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Redskins' strength and conditioning staff is let go

While most of the news leaking out of Redskins Park the past two weeks has concerned the team's turnover on the coaching staff, there are a couple other areas of the organization that we haven't discussed much: the strength and conditioning staff and the front office. One is being the overhauled and the other -- at least for now -- remains unchanged.

Last week, the entire strength and conditioning staff was quietly let go, including John Hastings, the head strength and conditioning coach the past four seasons. Hastings had been with the team since 2002. Also released were his assistants, Bobby Crumpler, who'd been with the team for seven seasons, and Harrison Bernstein, who'd been with the team for three years.

Together, the trio ran the off-season workout program, which means the Redskins will want to get a new group in place quickly. With several players recovering from injuries, the team is expected to have an active offseason around the facility, with several players expected to train there.

The team did not annouce the changes on the strength and conditioning staff, and though the entire coaching staff has been updated with new hires on the team's official web site, Hastings, Crumpler and Bernstein are still listed.

Hastings and Bernstein were both in Mobile, Ala., this week for the Senior Bowl, to investigate prospects in a thin NFL job market.

As for the front office, there haven't been instant wide-sweeping changes -- at least not yet. General manager Bruce Allen is at the Senior Bowl this week, and so is Scott Campbell, the team's director of player personnel -- and a team employee since 2001.
Campbell was considered one of Vinny Cerrato's top lieutenants and played an active role in the Redskins' recent drafts. He appears to be playing an active role this week, as well. While coaches watched from the stands, Campbell spent Tuesday as one of the team's designees to watch practices up-close from the playing field.

By Rick Maese  |  January 27, 2010; 6:38 AM ET
 
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there is a big flaw up here:

Sanchez vs. Russel

Statistically Russell had a better rookie year

How this tranlates shouldn't be Russels a bust and sanchez isn't

The jets are good and the raiders aren't is the better assessment

This is also why the Campbell criticism is unfair

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

Russell is a waste of talent, not motivated to learn, piece of sh*t who preens around like an NFL QB. Other than that he's great.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 27, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas. With all the times Dallas has been F-ed on this blog, Dallas should have more kids han Jolie and Octomom combined.

BTW, anyone see Octomom in a bikini on the cover of Star mag? Not bad...I'd hit.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 27, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

I wonder why people always talking about getting rid of JC-I wonder if these same people knew that if they had about 2 300+ pound guys running after you like you had two cheeseburgers hanging out your pocket, I bet they wouldn't throw a touchdown either-ask Tony romo-lol!!!

Posted by: lamarlamarwash | January 27, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas. With all the times Dallas has been F-ed on this blog, Dallas should have more kids han Jolie and Octomom combined.

BTW, anyone see Octomom in a bikini on the cover of Star mag? Not bad...I'd hit.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 27, 2010 7:17 AM |

Except Dallas is barren and infertile.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

They're only a couple years late on firing the strength/conditioning staff, aren't they? I mean, we led the league in hamstring injuries for like 4 years running...

And yes, I'm on board with tapping the ass of Octomom. Followed promptly by finishing in her hair and donkey punching her. That's how we do crazy chicks, son.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Finally!! This is perhaps a more important development than the big name switches.

Our training program has been a thorn in our side for a long time.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"Hastings and Bernstein were both in Mobile, Ala., this week for the Senior Bowl, to investigate prospects in a thin NFL job market."

Strength and conditioning coaches looking for a job in a "...thin market...".

Isn't there a pun lodged in that line?

It's like saying the fired prostitute went to the farm looking for a job where she could hoe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe, it looks like someone is bucking for Editor! lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with you guys on this one. It's about damn time these guys got the axe. They hamstrung us for years...literally.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Scamp wants the editor job, too? lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

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Nope. More importantly, does anyone here think Campbell could have led the Jets to the playoffs?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder if these same people knew that if they had about 2 300+ pound guys running after you like you had two cheeseburgers hanging out your pocket,.."


Wow!

What an image.

Already, I see Albert Haynesworth and Mike Williams running after a clownish Ronald McDonald down a crowded city sidewalk.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

RSH,

Two wrongs DO make a right. I'm glad we didn't get a chance to ruin Sanchez. And I don't think they get there w/ Campbell.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, here's hoping that the next trainer understands how to prevent hamstring injuries and torn bicep/tricep injuries. A solid background in pharmaceuticals might also be a key item on the old resume...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if these same people knew that if they had about 2 300+ pound guys running after you like you had two cheeseburgers hanging out your pocket,.."


Wow!

What an image.

Already, I see Albert Haynesworth and Mike Williams running after a clownish Ronald McDonald down a crowded city sidewalk.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:28 AM
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So, you're saying Jason Campbell would be a better quarterback if he wore a Ronald McDonald costume? Wouldn't those big red flappie shoes impair his mobility?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora
Bucs, Redskins looking at McCardell as WRs coach

Posted: January 26th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Keenan McCardell, Mike Shanahan, Richard Mann, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Washington Redskins

The Buccaneers and Redskins are considering Keenan McCardell for their receiver coaching vacancies, according to league sources.

McCardell, a longtime stalwart receiver, has had contact with both teams and likely will meet with them more during the Senior Bowl this week in Mobile, Ala.

McCardell, who spent time assisting the Giants during the 2009 preseason, has a strong reputation within the league, and his technique and preparation defined his 16-year NFL career. He originally was a 12th-round draft pick by the Redskins in 1991, but he became a star with the Jaguars (1996-2001) and later ended his career in Washington in 2007. He also played two seasons (2002-03) with the Bucs and spent time with the Browns (1992-95) and Chargers (2004-06).

The Redskins interviewed former Bucs receivers coach Richard Mann several weeks ago, but the job has remained vacant on new coach Mike Shanahan’s staff.

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McCardell has been getting high pub since last summer. I hope he gets a chance to help improve the play at WR for the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

This is a great success for the off season. If you looked at our injury reports from the end of the year, over 30 players were listed as probable or worse.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 27, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

And yes, I'm on board with tapping the ass of Octomom. Followed promptly by finishing in her hair and donkey punching her. That's how we do crazy chicks, son.

Posted by: brownwood26

***Beggining of NC-17 Post***

Crazy chicks like to get facials (especially the older ones), swallow or get creampied... since I don't believe in seeding up random chicks, much less raw doggin' them, I make 'em "Say Aha" like Trey Songz.

***End of NC-17 Post***

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

RSH,

Two wrongs DO make a right. I'm glad we didn't get a chance to ruin Sanchez. And I don't think they get there w/ Campbell.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:28 AM
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Ditto on that, although I think Shanahan could have really done some things with him had he survived a season in the Zornderworld. Sanchez is a raw young talent. He makes stupid errors that you would expect of a rookie. Where he separates himself from Campbell, IMAO, is his accuracy, pocket awareness, and quicker release.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Don't our unis look enough like McD's costumes?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

About time we let the trainers go. How many guys have we had on IR the past few years?

Posted by: crashinghero | January 27, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

ugh, don't bring up the Campbell "bullet-time" release...

I can hear the Six-Million-Dollar Man sound (also used for the TV Hulk & the new Never Ending Pancakes at IHOP) now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 27, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"...Bradford with the #4 pick in his mock draft... how would it really be for the "Redskins" to draft an American-Indian?"


The redskins draft a Native American?

Isn't there a pun lodged in that concept?

It would be like if the head of the KKK was named Huge Blackman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

LOL Red...well played.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Count me in the No category on octamom. To para-quote family guy "hotdog/hallway"

Posted by: alex35332 | January 27, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow this is awesome news. I've been wanting this for years! These guys sucked, there's always way to many tweaks and pulls and exhausted oxygen suckers. Good move Shanahan. Good move.

Posted by: REXskins | January 27, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"...the new Never Ending Pancakes at IHOP..."


IHOP?

I'm a Denny's man myself.

Waffle House is depressing.

Shoney's is populated by fat people who show up at the breakfast buffet in the morning, and then graze all day.

Something is utterly gay about Friendly's, so I don't eat there.

But my grandma does.

That's where she goes to get her facial.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The redskins draft a Native American?

Isn't there a pun lodged in that concept?

It would be like if the head of the KKK was named Huge Blackman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Google "William Henry Lone Star Dietz"

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Aside from their hostesses, IHOP is on point... the best pancakes you can grub if you didn't get them at home.

And they have scrapple.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

From footballsfuture.com

Carlos Rogers, Washington Redskins (29) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Though he’s had a couple poor games, Rogers has strung together a very nice season this year. He’s been targeted only 61 times this year, which is a distant second only to Nnamdi Asomugha among corners who have played at least 75% of their team’s snaps. Rogers is a pretty good cover corner, but finished the season in the team’s doghouse. He does a nice job of contesting passes and is rarely caught completely out of position. DeAngelo Hall on the other side arguably had a better season this year, but Rogers was not very far behind. With Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter able to turn loose and increase the pressure on the quarterback, Rogers should be able to become a little more aggressive to force turnovers, something he did not do at all this season. It’s tough to say what Washington thinks of Rogers and whether they’d be willing to match his asking price on a long-term extension. He’ll most likely be given a Restricted FA offer.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Count me in the No category on octamom. To para-quote family guy "hotdog/hallway"

Posted by: alex35332 | January 27, 2010 8:51 AM


LOL, Alex. But as a guy who used to run thru MILFs on the regular, I can tell you that the increase in C-sections in recent years has helped preserve a more than acceptable "fit" for the purposes we're discussing.

Wait, why am I trying to be PC about this?

To sum it up, if you bang a MILF nowadays, your dick will fit and fit nicely.

There, I said it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Rogers has strung together a very nice season this year.

Rogers is a pretty good cover corner.

Its like being a weatherperson, you don't have to be even remotely close to accurate, and still have a job........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"IHOP is on point... the best pancakes you can grub..."

Naw, man, Perkins has the best pancakes.

And they have scrapple, too.

Not that I eat it.

I'm a eggs, potatoes, and bacon man.

As for mrsmoe, she likes sausage--in the morning or at night.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

on the way out i wonder if the training staff pulled any hammy's?

Posted by: Burrasta1 | January 27, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, you must stop this vile talk. Don't you know that there are women who post on this blog?

Lmao @ the new XXX Wednesdays... sticking to the "hump day" theme.


Everybody: Go get your fuc_ing hump on!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Iupati making an impression in Mobile
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 27, 2010 9:02 AM ET

One of the most buzzed about players during Senior Bowl week thus far is a 325-pound interior lineman. Idaho's Mike Iupati must be doing something right to get so much attention at an oft-overlooked position.

A sample of the love being thrown his way:

Former Ravens/Browns scout Daniel Jeremiah: [Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl. Rare size, strength and quickness. Sticks out like a sore thumb."

Greg A. Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: "[The Packers] were very, very high on Idaho G Mike Iupati, maybe even a good possibility when they pick at No. 23. But he won't. If people overlooked Iupati before this week, they haven't now . . . He's a darn good player and is screaming up draft boards. 35-inch arms don't hurt."

ESPN.com: Iuputi has confirmed his spot as the best guard in the draft.

60 Minutes did a fantastic piece on football in American Samoa a few weeks back. Iuputi, who moved to the United States when he was 14, will be the latest to carry on the tiny island's proud tradition. Here's the video if you missed it. (And have a lot of time to kill.)

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Whoever they hire can't be worse then this crew. I've never seen a team with more lingering hammy, calf, and muscle issues. Springs for 3 seasons couldn't get on the field, he goes to New England and plays 12 games, Jason Taylor 16 games, these guys just didn't do their jobs, good riddance.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think they have Perkins in the DMV. If it's local only down there then I don't doubt it.

The local diners have the best food sometimes.
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I could actually deal with Carlos Rogers biting on double moves the way he does IF he caught some picks. Same with Laron if he made more game changing plays.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, TWISI. So much for the Skins grabbing him up in the 2nd round...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

springs was, to me, more of a 'want-to' issue than an injury issue....taylor had a bizarre injury, can't fault him for that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think they have Perkins in the DMV. If it's local only down there then I don't doubt it.

The local diners have the best food sometimes.
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I could actually deal with Carlos Rogers biting on double moves the way he does IF he caught some picks. Same with Laron if he made more game changing plays.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 9:20 AM |

Red,

They have a Perkins in Frederick MD, but I do agree that diners in this area have the best breakfast food. Woodside Deli in Germantown is awesome it's a diner and a deli all wrapped in one.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"Iupati making an impression in Mobile"

"[Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl"


Yesterday and last week, we posted that we'd prefer Iupati over Okung, and folks howled.

It looks like the point has been made: the skins would do well to snag Iupati and give him the right guard starting spot.

Iupati can play all line spots, has size, and can move.

The team shouldn't wait until the end of the 1st round to get him: take him early.

A right tackle could come in round 2.

That's two rookies starting on the right side.

Now the question is, would you be willing to trade away a future pick to get a RFA like M McNeil to play left tackle?

To that idea, we say yes as it would render the team with a much improved line at the three spots--left tackle, right guard, right tackle--that were the worst all last season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Any word on the fate of Downtown Morocco Brown?

Red/Moe - There is a Perkins at exit 133 in VA, like such as.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 27, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

McNiel has stenosis. The same condition that is most likely going to end Chris Samiels career. You really have to wonder why teams let these tackles go. A lot of the time they know something you don't. Tackles are still pretty cheap so there is no reaosn to dump a perfectly good left tackle.

As far as Iupati is concerned I'd still rather have Okung in the first and get Asamoaugh in the second. I see a much furthur drop off in talent between Russell Okung and a second round left tackle than Iupati and a second round guard.

Who is the better group:

Russell Okung/John Asamoagh
Mike Iupati/Jason Fox

Or

Russell Okung/Vladimir Ducssse
Ciron Black/Mike Iupati

I'm sticking with my guns and saying Okung!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Russell Okung/Vladimir Ducssse

amen, pa....make it happen captain....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It's about time the Skins fired the strength and conditioning coaches. They should have been let go last year...

Posted by: siris | January 27, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, PA. Then get LeFever in the 4th. Championship!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"As far as Iupati is concerned I'd still rather have Okung in the first and get Asamoaugh in the second."

The inside baseball is that the chiefs will snag Okung.

So who do you pick then?

Iupati, that's who.

And as for McNeil, that's a situation I forgot about.

If there are no other choices for left tackle, don't be surprised if the team crosses it's fingers and gives some unheralded dude with upside a shot to start at the position.

Or: maybe L Jones gets another chance to prove himself to be inadequate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

" the new XXX Wednesdays... sticking to the "hump day" theme."

Thanks for clarifying. I thought I'd lost my way on the interwebs.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 27, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"Iupati making an impression in Mobile"

"[Iuputi is the] most likely Pro Bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Senior Bowl"


Yesterday and last week, we posted that we'd prefer Iupati over Okung, and folks howled.

It looks like the point has been made: the skins would do well to snag Iupati and give him the right guard starting spot.

Iupati can play all line spots, has size, and can move.

The team shouldn't wait until the end of the 1st round to get him: take him early.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I love Iupati, bu I think it's a reach to take him at #4. If we could trade the pick and drop down to mid-1st rd, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The inside baseball is that the chiefs will snag Okung.

So who do you pick then?

Iupati, that's who.

And as for McNeil, that's a situation I forgot about.

If there are no other choices for left tackle, don't be surprised if the team crosses it's fingers and gives some unheralded dude with upside a shot to start at the position.

Or: maybe L Jones gets another chance to prove himself to be inadequate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 9:53 AM |

We pick before the Chiefs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Kiper seems to be in man-love with Iupati

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"We pick before the Chiefs."

I stand corrected.

But my greater point is when the choice is between to great players, I want the versitile guy.

Iupati can be a center, guard, and tackle if need be.

And when you look at the skins' line, well, the needs are greater than having one great guy who does one thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, PA. Then get LeFever in the 4th. Championship!

Russell Okung/Vladimir Ducssse

amen, pa....make it happen captain....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


Yes, and Yes. I've got the Lefevour, think this guy could be a great value pick up in the mid-late rounds. His number are sick.

I was watching the practice on Monday and the Ducasse kid threw down this bro from Wisconsin, turned out the kid tore his acl. Anyways Ducasse looks legit. Still seems like a bit of a project but could be a beast given proper time and coaching.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Go easy on the Lupati talk. You're saying he's better than Okung so we should draft him, even though he's a guard that projects, with a stretch, at right tackle. So, we need a LT most desperately and you want us to draft the BPA, who is a guard... Did Vinny Cerrato just enter the building?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

piece on Ducasse in the local paper...

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2010/01/27/umass_lineman_blocks_out_the_anguish/

I'd post the body of the article, but then people would claim I was making it up, like they claim I make up the PFT pieces I post.....jerks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Go easy on the Lupati talk. You're saying he's better than Okung so we should draft him, even though he's a guard that projects, with a stretch, at right tackle. So, we need a LT most desperately and you want us to draft the BPA, who is a guard... Did Vinny Cerrato just enter the building?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I hear you rsh, but I have too much respect for Moe to throw the Vinny thing at him. I just disagree with him on use of #4 pick. If we can't trade back, we have to get the best LT in the draft. I'll set Shanny make that selection based on their scouting, and on how Shanny wants to run the O. I think there will be a strong OG selection available at #37.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I actually agree with RSH...

I'm excited about Iupati if and only if we take him in the 2nd round (which seems more and more unlikely) or in the mid to late 1st round (provided we trade down from #4 and get more picks). While he's shooting up draft boards, I doubt he'll enter the top 5.

When you're picking 4th overall, you've got to take the BEST player available, and I doubt that anyone on the board will be better than Okung at #4. Even though Iupati is thought to have the chance to be a great player, taking him 4th is a reach.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

piece on Ducasse in the local paper...

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2010/01/27/umass_lineman_blocks_out_the_anguish/

I'd post the body of the article, but then people would claim I was making it up, like they claim I make up the PFT pieces I post.....jerks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse
Wow, BTG, that's your best piece yet. You went overboard on the picture. Nice piece of reporting.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

thanks fred, its jerks like te/ls who claim that I make the pft stuff up, that just really piss me off....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Go easy on the Lupati talk. You're saying he's better than Okung so we should draft him, even though he's a guard that projects, with a stretch, at right tackle. So, we need a LT most desperately and you want us to draft the BPA, who is a guard... Did Vinny Cerrato just enter the building?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Thank you! I'm fine with going either QB or OL whatever Shanny wants but if he decides oline the only pick at #4 is Okung. Lupati was/is a guy with a second round grade that is impressing and may be working his way into the 1st round. He's nowhere near #4 overall worthy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

correction Iupati

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"...you've got to take the BEST player available, and I doubt that anyone on the board will be better than Okung at #4."


There's this kid named CJ Spiller.

Maybe you've never heard of him.

4.3 speed, running back, returner, slot receiver, and hard worker.

The teams that had the good sense to take linemen last year are looking at this guy.

And we're thinking this year like they did last year.

That's what really sucks about the way the team has been managed: now, we have to catch up in the draft and rebuild while others can add the kind of guys who break games open.

Guys like Spiller and McCluster are of great value in a league that values speed and dynamic playmaking ability.

But I guess we have to pass on Spiller like we passed on Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

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Nope. More importantly, does anyone here think Campbell could have led the Jets to the playoffs?
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Nope. But even more important do you guys realize you are comparing a rookie to a 5 year veteran??? And Sanchez was a much better QB at the end of the season.. Campbell is as bad today as it was 3 years ago... Ask the Jets and they expect Sanchez to only get better and lead the Jets to the Super Bowl in the coming years. Campbell??? Even his supporters call him mediocre.. and most think he will be lucky to make it as a backup somewhere in the coming future...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

But I guess we have to pass on Spiller like we passed on Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it sucks but they have a much shorter career than the linemen. That's why you build the line first. Linemen take 2-3 years to really start to gel. The QBs tend to take a year or 2 as well. But those RBs can come in from day one and wreak havoc. We already have receviers so we should build line this year. Draft QB this year or next year. Then draft that 4.3 running back in 2012. Then by 2013 we should be pretty freaking good as long as we don't let our defense fall apart. 2013-Line should be gellin like felons, our WRs will be in their 5th year, the new QB should be in his second or third year. The running back will be a rookie or possibly second year. That's firing all your guns at once. That my friends is a 3 year plan.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Nope. But even more important do you guys realize you are comparing a rookie to a 5 year veteran??? And Sanchez was a much better QB at the end of the season.. Campbell is as bad today as it was 3 years ago... Ask the Jets and they expect Sanchez to only get better and lead the Jets to the Super Bowl in the coming years. Campbell??? Even his supporters call him mediocre.. and most think he will be lucky to make it as a backup somewhere in the coming future...


Posted by: sovine08 | January 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't try to speak for the JC supporters. Mediocre? No, he is better than that. There are about 100 QB's in the league. I put JC about #20. He will be a starter next year, somewhere. Is he better than who we have on the current roster. Yes. So we shouldn't try to replace him until we have someone who will do a better job.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

thanks fred, its jerks like te/ls who claim that I make the pft stuff up, that just really piss me off....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse
Hey BTG, don't back down. When you see a good story, don't be intimidated by these other jerks. Let us get the news, as soon as you can find it. I for one have found your reporting to be ahead of the curve. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

And yes, I'm on board with tapping the ass of Octomom. Followed promptly by finishing in her hair and donkey punching her. That's how we do crazy chicks, son.

Posted by: brownwood26

Has it occurred to you that this makes you sound much more disturbed than the "crazy chicks" you want to degrade and abuse?

Posted by: FITS | January 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003


Not sure how much he "led" the Jets to the playoffs when they were the #1 rushing team and #1 in defense. Pretty sure they went to the playoffs "in spite of" Sanchez rather than "because of". Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If Okung is gone then you get Spiller. (I was on the Berry train but he's a SS from what I hear) I think it's crazy to reach for a long-shot just because he plays at a position of need.

If you're able to get a linemen in the first then you hope that McCluster is available in the second and take him.

It's really that simple.

It's not like the 'Skins draft will be damned if they can't get a PROJECTED first round linemen in the first... no need to reach.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Has it occurred to you that this makes you sound much more disturbed than the "crazy chicks" you want to degrade and abuse?

Posted by: FITS | January 27, 2010 10:52 AM


Here's the difference though:

Me--talking sh*t on a blog
Octomom--dropping multiple kids for no other reason but to land herself a reality show

It's all fun and games until talk becomes action.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

At #4, QB will be the pick. In 2nd round, a RT will be selected. JC17 comes back to take the pounding until a longterm LT is selected in 2011. Bradford is too good to pass up at #4, and they know that JC will not get a contract extension and does not want to be here. There is no guarantee that Skins will be picking in top 5 next year. They must take the QB this year with this opportunity.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

apparently there is a picture floating around of Terrence Cody at the Sr. Bowl, minus his shirt. Apparently he makes last year's Andre Smith photo's look like Andre is an a-cup.....this guy is falling faster than Buick stock after Tiger went a-courting.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

There is no guarantee that Skins will be picking in top 5 next year. They must take the QB this year with this opportunity.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM


There is if they don't address LT this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow Greg...two one-liners in one post? Don't hurt 'em Hammer!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

No chance. The got there despite having Sanchez. Its amazing what can be accomplished if you have the best defense in the league, 3 first round/Pro Bowl picks on the O-line, and a top running game.

Posted by: dcwun | January 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Scott Campbell was considered one of Vinny Cerrato's top lieutenants and played an active role in the Redskins' recent drafts. He appears to be playing an active role this week, as well."

I find this comment to be deeply disturbing, as our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years (neatly co-inciding with Scott Campbell's tenure). Vinnie may have been the trigger man, but this guy was the one helping him rank and evaluate players leading up to the draft.

I realize your can't turn over your scouting dept in the middle of the offseason, but I do hope that entire group goes the way of the strength and conditioning staff immediately after the draft...a fresh perspective is needed there.

Anyway, hopefully Shanny and Allen will take everything they hear from this guy with a big grain of salt!

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

apparently there is a picture floating around of Terrence Cody at the Sr. Bowl, minus his shirt. Apparently he makes last year's Andre Smith photo's look like Andre is an a-cup.....this guy is falling faster than Buick stock after Tiger went a-courting.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM

Saw the pic. The guy is in serious need of a manzier. In addition to eating like a slob I think he must take estrogen to get those saggy bags.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 27, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Any word on who they're looking at to replace the strength and cond. staff? More Broncos? Rich Tuten (he's got a rep for working the players hard-good thing)? The way guys are leaving McDaniels staff I wouldn't be surprised. Sounds like he's trying to be Belichek (without the SB rings).

Posted by: skinswest | January 27, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse


There is if they don't address LT this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Right because taking a QB at 4 means there is absolutely no other way to address LT and Shanahan is dumb enough to go into next year with Levi Jones, Stephon Heyer, and D'Anthony Batiste as his tackle options........

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

John Clayton's top 10 Super Bowl plays ever does not have John Riggins run on it.

He should be thrown in jail.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 27, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

If Okung is gone then you get Spiller. (I was on the Berry train but he's a SS from what I hear) I think it's crazy to reach for a long-shot just because he plays at a position of need.

If you're able to get a linemen in the first then you hope that McCluster is available in the second and take him.

It's really that simple.

It's not like the 'Skins draft will be damned if they can't get a PROJECTED first round linemen in the first... no need to reach.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

You have to keep in mind that safety is often different in some college schemes. Remember Landry was a free safety but played close to the line in college. That means that he translates to a Strong Safety in the NFL. Berry plays in coverage a lot more and he has 4.3 speed so he translates to either a CB or a FS. The guy covers well and is a ballhawk. Berry can also hit. That's why he is viewed as a once a decade type prospect. I'd be willing to bet he could play either safety position and even cornerback. I'd draft him if Okung is gone no qustions asked.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Terrence Cody needs a boob job.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"I could actually deal with Carlos Rogers biting on double moves the way he does IF he caught some picks."

I've said it on here before, I really hope the re-sign the guy.

He's a starter in the NFL. He can cover, he can hit/tackle, he just has hands made of bricks.

I think letting him go would be a big mistake.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"I find this comment to be deeply disturbing, as our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years."

Yes, worst at scouting other teams.

I think what the Redskins have done in the drafts when they have had picks have been pretty good, they just trade thiers picks away like candy and that was one of many of Vinny's flaws.

I can't complain about who they have actually drafted. I can complain about FA's they have signed.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

red, looks like he got a boob job, he needs to have a reduction.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think what the Redskins have done in the drafts when they have had picks have been pretty good, they just trade thiers picks away like candy and that was one of many of Vinny's flaws.

I can't complain about who they have actually drafted. I can complain about FA's they have signed.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes all the mid round cuts from last year and Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith agree.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

1st round: OT R Okung or Shanahan's QB of choice
(Bradford for me, but Clausen did just put together the best Junior year of any pro-style QB in college history)

2nd round: OT C Brown, OT V Ducasse, OT S Capers, OT J Fox, or DT T Cody (only if Okung is taken in 1st)

I would love for us to pick up 2 starting O-linemen in the first two rounds but if Shanahan sees his QB of the future at #4 we have to buy into that. And if we get Okung in the first I'd be intrigued to see Terrence Cody (6'6" 350lb) line up at NT in a 3-4 defense, with Haynesworth (6'5" 350lb) line up at DE next to him. Cody is the prototypical Nose in a 3-4; he takes up a huge amount of space and ties up multiple blockers. Haynesworth would have a little more freedom at DE to penetrate the backfield and disrupt plays. He also has the quickness to play end in a 3-4. Our down-linemen could be Haynesworth(DE), Terrence Cody (NT), Phillip Daniels (DE). With Golston, Jarmon, Alexander as DE subs and Griffin as the main NT sub. London Fletcher would probably lead the league in tackles with that D-line. I would love to see a team try to run against that front.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | January 27, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Right because taking a QB at 4 means there is absolutely no other way to address LT and Shanahan is dumb enough to go into next year with Levi Jones, Stephon Heyer, and D'Anthony Batiste as his tackle options........

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:20 AM


Just like elite QBs don't grow on trees, neither do franchise LTs. Bradford is far from a lock to be the answer at QB and I'd be willing to bet you could get a guy just as good and maybe better if you wait until next year to address it. But you're talking about taking a guy at #4 that isn't going to play at all in '10 and pass on a guy that potentially can help solidify the line right away.

Plus this year isn't going to be a great one for free agents. The pickings will be slimmer because of the uncapped year and true difference makers at LT typically don't see the open market anyway. The only way to truly upgrade the O-line is to do it thru the draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes all the mid round cuts from last year and Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith agree.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You have no concept of who other teams draft do you? Overall our team does pretty well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on taking cody in the 2nd....showing up fat and out of shape for the Sr. Bowl might just be the warning that we needed to stay away from this cat.....4th round...sure, can't hurt..but no way in the 2nd.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If Cody got a boob job then those tits wouldn't sag like that. Homie has boobs like a 50 year old woman who was a perky DD when she was 22...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Anybody remember this post?:

October 13th 2009 J Reid
Realistically, Help on the O-Line Isn't Available

Insider readers have sent a ton of e-mail expressing their frustration that the team has not signed any free-agent offensive linemen despite its injury problems in that area.

Many expressed anger and confusion when the Redskins re-signed running back Anthony Alridge to fill the roster spot that opened when starting right guard Randy Thomas suffered a season-ending triceps injury in Week 2 against the St. Louis Rams. And from what I've read on my BlackBerry in the last 30 hours or so, fans are downright furious about the apparent lack of movement after left tackle Chris Samuels, the team's best lineman, suffered a neck injury in the 20-17 loss to the Carolina Panthers. Samuels has been ruled out of Sunday's game against the Kansas City Chiefs at FedExField.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, are definitely susceptible to criticism for an offseason strategy that failed to adequately address the offensive line, which the team identified as its weakest unit during an internal self-evaluation. But as for their decision not to pursue a free-agent lineman during the season, that's much more understandable.

The reality is there isn't much out there, league sources said. Usually by Week 5, anyone who can play is on a roster somewhere, and we're now in Week 6. The Redskins have done their due diligence in reviewing their scouting reports on the guys on practice squads and those still on the street, I've been told, and Cerrato reached the conclusion it didn't make sense to sign a lineman just for the sake of doing so, which is why he brought back Alridge to be the fifth running back on the 53-man roster.

Look, if the Redskins continue along their current path, we'll likely see a coaching change and sweeping roster changes. But for right now, there's just not much that can be done to bolster the offensive line. From left to right, here's the expected starting unit for Sunday's game: LT Stephon Heyer, LG Derrick Dockery, C Casey Rabach, RG Will Montgomery/Chad Rinehart, RT Mike Williams. T D'Anthony Batiste and whoever doesn't start at right guard also likely would be active against the Chiefs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Coach Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell, even Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would have been hard-pressed to make things happen in the West Coast offense with that bunch.

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I laughed when I read it when Jones and Runyan and Kendal were all sitting at home. A week later Levi was signed and became the second best lineman on our team behind Dockery instantly. Cerrato was such a joke and so is the "league source" that tricked da mayor on this one.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on taking cody in the 2nd....showing up fat and out of shape for the Sr. Bowl might just be the warning that we needed to stay away from this cat.....4th round...sure, can't hurt..but no way in the 2nd.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

For real, bean. Is there a Taco Bell or Hardees on Alabama's campus or what? What are they feeding those guys down there? Too many "4th meals" and/or Thickburgers for Cody and Andre Smith for sure...

Posted by: mattylight | January 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Forget Spiller, you almost have to start Portis and Betts unless they are unable to play due to injury ... they need a corner back. Trade you pal Crash Cooley for a running back first. They offensive linemen first, corner backs (maybe safety), AND A damned kicker!

Posted by: periculum | January 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If Cody got a boob job then those tits wouldn't sag like that. Homie has boobs like a 50 year old woman who was a perky DD when she was 22...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

LOL. If he keeps this up he's a shoe-in to be a contestant on "Biggest Loser" next year...

Posted by: mattylight | January 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

You have no concept of who other teams draft do you? Overall our team does pretty well.

On what do this base this? I don't see it. Jerry Jones picked names out of a hat and did better.

Posted by: periculum | January 27, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes all the mid round cuts from last year and Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith agree.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You have no concept of who other teams draft do you? Overall our team does pretty well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

So you agreed with the drafting of:

2009 5 22(158) Redskins Cody Glenn OLB Nebraska
Pick Note from Minnesota
2009 6 13(186) Redskins Robert Henson ILB TCU
2009 7 12(221) Redskins Eddie Williams FB Idaho

when Duke, Jamon, and some other decent oline prospects were on the board? A couple of 7th round gems and Orakpo is all Vinny has to show for his 15 picks in the last two drafts. Davis showed some promise this year (still retarded to use a 2nd rounder on a backup TE) and Thomas and Kelly flashed like they may be serviceable. But they were 2nd freaking rounders they should be more than serviceable by their 3rd year. Maybe it was coaching, we'll see, but to pretend that a regime that completely ignored depth and needs for drafting the "best available" and has 1 great pick (Orakpo), 2 impressive surprises (Horton/Mitchell), and 4 maybes (Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Tryon) and nothing else to show for 15 picks and was plugging major holes with street free agents drafted well is straight tart.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is known for liking good offensive lines. No QB in this draft he already has Colt and JC that should be sufficient for now.

Posted by: periculum | January 27, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Forgot all about these people.... They should be FIRED... anybody seen big Al lately?

He needs to join the Orakpo/Carter strength & conditioning program!

Posted by: tony325 | January 27, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan did grab up our best guard Schlereth, helped Elway win a couple of Superbowls.

Posted by: periculum | January 27, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Terrence Cody: "Wow Brian! Have you lost weight? You gotta tell me your secret!"

Brian Griffin: "Here's a hint. Put down the fork! FACE!"

Posted by: mattylight | January 27, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I laughed when I read it when Jones and Runyan and Kendal were all sitting at home. A week later Levi was signed and became the second best lineman on our team behind Dockery instantly. Cerrato was such a joke and so is the "league source" that tricked da mayor on this one.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse
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Not really. Kendall? You mean Left Guard Kendall? And Runyan was signed by San Diego to be their backup RIGHT Tackle. Neither of those would help us in the LT department.

Laugh at the FO for cutting Jeremy Bridges over BMW and not picking up Levi Jones earlier over D'Anthony Batiste, but the post you quoted was dead on. Levi Jones may have turned into our second best lineman, but that's not really a complement.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"....anybody seen big Al Hanyesworth lately?"

Yeah, I saw him and Mike Williams earlier this morning.

They were chasing Ronald McDonald to get the cheeseburgers he had stuffed in his pockets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

no thanks on taking cody in the 2nd....showing up fat and out of shape for the Sr. Bowl might just be the warning that we needed to stay away from this cat.....4th round...sure, can't hurt..but no way in the 2nd.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

For real, bean. Is there a Taco Bell or Hardees on Alabama's campus or what? What are they feeding those guys down there? Too many "4th meals" and/or Thickburgers for Cody and Andre Smith for sure...

Posted by: mattylight | January 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's the Southern home cooked meals man. You know why southern comfort food is so good? Because it's all cooked with lard. Bojangles probably helps a lot too. Cody and Smith could probably eat an entire Bojangles inventory in one sitting.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

terrence cody has Moobs!

Posted by: Burrasta1 | January 27, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"....anybody seen big Al Hanyesworth lately?"

Yeah, I saw him and Mike Williams earlier this morning.

They were chasing Ronald McDonald to get the cheeseburgers he had stuffed in his pockets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse
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Other eyewitnesses confirmed that the floppy shoes limited his mobility.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

This dude has been getting a lot of love this past week as being stout at POA, and showing some explosiveness. Could be a mid to late round option as a 3-4 DE, or strong side DE in 4-3.

Alex Carrington DE College: ARKANSAS STATE

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 278 lbs

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

You have no concept of who other teams draft do you? Overall our team does pretty well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, PA, normally I agree with a lot of your stuff, but you are off-base here. Please list the difference makers (pro bowl types), mid-round gems (quality starters), and late round steals that this team has drafted in the past 9 years?

Going back to 2001, I'll give you ST21, Cooley, and Orakpo as pro bowl types, and C. Rogers as a quality starter, and after that it's just a bunch of guys. I think we should expect more out of ten years of drafting.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years (neatly co-inciding with Scott Campbell's tenure). Vinnie may have been the trigger man, but this guy was the one helping him rank and evaluate players leading up to the draft.

I realize your can't turn over your scouting dept in the middle of the offseason, but I do hope that entire group goes the way of the strength and conditioning staff immediately after the draft...a fresh perspective is needed there.

Anyway, hopefully Shanny and Allen will take everything they hear from this guy with a big grain of salt!

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse
I dont agree with you, PDX. Our scouting staff came up with some good late round picks and some good undrafted free agent signings. We had some good players on our practice squad, especially in 2008, that were signed onto other team's regular rosters. I think they are doing some good work. It is an area that is hard to track from the outside. I think we let Shanny and BA make that choice.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

If Cody got a boob job then those tits wouldn't sag like that. Homie has boobs like a 50 year old woman who was a perky DD when she was 22...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

LOL. If he keeps this up he's a shoe-in to be a contestant on "Biggest Loser" next year...

Posted by: mattylight | January 27, 2010 11:50 AM
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In boob talk, doesn't shoe-in mean the boobs hang so low that they have to move them out of the way when they are putting on their shoes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

You have to keep in mind that safety is often different in some college schemes. Remember Landry was a free safety but played close to the line in college. That means that he translates to a Strong Safety in the NFL. Berry plays in coverage a lot more and he has 4.3 speed so he translates to either a CB or a FS. The guy covers well and is a ballhawk. Berry can also hit. That's why he is viewed as a once a decade type prospect. I'd be willing to bet he could play either safety position and even cornerback. I'd draft him if Okung is gone no qustions asked.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse
Yah, PA, I could see that happening if the draft ahead of us went Suh, Okung, McCoy, and we had no one willing to give us value for our #4 pick.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

mmm... lard...

I would enjoy a Bojangles meal for lunch today, Bigfoot. Alas, Bojangles has confined its operations to the Deep South... not one restaurant west of the Mississippi, let alone the Rocky Mountains. Ah, well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes all the mid round cuts from last year and Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith agree.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse
Our 5th round selection last year is playing in the super bowl this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd be intrigued to see Terrence Cody (6'6" 350lb) line up at NT in a 3-4 defense, with Haynesworth (6'5" 350lb) line up at DE next to him. Cody is the prototypical Nose in a 3-4; he takes up a huge amount of space and ties up multiple blockers. Our down-linemen could be Haynesworth(DE), Terrence Cody (NT), Phillip Daniels (DE).

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | January 27, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

No thanks on Cody... if you want to look at a NT in the second round, the Williams kid from Tennesse is getting a lot of good press, and isn't a huge fat-@ss like Cody (between Cody and AH, that d-line couldn't stay on the field for more than two snaps without taking an oxygen break). Of course, Williams may not fall that far, so you can always go back to picking an OT or OG at that spot instead instead. Not sold on Daniels as a 3-4 starter at his age, either...think it would probalby be one of the younger DT on the roster instead.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Bigfoot, I think you solved the mystery (such as) of Terrence Cody's weight gain: Bojangles just opened in Tuscaloosa (nearby Northport) this past September.

So he was probably going there really frequently, as you will sometimes when you fall in love with a new restaurant.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20090909/NEWS/909089920?Title=2-more-Bojangles-eateries-planned

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Bigfoot, I think you solved the mystery (such as) of Terrence Cody's weight gain: Bojangles just opened in Tuscaloosa (nearby Northport) this past September.

So he was probably going there really frequently, as you will sometimes when you fall in love with a new restaurant.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20090909/NEWS/909089920?Title=2-more-Bojangles-eateries-planned

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Case closed.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

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Nope. More importantly, does anyone here think Campbell could have led the Jets to the playoffs?
Posted by: RedSkinHead
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Nope. But even more important do you guys realize you are comparing a rookie to a 5 year veteran??? And Sanchez was a much better QB at the end of the season.. Campbell is as bad today as it was 3 years ago... Ask the Jets and they expect Sanchez to only get better and lead the Jets to the Super Bowl in the coming years. Campbell??? Even his supporters call him mediocre.. and most think he will be lucky to make it as a backup somewhere in the coming future...
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Sanchez vs Campbell

Rookie - 5 one-year experience
New system - Old system
New coach - Old coach
New OC - Old OC
No excuses - Millions of excuses
Rookie HC - From ROOKIES to HALL-OF-FAME

One more day of Campbell as a skins' QB is like that parrot in the commercial:
"Another day, another day, I can't take it, I can't take it anymore"

Posted by: hock1 | January 27, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So you agreed with the drafting of:

2009 5 22(158) Redskins Cody Glenn OLB Nebraska
Pick Note from Minnesota
2009 6 13(186) Redskins Robert Henson ILB TCU
2009 7 12(221) Redskins Eddie Williams FB Idaho

when Duke, Jamon, and some other decent oline prospects were on the board? A couple of 7th round gems and Orakpo is all Vinny has to show for his 15 picks in the last two drafts. Davis showed some promise this year (still retarded to use a 2nd rounder on a backup TE) and Thomas and Kelly flashed like they may be serviceable. But they were 2nd freaking rounders they should be more than serviceable by their 3rd year. Maybe it was coaching, we'll see, but to pretend that a regime that completely ignored depth and needs for drafting the "best available" and has 1 great pick (Orakpo), 2 impressive surprises (Horton/Mitchell), and 4 maybes (Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Tryon) and nothing else to show for 15 picks and was plugging major holes with street free agents drafted well is straight tart.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse
zjfr, I think you need to differentiate between scouting staff and GM. Vinny made some stupid selections, when he sould/should have selcted 1-2 OL. But that doesn't mean he was given bad scouting reports. Blame Vinny, not the scouting dept.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Our 5th round selection last year is playing in the super bowl this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If by playing, you mean sitting on the bench as a backup MLB (he's been in on 4 tackles for the season thus far), then that's true...but good for him, he's likely to get a ring in his first year in the league by virtue of not lasting through training camp with us.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years (neatly co-inciding with Scott Campbell's tenure). Vinnie may have been the trigger man, but this guy was the one helping him rank and evaluate players leading up to the draft.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse
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Samuels, Arrington, Cooley, Jansen, Sean Taylor, Rocky Mac, Dockery, Smoot, and Orakpo were all great draft picks, and Davis, Horton don't look to be slouches, either.

Then you have a good batch of players which get themselves on the field or provide depth, such as Rogers, Campbell, Blades, Golston, and Landry. Plus Thomas, Kelly, and Marko Mitchell are still young enough to become something with a real offense.

Looking at the above, I was always frustrated we didn't draft more, opting to trade picks for Jason Taylor, TJ Duckett, or Trung effing Candidate

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

***repost from yesterday****

Checkout Terrance "Twin Mounts" Cody

http://deadspin.com/5457559/nfl-scouts-detect-two-large-flaws-in-terrence-codys-game

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 5:58 PM

As for Octomom...I'd take her out for a steak dinner, hit it like the angry fist of god, and then never all her again.

She might be more of a vapid hore than Paris Hilton, if that’s even possible.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

**repost from yesterday, because I can**

Draft
1. Okung OT
2. Iupati/ Ducasse/ Asamoah OG
4. LeFevour QB
5. Jamar Chaney/Boris Lee/PatAngerer MLB
7. Trindon Holliday KR/PR

UFAs Targets
Karlos Dansby OLB
Chester Taylor RB
Vince Wilfork NT
Aubrayo Franklin NT
Dunta Robinson CB
Will Allen FS
Chester Pitts OG
Dwan Edwards 3-4 DE

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2010 3:05 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

zjfr, I think you need to differentiate between scouting staff and GM. Vinny made some stupid selections, when he should have selcted 1-2 OL. But that doesn't mean he was given bad scouting reports. Blame Vinny, not the scouting dept.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Not try to pick on you, fredifritz, but unless Vinnie was pulling names out of hat (possible, I suppose), then someone was helping him determine his "BPA" list, and that had to be the scouting dept, did it not?

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Good post Mattsound

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10026/1031228-42.stm


buddy Morris, possible SC coach. Pitt has had some pretty hoss players come out under his time their with Wanny.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson is a backup guard. He's a Chad Rhinehart by a different name. We didn't need another Chad Rhinehart. We need a guard with starting potential. That's why we didn't draft the backup guard that was projected to go in the 5th round. We drafted the linebackers instead because we needed special teams guys and depth at linebacker. They weren't decent oline prospects. They were projected as backups.


Devin Thomas was projected to be a late bloomer. All the scouts knew this and most of them put a blurb about it in their reports. Evaluating him right now is straight tart.

Your analysis of the draft is very shortsighted and chock full of hindsight bias. You also fail to compare our draft classes to anyone else's. When we say we draft well we mean we draft well compared to other teams. So don't sit there and point out all of our mistakes we know what thye are. How about you try to persuade us that Pittsburgh drafts better?

In 2008

R1 Mendenhall ok this year but broken shoulder in rookie year.

R2 Limas Sweed - bust, already been replaced by a rookie third rounder.

R3 Bruce Davis cut

R4 Tony Hills - Hasn't played in an NFL game.

R5 Dennis Dixon - could be good

R6 Ryan Mundy - cut then resigned

R6 Mike Humpal - cut

Go ahead and tell us who you would have picked unstead in 2008 in every round and we'll tell you why you are wrong. Then go ahead and tell us who you would have picked in 2009 and we'll repeat the exercise.


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Instead of looking at a safety in the draft, I think Washington should re-sign Carlos Rogers and move him to free safety. Then move Landry to strong safety and let Tryon, Barnes and Westbrook fight it out for the number two corner spot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

SORRY its not a link to man tits which seem to be in high demand today for some reason. Misguided hump day, early off season slump.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Samuels, Arrington, Cooley, Jansen, Sean Taylor, Rocky Mac, Dockery, Smoot, and Orakpo were all great draft picks, and Davis, Horton don't look to be slouches, either.

Then you have a good batch of players which get themselves on the field or provide depth, such as Rogers, Campbell, Blades, Golston, and Landry. Plus Thomas, Kelly, and Marko Mitchell are still young enough to become something with a real offense.

Looking at the above, I was always frustrated we didn't draft more, opting to trade picks for Jason Taylor, TJ Duckett, or Trung effing Candidate

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt, I'll agree to disagree that RockyMac, Dockery, and Smoot were "great picks" - servicable, but not great. I wasn't including Samuels, Jansen, or Arrington in my analysis because they were drafted before this Scott Campbell guy came on board (in 2001). The guys "getting themselves on the field" may have as much to do with our lack of better options as it does there qualifications.

I am optomistic about Davis and Mitchell as well, but can't anoint them without seeing some more production on the field. I also like Horton, but he's limited - a good role player, but not the answer we are looking for in a starting free safety.

So in terms of finding quality starting material for our team, I think my argument against the scouting dept is still valid. But again, we can agree to disagree...

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand wanting to move Carlos Rogers to FS.

Rogers in coverage = Landry in coverage

These are the same two dudes who were in agreement that there is nothing that you can do about double moves during the Saints game.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

At #4, QB will be the pick. In 2nd round, a RT will be selected. JC17 comes back to take the pounding until a longterm LT is selected in 2011. Bradford is too good to pass up at #4, and they know that JC will not get a contract extension and does not want to be here. There is no guarantee that Skins will be picking in top 5 next year. They must take the QB this year with this opportunity.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM |
makes reasonable sense

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

At #4, QB will be the pick. In 2nd round, a RT will be selected. JC17 comes back to take the pounding until a longterm LT is selected in 2011. Bradford is too good to pass up at #4, and they know that JC will not get a contract extension and does not want to be here. There is no guarantee that Skins will be picking in top 5 next year. They must take the QB this year with this opportunity.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM |
makes reasonable sense

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 1:18 PM |

Don't be surprised if Levi Jones is retained but moved to RT.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

At #4, QB will be the pick. In 2nd round, a RT will be selected. JC17 comes back to take the pounding until a longterm LT is selected in 2011. Bradford is too good to pass up at #4, and they know that JC will not get a contract extension and does not want to be here. There is no guarantee that Skins will be picking in top 5 next year. They must take the QB this year with this opportunity.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 27, 2010 11:01 AM |
makes reasonable sense

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 1:18 PM

Unless of course Bradford's shoulder isn't completely healed, in which case it would be yet another splash pick without thought.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead and tell us who you would have picked unstead in 2008 in every round and we'll tell you why you are wrong. Then go ahead and tell us who you would have picked in 2009 and we'll repeat the exercise.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 1:09 PM
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I think you make a good point. I would argue that the deficiencies in the Redskins draft picks were a) picked out of BPA instead of need, b) didn't get the young guys on the field after they made the roster. Zorn wouldn't play guys so they could get experience, which I blame on the late development of the triplets. You could also argue that it is hard to find playing time for Davis when your starting tight end was doing a pretty good job already.

I would also argue that the team chose some guys with known deficiencies but didn't have the ability to overcome those deficiencies either through player development or tailoring the game plan to highlight a particular player's strengths. I give you the deep routes Kelly was running as a prime example. Here you have the slowest receiver on your roster trying to beat a guy deep while a faster guy with height (Marko Mitchell) sat on the bench gathering rust. The bottom line with any draft pick is they have to play in order to get better and if you don't play them, you look like a moron for drafting them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Not try to pick on you, fredifritz, but unless Vinnie was pulling names out of hat (possible, I suppose), then someone was helping him determine his "BPA" list, and that had to be the scouting dept, did it not?


Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse
We are dealing with VC here, and his phobia for drafting OL. No telling how scouts rated various OL if we refuse to draft any.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Appearing on ESPN’s First Take this morning, Patriots cornerback Shawn Springs intimated he may ponder retirement this offseason.

“Maybe,” Springs said. “No, no. I actually feel like I can still play a lot. I don’t yet. I don’t know yet. I’m taking my time. I think every player should try to do that, take their time.”

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Our 5th round selection last year is playing in the super bowl this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If by playing, you mean sitting on the bench as a backup MLB (he's been in on 4 tackles for the season thus far), then that's true...but good for him, he's likely to get a ring in his first year in the league by virtue of not lasting through training camp with us.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what your expectations are from a 5th rd pick. Mine are that SOME 5-7 rd picks will make roster, and perform on teams, and serve as backup to starting 22. Expecting starters is reaching IMO. If you get a starter, that's gravy. So we thought we could park Cody Glenn on our practice squad, Indy liked him and stole him from us. That happens. My point is that our 5th rd pick was good enough to make a 53-man roster. You can't blame that on the scouting dept.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I find this comment to be deeply disturbing, as our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years (neatly co-inciding with Scott Campbell's tenure). Vinnie may have been the trigger man, but this guy was the one helping him rank and evaluate players leading up to the draft.

I realize your can't turn over your scouting dept in the middle of the offseason, but I do hope that entire group goes the way of the strength and conditioning staff immediately after the draft...a fresh perspective is needed there.

Anyway, hopefully Shanny and Allen will take everything they hear from this guy with a big grain of salt!

Posted by: PDXskin

The problem wasn't scouting. We actually got decent talent. Everyone hits and misses with draft picks, I don't think our front office was all that bad. Its that we traded so many away and didn't draft in a balanced manner. I've posted before on what the top teams draft. On a % basis, the top teams drafted 3x as many linemen as we did with high and middle round picks. The flaw was in the strategy, not as much in identifying talent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean, Springs needs to fall back and call it a career.

He can't stay healthy for nothing. I saw him take a tumble this season, from the looks it didn't look serious at all and I think it caused him to miss a few games.

What do you all think, is he HOF worthy?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I think it's more accurate to say we draft well but we screw the pooch on just about everything else. For the record the Fred Davis pick is one I can understand but do not actually disagree with. Fred Davis was recruited as a WR so he isn't the same player as Chris Cooley. Now go back and look at the guys available in 2008:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

Who did we miss out on by drafting Fred Davis at 48? We took Rhino at 96. The answer is everyone in between.

My quick list is
Desean Jackson-We already have Santana Moss

John Greco-Looks to be a career backup

Ray Rice/Jamaal Charles/Steve Slaton - Would have been nice to have but I think taking a running back then may not have made sense. Portis was still healthy and so was Betts. It would be hindsight bias to say this was the best pick.

Chad Henne - Looks mediocre, like JC

Mario Manningham - We had already taken DT11 and had plans to take MK12. Manningham would have made no sense.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The problem wasn't scouting. We actually got decent talent. Everyone hits and misses with draft picks, I don't think our front office was all that bad. Its that we traded so many away and didn't draft in a balanced manner. I've posted before on what the top teams draft. On a % basis, the top teams drafted 3x as many linemen as we did with high and middle round picks. The flaw was in the strategy, not as much in identifying talent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree, m/s zcexcest. The whole argument started when I reacted to the following post:

"our scouting dept has to be considered one of the league's worst over the past 10 years (neatly co-inciding with Scott Campbell's tenure). Vinnie may have been the trigger man, but this guy was the one helping him rank and evaluate players leading up to the draft.

I realize your can't turn over your scouting dept in the middle of the offseason, but I do hope that entire group goes the way of the strength and conditioning staff immediately after the draft...a fresh perspective is needed there.

Anyway, hopefully Shanny and Allen will take everything they hear from this guy with a big grain of salt!"

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Mike Pollak, the center Indy took at 59 should have been taken. I still hate that we need a big receiver argument. Get playmakers, I could care less about height and weight. DeSean Jackson would have solved our #2 WR and punt returning woes. We could have gotten that and still drafted Devin Thomas where we did.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 27, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Regarding scouting and drafting, I guess it depends if you lay 100% of the blame on Vinny and his strategy, or if the folks evaluating the talent also have to take some of the responsiblity for the final product.

Sounds like some folks want to lay all the blame on Vinnie (which I totally understand, as his approach and decision making is why our roster is in the shape it is today), but I also have to think the folks doing the evaluating and rankings for his "BPA" list have some accountability there as well. Since we are turning over most of the football organization this off-season, why wouldn't that extend into the scouting dept as well?

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

red, no on the HOF for Springs. Good player no doubt, but just not great.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

as for OctoMom, wouldn't go near that. I swear guys never learn. You just don't go near that kind of crazy. Ever.

Yes, Campbell gets the Jets to the playoffs. Sanchez threw 150 fewer passes than Campbell and had 5 more picks. Campbell's QB rating was 20 points higher. Jets make the playoffs because of the run game, the defense and a favorable schedule. That said, Sanchez did look good in the playoffs.

And count me among those who hope the next group of conditioning coaches know something about keeping hamstrings from getting pulled

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Mike Pollak, the center Indy took at 59 should have been taken. I still hate that we need a big receiver argument. Get playmakers, I could care less about height and weight. DeSean Jackson would have solved our #2 WR and punt returning woes. We could have gotten that and still drafted Devin Thomas where we did.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 27, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Exactly... and the fact that they "had plans to take MK12" with their remaining 2nd rounder shows that the player evaluation process was totally out of whack (again, assuming Vinnie's "BPA" list drove this process).

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt, I'll agree to disagree that RockyMac, Dockery, and Smoot were "great picks" - servicable, but not great.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse
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See, given the risks, I look at a guy who is still in the league 7 or 8 years later and are still starters or frequently used subs (like nickle back), and I qualify those as great picks.

And even if Landry and Rogers have been a bit exposed this year, I bet they both would have benefited from having ST around.

And if the Oline and running game had held together, your opinion of JC might be different, too.

It is subjective, tho, and I think we all agree that the draft picks wasted on trades would be better invested in our draft scouts.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

'...no on the HOF for Springs..."


HOF for Shawn Springs?

Sure, if they rename it Home For F!ckups.

The year's HOF class is going to be one of the best in terms of stars and talent.

And just think of it: if C Samuels retires, he and B Favre might be the only guys on the list.

It'll be a pair that symbolizes the change in football over the last twenty years--a gunslinging thrower and the importance of left tackle play.

Favre and Samuels--two warriors, a left tackle and a star quarterback-- in the same HOF class.

I'll vote for that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"DeSean Jackson would have solved our #2 WR and punt returning woes."

Yeah? Who's throwing the ball? Who's blocking for the QB to get D-Jax the ball?

For all the potential Davis, Kelly, and Thomas may possess, they still should have drafted either a DE or OL with one of those picks. Because I don't care what your needs are "WR-TE-WR" just doesn't make sense.

And as far as the punting woes, I don't know about that either. If the other 10 guys on the punt returns are half ass blocking or getting blocked INTO the punt returner, I don't see what difference Jackson would've made there either.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Changing gears to the Mark "Dirty" Sanchez debate... he may prove to be a player, and definitley already looks to be a leader, but he had little to do with getting the Jets to the playoffs (as someone said earlier, they got their in spite of him, not because of him).

Any starting QB in the league could have gotten equal or better results with that o-line, running game, and defense...but if you want to draft and start a rookie QB, that is the ideal situaiton to place him in so he can be succesful - hopefully Shanny and Allen took note!

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I liked the two big WR picks -- pick 2 guys and hope to get 1 good player. Very few 2nd round WRs had come up big in the NFL. Davis was the pick that made no sense, as we already had a top tight end. I think Davis was the 4th tight end we drafted with a early or middle round pick.

Overall, the things you can't defend by the skins front office are the absence of linemen in draft selection and the trading of so many picks. That is on the guy in charge, not his staff guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse


ahhhhhhhh, where to begin? Ok let's start with its not hindsight analysis to say that we all knew we needed oline depth. Not starters, we had starters in Samuels, Dock, Rabach, Thomas, and Heyer (questionable but whatevs). We needed young backups. Its much much easier to find depth for LB and special teams than it is to find depth for the oline. A 5th rounder for Duke Robinson wouldn't have been better than the two LBs and FB we took and subsequently didn't crack the roster?

From Scouts Inc. Duke Robinson = 76

Grading Scale means:
70-79 3rd Round Typically a standout player at the college level that is close to being an elite player. He has no glaring weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchups, but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the country. He will usually rate in the top third of players at his position and is considered a third round draft prospect.

Chad Rinehart = 56

Grading Scale
50-59 5th Round These are usually players that play at a high level in college, but lack some measurables or skills to play at that same level in the NFL. He may be a player that has a lot of developmental qualities, or could be a player that will contribute right away on special teams or in a situational capacity. He will usually rate in the second-third at his position and is considered a fifth round draft choice.

And its pretty much proven to be the case when Robinson goes to a team with a good oline with two 1,000 yard rushers and is an immediate backup and on a team that couldn't block me Rhinehart can't beat out a couple of undrafted FAs and a Jenny Craig bust who had been out of football for a couple of years. The only thing your argument proves is that we stupidly reached for a bad pick in the 3rd round and ignored a pick that could have helped us last year. Just stop pretending they have drafted well, while they aren't the worst out there they still have missed on a lot more than they've hit. CR22 and LL30 are top 10 picks......enough said.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Regarding scouting and drafting, I guess it depends if you lay 100% of the blame on Vinny and his strategy, or if the folks evaluating the talent also have to take some of the responsiblity for the final product.

Sounds like some folks want to lay all the blame on Vinnie (which I totally understand, as his approach and decision making is why our roster is in the shape it is today), but I also have to think the folks doing the evaluating and rankings for his "BPA" list have some accountability there as well. Since we are turning over most of the football organization this off-season, why wouldn't that extend into the scouting dept as well?

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 2:04 PM
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I think Vinny did pick the best player available. I just think that whole concept is whacked. If your team is one offensive lineman from being a force (arguably, but remember we are talking at the beginning of last season when both Samuels and Thomas were healthy), then why not trade down or reach down to get that offensive lineman? I think you have to do this - especially if you are Vinny, who said there "just wasn't any good offensive linemen available in free agency".

Think about where Washington was in the draft last year. I believe they could have traded down - because there were teams chomping at the bit to get their hands on Orakpo - drafted Oher, and still picked up another player. Instead, BPA was Orakpo. Yes, he is a good player, but Jason Campbell took a lot of hits last season because of that pick.

My opinion is you take the best player available as long it is a position of need, and if it isn't, you try like hell to trade down, and if that dog won't hunt, you pick the BPA at the position of need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Rhinehart can't beat out a couple of undrafted FAs and a Jenny Craig bust who had been out of football for a couple of years"

zj, while I get and agree with the premise of your post, the 2008 draft class cannot be judged at this point, because of who they've had as their coach. Rhino got to start after Thomas went down, then got replaced by BMW for no discernable reason, then BMW got hurt, so they replaced him with WMontgomery, who got hurt, so they again inserted Rhino into the lineup again...I mean, there was and is nothing to the lack of reasoning behind how they played this guy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry.

That last post was poorly worded garbage as opposed to the well-worded garbage I usually litter this blog with.

(re-post)

This year's HOF class is going to be one of the best in terms of stars and talent.

And just think of it: if C Samuels retires this year, he and B Favre might be the only guys on the list when it comes up.

Samuels and Favre.

It'll be a pair that symbolizes the change in football over the last twenty years--a gunslinging thrower and the importance of left tackle play.

The resolute redskin who never saw a Super Bowl and the media Hamlet who's got kids all across the Great Lakes region named after him.

'Bama and Southern Miss: the South will rise in Canton representing the region of the country where football is king.

I'd hate to see Samuels retire as much as I'd hate to see him play, what with his battle with stenosis.

Favre isn't done, but at 40, who needs to get hit like he was last weekend?

Both players should call it quits, and let the young'ns play a game meant for them.

I'll vote for that.

Then, I'd vote them both into the Hall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I didnt see a problem with drafting two WRs...I think they will turn out to be pretty good once we get the O-Line in order.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Regarding scouting and drafting, I guess it depends if you lay 100% of the blame on Vinny and his strategy, or if the folks evaluating the talent also have to take some of the responsiblity for the final product.

Sounds like some folks want to lay all the blame on Vinnie (which I totally understand, as his approach and decision making is why our roster is in the shape it is today), but I also have to think the folks doing the evaluating and rankings for his "BPA" list have some accountability there as well. Since we are turning over most of the football organization this off-season, why wouldn't that extend into the scouting dept as well?

Posted by: PDXskin | January 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm not saying lay all of the blame on Vinnie. He is responsible for the choices. But we have no way of assessing how well the scouting dept performed. That is why we need to let BA and Shanny make those choices. You may not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure that p1funk will attempt to assassinate Brett Favre at his HOF introductory speech.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Who gives the final thumbs up/thumbs down?

Shanahan or Allen

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Valid points rdmv. DJax probably wouldn't have had the same impact in DC as he has in Philly. But it's pretty apparent he is a big time playmaker. We still don't know about that with Thomas or Kelly. We could have gotten Thomas and Jackson plus an OL or DE with the other pick. Also, with the punt returns it always seemed like when Santana was back there he made plays. You can pin some of it on poor blocking but the muffed punts, letting punts hit the ground/roll and dancing around for no gain can be pegged mainly on ARE.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 27, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

think Vinny did pick the best player available. I just think that whole concept is whacked. If your team is one offensive lineman from being a force (arguably, but remember we are talking at the beginning of last season when both Samuels and Thomas were healthy), then why not trade down or reach down to get that offensive lineman? I think you have to do this - especially if you are Vinny, who said there "just wasn't any good offensive linemen available in free agency".

Think about where Washington was in the draft last year. I believe they could have traded down - because there were teams chomping at the bit to get their hands on Orakpo - drafted Oher, and still picked up another player. Instead, BPA was Orakpo. Yes, he is a good player, but Jason Campbell took a lot of hits last season because of that pick.

My opinion is you take the best player available as long it is a position of need, and if it isn't, you try like hell to trade down, and if that dog won't hunt, you pick the BPA at the position of need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse
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totally agree. there's no such thing a sure thing (des howard anyone?), so if you just go for BPA you can get very weak in a hurry, likewise you can find pleasant surprises just as often (timmy smith?), so if you pick for position of greatest need and get lucky, you can get better in a hurry. so PLEASE we go OL, OL, RB. what chance we trade down and pick up Seattle's 2dn 1st rnd, 2, 3?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem with you dim witted Americans is caused by all the junk food you consume: a soulless gift you generously export to the rest of the world.

Denny's and IHOP restaurants are representative of the disgusting, preservative laden, artificial diet preferred by most non discriminating Americans.

You bloggers are rotting from the inside out. The professional athletes you waste all day commenting on are also no exception.

Take Adrian Peterson, who was photographed eating a fatty lunch of hamburgers and fries the day of the championship game. Shouldn't your upper echelon sports figures have a greater awareness of the importance of a healthy diet, and the link of such a diet to the quality of their performances on game day?

And due to the negative example provided to them by these sports figures, and further propagated by the corporate food conglomerates who peddle their toxic, preservative filled, chemically modified wares through the corrupt media empire that they sponsor, your children are no better off.

Now these corporate robber barons have been given carte blanche by your "supreme" court to further unduly influence the congressional representatives that are elected to protect the people from unbridled abuse by these same business entities.

Your war mongering, African American president, the one filled with empty rhetoric has at least one answer to what ails your dying hegemony, a "discretionary spending freeze?"

One of your country's top union leaders warned that President Obama's proposal for this joke of a three-year cap on discretionary, NON-MILITARY spending will effectively ensure a prolonged U.S. recession similar to Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s.

And now for the State of the Union address.

What will he say?

It doesn't matter, because he has already delivered on his "Promise of Nope.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I want Okung just so when we are deep in the playoffs, we can start singing "Okung all ye faithful" to my kids

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I didnt see a problem with drafting two WRs...I think they will turn out to be pretty good once we get the O-Line in order.

Posted by: CheyenneWY


So you'll co-sign drafting another receiver with your 3rd pick (51st overall) after you just took one with your 1st pick (34th overall)... All while dismissing the o-line and drafting another pass catching TE (48th overall) in between the two WR picks?

Co-signing on that will fu_k up your credit right there.

It could have saved Cerrato his job if he had sense enough to know that they needed a offensive linemen with one of those picks.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't see a problem with drafting two WRs...I think they will turn out to be pretty good once we get the O-Line in order."

Well, what was wrong with it was the team brought them in without some kid of plan to get them on the field early enough to get them experienced.

Pierre Garcon and Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas where all in the same draft class.

You know who we took and what happened.

The colts got Garcon on the field early on, and used him in ways to get Manning comfortable with him.

Even the iggles had some simple ways to get Jackson and Maclin on the field early in their rookie years to get them a feel of of NFL level play.

Thing is, Randle El will probably be gone, so we'll need another guy at receiver (I think another kid like Mitchell is out there at receiver) outside of Kelly, Moss, Thomas, and Mitchell.

And whoever that guy is, let's hope he gets some field experience early.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Just onto the drafting thing, I was running through as much of the draft history as I could on wiki. I don't suggest it for anyone who wants to leave a shred of respect for Vinny and even Gibbs II (if he was calling the shots)

Data only goes back to 2004, but here goes:

2004 - traded 2nd, 4th, and 7th. The 2nd was to Denver in the Portis trade I think. No idea what the others were for

2005 - traded 2nd and 3rd. 2nd was to Saints, 3rd was to move up to get JC

2006 - traded 3rd and 4th. 3rd was for Lloyd, 4th might have been a position change...

2007 - traded 3rd and 4th for Duckett and Lloyd

2008 - traded 4th for Duckett, but there are a couple of extra picks late I can't explain, so this might have simply turned into a later round.

2009 - traded 2nd, 4th, and 7th. 2nd for JT, 4th for Pete Kendall, and 7th for E James.

I mean, that's just putrid. Not counting compensatory picks and the fleecing of Chicago's 7th rounder to ship off Archulletamanrunby, we use approximately 71% of our draft picks on the draft.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

From Scouts Inc. Duke Robinson = 76

Grading Scale means:
70-79 3rd Round Typically a standout player at the college level that is close to being an elite player. He has no glaring weaknesses and will usually win his individual matchups, but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the country. He will usually rate in the top third of players at his position and is considered a third round draft prospect.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM |

When was this analysis done on Duke? I remember him being mentioned as a 3rd round prospect up until about 2 weeks before the draft, when the bottom fell out for him. Questions work ethic, and consistency in play. The funny thing was that Loadholt moved up the draft, while Robinson fell.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Good move getting rid of the strength and conditioning staff. Portis and Haynesworth won't like it though - they're going to have to get in shape.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 27, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Adolf's son:

Go fu_k your mother.


Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

who wants to go 1st on 'Rotfrau'?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV wins.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ganging up on me will not solve anything.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey d**khead. Go read a politics blog 1st, football blog 2nd. Primo bell-end.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

haha wow. Holy random dude. Trust me, there are a lot of us that feel this way, but you should look at where you're posting this. It's an American Football forum. What the hell do you think we're going to talk about? On another note, RI is blowing hard today. One update? ONE UPDATE???!!! Did you take a day off or something?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse
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Why, do you need us to bail you out too?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 2:51 PM

I wonder who were selected with those picks, and if they would have helped move the Skins to higher level. Don't get me wrong, I'm a build via the draft guy, but I also know I tend to fall in love with prospects, only to see them flame out (abilities, attitude,etc). Throw into the mix that Vinny would've made the selections, and just using the draft picks may have given the Skins the same net effect as far as allocation of personnel.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Troll? What are you going to solve blogging about fast food on a football blog? Why don't you go and post about the IRS on a gardening website? Or defense policy on a cookery blog? Are you lost, stupid, bored, lonely or all of the above?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ganging up on me will not solve anything.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse
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I know, right? It's kinda like bringing politics into a football forum, you know? I mean, honestly man, what WERE they thinking (Zorn face)?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson is a mauler that excels at run blocking. He has a lot of trouble stopping pass rushers. What exactly do you think he would be doing in a WCO? At the time of the draft we were not a power run team and we already had Chad Rhinehart. That's why Duke Robinson deosn't fit here. That's why he was a stupid pick for us. We needed teams guys and we had no backup FB so yeah FB and LBs were the better choice.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Shut up you nazi

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

That's fine, but I come here specifically on the football blog to incite you all. Germany needs a strong ally, like the rest of the world does, not a chronically weak one.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Favre and Samuels--two warriors, a left tackle and a star quarterback-- in the same HOF class.

I'll vote for that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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I love Chris Samuels (Roll Tide!), but if Joe Jacoby can't make the HOF, how will Chris?

Posted by: closer44 | January 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse
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Hey buddy, if you're being serious, please remember that this is a Redskins forum, not a political forum. Go debate politics somewhere else. Or go back to wherever you came from and write about the local soccer team (yawn...)

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Lead yourself instead of depending on others. Don't like it leave.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We are all in this together, but some of us are more stupid than others.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone up here think sanchez wouldve led the skins to the playoffs?

Posted by: pabrian2003

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Nope. More importantly, does anyone here think Campbell could have led the Jets to the playoffs?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Top defense, a RB who never fumbles, a great O-line, a legit #1 WR? Absolutely

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe Rotfrau is either German or a woman. I have seen "it" post at 9:00 pm, which would mean local time in Germany of 3:00 am. Who gets up at 3:00 am or stays up until 3:00 am just to post on RI? I bought it the first few posts but now I don't buy it for a second. This is probably some sixteen year old German student in DC sitting in front of his IMac in his yellow stained underwear giggling like a teeny-bopper at how he sucked us all in. Ignore it and it will go away. Give it attention and you will have another MARTYS_EMAIL@ADD poster. Heck, maybe it is the same stupid kid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

how about just go hold your breath for about 10 minutes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I didnt see a problem with drafting two WRs...I think they will turn out to be pretty good once we get the O-Line in order.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

That's the entire freaking point!!!! PA and others bang the drum all day long over and over that we have to draft all oline this draft yet ignore the fact that we are in this spot because we made two picks (one cut and one who may or may not be any good Bean thanks to coaching but certainly appears to be not worth the 3rd rounder we used on him) on the oline in the last 5 drafts. That's not good drafting, period. Even if the picks they had made while ignoring a glaring need and letting their roster rot at its core had all turned out great its still would be bad drafting because the used strategy has gotten us where we are. But the fact is they have had only 32 picks since 2005 and of those only 2 were oline. One is out of football the other one is a big question mark. Beyond that of those 32 picks only 56% remain on the roster. Of those 32 picks we have 2 pro bowlers 7 starters.

The rest of our division:
Philly - (ignoring McNabb of course since this is just since 05 and not counting Kolb as a starter even though he will be eventually) 45 picks, 64% on the roster, 4 Pro Bowlers, and 13 starters
Dallas - ignoring they have hit on some undrafteds (Romo, Austin both pro bowlers) as well and guys like Witten, Flozell, and Gurode were draft picks prior to 2005 they've had 41 picks, 56% on the roster, 7 Pro Bowlers, and 9 starters.
New York - ignoring that Manning arrived in 2004 for Rivers both Pro Bowlers, 35 picks, 63% on the roster, 6 pro bowlers, and 11 starters.

Pretty clearly we are the worst drafting team in our division. While we're kinda close on the % that remain on the roster, we're nowhere close when it comes to pro bowlers and starters.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ganging up on me will not solve anything.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Will ganging up on your mom solve anything?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Strong alliances are what will lead us all of this global conundrum. Unfortunately, America lacks a leader with conviction.

George Bush was horrible, but unapologetically so, and ironically, more principled than President Obama, although still perverse.The war monger currently in office specializes in misrepresentation. He is far more dangerous, more insidious, than any Republican ever was or will be.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

My draft day dream - Suh, McCoy, Berry go first

When we go on the clock, we call KC and say we're taking Okung but we'll swap #1 picks with you if you throw in your 3rd rounder. we net an extra pick in round 3.

at #5 we call Buffalo and get them to trade their 1 & 2 for the #5 pick

at #9 we take Davis OT Rutgers

with #2 (37) we take Ducasse G UMass
with #2 (41) we take Allen FS USF

with #3 (68) we take Troup NT UCF

with #4 (100) we take LeFevour QB CMich

with #5 (132) we take Brown KR CMich

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I posted something prior to this and it told me Jason Reid was going to view my post before allowing it to be submitted. LOL, guess it was too "real". Anyway, where's the Bear Jew when you need him? Rotfrau wants to die for his country. Oblige him.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Strong alliances are what will lead us all of this global conundrum. Unfortunately, America lacks a leader with conviction.

George Bush was horrible, but unapologetically so, and ironically, more principled than President Obama, although still perverse.The war monger currently in office specializes in misrepresentation. He is far more dangerous, more insidious, than any Republican ever was or will be.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You've got it all figured out huh? Well how about me and you go up to the White House front door, give it a big old knock and tell Mr. Obama "Let's fix this!"

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh I know don't feed the troll. That's fine. First drain and then mop the floor of your country instead. It's currently under two feet of raw sewage.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Redskins record in Super Bowls 3-2

Germanys record in world wars 0-2

nuff said

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

My opinion is you take the best player available as long it is a position of need, and if it isn't, you try like hell to trade down, and if that dog won't hunt, you pick the BPA at the position of need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree, with the corolary that if a player that you believe is a true difference maker, a future hall-of-famer is available, you draft him even if he doesn't play a position that you need help at. Otherwise, you risk drafting a George Rogers when a Lawrence Taylor is available, or, in another sport, drafting a Sam Bowie or a Kenny Green when a Michael Jordan or a Karl Malone could have been taken. In all three instances, the teams involved (the New Orleans Saints, the Portland Trailblazers and our very own Washington Wizards/Bullets) had decent-to-very-good players at the positions that these three all-time greats played, and passed them up to draft for a perceived need. I suspect that each of these teams would have been a lot more successful had they taken the "best player available."

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"one cut and one who may or may not be any good Bean thanks to coaching but certainly appears to be not worth the 3rd rounder we used on him"

again zj, not sure we've seen enough to say one way or another on Rhino to say that he's a player or not....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Also we give Vinny sooooo much credit for Horton and Mitchell and call him a good drafter because he found those guys late.

Dallas has two undrafted guys in the Pro Bowl (Romo/Austin) and Jay Ratliffe another Pro Bowler was a 7th round pick. Its not such an amazing accomplishment compared to that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are so stupid. Fix your country first. Focus on football second.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 2:55 PM

Rotfrau is a billy goat. This is his act. He pops up from time to time with the same rhetoric and will occasionally talk football. He's an idiot who's primary intention is to get a reaction from us "stupid Americans".

Just ignore his nonsense and he will talk football, which he actually knows more than you would expect from a wanna be Nazi.

He's alter ego is OptimisticOne.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"one cut and one who may or may not be any good Bean thanks to coaching but certainly appears to be not worth the 3rd rounder we used on him"

again zj, not sure we've seen enough to say one way or another on Rhino to say that he's a player or not....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I was agreeing with you, but you also have to agree that it has been an inauspicious beginning for a 3rd round pick....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Tampa, I love the scenario. If these teams would dance, that would be lovely. You had me until Round 5...I mean what are the odds of two Chippewas panning out? That Brown kid can probably be had in F/A. All in all though, I like it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Pretty clearly we are the worst drafting team in our division. While we're kinda close on the % that remain on the roster, we're nowhere close when it comes to pro bowlers and starters.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

No, pretty clearly we just didn't have as many draft picks. The draft picks we had weren't good either. Once again your incomplete anaylsis leaves out the fact that higher round draft picks are more likely to be pro bowlers and we gave away a lot of higher round draft picks.

In the last 5 drafts we only had:

R1 4
R2 4
R3 2
Total 10

The Giants had:

R1 4
R2 6
R3 5
Total 15

Eagles
R1 3
R2 8
R3 5
Total 16

Cowboys
R1 6
R2 3
R3 4
Total 13

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Also we give Vinny sooooo much credit for Horton and Mitchell and call him a good drafter because he found those guys late.

Dallas has two undrafted guys in the Pro Bowl (Romo/Austin) and Jay Ratliffe another Pro Bowler was a 7th round pick. Its not such an amazing accomplishment compared to that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I agree. How can Mitchell be a draft win when we've hardly seen him play?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Rotfrau,

nach Hause gehen und ändern Sie Ihre Windel

Guten Tag, mein Herr

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

A person familiar with today's meeting between Gilbert Arenas and NBA Commissioner David Stern said the Wizards' three-time all-star guard requested to be suspended for the remainder of the season and sources said that Stern plans to abide by the request.

According to the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Arenas also told Stern that he would tell the players' union not to fight the suspension. Stern will announce his ruling later this afternoon.

Arenas met with Stern at the league offices in New York for nearly an hour this afternoon. He was accompanied by his attorney, Ken Wainstein.

The meeting came nearly two weeks after Arenas pleaded guilty to a felony gun charge and was expected to provide Stern with the final details before he determined a punishment for Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton, who were involved in a locker room dispute in which guns were displayed at Verizon Center on Dec. 21.

Another stupid American.

Not to mention injury plagued Greg Oden, whose penis is all over the internet.

He is injury prone because of poor childhood nutrition, most likely, and now he is humiliated.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I actually think Rotfrau would be a good D-coordinator. We would blitzkrieg alot more frequently.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Redskins record in Super Bowls 3-2

Germanys record in world wars 0-2

nuff said

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

LOLOLOL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Last 5 years # of fourth round selections

Redskins
R4 4

Eagles
R4 7

Giants
R4 6

Cowboys
R4 10

We got killed in the 4th round too.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Tiger Woods, yet another stupid American.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV wins.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 3:00 PM

now that's something you don't see every day

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Consequently, I'f I'm the 'Skins and I believe that Suh of Nebraska is the next truly dominant D-tackle, I take him if he somehow drops to 4, even though that position is not a true area of need.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

My opinion is you take the best player available as long it is a position of need...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree, with the corolary that if a player that you believe is a true difference maker....

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse
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The way you rectify those statements is to take the player which will improve your roster the most. In the spirit of 'only strong as your weakest link' plugging a hole may instantly improve the entire team. Then again, certain players will not only upgrade their own position, but will make others better in the process.

Drafting late round FBs and LBs which have no chance of displacing the guys ahead of them does not improve your roster, and are therefore bad picks.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Tiger Woods, yet another stupid American.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:27 PM

Mrs. Tiger Woods = yet another stupid Swede

Posted by: League-Source | January 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Brown, Central Michigan
Height: 5-10. Weight: 179.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2010): 5-6

2009: MAC Special Teams Player of the Year for the second consecutive season

accounted for touchdowns receiving, rushing, passing and on both a punt return and kickoff return during career.

PUNT RETURNS G No. Yds TD Lg Avg/R Avg/G
2007................ 14 13 142 0 42 10.9 10.1
2008................ 13 20 410 1 75 20.5 31.5
2009................ 14 20 270 2 75 13.5 19.3
TOTAL............... 41 53 822 3 75 15.5 20.0

KICK RETURNS G No. Yds TD Lg Avg/R Avg/G
2007................ 14 40 1048 1 90 26.2 74.9
2008................ 13 38 791 0 43 20.8 60.8
2009................ 14 35 773 1 95 22.1 55.2
TOTAL............... 41 113 2612 2 95 23.1 63.7

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree, with the corolary that if a player that you believe is a true difference maker, a future hall-of-famer is available, you draft him even if he doesn't play a position that you need help at. Otherwise, you risk drafting a George Rogers when a Lawrence Taylor is available, or, in another sport, drafting a Sam Bowie or a Kenny Green when a Michael Jordan or a Karl Malone could have been taken. In all three instances, the teams involved (the New Orleans Saints, the Portland Trailblazers and our very own Washington Wizards/Bullets) had decent-to-very-good players at the positions that these three all-time greats played, and passed them up to draft for a perceived need. I suspect that each of these teams would have been a lot more successful had they taken the "best player available."

Posted by: rbpalmer

the big difference is that in basketball, one player can make an enormous difference since there are only 5 guys that play. In the NFL, its 22 guys.

As for failing to draft Michael Jordan, most people had no idea how good he really was. The old joke was this: Q: Name the only person to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points a game. A: Dean Smith

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Last 5 years # of fourth round selections

Redskins
R4 4

Eagles
R4 7

Giants
R4 6

Cowboys
R4 10

We got killed in the 4th round too.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

ugh whatever PA, I concede. The Skins have been a model of sound decision making, efficiency, intelligent drafting, quality management, and shrewd personnel maneuvers. The entire problem was Zorn and injuries, we didn't need young oline depth over the last 5 drafts, we needed special team linebackers, punters, and a backup tight end so we accomplished our goals and drafted well.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Are Americans really stupid?

USA scores the lowest in national average IQ among the developed countries of the world, at a national average score of 98.

The national average IQ score of Americans at 98 is below 22 countries (including Switzerland, United Kingdom, Germany, Japan, North Korea and China). The low Intelligence Quotient (IQ) score of United States puts the Americans at a lower intelligence level on an average as compared to the other industralised nations.

The mathematical skills and abilities to process mathematical problems also put America on a weak spot. American high school students scored 483 in the test Program for International Student Assessment. The average scores of American students were way below those of top scoring countries like South Korea, Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland, etc. all of whom scored between 503 and 544 (significantly higher than US scores). Mathematical skills, scientific temper and the ability to apply mathematical knowledge are essential in the present world and they are the roots of logical and scientific reasoning. If this becomes a weak point, a person’s ability to fare well in science, logical and anaytical thinking would suffer as well.

Another study as a special report by ABC showed that in scientific and mathematical skills, an average Belgian kid scored better than a skilled American. By age fifteen Americans fell behind 25 countries in this test. They scored worse than countries which spend much less in education. The report also states that in US, mediocrity is encouraged by monopoly of public school and opportunity based scholarships, which is hurting the academic ability of Americans when compared to the rest of the world. Yes, monopoly hurts because there is no competition to better oneself against, but when it comes to countries with lesser quality of education it says something. Those countries are not well off either but in spite of that they do better than US.

“American adults in general do not understand what molecules are (other than that they are really small). Fewer than a third can identify DNA as a key to heredity. Only about 10 percent know what radiation is. One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth, an idea science had abandoned by the 17th century.” This is an excerpt from an article by New York Times which did a study and survey of Americans to determine their awareness. Coming from a nation where half the schools do not teach the science of evolution, scientific outlook is discouraged and a lot of emphasis is laid on religious education, the results are hardly surprising.

Now with all these statistics and research data it is up to you, the RI blogger, to decide if Americans really deserve the ’stupid’ tag. As with any nation, there are always exceptions which means not all Americans fit these statistics. But a majority of Americans do which creates the average data at a lower level than the other countries.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree, with the corolary that if a player that you believe is a true difference maker, a future hall-of-famer is available, you draft him even if he doesn't play a position that you need help at. Otherwise, you risk drafting a George Rogers when a Lawrence Taylor is available, or, in another sport, drafting a Sam Bowie or a Kenny Green when a Michael Jordan or a Karl Malone could have been taken. In all three instances, the teams involved (the New Orleans Saints, the Portland Trailblazers and our very own Washington Wizards/Bullets) had decent-to-very-good players at the positions that these three all-time greats played, and passed them up to draft for a perceived need. I suspect that each of these teams would have been a lot more successful had they taken the "best player available."

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM
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I get your point, but those "can't miss" players sit at the top of the draft. If you'd ask me who that is this year, I would say Okung and Suh are 1-2 or 2-1 and then there is a big step down after them. Having said that, if the Redskins cannot trade down, I don't think they would feel disappointed if they drafted Trent Williams. The jackpot would be three teams passing on Okung allowing Washington to get the best tackle in the draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Tiger Woods = yet another stupid Swede

Posted by: League-Source | January 27, 2010 3:30 PM

Is she really stupid? So she had to be married to and father 2 of Urkel's babies. For the amount of she invested, I'd say she will be compensated quite nicely. Sure beats being a nanny.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Late round picks last 5 years:


R5-R7

Cowboys 22

Eagles 22

Giants 13

Redskins 21

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Some info and stats on Brown. Watched him in GMAC Bowl.

I think Brown would be an excellent replacement for ARE in the return game and could be used for trick plays and decoy work a couple of times during the game

5 career return TDs in college.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I am waiting to see what Shanahan and his team of coaches can do with what we have. Many smart football people thnk we have alot of taltent, but it never translated.

I think it will be a year or two, but we will be a poerhouse again.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Some info and stats on Brown. Watched him in GMAC Bowl.

I think Brown would be an excellent replacement for ARE in the return game and could be used for trick plays and decoy work a couple of times during the game

5 career return TDs in college.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:37 PM
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I don't think you have to look far to find an upgrade to ARE in the return game. I just can't believe Danny Smith is sticking around. "Mr. Special Teams Coverage" can't develop a punt return game worth diddly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

to quote a male comic I heard

for $30 million, I put on a blond wig and do Tiger myself

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

ugh whatever PA, I concede. The Skins have been a model of sound decision making, efficiency, intelligent drafting, quality management, and shrewd personnel maneuvers. The entire problem was Zorn and injuries, we didn't need young oline depth over the last 5 drafts, we needed special team linebackers, punters, and a backup tight end so we accomplished our goals and drafted well.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse


I said we drafted well and screwed the pooch everywhere else. Good try at a strawman argument though. Here's my attempt. You are once again completely wrong sir, I've never eaten a live baby and I think you are a sad sad person for saying I did.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Now with all these statistics and research data it is up to you, the RI blogger, to decide if Americans really deserve the ’stupid’ tag. As with any nation, there are always exceptions which means not all Americans fit these statistics. But a majority of Americans do which creates the average data at a lower level than the other countries.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse
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If we got rid of all the stupid people, who would root for the Cowboys?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

to quote a male comic I heard

for $30 million, I put on a blond wig and do Tiger myself

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse
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...And beg him to put in a good word to Beckham about my oral skillz...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Tiger Woods made only one mistake and that was ever getting married in the first place. He was nerdy as a kid, and as a goofy adult with money and prestige he made a serious blunder. He never had any confidence with women, as his choice in trashy, uneducated women exemplifies.

He is an example of how a person can be exceptional in one area of specialization, but also devoid of any common sense.

Furthermore, he is the son of an adulterer. He should have known better. Being a cheater runs in his blood.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

As for offseason strategy, I think its this.

You look at your team and determine what your biggest needs are now and look to free agency for help -- knowing its not always there and even if help is there, its not always at a fair price.

You project your team out 2 years and see where the biggest needs are, and you draft against those needs.

Teams simply need to be honest with themselves, they don't understand who the best player is.

The best player in the 2008 draft was selected 24th overall and 5th at his position. Chris Johnson was passed over 23 times, 4 times by teams selected an RB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

to quote a male comic I heard

for $30 million, I put on a blond wig and do Tiger myself

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Jack Black put it best..

" I will stroke the shaft, cradle the balls and drink the gravy"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | January 27, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Are Americans really stupid?"

Are Americans stupid? Don't think so.

We have a guy who made a movie about some blue people kicking some white people's azz in the future rocking every movie theater in the world.

How are we stupid?

You are using an American concept--freedom of the press--to mock us.

How are we stupid?

One of the richest men on the planet is an American who looks like a guy you'd slink past on your way out of an adult video store.

How are we stupid?

When we have natural disasters we don't ask for help, but freely give it to countries that we know need it.

How are we stupid?

We won whatever war we fought 60 years ago against the allegedly superior people and their one-testicaled vegetarian leader.

How are we stupid?

So our kids can't read or count. They sang, dance, rap, and rock a style the world envies and pays for.

We are not stupid.

We are cool.

And generous and creative.

And what's stupid are smart people who post intellectual material in a stupid blog for fans who support a stupid football team.

We may not be smart.

But we sure aren't stupid enough to do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare - In the United States it is common for a hospital to refuse to treat a critically ill patient if they are not insured or are not US citizens. In Europe such a concept is considered ancient and uncivilised. In the US, doctors sometimes refuse to treat or prescribe the right options to a patient if the doctor’s religious beliefs go against what is medically best for the patient. It happens most often in cases of abortion, birth control and treating homosexuals where the doctors’ medical ethics conflict with their religious beliefs. Such an act in Europe would lead to cancellation of a doctor’s license to practice for violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

Diversity - United States, despite petty internal political differences is very uniform and homogeneous to an outsider. The culture (or lack of it) is same, the food is same, the language is same and the arts and style are similar. In Europe language, art, food, culture and politics are widely varied which might be overwhelming for an outsider but makes things interesting. A person visiting Scotland on a pleasure trip won’t feel like he could have done visiting England while a person visiting New Jersey and Virginia as a tourist would almost feel both are same states (except the differences in street crimes).

Education - The quality of public education in United States is much lower than that of Europe, in fact it is lower than many developing third world countries. US High School students are much less aware of the world history and politics, have lower mathematical and scientific skills, possess lower reasoning and judgement capabilities than European students of the same age. Universities are prohibitively expensive, the better the university, the more expensive it is. Students are often immersed on a lifelong burden of debt or get wiped out of all savings for an average college degree which costs a fraction in European countries or is free as in case of countries like Germany.

Media and News - The media in United States is very short sighted and excludes the rest of the world which it considers as an amusement park. The political and cultural news about the world is often negatively biased from an American point of view to suit ‘Americanised’ tastes. Sex and sexuality is either commoditised in an obsessively unhealthy way or vilified, making it to look as a dirty and evil act. In contrast, political and cultural news in European media is much more worldly and inclusive. News media tend to present facts rather than biased opinions; sex and sexuality is shown in a positive and healthy light as compared to the US.

as you bloggers say:

nuff said.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I think it will be a year or two, but we will be a poerhouse again.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 27, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse
We're already in the poorhouse, hope we can add a "w" there and make us powerhouse. I do agree with you, our turnaround to "competitive" shouldn't take too long with good usage of talent on the team.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Tiger messed up by getting married. He had a great life and could do whatever he wanted without risking his sponsors. If he'd acted the same was as a single guy, it wouldn't have been news.

A quick warning for those who might want to buy the book, 'Tiger's Favorite 18 Holes' is about golf. Sorry.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes but you all can sing and dance. That much is true.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not happy with Jason Campbell as our QB, but I want the LT Okung also. I guess I have to trust Mike Shanahan and the staff on this one. Read this thread for the sake of arguing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/332185-five-reasons-sam-bradford-is-the-endgame-in-dc

Posted by: DieHardSkinsFan81 | January 27, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not happy with Jason Campbell as our QB, but I want the LT Okung also. I guess I have to trust Mike Shanahan and the staff on this one. Read this thread for the sake of arguing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/332185-five-reasons-sam-bradford-is-the-endgame-in-dc

Posted by: DieHardSkinsFan81 | January 27, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

So our kids can't read or count. They sang, dance, rap, and rock a style the world envies and pays for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 3:51 PM |

Mr. Moe are you serious?

Is that statement made in earnest?

True, Americans are generous, but also wasteful in their generosity.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Right on, Moe 3:51

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rotfrau-

Banner day for you. I'm not sure you've ever been this successful in your attempt to "troll".

One question...are you a red woman as your handle Rotfrau would suggest?

Rotfrau does translate to red woman, right?

You see folks, Redwoman is not really German, he's just pathetic.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Is this neo-nazi crocksucker for real, man?

Nice cut and paste jobs, a-hole. Your Aryan mama and papa would be proud.

I believe RSH is on-point. As much as I like the Redskins there is no way I'd be up at 3AM trolling the blog about politics. Dude is just some 13 year old jackass who reads Mein Kamf like road signs and beats off to one of Hitler's pictures.


As an American told a Nazi jackass when they rolled into Berlin: Fu_k you!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Your response is amusing, Mr. Moe. Thanks for the laugh. Singing and dancing? Being "cool?"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I believe Mr. RedDMV is good at two things only: self gratification and vulgarity.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Are Americans really stupid?

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:34 PM

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are not stupid, like such as, because it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, but it sure as he1l was over when the U.S. of America, bombed, shot, and generally beat the pis$ out of the Germany until it surrendered.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | January 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Americans export "cool."

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

All the knowledge in the world is useless without a vision and creativity.

Last time I checked America was still a global leader in innovation.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 27, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on bloggers. Bringing up WWII? Is that the best you can do? This is pathetic. Germany is second only to China, and only very recently, in exports. We make things of value that you silly Americans, and the rest of the world, pay a premium for!

oh but we may not be 'cool.'

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Are Americans really stupid?

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 3:34 PM

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are not stupid, like such as, because it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, but it sure as he1l was over when the U.S. of America, bombed, shot, and generally beat the pis$ out of the Germany until it surrendered.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | January 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope this comment is a joke. I really really do.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Leader in global innovation?

Innovating new ways to devalue your currency and plunge your economy further and further into debt.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I believe Mr. RedDMV is good at two things only: self gratification and vulgarity.

Posted by: Rotfrau


I disagree.

Your moms says I'm a beast at laying the pipe. Trust me she knows, "brothers" are whats really good over there. I use to run through German women...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I wish Rotfrau would go to youporn to aleviate his blau balls, as I'm pretty sure sex with a real woman is out of the question.

Tiger's mistake: Realizing he married a European.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not happy with Jason Campbell as our QB, but I want the LT Okung also. I guess I have to trust Mike Shanahan and the staff on this one. Read this thread for the sake of arguing: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/332185-five-reasons-sam-bradford-is-the-endgame-in-dc

Posted by: DieHardSkinsFan81 | January 27, 2010 3:57 PM
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I'd like to see them get the LT first and then I would really like to see Pike available when the Redskins pick second. Pike will be a guy a team sits on the bench for a year trying to hang more muscle on his frame and work on his mechanics, while Campbell gets beat on as the rookie offensive linemen learn their jobs... They could probably trade down and still get Pike later in the second round.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

guys, enough, ignore it, it'll go away...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

My opinion is you take the best player available as long it is a position of need...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree, with the corolary that if a player that you believe is a true difference maker....

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 27, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse
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i would have agreed a few years ago, but i just don't think the true difference makers are ever sure things, cf des howard again...(mandarich, aundray bruce, jamarcus, etc etc). But agree it's a half way house, don't take best need is poor value for the pick, but if you can't trade down then you have a quandary.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 27, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope this comment is a joke. I really really do.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse
Yes, MissTeenSC was a youtube tape of an interview several years ago, where contestent jabbered for 3 minutes and said nothing, ending is "such as". So any quote on here will be a joke.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hello, Mr. Greg.

I must say that New Englanders, on average, seem to be less stupid than Americans from other parts of the country.

You also have a very good football team in the Patriots. Why are you cheering for the Redskins?

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

From the Bradford article:

"And do you seriously think fanatical fans are going to clamor for an offensive tackle? Hell no!

And don't think that owner/dictator Daniel Snyder isn't immune to the will of the people of D.C. He is, after all, a self-proclaimed fan first and foremost. "

Truth is Skins fans love offensive linemen. We're blue collar that way. Always have been. As for Danny calling the shots, Shanahan didn't come to DC to be the owner's lackey. Shanahan has the power in this relationship, Snyder needs Shanahan more than Shanahan needs Snyder.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Generalfeldmarschall Herman Goering

"Not one bomb will fall on Berlin during this war"

“Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy”

“Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my Browning!”

“Would you rather have butter or guns? Preparedness makes us powerful. Butter merely makes us fat.”

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope this comment is a joke. I really really do.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse
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Have you never seen "Animal House"? Great movie with some classic lines....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 27, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of the German's. I just don't think they played a tough enough schedule. I mean c'mon France practically forfeited but I'd totally draft Erwin Rommel in the 3rd round. I know you guys may think that's crazy but the guys just has good technique. He's a smart player and I think he has what it takes to make it in this league. He played well agianst big opponents like the US and the Brits. That being said I wouldn't draft that Hermann Wilhelm Göring. That guy racked up all his stats against cupcakes like Poland. What happened to him in the battle of Britain bowl? Yeah, he choked. He's just not a big time player.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

A quick warning for those who might want to buy the book, 'Tiger's Favorite 18 Holes' is about golf. Sorry.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2010 3:54 PM |

So is "Playing the Field with Tiger", Chapter 7 - "Getting your Putts in the Hole".

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 27, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne/RedWoman-

Ihre Tat ist müde. Sie scheinen, einen Fußball zu wissen, vielleicht zeigen Sie Schau einige von jenem accumen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

More Evidence of the 3-4 Coming? Premium Story

By George Lafoon
Warpath Insiders
Posted Jan 27, 2010

There is more evidence mounting that the Redskins are going to switch to the 3-4. In addition to London Fletcher's recent supportive comments, the Redskins have been scouting 3-4 OLB's at the Senior Bowl this week.

There is no doubt that the Redskins are considering switching to a 3-4 base defense. The rumors of it started about the same time Jim Haslett was hired to be the defensive coordinator.

Evidence has been mounting all off season starting with the Redskins' signing of a Pittsburgh Assistant Coach to coach their linebackers.

Then, on a conference call with reporters to talk about his Pro Bowl berth, London Fletcher publically endorsed the move:

"There's a lot of teams that play 34 defenses. And really, some of the things we did last year were of a 3-4 defensive concept even though we didn't necessarily call it a 34."


But what does London Fletcher personally think about playing in the 3-4 himself? Here is what he had to say about that very topic:

"I can play in whatever defense," he said. "I feel comfortable in a 4-3, obviously. I feel comfortable in a 3-4. Whatever they feel like they want to do."


Now, as recently as yesterday, at the Senior Bowl, more evidence of a shift to the 3-4 alignment has surfaced.

Scout.com's own Ed Thompson is reporting that Linebacker Koa Misi drew the attention of a pair of representatives from the Washington Redskins following Tuesday's practice session.

You might be wondering why this is more evidence of a switch. Misi played Defensive End and Defensive Tackle at Utah. He was expected to report to the Senior Bowl at 263 pounds, give or take a pound.

However, the once Defensive End turned Linebacker reported at 244 pounds and was more than willing to embrace the switch to linebacker. Early reports on him are that he has looked good in coverage and even picked off a pass to the flat during practice.

So is the 3-4 alignment coming to Washington? Time will tell, but the evidence is mounting that it is.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahaha, Mr. RedDMV.

I may or may not be pretending to be German, but you are definitely pretending to be black.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diesel.

Don't pick on me. I actually find you to be very insightful when it comes to the Redskins.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday Senior Bowl Quarterbacks-North

By Adam Caplan
Senior NFL Reporter
Posted Jan 27, 2010

Here's a breakdown of the three quarterbacks from the North team after viewing Wednesday's practice:


Dan LeFevour/Central Michigan

LeFevour still lacks good arm strength and continued to push his passes instead throwing them.

He does move around very well and is able to create functional space to throw the ball, but too often his receivers had to wait for his passes to get there. This issue resulted in passes occasionally getting deflected.

LeFevour has to get more power into his throws in order to get the ball down field better.


Sean Canfield/Oregon St.

This was by far his best session over the three days of practices. Canfield threw the ball with good touch and terrific accuracy. While the ball doesn't come out of his hands with any noticeable velocity, he still was able to put the ball right where his intended target could catch the ball.

He also did a better job with timing with his intended passing options. He tried to lead the receiver to go get the ball. That's a good sign that he understands the passing game and progressions.

After two sub par days, the southpaw passer really helped himself to gain the attention of personnel evaluators.


Tony Pike/Cincinnati

For the most part, Pike had a strong performance during Wednesday's practice session.

Pike clearly has the strongest arm of the three North signal callers. However, his accuracy was a bit inconsistent. Part of the issue is that he's a tall quarterback with a high release point, so his passes tend to sail every now and then.

His footwork was consistent and he was able to make some really solid throws. He made one in particular that was through two defenders on a short route. Those kinds of stick throws are ones that young quarterbacks will be asked to make at the next level.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Americans export "cool."

And in our history books, it says we've defeated the folks that've mocked us.

There's something seriously wrong with a country that produces nothing but a superior attitude that's all sound and fury signifying nothing.

Which is why they watch us while we know nothing about them.

'Cuz outside of mass murder and losing two world wars, there's nothing else to know about them.

Perhaps the Troll will layout a sound argument about why we should respect a country that invented mass murder and wide scale mayhem.

If he is as smart as he says he is, he'll dazzle us with philosophers, poets, inventors, and the literature of a place so fay away that I don't ever care to go there.

And with that, Mr. Troll, we'll bid you adieu.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Diesel.

Don't pick on me. I actually find you to be very insightful when it comes to the Redskins.

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:28 PM

You should give up the phony german act and stick with football. You would surprise people with your football IQ.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

That was on here yesterday 4th, and played to good reviews. Haven't heard any more today.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Germans also invented socialism, marxism, communism and national socialism

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hello, Mr. Greg.
I must say that New Englanders, on average, seem to be less stupid than Americans from other parts of the country.

You also have a very good football team in the Patriots. Why are you cheering for the Redskins?

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:17 PM
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Rotfrau..
As a New Englander..thanks.. good to be considered "less stupid".... (I live in MA, 1 hour north of Boston). Be careful if you visit, we drive like our nickname indicates.. "Mass-holes".

Ref the Pats.. its easier to be a fan of the players.. ie. Welker.. But hard to accept the arrogance of Belichick.. Case in point.. . Recall his running up the score on Gibbs a few years ago.. Belichick's justification??... Because Gibbs beat him so badly, 15 years prior..when Belichick was HC in Cleveland.

Gibbs didnt even run up the score back then.. .. but thats the way Belichick thinks..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 27, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Betsy Beeps

Posted by: BlackBagOps | January 27, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"So is the 3-4 alignment coming to Washington? Time will tell, but the evidence is mounting that it is."


Interesting.

But we'd need a corner to make it work.

We've got safeties galore.

Plus: I sense there is going to be a mass exodus of players from the present roster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

very funny Mr. Moe.

Reread my posts where I provide a fact based argument why America stinks. Fix your education system, and everything else.

Bringing up WWII? Hahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Rotfrau | January 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Germans also invented socialism, marxism, communism and national socialism

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 4:37 PM

None of which are bad....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Germans also invented socialism, marxism, communism and national socialism

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 27, 2010 4:37 PM

None of which are bad....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

True. If done right and not abused, but that's in a perfect world.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 27, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

for those that care, Chris Cooley is chatting live right now at NFL.com

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Stock Down
Taylor Mays, S, USC
The most impressive physical specimen on the field has underwhelmed scouts with his play this week. Mays has struggled staying with receivers in drills, and his outstanding measurables haven’t translated into smooth or fluid movements in coverage. While he has shown up occasionally as a hitter against the run, Mays' inability to get around the ball consistently has drawn red flags from scouts expecting to see a "can’t miss" talent at the safety position.

Any morons who didn't get enough evidence as USC's defense was consistently shredded this season still think this guys is ST21 re-incarnate?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Diehard, I think something to consider is that all of those great QBs (Brady, Manning, Brees, etc) all have great O-lines too. I'm not saying I think JC is even close to that category, but I would have loved to have seen one of the "elite" QBs play behind our line last year. There's no QB prospect that screams "can't miss" this year, while the T class seems extremely strong. You draft the lines and find the QB after, unless there really is a can't miss there. JC won't win many games by himself, but he probably won't lose many behind an upgraded line either and can hold the reins for another year or two.

Posted by: DCinSD | January 27, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Quarterbacks
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1. Sam Bradford*
2. Jimmy Clausen*
3. Colt McCoy
4. Tim Tebow
5t. Dan LeFevour, Tony Pike

Runningbacks
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1. C. J. Spiller
2. Ryan Matthews*
3. Jahvid Best*
4. Dexter McCluster
5t. Joe McNight*, Jonathan Dwyer*

Wide Receivers
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1. Dez Bryant*
2. Golden Tate*
3. Arrelious Benn*
4. Demaryius Thomas*
5.Mardy Gilyard

Tight Ends
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1. Jermaine Gresham*
2. Rob Gronkowski*
3. Dennis Pitta
4. Aaron Hernandez*
5t. Ed Dickson, Anthony McCoy

Interior Lineman (Centers & Guards)
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1. Mike Lupati
2. Maurkice Pouncey*
3. Jon Asamoah
4. Rodger Saffold
5. Zane Beadles

Offensive Tackles
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1. Russell Okung
2. Bryan Bulaga*
3. Anthony Davis*
4. Trent Williams
5. Vladimir Ducasse

Defensive Ends
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1. Jason Pierre-Paul*
2. Derrick Morgan*
3. Carlos Dunlap*
4. Everson Griffen*
5. Brandon Graham

Defensive Tackles
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1. Gerald McCoy*
2. Ndamukong Suh
3. Jared Odrick
4. Dan Williams
5. Lamarr Houston

Inside Linebackers
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1. Rolando McClain*
2. Brandon Spikes
3. Sean Lee
4. Pat Angerer
5. Darryl Sharpton

Outside Linebackers
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1. Sergio Kindle
2. Sean Witherspoon
3. Daryl Washington
4. Jerry Hughes
5. Eric Norwood

Cornerbacks
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1. Joe Haden*
2. Kyle Wilson
3. Perrish Cox
4. Patrick Robinson
5. Devin McCourty

Safeties
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1. Eric Berry*
2. Taylor Mays
3. Earl Thomas*
4. Larry Asante
5. Chad Jones*
Mike Mayocks current tops at position

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

By Matt McGuire Walter Football
Jan. 27, 2010
One player who didn't impress me that much today was UMass offensive lineman Vladimir Ducasse. He didn't look like the most fluid athlete and he struggled with his lateral movement in 1v1's. Tyson Alualu stunned him with a rip move then later got under his pads on a bull a little too much for my liking. The scouts and coaches want to see how the small-school guys step up to the big competition and Ducasse isn't living up to the hype at the moment after a great weigh-in.

Idaho's Mike Iupati was very physical in 11v11's, but in 1v1's he was simply on the ground too much for my liking. He'll overextend and play top heavy, but the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced there's no way the Cowboys pass up on him in the first round. He's a prototypical guard for their system. Iupati manhandled Purdue defensive tackle Mike Neal a couple times and made it look easy - and Neal is an impressive specimen.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 27, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

mcCoy and Suh are both studs, that bodes well if they're taken in the top3. We'll get a position of need player @#4. Possibly tradeing that pick if opportunity presents itself.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 27, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

More from Animal House, the funniest movie ever made: "What we need is an incredibly stupid gesture on somebody's part.... and we're just the ones to do it."
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." "Mr. Blutarsky (about his GPA), 0.0" Blutarsky: "6 years of college down the drain."

Posted by: randysbailin | January 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Octo mom!! Octo mom !! Yuck ! Got a face like a horse and those lips look way out of whack ! Maybe if you put a flag over it! Maybe!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 27, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Any morons who didn't get enough evidence as USC's defense was consistently shredded this season still think this guys is ST21 re-incarnate?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

taylor mays = LL30 re-incarnate

Personally, I like Earl Thomas and Nate Allen better.

I'd say for FS:

Eric Berry
Nate Allen
Earl Thomas

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

rotfrau: you sound like the son of kong" what t. woods did with other woman and his wife is NOT your business. it is good that the strength and conditioning coaches were let go this team had tons of injuries this season I know the nfl is a hard game but these players many of them were not in condition. and again rotfrau if so-called americans are stupid because of the so-called educational system the question is who set up the system?...I think I have that answer, white people like YOU did it intentionally.

Posted by: wathu19 | January 27, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Quite surprising to learn the Redskins even had a strength and conditioning staff this season... given how most of the players reported for training camp out of shape, and stayed that way for the rest of the season.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 27, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say, it's refreshing to read debate on O Line drafts rather than "who's better, Campbell or Sanchez?"

Instead of "Who would win in a fight, Spiderman or Wolverine," we're debating substance.

I'm just worried since ALL new coaches ALWAYS draft a first round QB. It's like they can't coach without it.

Next time I take a new job, I'm gonna try it. I'm replacing the most visible component on day 1.

Yeah. That'll fly.

"I'm bringing in my own guy. You're gonna have to pay him 5 times what you paid your guy. And he may stink, but I can't work without him."

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 27, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

hey Snyder, you got your new coach, you're gonna get your shiny new QB, its time to change to some new uniforms, the giants went back to their "ny" uniforms, we should go back to the spear

Posted by: coparker5 | January 27, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for anyone having to look for work now, I really do. But man, we sure did need a strength training overhaul. Lack of conditioning these past 10 years is why we have so many blown fourth quarter games and so many blown hamstrings.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 28, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

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