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Redskins Tidbits via PreDraft/Twitter

In case you hadn't seen, we kicked off a new blog inside "The League" this week -- PreDraft. It aims to keep you up to date with the hot issues surrounding the upcoming draft.

League contributor Doug Farrar is in Indy (as is Mark Maske of the NFL News Feed), feeding PreDraft with live news via Twitter. Check the last 10 posts out on our site or follow @PostSports on Twitter.

Some very slightly edited highlights from Doug's dispatches today:

- In a podcast earlier today, NFLDraftScout.com's Rob Rang said that Texas DE Brian Orakpo is the best pass rusher against the run in this class.
- Orakpo is 6-4ish, 260ish (didn't hear the official measurments yet) with 4.7-area speed.
- Orakpo said that the Redskins talked to him about being a SAM (strong-side) linebacker.

Also, Doug sat down with Adam Caplan of Sirius NFL Radio on Thursday to talk about the Redskins and free agency.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  February 21, 2009; 2:53 PM ET
 
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The Secret World of Alex Mack.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 21, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Draft the kid...although I'd like to get an O-Lineman. (Our defense has been top ten the last four of five years).

Posted by: rickyroge | February 21, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

No Orakpo!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 21, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought this dude played DE? Now, we have to invest 2-3 years and a 13th pick for him AND convert him?

That dosen't sound right..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 21, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If we're talking about OLB, I'd rather take Cushing, who wouldn't have to convert and comes from an NFL-style system. That being said, I'd much rather take a LT or Raji if he's still there.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 21, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Cushing def looks the choice. He is versatile.......

And he is already a OLB....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 21, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

4th floor: "Cushing def looks the choice. He is versatile.......And he is already a OLB...."

I guess technically that's true. All I ever saw him do was rush the passer. That's the sort of pick that I find scary. Scarier than Orakpo or Everette Brown, at least. Maybe scarier than Larry English.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 21, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wah, wah, wah. No matter what they do...everyone whines. As long as we don't draft a WR, QB or a Punter, I'm going to be happy. We have needs every where else.

Posted by: redlotparty | February 21, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Um, we need an RT, not an LT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 21, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Cushing did more than rush the passer at Senior Bowl. He practiced really well and had some good hits on RB taking swing passes. Good speed. But.. I watched the actual game and he didn't do much. Course, it was only one game.

I saw one mock draft that had the Redskins taking Jason Smith at 13? He's projected as a 3rd rounder. Where can a guy go to get a decent mock draft?

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 21, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

And somebody else had the Redskins taking Andre (fat-boy) Smith who refused to show up for the combine. Rumors are that he got fat in the off season.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 21, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Where did you see Jason Smith as a 3rd rounder? He is listed right along with Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe as the top 3 tackles in everything I have seen. Andre Smith has some red flags. Thankfully he should be gone by 13. Cushing probably will be gone by then as well.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 21, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody's arguing the importance of interior DL. But last season at least, when this defense didn't 'work', it was because it lacked a consistent, pressuring rush.

Posted by: Samson151"

Strongly disagree. Last season when this defense didn't 'work', it was because teams like Dallas and Baltimore ran it down the throat of the defense late in the 4th quarter. That, of course, is anchored by the defensive tackles. Teams never really had monster passing days against the skins (in fact, Warner, Brees, Romo, Manning, Roethlisberger, and McNabb all had some of their worst performances of the season against the Redskins defense).

And that doesn't mention the fact that our DE's and LB's play a very high discipline system, which doesn't allow for pure pass rushers to attack at will. Under Williams' system, Griffin has always been the key to the front 7 (along with the MLB). Their push up the middle is what predicates the pass-rush, because that's what allows the DE's to get sacks in this system (by not allowing the QB to step up in the pocket). It's not always noticeable, but when Griffin plays well, the defense plays well. When he doesn't, often times the front 7 struggles.

Posted by: psps23 | February 21, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who spent more than 20 minutes watching the combine--i.e. seeing Fat Guys Run--today seriously needs to get a life.

That said Smith of Alabama's antics will shake up assessment of the First round. I STILL say and will continue to say the 'skins need MORE picks and need to trade down.

One player and no more picks until the sechnd day spell even more disaster for the franchise.

Posted by: TheCork | February 21, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Also Michael Crabtree has a stress fracture in his foot and will need surgery. The draft could change even more due to this and Andre Smith leaving Indy early.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 21, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"I STILL say and will continue to say the 'skins need MORE picks and need to trade down.

Posted by: TheCork"

Unfortunately, the last time the Redskins traded down they ended up with the same amount of draft picks. Only with that, they ended up getting the less impact player because Atlanta ended up with the higher overall pick.

Posted by: psps23 | February 21, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

IMO, I think the Skins will trade down for more picks and I think they will draft D and try to pick up an O lineman in free agency.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 21, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

!!!FEAR THE TURTLE!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | February 21, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

One player and no more picks until the sechnd day spell even more disaster for the franchise.

Posted by: TheCork | February 21, 2009 5:01 PM

Mr. Crock, You say the same thing about everything that happens -- "This spells disaster for the franchise." You need to get a new line. Why don't you copy some of bean's thoughts and paste them over your name?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 21, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Watch, to your dismay, if the Skins pick Malcom Jenkins; cornerback, Ohio State.
At 6-1, 201 with 4.3 in 40; he could be a replacement of Seun Springs. I have a feeling that the Skins would cut Seun Springs and Fred Smooth pairing Jenkins with Hall while Carlos serves as third or they might keep Smooth as third and trade Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: abxinc | February 21, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

This message is for "Truth" and any other sweaty-jock-strap carriers for Tobacco Road teams:

LET'S GOOOOOOOO MARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | February 21, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't want Andre Smith since he walked out of the scouting combine because he was unprepared for the interviews. Would he walk out against a good speed rusher in the NFL????????????

Posted by: joeboggs | February 21, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I STILL say and will continue to say the 'skins need MORE picks and need to trade down.

One player and no more picks until the sechnd day spell even more disaster for the franchise.

Posted by: TheCork ****

Too bad the FO will probably not do this.
Trading down to get a few more picks in rounds 2-4 makes a ton of sense. Let's see what the FO does.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 21, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Trading down to get a few more picks in rounds 2-4 makes a ton of sense. Let's see what the FO does.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 21, 2009 9:00 PM

I can tell you what theyre going to do. They`re going to trade picks from next year`s draft for extra picks this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 21, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't want Andre Smith since he walked out of the scouting combine because he was unprepared for the interviews. Would he walk out against a good speed rusher in the NFL????????????

Posted by: joeboggs |

According to the NFL Network, Smith participated in the interviews and the weigh in,etc. He had planned to leave this afternoon to travel to ATL and work out with his trainer but since he had done the interviews decided to leave early this morning instead...he just neglected to tell anyone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 21, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't want Andre Smith since he walked out of the scouting combine because he was unprepared for the interviews. Would he walk out against a good speed rusher in the NFL????????????

Posted by: joeboggs | February 21, 2009 7:17 PM |

He may have screwed up enough at the combine so that the highest rated tackle in the draft will be available when the Skins pick. Interesting choice. Dude was a studly stud at Bama.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 21, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

2 biggest needs are O-Line and D-Line

Assume we will suck again next year which means we will have a top 12 pick in 2010

So, logically, since this year's draft is deep in O-Line and weak at DE, we should take a OT this year
and then take either a DT or DE next year.

So, Cerratogically, we will trade next year's first round to move up this year and pick a DE.

Bobby Beathard, why hath thou forsaken us?

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 21, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Per PFT:

"SMITH’S STOCK TAKING A HIT FOR REASONS UNRELATED TO WORKOUT
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 9:25 p.m.
As if the bizarre departure of Alabama tackle Andre Smith from Indianapolis didn’t raise enough questions about his pro prospects, some of the things Smith did and said in Indy might have done even more damage.

According to Tony Pauline of SI.com, Smith had a bad round of interviews on Friday.

“Smith’s interviews with teams have been going horribly,” Pauline reports. “He’s been inappropriately dressed and has been giving a number of conflicting statements as to why he was choosing not to workout at the combine. Several offensive line coaches have already suggested Smith be removed from their team’s draft board and there’s no doubt his draft stock is falling.”

Though high-end tackles create a lower percentage of busts than positions like quarterback and receiver, few tackles have had such a bad experience at the Scouting Combine. As a result, anyone who recommends that the team use a high first-round pick on Smith needs to have a high degree of job security — or needs to be right."


Now does this sound like Skins material?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 21, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

How about this?

If the Skins had 9 picks and picked o-lineman and d lineman...would people still complain that we should have picked a safety, QB, or RB?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 21, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

psps23: "Their push up the middle is what predicates the pass-rush, because that's what allows the DE's to get sacks in this system (by not allowing the QB to step up in the pocket)."

Oh gosh no. I'm not talking about sacks. When you get sacks, it's just as likely to be the result of really good coverage as the rush. And of course if the pocket collapses around the QB, you've got an advantage. But that doesn't happen very often. Pressure produces turnovers, particularly interceptions, and we got very few of those. When we did get the outside pressure, like that second Philly game, that's when QBs struggle.

Don't take my word for it, check with the coaches. If I'm wrong I stand corrected. But what I saw was a defense that couldn't get to the QB. Of course, sometimes they couldn't stop the run, either, but that's a different matter.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Just one other quick thought: QBs often inadvertently put extra pressure on their linemen by stepping up into the pocket to avoid pressure from the outside. They don't think of it as getting a lot closer to the interior DLs, but it is. Tom Brady is one of the few who doesn't do this, and it seems to help his linemen.

Not saying interior pressure doesn't help (it does). Any pressure helps.

By the way, I understand most of the scouts leave before the Senior Bowl. It's the practices they're interested in. Which is why Pat White's outstanding performance might not help him that much.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

psp is right. Even Blache said last year - before the draft - that what the defense needed was a DT that would take on double teams causing the pocket to collapse. Griffin used to be that guy - still doesn't mean he's not the best they've got. When M. Washington went down, running to the strong side became that much easier.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 22, 2009 4:55 AM | Report abuse

bsngkokbem: "psp is right. Even Blache said last year - before the draft - that what the defense needed was a DT that would take on double teams causing the pocket to collapse. Griffin used to be that guy - still doesn't mean he's not the best they've got. When M. Washington went down, running to the strong side became that much easier."

Different issue, I think. But we're at cross-purposes, so let's move on.

The thing that strikes me about the combine is how much importance is attached to those interviews. I keep reading that teams have reached the point where they put as much emphasis on that fifteen or twenty minute exchange as on the athletic stuff. Outside of making work for PhDs (like the Wonderlic) it's hard to imagine you can tell all that much about a defensive lineman by the composure he exnibits in a room with three team reps.

The other thing that puzzles me is the reaction to Andre Smith's 'disappearance' from the combine, without 'notifying [his] group leader'. The implication is that he panicked and ran after a dismal morning performance. Smith says he hadn't planned to do anything the next day anyway and figure he'd just get a head start on his March workout day at Alabama. The wags are already talking about how this could knock him down ten slots or more in the first round.

And then there's the discussion of the supposed 'risk' Sanchez is taking by actually throwing a football instead of just running in a straight line and going to interviews.

Sort of lost the point of the whole exercise.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2009 5:31 AM | Report abuse

The Orakpo pick should happen if, and only if, a stud rt is not there at pick 13.

The redskins could put the same characters from last year's D on the field, and get the same results stats wise.

But it's the offense's stats---and the issues related to protecting a big quarterback who likes to hold the ball--that call for two of the 4 picks going towards offensive lineman.

A slb can be had with the pick in the 3rd round or brought in during free agency. Let's get some linemen people.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 22, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

'...The other thing that puzzles me is the reaction to Andre Smith's 'disappearance' from the combine...'


What puzzles me is the manufactured drama by the NFL Network people.

The Gang of Eisen is trying to sell something its fanbase would watch without the shrill Adam Scheter infomation blasts or 'blah-blah-blah' commentary.

Most of the kids--and remember, they're just kids--at the combine are in the process of killing themelves to get ready to play in the NFL.

I don't think that after playing at in at least 33 college football games and committing to all the work that goes with that, they're going to all of a sudden 'flake out' and not get things right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 22, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

According to Tony Pauline of SI.com, Smith had a bad round of interviews on Friday.

Now does this sound like Skins material?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 21, 2009 10:36 PM

In a word? Maybe. I wouldn’t rule him out because a gang of journalists are after him for, what?

A bad round of interviews? And, he dressed inappropriately? Sounds like Clinton Portis.

Here`s what was posted about him yesterday on Mark Maskes blog:

What He Can Do: Smith can decimate his opponent with his 6'4", 340-pound frame, or he can surprise with surprising short-area speed. In a power-zone team where physical dominance matches schematic mastery, Smith could be a rare asset.
Don Banks had him as the number one overall pick in his first mock draft.

He`s got an on-field record for Bama to justify a high pick. You can coach "appropriate dress" and "interview skills," but you can`t coach "6'4", 340-pound frame, with surprising short-area speed."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

TE, I was being somewhat sarcastic because, to me, it seems just like the type of person we would take the risk on. I'm not bashing the FO by saying we do it every time but we sure don't have a problem taking chances on people with huge upsides but big chances for disaster. See McIntosh, Davis, Kelley, Hall, etc.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Lot of lineman on this list of guys having decent workouts. Not having that 2nd rounder sucks.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/21/scouting.combine/index.html?eref=T1

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 22, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm seriously concerned regarding DAN SNYDER's vision of what a solid football organization is, and his underling VINNY CERRATO's abilities to manage the REDSKINS appropriately. TRADING picks for past dance-masters is a recipe for disaster. If putting fannies in seats at FED-EX is the uppermost regard for both these gentlemen than REDSKINS fans I say, you get what you've been seeing on the field. How's 8-8 going down.? FOUR picks in this draft.? O and D lines looking like swiss cheese. Don't put this on the coaching staff. LATER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

'...Not having a 2nd rounder sucks...'

Understatement, this is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 22, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Don't put this on the coaching staff. LATER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2009 9:17 AM

Please try to make it SOONER, not LATER. Insights like yours are what makes this blog special.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Most of the kids--and remember, they're just kids--at the combine are in the process of killing themelves to get ready to play in the NFL.

I don't think that after playing at in at least 33 college football games and committing to all the work that goes with that, they're going to all of a sudden 'flake out' and not get things right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 22, 2009 8:14 AM
=========================================
A. Smith missed the Sugar Bowl due to signing up with an agent early. I wonder whether Smith got bad advice, or just didn't take it.

He would have been better off not coming to the Combine than doing what he did.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

He would have been better off not coming to the Combine than doing what he did.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 9:46 AM

This is true. How does it affect his ability to play tackle in the NFL, though?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This is true. How does it affect his ability to play tackle in the NFL, though?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 10:11 AM
===========================================
That I couldn't tell you.

I did see someone saying he was dressed "inappropriately" for interviews.

Does this mean he showed up in a thong?

By the way, the Bengals are yet another team that may be looking to trade down.

This makes at least three teams besides the Skins that I have read might want to do that. Problem is, this leaves the few teams that might consider trading up holding all the cards.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Clayton was just on ESPN and said Andre Smith may have fallen into the 15-17 range from his actions. If he is there at 13 this is right in Vinny's wheelhouse. You know he is listed toward the top of his draft board.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thunder,

Everyone on this board writes trade-down like it`s as easy as going to the toilet. In fact it`s really difficult to trade down and get fair value for your pick.

Redskins tried to trade down two years ago but couldn`t find anyone to give them value for their pick so they took Landry. In retrospect, that was the most valuable pick in the draft, since the Vikes took Adrian Peterson with the next pick. Even at the time I couldn`t understand why Buffalo didn`t trade with us. Instead, they waited and took Marshawn Lynch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

T_e, it's going to depend on whether there's someone available at 13 that another G.M. is really jonesing for.

Otherwise, it's probably not worth doing...we'll just get our pocket picked (and that's never happened before!).
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo, please... he's a beast. I'm a Texas Longhorns fan, and have watched every game he's played. He was a man among boys this year, in just limited time. Texas has nowhere near the caliber of defenders SC does, and thus his stats when he was constantly double-teamed this year are even more eye-popping.

Orakpo played on his hands as DE in the 4-3, but Texas under Will Muschamp also moved him around and had him play from a standing position often as well. If the Skins want him to be a weakside OLB, I think he can make the adjustment. However, I think his natural position is down low on his hands as a DE in the 4-3 scheme.

Cushing's past steroid use should be a concern... there is no telling whether or not his body will hold up after all the abuse he's put it through.

Orakpo is a good citizen, a good student, a coachable athlete, and most importantly, a hell of a pass rusher.

Posted by: lingering_lead | February 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Come on guys, have some sense of perspective.

First of all, yes, o-line is our biggest need. However, just saying they should only take a tackle at #13 is very short-sighted. Unlike last year, this draft class is NOT deep at o-line. There are three tackles ranked highly (Smith, Smith and Monroe) and Oher is said to be highly inconsistent and not worthy of being selected higher that 20. After those four, there is a large drop-off in o-line talent.

Yes, trading down would be ideal, but that requires a trade partner and is very difficult to do. It's definitely worth trying, but can't be guaranteed or solely relied on. If a trade can't be made, it's not the FO's fault. At the 13th pick, other teams may not see a player worth trading up for.

There is only one DT (B.J. Raji) worthy of a top 15 pick and Scouts Inc. currently have no guards listed in the top 32. The coaches and experts at the combine yesterday said that scouts and GM's find it extremely difficult to consider a center in the 1st round, even though there has been one or two years past.

The general consensus is that the top three tackles will go in the top 10 and the best DT will also be gone by #13. If that's the case, you don't reach for a player of lessor talent just to fill a need. DE/OLB IS a need and this draft class is stocked at those positions. Scouts Inc. has six LB's and five DE's in the top 32 overall.

If we're forced to stay at #13, and the top three OT's and the one DT are gone, a DE/LB may be the the best player available that fills a need. Brian Orakpo would make a lot of sense. Mike Mayock and most scouts project him to be an OLB in the Pro's. The fact that he's the top rated pass rusher in the draft makes him even more desirable. In Blache's system, a pass rushing OLB is a staple, much the way Washington was used. And if Jason Taylor is retained, having the ability to move Taylor and Orakpo around in different packages/formations at DE/OLB is an advantage. James Laurinaitis is also an attractive prospect. He's been an ILB, however his side-line to side-line speed and pass coverage skills have scouts saying he can play at any LB position. Curry and Maybin are also highly touted LB's.

Point is, the top three rated tackles will most likely be gone in the first ten picks and the one best DT (Raji) will also most likely be gone. Trading down would be great, but the chances of that happening are slim, no matter how hard the FO tries. If that's the case, you want the best value for the pick and that may be a DE/OLB.

Posted by: bradj513 | February 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Danny and Vinnie - bent on proving that the game is won and lost in the backfield.

Posted by: hz9604 | February 22, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

That`s my idea of a draft strategy. Use your first round pick to improve your fourth ranked defense and wait until the third round to improve your struggling offense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"Oh gosh no. I'm not talking about sacks. When you get sacks, it's just as likely to be the result of really good coverage as the rush. And of course if the pocket collapses around the QB, you've got an advantage. But that doesn't happen very often. Pressure produces turnovers, particularly interceptions, and we got very few of those. When we did get the outside pressure, like that second Philly game, that's when QBs struggle.

Don't take my word for it, check with the coaches. If I'm wrong I stand corrected. But what I saw was a defense that couldn't get to the QB. Of course, sometimes they couldn't stop the run, either, but that's a different matter.

Posted by: Samson151"

I guess my point is that the DTs predicate the entire pass-rush in this system (that includes sacks and pressure). A lot of other teams use diverse stunts or allow their pass rushers to use an array of different pass-rushing techniques (like spin moves) with the hopes that something they do will get pressure. It's my impression, based on what I've seen and the comments from the players and coaches, that this isn't the case with the skins. From what I've seen, the skins outside rushers (for the most part) play a contain-rush style, where they rush the passer cautiously, while almost never breaking contain on the passing lanes -- which is why you see so many tipped passes from the d-line. That's why a guy like Jason Taylor (supremely talented) struggles in this system, because he can't use everything he has. And that's why it's paramount that the interior linemen get push up the middle, because they're the ones that push the QB into either stepping into a clogged pocket, or running into the DE's pass-rushing lanes.

Anyway, that's my take. I wouldn't be upset if we got the best DE prospect with our selection, but I still view DT as a much more crucial position to this defense.

Posted by: psps23 | February 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This is Professional Sports. No one cares about steriods use. Especially the fans. ONly sports columnist and back in the days pros who weren't making today's money care.

TE - We do not have a good fit to pick an offensive player @ #13. We have a bunch of recievers, 2 RBs, 2 TEs, a QB, and a FB. There is no OLineman worth picking at #13 save for Smith, but I doubt he will be another Chris Sameuls.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd have no problem with the Redskins using their pick at 13 on Oher.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

What we sign in free agency is going to dictate where we go in the draft. If we take James Laurinitis at 13 I am retiring all of my Skins gear. That would be an atrocious reach.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 22, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Oher. I really think Heyer can step in and start.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

That`s my idea of a draft strategy. Use your first round pick to improve your fourth ranked defense and wait until the third round to improve your struggling offense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Bingo! Someone who gets it. Let's stop talking about a pass rusher until we have an offensive line that can actually help keep our 4th ranked defense off the field in the first place!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"This is Professional Sports. No one cares about steriods use. Especially the fans. ONly sports columnist and back in the days pros who weren't making today's money care."


Wow, you obviously haven't been listening to sports talk radio in NYC, where every fan cares about steroids in baseball...

4th do you think all of the worlds ills can be laid at the feet of sports writers?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Give me Oher in a hot second.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I, a fan, and care about steroids. Not from some moralistic point of view either. But anyone notice how Merriman can't stay healthy since he got busted and thus stopped chemically "staying healthy" or that he missed 4 crucial games on a suspension.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

whatever the skins do it will backfire....I am so exhausted with Redskins mania....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Baseball is a Sport? The way the writers talk about it you wouldn't think so when they speak of 'Sanctity of the Game'? For who? The owners and Sports Columnist?

Did you see ARod sign 100s and 100s of autographs over the weekend? What was the problem again?

Kids was doing steriods when I was in high school back in the 90s.

And yes, you can blame the Media for a lot of stuff because they drive the issues because they are on print, radio, TV, and Inet.... Not the fans. The media talks about stuff we don't care about. Like the blow up between Anquan Boldin and Todd Haley during the NFC Championship.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

TE - I don't see us having the 4th ranked defense very long if we don't make improvements... especially if its likely we lose Marcus, Springs, Taylor, possibly Daniels, Griffin... and our best player (Fletcher) is a year older, not to mention Rogers might get away....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

This is what Maske posted about Oher yesterday

What He Can Do: Known primarily as the subject of Michael Lewis' book, The Blind Side, Oher has the physical potential to be one of the best tackles of the last decade. With only three years at his current position, Oher has the potential to get even better, though there may be a slight hangup at the pro level due to that inexperience. Still, his physical characteristics are not the issue. Oher has that rarest combination of tackle skills -- the ability to dance in perfect time with ballerina's feet and still subdue the strongest defender. Where evaluators are divided about Oher is in his ability to take hold of the more sophisticated blocking schemes he'll be required to master in the NFL. There's also a small debit related to his mellow, passive personality, though being a sweetheart won't stop Orlando Pace from going to the Hall of Fame.

The Expert's Take: "Viewed by many scouts as the most physically gifted of an extraordinary class of offensive tackles, Oher possesses the size, strength, agility, and flexibility to man the position at a Pro-Bowl caliber level for a decade or more. Teams, however, have to come to grips with questions about Oher's consistency and willingness to put in the time and effort to maximize his immense talents."

And you think he cant help the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Oher. I really think Heyer can step in and start.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:23 PM
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You'll have to take that one up with Zorn and Bugel, then. They still seem to think it should be Jansen, in spite of his pass protection problems.

It was Andre Smith that I'd read some concerns about, from Matt at WalterFootball.

But until this weekend, I didn't figure it would matter, it seemed a given he would be taken before 13.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

whateves....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

4th=equals voice of all fans....gotcha....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Cl - Atleast 1/4 of the Skins are on Steriods/HGH.

Some have been named in the past so I won't mention them again.

I don't know if you can fit Merriman in that mold quite yet.......

Acceptable players to pick @ #13:

Aaron Curry
BCush
Smith

No to Orakpo and Oher.

In other news, DThomas supposedly is spending the summer with Santana. And MK12 will be restin his surgical knee until the final few days of OTAs........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, No, but I see us having a weak offense forever until we start investing some picks on the O line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The Expert's Take: "Viewed by many scouts as the most physically gifted of an extraordinary class of offensive tackles, Oher possesses the size, strength, agility, and flexibility to man the position at a Pro-Bowl caliber level for a decade or more. Teams, however, have to come to grips with questions about Oher's consistency and willingness to put in the time and effort to maximize his immense talents."

And you think he cant help the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 12:47 PM

But csn he play in the NFC East? None of this has been answered. He sounds like Ryan Leaf to me.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

4th=equals voice of all fans....gotcha....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:49 PM

I see it more as:

4th=voice of the silent magority......

Everyone I talk to understands where we live in Sports today. We just don't want our players getting caught like stupid a$$es like ARod.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"CL - Atleast 1/4 of the Skins are on Steriods/HGH."

Thats quite a statement. Good thing you are not in the media b/c you'd be easy to bash. You are aware they test for steroids right? HGH, no, so that is a no mans land and I wouldn't doubt a few are.

"Some have been named in the past so I won't mention them again.

I don't know if you can fit Merriman in that mold quite yet......."

Not to get all beantown on ya, but you sure are throwing around some heavy statements without even a name. Some unamed skins players are def roided up, but Merriman who has been caught is not that "mold" yet....interesting reasoning....I blame Whitlock....


Yes to Oher

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

You'll have to take that one up with Zorn and Bugel, then. They still seem to think it should be Jansen, in spite of his pass protection problems.


Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 12:48 PM

We'll see how that turns out when the draft passes and no tackle is picked at 13........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

In other news you all know 2/3 of all skins beat their wives right?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

4/5 of all R.I. bloggers are insane. The rest are wanted by the law...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Cl - I was talking about Corealtion between taking steriods and injury. Meriman had one major injury that could happen to anyone.

You don't remember the article in ESPN the Mag about some North Carolina (or Georgia, I can't remember) doctor that NFL players went to see to get perscriptions for HGH, but he really wasn't a doctor. And they said roughly 6-8 Redskins would see him regularly. And CP was named? I forget if anyone else was named. And that was the same year CP came in with that ridicoulously sized neck and upper body during season Gibbs 2.2?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"4/5 of all R.I. bloggers are insane. The rest are wanted by the law..."

truest statement of the day!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Aren't you an accountant 4th 6-8 doesn't equal 1/4

And has nerriman been even half the player post bust he was before?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

'In other news you all know 2/3 of all skins beat their wives right?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 12:58 PM

And the other third are single.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be crazy if I where a Sports Columnist spitting off the mouth on radio/TV/etc....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

That was just from one source. This is 2009 and you have to be realistic that the Fans don't know the complete truth.

Main Example: Basebaal, George Mitcheel Report.

The Mitchell Report basically mainly came from 2 sources. McNamee and the other Mets guy. So, they can only tell on who they worked with. There are I'm sure at leat 100 McNamee's in baseball ballclubs, they just never got caught.

So, I would say, 1/4 of a Football team would be a good starting point.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

By your reasoning and evidence based arguments 4th, you'd make a fine version of how you view sports journalists....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks.

I think it's called common sense vs. elitism.

(Boy I am loving these Obama days. I finding all new ways to look at arguments)

Did anyone here that Roberto Alamor is being sued by some chick because he gave her HIV or AIDS and he himself has AIDS and isn't doing that great?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or do some of the top O-lineman coming out this year seem kind of weak? I was watching them at the combine doing the bench press, and Oher, and some of the other could only get 225lb up 21 or 22 times. That's not very impressive, considering the fact that they're 300 plus pounds.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I think we should grab Khalif Barnes to put at RT. That takes the pressure off us to have to take a T at #13 if one is there... then we can take Orakpo and hopefully find a way to get ourselves a 2nd rounder and take Duke or a center.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 22, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"I think it's called common sense vs. elitism."

um sure yeah ok...good one.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma
Height: 6-8. Weight: 332.
Projected 40 Time: 5.36.
Combine 40 Time: 5.54.
Benchx225: . Arm: 32.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.
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Phil's arms are too short to box with God.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 22, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I would love for the skins to get Raji from boston college.Griffin is getting old and the other dts are 2nd rate at best.Remember the good old days when Butz and grant where like a brick wall in the middle of the line.A good push up the middle will also help the rush on the edge.I doubt Raji falls far enough for the skins to get him.Many experts have him going around #10. Oh well

Posted by: ttribbett | February 22, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Crock, You say the same thing about everything that happens -- "This spells disaster for the franchise." You need to get a new line. Why don't you copy some of bean's thoughts and paste them over your name?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 21, 2009 6:05 PM

Mr. TE! You have to play nice with The Cork. Calling him "Crock" and denigrating his useful contributions to this blog is totally inappropriate.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 22, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

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