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Redskins start to dig out ahead of Monday night game

The Redskins say they will remove what they estimate to be 25 million pounds of snow from FedEx Field ahead of the team's "Monday Night Football" game against the New York Giants.

The team said in a release that it planned to bring in more than 1,200 workers to clear snow from the seats and stands, ramps, sidewalks and parking lots. The Redskins had sent staff members to Buffalo last weekend to meet with Bills officials, who know a thing or two about snow removal, at work. Team and FedEx officials also consulted the Denver Broncos, New England Patriots and Pittsburgh for advice on how to remove large quantities of snow quickly and efficiently, the Redskins say.

Kickoff is at 8:30 p.m. Monday,

By Cindy Boren  |  December 19, 2009; 6:16 PM ET
 
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Let's say it altogether now:

"New covered stadium on the RFK lot!"

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Jasno needs to keep his mic farther away from his face.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

t amazes me that now that Zorn leaving is a done deal, people are pining for him to stay. Do you so quickly forget 3 stretch runs time after time? Not going for it on 3rd with 15 secs left? Settling for a FG that missed in the 4th quarter when he could have kept the drive going? Settling for ANOTHER FG that missed? His inability or refusal to get the youngsters on the field until injuries forced his hand? His refusal to sit ARE from both the offense and the PR game? Shutting down the offense when they were kicking azz and yearning to SEIZE VICTORY?

The list goes on and on. Great guy, over matched, but clearly not HC of The Washington Redskins material. Sorry it didn't work out, good luck with the Browns or the Banana Slugs or wherever you wind up.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. You'd figure that Snyder's organization would already have great expertise in dealing with cover-ups and snow jobs....

Posted by: charley42 | December 19, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

OK.

Trying to figure out where the Bruce Allen hate is coming from.

He was wildly successful with the Raiders.

He was with the Bucs for 5 seasons. During that time the Bucs won 2 division titles. The last year he was there, the Bucs were 9-3 before collapsing with 4 straight losses and ending 9-7 to miss the playoffs. (Not sure how you put that collapse on the GM).

(I think people in Tampa Bay didn't like him b/c he released Sapp and Lynch.)

Anyway you cut it, that's a far better track record than what we've seen here in DC. When was the last time we won a division title???

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Not pining for Zorn the play caller, but Zorn the HC. The O is clicking with him at the helm, is it not? Does the HC not take the credit and the blame in spades? What do the other 26 HCs that don't call plays or defense schemes do, anyway?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand something. If the Skins have been negotiating with Shanahan for some time, does that mean he's Snyder's choice for coach, not Bruce's? Isn't the GM supposed to pick the coach after evaluating the team and its situation? Is this whole Shanahan thing telling us that, though Vinny's gone, it's business-as-usual: the idiot owner is calling the shots?

Posted by: chris_zz | December 19, 2009 4:10 PM

I am not a fan of Dan Snyder, but your protrayal above is likely incorrect. During the press conference for Allen, it was mentioned that he and Snyder had been talking for a while on alot of matters. I would say Allen already knew about Shanahan and agreed to it beforehand.

If this is true, this means the organization (and Allen) is not being totally truthful about really evaluating Zorn as if he has a chance to continue being head coach.

Posted by: cannontl | December 19, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I would not mind too much either if Zorn could remain, but Snyder does not operate that way. If he does not get success almost instantly, then he will move on to next person or persons that will fail for him.

The way Zorn has been treated is not right. Snyder will pay for this if he hasn't already.

Even though we don't have Cerrato to kick around anymore we still have Danny. Don't expect Allen and the next Head Coach to do alot better. Snyder doesn't deserve it anyway. It's still a Snyder football operation.

Posted by: cannontl | December 19, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy, Eagle, and Giant fan would love to see Zorn coaching the Skins next year.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 19, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"The O is clicking with him at the helm, is it not?"

Which has brought how many victories? I loved the Raiders game. Yes, the kicker lost the Saints game, but the O didn't win it either. Win the last three and maybe I'll agree.

Posted by: closer44 | December 19, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It wouldbe nice for us if Gray actually got the job. I think he could be one of the "up and coming" that everyone is looking for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey, scamp, I've been thinking the same thing. JG would make a great head coach. Not sure who he would get as OC. But there should be some good guys available at the end of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 19, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

t amazes me that now that Zorn leaving is a done deal, people are pining for him to stay.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not pining for him to stay, I just feel like he's being completely hung out to dry. A little courtesy isn't too much to ask when they put him in a position that he wasn't ready for.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

It wouldbe nice for us if Gray actually got the job. I think he could be one of the "up and coming" that everyone is looking for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 6:27 PM

I'd rather have Rock Cartwright or Brian Mitchell as head coach. Gray's Db's can't tackle, can't cover, and can't take responsibility for their failures. Even University of Memphis doesn't want Gray as head coach. I'd be happier to see him leave than Zorn.

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray?? Jom Zorn?? Greg Blache?? that's what you guys want for head coach?? Must like finishing last in the NFC East.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 19, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins say they will remove what they estimate to be 25 million pounds of snow from FedEx Field...

By Cindy Boren | December 19, 2009; 6:16 PM ET

Right. And right now Snyder's on the phone trying to sell the snow to Sarah Palin. "You say you're losing your permafrost...."

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The way Zorn has been treated is not right. Snyder will pay for this if he hasn't already.

Posted by: cannontl | December 19, 2009 7:12 PM

There was one guy who was treated worse - Norv Turner. But the one thing you can say for Zorn is he has handled the situation with class. He has said the right things and has the team playing hard. Norv, by comparison, acted like a big wus.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 19, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Norv, by comparison, acted like a big wus.

That's because he IS one.!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 19, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The O is clicking with him at the helm, is it not?

Agree to disagree? Either way, in my view the offense is clicking despite his interference. When he gets involved, it gets worse.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

It wouldbe nice for us if Gray actually got the job. I think he could be one of the "up and coming" that everyone is looking for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey, scamp, I've been thinking the same thing. JG would make a great head coach. Not sure who he would get as OC. But there should be some good guys available at the end of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 19, 2009 7:22 PM

Are you guys not paying attention or are you just high?

Grey presides over THE most disappointing unit on the team. Players who cannot even do the fundamentals like tackle, take the proper angle in pursuit, and catch a football and you want him as HC?

He has two #1 draft picks, and second rounder and a couple of third rounders playing for him and they routinely blow assignments and botch coverage. They also have some of the worst attitudes on the team.

ACCOUNTABILITY!

Grey gets the door...

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

But the Redskins are the #1 pass defense in the league.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 19, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Time to go root for the Saints.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 19, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

If the Saints lose a game, PLEASE let it not be against the freaking Cowboys.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 19, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

...Zorn the HC. The O is clicking with him at the helm...
The farther he was sent from the helm, the better the team looked. On the rare occasion they let him steer, the ship ran aground. Help, I'm drowning in a sea of analogy.

As for Norv, seven wasted years. Ol' mumble mouth was a festering wound that was left untreated too long. The concept of the "Glory Days of Norv" couldn't be more retarted if it had a helmet on it.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Grey presides over THE most disappointing unit on the team. Players who cannot even do the fundamentals like tackle, take the proper angle in pursuit, and catch a football and you want him as HC?

He has two #1 draft picks, and second rounder and a couple of third rounders playing for him and they routinely blow assignments and botch coverage. They also have some of the worst attitudes on the team.

ACCOUNTABILITY!

Grey gets the door...

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 8:18 PM |

I would call the oline the most dissappointing group. Also, some players just can't be coached. Carlos and LaRon have been dissappointing from the start and haven't even attempted improving. Shoulda known that with Laron. He came from one of the most undisciplined programs in college football. Plus he's playing out of position. I don't know if that is Gray's call or not.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner is actually highly regarded...

in Deutschland.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"After a nearly century-long struggle, we are on the cusp of making health care reform a reality in the United States of America."

Your President, Mr.Barack Obama

Congratulations are in order?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

25 million pounds of snow = 200,000 names on the season ticket wait list = power rankings

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 19, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"This bill is a legislative train wreck of historic proportions," the party's leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said at a news conference. He pointed to cuts to Medicare that CBO said totaled more than $470 billion over a decade, with reductions in planned payments to home health care agencies and hospices. He also said the bill includes "massive tax increases" at a time of double-digit unemployment.

said your Senator from Kentucky, Mr. Mitch McConnell

Perhaps, then it would be more appropriate to offer my condolences?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau - did you make a wrong turn on the blog links?

The Saints need to shake this slow start off in the second quarter - although I guess it's not a bad thing given that they have allowed the most points scored against them in the 1st quarter than anyone else in the league and they are still 13-0, but I HATE seeing the Cowboys look like they know how to play football. ugh.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 19, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Not thrilled with what is going on. Allen comes in and on day 1, says he is going to evaluate people over the next few weeks. He indicates he will be central to the HC decision. On day 2, the impressions of what he would be doing are already wrong.

Turns out he has, at most, limited involvement in the HC decision. His comments about 'getting to know Zorn" over the next few weeks are already appear irrelevant.

Quite simply, Bruce Allen has been on the job just a couple of days, and he already looks like he is playing the fool.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Insurance companies would be barred immediately from denying coverage to children because of a pre-existing health condition. The prohibition on denial of coverage for adults would not take effect in the Senate bill until 2014, a disappointment for consumer advocates.

earth shattering development for the leader of the developed world, The United States of America.

Congratulations, indeed,

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, a nice German name.

No, I have arrived at my destination.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

zce,

You don't read very well do you, we have tried to explain this to you but I can see you just like posting the same crap over and over again.

Zorn has been fired for a long time, Bruce Allen can't say that at his news conference though why is that so hard for you to understand.

Bruce Allen was involved in the selection of Shanny he has been on the job a lot longer then one day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 19, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Who are you more proud of, as Americans?

A. Sarah Palin
B. Joe Liebermann

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

You both are missing my point. By "Zorn at the healm" I mean his offense. Zorn is the HC. He is installing the offense. His offense is being called by the Sherms.

When you say he shouldn't be let anywhere near the offensive play calling, you are correct; we couldn't agree more. But to ignore the fact that it is his offense, as he envisions offenses should be run, is being run is ignorant.

Zorn=HC, deciderer of what should be run by his team. Lewisx2 +Stump=the people that execute that offense.

Above offense+continuity+improved Oline and Defense=Championship.

Disagree? Maps?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau - did you make a wrong turn on the blog links?

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 19, 2009 8:58 PM

Please don't feed the racist, hating troll:


Wir haben kein Kreiglustiger Afrikanishen Affe als President.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 11, 2009 5:02 PM |

Hey, Rotfrau – Google translator says this means “We don’t have a war-loving African monkey as President.” Is this correct? Basically, you think that Barack Obama is “a war-loving African monkey?”


Your President is propagating a war in Afghanistan, is he not?

Your President is African American, is he not?

Now, look at a picture of Curious George, close yours, and then google an image of Obama.

Am I wrong to point out the obvious?

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 13, 2009 1:46 PM |

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

*current defense with Blache*

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan is old.

In and of itself, this is certainly not a bad trait, but I have yet to see any compelling evidence to compel me to endorse his selection as the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

It seems to be a foregone conclusion, however, and might prove to be a shrewd choice by Mr. Snyder.

Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan would represent a significant upgrade from Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn. They have a wealth of experience between them.


Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Not thrilled with what is going on. Allen comes in and on day 1, says he is going to evaluate people over the next few weeks. He indicates he will be central to the HC decision. On day 2, the impressions of what he would be doing are already wrong.

Turns out he has, at most, limited involvement in the HC decision. His comments about 'getting to know Zorn" over the next few weeks are already appear irrelevant.

Quite simply, Bruce Allen has been on the job just a couple of days, and he already looks like he is playing the fool.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 9:02 PM |

Actually the real problem is you are listening to too many talking heads. Nothing with substance has happened and yet you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions based on rampant rumor and conjecture. Chill and let's see. Remember that journalists are often liars and deceivers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Interesting formation run by the pukes--2 TEs as split backs with an HB lined up as if in an I formation taking the delay.

whatevs.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Mr. Source.

Impressive capacity for comment retention you have displayed for us here this evening, but I would prefer if you reposted the one where I infer you are a lazy American.

Yes, he looks like Curious George (Obama.)

and like Mr. George he is proving to be a fictitious character.

You know, your former President had very simeon like features as well.

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, disagree entirely. Don't wanna dance on a dead man grave, but apparently thats what it will take.

Zorn sucks as a playcaller, and refuses to cede that entirely to anyone else. He interferes in the redzone and in two minute. His decisions have cost the Redskins victories most obviously against the Cowboys and Saints.

Besides that, assuming he would cede all playcalling (which he has proven he is incapable), that leaves him with game management at which he sucks even more than play calling. Time outs, punt/go, FG or not, etc etc.

In short, he is a GD loser, and deserves to get fired. Good riddance.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

zce,

You don't read very well do you, we have tried to explain this to you but I can see you just like posting the same crap over and over again.

Zorn has been fired for a long time, Bruce Allen can't say that at his news conference though why is that so hard for you to understand.

Bruce Allen was involved in the selection of Shanny he has been on the job a lot longer then one day.

Posted by: Flounder21

I read fine. I also talk good.

I'm sure you understand how Bruce Allen wouldn't want to look like an idiot on day 1. But he started by saying one thing and is immediately contradicted. Most execs don't like that, let alone on day 2. I guess you are too ignorant to know stuff like that.

I'm not naive as to what may be going on ... I just don't like what is going on.

As for Shanahan, until i's are dotted and t's are crossed, its not a done deal. My guess is to get Shanahan, Danny had to offer the job of team president. President/HC is not a good formula.

Further, if Shanahn's hire is imminent, why not wait until he was on board before bringing Allen on board. You know, the owner hires the president, the president hires the GM ... the intelligent way of doing business.

At the end of the day, will this team be better with Shanahan and Allen compared to Vinny and Zorn? Of course.

There is still a lot going on. Will Zorn get the axe shortly or will it wait until the end of the year? Is Shanahan waiting because he'll collect more $$ if he waits to sign? Or is there something else, like he is waiting until he gets to a shot at dallas?

Lots of moving parts here, and from my perspective, they aren't moving quite right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, my friends, the moral stain of not necessarily having a contract with a greedy insurance company full of scum of the earth, looking to screw you out of coverage, deny you treatment, and ultimately cause you to die -- quickly -- has been replaced with the joyous human right of paying the same greedy insurance company full of scum of the earth who will rely on government-mandated "best practices" to deny you treatment and ultimately cause you to die (but in the long, drawn-out manner that bureaucracies specialize in).
In other words, not much has changed, except for the 8 million who'd rather have a few more bucks in their pocket than an insurance card, and 15 million who'll have part of that insurance bill paid.
But the holiday parties at Cigna and Aetna are gonna rock!

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, disagree entirely. Don't wanna dance on a dead man's grave, but apparently that iss what it will take.

Zorn sucks as a playcaller, and refuses to cede that entirely to anyone else. He interferes in the redzone and in two minute. His decisions have directly cost the Redskins victories most obviously against the Cowboys and Saints.

Besides that, assuming he would cede all playcalling (which he has proven he is incapable), that leaves him with game management at which he sucks even more than play calling. Time outs, punt/go, FG or not, etc etc.

Finally, his failure to get the right players on the field is inexcusable. ARE retuning punts is reason enough in and of itself for him to be kicked in the azz out the door. He is wishy washy and rolls over when his players come crying to his office. His players often announce moves, and then he plays both sides of the fence for the rest of the week. His players throw each other and him under the bus in the press.

In short, he is a GD loser, and deserves to get fired. Good riddance.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Lots of moving parts here, and from my perspective, they aren't moving quite right.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 9:23 PM |

Doesn't really seem anything is really moving except the mouths and pens of jacka$$ reporters.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's harsher than I would state it, but I'm at a loss thinking of a single defining characteristic of the man that would indicate that he will ever be a reasonably competent head coach.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

professional head coach, I should say. I'd be honored to have him coach my son's pee wee league team. Particularly if he brought the tackling dummies.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

When you say he shouldn't be let anywhere near the offensive play calling, you are correct; we couldn't agree more.
Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, disagree entirely.

Zorn sucks as a playcaller, and refuses to cede that entirely to anyone else. He interferes in the redzone and in two minute. His decisions have cost the Redskins victories most obviously against the Cowboys and Saints.

Besides that, assuming he would cede all playcalling (which he has proven he is incapable), that leaves him with game management at which he sucks even more than play calling. Time outs, punt/go, FG or not, etc etc.

In short, he is a GD loser, and deserves to get fired. Good riddance.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

dude, are you paying attention? we usually agree, WTF?

We are in agreement except that I'm talking about a situation where ZORN CEDES ALL PLAY CALLING, IS A HC. He has grown in his game management, and is learning on the job. He would be better in the same role next year.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

As to BA being here for the rest of the year, better to get vinny the hell out of the way.

And again, BA is Shanahan's GM, not vice versa.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

He has grown in his game management...

hmm. Can you give me an example? I cannot think of a single moment where I said, "wow, that was professional-grade coaching".

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Woof. Drew Brees dogging it tonight.

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

We are in agreement except that I'm talking about a situation where ZORN CEDES ALL PLAY CALLING, IS A HC. He has grown in his game management, and is learning on the job. He would be better in the same role next year.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I am paying attention and i know we usually agree.

1. Zorn has already REFUSED to cede all playcalling in direct violation of direction from his then boss. Whatever you think of that decision or the then boss, that is insubordination. What makes you think he would now cede because he has a new boss? He has stated he LIVES to be a play caller. Fine, go do it some where else. He was brought here to do that, but proved himself incapable of doing it to a level required as play caller of The Washington Redskins.

2. I don't want somebody who is improving in game management or learning on the job. From where Zorn is now, with a lot of work he could attain mediocrity. F that.

3. This discussion is academic at best. He is done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

He has grown in his game management...

hmm. Can you give me an example? I cannot think of a single moment where I said, "wow, that was professional-grade coaching".

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes. When was the last time he went for it on 4th down in our own territory? When he got conservative in NO and played for the 23 yard FG up late in the 4th quarter, it was the right move but it didn't turn out in our favor because our kicker missed.

I think your beef with Zorn is his meddling with the play calling in crucial circumstances--I agree. But I think he is starting to get it and I'd like to see him do well here next year with others calling his plays.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

As Snyder and Allen have decided to fire Zorn, when Cerrato resigned, why didn't they just fire Zorn then and appoint an interim coach?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 19, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

If I come and shovel snow, will I get a ticket to the game?

Posted by: dkbain1 | December 19, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

If I come and shovel snow, will I get a ticket to the game?

Posted by: dkbain1 | December 19, 2009 9:58 PM

No. You'll get a sore back. At least, that's how it worked for me. That snow is heavy.

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

There is no way JZ will "comply" with not calling plays full time if he's the HC going forward. It's what he thinks is a strength and his ego will not be filled if he's not in charge of that responsibility. HE struggles now to admit that Sherm Lewis's playcalling has helped the offense. Another year with Zorn as HC, will be another year ofhis playcalling and that's not a good thing.

Posted by: TWISI | December 19, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Romo, his management of the possession inside the ten against the Saints was a prime example of his poor management decisions. He could have...should have... taken a shot at the endzone to put the game out of reach on 3rd down. The clock was going to stop at the two minute warning anyway. In addition, the Saints couldn't stop the Redskins passing game all day, and the players wanted to go for the TD. Instead, Zorn played into the Saints hands by running 3 times. With nothing to lose, Zorn made the wrong move when the right move would have cost him nothing. It was a free roll on 3rd down, and he chose to pass the dice.

Here is another more subtle point: If you are gonna run it on 3rd, at least go left so the ball gets into the middle of the field instead of leaving Suisham the harsh angle kick from the right hash that deep.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Dallas, why are the Saints acting like the Saints of the past

Posted by: jiacinto | December 19, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

When we hired Zorn, I thought "thank God it wasn't Mariucci, Billick, or Fassel." Now I think, "Damn! We could have had Mariucci, Billick, or Fassel and we ended up with this turkey."

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

As Snyder and Allen have decided to fire Zorn, when Cerrato resigned, why didn't they just fire Zorn then and appoint an interim coach?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 19, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse


Nothing to gain by doing that, the season is already lost. You let Zorn go out with what shred of dignity that may remain, and to display the moral courage and character that could get him an interview or job as a Pro OC or College HC. You don't force some other guy to have to stand there for 3 weeks to eat the last few bites of Zorn's turd sandwich.

Maybe he was offered the chance to resign, and told them "No, please let me finish it out"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

league-Source

"Woof. Drew Brees dogging it tonight."

What's interesting is the saints offense doesn't have a solid enough running game to play ball control.

The saints need a bruising back to be paired with Thomas to help take the load off Brees.

A ball control-style attack would allow them to chew up the clock and kick a couple field goals and score to get back into the flow of the game.

This is a note for any team meeting them in the playoffs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 19, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Cool, glad we agree on points 1&3.

But on point 2, this was my beef with Gibbs 2.0 vs 1.0--Gibbs did not learn from his mistakes as a coach. If Zorn called 2 timeouts in a row, you would crucify him as a novice. I'd take an evolving Zorn over a static Gibbs 3.0 any day, second round exits be damned!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Skisnfan--I was thinking in terms of simply putting Zorn out of his misery and helping him find an coordinator job elsewhere.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 19, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I would call the oline the most dissappointing group. Also, some players just can't be coached. Carlos and LaRon have been dissappointing from the start and haven't even attempted improving. Shoulda known that with Laron. He came from one of the most undisciplined programs in college football. Plus he's playing out of position. I don't know if that is Gray's call or not.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 8:45 PM |

The expectations for the O line was so low because of Vinsanity's incompetent draft strategies over the past few years that I would say they have been a problem, but it was expected - not a disappointment. And have you noticed how a great coach (Buges) has rallied that unit of no-names and gotten the most out of them. Lately - they have exceeded expectations.

The rest of your post is just excusing bad coaching. Again, he's accountable for that unit and he has top draft pick talent all over the place.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Lots of moving parts here, and from my perspective, they aren't moving quite right.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 9:23 PM |

Doesn't really seem anything is really moving except the mouths and pens of jacka$$ reporters.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Some truth there. Snyder doesn't telegraph his moves. Who had Zorn for HC? Gibbs return? Vinny getting fired this past week? Bruce Allen as GM?

The media didn't see ANY of these coming -- they were off by a lot -- every time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I was at that game he called the 2 TO in a row. It was against Buffalo. It was right after ST21 died. The entire stadium stood in shocked and saddened silence realizing that St Joe had made a crucial, crucial mistake. Nobody could cast any aspersions or anger after what the Redskins had been through and how Joe had lead them forward after Sean's death. BTW, he immediately assumed all responsibility for the blunder right after the game and denied several opportunities to pass the buck.

Later, it came out that the press box coaches told him to take another TO, that he asked the side judge if it was legal to take two in a row before he called the second, and after he did the Referee correctly called the 15 yard penalty.

I think that is the day he decided to retire for good from football.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Skisnfan--I was thinking in terms of simply putting Zorn out of his misery and helping him find an coordinator job elsewhere.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 19, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but it seems a bit reminiscent of the Robiskie year.

With Shanny in place, there is no need to run Zorn, and I think they think letting him finish gives him the best chance going forward and is the least humiliating. They may be wrong, but i think that is the calculus.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe some of you are suggesting that Zorn get to stick around because he has been treated poorly. Yes, the team did not do right by him, but heck, no matter what they did, they didn't force him to make some of the absolutely ludicrous calls he made at the beginning of the season. They didn't make him diminish training camp. To me, this is just a simple case of cause and effect: Zorn was not a good head coach, Zorn was treated poorly; Zorn lost football games, Zorn will lose his job. Why keep him around just to balance the cosmic scales of justice? It doesn't win football games.

The Redskins have played better over the last few weeks, but they still have only won two games in the last five. Winning is what it is about in the NFL. The Redskins just aren't getting it done. It doesn't matter if a coach can have his team put up tons of points, or just a few - if he can't win, he's going to be unemployed. I, for one, do not feel any sympathy for Zorn's situation. He took the job fully knowledgeable of the fact that the owner was not patient. He got paid a pot of money and got to have a job that most coaches in his position never ever get to have. It didn't work out, but life will go on for Zorn. He'll pick up another coaching job - maybe as a head coach in the college ranks - and he'll be just fine.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 19, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were talking about non-playcalling HC decisionmaking?
I can think of poor HC performance as recently as the CowPies game -- the fiasco leading up the the half was just not professional.
Even Suisham's last drive was an example of missing some of the little things that spell the difference between success and failure -- playcalling aside, if you decide you're settling for a FG, you make sure you call a play that puts the ball right down the middle, and you make sure the RB knows that that is his primary responsibility.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Well said RedSkinHead

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I've been at many games with many revelries. My 30th birthday was lower level when ST21 returned the FG with the face-mask and the Nick Novak winner. Great.

One of my first memories as a child was 70Chip vs the Fins.

Awesome. Your current unknown coach could get it and lead our team IMHO.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Despite NY's fall from grace, I'm afraid the turmoil in the FO is going to discombobulate the 'SKINS, and they will take their eye off the prize MONDAY night. I hope not, but fear the worst.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 19, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't know of many other ways to say it. He's learning. I guess we agree to disagree.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

This is blasphemy to many, but if you want to minimize the chance of jerruh somehow sweeping Shanahan out from danny's grasp, the boys playing well and making the Playoffs is not a bad thing. I figure if they go 2-1 down the stretch (W L W), they make the playoffs.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

This is blasphemy to many, but if you want to minimize the chance of jerruh somehow sweeping Shanahan out from danny's grasp, the boys playing well and making the Playoffs is not a bad thing. I figure if they go 2-1 down the stretch (W L W), they make the playoffs.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:46 PM |

Jerruh can have Shanahan IMO.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

who would you prefer edvar?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The rest of your post is just excusing bad coaching. Again, he's accountable for that unit and he has top draft pick talent all over the place.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 10:25 PM

You must be a democrat, no personal responsibility for the players at all. It couldn't possibly be their fault they suck. You can't coach crap, at best you get a polished turd. I don't care where these db's (dooshbags) were drafted, that was bad scouting and poor placement. Landry is out of position and we've heard the coaches constantly talking about how he needs to stop going for the kill and just make the tackle and yet he does the same stupid crap every game. Maybe you are suggesting that Grey should play for him because he certainly can't make Landry do what he's supposed to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

MK12 would have caught that ball, lol.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I do agree with you on one thing though edvar...The girls can have Shanahan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Brees has such good footwork.

Posted by: TWISI | December 19, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Now that's a WR screen I can be a fan of!!

F*ck Dallas!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

how about you scampbell? who would you prefer to shanny as HC?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have Holmgren or Chucky over Shanny. Honestly though I would take Grimm or Gray over a retread. Heck, Blache would be okay too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll apologize in advance, but when Millen said that Brees has a clock in his head, I'm thinking a digital timer with six digit precision, where with JC I'm thinking of a deputy Dawg alarm clock going "wonnn, tooooo, threeeee".

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Funny stuff Daggar.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

F*ck Dallas

My sentiments exactly.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 19, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Blache is gonna hang em up. Would not mind Gray, but then you gotta bring in an Offensive staff? Who? Run Zorn and keep everybody else? Seems like that could have been done already. Since it wasn't it means ot me a new O staff would have to be brought in... so, who?


Holmgren, Shanny, or Gruden are all fine with me. I just think Shanny is a done deal.

Enjoyed the discourse, off to poker.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

please note where the ball is placed for this critical FG attempt.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The Saint's are blessed

Posted by: TWISI | December 19, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Suisham kicking for the Cowboys now?

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA HA HA !!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 19, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

oh scamp.....

this cowpukes/saints game is making me ill....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 19, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It's official....

GOD wants the Saints to go undefeated.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 19, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

who would you prefer edvar?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 10:53 PM |

I'd take a long look at Russ Grimm.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh f the girls! Let's go Saints! Boy it sure looks familiar.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Boy, showing all those practice misses right before you have to step up and execute can get into your head.
Funny, usually I am Tiger Woods on the practice tee and Inthe Woods during the game.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

These Saints have a charmed life.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

You gotta say that #74 LT for the Saints has got to be a problem for them. He was holding Orapko all afternoon during our game, and he's been a turnstile most of tonight.

Posted by: daggar | December 19, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Suisham "I coulda done THAT"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

ALL TOGETHER NOW: There is No Cerrato Controvery. I'd take George Allen's cleaning lady or Joe Gibbs' long-lost second cousin over another year of no-winnie Vinnie.

Posted by: winker2233 | December 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

That blows hog balls.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys did what the Redskins couldn't. Crapola.

Anyone wanna come over and shovel my walk tomorrow? What about you daggar?

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

DAMNIT, THE DAMN COWGIRLS BEAT THE SAINTS! DAMNIT TO HELL!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 19, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why they didn't give #74 help. Anyways, the Skins will get them next week.

Posted by: TWISI | December 19, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Night all.
Hail!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

You must be a democrat, no personal responsibility for the players at all. It couldn't possibly be their fault they suck. You can't coach crap, at best you get a polished turd. I don't care where these db's (dooshbags) were drafted, that was bad scouting and poor placement. Landry is out of position and we've heard the coaches constantly talking about how he needs to stop going for the kill and just make the tackle and yet he does the same stupid crap every game. Maybe you are suggesting that Grey should play for him because he certainly can't make Landry do what he's supposed to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 10:54 PM

Say What?

First, I'm an independent. Why you try to tag a political tag on me because I think our secondary plays like a bunch of idiots and the coach should have some accountability for that escapes me. Unbelievably shallow thinking on that one.

Our secondary routinely gets beat on double moves, and blown coverages, Their tackling skills are laughable at times, and they fail at the most critical times. If it were one person, sure. It runs deeper than that. That makes me a democrat, or you delusional?

Either way, I don't reward the person in charge of that unit with a promotion.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

SAINTS?!?! TEAM OF DESTINY MY A*S! HOW COULD YOU LOSE TO THE MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL DECEMBER TEAM THIS DECADE?!?!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 19, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys did what the Redskins couldn't. Crapola.

Anyone wanna come over and shovel my walk tomorrow? What about you daggar?

Posted by: League-Source | December 19, 2009 11:31 PM |

By that you mean, after their kicker missed a chip shot to put it out of reach, their SECONDARY didn't get smoked on a stupid double move, so they were able to hold on for the win.

Is that what you mean?

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should hire the secondary coach from Dallas to be our next HC...

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

the Saints have won by slim margins several times in the past month or so.

ATL was down 3 with the ball late and had a shot to tie or win (was it with a backup QB?).

The Rams trailed by 5 (after a missed 2pt try) and had a Hail Mary from less than 40(?) yards away to win.

Of course, we all know how close the game vs us was.

Saints have a great record, but people probably saw their blowout of the Pats and think its that team that shows up game after game. Not the case

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 20, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Our secondary routinely gets beat on double moves, and blown coverages, Their tackling skills are laughable at times, and they fail at the most critical times. If it were one person, sure. It runs deeper than that. That makes me a democrat, or you delusional?

Either way, I don't reward the person in charge of that unit with a promotion.

Posted by: edvar | December 19, 2009 11:34 PM |

The democrat crack was a joke dude, chill. This idiot has been getting beat on double moves for how long? You don't think the coaches have been trying to work on it with him? The fact that he just doesn't get it can't be pinned on a coach. He's just not as good as some seem to think.
Secondly, Laron...well..what can I say, he's not in the position that he should be playing, He also is not as good as some seem to think. He doesn't take coaching well. I believe I just said that the coaches have continually said what his issues are yet he still hasn't corrected them. That's not coaching. When your boss tells you to not be late yet you are continually late who's fault is that? Not your boss...

The only shallow thinking was you taking yourself waaay too seriously. If you can't recognize a stab (albeit a poor one) at humor than you are the one that is delusional. The democrat jab was at the personal responsibility remark, you know, where you were blaming the sh!tty secondary play on the coaches and not the players. I can't believe I had to explain this.

HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 20, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Ok, my bad.

I do agree that Landry is playing out of position, and have posted the same lately.

However, if an employee is repeatedly late, it is the bosses fault for not being able to correct that behavior. Seriously, you have to find a way to get through to them. Grey does have some of the responsibility here, and yeah we have a couple of knuckle heads here too.

Sorry I missed your humor.

Posted by: edvar | December 20, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

ls, I'll be over as soon as I dig out my own driveway,
Should be there by Friday, look for me with a red vehicle. Might park on the roof to make sure I get the whole driveway cleared.

Posted by: daggar | December 20, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Well that sucks Dallas won but we can still potentially ruin their playoff aspirations. I can't root for us to lose ever, but worse things could come from finishing loss (NYG), win (DAL), loss (SD). Top 7 draft pick, could keep Dallas out of playoffs.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 20, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

P.S. assuming that Okung isn't available when we pick, I'd love to trade out of our spot- e.g., the #7 for #'s 12 and 43- and take the best available OT (i.e., Bruce Campbell GO TERPS) and then either a spped back (e.g., McCluster) or the best available OG/OT.

And with that uninspired, unlikely thought, i'm off to bed. Night all and Hail

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 20, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

As a fan of the Redskins for nearly six decades, I like the Allen hire. But it really got to me when Allen said there is no opening for head coach. I guess that mean that Shanity already is coach in all but name. Listen, Zorn was not my choice as Gibbs' successor. But the way the organization had treated him is beyond indecent. Anyone, including Allen, willing to enter this snakepit is truly nuts.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | December 20, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

How is Zorn being treated indecent? He was hired to do a job. He was not being successful. The FO hired a consultant to help him. The consultant decided the playcalling was the problem (maybe they felt Zorn had too many hats). The playcalling was given to someone else. The offense improved. I don't see a problem.

As for the rumors of hiring, Zorn took a 9-7 team, started out at 6-2, closed out at 2-6 (looking bad during the stretch) and now has a 4-9 team. Why shouldn't the FO be thinking about a new coach and if they think a new coach might be in order why wait until the last minute. After all they were throughly critized for taking so long to hire Zorn. Just because they may be interviewing it doesn't mean they can't keep Zorn depending on how the last 3 games go.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 20, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

pay me $2 million a year and see how much indignity I can handle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 20, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

oK. . .I must be missing something. . .if shanny is indeed new skins coach, then we'd have 2 former donkeys coaches in nfc east!?!? Whiskey tango...can't be...

I wouldn't mind seeing dub G get it, not sure dan has come THAT far...let it snow...at least in CO...

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 20, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Consult on how to remove a lot of snow? Seriously? My 12 year old neighbor kid could have told them how to do it.

Posted by: nojunk4me | December 20, 2009 2:23 AM | Report abuse

I would rather have Holmgren or Chucky over Shanny. Honestly though I would take Grimm or Gray over a retread. Heck, Blache would be okay too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 19, 2009 11:06 PM

You're joking right.

Gray was passed over for the Memphis job.

I love Grimm, but he is most likely a position coach, much like Bugel.

Blatche is an average D coordinator with decent stats. His “bend but don't break” scheme resembles more of a “let the other team score just enough to win” scheme.

And you'd rather have two coaches that have won 1 super bowl vs. a coach with two.

C'mon Man....

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2009 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys! Let's keep focused. This monday night is "our" Division championship game for this season. And our next game is our Super Bowl! The last one is our Pro Bowl. If we win all three, how can the new FO fire Zorn? He's learning this HC job, and one can see some positive results lately. Give him the benefit of the doubt. I liked to go into next season with a 4 game winning streak. JC and JZ are both doing well. Let's see if they continue to roll. I hope the new BA gives 'em a chance to show everyone that both these guys aren't playing out of position!

Posted by: DeployedFan | December 20, 2009 5:52 AM | Report abuse

"t amazes me that now that Zorn leaving is a done deal, people are pining for him to stay."

It doesn't make much sense. Zorn was a classic mistake hire, by an impulsive owner in the wake of rejection by Cowher. And on the advice of Vinny Cerrato, of all people. It's more than difficult to prepare yourself to advance a full two pay grades in the NFL, from QB coach who doesn't call plays, to HC of a staff that includes a D-coordinator already in place. And Zorn struggled.

That said, he's improving.

I think of Zorn as an interim baseball manager who performed well enough his first year to be hired back for a second. But now the front office has changed and they want their own guy. Meanwhile Zorn can catch on somewhere else, if he's not too impatient.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

"He was with the Bucs for 5 seasons. During that time the Bucs won 2 division titles. The last year he was there, the Bucs were 9-3 before collapsing with 4 straight losses and ending 9-7 to miss the playoffs. (Not sure how you put that collapse on the GM)."

You can't, actually. Firing Allen and Gruden (Gruden had actually been there longer) is one of those stupid moves that owners sometimes make. You can see how well Tampa has done since (not).

IMO it illustrates one of the problems with building a strong team that lacks an established QB. Allen and Gruden wound up with a QB-of-the-week plan and eventually it caught up with them in the form of a four game losing streak and a lost playoff spot.

For a while it looked like Jeff Garcia would do for the Bucs what Rich Gannon had done for Allen in Oakland, but it wasn't to be.

Is he a good GM? Probably. He's smart, personable, totally dedicated to football, and able to work with a difficult boss. Is he going to turn the Skins around? That's hard to tell.

Some of his #1 draft choices while he was in Oakland: CB Phil Buchanon, MLB Nap Harris, K Sebastian Janikowski, DB Derek Gibson. In Tampa, they picked DE Gaines Adams, G Davin Joseph, WR Michael Clayton, and of course RB Cadillac Williams.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

"You must be a democrat, no personal responsibility for the players at all. It couldn't possibly be their fault they suck. You can't coach crap, at best you get a polished turd. I don't care where these db's (dooshbags) were drafted, that was bad scouting and poor placement. Landry is out of position and we've heard the coaches constantly talking about how he needs to stop going for the kill and just make the tackle and yet he does the same stupid crap every game. Maybe you are suggesting that Grey should play for him because he certainly can't make Landry do what he's supposed to.Posted by: scampbell1975"

Number of problems with this post. A few:

1) Landry's out of position because the coaching staff put him there. And they put him there because they thought they had no one better. He's guilty of offering too much run support. But then, the Skins haven't stopped the run too well this year -- check the stats.

2) There's plenty of talent in the secondary -- as a group. But each seems to have a particular flaw. Some miss tackles; some miss interceptions. Some follow big plays with stupid mistakes (Kareem Moore). They're still often without a shutdown corner, which puts more pressure on the others.

3) The secondary doesn't get a lot of help from the linebackers in coverage. Orakpo is still out of position. London Fletcher is a tackling machine but a relative struggler in pass protection.

4) When the line gets pressure, the secondary immediately looks better. Pressure was the problem in '08, and despite the improvement in sacks, from time to time has been a problem in '09, too. If you watched NO-DALLAS last night, you saw what pressure does to a great QB.

5) The improvement in sacks, by the way, is always at least partly attributable to really good coverage in the secondary. Just as the improvement in INTs this year is very much the result of games with improved pressure from the line.

Not much reasoning in your post, scampbell. Maybe that's not your strong point.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

t amazes me that now that Zorn leaving is a done deal, people are pining for him to stay. Do you so quickly forget 3 stretch runs time after time? Not going for it on 3rd with 15 secs left? Settling for a FG that missed in the 4th quarter when he could have kept the drive going? Settling for ANOTHER FG that missed? His inability or refusal to get the youngsters on the field until injuries forced his hand? His refusal to sit ARE from both the offense and the PR game? Shutting down the offense when they were kicking azz and yearning to SEIZE VICTORY?

The list goes on and on. Great guy, over matched, but clearly not HC of The Washington Redskins material. Sorry it didn't work out, good luck with the Browns or the Banana Slugs or wherever you wind up.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Well said. Especially with the rooks. They should have been on the field last year. Maybe Zorn would have a better record this year if he would have developed Thomas, Davis and Kelly last year. You have to use all your weapons these days.

Posted by: saqster | December 20, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"Well said. Especially with the rooks. They should have been on the field last year. Maybe Zorn would have a better record this year if he would have developed Thomas, Davis and Kelly last year."Posted by: saqster

Or maybe not. That's the thing about rookies -- they're all potential coach killers. You have to assume Zorn didn't make that call all by himself -- that he had input from his coaches as well.

The main reason the offense is playing better right now is twofold: blocking and play-calling. Whatever Sherm Lewis' actual role might be, things have improved. That's the big indictment of Zorn as a coordinator -- he didn't do a very good job.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: League-Source | December 20, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

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