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Redskins' Super Bowl Odds In The Tank

Man, after one game Vegas is giving the Skins no love.

For what it's worth, Bodog.com had the Skins at 40-1 to win the big salami at the start of the season ... and after Week 1 the Skins are down at 100-1, with the dregs of the NFL, with only Miami (150-1) and KC (150-1) worse.

The Skins' beating in New York had about the same effect on the Skins' odds as Tom Brady's injury did on the Pats'. Bodog had New England at 7-2 to win it all before to the start of the season, and those odds are 20-1. Obviously, Vegas has seen something with the Skins. And Bodog is hot on the Saints now. They are 10-1 to wn the big game, with just Dallas (4-1) San Diego (13-2) and Indy (15-2) ahead of them.

Not sure what this means, if anything, but I figured it was worth sharing with hamster nation.
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Dan Steinberg takes a look at Carlos Rogers' hands.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 9, 2008; 4:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

worst?

Posted by: Moose | September 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

'gosh'. That stupid stare that's supposed to be Tough just looks... stupid.

We shoulda had 3 pics on him. That team is all coaching & Defense.

Gilbride for Mayor! (A.Pierce on the under ticket)

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I also installed the Skins as 1.5 point favorites this week. You suckers have already bet that down to where the Saints are now laying a point.

Posted by: Las Vegas | September 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, you know that my capability for anything approaching commentarial profundity is limited to areas such as breakfast foods, Frank Black, ladies' unmentionables, Black Francis, and basically that gray and football-free area we define up here as "jibba jabba." Potent Potables for 500, Alex35332. Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 9, 2008 1:50 PM

nate, tell the truth. dennis miller is your favorite comedian isn't he?

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowls odds? You gotta be kidding me. I think what you meant to say was "I got nothin."

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Quick, name a spreadable food that tastes great on crackers.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:37 PM

Stinky, stinky, oozing bleu cheese (I'm thinking Spanish Cabrales ... or maybe that Cambezola stuff).

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

... or St. Agur

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hi there, what did Vegas have us as, after we dropped our first two games last year??

I thought so....

Posted by: The 2007 Giants | September 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

PLAYOFFS!?!?!??!

Immortal Mora rides again

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

IT'S ALL THE FRONT-OFFICE'S FAULT?!?!?!...wait a minute, did I say that already?

Posted by: JLa | September 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

++++Dik,

I agree because I see a huge black hole heading towards Washington.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 4:12 PM+++

If you're an atomic collider scientist from Switzerland, Skinz, you're scarin' the crap out of me.

Anyone who doesn't get the reference, is spending too much time on this board.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 9, 2008 4:40 PM

Cork,

Anyone who would confuse me with a scientist of any kind far less one that works CERN isn't spending enough time reading my posts on this board. Zero point Zero my friend.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I've been ground down to a knub......

Posted by: The Axe | September 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowls odds? You gotta be kidding me. I think what you meant to say was "I got nothin."

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:41 PM

Not only has he got nothing, he's got nothing to do. Guy must be way down on his priorities list for interesting topics to write about before he reaches:

1315. Look up betting odds in Vegas.

And after he does it, he's forced to write "I don't know what this means." Of course, next one on the list was:

1316. Favorable review of latest Doodlebops concert.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

top 20

Posted by: NinjaTickets.com | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm still asking ... how many games do the Skins need to win this season for Zorn to keep his job?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Whenever this can find some news that is not good, he'll pot it. LOL

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

dont know about crackers but heard your mom has a nice spread


OOOhhhhh

Posted by: other Anonymous | September 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

i'm picking the bears to win it all this year...(sorry smack!)they looked really really good.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's column on Carlos's hands:

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me."

For some reason, this just made me laugh out loud...Yes, Carlos, they are trying to double move you. I'm pretty sure I could double move you with my mom throwing the pass.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I only posted that vegas crap because I couldn't find an "NFL Exectutive" wink, wink, to give me anything negative about this team.....drat...

Posted by: Jla | September 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

al, the question should be not if zorn can keep his job. question should be what will it take for danny to fire vinny? how many losses? how many ruined seasons? why should zorn alone get fired even after 0 wins this season? who hired him?

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm still asking ... how many games do the Skins need to win this season for Zorn to keep his job?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM

I'm giving him an 85% chance if he wins 7 games, and about 45% chance if he wins 6.

Which way Snyder leans for those two percentages depends on the momentum to end the season.

Anything 8 or greater, Zorn keeps his job. Anything 5 or less, Zorn gets the boot.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

dealer--I'm betting that Vinny has three years, four max, to get the team on the right track. Zorn has at least two years, unless the team blows up -- and it isn't just about winning but about "progress".

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

No matter how many he wins, he's staying.

Firing him after one year, is exactly the knee-jerk reaction that got this team into the problems they had when Snyder first bought the team.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

4th - interested in Kyle Orton?

Posted by: zornskins | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

Zorn gets fired before Vinny if things go bad. Thats why the question is about Zorn and how many wins.

Its possible if Zorn goes, Vinny could be close behind. Depends on how well he fakes choking at racquetball ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

dealio, that's silly talk. Zorn stays. Vinny stays. Campbell stays. Snyder stays. They all stay. All those hiring meetings at The Owner's Estate last winter/spring ... they locked pinkies and made a pledge ... they are going to ride this out come what may.

That said, Blache maybe gets canned ...

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

DOUBLE MOVE!

Posted by: DOUBLE MOVE! | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Whenever thESE POSTERS can find some news that is not good, he'll poSt it. LOL

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Al, to make that prediction would mean we all knew Snyder's master plan, or better put, that Snyder knew Snyder's master plan, Snyder acts like an 18 year old virgin with a fistful of ones at the club, he's hyper, and just wants everything and wants it all right now. What he doesn't realize is NFL isn't fair like it is at the club, and you can't just get what you want for a buck, the NFL is like a real life relationship, it takes time and effort and you have to really work at it and be patient and having fantasy in the end just causes you pain, suffering, and disappointment. BUT, if you actually are able to build a winner, its the greatest thing in the world. All that said, if you believe Snyder wants to throw his fist of ones and the prettiest girl in the room (Cowher) I don't think it matters how many lapdance...I mean wins...Zorn gives him. Now if you believe Snyder is finally tired of the shallow, not as attractive women when the lights are on...I mean coaches....and will stick with what he has for a while then I think Zorn gets year one as grace and that he better produce in year two .500 or better.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

said the man who wants to bench Campbell.....

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

No matter how many he wins, he's staying.

Firing him after one year, is exactly the knee-jerk reaction that got this team into the problems they had when Snyder first bought the team.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM

Is that your prediction? Or just what you would do if you were Snyder?

Remember, we're not talking about the most patient, rational owner of all-time. And he expects a division title and a deep playoff run for "success" this season.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, can we discuss how the over/under on this week's game is 42.5 ... and the spread is ONE point!?!?

Also, anyone notice Frost's shank-a-roonie for the Pack last night? It was like old times ... only not on my team ... good times ...

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Thats my prediction.....

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Remember, we're not talking about the most patient, rational owner of all-time. And he expects a division title and a deep playoff run for "success" this season.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM

I kind of choked on that myself. I would consider that a "miracle." I would say 3-3 in the NFC East would be a "success" ... maybe even 2-4.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Tweeeeeeeeeet!! [a minute late; I was taking a dooker]

Posted by: 5pm whistle | September 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

said the man who wants to bench Campbell.....

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 4:57 PM

we gotta work on our communication....I said if we're 0 - 5 and Campbell looks as bad as he did against the Giants you're darn right I want to bench him. If he looks good and we're still losing than fine, let him play and rebuild our defense and line in the offseason around him. But I don't think its fair to call Zorn a bust after 1 game. I do however think after 4 years and a never ending string of excuses that if JC looks like crap for the first half of the season that it is fair to bench him and give somebody else a shot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

i didn't say fire zorn. i said it's silly to say zorn should be fired even if he doesn't win any games. i'm saying the fingers should be pointed at the FO if skins are bad. look they already spent their next year's 2nd round pick...as if they were going to contend for a superbowl and a defensive end was all they needed.

btw...i'm watching my girl oprah (with all the olympic athletes...) and i think phelps should play WR for the skins...

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, sween. I have to think Snyder is sick and tired of all this cataclysmic change, especially since the returns have not been so great. Yes, two head coaches up and quit on him (Spurrier and Gibbs), but he was never committed to Norval and then he showed Marty the door after one season. And nary a title to show for it.

These guys HAVE to give Zorn more than one season. Unless they see something that indicates he's utterly incapable of running an NFL team. But giving him only one season would be crazy, after plucking him out of position coach obscurity and giving him the keys. It would show that they not only don't know football, they don't know their own minds... would be troubling.

I think J.Campbell will get the full season in this system unless, again, they see something that indicates he's utterly incapable of quarterbacking an NFL team. And getting rid of Campbell, as above, would show they know neither football nor their own minds. I think it would be more of an open competition for the job among Campbell, Collins and Colt next offseason.

One idiot's opinion...

We gotta win football games, is all.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Danny fires Vinny and Hires Vince McMahon(WWE). Vince brings in a boat load a talent only problem we forefit all our games because the whole team is juiced up, but we make an apperance at the super bowl and take out the NFC champs in the locker room before the game. we suit up in their uniforms and win.

Posted by: Great One | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Schottenheimer got fired, not b/c of wins-losses, but because there were "personality and philisophical differences". Norv Turner should have been fired before Snyder got here. To Snyder's credit, he did not fire Gibbs or Spurrier. Both those guys left on their own.

Maybe the right question is: How long can Zorn tolerate the Baby Huey owner before he starts eyeing the door?

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

i think phelps should play WR for the skins...

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:04 PM

I think he would be a like a fish out of water. [Because he sure as fSJK swims like a fish when he's IN the water.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

i missed the shank...darn!

lol@greg and jack...

at the end it's zorn's call. and whatever decision he makes regarding JC i hope that all of you are okay with and satisfied with.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

So far:

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?was there a number in there?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I do however think after 4 years and a never ending string of excuses that if JC looks like crap for the first half of the season that it is fair to bench him and give somebody else a shot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:02 PM

Zorn has the independence to do that. Gibbs didn't because he drafted the guy and gave up a lot to do it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

4th - interested in Kyle Orton?

Posted by: zornskins | September 9, 2008 4:54 PM

Yes.

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

you guys dont get it, Danny thinks this is a business. this is football, it is not run like a regular business. in the job market that is how they operate fire someone, bring in a new person when they fail, fire them and repeat. but in football you need cohesion. you cant just continue to fire people and think the new person will win it, it aint going to happen, not now, not never

Posted by: Great One | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I thought Norv left because he had that problem with the whole "winning the game" thing ... and the "big plays" deficit ... plus the wottle.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think he would be a like a fish out of water. [Because he sure as fSJK swims like a fish when he's IN the water.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM

Does this mean he's a good Phit for the 'Phins?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

All Zorn needs to do to keep his job is quote lines from "All the right moves" while The Danny is sipping Henny in his Hot-Tub and the Vinninator rubs his feet.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th- Are you in the League Redcoat or League Nate(not that there's anything wrong with that)?

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2008 4:37 PM

League Nate. NAte is actually on top by virtue of points......

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

When's kost coming up and talking about who's winning his tipping contest?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Glorified speaking worked for Reagan.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 4:33 PM

That's what I thought. Thanks for the learning lesson.

I thought FDR actually got stuff done?

Lincoln too?

Dealer - I read his accomplishments. Maybe it's the way I look at accomplishments, but I didn't see much.

In no way am I endorsing anyone. Just saying........

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 4:56 PM

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

at the end it's zorn's call. and whatever decision he makes regarding JC i hope that all of you are okay with and satisfied with.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM

Yeah, and I'm hoping the Israelis and the Palestinians hug it out and exchange "bygones" ... but I'm not holding my breath for it.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's column on Carlos's hands:

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me."

For some reason, this just made me laugh out loud...Yes, Carlos, they are trying to double move you. I'm pretty sure I could double move you with my mom throwing the pass.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 4:48 PM

I laughed at it too. They're not trying to double move you, they are successfully double moving you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

So far:

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?was there a number in there?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:07 PM

5, but 1 has to be against an NFC East team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's column on Carlos's hands:

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me."

For some reason, this just made me laugh out loud...Yes, Carlos, they are trying to double move you. I'm pretty sure I could double move you with my mom throwing the pass.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 4:48 PM

I laughed at it too. They're not trying to double move you, they are successfully double moving you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 5:12 PM

I found it kind of funny that it seems that everyone else on the team (or at least they guys they interviewed) also know and acknowledge that Carlos sucks at catching the ball...would have been nice to know this before we spend a 9 overall on him, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Star Wars was something... We're still paying for it...

It's not a big statue on the face of a cliff.. but... I bet it could carve it with that: "Giant Space Laazer", right scott?

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

greg,

In the offseason, I would have agreed with you. Snyder handpicked Zorn against popular opinion, and he will want to do everything in his power to make sure Zorn succeeds so that Synder won't be laughed at by every other NFL entity for being an idiot (if Zorn fails).

However, I didn't think it was possible for this talented of a team to look as bad as it did this week (and the previous 2 preseason games). If Zorn can't right the ship during the season, and the team continues to look as disorganized, unprepared, and uninspired as they did last week, then Zorn is gone. This isn't a proven coach who has shown that his methods work with time. We have no idea whether he ever can work with this team. I truly hope he can and does work out, but he's not Schottenheimer or Gibbs or Cowher, and he has to prove that he deserves a 2 or 3 year leash. We'll see.

I'm hoping for the best and I think he's got a good shot, but I'm not ready to hand everything over to Zorn just yet.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

3 wins and he stays...

but 0-2 wins would embarrass snyder to much to not switch....

Could we be looking at a Cam Cameron situation?

I think not, but thats what it would take to bounce Zorn

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Not only has he got nothing, he's got nothing to do. Guy must be way down on his priorities list for interesting topics to write about before he reaches:
1315. Look up betting odds in Vegas.
And after he does it, he's forced to write "I don't know what this means." Of course, next one on the list was:
1316. Favorable review of latest Doodlebops concert.
Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM

He's prob on right now on AM1370 Fox Sports Bmore with Jerry Coleman. Coleman was pimpin JLa's coming today on the radio ads today while I was listening to Czabe in the morning..........

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's column on Carlos's hands:

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me."

For some reason, this just made me laugh out loud...Yes, Carlos, they are trying to double move you. I'm pretty sure I could double move you with my mom throwing the pass.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 4:48 PM

I laughed at it too. They're not trying to double move you, they are successfully double moving you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 5:12 PM

I found it kind of funny that it seems that everyone else on the team (or at least they guys they interviewed) also know and acknowledge that Carlos sucks at catching the ball...would have been nice to know this before we spend a 9 overall on him, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 5:15 PM

Would have been even more nice to know he was so susceptible to the double move.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

are you comparing jack and greg to israeli and palestinians? it can't be THAT bad. i'm sorry but i can't rember anything from last year...what were you two (greg and jack) "fighting" about?

4th, i just think we'll be better off with obama than mccain. and i hope once he gets in the office he's not the second coming of jimmy carter.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I think he would be a like a fish out of water. [Because he sure as fSJK swims like a fish when he's IN the water.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:06 PM

Does this mean he's a good Phit for the 'Phins?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:09 PM

He'd sure improve your Super Bowl Odds...in the tank.

Posted by: SMACK | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

lol, Al, I don't know if there was a number in there, its complicated, if old snyder is still around then it may have to be 8 wins, if new snyder truly exists I think Zorn gets a pass this year no matter how many games he loses.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me."

i thought this was a joke? he actually said "double move" lol...

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

are you comparing jack and greg to israeli and palestinians? it can't be THAT bad. i'm sorry but i can't rember anything from last year...what were you two (greg and jack) "fighting" about?

4th, i just think we'll be better off with obama than mccain. and i hope once he gets in the office he's not the second coming of jimmy carter.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:19 PM

No no, Greg and I are a knew argument today, not anything old, and even though we are arguing it has been very civil so far, he just really like JC and I'm not sold and I think if JC doesn't start playing better soon that the leash is shorter than we might think, and in my mind it should be.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Jasno, just don't post, if you've got nothing left today.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

lol it was supposed to be we are a new argument, I have a like learning disability when it comes to typing no and new, I always do know and knew, its kinda creepy....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

what a bunch of losers on the wiki. Chris Larry looks like he just escaped from St. E's. etrod looks like a woman (complete with breasts). No wonder they suck: horrible fan base.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ah yes the old double movement...i've done that a few times myself

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Who is taking the money on who gets fired/traded first? My money says Campbell, not Zorn. And btw, plz note that in the process of saying that, i've not had to personally demean anyone. Use the example.

Posted by: forces | September 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Rogers ... I think he's a solid tackler ... very low yards after contact. His hands will always be his Achilles' heel. I still think he's a reliable corner.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

lance armstrong is coming out of retirement

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

there has only been demeaning between greg and cl today over what constitutes a lie, greg and I have been fine, just disagreeing

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I have a like learning disability where I try to translate the alphabet soup handles up here into pronounceable words. And it can be frustrating. Like when I just quit on zcezcest and started calling him "Zeke."

To that end, zjfr2 always makes me think "zephyr." Even though I have to elide the "j" to make that work. Which is sort of funny because, you know, J is for Jack.

Erm...like Jasno, I got nothin'. Again.

Ahem.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

dealer, it was actually in a print article in the WaPo (last year? 2006?) that Rogers said something like "He just put a double move on me ... you can't stop the double move."

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I gotta put my money on JC, he was Gibbs' pick and he has sputtered to date, Zorn is the fresh new pick of the new regime, gotta think his leash is longer than JC's at this point.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I hear "zuh-JEF-er-two" in my head when I read "zjfr2" ... agree to disagree.

[I still hear "ZHEE-zest" in my head when I read "Al Zeke etc" ... but that's because that was how it was SUPPOSED to be read.]

[Also, pay no attention to my admission that I hear voices in my head. They're cool. They're with me.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

So far:

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?somewhere between 0 and 8?
scampbell 5
chRis laRrY 3

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

lance armstrong is coming out of retirement

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 5:31 PM

That's a surprise. I didn't think he'd have the balls to do it.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, put me down for 2 ... that's one louder than Cam Cameron in Miami.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Last year at this time we were probably discussing how great it was to squeak out a win over the Fins.

(how funny is that?)

Which is worse, game 1 last year or this year?

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Chris Larry looks like he just escaped from St. E's."

huh?

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow. We're really discussing the end of Zorn's Redskins career after one game?

Ok, I'll bite:

3 is the magic number. Anything under three and he's seriously in jeopardy. Anything below 7 and there are legitimate calls for his dismissal, though I don't think they'll go through.

There's enough blame to go around here. You can't pin it all on the coarch.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

4 wins Zeke.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 came from when they made us register, it was part of the original email address (no longer in service you stalkers) I used when I registered at waspo years ago (2004) and when registration happened it just used that as my handle so I stuck with it. It's meaningless, a random group of letters a company I worked for gave me.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Gave me a double move and kind of ran towards the middle of the field; can't do nothing about it," Rogers said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121000900.html

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

You can't pin it all on the coarch.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:39 PM

I feel like I'm playing volleyball and Dik just shouted "set" ... I propose an RI competition to follow up on this typo.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Rogers ... I think he's a solid tackler ... very low yards after contact. His hands will always be his Achilles' heel. I still think he's a reliable corner.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:31 PM

This team has a lot of problems and Carlos Rogers is one of the least of them. Guy has come back big from his injury last season. He broke both hands and can't catch the ball, right?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

So far:

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?somewhere between 0 and 8?
scampbell 5
chRis laRrY 3
dcsween 2
Dik 3
4-12 4 (4-12 gets the job done -- shoulda seen that coming)

On average so far ... 4 wins

anymore want to toss in their predictions??

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh what the heel I'll join the guessing game bandwagon.

1 game win but only if it's against the Cowpaddies otherwise at least 3 . . .

and at least 1 of them has to be in the final 2 weeks of the season . . . so if the Skins lose 13 games but 10 of them are by less than 7 points and the game attendance at FedEx field averages 76,451 and the average beer consumption is $68.23 per person while the parking revenue exceeds 10% of last years first quarter returns and train A leaves Union Station traveling 68 mph while train B leaves Union Station traveling 68 kph both on their way to Philly for the game and each passenger has an average of $0.63 in their pockets then Zorn will keep his job.

Otherwise he is so totally shticanned and my mom will 3 times as old as my theoritical child on January 16, 2046.

Posted by: sfskin | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

AL, I do think the number of wins is directly related to how many rings (if any) it takes for Bill Coweher to answer his phone in the offseason.

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It's meaningless, a random group of letters a company I worked for gave me.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM

First they gave you a name like that and then they tried to make it okay by telling you "It's random Zjeifer 2. You drew the short straw." Good thinking to move on, Jack.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE V BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE BIG BLUE


GONNA WIN THE NFC EAST

Posted by: New York baller | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

'twasn't a typo!! You're supposed to pronounce it that way: 'coarch' - it's ... footbally...

Ever watch StrongBad? coarch zee? nuthin'?... buehler? ...buehler?


...I should have predicated with 'da'. as in.. Da Coarch.


Come to think of it - you're way is funnier! Typo it is! let the games begnin.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Re-reading that article from the 2006 home loss to the Eagles, I just figured out why Grilliams didn't land the HC job ... echoes of Norval ...

" ... 'We've just got to come up with some big plays,' assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams said. ..."

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Rogers ... I think he's a solid tackler ... very low yards after contact. His hands will always be his Achilles' heel. I still think he's a reliable corner.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:31 PM

This team has a lot of problems and Carlos Rogers is one of the least of them. Guy has come back big from his injury last season. He broke both hands and can't catch the ball, right?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:44 PM

Look, the Human Double Move is not the worst corner in the league or on our roster. He's a solid tackler and he has a mutant ability to transform his hands into rock. But at #9 overall, he's not the second coming of Champ Bailey; and it's just funny to read about a teammate like Fred Smoot ripping him for his inability to catch the ball.

Posted by: p1funk | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

New York has big blue balls? Dude - go to a massage parlor. Take care of that.

Then, ointment. Lots of ointment.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

All the above presupposed we are not sucked into a black hole of our own making. . . and I don't mean that metaphorically vis a vis our beloved football team.

Posted by: sfskin | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Those who think JG 2.0 wasn't a farce answer me this: why did he stay with Brunnel longer than John Boy Walton lived at home?

LMAO

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

anymore want to toss in their predictions??

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:45 PM

4 wins keeps Zorn a job, unless Cowher wants it. The un-talent on this team is not suited for the WCO.

Posted by: Whambulance | September 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

AL, I do think the number of wins is directly related to how many rings (if any) it takes for Bill Coweher to answer his phone in the offseason.

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM

Cowher's not in the future. This team is on a big time economy move -- definitely cheaped down on the coaching payroll and in moving out of the first round of the draft.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Question and please, keep the dumb comments to yourself.

Why not play Taylor at LB for atleast some of the game, I think he is fast enough and this would keep huge lineman off him. He can blitz from different areas and be more effective.

That way you could play Evans at the same time.

I am probably an idiot but what do you think.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

TE - shades of the Marlins in DC, eh?

I don't think Cowher wants any piece of The Danny, either..

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

As you all know Joe Gibbs started out 0-5, so anything is possible. Regardless of wins and losses, if Zorn and the team show marked improvement as the season wears on then I think he stays. If they look like they did last week for the rest of the season, then a change will likely be warranted if not demanded.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me just lie down here a little while. This has happened before. If I lie still, all the pins in my coarch will go away.

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You can't put a pin in that coarch! That's private property!

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They are who we thought they were! They are who we thought they were! So pin a coarch in them already!

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Pin, pin, percoarch to dream.

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

TE, I agree to a point. Danny get's what Danny wants, and he has always been happy with the big splash coach, even after not going after the big name players. Of course, THe Jaw may not want to work without total control. But who knows, Money talks!

Either way, there is not enough brain power in this FO to right the ship.

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I am probably an idiot but what do you think.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM

What a great idea for a blog handle. I'm definitely taking it out of a test drive! Thanks, Flounder.

Posted by: I am probably an idiot but what do you think? | September 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

So far:

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?somewhere between 0 and 8?
scampbell 5
chRis laRrY 3
dcsween 2
Dik 3
4-12 4 (4-12 gets the job done -- shoulda seen that coming)
sfskin 3
Whambulance 4

Last chance before I close this survey up ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, you're on double secret probation! jk

While I don't think you're entirely off in concept - JT isn't about to go learning an entirely new concept at his age (imho).

Additionally, his advantage is his size & athleticism - it can get him around larger, slower O-Linemen.

That said, he does drop back to cover from time to time and can be successful that way. One of the few Dolphins highlights last year was his interception return for a TD.

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

5

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

alright kiddos - gotta start the long commute...

Rok AUN!

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Was watching NFL network and Marvin Lewis looks like a defeated man, I thought he was a defense of coach there defense sucks, I would be surprised if he is there after this year.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

9 to keep his job.

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Last chance before I close this survey up ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:59 PM

Put me down for 5, although I really think he can win fewer if there are "mitigating circumstances" -- injuries, Campbell blows up, beat Dallas twice -- that sort of thing.

Posted by: I am probably an idiot but what do you think? | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Last chance before I close this survey up ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 5:59 PM

Put me down for 5, although I really think he can win fewer if there are "mitigating circumstances" -- injuries, Campbell blows up, beat Dallas twice -- that sort of thing.

Posted by: I am probably an idiot but what do you think? | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If we only win 3-4 then the climate of the lockeroom and the attitude of the players is going to hopefully play a role. If Zorn can't get the players behind him in any noticeable way then it may be buh-bye although there is always the Coughlin example in NY.
At some point we'll just have to call him Daniel "Al Davis Jr." Snyder.

Posted by: sfskin | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I am probably an idiot but what do you think.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM

I think I probably am too ... but it makes sense to me. Marcus can do the three position too. Might be good to spell Rocky once in a while. Taylor has played all over the field (not Adalius Thomas all over the field, but at least up as a LB).

I'm all for some deception and misdirection. That was my other problem with the game last week ... nothing tricky. Reading about how Jimzorn doesn't like the shotgun b/c the D knows a pass is coming ... well duh! Even I could tell when a pass was coming. The offense is too new (and too much a work in progress) to actually do any deception ... why NOT just go to the shotgun?!?!

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

9 to keep his job.

Posted by: Danny's Boyz | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Loseable type - oh well.

Pin a coarch in me, I'm done ;]]

Posted by: Dik | September 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Was watching NFL network and Marvin Lewis looks like a defeated man, ...

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 6:04 PM

He is.

Night folks!

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
zjfr2 ?somewhere between 0 and 8?
scampbell 5
chRis laRrY 3
dcsween 2
Dik 3
4-12 4 (4-12 gets the job done -- shoulda seen that coming)
sfskin 3
Whambulance 4
Flounder 5

Polls closed.

Avg wins Zorn needs to keep his job: 3.6

So if Zorn goes 4-12, he keeps his job. WoW!!

Bonus points to Greg for being the being the biggest Zoptimist (thats a Zorn optimist)

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I say, I say Boy...hold on a minute there. I say I aint a had a chance to vote. Put me down for 5 wins I say a 5 wins.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | September 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Lance coming out of retirement? Was he recently in Jamaica?

Posted by: LH | September 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I say, I say Boy...hold on a minute there. I say I aint a had a chance to vote. Put me down for 5 wins I say a 5 wins.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | September 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

quick addendum
another 5 and 9 to the mix ... brings the avg to 4.2 wins.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I say, I say Boy...now hold on a minute there. I say I aint a had a chance to vote. Put me down for 5 wins I say a 5 wins.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Foghorn,

Your doing it all wrong son, I say your doing it all wrong.

You did the dreaded triple post.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The shame is a killin me. If I aint the dumbest bird that ever pecked a keyboard I don't know what I am. I say I'm a dumb bird. My chad is a hangin in infamy.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | September 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

So, because the Jets with Favre beat the previously 1-15 Dolphins by 6 points, they are a better bet than how many other clubs?

Ha!

Posted by: Roy Hobbs | September 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody say poll dancers?

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

How many wins does Zorn need to keep his job?

Zeke: 6
psps 6
Greg 0
scampbell 5
chRis laRrY 3
dcsween 2
Dik 3
4-12 4
sfskin 3
Whambulance 4
Flounder 5
I am probably ... 9
Danny's Boyz 5
Foghorn Leghorn 5

avg is now 4.3 wins

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Greg. He doesn't need any wins. I believe the FO's internal expectations for this season are not very high. Otherwise, why:
1) go with guy who has never run so much as a practice as your head man;
2) let the new guy change the offense on your struggling "franchise" QB whose lack of production is always excused because he hasn't been allowed to adjust to a system; and
3) why keep a bunch of rookies on the roster who you don't really expect to contribute.

Posted by: LH | September 9, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

coarch.

what GG yelled when archingabus tried to play d?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Encoarchment. Five yard penalty on Foghorn Leghorn.

Posted by: SMACK | September 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess LH did not see the comments Snyder made about his expectations for this season. He thinks this team can go far in the playoffs.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh nice, Foghorn gets three votes to our one...what is this Dade County?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Apparently you did not notice that I wrote "internal expectations." Those would be expectations that are not for public consumption.

Posted by: LH | September 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins will kick the Saints bbuttssss this weekend! Guaranteed!

Posted by: JoeyV | September 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Coarch Karily needs to spike one in Danny's face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

drinks are on joeyV, since he's bet the mortgage! thankee joey!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins go 4-12 or 6-10, why should Snyder fire Zorn? A new coach would mean a new offense, and another 4-12 season.

PATIENCE people!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It's the season guys!!! We have all off season to be negative, though JLaC loves the negative nancy approach.

Posted by: JoeyV | September 9, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

So, with Redcoat disabling the Waivers in our Fantasy League, what does that mean for my 1 pending transaction?

Posted by: kost2 | September 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

This may have already been reported but Billy McMullen visited the Seahawks today.

Posted by: Lisa | September 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

What does that mean for my 3 pending waiver transactions?

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I think we're in trouble Stumped!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Vegas did see something: Philadelphia, Dallas and New York. Same argument to be made for Miami - after playing one game, they are down one game to every team in a tough division. KC is there because they belong.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I think we're in trouble Stumped!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 7:42 PM

Kost--What was the outcome of the tipping? Can you post the link again?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

COAT!
Hey BRO, gotta fix the waiver processing.

My team sucks and I need to manage it into oblivion.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Terrell Davis just said on the NFLN that he played in the West Coast offense and that it is very challenging and takes a long time to learn. TD said the Skins may have it by next year but this year he indicated will be a wash for us.

Posted by: Lisa | September 9, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Even if you fix it. I'm, still sC3wed.
I'm last in the order.


Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

This may have already been reported but Billy McMullen visited the Seahawks today.

Posted by: Lisa | September 9, 2008 7:21 PM

Lot of wide receivers were trying out today -- this from NFL.com:

Other wide receivers also were in the news. The Titans worked out David Kircus, Rechee Caldwell, Chad Jackson and Glenn Martinez. Both Kircus and Martinez know Tennessee’s offensive system from the time they spent in Denver.

Seattle is in desperate need of receivers. It worked out Sammie Parker, Billy McMullen, Mike Hass, Devale Ellis and Mark Bradford. Maybe the most interesting move the Seahawks made was cutting P Ryan Plackemeier and signing former Packers P Jon Ryan. The Seahawks also cut WR Jordan Kent.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Kost,
The league office (LO) is killing me.

Makes me wish I was playing in Nate's League of misfit hamsters.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I forgot to post the FF asterisks.

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That should cover it.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse


Last year at this time we were probably discussing how great it was to squeak out a win over the Fins.

(how funny is that?)

Which is worse, game 1 last year or this year?

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008
5:38 PM


Reposted...so, maybe the sky is'nt falling. I'll keep posting this until Redcoat fixes the waivers...yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Shawne Merriman played San Diego's season opener with two torn ligaments in his left knee. He won't play again this season, as the Chargers will place Merriman on injured reserve so he can undergo reconstructive surgery.

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

TE, the link is www.oztips.com

Week 1 RI Tipping Comp Standings

11 BCBarney
11 Kost52
11 SMACKDB10
10 Nate in the PDX
10 talent evaluator
9 4-12
9 Azeese
9 myrtlebeachmike
8 Lady_In_Red
7 Zeebs

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Kost,
The league office (LO) is killing me.

Makes me wish I was playing in Nate's League of misfit hamsters.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 8:01 PM

Nah, you don't want to be in the B Grade, too easy to win down there, at least in our league there's some competition!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zen can go 1-15, be all right by me, and also keep his job with the Washington Redskins.

Zen is not the problem.

FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse


WR-WR-TE


Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins will earn their first victory of the season in week 16 against the San Franssico 49ers.

Other than that, week six, against the Rams, will be a real nail biter.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Chia! That's being a tad negative isn't it?

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm still asking ... how many games do the Skins need to win this season for Zorn to keep his job?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc

Al Zeke etc,

What difference does it make? See comments/decisions like yours are the reason that there is no conitnutiy in the organization.

What if the "TEAM" only wins 3 games, should he be fired?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posters here gotta be young punks....You all need to get a clue!

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

Yes, I'm being negative.

However, based on what we all witnessed last week, there is no real cause for optimism.

This team is a mess. It will be no sooner than Week 8 before it begins to get mopped up.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Zen is not the problem.

FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

WR-WR-TE

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 8:39 PM

Chia, Zorn was the coach when Vinnie made those picks. You don't think that's what Zorn said he needed?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

Do you have anything good to say about this team?

Did you expect the team to go 16 - 0?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

No, TE, I don't.

As much as I like Jim Zen, I believe he was deemed least likely to challenge the FO, and for this, among other reasons, was named head coach.

Don't you find it odd that Zen would name Campbell the starter before he even saw him take one snap in pre season?

Zen accepted this job on a number of pre-conditions, Campbell as starting QB, was only one of them.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

You're upset that we played awful against the Superbowl Champs, and lost by 9? To me, while I am very disappointed in how we played, I'm optimistic about the rest of the season because, we can only improve, we were always going to start slow (with a tough early schedule and a new Head Coach/Offense).

There's a reason they make you play all 16 weeks, this thing is a marathon, not a sprint.

Anyway, we can always take a leaf out of Stephen Bradbury's book-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQMJtilOGg

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

Why are you so negative with in all your post?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Chia must have a terrible life and takes it out on this board.

If it sucks so much to root for this team, go root elsewhere, front runner.

Got root for Dallas.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I see some good things about the Redskins, skip: I still like the logo. I also think Rock Cartwright is a cool name for a football player.

As Charles Mann pointed out, how does a team come out so flat for a season opener against the world champs?

I saw no verve, no tenacity, no explosiveness, on the part of either the D Line or the O line. I saw a secondary get picked clean by Eli Manning. I saw Portis trip all over himself. I saw Jason Campbell looking like a fish out of water.

Please...

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make? See comments/decisions like yours are the reason that there is no conitnutiy in the organization.

What if the "TEAM" only wins 3 games, should he be fired?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 8:51 PM

Yea, because he makes all the decisions concerning the team. His comments will make or break us for sure. Quick, make a comment about winning out!

See skippy, I believe what he was trying to insinuate was "How long of a leash in terms of wins and losses do you thinl Coarch Zorn has before he can expect the ax."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Chia never has anytihg good to post. He must be related to Jason LaConfora.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

scanpbell or whoever you are you are just as negative as Chia. Why do you all root for this team?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Young jerks that know nothing about the NFL or life.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I see some good things about the Redskins, skip: I still like the logo. I also think Rock Cartwright is a cool name for a football player.

As Charles Mann pointed out, how does a team come out so flat for a season opener against the world champs?

I saw no verve, no tenacity, no explosiveness, on the part of either the D Line or the O line. I saw a secondary get picked clean by Eli Manning. I saw Portis trip all over himself. I saw Jason Campbell looking like a fish out of water.

Please...

Yeah, you are quite a piece of work. Again if it is that bad go root for the Ravens like your boy JLa

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

We are on track to go 15-1!!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, my name is S. Campbell and I'm a card carrying member of the Kool Aid drinkers club. Have been for many years. Negative I am not (at least not about the skins.) But I agree, Chia is very negative, and Kost posted the poll.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

TT, i'll say it again. i am an independent and i side with republicans on most issues. major issues. like foreign policy. i would vote for reagan, bush I. and i voted for clinton. and personally didn't care much for gore. but didn't like the result. but help me explain why would america elect an unfaithful,75 year old, diseased, that lacks judgement and makes impulsive decisions (palin) over a black dude with some creds? america can say whatever but if america was what it pretends to be this should be a landslide for obama. btw...i do believe that america is the best country in the world. canada is close second (except for the french part).

palin? are you kidding me? slap in the face to joe biden (who's actually faithful to his kids and wife(was)). and obama. so she's saying it is okay to get pregnant at the age 17? it was NOT a mistake? really? imagine obama's black girl pregnant at 17 by a black boy...

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll post positive comments when this football team gets in somebody's face and wins games on a consistent basis. Let's start with one authoritative a$$ kicking and build from there, shall we?

The final score of the game is deceiving. We got blown away by the New York Giants.

Skip, go fly a kite.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I think we're gonna win it all this year!!!
Wait is this the Caps Insider?

Posted by: Esmydee | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah scampbell it Skip not skippy, thanks!

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I saw no verve, no tenacity, no explosiveness, on the part of either the D Line or the O line. I saw a secondary get picked clean by Eli Manning. I saw Portis trip all over himself. I saw Jason Campbell looking like a fish out of water.

Please...

Posted by: Chia Pet

I agree Chia! I guess skippy will call me a young jerk too now! boo-hoo. I am old enough to have been to rfk when they were good and it pains me to see how pathetic they've become.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll post positive comments when this football team gets in somebody's face and wins games on a consistent basis. Let's start with one authoritative a$$ kicking and build from there, shall we?

The final score of the game is deceiving. We got blown away by the New York Giants.

Skip, go fly a kite.

Posted by: Chia Pet

Again, go root for a team that has what you are looking for cause it sure must not be here with that attitide you have. You and your boy Charles Mann.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Young jerks that know nothing about the NFL or life.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:09 PM

Someone forgot to take their geritol this morning. Why don't you post something about something instead of just throwing around baseless accusations about people that you don't know. So far you have proven your football IQ to be 0.0. Let's see what you know about football, I don't really care what you think you know about life.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

We are on track to go 15-1!!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:11 PM

So let it be written...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I have been rooting since the wer playing in Griffith stadium.

As I said if you don't like the product go to another store. That's what I would do! But I guess that would be anormal reaction ans from the looks of things you are not quite normal.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Skip, go fly a kite.

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 9, 2008 9:12 PM


Chia, only young punks or jerks fly kites.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

who do you think is credited with taking the QB position to its lofty position of today? (hint) think long ago, and a former redskin.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I have been rooting since the wer playing in Griffith stadium.

As I said if you don't like the product go to another store. That's what I would do! But I guess that would be anormal reaction ans from the looks of things you are not quite normal.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:16 PM

Actually Skip to the Loo, that's what we're all looking for, and we're looking for it right here. I would be willing to bet most of us have been long suffering skins fans and would like to get back to winning. I don't want to go to another store, I'm willing to go through the pains, but I will b!tch about it if I want. I tell you what, if you don't want to hear it, go to another blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Someone forgot to take their geritol this morning. Why don't you post something about something instead of just throwing around baseless accusations about people that you don't know. So far you have proven your football IQ to be 0.0. Let's see what you know about football, I don't really care what you think you know about life.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The way you act says all I need to know about ya! I deal with "YOUNG" or "IMMATURE" people of your caliber everyday. Heck I read this board often and all you guys do is harp on the negative.

So don't come at me with you blah blah blah about knowing you. Don't need to and don't want to. Just asking to keep the negatives to you and yours.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

After week one:
How much did the odds lower for Buffalo?
How much did they skyrocket for the Pats?

Man, I was surprised by how the Bears went into Indy and really physically manhandled each of the lines of the Colts.

Oh,
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 9, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

'Oh, the ball here.'

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | September 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I predict that it will probably take 8+ wins to keep Zen. I'm hoping that Danny was just being an A$$wipe when he made his comments, but I don't doubt them. My standard would be 4 wins and continuous improvement - i.e. we could get closer to winning throughout the season and absolutely suck (again) during a later game, but we would suck b/c of different mistakes compared to before. That would be acceptable to me. Quite simply, without continuous improvement of some sort I doubt he's staying around, and that won't be difficult after our first week.

Posted by: Karen | September 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

So don't come at me with you blah blah blah about knowing you. Don't need to and don't want to. Just asking to keep the negatives to you and yours.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:19 PM

Just asking you to go where you like what you hear.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

who do you think is credited with taking the QB position to its lofty position of today? (hint) think long ago, and a former redskin.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan

?????

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Skip,
who do you think is credited with taking the QB position to its lofty position of today? (hint) think long ago, and a former redskin

I'm surprised you haven't answered this question yet? based on griffith stadium and all!

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Karen got the right idea!

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Slingin' Sammy Baugh.

Look it up.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I posted the 5 win mark but the caveat being we had to have a win against an NFC East team. I would like to think that Danny is beginning to learn his lesson but until he proves that... Then again, Zorn is all on Vinny and Danny's head. maybe they'll stick with him and give him what he needs to be succesful.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

who do you think is credited with taking the QB position to its lofty position of today? (hint) think long ago, and a former redskin

Must be....YOU...

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah lets talk Baltimore Sports!

Jerry: So, How many Crackheads did you see on the way to the Ravens game?

JLC: Not as many as I saw on my way to the Orioles game!

Waka Waka

Posted by: Fozzy Bear | September 9, 2008 12:05 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

who do you think is credited with taking the QB position to its lofty position of today? (hint) think long ago, and a former redskin

Must be....YOU...

Posted by: Skip in Va

No, not me, just another too patient fan for the FO of my favorite team.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

longsufferingskinsfan,

Do you think that they(FO)care how you/us "long suffering fans" feel?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

longsuffering skins fan - The guy who we won it with first? Don't remember the guys name (remember also I'm only 26). Just my guess though.

Posted by: Karen | September 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

ok...Tavaris Jackson might be worse than JC...but at least when he threw the pick, he didn't pat it or pump it.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

hey! what's wrong with flying a kite? i'd only do it with the kids but it's fun.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"It's a whole lot different for Jason," Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels said. "Last year, we would make all of the [blocking calls] and pretty much make the adjustments against different blitzes. Now, Jason has to make a lot of those calls.

"It's got to be tough. It's hard enough knowing the things that I've got to know. With Jason, he has to know a ton more, so it has to be hard."

This is a quote from Samuesl. You've got to be kidding me?!? The guy is supposed to be a leader and the QB of the team. If he can't cut the mustard, sit his butt down!

Sammy baugh, aka Slingin Sammy is the QB from another era credited for taking the QB position and making the forward pass and the position so important.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Chia never has anytihg good to post. He must be related to Jason LaConfora.
chia is most closely related to the terra cotta pot just to the right of your kitchen sink. The one with that vaguely healthy, pretty much unidentifiable plant in it.

why would america elect an unfaithful,75 year old, diseased, that lacks judgement and makes impulsive decisions
dealer, when you put it that way... but at 75 (or 73), the nice thing is that when the phone rings at 3AM, he's already awake. All he's got to do is hike those britches up chest-high and he'll be ready.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

No Skippy, I'm sure the FO doesn't care as long as the rabid fan base stays so loyal through all the shenanigans.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Come on guys, we're all on the same team here! No need to get heated.

I was just trying to get Chia's spirits up, it's only Week 1 afterall.

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

where all the sexy white women at?

Posted by: gg | September 9, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"Last year, we would make all of the [blocking calls] and pretty much make the adjustments against different blitzes. Now, Jason has to make a lot of those calls.

OMG!!! you have got to be kidding me!!! you can't do that to him. no wonder he was getting his a $ $ kicked. i was like skins line didn't get that bad from last season.

zorny, trust me you don't want to put reading the blitzes part on jc. just call up gibbs he'll tell you the same. this explains why he's looked so horrible from last year.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and doesn't it suck that it's only week one! Just think, 16 more weeks of this. I can't wait for February, when we can dominate the offseason again!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I finally discovered an appropriate nickname for Jason Campbell.

Until the Redskins win their first game Jason Campbell will be known as...

"Pitty Pat"- for the way he pats the ball numerous times before throwing it.

After the first win, He'll go back to "Soup"

What do you think RI?

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Please come and get your suitcase you forgot when you were here last weekend. I know you aren't supposed to be seen talking to me as I am a hater, but I figured who's listening to this cell phone call anyways?

BTW, I spoke with our brother, Jesse, and he really does want to crush your nuts. He's still mad about not being the first.

Posted by: Rev. Jeremiah Wright | September 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

where all the sexy white women at?

Posted by: gg | September 9, 2008 9:37 PM

I thought you took them down to Jacksonville with you?

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

naice cload. did hillary start the 3AM ads or mccain?

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

you saying JC isn't capable or shouldn't have to make those calls?

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | September 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Cload, not you too man! Surely you haven't given up on the season already? Teams have bad periods, Giants lost their first two games last season, giving up 80 points! They also had a struggling QB who had question marks on whether or not he could cut it at the elite level. Now I'm not saying we're going to be this seasons Giants, but it's enough for a bit of hope isn't it?

Which was a worse performance, our 52-7 loss to the Pats last season, or last week?

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we win a game like Carolina won?

Why is Matt Ryan hittin' 80 yd TD passes on his first play in the NFL?

Why did the Eagles blow out the Rams with backup receivers (Rams stink...how many pages in that playbook Al?)

Why can't we have a Devin Hester?

Why do I have a felling that Matt Cassell will make the Pro-Bowl?

Why can't we get pick-6's? (by the way when was the last time a CB had a pick 6 on this team?)

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

longsufferingskinsfan,

Do you think that they(FO)care how you/us "long suffering fans" feel?

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:28 PM

Now, now Skippy, wouldn't want to be negative now would we?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

just read the VY story...and i'm with 4th. they're definitely trying to cover up. poor jeff fischer (this blog's official dream coach for the skins)!

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and doesn't it suck that it's only week one! Just think, 16 more weeks of this. I can't wait for February, when we can dominate the offseason again!

Posted by: cload & daggar

Did you really think that the Skins would win last Thursday?

I thought you all were "fans". LOL

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we get pick-6's? (by the way when was the last time a CB had a pick 6 on this team?)

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:44 PM


Didn't Smoot get one last year? Did you guys read the Carlos Rodgers thing from the sports bog today? I'll try to repost it to make it easier.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Sic,

Off the top of my head, Carlos had one against the Lions last season.

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The wags quickly got to wagging on Thursday that you could tell Carlos Rogers was all the way back by the comfortable manner in which he bobbled those would-be interceptions. Carlos, of course, heard that chatter about his drops, as did his coach, Jim Zorn, and his fellow starting cornerback, Fred Smoot. Here are their thoughts on the hands that launched a thousand footballs into the ground.

Smoot: "You know what, like Marcus said, either you can catch or you cain't. Either they soft or they not. I'm gonna give him till the end of this year to show me what his hands are really about. But I think he can catch the ball. I think he lose concentration sometimes."

Rogers: "We just got to concentrate, man, I think that's what it is, we just got to concentrate."

Zorn: "Well, part of it's just him working extra. And I think he's probably done that over his career, too, because people have noticed it, he's noticed it. I don't think the ball machine's necessarily the answer....For him, he hasn't connected the idea of making the play and getting great position with just putting his hands up. Some guys can do it more naturally, he seems to be a guy that has to concentrate, and so he has to become comfortable with that."

Smoot: "I've got better hands. My hands actually didn't get suspect until about the last two years. I used to have great hands. And I'm working on them getting back to great right now, but no, you can never compare my hands to Carlos's. His hands are terrible."


Rogers: "It's not [about] our hands. I'm going to my man. So by the time I get there in order to get my man under control, I look back, 'Oh, the ball here.' It ain't like I'm running [and] looking at the quarterback, it's not like that. If I'm doing that, I should catch all of them."

Smoot: "I had got to the point where I used to just really concentrate on just catching the ball instead of running. But now, I got a little bit of success running the ball; now, I want to return every one I touch to the house, and I leave the ball behind sometimes. So now it got back to the point, just catch the damn ball, and worry about the other [stuff] later."

Zorn: "Some guys can do it more naturally, [Rogers] seems to be a guy that has to concentrate, and so he has to become comfortable with that. And I think QB's throwing him the ball with the kind of velocity they throw it will help, because that's the real issue right there is the ball's coming in fast. Even if a ball machine is throwing it, it's always one speed, it's always in the same spot, and that never happens in the game. So that's really what I'm looking for, is other guys throwing him the ball."

Rogers: "I don't miss too many in practice, but at the same time, in games, they're trying to double move me. If I went looking at the quarterback thinking, 'I'm gonna pick,' he'll be up the sidelines. So it ain't just as simple as people look at it--'Oh, Carlos just missed that.' No, it's like by the time I look at it that ball's in my face, I'm trying to put my hands up quick."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Now, now Skippy, wouldn't want to be negative now would we?

Maybe you considerr thie negative, but I'm just being real. They don't care, thye just want your cash.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

longnamedude, i'm saying jc is not capable of making those calls. that's just way too much for him. honestly i don't know how that works...or how common it is for the line to make those calls and not the QB and vice versa. all i know from watching 3 (fine 2!) seasons of him play is that jc is not capable of doing that.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Now, now Skippy, wouldn't want to be negative now would we?

Maybe you considerr thie negative, but I'm just being real. They don't care, thye just want your cash.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 9, 2008 9:49 PM

Oh, I absolutely agree. The best way to keep us parting with our money and more of it is to win.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

i thought the skins would win last thursday because the gints are a really bad team at home. i still think they woulda won if the skins D wasn't all that beat up.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

longnamedude, i'm saying jc is not capable of making those calls. that's just way too much for him. honestly i don't know how that works...or how common it is for the line to make those calls and not the QB and vice versa. all i know from watching 3 (fine 2!) seasons of him play is that jc is not capable of doing that.

Posted by: dealer | September 9, 2008 9:51 PM

Well, if he didn't do it last year we really wouldn't know if he was capable of it. That said, I think they need to keep it as simple possible until he really catches on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I get what they are saying, there was one last week were you could see that Smoot was watching the receiver and didn't realise the ball was coming right at him until it was too late, he got his hands up, but couldn't hold on. I don't think it's those ones we have an issue with, it's more the ones where the DB sees the ball, makes a play on it, then just plain old drop it.

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...Carlos did have one last year at Detroit. We scored a gang of points in that game.

I don't think Smoot had one last season else we would have remembered what he said afterwards.

A pick-6 is one of the prettiest plays in football.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I get what they are saying, there was one last week were you could see that Smoot was watching the receiver and didn't realise the ball was coming right at him until it was too late, he got his hands up, but couldn't hold on. I don't think it's those ones we have an issue with, it's more the ones where the DB sees the ball, makes a play on it, then just plain old drop it.

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 9:54 PM

Oh yeah, I know, I was arguing that point with a friend earlier. Smoot had little chance at that one. I think they're just making fun of Carlos because he doesn't catch all that well even when he sees the ball coming a mile away.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree, those are most frustrating compared to the others. Either way though, when they hit stone hands, not matter whose hands they are (including Moss + our other receivers by the way), it's frustrating.

Posted by: Karen | September 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McMullen signed with Seattle. You know what'll happen next?

He'll perform well, and yet again Vinny will look foolish.

Posted by: Devo | September 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, if he didn't do it last year we really wouldn't know if he was capable of it. That said, I think they need to keep it as simple possible until he really catches on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 9:53 PM


I agree. If Zorn likes his QB's doing it, that's fine, but if JC is already struggling to learn the new offense, wouldn't it be better to wait until he's on top of that, before you burden him with additional responsibilities?

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Smoot had one last season else we would have remembered what he said afterwards.

A pick-6 is one of the prettiest plays in football.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 9:58 PM

Yea, you're right. He's only had 1 in his career. That was for Minn in 2006.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Why would the odds be any good???? JLC, post something that's worth reading!!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | September 9, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

McMullen signed with Seattle. You know what'll happen next?

He'll perform well, and yet again Vinny will look foolish.

Posted by: Devo | September 9, 2008 10:02 PM

We'll see. By the way, Vinny didn't cut McMullen, Zorn took responsibility for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

naice cload. did hillary start the 3AM ads or mccain?

Lampthrower -- that's her secret service code name -- had the first "3AM" ad.

kost -- no worries here:

Doom! Pain! Woe!
Can't wait 'till next week!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 5, 2008 7:52 AM

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

That's the spirit!!!

Posted by: kost52 | September 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"He's got McMullen over the middle...Touchdown....oh, man....Billy McMullen just claimed off waivers from Washington for the TD!!!!"

Posted by: sicwidit | September 9, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

Your a complete idiot, everything that comes out of your mouth........do me a favor and take your hands off the keyboard and go sit in a corner and think long and hard about how you have failed society.

Posted by: Jo Jo Pellegrino | September 9, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

Your a complete idiot, everything that comes out of your mouth........do me a favor and take your hands off the keyboard and go sit in a corner and think long and hard about how you have failed society.

Posted by: Jo Jo Pellegrino | September 9, 2008 10:21 PM

Gee thanks Jo Jo, you're a real swell guy. I'll just take your advice. By the way, you should thank your parents for that great name.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,

Your a complete idiot, everything that comes out of your mouth........do me a favor and take your hands off the keyboard and go sit in a corner and think long and hard about how you have failed society.

Posted by: Jo Jo Pellegrino | September 9, 2008 10:21 PM

Oh, by the way, I don't say out loud everything that I type. I would bet you've never actually heard me speak.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

This from PFT

NFLPA, NFL WORKING OUT OCHO CINCO SPAT
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 7:59 p.m.
Though it’s unclear when or if a resolution will be reached, we’re told that the NFL and the NFL Players Association are attempting to resolve the dispute regarding unsold Bengals jerseys bearing the name “C. Johnson.”

Johnson has legally changed his name to Chad Javon Ochocino (no space), and wants to put the words “Ocho Cinco” on the back of his jersey.

Despite speculation that Reebok wants upwards of $4 million before it will agree to the change, we’re told that the number is less than $800,000.

Of course, this likely means that it’s more than $750,000, and that’s a big price to pay for what amounts to a vanity license plate that you wear on your back.


Now don't get me wrong, but don't they have something a little more important that they should be working on?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Like figuring out how to get rid of Danny?

How come these conspiracy theories never result in highly unlikely, favorable outcomes?

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Now don't get me wrong, but don't they have something a little more important that they should be working on?
Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 10:33 PM


Need
Funding
League

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The 3 am phone call idea originated with a McCain supporter

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/hrcs_new_ad.html

Posted by: Fact Checker | September 9, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Fact Checker | September 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

The 3 am phone call idea originated with a McCain supporter

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/hrcs_new_ad.html

Posted by: Fact Checker | September 9, 2008 10:59 PM

Read the post "Fact Checker," and get your facts straight. It says the idea is similar from the Mondale campaign in '84. I don't see where it says that it comes from a McCain supporter. Did you think no one would read it and you could just spew whatever without really having to back it up?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Ah, okay. Interesting. Stll, the Mondale campaign was many years before January 2008.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The 'original' is probably from LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater in 1964... lemme see if I can find a linky:
Here's what will happen to your children if you vote for Goldwater

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

The 'original' is probably from LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater in 1964... lemme see if I can find a linky:
Here's what will happen to your children if you vote for Goldwater

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 11:17 PM

Dare I say that it probably comes from even further back then that? I can't give any evidence of that, it's just a sneaking suspicion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

There's a joke somewhere about fact checking, right?

You can't pun this on the couch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 9, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Late night at the lab so....

Vegas SuperBowl Odds... really? Come talk to me at week 14.

@sicwidit

Why can't we win a game like Carolina won?
Answer: JC hates you. Not us, just you.

Why is Matt Ryan hittin' 80 yd TD passes on his first play in the NFL?
Answer: Because he played against the Fairfax County Pop-Warner All-Stars. Er, I meant Atlanta Falcons....

Why did the Eagles blow out the Rams with backup receivers (Rams stink...how many pages in that playbook Al?)
Answer: I am assuming those are rhetorical questions...

Why can't we have a Devin Hester?
Answer: The GM's of 31 other teams are asking the same question...

Why do I have a felling that Matt Cassell will make the Pro-Bowl?
Answer: You don't; that feeling is just the Taco Bell dinner you ate making itself known.


Why can't we get pick-6's? (by the way when was the last time a CB had a pick 6 on this team?)
Answer: Because if Smoot or Rogers had hands, they'd be wide-receivers.

Posted by: AppleScience | September 9, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Science, Matt Ryan plays FOR the Falcons.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

scamp, maybe you're thinking of the bitterly contested William Henry Harrison vs. Martin Van Buren campaign of 1840? "Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too!" and all that.

Who's going to answer the log cabin door at 3am when the Injuns are raiding the village?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippecanoe_and_Tyler_too

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 9, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the Framers despised one another... and don't get me started on Oliver Cromwell.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 9, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

If any of you late night hamsters have Fox College Sports Atlantif check out the great 2000 FSU-Miami game at the Orange Bowl. It features two comebacks and last minute game winning TD. The the Noles were No. 1 and the defending National Champs. The game features a ton of NFL playmakers, including one Santana Moss. I won't ruin the outcome but it has a fantastic finish.

Posted by: LH | September 9, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I won't ruin the outcome but it has a fantastic finish.

Posted by: LH | September 9, 2008 11:41 PM

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I'll take those honors. Ken Dorsey hits Jeremy Shockey for his first collegiate TD with about 50 seconds left to give Miami a 3 point lead (with the PAT).

Florida State drives down and is in position to kick a game-tieing field goal and misses.

The U wins it.

Go Canes.

Posted by: Ruiner Guy | September 10, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

No Canes. At least that's what the BCS said that year.

Posted by: LH | September 10, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I believe the "3am Phone Call" originated during the days of Charlemagne. Charlemagne's daughter was notorious for all night phone calls with her Saracen boyfriend. Charlemagne's first 3am phone call came when he intercepted the boy, insisted on talking to his father, and decided that the only way to end this relationship of which he disapproved was to destroy the Saracens and conquer their land.

The Saracens gained their revenge in late 2006 when they defeated Charlemagne's Mustangs for the Texas State High School Football Championship.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

POOP

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 9, 2008 9:20 PM
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Yes, yes it was.

Posted by: | September 10, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Jason "Pat the Ball" Campbell

Nuff' said!

(no offense Nate. Ahem... no offense)

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

The First 3 am call

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent abeguiled me, and I did eat.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with being naked?

Posted by: Chia Pet | September 10, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

No offense taken, Chia...

You have probably figured this out, but I want so much for Jason Campbell to "turn the corner" and become a consistent winner not just because I like the guy and root for him individually, AND because I think he's being judged (to a large extent) both prematurely and unfairly, but also because switching to another QB will be a big setback to the whole team. I'm just not emotionally ready for the Todd Collins "bridge to nowhere" era or the Colt Brennan "aw, why the hell not" era.

Also, I think quarterback controversies, that staple of the DC sports fan's diet, are dumb.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

And Chia, someone suggested "Pitty Pat" above. Which I rather like (I know, I know, shocker).

"Pat the Ball" reminds me of that children's book "Pat the Bunny."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Chia, you said up above that the Skins were "blown away" by the Giants. That's just not true! I was watching the game in the bar with you, brother. With mine own eyes. And I didn't see "blown away."

The Jints got an early lead and from that point forward, aside from the Skins' TD drive at the end of the half, the teams pretty much throttled each other defensively.

No, it wasn't pretty to watch, but I'd say Jints fans didn't think so either, or that they'd say they "blew us away"... especially given the way their O could not function after those early scoring drives. But I don't have any Jints fans to ask, and we don't have a fellow in the role of resident Jints fan up here. So you'll have to take my word for it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Chia, you said up above that the Skins were "blown away" by the Giants. That's just not true! I was watching the game in the bar with you, brother. With mine own eyes. And I didn't see "blown away."

No, it wasn't pretty to watch, but I'd say Jints fans didn't think so either, or that they'd say they "blew us away"...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2008 2:17 AM

I'm not a Giants fan, and I don't play one in the bar or on TV. But anytime you are still in the game, with a chance to win, with six minutes in the game, you weren't "blown away." You may have been lousy, you may have stunk up the joint, you may have had dog breath, but you weren't blown away.

Blown away is where you're out of the game by the end of the first quarter or the first half and you rest your starters so they don't get hurt, like in preseason. We were resting our starters because they were hurt.

Posted by: I am probably an idiot but what do you think? | September 10, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Art Monk gonna be on DC101, 104.3 in bmore and 102.7 the X in richmond in about 3 minutes!!

Here is the link to stream

http://dc101.com/pages/listenlive.html

Posted by: Zebra | September 10, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Another lame post by JLC...good to see your time with your butt-buddy Jerry Coleman made you sufficiently dumber...

The above post is true. A 9 point win is not a blow-out. If the Skins weren't so bad on offense that night, they might even win that game. The Giants were shut out in the 2nd half and couldn't convert red zone opportunities into touchdowns. If I were a Giant fan, I'd be worried.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry JLC in honor of Vinn "The Gerbil" Cerrato it the "gerbil nation" not the hamster nation.

Redskins need a new owner not a little boy with a Napoleon Complex and p*nis envy issues.

Until Danny Boy either grows up or sells the team they will be a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Until Danny Boy either grows up or sells the team they will be a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:49 AM

This will never happen Snyder is younger then most people on this blog, he is not going to sell the team.

He will be the owner of this team after alot of us are dead an gone.

He does not need to sell the team to make the team better, he does however need to get some football people in there and let them run the team.

He thinks Vinny is that guy, the jury is still out on that, we will see.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Just a quick take from Monk

He said that until this team gets a stable coach and system we will flounder. Not to say Zorn isnt that guy.

Also he said you have to give more than one game to make any kind of judgement.

All pretty logical, but is contrary to what others believe up here.

Posted by: Zebra | September 10, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I've medicated myself today......

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

It is dead in here today, were all my peeps at.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

YOUNG’S MOM: VINCE SAID HE DIDN’T WANT TO PLAY FOOTBALL ANYMORE
Posted by Mike Florio on September 10, 2008, 7:01 a.m. EDT
As the latest NFL soap opera continues to churn, the mother of Titans quarterback Vince Young has offered up her take on the situation.

She says that, on Monday, Young said he didn’t want to play football anymore.

“Vince has gone through a whole lot as a young person,’’ Felicia Young said, according to the Tennessean. “And I think he has done pretty well up to this point. But it is hard, all he is going through right now. He’s hurting inside and out.”

On Monday evening, Young’s words and/or actions prompted friends to contact coach Jeff Fisher, who then called police. Clearly, the situation was at a point where someone feared that Vince might do something drastic.

In the aftermath of Monday night’s events, the Titans declared that it was all a misunderstanding. But, based on what Young’s mother is saying, it sounds like there are still some unresolved issues.

“What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do?” Felicia Young said. “What kind of decision would you make? He may not want to deal with it [all], but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.”

Wow. So, basically, Young — who admitted in the offseason to past thoughts of retirement — is thinking about quitting the sport right now.

“[H]e will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out,” Felicia Young said. “He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.’’

Casserly looks like a genious for passing on this idiot.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

From: Satan
To: Tom Brady
Subject: Re: Our Deal

I've fulfilled my end of the deal. Now, your soul is mine. Can you please notify Belichick that I will be collecting him and his video tapes in the coming weeks once I finish with Archie Manning and sons?

Posted by: Memo to Tom Brady: | September 10, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

“[H]e will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out,” Felicia Young said. “He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.’’

Your baby boy is a millionair how about being a man instead of a 5 yr old. The fans are mean to me they say I suck, I am going to tell my momma.

Give me a F-ing break, I would give Caserly a extension just for keeping this guy off my team. Houston you are lucky.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I've toned it down, I'm not going to try and ask people to be patient. Heck, maybe I'll even join them in asking for Zorn to be fired....

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

That's the spirit Greg...beaten down by the masses.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Sometimes it feels like that is the easier argument.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Nate, your 2:09 post is my party's platform. This season should simply be about progress for Jason and the team. Then hopefully a strong Gibbs-like December get's us in the tourney.

btw, next four opponents are undefeated. It could get ugly here - here being hamster nation. Even if the 'skins would win all the games they're favored by, what's that give us after five games? 1-4 or 0-5?

I'd say hamster nation will not tolerate those expectations. I may have to abide somewheres else if it becomes hamburger hill 'up here.' The only thing worse then the 'skins losing is all the b'tchin', complaining, and know-it-all-fans that will come out of the woodwork to post.

Here's to hoping to see Mark Brunell play in Fed-Ex.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 10, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Give me a F-ing break, I would give Caserly a extension just for keeping this guy off my team. Houston you are lucky.

Posted by: Flounder | September 10, 2008 8:07 AM

Agreed. People think he f-ed it up by not taking Reggie Bush, but boy does he look like a genius right now!

Just a reminder of why we can't judge a draft the first year.

Any chance we can get Charley back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Here's to hoping to see Mark Brunell play in Fed-Ex.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 10, 2008 8:15 AM

At least we know the skins defense can cover the 5 yards or less passes. They see it in practice every day.

Posted by: Nico | September 10, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Any chance we can get Charley back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:19 AM

About the same odds that the owner suddenly dies and his estate sells the team to another 'die-hard' fan who idolized the old GMs the way the current owner idolized the old coaches.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 10, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Saints lost Hollis Thomas for the year, putting him on IR.

I think the Saints can be run on, the Bucs seemed to have some success with it. I also think that the TE's need to play a HUGE role in this game. I know they have Vilma, and Fujita, not sure of the other LB, but I'm not sure any of them is a viable match up with Cooley.

Not to be Cpt. Obvious, but the passing game/pass protection is going to be incredibly important this week. They need to be able to pass with consistency, as well as convert third downs.

On a related note, I will once again, state for the record, that Buges needs to piss in some cheerios and get the oline frothing at the mouth. He needs to piss these guys off, question their dedication, call them out in the press, whatever it takes......

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Here's to hoping to see Mark Brunell play in Fed-Ex.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 10, 2008 8:15 AM

Yeah, with our luck he'll squeeze out what little football he's got left and go for 300 yards on us. Careful what you wish for...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Any chance we can get Charley back?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:19 AM

Not unless the relationship with Snyder has improved since he was ousted.

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_1999/schleiden_111599.asp

Posted by: Nico | September 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I predict a win this week. Dont ask me why, I just do.

I dont think this team is as bad as it seems, and I think they will adjust.

Defense will force the inside run and hope their speed and tackling keep Duece from breaking any big ones.

Offense should establish the run and get the D to commit to the run. Then we go over the top. keep the ball out of their offenses hands.

Player of the game - CP

17-14 skins.

Posted by: Zebra | September 10, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

This from PFT:

MERRIMAN WAS TOLD TO HAVE SURGERY AFTER THE 2007 SEASON
Posted by Mike Florio on September 10, 2008, 8:15 a.m.
Peter King of Sirius NFL Radio (and virtually every other media outlet covering pro football, and a few that don’t) said this morning that, according to Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith, linebacker Shawne Merriman was told by team doctors to have surgery on his torn knee ligaments as part of Merriman’s exit physical at the end of the 2007 season.

Merriman opted against it, for reasons still not known or apparent.

But why then did the team doctors clear Merriman to play in 2008? That’s the most bizarre aspect of this situation; multiple specialists uniformly told Merriman to get the knee fixed. The team doctors shrugged and said, “You’re good to go.”

Perhaps the Chargers played this one just right. Maybe Smith realized that Merriman wasn’t going to embrace the concept of surgery until he realized on his own that he needed it, and that if the team had forced the surgery decision on him the relationship would have been in the same condition as his PCL.

Then again, there’s a chance that the relationship already has been permanently impaired, and that Merriman (once healthy) will be traded to a new team. He is signed through 2009.
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Wanna bet The Danny is the culprit who trades for LaVar Jr.?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Are all of you like sick or deprived or something. It's ONE game! Special teams looked good. D tightened up in the second half. Everyone (I mean EVERYONE) knew this Offence would take some time and the rookies would take time. (it;s VERY rare a rookie WR comes out of collage and rocks the world) No one Knew who the hell Joe Gibbs was when Bobby B. plucked him from San D in 82'. Remember the Patriots game last year? Now that was embarassing! Y'all diddnt call for Joes head then did you It took Joe His first 5 games to get it right and get the players up to speed. How'd that turn out? Would you not prove Colin Cowheard right by Making FAN short for "Fanatic" Be a Redskins FAN. Know one knows what's going to happen, "That's why they play the game".Enjoy your Sunday afternoons with your team. Let the team (and coach) develop. If your a true fan go drop a hundred on the skins to win it all and take the odds.

Posted by: Dougwash | September 10, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Zeb, I don't think that Deuce played last week, for whatever reason, knee, I believe. I'm not sure what his status is for this week. Not having him in there would be huge however....

Brown, lol, I don't see that happening. Who knows though, Merriman could come back from this surgery, and still be a beast.....

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

On a related note, I will once again, state for the record, that Buges needs to piss in some cheerios and get the oline frothing at the mouth.

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 8:26 AM

I'm pretty sure pissing in cheerios will get ANYONE frothing at the mouth...

But you're right, we need to see the line play with some fire this week. Having said that, I believe the Skins win this week. They aren't as bad as they looked last week (I hope), and they were definitely worse when they played the Saints 2 years ago when the Saints were the team to beat in the NFC. Plus it's at FedEx where I think this team will play better ball.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

brown,

I'm not a #8 hater, he just never played well in Fed-Ex. I'll always remember the two bombs to Santana, but will also rembember see him a number of times rolling right - even though he's lefthanded - and then step out of bounds to stop the clock and avoid the sack instead of chucking the ball in the ground. I would scream, "you're outside the tackle box just get it close to the effing line of scrimage! Don't lose yards! You're a veteran qb!"

Every week, I still stood by him because he didn't turn the ball over and was better than our other options to get to the playoffs. If London Fletcher would have come a year earlier than the defense might have held some of the leads we lost in 2006. I don't blame 2006 on him but the d.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 10, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

If we are in need of a big WR we should prolly call up Michael Westbrook, we can watch him get angry and pin Double Move to the floor and turn his face into flank steak.

Posted by: bangkok palace | September 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

What makes you think the skins can win more than two games? These players are just not good enough for the professional games.

Posted by: RealFan | September 10, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

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