool us for once. Please let this be a smokescreen.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Yoder-lay-hee-who Mayock and Casserly were concerned that Brown is a one trick pony, i.e. a speed rusher w/o counter moves. They think early in his career he may not be as effective as the other top DE. Charles Davis loves him because of his speed around the corner. Davis believes that with proper coaching Brown could be a draft day steal.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"KC gets JASON CAMPBELL, a second next year. We pick AARON CURRY 6'3" 250 as SAM, then sign LEFTWICH"

Congrats on winning the most MORONIC post of the day.

True or False, KC just traded for Matt Cassell...so why would they want Campbell??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I ask again jerkmufflers - Shaq, MJ and 'Zo against Muggsy, Spud and Kirk Cameron with a bat (baseball)...who wins a fight?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse
I need to know if Muggsy has ever swung a bat before.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Drafting a QB would be stupid this year"

you just sealed it!

With the 13th Washington selects Mark Sanchez

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007 why would KC drop out of the first round in this draft for JC, who will be a backup there, and a second next year?

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsween Plan B

1st round DE
Chris Wilson to SLB
Heyer at RT
3rd round guard

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 11:25 AM

Going nowhere. Let's seen dcsween Plan S. This is the one where you trade this year's first and third, next year's first and second, plus Jason Campbell to move up to #5 and get Snachez, plus an extra sixth this year and a fifth next year. (And, you can't drink the fifth). So what do you do, Sween, with this year's picks?


Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

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Plan A: Maybe we can trade 2 #1 picks to Denver and draft Jason Campbell and then trade Jason Campbell and 2 #1 picks to Denver for Jay Cutler -- WOW! That would be 4 #1 draft picks for Jay Cutler!!! That guy must be great!

dcsween and talent_evaluator, don't they make you crazy!

How about:

1st round DE
Chris Wilson to SLB
Heyer at RT
3rd round Center
(we need a backup center; in the 3rd round, we ought to be able to find somebody who can develop into a starter about the time Rabach's deal is up).
5th round LB
6th round Guard
7th round DB

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 9, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TWISI, I guess some team will get a steal depending on how far he drops.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It's 2 T-Rex's and a Allosaurus vs. 2 Velociraptors and a Triceratops (complete with the horn). Gotta go with Shaqtus on this one.

Dinosaurs are fun.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Unless Kirk is on smack and lands a blow with the bat early. Otherwise the little men get crushed.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

lol...no, it will be Washington picks Sanchez with the 3rd pick after trading JC, Rogers, and the 2009 + 2010 First round picks.
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"Drafting a QB would be stupid this year"

you just sealed it!

With the 13th Washington selects Mark Sanchez

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 12:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Since I'm on the A. Smith train if he falls this year...guess I have to be on the B. Spikes train next year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rl9hpVv_vc&NR=1

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

**** Brandon Spikes

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"young Angels starting pitcher has been killed in a hit and run out in California, Nick Adenhart."

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:40 AM

That's terrible.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 9, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Yea Truth, you know all about Mr. Spikes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQShWogLzw&feature=related

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Petulant" is an adjective one would use to describe a child, NOT the owner of the Washington Redskins, who happens to be a full grown man.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Do you know what petulant means? It means moved to or showing sudden, impatient irritation, esp. over some trifling annoyance.

That is the PERFECT description of Daniel Snyder. Look at what he did with Norv when the Skins were still in the hunt. Look at what he did to team chemistry when he brought in Jeff George. Look at what he did with Marty S. Look at how he doles out draft picks like they are pink slips at Circuit City. No, "petulant" is the most apt description that can be given to the way he runs this team. The definition has nothing to do with age, look it up.

www.dictionary.com

Posted by: moosepod | April 9, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm just not sold on Sanchez. Why give up on JC when we've invested multiple picks and finally gotten him into a potentially winning situation? Yes, it is a gamble to say that one of the "redshirts" (as your boy Doc Walker calls them) will step up, but there is a reasonable chance. If we draft a solid OT, in his 2nd yr in the same system (albeit not one ideally tailored for him), he can be good enough with our defense. And if he doesn't produce this year, you can always draft one next year, when the class is deeper.

I'll grant you that the FO is not the wiliest of bunches, but I agree that Sanchez is a smoke screen.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

We have a good opportunity to take the BEST player on the board and have that player be a position of need.

Oher, Cushing, Jenkins, Jackson, Ayers

Lions, 9ers, and/or Broncos all need QB's and select before us.

Of course the FO could blow it all up, but I'm keeping the faith that we do the right thing. Even if it is by default.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Skins could go OL, DE or LB with their first pick. I don't expect them to trade down, because they're too optimistic about where the team stands and too fascinated by many of the top ranked players (big plash factor).

Since last years crop of receivers still have so much to prove, the Skins should lock in to OL and pick up LB with a late round picks. Picking an OL that can come in play will improve the running game and give Campbell a little more time.

If you pick a defensive player with #13, you're starting the same old offensive that couldn't play down the stretch last year (someone said it yesterday).

I'm hopeful that Albert Haynesworth will shock the OL into reality during practice. Since our DL push (pass rush) has been so lacking, I'm sure the OL felt a little too comfortable last season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 9, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really think Sanchez will get by Denver at #12?

He's trade bait for the Skins if he makes it to #13...

Posted by: siris | April 9, 2009 11:57 AM

Denver is not interested in Sanchez. They think Kyle Orton can run their offense. They have too many other needs (like the 'Skins) to waste picks on a workout-wonder QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

my guess is that if Snyder is in search of a pick to move up to Sanchez, he is targeting the team that would be the most strapped financially to sign a number one. I would speculate KC is that team at number 3 in the first round, given the cost of Cassell's 14 Million hanging over them.
I bet its a 3 way with KC and JC moving to that yet to be determined 3rd party.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

However, the theory is Flacco'd to pieces with shot of Ryan and a load of Pennington. Ravens, Falcons and Fins have a below average OL and WR corps.. bout on par with Skins.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY is the Fins receiver corps on a par with the Skins. They are not very good - Camarillo's overachieving and Bess' potential notwithstanding. The Fins just made the most of what they had is all.

You have to dance with the one you brung, not the one you'd like to brang/brung/bring/whatever.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm hopeful that Albert Haynesworth will shock the OL into reality during practice. Since our DL push (pass rush) has been so lacking, I'm sure the OL felt a little too comfortable last season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 9, 2009 12:20 PM

With most of the O-line coming back from surgery, I don't know that they were "comfortable". I just wonder how we went from this:

Several people told us that the offensive line was the greatest area of concern during the first series of meetings....There was a consensus among those in attendance that the team needs to upgrade at both guard spots and right tackle....
Cerrato was looking for reasons for the team's 2-6 finish, which some coaches at first thought was a joke given personnel issues and the continuing age and injury problems of the line.

...to focusing on every position EXCEPT the O-line that caused the team to collapse last year...

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Wow...alot of verbage regarding "new system", "surrounding pieces"..etc..
However, the theory is Flacco'd to pieces with shot of Ryan and a load of Pennington. Ravens, Falcons and Fins have a below average OL and WR corps.. bout on par with Skins."

Pennington wasn't a rookie (no idea how he enters the discussion), Flacco was a below average QB last season carried by a top 5 running game, a dominant offensive line, and the #2 defense, and Ryan is a once-in-blue-moon QB that beasts out his rookie year, who most certainly has FAR from a "below average" OL, and a decent (better than the Redskins) WR corp.

You could bank on a rookie stepping in and playing like Ryan, but history would show you that's beyond dumb. Best bet is 2 years down the road he would be a good player, but consistent shuffling among personnel and coaches would severely hinder that progress.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't see Cleveland taking a qb, not with Anderson, and Quinn on the roster already. Seattle maybe, but not Cleveland ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 11:16 AM

I can't see Cleveland keeping both Anderson and Quinn.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Why give up on JC when we've invested multiple picks and finally gotten him into a potentially winning situation?

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Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 9, 2009 12:18 PM

I don't know, but I feel like Dan Snyder today.

I promise if I ever by the Redskins, that I will hire a true GM and will not interfere.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I like huge buts, and I can not lie....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 11:24 AM

I like big buts, and I can not spell.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Chia, if you're out there you gotta watch this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30136699#30136699

I've seen everything now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 9, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Until the Redskins provide a stable situation for a quarterback, nobody will ever be good enough to be a "franchise QB" for Snyder"

Um, somebody mind telling me exactly what constitutes a 'franchise quarterback'?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 9, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

notorious

'.... I'm just not sold on Sanchez. Why give up on JC when we've invested multiple picks and finally gotten him into a potentially winning situation?'


Exactly.

Even the 'tard in the corner with his finger up his nose realizes changing his position will diminish the return on his pleasure.

But not our front office.

By taking a second look at Sanchez after trying to trade for Cutler, they are telling their starting quarterback, "We like you, but we don't like you," and "Damn you and your contract year."

The FO should let Campbell prepare and train without any player on the team doubting their faith in him as a leader.

But they've shown their had: and if they don't want him, let them get the guy they want and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

F drafting Sanchez. I'm about as interested in drafting a "franchise" quarterback as I was in trading for Cutler. This team has TOO MANY NEEDS to be fixated on the QB position.

Unless Sanchez can play tackle or guard for us while he's learning how to play QB in the league. But I'm not sure if he's willing to do that. Maybe Bugel has talked to him.

Maybe Snyder/Vinnie have indeed decided to open up the QB position -- something along the lines of a season-long competition for the job, with Campbell seeded #1 but by no means assured of anything after the season starts -- which seems like a reasonable conclusion given the Cutler hullabaloo and Leftwich mini-hullabaloo. Or they could just be trying to light a fire under Campbell. Or they could just be effin' with us. I wouldn't rule that out.

Anyway, I hope the Sanchez chatter up here has only taken off because all the Cutler/Leftwich talk makes it seem like they're focused on QB. But hopefully they're not. Hopefully they're focused on the freakin' offensive line. Hopefully.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Redcoat.. my point exactly..
And JC had 06 and 07 under his belt... basically a Vet when you compare him to Flacco and Ryan, last year. Too bad JC embraced this "new system" loser excuse.. He mentions it in almost every interview.. along with "be there for my teammates" and "be the best I can be"... How about "win a playoff game" or "make it to the playoffs" which he has never achieved.
Snydee's got JC in his rear view mirror.. to borrow from a country song...
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However, the theory is Flacco'd to pieces with shot of Ryan and a load of Pennington. Ravens, Falcons and Fins have a below average OL and WR corps.. bout on par with Skins.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY is the Fins receiver corps on a par with the Skins. They are not very good - Camarillo's overachieving and Bess' potential notwithstanding. The Fins just made the most of what they had is all.

You have to dance with the one you brung, not the one you'd like to brang/brung/bring/whatever.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 12:31 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So what do you do, Sween, with this year's picks?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 9, 2009 11:29 AM

Trade all of them for some magic beans.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

He mentions it in almost every interview.. along with "be there for my teammates" and "be the best I can be"... How about "win a playoff game" or "make it to the playoffs" which he has never achieved.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:42 PM

Jay Cutler has never achieved these things, either. No Playoffs. But he was "the best he could be" behind a dominant O-line, with excellent receivers. Can't say he wanted to "be there for his teammates", though. And now he's getting paid.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Um, somebody mind telling me exactly what constitutes a 'franchise quarterback'?

Posted by: Samson151"

When Dan Snyder says so, most likely deriving from youth and big statistics.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Alan 4 who said denver had a dominant O line?

you are so hard up for Campbell it is ridiculous

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"He mentions it in almost every interview.. along with "be there for my teammates" and "be the best I can be"... How about "win a playoff game" or "make it to the playoffs" which he has never achieved."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:42 PM

He mentions getting the team "where they want to be" or "where they need to go" all the time. Get a new argument stalker.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Mike Mayock: Broncos Need Sanchez
Posted: Apr 08, 2009 8:30PM By RYAN WILSON (RSS feed)
Filed Under: Broncos, NFL Draft, NFL Fans, NFL Coaching

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with you SNaGM.

I do not want to here anymore that he has been in 10 systems in 6 years. That was cute earlier, but all that cuddling has to go.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Is Jason Campbell's real problem that he's just not 'sexy' enough?

He seems like a decent, hard working, humble sort of guy. He doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve like a Favre, McNabb, or Cutler, he's not 'media friendly' like Manning (P) or Hasselbeck, and he's certainly not 'glamo(u)rous' like Brady, or - God help us - Romo.

He's plainly somewhat uncomfortable in the spotlight, and can seem a little inarticulate. Much of what I hear him say comes across as what he feels he ought to be saying - or even what he's been coached to say - rather than giving any insight into what he really thinks about the subject.

In that respect he reminds me of The Sphinx from Mystery Men; he just seems to be regurgitating a bunch of tired nostrums.

That said, if you place the quarterback in the context of 'proxy on the field for the owner' how do you think 'Mr' Snyder will feel about Jason then?

As an example of this, look at the 'proxies' Jerry Jones puts on the field. He is plainly more comfortable with an Aikman/Romo (a 'star') than a Bledsoe (dull, bur worthy).

Wotcherfink?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez will be here next week!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that the Bronco's need Sanchez, they also need some defensive players, more so I'd venture than they need Sanchez.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Every QB is in a very unique situation.

Comparing everything to the Ravens and Falcons, or the Steelers is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".

It's sabataje to let Campbell go after our investment in him. We all saw a MUCH IMPROVED QB last year. We swept the Eagles!!!! We beat the Boys in Dallas!!!! Maybe our formula for winning doesn't involve an elite QB. Great D, solid run game, and heart.

i say sabataje

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Forgive the prolonged previous post.

I guess I was just trying to say that Dan Snyder is Donald Trump. Mark Brunoodle was Ivana, and Jason is Marla Maples.

Donald (Dan) has already emotionally 'moved on' in his eternal quest for the 'trophiest' wife of all time.

Jason's nice enough 'an all, he just isn't pretty enough in that context. 'Mr' Snyder wants a quarterback that other teams covet, not one that they think is 'okay'.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Alan 4 who said denver had a dominant O line?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 12:52 PM


Clinton Portis : I wish I still had the Denver offensive line

O-line Rankings (2008): This is an excellent analysis that considers new additions to the offensive line, injuries suffered last season, the durability of the line, the average age of the line and the depth of the line. You can click on each team for an in depth discussion.

Anyhoo, the Broncos are given the higest overall rating, "very good" (A). Skins score "fair" (C).

We can argue about dominant (I still think they are), but it's hard to dispute they're one of the top O-lines in the NFL.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has bought into this "new system" excuse which he DOES mention all the time.. I guess those of you with your JC Love.. are looking forward to "stat padding" short passes to WRs in front of the 1st down marker (if he gets it to the WR) next year. Do you really want watch that s--t again??
He's had four years to figure it out.. and the last one with allegedly the best QB coach in the league and how did he do? 13 TD's and 3200 yards, 3 passes for more than 40+ yds.. Snyder couldnt get a 2nd for him so it would appear the rest of the NFL has figured it out too.

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"He mentions it in almost every interview.. along with "be there for my teammates" and "be the best I can be"... How about "win a playoff game" or "make it to the playoffs" which he has never achieved."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 12:42 PM

He mentions getting the team "where they want to be" or "where they need to go" all the time.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 12:53 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"He's plainly somewhat uncomfortable in the spotlight,"

Shrinking violet as QB. Nice.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 9, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Wotcherfink?

Posted by: Redcoat

I've read, though I do not recall the source, that Campbell is one of the more competitve guys on the team. In my opinion, we're seeing "Game Face" and energy conservation. You know who else always read the script to the media? Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

samson151

'...Um, somebody mind telling me exactly what constitutes a 'franchise quarterback'?'


Increasingly, the term 'franchise quarterback' is becoming as out-dated as the wishbone offense.

It used to be a guy got drafted, sat on the bench for a couple of seasons, learned the system, and didn't play until the last 'franchise quarterback' drafted was retired.

Now, because of the money-impatience-marketing-agitated fanbase vortex, if a guy hasn't shown he's a star right away, teams want to trade him or replace him with the next new savior.

The Washington Redskins are in the middle of this vortex right about now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"It's a challenge. At the same time, you know, it's an opportunity for me in this type of moments to sit back and just look at everything as far as a professional standpoint and as a business and just understand this is a day to day thing, this is... uhhh, the nature that we live in and... uhhhh, one thing I wanted to as far as myself is to just continue to keep preparing, continue to keep working because you don't know if it's just speculation or something that's really going on, but I really didn't want to get caught up into the midst of it. I wanted to make sure I was doing everything I could to be ready for minicamp, to be ready for training camp and to let my teammates know I'm here, here for them and here to win and no matter what everything that's going on on the outside and things that's out of our control. You know, one thing I can control is me preparing myself to have the best season since I've been here."

-Jason Campbell

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 9, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell has bought into this "new system" excuse which he DOES mention all the time.. I guess those of you with your JC Love.. are looking forward to "stat padding" short passes to WRs in front of the 1st down marker (if he gets it to the WR) next year. Do you really want watch that s--t again??
He's had four years to figure it out.. and the last one with allegedly the best QB coach in the league and how did he do? 13 TD's and 3200 yards, 3 passes for more than 40+ yds.. Snyder couldnt get a 2nd for him so it would appear the rest of the NFL has figured it out too."

Blah, blah, blah. We get it, you don't think Campbell will succeed. You have every right to your opinion. Just don't come out and say things like "I wish he would talk about playoffs instead of just playing for his teammates." It's BS, and just shows you personally don't like the guy. You're talking about what he does in the media for cryin out loud. Interviews? We're talkin about interviews? Not the game...not practice...interviews??

It's put up or shut up time for JC this year. Instead of taking the pessimistic view and spouting all the reasons why I think he'll fail, I think I'll sit back, be a fan and hope he succeeds. If he doesn't, I'll root for the next guy. He deserves the chance though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

He's had four years to figure it out.. and the last one with allegedly the best QB coach in the league and how did he do? 13 TD's and 3200 yards, 3 passes for more than 40+ yds..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 1:13 PM

Matt Hasselbeck had 7 TDs and 2023 yards in his third year in the league, his first with Zorn. Along with 8 INTs. In Hasselbeck's second year with Zorn (4th in the league) he had a year similar to JC past season: 15 TDs, 3075 yards (but still 10 INTs).

But instead of giving up and establishing a dysfucntional QB/coach replacement cycle like Snyder, Hasselbeck's team kept him and Zorn together for more than one year and allowed him to have 3 Pro Bowl years after that.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"are looking forward to "stat padding" short passes to WRs in front of the 1st down marker"

Yes, because having Campbell throw beyond the 1st down marker at the same time his WR runs the route in front of the 1st down marker is what we all want to see next season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hear you LH. As you know, there are many different styles of leadership, each having relative plusses/minuses.

Jason is clearly more passive than many people are comfortable with in that position, but it doesn't mean he's bound to be ineffective.

It does make it tougher though for him to reach the peaks in a team sport that places such a premium on an excess of testosterone.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton...

"No one should be surprised if the Redskins take Mark Sanchez at #13 if he is available"

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 9, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"I agree. Unless Kirk is on smack and lands a blow with the bat early. Otherwise the little men get crushed.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG"

It's all about strategy with those little guys. I'd think Mugsy and Spud pull a tag team on Shaq and use their quickness to keep Shaq from getting a hold of them early on, while Kirk attempts to take out 'Zo 1-on-1 with quick blow from the baseball bat. The x-factor is Jordan. Does he help out Shaq or does he take the risk of blindsiding a guy with the baseball bat? If Kirk could get the knockout on Mourning early, I think the little guys could have a chance.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe it when it happens....regardless of what everyone is saying, I think its all a smokescreen....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"one with allegedly the best QB coach in the league"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Who was also a rookie head coach and rookie play caller was conveniently left out of your analysis.

I look at stats like 62.3%, 3255yds., 16 starts, 16 complete games, and 7 ints as GOOD. The TD's is the ONLY thing that's low. We had a VERY low number of Turnovers and NO legit #2 (or maybe 3) WR.

If Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis combined 5 TD's, Campbell's stats look SO MUCH better.

we need CONTINUITY, UNITY, and COHESION, not Meddleing!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If Kirk could get the knockout on Mourning early, I think the little guys could have a chance.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, it ends up looking more like this...

http://247game.net/Dwarf-Throwing-Qld/id-OcZSgVSW5AY.html

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

But instead of giving up and establishing a dysfucntional QB/coach replacement cycle like Snyder, Hasselbeck's team kept him and Zorn together for more than one year and allowed him to have 3 Pro Bowl years after that.

Posted by: Alan4

Well put.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 - CP26 Made that comment after week 1, not week 17.

He was refering to the History of Denver's OLine.

Redcoat - You made my point as far as why it is time to move on. You can not always say what you think you are supposed to say. Be yourself from time to time. That is all I am asking for. I do not want a robot as QB.

CP26 and LaVar are/were Danny's boys. They perform on the field and have no filter from their heads to their mouths. While I don't want JC17 to be like CP26, showing a human side would go along way........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hasselbeck's team kept him and Zorn together for more than one year and allowed him to have 3 Pro Bowl years after that.

Posted by: Alan4

Sadly for you guys.

Dan Snyder + ANY Skins coach (even Gibbs) ≠ Paul Allen + Mike Holmgren

...at least in terms of patience...

Posted by: Redcoat | April 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Now, because of the money-impatience-marketing-agitated fanbase vortex, if a guy hasn't shown he's a star right away, teams want to trade him or replace him with the next new savior.

The Washington Redskins are in the middle of this vortex right about now.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Exactly. And this is precisely the reason why the Redskins shouldn't draft a QB this year. You've got to give the guy (not Campbell, the prospective "new" QB) a reasonable shot at success, or he won't last. And included in that is a long-term coach or coordinator (of which Zorn has yet to prove), a *long-term offensive line that is going to keep him upright (of which the Redskins don't have), and long-term weapons with which to work with (of which the Redskins potentially have, though not proven yet).

Too many question marks right now to bring in another young QB. It'll be asking him for too much to expect he becomes the next Jay Cutler if/when Zorn gets fired (if Campbell's not the answer) and the offensive line breaks down because we spent all our draft picks acquiring the rookie.

*long term: in this day, it's reasonable to think this equals about 5 seasons

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell is still shell shocked from his injury last year. I feel that may of played into his 2 second dump offs on 3rd and Long situations.. well before the WR got into a first down position or before he got separation on a long route. He seemed like a different QB in 08 than 07. Much less likely to hold the ball under pressure for separation. Could be because of suspect OL, too.
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are looking forward to "stat padding" short passes to WRs in front of the 1st down marker"

Yes, because having Campbell throw beyond the 1st down marker at the same time his WR runs the route in front of the 1st down marker is what we all want to see next season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:21 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I was even more impressed with Campbell after watching the 2nd half of the Kelli Johnson interview. Jason is smart - no matter what many of you think - and he does have a fire in him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, because having Campbell throw beyond the 1st down marker at the same time his WR runs the route in front of the 1st down marker is what we all want to see next season.

Posted by: psps23"


EXCUSE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Thomas, Kelly, and Davis get on the field I think they will contribute. Those guys got talent, just need to be on the field, learn the damn playbook, and all will be good. More red zone targets.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 9, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"You made my point as far as why it is time to move on. You can not always say what you think you are supposed to say. Be yourself from time to time. That is all I am asking for. I do not want a robot as QB."

I bet if that robot were putting up Brady #'s you wouldn't give a ****.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 9, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

beantown

'....I'll believe it when it happens....regardless of what everyone is saying, I think its all a smokescreen....'

I hope it's a smokescreen, too.

Maybe the 'Niners will do us a favor and draft the kid and put us out of our misery--but they still have Alex Smith rotting on their roster and I don't see that happening.

The best thing that could happen is for the lions to snag Sanchez early--again, this puts the pick out of the reach of the front office's clutches.

But if the FO has no true faith in Campbell--and their actions suggest they don't--then perhaps selecting Sanchez, trading Campbell for a value pick, and oving on is the best way out of this nonsense.

Which is what it all seems to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

While I don't want JC17 to be like CP26, showing a human side would go along way........


A long way for what exactly? He's said what he's said, and he's moving on. You should too.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

so when do we get all that cap space off our books?

is it in 2 years or 3?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Do people not understand the west coast offense? Its based on short passes. Besides, how can you go deep when your only viable deep threat is double covered all the time? Or is that an excuse also?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 9, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Truth, you honestly sound like a 10-year-old fan completely uneducated about the game.

"I don't care what you people say, I want to see results!"

"I don't care what anyone says, when I see him play, he's average!"

"Dude, he's definitely in the bottom half, if not bottom quarter, of QBs in the league!"

"Blah, blah, blah. EXCUSES!"

C'mon, you're better than that.

*note: I know those weren't your literal quotes, just what you sound (read?) like.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

no psps23, I'm just tired of watching Campbell play so darn average.

If what I've seen him do is playing good, then this must be a down time in NFL talent or something.

and as I've said, I like JC, I liked when we picked him and blah blah blah but the fact of the matter is the dude is too darn average as a QB.


I just don't see what the majority of yall see. He has ZERO intangibles. The positives I hear are that he doesn't throw picks (or TD's for that matter), and he works hard. Not intrigued.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

and have yall ever talked to fans of other teams about JC?

I was once wrapped up, as some of yall seem to be, in thinking that JC was one of the better QB's in the league. I brought that up once and like 3 people literally laughed at me.


The rest of the league sees it. Denver wanted Orton over JC, and why not, Orton has a better starting record.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, more J. Campbell haterade.

Maybe I'll try RI again next week.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I think its left over loyalty to Gibbs since he was Gibb's pick.. cant think of any other reason..
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and have yall ever talked to fans of other teams about JC?

I was once wrapped up, as some of yall seem to be, in thinking that JC was one of the better QB's in the league. I brought that up once and like 3 people literally laughed at me.


The rest of the league sees it. Denver wanted Orton over JC, and why not, Orton has a better starting record.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 9, 2009 1:59 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

thund..yeah, time for a break....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 9, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Ugh I am annoyed with JC17 b/c he played just well enough yet not that good to energize this debate a whole additional year.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I was even more impressed with Campbell after watching the 2nd half of the Kelli Johnson interview. Jason is smart - no matter what many of you think - and he does have a fire in him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 9, 2009 1:38 PM

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Really?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 9, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

SI mock draft projecting Sanchez at 4 (good fit to Seahawk WC offense) and Stafford at 10 to the 49ers (where Leinart fell to in '06).

'Skins take Oher at 13.

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

redcoat

'...Jason is clearly more passive than many people are comfortable with...'


If this is true, it's short sighted and dumb.

The modern professional athlete is better off maintaining his composure and conducting himself well than being some sort of old school 'shouter.'

Just the way Campbell has handled all of the recent attention he's gotten--for a negative thing, I might add--is lesson enough for any kid watching him or team member hoping their leader remains calm in the face of pressure.

'Cuz believe me, I bet the guy has some opinions about the pressure he's under that no kid needs to hear.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Truth (1:59 PM),
Not so. Most people with loyalties to other teams don't laugh at JC17, they laugh at Dan Snyder. They think he's a coach and QB killer. Go to any other team's blog and you will see some variation of "the Skins will never win consistently because of Snyder". They will mention his frequent coaching and QB changes and desire to pay for big names instead of holding onto organic talent. Most objective observers don't believe JC17 suddenly forgot how to QB halfway through last season.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"The positives I hear are that he doesn't throw picks (or TD's for that matter), and he works hard. Not intrigued.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

And what would you like to hear? I've posted here many times, complete with stats to back me up (which the anti-Campbell crowd hates), how he's been very good against the blitz, great on 3rd & long and 4th down situations, elite in the 4th quarter of close games, good in the redzone, great in tight situations (when the score is tied, in crappy field position, etc.).

I've also posted where his downfalls have been (mostly related to "complacent" situations), like on 1st & 10s, when we're winning, outside the red zone in the opponent's territory, etc.

Nothing is ever as simple as you make it seem. If you came up with something credible beyond "oh he hasn't thrown TDs" as a reason to say he's too darn average, then it may be worthwhile to understand where you're coming from.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Im sure Danny just read this too.. He's probably on the phone now with KC and dealing for a three team deal to get that 3rd pick before the Hawks take Sanchez with the 4th.
Snydee's got to find out what KC needs the most...and put it together with the other team that has a surplus of the same.

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SI mock draft projecting Sanchez at 4 (good fit to Seahawk WC offense) and Stafford at 10 to the 49ers (where Leinart fell to in '06).

'Skins take Oher at 13.

Posted by: swowra

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

And just so we're clear, my opinion on Campbell and my opinion on whether or not the Redskins should draft a QB are mutually exclusive.

Even if this team had Mark Brunell as the incumbent starter, I would still say the Redskins shouldn't draft a QB this year. This team has got to iron out most of the wrinkles everywhere else before it expects a QB to put up Jay Cutler-like numbers.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

How about ....
an undisclosed number of GMs did not want to give up a 2nd Round pick for him, last week.
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"The positives I hear are that he doesn't throw picks (or TD's for that matter), and he works hard. Not intrigued.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

And what would you like to hear? I've posted here many times, complete with stats to back me up (which the anti-Campbell crowd hates), how he's been very good against the blitz, great on 3rd & long and 4th down situations, elite in the 4th quarter of close games, good in the redzone, great in tight situations (when the score is tied, in crappy field position, etc.).

I've also posted where his downfalls have been (mostly related to "complacent" situations), like on 1st & 10s, when we're winning, outside the red zone in the opponent's territory, etc.

Nothing is ever as simple as you make it seem. If you came up with something credible beyond "oh he hasn't thrown TDs" as a reason to say he's too darn average, then it may be worthwhile to understand where you're coming from.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 2:17 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

psps23

'....This team has got to iron out most of the wrinkles everywhere else before it expects a QB to put up Jay Cutler-like numbers....'

Massively true.

But then again, what can we do?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"How about ....
an undisclosed number of GMs did not want to give up a 2nd Round pick for him, last week."

Yes, that sounds real credible to me. An "undisclosed" (meaning any number from 0 to 32) number of GMs...

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

we NEED o-line BAD

Doesn't matter who the QB is!

SLB or DE if you want to win almost exclusively by D.

For the O to be better we NEED an OT.

At best we get the next Samuels, even the next Jansen would be OK, or a solid LT that is no Samuels would be decent.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Orioles Fans:


3rd Inning

Orioles 1

Yanks 0

Will there be a sweep at the 'Yards?

Hope not, the annoying New York will start a "Fire Joe G" website before nightfall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Remember what they say about glass houses....


1) JC doesn't perform great in his first full-time role as starter. Skins fans say "Get rid of him! The FO is stupid!"

2) JC is a top 5 or top 10 QB in the league and has thrown zero picks, Skins fans ask "Why haven't we resigned this guy yet!?! The FO is stupid!"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:53 AM |

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

SNAGM, how about "an undisclosed number of GMs allegedly did not want to give up a second round pick for him last week."

Stabbing myself in the eye with a pencil for bothering to point this out. I'm pro-Campbell and I want him to do better this year than he did last year, and I disagree with those of you who are vehemently anti-Campbell, blah blah blah...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"How about ....
an undisclosed number of GMs did not want to give up a 2nd Round pick for him, last week."
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Yes, that sounds real credible to me. An "undisclosed" (meaning any number from 0 to 32) number of GMs...

Posted by: psps23 |
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If you believe WashPost and NFL.Com it was at least one GM... or maybe like you said "32".. Vinny doesnt want him either..hahaha.
Vinny to Danny, "You let me finally buy the groceries but I can't pick the QB...JC was Gibbs mistake not mine!!"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Zeke's plan A

Trade with Sea for the #4 overall if Curry is still there. This years #1 + next years 1. Use every other pick on RT.

Zeke's plan B

Hang on for #13. If an OT is the best choice, take him. If a DE is the best choice, grab him and move Andre Carter to LB. If there is a compelling OLB take him

Zeke's plan "FUBAR"
What I expect the Spghetti Gang will do

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: swowra | April 9, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

psps23, it's time to stop trying to reason with some of these fans. Obviously, they have been conditioned under Dan Snyder's tenure to keep chasing the pot'o'gold at the end of the rainbow. Get rid of your own good players in exchage for other team's great "Neon Deions". That will lead us to the promised land!

Why plug up the gaping holes in the not-as-sexy O-line, which was identified as the greatest area of concern?


No, these fans want "personality" (read: drama) and "flash" (read: best years behind them)!!!!

These fans deserve Snyder, but the rest of us just have to either ride it out or find another team.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Zeke's plan A

Trade with Sea for the #4 overall if Curry is still there. This years #1 + next years 1. Use every other pick on RT.

Zeke's plan B

Hang on for #13. If an OT is the best choice, take him. If a DE is the best choice, grab him and move Andre Carter to LB. If there is a compelling OLB take him

Zeke's plan "FUBAR"
What I expect the Spghetti Gang will do

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2009 2:46 PM

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Or, maybe Dan should call Shanahan and see what he wants for next year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is SOLID!

Give the kid another year if he plays big, pay him big.

If he doesn't play big, start looking AFTER NEXT YEAR!


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 9, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

What if Michael Crabtree falls to 13?

Posted by: skinfanman

If he fell to us, I'd probably shoot myself because Vinny would probably pass on him to pick the WR from Maryland, whats his name, Bey? Seriously, there are 5 players I guaran-darn-tee you will not fall to us: OTs Monroe and Smith (the Baylor guy), Sanchez, Curry, and Crabtree.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 10, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

please trade down with our first. do it the beathard way i don't think even snyder could screw up 3 times. oh i forgot

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | April 10, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

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