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Redskins Sign Sixth-Round Pick

This just in from Jason Reid:

The Redskins have signed safety Kareem Moore, their sixth-round draft pick out of Nicholls State. Financial terms were not available, but Moore is believed to have signed a standard rookie contract.

The Redskins also released cornerback John Eubanks.

Moore missed minicamp in early May while recovering from knee surgery. At Nicholls State, Moore made 141 tackles, 81 solo, and 5 interceptions in 21 games.

The Redskins will need contributions from their second-day picks from the 2008 draft. Moore is a player the team hopes can provide depth at safety and someone to keep an eye on when training camp begins on July 20.

Speaking of training camp, the team announced its camp schedule late yesterday. Check it out after the jump ...

Sunday, July 20
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Monday, July 21
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Tuesday, July 22
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Wednesday, July 23
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Thursday, July 24
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Friday, July 25
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Saturday, July 26
FAN APPRECIATION DAY
Includes Intra-squad Scrimmage
Individual drills begins at 1:20 p.m. ET
Scrimmage begins at 2 p.m. ET
Stay tuned for more Fan Day information, coming soon

Sunday, July 27
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Monday, July 28
Open Practice, Morning
8:30 a.m. ET

Fine print, cribbed from redskins.com:

All practice times and dates are subject to change. Parking lots open approximately two hours prior to the scheduled start of practice and gates open approximately one hour prior to the start of practice. Also, fans can call the Redskins' Training Camp Hotline at 703-726-7411 for schedule updates, starting July 16. The Redskins will notify fans of practice time changes and cancellations, as information becomes available.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  June 20, 2008; 12:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

Need a blog count update, STAT!

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 20, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

one month to Pre-Season!!! joy

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 20, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I was so hoping that John Eubanks was not 'just a guy', that he would be our "just a guy".
Oh well.

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

John D - Are you really in Houston? I am moving there in two weeks! Do you know of any Skins-friendly bars per chance?

Posted by: suzannepdc | June 20, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

So this is what it looks like when a reporter reports just the facts.

Interesting!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Lets hear it for signing people.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

News. Real news. Real important news. Well... maybe not important.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 20, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne - I can't say I do for sure - most places here are very accomodating to you no matter who you root for - but I'll check around and post something up here.

And welcome to Texas - It's a whole new world!

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks! Should be a bit of learning curve for me - didn't realize how "East Coast" I was until I started to spend time there!

Posted by: suzannepdc | June 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Fare thee well, John "Angry Toe" Eubanks, we hardly knew ye!

My sense from Eubanks' college scouting reports was that, other than CB depth, there were big hopes he might be the proverbial future as a return man. Btwn Devin Thomas (and one of those DB draft picks), seems like they have new hopes at the future of return men.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

So this is what it looks like when a reporter reports just the facts.

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 12:45 PM

just. shut. the. f. up. already.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

no shortage of geeks around these parts

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, especially as this particular 'middle-packer' beat you in our second EPL face-off I think?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 12:23 PM

Dolphins fans...masters of celebrating the one win.

Posted by: SMACK | June 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

So this is what it looks like when a reporter reports just the facts.

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 12:45 PM

just. shut. the. f. up. already.

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 12:59 PM

this is the one thing that I hate about the internet, people acting tough knowing they would never talk to you like that in person.

dont be an internet gangster

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The Truth is not John Eubanks!

Posted by: The Truth | June 20, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Not to be too harsh, but what does it say that Eubanks can't hold his spot on an 80 man roster ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"All my life I wanted to be an internet gangster"

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I thought John Eubanks was an old game show host.....

Posted by: dlhaze | June 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn, it feels good to be an internet gangsta.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought John Eubanks was an old game show host.....


"Up the Butt, John"

Posted by: Newlywed | June 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Dolphins fans...masters of celebrating the one win.

Posted by: SMACK | June 20, 2008 1:02 PM

Actually, didn't Dallas pioneer celebrating the one-win 16-game season back in 1989? And who was that lone win against...?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

There have been many 1 win teams in the league. In 1960 (if my historic knowlage is correct) we won 1 game, against a Dallas team that one 0

Posted by: a35332 | June 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

There have been many 1 win teams in the league. In 1960 (if my historic knowlage is correct) we won 1 game, against a Dallas team that won 0

Posted by: a35332 | June 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Not so many 1-win teams in the 16 game season though Alex. Maybe just the Fins, the Grrls and the Bucs?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

That one victory for the cowboys was something else. They went for it three or four times on fourth down, onsided kicked the ball and got really lucky to beat the undefeated Washington Redskins. Without that loss, I think we go undefeated - as we sat many players in our last game loss to the eagles. We won the superbowl that year against the buffalo bills, Thomas couldn't find his helmet after the opening kickoff and missed the first couple plays. The score was closer than the game. We had a dominant team that year. Its our last dominant team, but we're going to be back to dominance soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Man, I heard Eubanks was so hurt, he said he wanted to roll twenty deep and rob a bank. He'd better be careful or he'll end up in here with me.

Posted by: Prison Balls | June 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

But it took the Dolphins 15 weeks to win their 1 game - that's cutting it close, with just 2 more games before the season's over.

Did any other 1-win teams wait that long to win their only victory?

Posted by: Josh | June 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't think so Josh.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: That Guy | June 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Our "favorite" person - Vinny C said last week that everytime we sign one of our draft picks, we will have to release another player...and that it sucks. Lots more cuts are right around the corner.

Posted by: Lisa | June 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Does this hurt Pacman/Dallas?

Woman involved in NFL star fight found dead

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-20-morrison_N.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Passage from Zorn/Largent article:

"Citing their strong Christian beliefs, they defied a players strike."

And you thought religion would be finished 'up here'! Ha!

Posted by: That Guy | June 20, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"That one victory for the cowboys was something else. They went for it three or four times on fourth down, onsided kicked the ball and got really lucky to beat the undefeated Washington Redskins. Without that loss, I think we go undefeated - as we sat many players in our last game loss to the eagles. We won the superbowl that year against the buffalo bills, Thomas couldn't find his helmet after the opening kickoff and missed the first couple plays. The score was closer than the game. We had a dominant team that year. Its our last dominant team, but we're going to be back to dominance soon."
Actually, the game you are referring to was in 1991, not 1989, when we eventually went on to win the super bowl.

Posted by: Matt | June 20, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

80 man limit - no provisions for nfleurope anymore.

At least guys that are released are players I thought weren't very good. So the other 27 that will be cut or not will have to earn their spot.

I can only hope we have some sleepers in that mix playing good defensive pass coverage.

Posted by: rando | June 20, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The weird thing about the woman who fell, was that she had a shoe print in the back of her shirt, that exactly matched shoes that pac-man owns.

Police are baffled by this one.

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Only The Truth can hurt Pac Man

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Does this hurt Pacman/Dallas?

Woman involved in NFL star fight found dead

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-20-morrison_N.htm

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 2:26 PM

Don't be a Wilbon and assume her death was directly related to Adam Jones(He has dropped the nickname Pacman for good)..

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That's a bit low Greg....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

More evidence:

"Zorn and Largent are devout Christians who in 1982 refused to join striking NFL players because they believed it went against the teachings in the Bible (some teammates were not exactly supportive). Zorn said their shared faith, "a common belief in God," is the bedrock of the friendship. "And it coincides with us as couples and as families."
"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I thought that there were some people who hang out at the 'Crowd Noise' blog? There are barely 100 comments there this whole week!! And 50+ of those are on the thread about our own chRiS lArRY.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

... people acting tough knowing they would never talk to you like that in person. ...

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 1:03 PM

If and when we meet in person, if and when you and/or others repeat the tired refrain about JLC posting opinions in blog threads and suggesting/implying that blog threads are even supposed to be objective "reporting" devoid of spin, then I would and will respond that you and/or others should give it a rest already and say each of the words that mean STFU. with. a. period. after. every. word.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

So is Schilling hanging them up now Greg?

Posted by: Redcoar | June 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

this is the one thing that I hate about the internet, people acting tough knowing they would never talk to you like that in person.

dont be an internet gangster

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 1:03 PM

That's the only think you hate? I hate people who are the opposite of great calling themselves "great one"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

That one victory for the cowboys was something else. They went for it three or four times on fourth down, onsided kicked the ball and got really lucky to beat the undefeated Washington Redskins. Without that loss, I think we go undefeated - as we sat many players in our last game loss to the eagles. We won the superbowl that year against the buffalo bills, Thomas couldn't find his helmet after the opening kickoff and missed the first couple plays. The score was closer than the game. We had a dominant team that year. Its our last dominant team, but we're going to be back to dominance soon.

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 1:47 PM

Anon., I think you're confusing 1989, which is when the Cowgirls had their 1 win season, with 1991, which is when the 'Skins were 11-0 heading into their game against Dallas at RFK (Dallas went 11-5 that year). We lost, 24-21, and a key play was a blatant offensive interference penalty that should have been called, but wasn't, on Michael Irvin against Darrell Green on a long touchdown pass. I know it was 17 years ago and I should get a life, but we wuz robbed. If they make that call, we probably win that game and go into the last week against Philly undefeated. It then would have been very interesting to see if Gibbs would have rested so many starters in that game.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 20, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the guys getting cut are about the same roster spot as the guys getting signed. ["About" because Moore is a safety and Eubanks is a CB.] Should start getting interesting when they have to sign Durant Brooks (or maybe its Brooks Durant).

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Can you post your daring list of predictions from last week about who will be cut for each Redskin who is signed?

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 20, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's Mel Brooks and Jimmy Durante Sween?

Does anyone offer any odds on 'Forst' still being on the roster once it's cut to 53?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, you mean demonstrate my ongoing wrongness on predictions? [Eubanks was not among my predictions ...] I'll go look for it.

In other news, Kareem Moore looks like Marcus Washington's younger brother ... except Moore doesn't smile ... maybe he'll end up with orthodonture like Marcus.

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=6776

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Forst is Toarst

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 20, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

RC--If Frost is on the roster, he will be kicking like he's never kicked before. Or, he'll be kicking every punt like he used to kick four out of tens punts.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking that if Frosty decides to retire with all the money he's 'earned' since he joined the NFL, maybe he would consider moving here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanklin

I'm sure they'd offer him the key to the town!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

True t_e, but that would raise a legitimate question of "why now?" which could not be answered in any way good for him.

I think he's gone no matter what. IMHO, the decision to hire Durant was just the other side of the decision to fire Frost.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

... For Kareem Moore, I predict they will release Cedrick Holt (who will be invited back when they put Moore on the PUP list once the season starts). ...

Posted by: dcsween | June 13, 2008 2:03 PM

Yikes! Eubanks' toe infection must have been much worse than initial feared! [Either that or Cedrick Holt is one NFL season cheaper than Eubanks would be to keep on the roster for another month.]

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Question:
I know Zorn is activly religious. But is he a pain in the a$$ about it lik Gibbs was? You know mentioning it every other press conference even when inappropreate, to me it always looked the one sign of weakness for Gibbs was that he appreared overrelied (made up word) on it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 20, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Frost would get work somewhere else. yes his Yards overall were not impressive but he is a safe/smart punter, does not take risks, had no TDs against ect., Also I loved how activly he would try and tackle the return man.

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

if Frost punts every ball 55 yards and Brooks is spotty in camp and preseason, there is no way they will keep him over Frost just because they spent a 6th round pick on him. getting picked in the 5th didn't guarantee Sartz a job last year. if they are even though i say they will go with the rookie.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

When has Frost EVER punted every ball 55yards....!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If and when we meet in person, if and when you and/or others repeat the tired refrain about JLC posting opinions in blog threads and suggesting/implying that blog threads are even supposed to be objective "reporting" devoid of spin, then I would and will respond that you and/or others should give it a rest already and say each of the words that mean STFU. with. a. period. after. every. word.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 2:40 PM

Check this out cuz, I will make comments about JLC, and anything else on this blog. just like you make comments. and I hope you do muster up the courage to say those words

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

That's the only think you hate? I hate people who are the opposite of great calling themselves "great one"

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 2:43 PM

you are a coward, you waited until DCsween replied and then you replied. go back and hide behind the sween you came from

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

llllLet's get ready to rrrrrRumble!!!

Posted by: Michael Buffer | June 20, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

When has Frost EVER punted every ball 55yards....!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:08 PM

I think he had a record one that was a roller for like 60
What was the single season best average last year? I know Frosts avg was closer to a flat 40

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, Sween I was originally replying to ANON before you jumped in to play big brother. But I aint trippin keep on jumpin in

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

competition and fear of losing your job brings out things all knowing dolphins fan. this was not a prediciton either, just a potential occurence. how bout we change it to 50 avg, 45 net. is that ok buddy?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm far from all-knowing anon, but the stats...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/stats/2007/punting/0_byYDS_PER_PUNT.html

don't lie, or do they?

The stats say "Lechler? Very good. Frost? Not so much." I was surprised to see Frost's stats were even worse than my own team's rookie punter Brandon "Jello Leg" Fields.

What have you seen in Frost's performance to date in the NFL that makes you think those stats are possible for him anon?

And by the way, these guys are supposed to think they are in competition every day - not just when their team drafts a rookie.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

One last point. Frost was paid the equivalent of $11,500 per punt last year. His salary this year is again $850,000.

I'm not saying these guys don't earn their money in their short 'working' life, but he's not done badly, taking about $2M out of the Skinds since he arrived with you guys and his career stats haven't shifted an inch.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

In real life, I've only ever been a little brother, which is probably why I shoot my mouth off and get myself in trouble (not like my big brother ever had my back).

My beef is about longing for the days up here when the comments below the thread were about Skins football and football/general stuff, sometimes even about the topic discussed in thread ... rather than the thread itself. Originally, JLC, like Steinberg and other WaPo bloggers now, used to participate in the discussion below the thread. Now there is so much bile about him, he puts up the thread and doesn't look back, which is a shame because he does have a ton more details that would come out if there was an actual discussion.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

RC, yeah, Schill pretty much stated that he's done. If anything the earliest he'd be physically able to pitch would be the 2nd half of 2009, and he's not sure he wants to put in the effort to get to that point.

216 wins, 3 rings, stellar in the post-season, the next question is does he make the HOF?? I believe he's got over 3000 K's, so he could be in.

Heard an interesting discussion regarding the NFL HOF, and Mike Strahan. The basic arguement was that while he's #5 on the all time sack list, neither #4, or #3 on the list, whom are Kevin Greene, and Chris Doleman, I believe, are in the HOF. Strahan was good for a lot of years, but he was never outright DOMINANT.

Discuss....

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

In Frost's defense, he does have (by far) the luckiest rolls in the NFL. If he could get that kind of distance through the air, he might be dangerous.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

suzannepdc -

Try BW3's in Rice Village. I have met up with a few skins fans there over the years.

Posted by: Lever2000 | June 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Heard an interesting discussion regarding ... Mike Strahan. ... Discuss....

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 3:43 PM

No thanks, I'll pass. [Though THIS is what I mean about talking about football, regardless of whether it has anything to do with the thread, much less the Skins. Shows what a few million bonus points and some hard time will inspire a man to do.]

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

So this is what it looks like when a reporter reports just the facts.

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 12:45 PM

Actually, Jasno had carte blanche from the powers-that-be to do his blog any way he wanted from the start. It was NEVER intended to be a "just the facts" thing.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

No-one could blame Jasno for doing that Sween. If I were he* and had to sift through the sort of stuff that people post about him here I wouldn't bother either.

His 'pseudo-contractual obligation' is to create the thread itself, the chat afterwards is entirely optional.

People should think about it a little more before posting destructive criticism. It's a recent privilege (note: it's NOT a right) to have the chance to talk with a journalist about why they've written what they've written on a given subject.

Discourse and even disagreement is good, and I've always believed that Jasno welcomes that, but the personalized crap you see here all too often is completely worthless.

* I don't want an email about my grammar, and anyway, she's long dead now.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

i never predicted Frost would do anything, it was just a hypothetical. he has been average at best and i'd prefer if Brooks came out and was dominant, won the job and gave us a great punter for years to come. but you made it seem like it was a forgone conclusion that Brooks would win the job based on the draft pick like his dad or Ray Guy was coaching the team. and no frost didn't have any competition in camp last year. they have threatened him a couple times with bringing guys in during the season when he has struggled but that was it.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Discuss....

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 3:43 PM

I think it depends who else is in that class Greg. With Sapp and Favre already he may find it hard to get in.

Anyway the intervening years will need to be kind to him. Maybe if the Giants are obviously underpowered in the pass rush this year? Does that help show up the value of his presence?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

A truce on Frost anon? I'm sounding like I care far more about it than I really do.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Quick data breakdown on the difference between Frost and Lechler.
Net average difference +5 yards for Lechler.
% Touchbacks Lechler: 9.6% Frost 9.3%
inside 20 Lechler 34.3% Frost 30.6%
inside 10 Lechler 15.1% Frost 10.6%
fair catchs Lechler 16.4% Frost 20%

So the were even in TB more or less & frost got a better average for fair catchs, thats a good thing.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

truce is good. i dont care much either till i see him shank punts on sundays, just killing the last work time on a friday afternoon.

btw i think strahan will get in. he's got a ring, the record for sacks in a season and was solid against both run and pass. much as i despise him and the giants.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sapp, Farve, Ogden too.

I don't think he makes it to be honest with you. He was good. But he never made the jump to being great, and being great consistently.

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if its a foregone conclusion, but I have the same hope that this was an inspired pick that means boring and reliable punter for years to come. I mean, if you see a lot of the punter, then the game is not going real well. There really shouldn't be too much to get excited about in a punter (with the exception of Japanese TV coverage of the ProBowl hit that Sean Taylor put on Brian Moorman). But with Frost, after he had a shank, I'd actually get anxious until the next time he got a good one off ... which sometimes wasn't until 2-3 punts after the shank ... Frost seems like he has a long memory and hard time shaking off a bad punt.

From stuff I've read, the only possible concern about Brooks Durant (or Durant Brooks, can't remember the name order) would be if he has an attitude like Todd Sauerbran or Mike Vanderjagt. Football legs should be boring, slightly nervous, accurate, and consistent. The added bonus in a punter would be hang time. I have a hard time remembering anything like an arc in Frost's punts.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

5-yard more per punt is a big difference Alex, it's 25 yards or so per game.

By the way, did Schweigert play with Lechler on special teams for the Raiders?

If yes, he may help your (already good) teams even more.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

btw i think strahan will get in. he's got a ring, the record for sacks in a season and was solid against both run and pass. much as i despise him and the giants.

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 4:00 PM

I'm close to the same sentiments. That last part is why I took a pass ... though I might have been in a position to change my mind if he had laid out that guy from the Subway commercials.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Concerning the Redskins/Cowboys1-15 year:

I may not remember the year, but I thought the year the Redskins finished 14-2 was the year Dallas was 1-15 with the lone win coming in the 12th week over the Redskins. I think (but not positive) that win was in Dallas. And, I think (but not positive) it was Aikmans rookie season and he was getting tossed around like spinach in a salad. (the whole year)

I do remember Aikman's last game, can I say Lavar "concussion sack" Arrington. Whenever I see the replay, everyone looks like their in slow motion except Lavar. That is one of my most favorite Redskin plays of all time. Of course, thata a real crowded list.

Posted by: rando | June 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow the oak that much but I thought a raiders bloger said that Schweigert was not even on the special teams unit end of last year. I am not disagreeing on the difference of 5 yards at all. however I do like a special teams unit with a high fair catch % when they are punting, no big returns when the hands in the air, lets hope that was all coaching.

Posted by: A35332 | June 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

By the way, did Schweigert play with Lechler on special teams for the Raiders?

If yes, he may help your (already good) teams even more.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:05 PM

Safety ... punter.

Wait, you didn't actually BELIEVE that "personal punter protection" was a real position in that Archubingus thing, did you?

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

rando, It is because of that play I would always be willing for LaVar to have 1 more shot with the skins.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I mean, if you see a lot of the punter, then the game is not going real well.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:03 PM

Odd (to me at least) fact: Derrick Frost punted 75 times last year in the regular season on a 9-7 team. Brandon "Jello" Fields punted 77 times on a 1-15 team.

How did those numbers end up so close?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

How did those numbers end up so close?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:14 PM

Turn overs & such as maps.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Wait, you didn't actually BELIEVE that "personal punter protection" was a real position in that Archubingus thing, did you?

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:10 PM

No, but Lechler's stats went up quite a lot last year and I was looking to see if your new boy had any part to play in that.

just askin' is all. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

RC, I think the closeness of # of punts btwn the Skins and the Fins might have something to do with the conservativeness of the playcalling in Gibbs v.2.

In other news, the Skins site seems to have updated the player photos from last season. Cooley has short hair.

http://www.redskins.com/team/default.jsp

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

35332, I would say Lavar could be better than any of our backups, right now. Although, Lavar doesn't seem to play team defense which would hurt us. I still like him and thought he never reached his potential. One thing about him, teams had to know where he was all the time. Sean Taylor was starting to get that reputation. Thats when a defensive player is at his best, making the offense worry where he's at before the snap. Strahan had that effect, for years and years.(and thats why he'll make the HoF)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the condition of post acident lavar, he may infact be healthy enough to play, but I doubt he would sign for a low number. Maybe we will see him in Arena Ball some day ;-)

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Turn overs & such as maps.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2008 4:16 PM

Here's something interesting Alex:

Fins: 16x INT, 9x FUM, 4x Lost
Skins: 11x INT, 16x FUM, 8x Lost

There's virtually no difference!

Strange.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

You must be right Sween. It's just odd to see that there is ostensibly so little difference between two teams with such divergent records.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Just to let everyone know that dirty yardbird from Pukedelphia is pulling off a comeback so vote.

http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10868936

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

In his 15 year career Strahan had 9 years of single digit sacks.

I'm not sure he makes it in, but to each their own.

Posted by: Greg | June 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

... two teams with such divergent records.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:24 PM

That late season run by The Todd cannot be discounted. If The Todd had followed Trent Green (and the Fins didn't have to play the Pats), it might have been a different relative W-L comparison ... though probably still the same punter stats.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

To finally resolve this issue - the Cowboys were 11-5 in 1991 - the victory over the Redskins was at RFK, and was the Redskins first loss of the season in the 13th game.

Thank you inter-googles

Posted by: John D In Houston | June 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Dammit! TD is losing to 'Poe', the Ravens mascot.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I may not remember the year, but I thought the year the Redskins finished 14-2 was the year Dallas was 1-15 with the lone win coming in the 12th week over the Redskins. I think (but not positive) that win was in Dallas. And, I think (but not positive) it was Aikmans rookie season and he was getting tossed around like spinach in a salad. (the whole year)


Posted by: rando | June 20, 2008 4:09 PM

This dosen't make sense. If this was the case, you are saying the Cowgirls went 1-15 one year and won the SB next year? (They won back to back SBs the year after w won it all).....

It was Aikmen's rookie year, but his rookie year wasn't '91. It was '89.......

Posted by: That Guy | June 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

If The Todd had followed Trent Green (and the Fins didn't have to play the Pats), it might have been a different relative W-L comparison

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:27 PM

Sad but true, we could have used The Todd last - and this - year. I still can't believe that Green is still playing, despite Bulger's fragility.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Just to let everyone know that dirty yardbird from Pukedelphia is pulling off a comeback so vote.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2008 4:25 PM

Something is wrong. I just voted four more times (clearing cookies btwn votes) and the total vote count isn't changing.

With more than 27K votes total, it should take btwn 1 and 275 votes to get the relative percentages to change ... after four votes with no change in the percentages, my quitter instinct kicked in.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Chief Zee ballot box stuff problem solved. After voting and then clearing the cookies, you need to navigate away from the page and return before voting again. Simply re-loading the page won't allow for registering another vote.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Truth has been signed to a 6 year 74 million dollar contract as starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins.


The Truth is humble, very humble, but the national media is excited!

Posted by: The Truth | June 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Sween "vote early, vote often" :)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

you are a coward, you waited until DCsween replied and then you replied. go back and hide behind the sween you came from

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 3:10 PM

How does this work? Second person to put you in your place is a "coward"? If I had posted before sween would that make him a "coward"?

Sween's already said he's cleaning up the floor with your face, and when he does I'm going to watch. and. laugh. my. a$$. off.

Owned.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Truth's breath smells like he ate a turd sandwich.

Posted by: The Truth | June 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

turd sandwich could be our next president. dont badmouth. or it could be giant douche.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The (Real) Truth does not appreciate the liars and imposters.

The Truth notes that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, losers.

Posted by: The Truth | June 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Clean up the floor?

Clarification: I never advocated or threatened physical violence, much less house cleaning. That's different than trash talking. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

Also, another random ... in 2009, Skins play the Buccs again ... this time at home. Given that this season is the first in what feels like 4 or 5 years that we don't face Tampa Bay, it looks to me like our covert rivalry is going to have another installment in the post-season this year (well, early 2009 actually).

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Time to go. This stuff bores me.

Have a great weekend.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Clarification: I never advocated or threatened physical violence, much less house cleaning.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 4:47 PM

One thing leads to another, especially with the grape one. You'll make him holler uncle.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Anon is a loser, I have left the conversation alone, and you try and bring it back up. not only did you bring it back up you tried to get DCsween on your team.

you are a pathetic loser who needs somebody else to fight your battle for you.

Sween and I are cool, you on the other hand are a coward.

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Located a picture of 'The Truth'. Kinda like what I expected

http://www.someecards.com/upload/sports/i_dont_need_a_football_game.html

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 20, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Just to clear things up I brought links. The year was 1989. The Girls were 1-15 and the Redskins were 10-6...1 win out of the playoffs. F Dallas.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1989.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1989.htm

Posted by: etrod | June 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The thing that worries me about Frost is that he seems to kick well in the preseason and the first few weeks of the regular season. He does just enough to stick and then tanks.

Also, sween, I don't think his rolls are lucky. They do that way too much. I think he tries to compensate for his inconsitency by kicking the front end of the ball and relying on the roll which in turn causes a lot of shanks. Kind of a chicken or egg thing.

Posted by: etrod | June 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Could be a deliberate thing, etrod ... it would explain why he hits so many line drives and gives the coverage team about a half second to get downfield. Maybe its Danny Smith's way of going to battle with the guy he's got rather than guy he wishes he had. Interesting point.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to email, I learned a new term today ... "moose knuckle." It was a photo with a byline about the fat, ugly cousin of "camel toe." You can fill in the rest with your imagination.

Actually, I revise my opening thought ... "no thanks to email, ..."

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sween and I are cool, you on the other hand are a coward.

Posted by: Great One | June 20, 2008 5:04 PM

Oh! Exactly backwards. Sween already said "I'm a lover not a fighter." He's the coward, not me. Why don't you and I go over to his place after work and teach him a lesson?

What time do you get off work? I got off in February.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh ...

http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10868936

See my post above at 4:33pm about how many votes it takes to make change in the percentage ratios with so many votes already cast. In less than an hour, Chief Zee has dropped by a percentage point.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I only bring that up be cause I punted in High School and that's how my coach told me to do it. (I wasn't very consistent either)

Posted by: etrod | June 20, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

... Sween already said "I'm a lover not a fighter." He's the coward, not me. ...

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 5:22 PM

Dude. Coward? I'm guessing you don't have small kids.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The moose knuckle email made the rounds at my company a few weeks ago, along with several others along the same lines.

I now know that envy wears a coat and hangs out in hallways.

The internet is wonderful.

Posted by: etrod | June 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

etrod a punter. This explains so much more about how you could realize the complete and total awesomeness of Sean Taylor, the bogeyman haunting punters everywhere.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Dude. Coward? I'm guessing you don't have small kids.

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:28 PM

Great one--Sween's got small kids. He's already got enough problems without us coming around. We'll let up on him this time. How's about we meet up and go after Redcoat?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Or do something constructive and vote for Chief Zee 50,000 times.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

In the updated photos on the Skins roster, the RI pre-draft object of man love, Anthony Mix, looks extraordinarily pissed that the team picked two tall receivers in the second round. Not that you could blame him...

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=26

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

After that hit on Moorman, my yearbook picture had a black eye.

Posted by: etrod | June 20, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Or do something constructive and vote for Chief Zee 50,000 times.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 5:47 PM

Another hour, another drop in percentage point. That's nearly 500 votes in two hours ... on a Friday afternoon. Is there an epidemic of school age kids being grounded in Philly? Someone needs to call out the alarm over at ES (and also explain about how to clear cookies, then navigate away, and come back again to vote ... lather, rinse, repeat).

Posted by: dcsween | June 20, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

sween,

I'm still wondering what the deal is with Mix. They never even threw a pass at him in a game last year. Was he that bad in practice or were Gibbs/Saunders that dense? You've got to give the guy a few plays in a game to see what you've got going.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 20, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

nice etrod, LMGO

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

sween,
I was hoping some geek would write a script (based on your voting research) to automate the thing.

No doubt, someone in Philly was having the same feeling the last couple of days.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys,
I've been gone a while! Did I miss anything epic?

Posted by: TDawg | June 20, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Dawg,

HA!

Here is what you missed:
The last two threads, and such as,
ESPN RI Fantasy League (shout out Redcoat),
acrimonious bloggers,
A whole lotta, nothin,
More nothin,and
Moose knuckles.

Yeah, that covers it.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Saturday, July 26
FAN APPRECIATION DAY
Includes Intra-squad Scrimmage-

- Featuring Little Prick Danny getting his ass kicked by LaRon Landry after catching a ball floated into the flat by Vinnie C.

Individual drills begins at 1:20 p.m. ET

LPD runs the forty in 9.8 seconds, barely surpassing his 9.9 secs last year. He proceeds to heave up the eggs benedict and champagne he had for breakfast.

Again, LaRon Landry cheap shots him. His head buried in the turf, trainers run to his rescue only to be threatened with termination for not allowing him to "walk it off."

Scrimmage begins at 2 p.m. ET

LPD benches JC saying this is "his year" to guide the Skins to the Super Bowl. On the his first play under center, LaRon Landry jumps the snap and drills him into the turf. Teeth chipped and nose broken, Vinnie C. tells LPD he shouldn't have used Theismann's old one bar face mask.

The aftermath- LPD trades LaRon Landry for Jeff George....

Stay tuned for more Fan Day information, coming soon.....
________________________

Posted by: El Rico | June 20, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

By my count this is comment #199,198.

802 to go.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

how d'ya figure, stumpy?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 20, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Counted.

The trouble is last time I synched my count with Cyn cyn's I was a few hundred short.

So significant figures aside, it's a v. rough estimate.

Posted by: _stumped_ | June 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Get Boren in here... I want that updated count... no, it can't wait until Monday!"

If stumped is just a little bit off, and we as a group do our average 10-12 posts this weekend, we could be 10-12 posts closer to the "Trudge to 200 Large"!

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 20, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

1. How many bonus points does the 200,000 post receive?
2. How can we manipulate Greg into being the 200,000th poster? I hear he's runing low on bonus points

Posted by: John D in Houston | June 21, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

So, the NFL isn't omnipotent. According to the Saturday Wall Street Urinal, it's in talks with ESPN to fold its NFL network into ESPN classic and put the live games up on ESPN. Score one for Comcast/Time Warner.

The leverage for this has been Senator Specter and the heat he keeps putting on the league regarding Spygate. Senator Specter is doing the work of Comcast here, Comcast being a Phuludulphia-based company.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 21, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

1. How many bonus points does the 200,000 post receive?

The accolades of a grateful nation.

2. How can we manipulate Greg into being the 200,000th poster? I hear he's runing low on bonus points

One can only hope that the Loseable Type server is in a colo facility in the Bahston area, and the electrons will therefore hit the server sooner.
There are other ways to tempt the Loseable Type gods, but none of them result in more than a generic 'pink screen of death'.

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 21, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

What a family, to produce both the inimitable Senator Spectre, dogged protectre of whatever it is he's protecting, AND his brother Phil, the famous "wall of sound" producre and gun enthusiast.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Trudge" is slightly cheerier than "Death March," cload. I'll start using "Trudge."

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"TheCindy can always choose her own particular ..."

"idiom, sir?"

"--yes, idiom... But I'm not supremely confident that we'll be seeing enough of her for her to "brand" the drive. 200 posts, after all, will take less than a month. And god forbid we sign another 7th round draft pick!"

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

+++ I got off in February.

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 5:22 PM++

We know, Anon. I read about it in "Lonely B@stard Monthly."

According to eyewitnesses, the "lady" you got off with not only wasn't a lady, but scored a Transvestite "2" on the hotometer.

No one believed your excuse that since her Adams Apple was lost in her double chins, you thought the dude looked like a lady. Why you still bragging about your last score, anyway?

Posted by: Vinnie Boom-Bahtz | June 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

What a family, to produce both the inimitable Senator Spectre, dogged protectre of whatever it is he's protecting, AND his brother Phil, the famous "wall of sound" producre and gun enthusiast.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 21, 2008 10:42 AM

Don't forget about sister Ronnie, who in 1999 released the album "She Talks to Rainbows", which is very Winged-Unicornish.

Speaking of Winged Unicorns, don't lose, Holland!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Woops, that was one of mine. As if...

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I would say Lavar could be better than any of our backups, right now. Although, Lavar doesn't seem to play team defense which would hurt us.

Posted by: | June 20, 2008 4:18 PM

The best line about Arrington was made by a Redskin defensive coach, when someone asked if LaVar going to the Giants might mean he'd give away the Redskin Defensive schemes to the New Yorkers.

"To tell you the truth, " the coach said. "I'm not sure LaVar knew our defensive schemes."

That's why he was a (relative) bust for a second overall pick Because he was best known for being out of position and making the occasional spectacular Sportscenter play.

Don't compart Strahan to him, please. Strahan IS a HOFer. He never had a penchant for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and giving up the big play.

I for one am glad LaVar is long gone. The reason why they had to know where he was was because there was no logic to it. And occasionally he's be in the right place for the Redskins and was big enpugh to hurt someone.

LaVar wasa great college player, where freelancing could be a positive due to athletic ability. But even then, he drove JoPa crazy.

Posted by: Corkczar | June 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

What a family, to produce both the inimitable Senator Spectre, dogged protectre of whatever it is he's protecting, AND his brother Phil, the famous "wall of sound" producre and gun enthusiast.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 21, 2008 10:42 AM

++++Don't forget about sister Ronnie, who in 1999 released the album "She Talks to Rainbows", which is very Winged-Unicornish.++++

Ronnie ain't Phil's Sister altho she's a "sister," but The Philsters Ex-Wife

Phil's a wack job--yes, but a stone genius musically.

Posted by: John Lennon, dead but Still Posting | June 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Spector's domineering attitude led to the dissolution of their marriage. Bennett was forbidden to speak to the Rolling Stones or tour with the Beatles, for fear of infidelity. Bennett claims Spector showed her a gold coffin with a glass top in his basement, promising to kill and display her should she leave him. During Spector's reclusive period in the late 1960s, he reportedly kept his wife locked inside their mansion. She claimed he also hid her shoes to dissuade her from walking outside, and kept the house dark because he didn't want anyone to see his balding head. Spector's son later claimed that he was kept locked in his room, with a pot in the corner to be used as a toilet. Ronnie Spector did leave the producer and filed for divorce in 1972. She wrote a book about her experiences, and said years later, "I can only say that when I left in the early '70s, I knew that if I didn't leave at that time, I was going to die there"

Wow, just wow. He may be crazier than Brian Wilson's dad.

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne,

SRO on the Northside is owned by a guy who's wife is a Redskin Fan. My family has had season tix for 50 yrs so it was tough making the transition to H-TOWN, but it's a great city.... Been here since May of 2000. Welcome to TEXAS!!!

Posted by: CLEGG | June 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Y'all Skins fans deep in the heart of Texas oughta stick together.

(We've gotta be, like, 794 away now, Stumped.)

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's a hearty "no" vote for Strahan re: Hall of Fame. I just don't see it.

And his candidacy is not helped one iota by Favre's sliding over to gift-wrap that stupid sack record, though that's on Favre more than Strahan.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

With 35272 total votes to date Zee in the lead 54%-46%. Keep voting till july 1

Posted by: Alex35332 | June 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd put the gap in Strahan's teeth in the HOF. That stuff is truly epic.

Mmm, now I want Subway for some reason. Maybe it's because I live in Bloomington, Indiana, where ol' Jared lost all of his weight originally...

P.S.-- yes, that is true and I live 1 mile from the franchise where Tubbs McSub made it happen.

Posted by: TDawg | June 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Strahan's a lock for the HOF. Dude played in New York, won a super bowl and was a darling of the media. He was also a great defender. He'll go in before Sapp, who had the misfortune of playing in Tampa and the stupidity of playing in Oakland.

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

salty nads

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd put the gap in Strahan's teeth in the HOF. That stuff is truly epic.

Posted by: TDawg | June 21, 2008 5:54 PM

My sources say the iconic gap will be the new grand entrance to the HOF after its induction in 2013.

Posted by: J. Bananas | June 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I realize it's (as usual) silly of me to say it, but I just don't see Strahan getting into the HOF... I don't see the sustained dominance or best-at-his-position status over a long period... and I think the sack as a statistic is losing some of whatever dubious cachet it has ever enjoyed (since they didn't keep track when some of the best sackers ever were playing).

But maybe my bias against Strahan is sour grapes since his team is in our division and just hoisted the Lombardi. He does seem like a likeable fellow, and something of a media darling, so he'll probably get in.

And maybe my bias against the sack as an ath-uh-letic accomplishment is because I have grown unaccustomed to seeing it perpetrated on a regular basis by the boys in crimson and canary.

F Strahan and the horse he rode in on.
F the New Jersey Giants.
and etc.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

In other news, sorry about your Oranjes, kost and SMACK and whoever else has a thing for the Dutch.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I realize it's (as usual) silly of me to say it, but I just don't see Strahan getting into the HOF... I don't see the sustained dominance or best-at-his-position status over a long period... and I think the sack as a statistic is losing some of whatever dubious cachet it has ever enjoyed (since they didn't keep track when some of the best sackers ever were playing).

But maybe my bias against Strahan is sour grapes since his team is in our division and just hoisted the Lombardi. He does seem like a likeable fellow, and something of a media darling, so he'll probably get in.

And maybe my bias against the sack as an ath-uh-letic accomplishment is because I have grown unaccustomed to seeing it perpetrated on a regular basis by the boys in crimson and canary.

F Strahan and the horse he rode in on.
F the New Jersey Giants.
and etc.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 21, 2008 9:39 PM

He's a homosexual, though. I feel homosexuals should be banned from the HOF.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

tru dat

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on, anonymous at 10:00. I'd like to think you're better than that, dude.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You too, anonymous at 10:06! Don't egg him on!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

In other news, sorry about your Oranjes, kost and SMACK and whoever else has a thing for the Dutch.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 21, 2008 9:40 PM

Very gracious of you Nate. One can only hope that sport's reign of terror is now complete. There's nothing left to lose.

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear SMACK.

And to Russia...?!?

Even we only lost 2-1 to them...

Posted by: Redcoat | June 21, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

F Strahan and the horse he rode in on.
F the New Jersey Giants.
and etc.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | June 21, 2008 9:39 PM

Second that!!!!!!!!!!

Especially the seconf F!

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 22, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Only saw the highlights, but the goals in the first 90' were excellent.
The game winner is the type that gets guys fired.

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 22, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

PDiddy, if you are out there, I have been shooting some tequila (Oro Azul) and it is the bomb! A little expensive, but soooooo smooth!!!!!!!!

Great stuff! Chased down with some mexican beer (Sol).

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 22, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Especially the seconf F!

should have been second F! dam tequila...

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 22, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Tequila puts hair on your palms

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

EH heck, pain needs rock. If you're up this late check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6WLkyxySA0&feature=related

Posted by: SMACK | June 22, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnbiiPoMSU hey look when I hit caps lock i get less offensive. I'll resist the urge to get to 200K by myself. Damn.

Posted by: smack | June 22, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Even Alex isn't posting. Are they giving away free beer someplace?

Posted by: talent evaluator | June 22, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Mix

The Skins didn't pick up WR Mix until late Nov from the Giants practice squad. In the final three or four games of the season, he was playing ST and red-zone WR. In spite of drafting two WRs -- I still think Mix will make the squad this year.


From Redskins.com:

How Acquired: Signed with the Redskins on Nov. 20, 2007 from the New York Giants' practice squad.

2007: Mix spent time on the Giants' roster early in the season, catching three passes for 39 yards in four games. He was later released and brought back to the Giants' practice squad. After signing with the Redskins on Nov. 20, Mix played in four games and had 10 special teams tackles.

* He led the Redskins' special teams with three tackles and added a forced fumble in a Week 16 game at Minnesota.

* In a Wild Card playoff game at Seattle, Mix recovered a Washington kickoff to give the Redskins the ball at the Seahawks' 14-yard line.

Posted by: Siris | June 22, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Does Mix get a Championship Ring?

Posted by: Question | June 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Where is all my buddies

Posted by: jose | June 22, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Strahan deserves the Hall.

But after the way the NY media treated Art Monk, I could give a crap about Strahan.

So what if Strahan set a single season sack record? Monk set the single season receptions record.

So what if Strahan was one of the all time leaders in sacks. Monk HELD THE RECORD for receptions all time.

So what if Strahan got a ring? Monk got 3.

So tell me why Strahan shouldn't get turned down at least 8 times like Monk did -- courtesy of the NY press.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 22, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

So tell me why Strahan shouldn't get turned down at least 8 times like Monk did -- courtesy of the NY press.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 22, 2008 6:24 PM

Dude, Monk is in the HOF. Get over it.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Takes mid summer peek,
Fantasy draft prep begins.
Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: HaikuMan | June 22, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Monk is in, but Gary Clark isn't even getting considered. Clark's numbers would shock most people. More avg TD's and yards per game in the Super Bowl than Lynn Swann or Michael irvin. Include his 1 USFL season and Clark's career numbers are identical to Irvin, without a HOF QB throwing to him. Andre Reed is in the mix each year with his 7 straight Pro Bowl seasons. Gary Clark's 7 best seasons are better than Andre Reed's 7 straight Pro Bowl seasons.

Grimm, an all decade selection, has been shut out for over a decade while Lachey and Jacoby don't even make it to final 15. Of the 10 OL from the 1980's all-decade team, 6 are in the Hall, Munchak, Zimmerman, Munoz, Stephenson, Webster and Hannah are all in the Hall. 2 or the 4 who aren't? Grimm and Jacoby. How many rings do the 6 that are in have total? 5. How many rings do Jacoby and Grimm have? 6

I'm not saying Strahan isn't deserving, but there is an anti-Skins bias with the HOF voters.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 22, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Houston suggestions! I am definitely getting the Sunday Ticket so I can get the games, but I am hoping to find some people rooting for the right team in Texas! I already know that I will be surrounded by Dallas fans at work!

Posted by: Suzannepdc | June 22, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

there is an anti-Skins bias with the HOF voters.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | June 22, 2008 7:57 PM

Sooooo borrrrrrrrring.

But, welcome back, Haiku Man!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Strong work Up Here this weekend.
Content free, but it kept the numbers up.

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 22, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Tough sledding given the total dearth of News, cload. We gotta get some jibba jabba going, or some news, or something, to wake this sleeping giant, RI planet.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Love to help with the jibba, and most especially with the jabbe, Nate, my main man, but instead I'm off to spend some time with my mate.

Jabba on.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 23, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Comedian George Carlin, a counter-culture hero famed for his routines about drugs, dirty words and the demise of humanity, died of heart failure at a Los Angeles-area hospital on Sunday. He was 71.

Carlin, who had a history of heart and drug-dependency problems, died at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica about 6 p.m. PDT (9 p.m. EDT) after being admitted earlier in the afternoon for chest pains, spokesman Jeff Abraham told Reuters.

Posted by: not crickets | June 23, 2008 5:06 AM | Report abuse

The Truth is a big fan of LaVar and requests that no one badmouths him from here on out. The Truth wishes LaVar the best!

Posted by: The Truth | June 23, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

The Truth blah blah blah The Truth blah blah blah blah The Truth blah blah blah

Can you please get a new schtick?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey SMACK, all gloating at your continuing slump aside, I'm really sorry about the Oranje.

What an ugly set of final fours in the Eurobingus!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I agree that there seems to be an anti Redskins bias, but what kept Monk out for so long, and still guys like Jacoby and Clark, is that they each refuse to "campaign" themselves to the voters. Favre is a first year lock, no doubt, but Strahan will get in before guys like Sapp and Ogden because he going to be all over the TV (unfortunately) and will be talking himself up like nobody short of Michael Irvin (who probably wouldn't be in yet if he wasn't in the media so much). He was borderline good-great, but played in New York, so he's pretty much a lock.

Also IMO, Schilling should be a lock for the baseball HOF simply because the Red Sox brough him in to win a series, and that's basically what put them over the edge. Guy was money in the post season.

Posted by: dlhaze | June 23, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

dl, agreed about Schill, but he's been money in most every post-season he's been in.

Posted by: Greg | June 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

* Apologies for an RI Fantasy Football post *

Sween, cL, Cload, 4th, Mandar, EaglesFan, JM220, Zebra and 4-12 (.250) - can you let me know at usredcoat at gmail dot com if you still want to sign-up, or just sign up at ESPN please.

There are a couple of people 'on reserve', so I'd like to let them know if they will make it in or not. I can;t believe we got to 20 so quickly!

* end of RI fantasy post *

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

RIP George Carlin.

Posted by: etrod | June 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

haze, I'm guessing (okay, hoping) Ogden gets in before Strahan, maybe on the first ballot. Dominance for a long stretch, sustained and acknowledged greatness, one of the best at his position for a long period of time, plus he hoisted the Lombardi. He might well get in on the first ballot.

But whoever is inducted in that class will be dwarfed by Favre, in terms of media adoration and fan idolation. Canton will be wall to wall with giddy cheeseheads that weekend. (Capt. Obvious)

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Curious who from the Ravens, aside from Ogden and Ray Lewis (who I think is a lock), you guys think will be a strong candidate for the HOF. Ed Reed? Anybody else?

Certainly not Siragusa (exhibit A that TV appearances are not guaranteed to raise one's profile.)

Such a weird team -- that amazing defense for all those years, the one title during a season when they went like a month without scoring an offensive TD, the goofball coach...

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I agree Ogden should get in 1st ballot, but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't because he was an OL, and the whole Favre/Strahan thing.......the powers that be are probably already figuring out how to have Brett Favre sacked by Strahan one last time on stage for all the world to laugh together, then shed a tear of joy. Tee shirts and hats on sale in the lobby........

Posted by: dlhaze | June 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The Truth notes the obsession of Mr. Anonymous and doesn't care. The Truth is discussing football matters.

The Truth agrees that Strahan will make HoF because of where he played. The Truth also thinks Brett Favre is the most overrated football player ever. The Truth doesn't care for a player that has the all-time record in interceptions.


The Truth would also like to note that his Georgia Bulldogs will win the National Championship next year - WOOF WOOF WOOF!

Posted by: The Truth | June 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Such a weird team -- that amazing defense for all those years, the one title during a season when they went like a month without scoring an offensive TD, the goofball coach...
-Nate in the PDX
Posted by: | June 23, 2008 10:04 AM

Very similar to the 85-88 Bears; they were the hugely favored team each year with that unbeleiveable d....even after Ryan left for Philly. I just remember being huge underdogs to them in 86 and 87, then knocking their teeth out; those were sweet revenge for them knocking us out in 84. Those bears would cruise through the reg season, then (except for 85) choke in the playoffs against the skins or 49ers. Simlar defense; I think from those teams only Singletary and one of their D lineman are in the hall, although Richard Dent seems to get close every year......

Posted by: dlhaze | June 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

dl, I totally missed that Favre-&-Strahan-on-the-dais-together opportunity. Good call. I threw up in my mouth a little bit at the possibility of those guys doing one last sack... which would be just as legit as the one that set the record.

Singletary and Dan Hampton are in.

Also, on the other side of the ball, Walter Payton. (NOBODY from the Ravens' offense is getting in.)

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: test | June 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Anybody pay enough attention to NASCAR to have caught any recent news/quotes from Joe Gibbs on what role he's playing these days?

Looks like his teams are kicking butt, all three are in the top 10 or 11, and his driver Kyle Busch is leading in points and has won 5 races.

Wonder how Saint Joe's getting back in the mix has affected things at JGR... anybody?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Thoughts:

F NASCAR!

Posted by: chris LArry | June 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html

We do a lot of griping up here about perceived Skins snubbery by the HOF selectors, but a cursory glance at the numbers by franchise doesn't seem to bear it out.

The Hall has an interesting method of associating inductees with franchises for their counts. I'll let them explain it: " Hall of Famers who made the major part of their primary contribution for any one club are listed in BOLD CAPS. In cases where a player contributed about equally and in a major way to two or more clubs - he is listed in BOLD CAPS under both clubs (ie. Nick Buoniconti is listed with both the Patriots and Dolphins as his primary teams). Hall of Famers who spent only a minor portion of their career with any club are listed under that club in lower case."

So, allowing for the possibility of a dude being counted more than once and inflating the numbers, here are the major/minor counts for the franchises with the most inductees, sorted by total "major" inductees, with the year franchise was born:

Bears 26/5 (1920)
Packers 21/5 (1921)
Giants 18/9 (1925)
Redskins 17/5 (1932)
Steelers 17/5 (1933)
Browns 16/5 (1946)
Rams 13/10 (1937)
Raiders 13/5 (1960)
Lions 13/4 (1930)
49ers 12/2 (1946)
Cardinals 11/5 (1920)
Cowboys 10/6 (1960)
Eagles 9/8 (1933)


Sure, I want some Hogs to go in, and I want Gary Clark to go in, and etc. But I would say that, with Art and Darrell going into the Hall next month (they're counted among our 17), we're right where we oughta be, relative to other teams. One man's opinion.

-Nate in the PDX*


* I started signing my comments down here in the comment instead of the "Name" field as a typically silly protest against registration/login being taken away. Now I'm still doing it. Does TheCindy or DeNunz even notice, and if so, care at this point? Doubtful... highly doubtful.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I figured as much, cL. But I AM interested in Coach Gibbs and want to see him do well. And I know we have some dudes out there who follow the NASCAR.

After Zorn hoists the Lombardi with a team whose foundation was laid by Gibbs, we'll all look back much more fondly on those difficult but ultimately necessary Gibbs 2.0 years. Won't we? Won't we, guys?

-Nate in the PDX


(just trying to stoke the conversation a bit this morning. I won't be doing this all day, mind you. I'm going to run out of topics soon.)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

RIP George Carlin!

(big football fan...)

Posted by: chris LArry | June 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

(just trying to stoke the conversation a bit this morning. I won't be doing this all day, mind you. I'm going to run out of topics soon.)

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 10:49 AM

who says there isn't a god?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Are we still'trudging' Nate, or have we slowed to a plod/crawl now?

I care so little about NA-SCAR that I can;t even be bothered to 'F' it....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

who says there isn't a god?

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 10:55 AM

F "no-account, zero-contribution, nothing to offer but cheap shots" anons.

Thankyou for shaking me out of my torpor!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Your down to only the shake of torpor....sounds like time for a re-up!

Posted by: chris LArry | June 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I think Ogden gets in on the First Ballot. Left tackles usually get in right away (Except Jacoby).

Favre is a lock and I agree somewhat with the Truth that he's overrated. Still HOF worthy, but not in the class of Montana, Elway or Unitas. And definately not worth all of the c*cksuckery he's bound to receive when his time comes.

I don't know that Strahan will get in right away. After Favre and Ogden, it may become one of those years (like this one) where they get other guys in first. Maybe that will be the year that Grimm finally gets in. Strahan will make it but I don't think it will be on the first try.

Posted by: etrod | June 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Being a Nascar fan, I can tell you that its probably a case of 50/50 with Joe being back with JGR. Kyle Busch didn't have the equipment last year to compete, so you hardly ever heard about the guy. This year, because JGR has deep pockets, and has better engine builders, etc. he's doing well. Tony Stewart has always been a good driver, and this year is no exception. Denny Hamlin is starting to come into his own as well.

Posted by: Greg | June 23, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Don't you get starved of NASCAR news up in Mass Greg? I'm surprised it isn't illegal to watch transmissions up in Boston!!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Quick question

I was reading on the redskins home page about carlos rogers EYEING a return.

Does anybody know if he has had surgery on his eyes? I remeber last year alot of talk of why he was playing so bad was his eyesight.

I am just saying if he is going to be out for a while can we get that man some corrective eye medicine of surgery.

Posted by: Great One | June 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

F "no-account, zero-contribution, nothing to offer but cheap shots" anons.

Thankyou for shaking me out of my torpor!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 10:57 AM

thats it! fight for your man and defend your boyfriend's honor, douchebag.

was i talking to your ass in the first place? no? okay, i didn't think so.

quit it with your self righteous, fake ass nobility. there aren't anymore heros in the world. stop trying to be one.

you want to feel like a part of something? go crawl in a tree thats about to be cut down. go pick up plastic off the beach shore. use florescent lights only.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

RC, you'd be surprised, its fairly popular up here as well.

I'm headed up to the Nascar race this weekend in NH. Its a good time. I've been going for upwards of 10 years now and its pretty amazing to see. 125-150 thousand people, drinking all day long, and I have yet to see a fist fight. Where-as you could go to a rock fight at ANYTHING, in Philly, and see 10 of them.

Posted by: Greg | June 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

New post shortly...there's a wee bit of off-the-field news.

Posted by: Cindy | June 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

F "no-account, zero-contribution, nothing to offer but cheap shots" anons.

Thankyou for shaking me out of my torpor!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 10:57 AM

thats it! fight for your man and defend your boyfriend's honor, douchebag.

was i talking to your ass in the first place? no? okay, i didn't think so.

quit it with your self righteous, fake ass nobility. there aren't anymore heros in the world. stop trying to be one.

you want to feel like a part of something? go crawl in a tree thats about to be cut down. go pick up plastic off the beach shore. use florescent lights only.

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 11:15 AM

Dude, calm down!

Posted by: suzannepdc | June 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 11:15 AM

You are a waste of skin.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

'Coat, in order to register for the football thing, do I have to remember my account/pw from the basketball thing, or is it a brand-new "opportunity to excel"?

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You are a waste of skin.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:25 AM

Now, now, it wouldn't do to have him oozing out all over the place...

Posted by: cload & daggar | June 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Dude, calm down!

Posted by: suzannepdc | June 23, 2008 11:20 AM

He won't calm down suzanne. People like that have so little in their lives that they have to spend their days p*ssing in other people's cornflakes to make themselves feel important, if only for a moment.

Don't worry anon boy-wonder, 13 is a difficult age, but you will eventually grow out of it, and then you'll just look back on this phase with embarrassment.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: | June 23, 2008 11:15 AM

You are a waste of skin.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:25 AM

So what did I miss? A discussion about plastic surgery? circumcision?

Posted by: dcsween | June 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I see, its about too much caffeine and not enough ITA.

Posted by: dcsween | June 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Cload, the cryptically apocryphal answer to your question is "kangaroo".

The more informative one being "I don't know. But I think you can reuse your existing".

Although if you don't recall your pw, maybe it's better to start afresh?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Yes Sween. Although actually not enough caffeine plus not enough ITA. I have rectified both deficits now.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sween, did you manage to complete registration or did you fall off your the end of your attention span before conclusion due to the painfulness of the process?

(apologies for that but it is 'free' at least).

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow I go away for a couple months and I see little has changed. What's up gang. My beloved Azzuri fell yesterday thank heavens the Skins start in a couple weeks otherwise I'd be left reading the real news.

Posted by: Skinz | June 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't want that skin to go to waste now, would we?

Posted by: Buffalo Bob | June 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

What surprised me is that they went out with a whimper Skinz. No-one should ever lose to the Spaniards in the latter stages of a soccer tournament, they never win!!

Now it's (probably) going to go to the Germans. Again. Ugh.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

i realize he has a horse face and speaks like he has a mouth full of marbles but really no shot for shannon sharpe to make the HOF?

3 rings, 4 times all pro and 8 pro bowls.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 23, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep: new thread needed.

Posted by: Cindy | June 23, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Swoop has closed the gap on Chief Zee (52% to 48%). Voting ends July 1.

Posted by: Chief Zee update | June 23, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

+++Favre is a lock and I agree somewhat with the Truth that he's overrated.++++--Etrod

The Truth requires a week in sickbay for a hangnail and says Favre is overrated? And YOU agree?

Jaysus, they should require licenses for people to have a sports opinion.

Not that I'm a rocket surgeon, but some things are so simple even simpletons should understand.

Ted Williams could hit.

Sandy Koufax could pitch.

Vince Lombardi could coach.

Joe Louis could punch.

Michael Jordan could hoop.

Brett Favre could ball.

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