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Redskins Trade for Erasmus James

The Redskins have traded a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2009 draft to Minnesota for defensive end Erasmus James. James has fallen out of favor with the Vikings but Washington has had a glaring need on the defensive line.

Redskins new defensive line coach John Palermo knows James well - he coached him at Wisconsin - and the Redskins are in essence giving up nothing for a player who has had some issues but certainly has potential. The deal is contingent upon James making Washington's 53-man roster. Could be a very favorable move if it works out and kudos to them for finally addressing the lack of depth in the trenches.

The Vikings placed James on waivers last week, but then withdrew him from the waiver wire prior to the deadline for doing so in order to deal him to Washington. Waivers work in reverse order from the 2007 standings, and with the Redskins reaching the playoffs another club could have claimed James before he fell to their spot, hence the trade.

James, 25, is 6-4, 266 pounds and was selected by the Vikings 18th overall in the 2005 draft. His production has been scant - just five career sacks - and injuries have limited him to just eight games in the past two seasons. He was waived by the Vikings last week after failing to pass a physical, and is scheduled to take a physical for the Redskins Wednesday.

The Redskins have just two proven defensive ends on the roster - veterans Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels - and failed to add any experienced talent through trades or free agency in the offseason. They also did not select a defensive lineman until the seventh round of the draft in April.

James has made 12 career starts; nine of them came in his rookie season, when also registered four sacks. He appeared in six games last season then injured his anterior cruciate ligament for the second straight year, ending his 2007 season. James was limited to largely light work in his latest comeback with the Vikings and was not participating in team drills during Minnesota's organized team activity practices, but the Redskins are optimistic about his health and ability to contribute.

James is in the final year of his contract, with a base salary of $1 million in 2008.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 27, 2008; 4:40 PM ET
 
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Comments

Why don't the Skins sign Elijah Dukes, put him on special teams, make him a 2-sport wrathlete?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Nicely done. If the pats, or the colts, made this type of move, big media would be all over them.

I like this. Low Risk, HIGH REWARD.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

That is the best news I've heard in a while... awesome.

Posted by: BucktownSkinsFan | May 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Great One.

One of the front runners on this.......

Posted by: 4th | May 27, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

No risk, no nothing. Of course, if they want a DE for the next few years, that Taylor fellow for a 3rd rounder sounds like a much better idea

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

A conditional 7th rounder....they didn't give away two 1st round picks for the guy! I like what the Skins are doing so far this offseason. They're learning!

Posted by: Alan | May 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Correct me where I go astray, but didn't Minny draft James, as well as Troy Williams with their 2 first round draft picks a few years back?

They then turned those 2 first round picks into a 7th from the Redskins, and whatever they got from Jacksonville.

Thats not good....

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

so is he still on his rookie contract? What's the cap hit? Wasn't he waived 4 days ago? wtf is going on?

Posted by: Ben | May 27, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone HAPPY?!?!?

We traded a freakin pick. Cerrato and Snyder haven't learned their lesson. We'll never have a full complemant of draft picks. We now will only have 5 picks. Fire Cerrato!!!.........

Posted by: 4th | May 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Have you BEEN to Minneapolis? I wouldn't play well there either.

Let's get the $$ of Redskin's training on the trucker and see how he does.

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Keep this sort of dealing up cerrato, and you might ruin your bad reputation.

One assumes the "conditionality" is related to the kid's health?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

They then turned those 2 first round picks into a 7th from the Redskins, and whatever they got from Jacksonville.

Thats not good....

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:48 PM

What's not good is that they are still banking on Tavaris Jackson ... and what's worse is Big Media is slobbering over Minnesota as the up-and-comer next year. [Yeah, right ... all the bonus points in the world couldn't buy enough Maxgain+ to make that happen.] Minnesota is the new Carolina or new Arizona ... who, I believe, have been left for dead at the roadside.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

4th, that was kidding on your part, right?

I mean, surely you jest, and yes, I did just call you Shirley.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

4th has gone off the deep end. It is a 7th round pick.

Posted by: SkinsFan | May 27, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Geez 4th, I'm no fan of the Spaghetti Gang, but this is a 'no lose' thing. Make the roster and he's worth a 7th pick. Miss it and it cost the Skins nothing.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the anon Jasno haters come up with a "good-on-ya, I was wrong about you" for his James props here? Oops, I forgot, that never happens.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Actually James was the Vikings 1st round draft pick (#18) in 2005. He's been injured last two years. I thought the Vikings released him last week? If so, then why was a trade necessary?

Even so, he's worth a conditional 7 round pick... If he's still injured by training camp, they could stash him on the PUP list for another year.

Posted by: Siris | May 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

A great move! They traded a 7th rounder for a former top 20 pick. If this guy can get healthy, he could really help.

Posted by: Jim Cee | May 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th,


Great deal, dont know how you trade for a guy that was waived but a 7th rounder is a steal.

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Good move.

And surely 4th jests.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I like the move, 4th was obvie kidding...

I like when big/medium/small media slobbers over teams not the skins....under the radar babies...let these other joker teams get HJ/BJs from the press...when has that evah helped the skins?

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

4th's right, of course. But given that they're 'making a run' here... they're still in 'get better now' mode.

..There have been some comments here that I'm not "blog friendly", that I "lack tact", that I don't "tow the blogly line", that I "don't bathe frequently enough", that I "don't follow regular bathroom etiquette" (sp?), that I....

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If he's still injured by training camp, they could stash him on the PUP list for another year.

Posted by: Siris | May 27, 2008 4:55 PM

Without the NFL Europe roster exemption, roster spots ... even just for blocking dummies ... are at a premium. I have to assume that he is at least healthy enough to get into camp. They need bodies to spell the starters. Mathis was healthy and he didn't even last more than a couple of months!

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

the vikings redacted their cut.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I wish my moyle had redacted his cut.

[:-o

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

While at Wisconsin, Palermo produced four first-team All-Americans, and his players were named first-team All-Big Ten a total of nine times. His players were selected Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year four times and two were named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Eight of Palermo's defensive linemen have been chosen in the first six rounds of the NFL draft, including two, Wendell Bryant in 2002 and Erasmus James in 2005, who were taken in the first round. James was a consensus All-American and the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Palermo's entire 2004 defensive line was selected in the 2005 NFL draft.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I'd still rather have Rick James...

I thought this guy got cut already? So why are we trading for a free agent? If he ends up being a player, it's a hell of a move, though. Worst case scenario he's a backup who chips in on special teams, which a 7th rounder typically does anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

FoxSports indicated that Mathis pulled a hamstring. The evil Redskins.com says James will be healthy by Training Camp.

Posted by: SkinsFan | May 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

this is pretty retarded. instead of drafting a tight end and two wide receivers, why didn't we just draft a good defensive end? or, with one of our later picks, we could've grabbed a defensive end too. instead, we're getting some defensive end who's been injured his whole pro career.

we may be giving up nothing, but this certainly isn't the kind of impact defensive end the team desperately needs to take pressure off andre carter and the secondary.

Posted by: jay | May 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Answered my own question on redskins.com:

The Vikings had waived James last week, but they later rescinded the transaction. The Redskins were able to acquire James via trade before he hit the free agent market.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

James has size at 6-4 266lb. He was a good pass rusher before tearing the same ACL in 2006 and 2007.

I wonder who's DE spot he would take if he makes the team? Daniels, Evans, Wilson, or possibly Buzbee?

Posted by: Siris | May 27, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I think why the skins had to trade was because he was waived and not cut. if he was cut he could have been signed, but when a team waives someone he has to be claimed of waivers which could still cost the perspective team something.

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Found this on scout.com ... re: knees ... yikes! [Anyone know a good bionics surgeon?] ...

" ... James had been working his way back from a second torn anterior cruciate ligament tear in consecutive seasons and was limited at the Vikings' organized team activities this week. He participated in light activities, but never much more than stretching and coming off the line on the snap of the ball. He didn't participate in team drills.

James was selected 18th overall in the 2005 draft, the Vikings' second first-round selection after Troy Williamson was their No. 7 overall pick that year. Williamson was traded to Jacksonville for a sixth-round pick in this year's draft.

James entered the 2005 draft with a history of medical issues. He suffered a hip injury in preseason camp in 2003 at Wisconsin and was granted a medical redshirt. After his rookie season with the Vikings, he suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament in the second game of the 2006 season that put him on injured reserve and required surgery. After slowly working his way back during the 2007 season, he suffered another torn ACL in the 11th game of the 2007 season, ending that season with another surgery required. ..."

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Erasmus James is an example of what you don't want to do with high picks. But its pretty common that a high pick doesn't amount to much.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

apparently, the FO doesn't believe a DE can deliver as quickly as a WR.

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

this is pretty retarded. instead of drafting a tight end and two wide receivers, why didn't we just draft a good defensive end? or, with one of our later picks, we could've grabbed a defensive end too. instead, we're getting some defensive end who's been injured his whole pro career.

we may be giving up nothing, but this certainly isn't the kind of impact defensive end the team desperately needs to take pressure off andre carter and the secondary.

Posted by: jay | May 27, 2008 5:03 PM

Jay - we took a defensive end with a 7th round pick. Should we have taken any defensive end because they were available or should we have taken the best player?

Posted by: SkinsFan | May 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

best newz of the day was a bucktownskinsfan sighting!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

cL, here here on the bucktownskins fan sighting! I also note with superpositivity the returning of the Amazing Dik Shuttle!

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

that last comment is quite true, but at least we didn't trade a 7th rounder for another punter.

Posted by: stefan | May 27, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I often bash the beat writer, but i have to give him props for being one of the first to report this trade before the other networks.

Congrats beat writer

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

You guys need to read the blog again. The guy was put on waivers but the Vikings claimed him back, apparently after the redskins showed interest. The redskins didn't want to get in a bidding war with other teams. Why do some of you think we can get any player we want for a minimum price. I still think J.Taylor would cost a heap, worth a heap, I'm not sure.

I think this move is ok, we get him for virtually nothing. I'm not sold on the blown out knee, though. Sounds like this guy could be career over. If he rehabs and becomes healthy - we may have a steal. I think a good risk to take.

Posted by: rando | May 27, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I just want to put a little emphasis on this line from Jasno, potentially suggesting the valium is kicking in ... "Could be a very favorable move if it works out and kudos to them for finally addressing the lack of depth in the trenches."

[Re-reading it, I could see how the J-bashers could read the "finally" as a back handed slap...]

Anybody have the link to the loooong article with the interview of Fred Smoot (it wasn't WaPo or any other news site ... it was something different) where he talks about how the Love Boat was a blip to him, that the bigger drag was the death in his family ... and how Minnesota was probably the worst place he'd ever worked in?

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Just doing a little math here. The average player has about 5 year career. The roster is about 45 players. The rotation (starters + guys who play a lot) is close to 30.

So if the average starter is a starter for 8 years (and perhaps backup in other seasons), that means about 4 new starters per team, every year. And 8-9 new roster guys every year.

On average, that means every guy that is drafted (7 players) has a legit roster shot.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

On the injury, the history of Erasmus James' knees sounds no worse than that of Rocky MacIntosh's knees.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, wikipedia had the info very fast:

James was drafted by the Minnesota Vikings 18th overall in the 2005 NFL Draft. During his rookie year he compiled 28 total tackles and 4 sacks. James missed most of the 2006 and 2007 seasons with injuries. He was waived by the Vikings on May 23, 2008 after a failed physical but they later rescinded the transaction. The Redskins were able to acquire James via trade before he hit the free agent market. The Washington Redskins traded a conditional 7th round draft pick for James.

Posted by: Toady | May 27, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Eight of Palermo's defensive linemen have been chosen in the first six rounds of the NFL draft, including two, Wendell Bryant in 2002 and Erasmus James in 2005, who were taken in the first round" -- is the upside.

Downside is: James and Bryant were busts in the NFL. Did any of these other picks make an impact?

Posted by: Downside | May 27, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

For those that think building through the draft is the only way to go... this is a little scary:

---

I was really hoping that James could eventually come around and be a contributor, but that was probably a bit unrealistic.

So, let's review the Vikings' 2005 draft class, shall we?

7) WR Troy Williamson - Gone, never really contributed.
18) DE Erasmus James - Gone, never really contributed.
49) OL Marcus Johnson - What do you mean "you forgot he was still on the team?"
80) S Dustin Fox - Spent a year on IR and was cut, never played a game for Minnesota. Now plays for the Bills.
112) RB Ciatrick Fason - Gone, didn't do a whole lot, except somehow fool Mike Tice into thinking he was a goal-line back. Currently unemployed.
191) DT C.J. Mosley - Showed some promise in Minnesota. . .and was promptly traded to the Jets for Brooks Bollinger.
219) CB Adrian Ward - Didn't even make it through his first training camp.

Good lord. . .if that's not the single-worst draft class in NFL history, I'd love to see its competition for that title.
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Posted by: Toady | May 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

James has more potential to make and help the team than any other 7th round D-end including the one we drafted.

My guess is the guys knees are shot and he doesn't make it past the first cut but at least he has potential.

Posted by: Patrick | May 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Just doing a little math here.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:18 PM

I understood this to be a maths-free blog.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

At 266, he is either a quick DE ... and after 2 knee surgeries, he's not likely to be that quick ... or perhaps a situational LB. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Skins try him as an outside LB

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Toad, Miamuh's had some pretty bad luck w/ the drafts over the last decade or so. They are often quoted statistically among tha loowest of tha looow.

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Always wanted to get a massive guy to play strong safety. Someone who can run, but is big and fast. LeBron James comes to mind. Though I think he's happy playing hoops.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

James has more potential to make and help the team than any other 7th round D-end including the one we drafted.

Posted by: Patrick | May 27, 2008 5:24 PM

Says you, Mr. Smartypants!

Posted by: Rob Jackson's mother | May 27, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

hell.yes.

Posted by: Ben | May 27, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Ofcourse I was kidding!

I never minded trading picks in the 1st place.

And, I have been on Cerrato's side, as far as giving him a shot. I'm as close as being a Redskin apologist as you can get without calling me one......

Posted by: 4th | May 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Just for a sense of completeness and for those with firewall issues:

On Friday, the Minnesota Vikings informed Erasmus James that they planned to release him. James was an injured defensive end without a home.

Erasmus James

James

Now, he's a member of the Washington Redskins.

Redskins Executive Vice President Vinny Cerato called Vikings coach Brad Childress Tuesday and convinced him to trade James instead of releasing him. In exchange for James, the Vikings will receive a conditional seventh-round pick in 2009.

For the Vikings to receive the draft choice, James has to make the Redskins roster.

The trade was made possible because of the holiday weekend. With no waiver wire on Friday because of the Memorial Day holiday, the Vikings couldn't process James' release until 4 p.m. on Tuesday.

Over the weekend several teams inquired with James' agents about putting in a waiver claim on the injured defensive end.

The Redskins were forced to act because off-season waiver claims are processed in reverse order of a team's record from the previous season, meaning 20 teams had priority over the Redskins. By making the conditional trade, the Redskins controlled James' rights.

James had three surgeries on his left knee and missed 24 games over the past two seasons. The Redskins believe James is 90 percent healed from his most recent surgery and would have a chance to be healthy by the start of the regular season.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I also wanted to bring in Manute Bol to block FGs and extra points

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

WHAT'S THE CAP HIT!?!? We haven't signed the rooks yet.

Posted by: Ben | May 27, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

When you say the team has only 2 proven DE's, are you saying that Griffin is NOT proven?

Also, I am confused on why the Vikings basically GAVE him to us.

Posted by: Jake | May 27, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Griffin is proven.....at DT!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I sort of love this move, FINALLY showing some interest in D line. His college coach is here, change of scenery needed, etc. He'll be hungry, no doubt about it. Would love to see this dude in the rotation.

So... how do we go about testing his glass knees?

We'll know tomorrow after his physical? And how is it that players can fail one team's physical and then pass another team's physical? Do we just call in Dr. Spaceman to handle cases like this?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I still want to know why no one at Redskins Park has traded for me yet, what's the deal Vinny?

Posted by: ALBERT HAYNESWORTH | May 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

i think the manute bol idea is brilliant!

Posted by: 81 | May 27, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I usually criticize the skins moves, but I think this is a great one. 7th rounders are definitely not a sure thing and we only lose the pick IF James makes the team. Considering the guy had 1st round talent a few years ago, I think this is a major steal.....

Could it be that vinny knows what he is doing?

Posted by: Usually a Vinny hater | May 27, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I would have rather taken a chance on odell thurman.he had more int.The one season he played than anybody on our team last year and is only 24.but if he's not healthy and get's cut he cost us nothing.game's are won and lost in the trenches Ol Dl.

Posted by: D.C. | May 27, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I always liked the idea of specialists for certain stuff. I could see Manute waving his hands at the line prior to a FG attempt. Would be hard to the kicker to ignore.

Also wanted a couple of those steroid sprinters to come off the edge for punt blocks.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I like the deal in that there's little risk to it. Unfortunately this guy has done nothing in MN on a much better line than the skins have. My guess is he has little to no impact on the skins.

Posted by: skinswest | May 27, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Talk about upgrading at a position ...

Kate Hudson and Lance Armstrong were spotted canoodling in Cannes this weekend

I mean you give up Sheryl Crow and get Kate Hudson in return? Haillllll YES

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

A tremendous move. Who knows if he will be any good or not... But the team gets to watch him all the way through whatever OTAs are left and through training camp, and can decide: "Is this guy worth a 7th round pick?"

My prediction (if his knee truly is healing up by the start of training camp): They will know quickly whether he has potential or not and give him a shot as a reserve (which you'd be happy with coming out of the draft with a 7th rounder), and let him work his way back to full health... It is amazing how often physically talented guys thrive when given a second chance. And if he bombs or is not in good enough shape, it cost us nothing to find out.

Great move.

Posted by: psdfx | May 27, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

2 knee operations already. But a free look is worth it.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I like the move. Although he could be a Darryl Gardner as well. Bad back played great in DC - wanted to much money and left. He then started the long heralded legacy of the Bronco D-line.

If it works the pick was well spent; if it doesn't then maybe we can draft Manuel White again.

Posted by: ssh1549 | May 27, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

nads

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

get rid of jason campbell.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Great move by Cerrato. James' knee heals up and we may have a player on our hands.

Posted by: SnakePliskin | May 27, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't see this as anything but a news paper article. This guy didn't even pass a physical last week? That's not a good sign at all....Plus he has ripped the same
anterior cruciate ligament two years in a row....

understand taking a chance but with the injury history and never really making any kind of impact on the field...I do not see this really happening....So yeah we give up nothing for NOTHING....Cmon where the real news!

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

When you say the team has only 2 proven DE's, are you saying that Griffin is NOT proven?

Also, I am confused on why the Vikings basically GAVE him to us.

Posted by: Jake | May 27, 2008 5:40 PM

Yes tht is what he is saying because Griffen is a DT not a DE...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Leevi.....huh....this is about as meaty as newz gets in late May.....what exactly do you want?

"This just in, the skins today signed the entire Patriots roster"....or "Today in the Wapo a 6 column piece on the water boy...tomorrow full profiles of guys on roster #93-100"

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone HAPPY?!?!?

We traded a freakin pick. Cerrato and Snyder haven't learned their lesson. We'll never have a full complemant of draft picks. We now will only have 5 picks. Fire Cerrato!!!.........

Posted by: 4th | May 27, 2008 4:52 PM

Did you actually read the article???

"The deal is contingent upon James making Washington's 53-man roster. Could be a very favorable move if it works out and kudos to them for finally addressing the lack of depth in the trenches."

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Jaysis Leevi....hit the bong....4th was k-i-d-d-i-n-g!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Leevi.....huh....this is about as meaty as newz gets in late May.....what exactly do you want?

"This just in, the skins today signed the entire Patriots roster"....or "Today in the Wapo a 6 column piece on the water boy...tomorrow full profiles of guys on roster #93-100"

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 6:53 PM

My point is this guy won't make the team...So to me...No this is not anything but an article. Your samrt comments once agaion do NOT change my opinion that this guy is a bum and a huge bust...he will NOT make the team...Hell he didn't even pass a physical last week.

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd say this was a good deal. You're pretty much playing with house money if you get anything in the 7th round. Let the guy heal up and we'll see what's he got going. The Redskins' draft strategy was a bit of a head scratcher, but at least they haven't done anything particularly dumb as in past off-seasons. They're certainly in the top half of the league talent-wise and didn't need to make major moves, though it's tempting as a paranoid fan to lump them in with the Cardinals and Dolphins.

Posted by: ChrisO | May 27, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

By the way Larry.....

How have ya been?

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Fine thanks...how are you, u seem high strung!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

ChrisO,
I hear ya.

They trade a 7th rounder, if and only if, he makes the 53 man roster.

If not, no harm done.

The knee injuries sound chronic, but if he can come back from it, he'll make the roster.

Erasmus, I wish you well.

Posted by: Stumped | May 27, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry.....I see your point...This is a no risk deal...but I just feel that there is not much of an upside with his history.

"James has had three surgeries on his left knee and has missed 24 games over the past two seasons. The Redskins believe James is 90 percent healed from his most recent surgery and would have a chance to be healthy by the start of the regular season."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3414445

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Fine thanks...how are you, u seem high strung!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 6:58 PM

What makes ya think I am high Strung? Cause of some caps I put in?

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, its the kind of deal you have to like....a gamble with no risk...like a $2 scratch off...you hit anything like $100 and up, your loving life.....come up with sqadush...whateves, the $2 bucks spent on ticket was less calories than the snickers you almost bought.....

Of all the skins moves/issues/problems you can bunch your panties about...this aint one...even if he's cut in July...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

Im not upset or have my panties in a bunch...I think I just got exicted for a milisecond when i saw DE-trade-Vikes....Cause I know they have a very good D line..Then I saw who it was and the let down settled in LOL

Posted by: Leevi | May 27, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

understood....and i meant the collective panty bunch, not yours in particular....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

This deal is not worth mentioning. We pick up an injured player who hasn't done anything in the league. We need a proven guy we can count on. Not someone we hope can give us some line depth. Jason Taylor makes all the since in the world if we are truly trying to win a championship. I don't think we are shooting for a super bowl this year.

Posted by: Paul | May 27, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

These blogs are so boring. Some of you guys have no clue and can't read. Read the blog again!! The skins gave up a conditional seven round pick for a former first round pick who has some upside if he can get over his injury probelems - GET IT! There isn't much risk involved.

Posted by: JBJ | May 27, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

He has no upside. He has showed nothing in 3 years. It's a waste of time to even pick him up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Had a feeling the Skins would pull the trigger on this one. Dude is only 3 years removed from being a 1st round pick, so he must have some talent and they gave up little to obtain him. Wise move in my opinion.

Posted by: Skins Fan In Da Ville | May 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Was going to post on how this was a good move but that's already covered. Then thought that I would say what a dumb move based on his health, but that was also covered. Did anyone bash Jasno on this yet? Actually another good article, so can't really bash him.

Tell you what, I'll just grab a beer and continue reading.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

great move to get mr james, in my opinion.

i also heard that if adam (d##chbag) jones is allowed to play for the cowgirls, he'll wear no. 21. i swear, every time i think i can't possibly hate the cowgirls anymore, they go and give that beloved number to a scumbag and my loathing of them reaches new peaks.

Posted by: unkle heyron | May 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Do we just call in Dr. Spaceman to handle cases like this?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: | May 27, 2008 5:44 PM

Long reputed, NON-TV owner, making a quirkey 30 Rock reference

Posted by: Nate the fake | May 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

But with out a 7th round pick what will I do at 8 pm on day 2 of the draft next year?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 27, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

So are we going to try and set it up so half the team starts on IR? that way next year...

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 27, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

35332,

I don't know what day 2 will bring w/ out that pick... I still can't believe there are people that don't like this move. This guy is a beast! Plus he's 25. Suppose they knew about this during the draft??? My guess is w/ Palermo's connection they did! SOLID SOLID SOLID & WELL DONE 'SKINS F.O.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 27, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Play with your Erasmus James bobbleknee doll?

Seriously, how can you not like this move? 7th round picks suck 99% of the time. And it's conditional, right?

Here's what you need to ask yourselves. Are there any good NFL players out there who have had two ACLs on the same knee? And if not, does the Razzer have the heart to become the first?

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

McNabb broke the same leg a couple times hasn't he?
CLEGG you know I was joking right?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 27, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Forget James, someone mentioned blow jobs earlier. can that person kindly post more info on the blow jobs and where they can be received?

Posted by: Fallo | May 27, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

This move has no downside. We don't like him through pre-season, we cut him. We like him through pre-season, then we keep him and send a 7th round pick to the Vikings. If he doesn't play well this season, his contract will be over and we do not resign him.

Please give it up on Taylor. He isn't even an everyday player anymore. The Dolphins don't even want him. Repeat...the Dolphins don't even want him. If you want another reason, see Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders.

Posted by: BT | May 27, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Please give it up on Taylor. He isn't even an everyday player anymore.

Posted by: BT | May 27, 2008 8:59 PM

Dude, he does play every day. Maybe you meant to say he isn't an every-down player?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey, guys, did you know you can watch certain teevee shows on the computer? It's so true! The future is now... using one device to waste time commenting on a blog AND watch DVDs and some teevee shows AND listen to music AND, get this, you can even buy stuff!

http://www.nbc.com/30_Rock/video/episodes.shtml

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

He plays on Wednesday? That's just gotta look silly!

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Just funning on my friend at 7:58pm. Like, it's funny because it's true.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm excited about this pickup. Kind of like the way that Jets fans were excited when they got Patrick Ramsey for a 6th rounder.

Posted by: etrod | May 27, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the fact remains you don't generally get rich picking up other people's trash. So unless Raz's ACL was sewn together using an original copy of the Declaration of Independence, it'll probably go nowhere.

By the way I'd like to propose two new RI official translations.

"Having said that" = I am about to completely contradict myself, rendering this post irrelevant. (RI code CC-17)

"It is what it is" = I have no fjkn idea what it is. (RI code II-42).

Having said that, it is what it is. Hey we got Eddie George, Vinny T, and Drew Bledsoe under darn near the same circumstances. And they played seemingly forever. Good times.

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Probably not an important transaction, but there is a fair amount of upside. Considering that our 2009 7th rounder is third from last overall (due to the three compensatory picks), we'll still be able to sign whoever the brain trust has as their 266th best player on the board.

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 27, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

By fiat, all future references to him must read:

...Drew Bledsoe, mostly famous for making Tony Romo look like an upgrade...

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 27, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

***EURO 2008 POST***

In addition to the Belmont Stakes, Shabingus day kicks off Euro 2008. June 7 will see Switzerland and the Czech Republic play to a 0-0 draw, while stingy Turkey will hold Portugal to a score of 0-0.

Kost where are ya man, what do you think?....

Holland squad for Euro 2008: Van der Sar (Manchester United), Stekelenburg (Ajax), Timmer (Feyenoord); Bouma (Aston Villa), De Cler (Feyenoord), Heitinga (Ajax), Mathijsen (Hamburg), Melchiot (Wigan), Ooijer (Blackburn); Afellay (PSV Eindhoven), Van Bronckhorst (Feyenoord), Engelaar, De Jong (Hamburg), Sneijder (Real Madrid), Van der Vaart (Hamburg), De Zeeuw (AZ Alkmaar); Babel (Liverpool), Huntelaar (Ajax), Kuyt (Liverpool), Van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid), Van Persie (Arsenal), Robben (Real Madrid), Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic).

We have Vennegoor of Hesselink. It is what it is.

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Good move. Trading for a guy on waivers. That's how 'Niners won all those championships.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I definitely think Erasmus James will help get us to the super bowl.

Posted by: bipolar boy | May 27, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

signing this injury prone bum when the vikings did want him is terrible. 3-13

Posted by: bipolar boy | May 27, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

35,

Yep!!! I knew you were kidding!

Posted by: CLEGG | May 27, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

SOmeone asked earlier, who's the odd man/men out is if E james makes the 53. I guess it's Buzbee, unless D.Evans can play the middle as solid as Daniels, one of them could be odd man out... Daniels could be a Renaldo Wynn example this year. They may opt to go w/ the younger guys but should be fun to watch.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 27, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Proven DE play is too dependent on only Carter and Daniels.

Daniels has a history of injuries...

Thus the move for James is
little risk
contingent on James health and performance
will give Daniels and Carter more rest in less chance of injury in pre-season workouts and games.

So, good move, Vinny!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 27, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

One name Odell thurman..................................

Posted by: D.C. | May 27, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

One word...

No!


must wait and see if he is wiling to take responsibility for his immaturity...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 27, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Honestly this is a really good move.

1) The Skins use one of the best knee ligament surgeons around so if its repairable anywhere it's probably here.

2) If he doesnt make the team we lose nothing.

3) He's still young so if he has to have an additional procedure or something and spend a year on the PUP list - if he doesnt start for us till 2009 - it's still a huge pickup for us, well worth it.

Posted by: Mike C. | May 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Erasmus James, anyone?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 26, 2008 1:44 PM

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Snyderatto does read the blog!

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"He was waived by the Vikings last week after failing to pass a physical, and is scheduled to take a physical for the Redskins Wednesday."

One question for JLa:

If Erasmus failed the physical the Vikings gave him, why would he be able to pass a physical administered by the Redskins, only one week later?

Two torn ACLs in consecutive years in NOT a good thing. Is this guy really worth a 7th round pick, and what is "conditional" about the parameters of the trade?

If EJ doesn't register more than four sacks in 12 starts, then we don't have to surrender that pick in 2009?

Awesome!


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

James has had three surgeries on his left knee and has missed 24 games over the past two seasons.

-espn.com

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"He is young, talented and has a great deal of potential," Cerrato said.

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Magic pixie dust will fix Erasmus' left knee, we hope...

Cheers!


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 28, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Mono blogging:

"In James, the Redskins add a player with the potential to give them depth at a critical position. James' knee troubles would have likely prevented him from becoming the player the Vikings envisioned. If he becomes even a role player in Washington, the Redskins would presumably be happy to part with the 2009 seventh-round choice, but being a role player wasn't going to be good enough for the Vikings, given all they had invested in him as the 18th player chosen in the 2005 draft."

-Mike Sando.

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The Vikings get Jared Allen and trade us Erasmus James, gimpy left knee at no additional cost, a bargain at twice the price!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 28, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Dik, I've been to Minneapolis. I lived in MN and also in MD. I escaped MD to live in Colorado. Anyone who lives in DC or the suburbs should not talk about anyone elses city.

Posted by: JB | May 28, 2008 5:08 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who lives in DC or the suburbs should not talk about anyone elses city.

Posted by: JB | May 28, 2008 5:08 AM

How do people come up with pronouncements like this? [...and post them on RI]

Imagine this were the case. We couldn't talk about New Orleans before or after the hurricane. We couldn't talk about the real estate market in Miami. We couldn't talk about the sin in Las Vegas or Beverly Hills. And we couldn't talk about Philadelphia cheese steaks.

Best of all, no Senator or Congressman could talk about any city except DC and the suburbs. Everybody else's problems be damned! We could use all that tax money to solve our local problems, like how to make me rich!

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 28, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Get 'em TE!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and for those of you worried about the cap hit for this transaction, this was in the article:

James is in the final year of his contract, with a base salary of $1 million in 2008. James, who was born on the island of St. Kitts, did not begin playing football until his senior year of high school in Florida. The Redskins released rookie free agent defensive lineman Dorian Smith to make room for James on the roster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is talking about James and Taylor, but no one has mentioned what a great move it would be if we got Priest Holmes. I believe we could move him to DE, and he would be a great pass rush guy. We could pick him up for nothing and pay the vet min.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is talking about James and Taylor, but no one has mentioned what a great move it would be if we got Priest Holmes. I believe we could move him to DE, and he would be a great pass rush guy. We could pick him up for nothing and pay the vet min.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 6:54 AM

You're an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Why? You don't think he could come off the end quick enough?

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Great stuff, 5-11. A call to sign Priest Holmes never fails to elicit giggles up here.

JB, I don't recall if The AMAZING Dik Shuttle hails from the DC area, but I believe he currently resides in the greater Miami area. Just so you know.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Not a bad move at all.

Posted by: jm220 | May 28, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Why? You don't think he could come off the end quick enough?

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 7:11 AM

No, because he can't even play his natural position anymore, much less another one. I'd rather get Deacon Jones out of retirement. I'd bet the mortgage he could still get 10 sacks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey anon, I'll second the Deacon Jones motion! Besides, he's probably only a couple years older than Philip Daniels!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I've lived all over the world. And I just got back from Colorado. I do currently reside in Miami. I was born in Cheverly & grew up in both Silver Spring & Heidelberg (more specifically, Eppleheim)

I do often take jabs here on the blog. I use exaggeration & hyperbole to perhaps jar people into response.

I do understand that everyone and every place has it's appeal and detractions.

I love the blog & everyone here except for you stinking Dallas fans.

That being said, Minneapolis reminds me of Bowie in the early 80's.

;-p

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | May 28, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

btw, Nate - were you rolling your eyes when you referenced Miami?.... I was...

hahahahahaha.

Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Deacon Jones a pitcher for the Dodgers when they played in Brooklyn? I mean at least Priest Holmes played football.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

dead again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I predict a big falloff by CP this season. Remember he said that prior to Sean's death, he started to lose his passion for football. Then he said he got it back after #21's death. But he had a horrible playoff game. He isn't the same back he was in Denver with this offense, and his new propensity for injury is a sign of both the wear and tear his body's taken under a porous line, and his mental state about football. He's still a threat, but he's not a consistent threat. This season will really point that out.

Posted by: ARE#1 | May 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

If Campbell ever wants to step up, then his first game is a must win for him. National television, opening game against a reigning Superbowl champion division rival on the road. That game will tell you volumes about Jason Campbell. You'll know by the end of that game whether you've got a franchise QB or a pretender.

Eli faced his moment of truth and rose to the occasion. That's why I can sympathize with what you've got on your hands. I'd like to see Campbell succeed 'cause it would really make for even more memorable games with two franchise QB's facing off twice a year.

So look no further than game one this year. One way or another, the questions about Campbell will be answered that night.

Posted by: Eli'sComing | May 28, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Odds are Campbell doesn't step up.


I'm just saying.

Nice move to get James though!

Posted by: Hizzle | May 28, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"He isn't the same back he was in Denver with this offense..."

With due respect, you don't follow the Redskins much, do you?

Old Coach: Joe Gibbs/Boring Joe Offense
New Coach: Jim Zorn/West Coast Offense

New coach, new philosophy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

What is a franchise QB?

I'm so tired of hearing that term. IMO, you have terrible, marginal, average, good, and great. I think the term 'franchise QB" is exhausted. I think the term ws used for the like of Elway, Montana, Marino, Unitas, and Favre.

I think JC has the potential to be good, damn good, but not great. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Red(cheese) | May 28, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

crib notes/quick hits:

priest holmes references to fill position holes = JOKES no need for indignant responses....

Joe Gibbs boring, sorry I can't buy that. I will give you 2.0 was less imaginative and trying to mesh with Weird al a mistake, but his teams still provided as much excitement in the two playoff years as any teams in 15 years, and gibbs offense 1.0 was hardly boring and revolutionized football.....

Portis/JC bashing baffles me....

Posted by: chris larry | May 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

sucks in here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand all these questions. "How do you trade someone when they are waived?" or "What's the condition?".

Read the post dumba$$ it will take you all of 45 seconds.

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 28, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Portis, and Campbell, lets see how they do this year. Lets see how this new offense fits their skill set. Me personally, I think both are going to have good years, IF, and its a HUGE IF, the line stays healthy. If after the 16th game, Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Kendall, Jansen, have played the majority of the 16 game schedule, then the chances of Campbell being successful are increased exponentially. Same with Portis. If they lose 2 starters for the year after game 2 like last year, then the team is going to struggle.

Posted by: Greg | May 28, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

amen beantown, amen.....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

again, cL, a little too young to remember mid-late 80's.

sorry.

i speak for the 25 and younger crowd, cousin.

Posted by: Red(90's baby) | May 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Red,

I was a bit to young to watch Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Sonny J or Ken Houston myself but I know their accomplishments and respect the contribution to the rich skins legacy....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking that either JC or CP has a good year next year, and I'm actually leaning towards JC even though I have some big doubts about him. I'm a big CP fan, but I just don't think he'll have a great year for some reason.


We'll see.


HAIL

Posted by: Hizzle | May 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"... and gibbs offense 1.0 was hardly boring and revolutionized football....."

I'm curious, please educate. What exactly did Joe Gibbs do in his first stint as HC to "change the game".

I thought the game was changed in 1906 when the forward pass was legalized.

Posted by: Red(blissful ignorance) | May 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention that even a youngen (and I feel ya, my littlest bro is a 21 year old die hard who thinks similar to you) can respect the fact that Gibbs 2.0 was a helluva lot more fun than spurrier/norv era....

The second half of the Marty year was an exhilarating ride though...I got mad luv for that squad....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

cl, maybe thats just too simplistic, but if the line is opening holes, and keeping JC on his feet, then it stands to reason that they have a greater chance of being successful, then if CP is having to make 3 cuts in the backfield, and JC wont be completing many passes lying flat on his back.

Not drafting OL at this point is somewhat irrelevant. They're going to have to dance with who they brung....

Posted by: Greg | May 28, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Red,

I was a bit to young to watch Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Sonny J or Ken Houston myself but I know their accomplishments and respect the contribution to the rich skins legacy....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:14 AM
Now I feel Old I watched them all play, except Mitchell.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Red:

The H back, mixed formations, 1 back 3 wide, the spread offense, the Off that the Rams utilized in their greatest show on turf O, the ability to win with "lesser" QBs (see ravens, TB)WRs in motion, the pass catching TE, the power running game, pulling guards, oversized O linemen....

not saying he alone invented all these things but all football historians will point to gibbs as being a leader/inventer/gospel spreader of these types of football...

the other dominant O of the the last 30 years that wasn't WCO is the version Gibbbs helped birth originally with Don Coreyel (sp) and than as Skins coach....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

5-11...

I have faint memories of the Sonny/Billy era...I know when I was a wee lad my most prized possession was my Charlie Taylor jersey....and I knew that Art Monk was great b/c he was the "Next Charlie Taylor"

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

OK I sound like a remember when schmuck....

F cHris LarrY and the pig I rode in on....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Counter Trey, Red90, Counter Trey

He employed it more than any coach previous others followed suit.

It counts, I think.

Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I second that

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Wow! So Gibbs isn't in the hall becuase of 3 super bowl wins, but because of his offensive mind.

My bad, cL. Today your HOF status is measured on the SB's and records, I'm a product of the national media prevarication.

Oh and BTW, I'll take Joe Gibbs over any of the coaches between 1.0 & 2.0

I do have a great deal of respect for the man and what he accomplished here!

Posted by: Red(enlightened) | May 28, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Busy day for the offseason, but after careful review of the posting today and yesterday, the Awards Committee presents the Post of the Day Award for Excellence Out of Context to the following post.
___________________________

understood....and i meant the collective panty bunch, not yours in particular....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 7:09 PM

Posted by: Awards Committee | May 28, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Red, lets just say he is in for the "total package" take a gander at his wikipedia entry gives a succinct account....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I would like to thank my wife, my cat, my coworkers, the great one eyed god Odin and the legacy of Sammy Baugh for my award! I have been both slapped down and exalted by the Awards Committee and I say a hearty thanyee for both!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

chris Larry,

Problem is I wasn't a wee lad, when I saw them play.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Way to go JLC way to give us the inside news only 25 minutes after the press release hit the team's website!! Perhaps you should have used People inside the building to help you scoop profootballtalk.com

Posted by: Official Source | May 28, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Um...dc, the box you sent back to me, that was supposed to contain my 'bonus points'....yeah, that only had packing peanuts in it and nothing more.

Please....send them back to me. They are not yours, and you shouldn't be using them.

Posted by: Greg | May 28, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I second the Marty run cl, that year was exciting even if we only ended up at 8-8. To start 0-5 and end up at .500 was exciting. Daniel Snyder gave us a lot to be bitter about in those 1st couple of years. I'm even more bitter because we got Spurrier after Marty's departure.

That squad was super special. God bless Tony Banks and Stephen Davis. I believe that is when the Redskins were 1 or 2 players short of a Super Bowl run. Too bad we wasted the makings of a great playoff team on marketing shenanigans like Bruce Smith and Jeff George.

Posted by: Dorf | May 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs invented the H-back position as part of his regular sets to have a lead blocker, pass blocker, and reciever which could be shifted at thje line of scrimmage to account for Lawrence Taylor and the prevelance of the rush linebacker.

It was also Joe Gibbs offensive innovations that led to 4 super bowls appearences and 3 world championships. Which also propelled him into the HOF.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

ELI FREAKIN Manning!!! R U kidding me. He's one acrobatic catch from being a super bowl losing QB. He certainly won! I get it. However, he is still an avg. QB. Dilfer won a RING, but no one is claiming he stepped up! Just a lil FYI here...
ELI's STATS 3,336 yds 208.5/gm 23TDs 20 INTs with a 73.9 QB Rating 56%Completion

SOUP's Stats 2,700 yds 207.7/gm 12TDs 11 INT's with a 77.6 QB Rating 60%Completion

I'll take SOUP over ELI... This kid will shine in West Coast,... just look at his Auburn games his Sr. year. He picked apart a great Hokie Defense in the Sugar Bowl!

Posted by: CLEGG | May 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

We have Vennegoor of Hesselink. It is what it is.

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 9:43 PM

With a name like that SMACK he should be a Viking War Lord, not a futbol player....

Posted by: Redcoat | May 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

RED ZONE STATS!!!!


Rank TEAM Poss TD FG Scor TD %
20. Wash. 55 27 18 .818 .491

Just think of the two games we lost against the Giants and Philly where each game we had the ball in the Zone and should have won!! Healthy O-Line and a tall receiver will help this stat!!! 10-6 or 11-5 here we come!

Posted by: CLEGG | May 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree. The giants got to and won the superbowl with great defense and an overall great team effort, not to mention a little luck and several big plays. Eli played well, but not great. I'm not crowning the guy as great until I see him put up much better numbers. He still doesn't scare me. If his last name wasn't manning he would be just another trent dilfer. The Redskins should crush him this year, two times over.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

smells like the deceased in here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I love the smell of dead anons in the morning, its smells like.....victory!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

My main criticism of Eli is his "deer in headlights" look. I don't know him personally (I'm sure everyone else up here does) and I never really played in the NFL (I'm sure everyone up here has), but I have a hard time being inspired by a guy that looks like he's in pain all the time and is not enjoying himself.

I hate to say it, but I sort of get the same "inspiration" from Jason "Tim Duncan" Campbell.

Posted by: Dorf | May 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The redskins had maybe four running plays under Gibbs1. (ok maybe a few more, but only used four) Its simply, you need players that execute - thats it. Well, a little luck with them staying healthy helps.

Posted by: rando | May 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Eli "Dynamite" Manning... as in Napoleon.

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Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I've gotta say the never changing look of Tim Duncan is completely different than the deer in the headlights look of Eli Manning. By looking at their faces you can tell Duncan is just doing his job whereas Eli is about to soil his pants. JC and Eli are similar in that they frequently throw INTs at the absolute worst moments. However, I believe there's hope for JC to be great simply because his main problem was his mechanics and with Zorn's ability to teach those, he should do a ton better this year and next year. Hell, I could probably become a good QB under Zorn's tutelage. Eli's problem more seems to be that he completely folds under pressure, and should have been picked off at least two extra times in the SB, which would have destroyed the Gints.

The little I saw of Gibbs 1.0 was great, but Gibbs 2.0 looked like the most predictable horrid offense I've ever seen because he tried to rush continuously despite having no OL.

Posted by: Karen | May 28, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Lebron James to the Redskins????

Posted by: Hizzle | May 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

With a name like that SMACK he should be a Viking War Lord, not a futbol player....

Posted by: Redcoat | May 28, 2008 10:19 AM

With a game like that, Redcoat, he should be an accountant, not a futbol player! (No offense, 4th).

So heave me heroes, heave and haul
Valhalla hails thee, one and all.

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Yeah... Tim Duncan is a working man. He focuses on his job and TCBs (way to blow last night's game btw).

You don't have to smile and be rowdy and waive your arms around to motivate your players... I don't know. I just get that feeling when the Gints are in the huddle that the veterans are thinking "Just do your job kid, get me the ball."

I also have a man-crush on Brett Favre and Eli doesn't really fit his mold.

Posted by: Dorf | May 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If Campbell ever wants to step up, then his first game is a must win for him. National television, opening game against a reigning Superbowl champion division rival on the road. That game will tell you volumes about Jason Campbell. You'll know by the end of that game whether you've got a franchise QB or a pretender.

Eli faced his moment of truth and rose to the occasion. That's why I can sympathize with what you've got on your hands. I'd like to see Campbell succeed 'cause it would really make for even more memorable games with two franchise QB's facing off twice a year.

So look no further than game one this year. One way or another, the questions about Campbell will be answered that night.

Posted by: Eli'sComing | May 28, 2008 8:39 AM
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Seriously, what the hell is this crap? If you would have said the same thing about your precious Eli a year ago, those drama queens in NY wouldn't have won a damn thing, now would they? The first game of the year doesn't mean sh_t. It's how you finish, and the Giants get props because they finished right last year. But to make a sweeping declaration that JC's first game in a new system under a new coach on the road against a division opponent who won it all last year is beyond ridiculous. If you want to shovel sh_t, I'm sure there's some lousy blog for bandwagoning Giants fans.

Posted by: Eli's Gone | May 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Damn, Karen's hot when she talks football...

Posted by: Karen fan | May 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Karen can you point to times other than last year, when due to injuries, our line in Gibbs 2.0 was bad? I thought the line was dam good at making L. Betts look like an all pro in 2006, or when Portis set skins single season rushing record in 2005 on route to playoffs.

Even last year with injury riddled line they scrapped to the playoffs BEHIND the running game.

Please defend your statements of Gibbs 2.0 having "continuously despite having no OL."

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Deacon Jones a pitcher for the Dodgers when they played in Brooklyn? I mean at least Priest Holmes played football.

Posted by: 5-11 | May 28, 2008 8:01 AM

You're thinking of Preacher Roe. A name I haven't thought about for decades.

Posted by: Don Newcombe | May 28, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the hate on CP? I thought he's been absolutely solid since he's been here. Granted, he hasn't been as consistent here as he was in Denver, but the guy has run for at least 1,300 yards EVERY year, sans the injury shortened 2006. Even then, his numbers projected to over 1,000 yards and 14 tds had he played even close to a full season.

That said, I just don't think Portis is a workhorse back anymore. I think this new regime will find him more explosive by running him in tandem with Betts. To resign Ladell and then never use him like they did last year was mind boggling. I know the West Coast is supposed to be a passing offense, but Zorn should look into getting CP 15-20 carries and Betts about 10-15 runs to take the pressure off of JC and to keep the wear and tear off of Portis. Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

+++"I'm excited about this pickup. Kind of like the way that Jets fans were excited when they got Patrick Ramsey for a 6th rounder.

Posted by: etrod | May 27, 2008 9:14 PM++++

Precisely! That's why God invented the Off-season.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

By the way, 5-11, I hope you were kidding with the Deacon Jones thing. The guy is the greatest pass rusher AND greatest sound bite of all time!

"I'm trying to put as much fear in [the QB's] heart and as much pain on his back as possible..." -- Deacon Jones

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

++++Red,

I was a bit to young to watch Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Sonny J or Ken Houston myself but I know their accomplishments and respect the contribution to the rich skins legacy....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 9:14 AM++++

I saw Nixon, the redskins coach, not the Pres, take Communion. I think the skins won one game that year, and I was amazed he wasn't booed.

I'm even old enough to remember when Otto Graham called Charley Taylor a "wasted draft pick."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

11:29 was me. I'm old and forgetful.

Posted by: corkczar | May 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Brown, could not agree more about the CP/LB scenario you referenced above. Portis needs LESS work, and in this new offense hopefully he can be MORE effective than he has been previously. Betts needs to pick up the slack of those carries, and produce. If there isn't a signifigant down turn in the number of carries/catches that CP has, he'll be junk in a year.

Posted by: Greg | May 28, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Deacon Jones = Orignal Minister of Defense

Posted by: Compeer | May 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I am retroactively restarting my dream for last year...2 1000 yard backs! Last time it was done was Byner/Mack in Cleveland in 80s!

Throw in another 500+ combined receiving yards between them!

Its May....a boy can dream!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of bad for those of you not old enough to remember the glory days of Gibbs 1 (not too bad though, enjoy your youth). I was in 9th grade when the Redskins beat the Cowboys in the NFC Championship, then beat the Dolphins in the Super Bowl. The anticipation leading up to the Dallas game was indescribable; dallas week really meant something back then. John Riggins will probably be my favorite football player ever, simply beacause of the 82 playoffs and Super Bowl; he was the Mickey Mantle/Michael Jordan of the early 80s (to washingtonians). Redskins fans were on top of the world back then, and these were easily some of the happiest days of my life. Many people don't realize, or at least put into print that after Gibbs went 0-5 to start the 81 season, the Skins went 36 wins to 7 losses through the 83 season, with 5 playoff wins, one superbowl win, and one super bowl loss. taht's an 84% win percentage over almost 3 seasons. Then they won the division again in 84 (in dramatic fashion) but lost to the bears in the playoffs. Every few years we were back in the superbowl. We NEVER felt that the team did not have a chance to win it all. To call them the glory days really does nail it on the head; they were truly glorious. Hopefully the "youngsters" up here will be able to gain some "super" memories in the next few years.....there is nothing like being a proud fan of a champion.
Sorry to wax nostalgic on y'all, but I'm with guys like CL and cork when they talk about the good ol days.....

Posted by: dlhaze | May 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

+++I've lived all over the world. And I just got back from Colorado. I do currently reside in Miami. I was born in Cheverly & grew up in both Silver Spring & Heidelberg (more specifically, Eppleheim)

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | May 28, 2008 7:59 AM+++


Not impressed.

I've been everywhere, man.
I've been everywhere, man.
Crossed the deserts bare, man.
I've breathed the mountain air, man.
Of travel I've had my share, man.
I've been everywhere.

I've been to:
Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota,
Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota,
Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma,
Tampa, Panama, Mattawa, La Paloma,
Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo,
Tocapillo, Baranquilla, and Perdilla, I'm a killer.

I've been to:
Boston, Charleston, Dayton, Louisiana,
Washington, Houston, Kingston, Texarkana,
Monterey, Faraday, Santa Fe, Tallapoosa,
Glen Rock, Black Rock, Little Rock, Oskaloosa,
Tennessee, Hennessey, Chicopee, Spirit Lake,
Grand Lake, Devils Lake, Crater Lake, for Pete's sake.

I've been to:
Louisville, Nashville, Knoxville, Ombabika,
Schefferville, Jacksonville, Waterville, Costa Rica,
Pittsfield, Springfield, Bakersfield, Shreveport,
Hackensack, Cadillac, Fond du Lac, Davenport,
Idaho, Jellico, Argentina, Diamantina,
Pasadena, Catalina, see what I mean-a.

I've been to:
Pittsburgh, Parkersburg, Gravelbourg, Colorado,
Ellisburg, Rexburg, Vicksburg, Eldorado,
Larimore, Admore, Haverstraw, Chatanika,
Chaska, Nebraska, Alaska, Opelika,
Baraboo, Waterloo, Kalamazoo, Kansas City,
Sioux City, Cedar City, Dodge City, what a pity.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Greg. I would go as far as to say that if CP gets over 300 carries this season, he won't even make it to 30 years old in this league (see Alexander, Shaun).

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have just two
proven defensive ends on the
roster - veterans Andre Carter
and Phillip Daniels"

Could somebody please introduce Jason La Canfora to Demetric Evans?

Posted by: rb | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, my bad, I have to make a different excuse as to why we could never score points in the first three years of the Gibbs 2.0. I do agree, Betts was spectacular, but we still had no offense. We set a record for offensive futility in the only playoff win during this tenure. Say what you wish about the OL during the entire thing, but it was way too predictable because Mark Brunell wasn't that great (if I remember correctly he had a streak for a few games but just about nothing else) and Gibbs didn't trust JC. As a result they ran when everyone including the stupidest of football fans knew they were going to run, and simply didn't have the tools to smashmouth it when the defense knew it was coming and it counted (i.e. scoring).

Posted by: Karen | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Getting back on E. James, how often does a 7th round pick actually make the team? If he makes then squad, I'd say trading a 7th round pick is a good deal. If he doesn't make the team, then who cares?

Posted by: Kid Bro Sweets | May 28, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I am retroactively restarting my dream for last year...2 1000 yard backs! Last time it was done was Byner/Mack in Cleveland in 80s!

Throw in another 500+ combined receiving yards between them!

Its May....a boy can dream!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 11:38 AM


This only happens if Marty comes back. Notice he was the coach when that happened in Cleveland. No one else in this league would even try to run that much.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Karen, thanks for clarification, I can't argue that one!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Dlhaze,

Thanks for rubbing it in. I started watching football when I was about 13, which was first year AFTER Gibbs 1.0. So my childhood memories consist of Richie Petibon's one-and-done disaster and the Norv Era, not to mention the recent and unspeakable embarrassment of the Spurrier Era. Well, at least we're not Cardinals fans...we can at least look back at America's Game!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I started watching football when I was about 13, which was first year AFTER Gibbs 1.0.
Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:49 AM

So much wrong with this statement. Were you raised by nuns until the age of 13 or something? Are you French? Didn't have a TV, what?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have just two
proven defensive ends on the
roster - veterans Andre Carter
and Phillip Daniels"

Could somebody please introduce Jason La Canfora to Demetric Evans?

Posted by: rb | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM


Could somebody please introduce rb to Demetric Evans? That reads "PROVEN defensive ends", not SERVICEABLE.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I started watching football when I was about 13, which was first year AFTER Gibbs 1.0.
Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 11:49 AM

So much wrong with this statement. Were you raised by nuns until the age of 13 or something? Are you French? Didn't have a TV, what?


Posted by: | May 28, 2008 11:53 AM

That was me, sorry.....but seriously...

Posted by: dlhaze | May 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Damn - lots of hateration for my town up in here. The ball team(s) may suck eggs, but it's a great place to live, despite what Fred "Double-Ended" Smoot has to say. The cold weather - it just keeps out the riff raff.

I'm feeling along the lines of the 6th for Ramsey reference. James couldn't complete the physical. that is not great news. I'm a fan of him getting back to his college coach, though.
The Vikes d-line is scary good. despite what they did against the skins last year, they have awesome power. E.James was probably expendable in their eyes...

Posted by: mnskinsfan | May 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I know no one cares, but my take on why Gibbs didn't accomplish as much offensively in 2.0 and thus make use of what we did have:

1. Bringing in Brunell in the first place....or at least with the trade and salary price tag. Should have gotten younger journeymen and give Ramsey a shot. We were going to be bad, so take lumps and wait a year to see what you needed at QB.

2. He was wise to see after playoff run that the O needed to be to more dynamic, but instead of trusting himself (age?) and staff, or hiring younger coach to bring some savy he hired Weird Al. Weird Al is a good O Coach, and from same Coryell tree, but these two codgers just couldn't mesh and created schizo complex on O. Gibbs is a OFF genius, he should have installed JC right away after 05 and trusted his own instincts, as OFF grew he could expand into more of the Byner/Posse Gibbs Off. JC with his athethetism would have been able to ajust better than Brunnell on fly and keep us in games, rookie mistakes and all.

So to me, he doubted himself and his abilities at the wrong time. Maybe a sign he should have never returned if he wasn't going to trust his own football acumen.

That being said, I will think fondly of 2.0 even with its disappointments.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Erasmus James = Use Ass Jammer

Posted by: Anagram Man | May 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So much wrong with this statement. Were you raised by nuns until the age of 13 or something? Are you French? Didn't have a TV, what?


Posted by: | May 28, 2008 11:53 AM

No anon, Adventists. Just as bad though. My dad wasn't into sports, plus I didn't move to the area until 1992. Somewhere God is laughing at me...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

So much wrong with this statement. Were you raised by nuns until the age of 13 or something? Are you French? Didn't have a TV, what?


Posted by: | May 28, 2008 11:53 AM

No anon, Adventists. Just as bad though. My dad wasn't into sports, plus I didn't move to the area until 1992. Somewhere God is laughing at me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't put too much significance in Eramus James not passing Minnesota's physical. The team wanted him gone, much face saving way to do that is with an injury settlement. The physical exam excuse is what it is, an excuse (or, per SMACK's code II-42, I don't know what it is). The player gets examined by the team physician, who in turn tells him nothing but "hmmmm" and "uh huh" and "oooo". Then the GM (or the designated newsbearer) tells the guy he did not pass the physical. The real question about Erasmus James will come down to whether he can give us what we need, i.e., more cowbell.

Also, corkczar, have you really been to all those places or were you a Roadie in Black?

Having said that ... CC-17 ... just kidding ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

I can tell you exactly where Gibbs went wrong. He should have evaluated what he had already (i.e.-Betts and Ramsey, high picks going into their third season) instead of making pricey trades (Portis and Brunell). Those two moves (in terms of money and loss of draft picks) set this team back in a big way.

Hiring Al Saunders was another thing. Total over-reaction to having a crappy playoff game vs. TB. The team probably still sucks in '06 because of the defensive collapse, but they might win a couple more games and squeak into the playoffs at 8-8.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, Greg, that is some strong innuendo bordering on libel ... I had and have no reason to believe that the package of bonus points I received was from you ... the return address was merely "(Boston)" ... it could have been Mrs. Greg(Boston) ... or neighborhood ne'er-do-well(Boston) ... or Darth Belichek(Boston). Even if you DID have proof that they were your bonus points, I don't have the aforementioned bonus points anymore. Instead, I have this life time supply of Maxgain+ ... (and I think I need to contact my physician). If what I sent back to you (the Maxgain+ bonus points) was anything like the Maxgain+ itself, then there is NO WAY that it did not last for the duration of the parcel delivery. Check your postal carrier ... if he needs to contact his physician, I think I know what happened to your bonus points.

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Brownie, I think we are basically agreeing!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I've been everywhere, man.
I've been everywhere, man.
Crossed the deserts bare, man.
I've breathed the mountain air, man.
Of travel I've had my share, man.
I've been everywhere.

I've been to:
Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota,
Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota,
Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma,
Tampa, Panama, Mattawa, La Paloma,
Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo,
Tocapillo, Baranquilla, and Perdilla, I'm a killer.

I've been to:
Boston, Charleston, Dayton, Louisiana,
Washington, Houston, Kingston, Texarkana,
Monterey, Faraday, Santa Fe, Tallapoosa,
Glen Rock, Black Rock, Little Rock, Oskaloosa,
Tennessee, Hennessey, Chicopee, Spirit Lake,
Grand Lake, Devils Lake, Crater Lake, for Pete's sake.

I've been to:
Louisville, Nashville, Knoxville, Ombabika,
Schefferville, Jacksonville, Waterville, Costa Rica,
Pittsfield, Springfield, Bakersfield, Shreveport,
Hackensack, Cadillac, Fond du Lac, Davenport,
Idaho, Jellico, Argentina, Diamantina,
Pasadena, Catalina, see what I mean-a.

I've been to:
Pittsburgh, Parkersburg, Gravelbourg, Colorado,
Ellisburg, Rexburg, Vicksburg, Eldorado,
Larimore, Admore, Haverstraw, Chatanika,
Chaska, Nebraska, Alaska, Opelika,
Baraboo, Waterloo, Kalamazoo, Kansas City,
Sioux City, Cedar City, Dodge City, what a pity.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 28, 2008 11:39 AM

Is posting lyrics to commercial jingles any better than Barno posting political email forwards?!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually anon, although I agree on posting full lyrics, the song was written by Johnny Cash and on one of his Rick Rubin produced albums (III i think...) than optioned for the commercial after his death...

So its not a jingle, just so thefacts are out there....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

and to fact check myself, I am not %100 sure Cash wrote it, but def recorded way befor commercial...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

it's a blog, facts not necessary, but thanks for your journalistic prudence

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

At least Cash's estate refused to let Ring of Fire be used for that hemmy cream ad.

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I think Rand McNally wrote it.

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

OK:

I've been everywhere was written by Geoferry Mack and was on Cash's excellent "Unchained" album(second of Rick Rubin produced late career materpieces) which was released in 1996...

I have serious work denial today, annoying even myself.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

To be totally honest, such as, I wrote "I've Been Everywhere" and performed it during my first pagent when I was like 3

Posted by: Ms Teen South Carolina | May 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have just two
proven defensive ends on the
roster - veterans Andre Carter
and Phillip Daniels"

Could somebody please introduce Jason La Canfora to Demetric Evans?

Posted by: rb | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM

Could somebody please intoduce rb to the word proven?

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

was that AMTTS on 98rock Theo & Joe show?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I've been to The Iraq, Hackensack, Cadillac...

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have just two
proven defensive ends on the
roster - veterans Andre Carter
and Phillip Daniels"

Could somebody please introduce Jason La Canfora to Demetric Evans?

Posted by: rb | May 28, 2008 11:40 AM

Could somebody please intoduce rb to the word proven?

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 28, 2008 12:35 PM

So by proven, do you mean "pro bowler", "starter", or proven to be reliable when pressed into action? If it's the latter, I'd say Evans is proven. If it's either of the former, I don't believe there are many teams out there that have more than 2 "proven" DE's on their roster.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Such as...

Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The skins overpaid for Portis, although in hindsight the Broncos didn't exactly win the Super Bowl, or have a dominating defense, or even make the playoffs with the overpayment.
When you look at what Gibbs did in 2004, taking over a Spurrier-led team [let me repeat that, a Spurrier-led team], completely rebuilding the defense and offense, paying for Brunell made a lot of sense in context. If you think that Gibbs watched the Ramsey film and thought "I need a QB" [an analysis that 31 other teams have since made], then getting a vet QB for a 3rd isn't a stretch. And his play in 2004 and 2005 was decent -- they got to the playoffs despite losing ALL their RGs, which became a hole too big to cover up against playoff teams. (who was that guy that played RG after Ray Brown went down? I remember he was ~50 lbs. smaller than everyone else... out of his league).

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

you talkin' Lennie Friedman?

Posted by: drbatchelor | May 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Proven as in someone who has shown to be a consistent starter for a playoff contender. I think that is a fair definition.

Evans (2007 stats)
Games played: 16
tackles: 25
sacks: 1
int: 0
ff: 1

Wilson (a rookie, whom I doubt anyone will call proven) had 4 sacks in as many games.

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Proven as in someone who has shown to be a consistent starter for a playoff contender. I think that is a fair definition.

Evans (2007 stats)
Games played: 16
tackles: 25
sacks: 1
int: 0
ff: 1

Wilson (a rookie, whom I doubt anyone will call proven) had 4 sacks in as many games.

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 28, 2008 12:56 PM

And how many teams out there have more than 2 proven (by your definition)DE's on their roster?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

he'll never make the roster. he failed a physical recently and hasn't stayed health, i think it's too little too late. people are getting way too ahead of themselves declaring this a good or bad move.

Posted by: dan | May 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey - I think I found a nit here...

Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying get rid of jason as our starter.he crack's under pressure and make to many mistake's when the game is on the line.great guy but not a franchise Q.B. i hear brady Quinn want's out of Cl.he is in the top five in jersey sale's and only played about five snap's in the regular season.make a trade for him he has that swagger of a starting nfl Q.B. something i have'nt seen in jason.

Posted by: D.C. | May 27, 2008 10:35 PM

Dear Awards Committee,
Can this get the award for stoopidest post of the week? THanks.

Posted by: Paging the Awards Committee | May 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The RG in question I belive was Corey Raymer, or however you spell it. He was our back-up Center but was thrust into action when RayRay went down.

I could be wrong, but believe that's who it was....

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 28, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

In the last couple days I have heard on this blog that we need to trade for Brady Quinn (lol) and/or we have our QB of the future in Colt Brennan (WTF).


Sigh.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 28, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Sween,

Please be advised that my client, Greg(Boston) has retained me as his legal counsel, in regard to the manner of his stolen RI Bonus Points. Those points, as we are all aware are the sole possesion of Greg(Boston). Your use of the aforementioned "RI Bonus Points" to purchase "Max-Gain" is illegal. Please return the remaining "RI Bonus Points" to Greg(Boston), as well as the remainder of the "Max-Gain", but only if the "Max-Gain" really works.

Thank you.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles, Esq. | May 28, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Good Times Hizzle Good times, how about Rex Grossman he might just need a change of scenery, some beltway magic!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 28, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Please be advised that my client, Greg(Boston) has retained me as his legal counsel...

Posted by: Jackie Chiles, Esq. | May 28, 2008 1:35 PM

Oh, Brave New World! Now we have a process server delivering a legal document by means of Redskins Inside Her.

Sween, don't acknowledge this ambulance chaser, and his writ or whatever it is will never hold up in court.

I'm sending you a bill for this legal advice. $5 minutes @$250 per hour, two hour minimum. You can pay me the $500 @ the Shabingus.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 28, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I've been from Tuscon to Tucumcari.

Posted by: Stumped | May 28, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

---but only if the "Max-Gain" really works.---


Oh, it works. It most definitely works.

Posted by: Peter North | May 28, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Tehachapi to Tonopah

Nice one, Stumped!

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn for Jason Campbell???

Oh...that's smart...an unproven QB for an unproven QB.

Oh, I get it...Quinn is white, has a great haircut and went to Notre Dame...

Put him in the Hall of Fame...

Posted by: sicwidit | May 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Colt is the QB of the future, please pass me what ever sh*t you're smoking. I do love me some quality doobage.

We have not seen the tip of the iceburg when it comes to JC. What WR's did he have last year to help? Santana and ARE were much healthier in the latter part of the season vs. the beginning. Be interesting to see if anyone has stats on dropped balls. Our boys were dropping balls left and right on JC last year, but were catching everything in sight when Todd came in.

Also it should be noted that our O-Line got better in the running game as the season went on as well. Which goes hand and hand with the passing game.

Speaking of passing, I am still waiting for a puff off that sh*t.

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

drivin' every kind of rig thats ever been made

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hell we could bring back the Ol' Ball Coach if we get Rexy Sexy...lol He did say Rex was his best QB at FLA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

and if you give me weed, whites and wine...

(BONG!)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8185905146274859830&q=&hl=en

The sound quality is atrocious, but the atmosphere is altogether smokin.

My favorite part is when some clown hold up a urine specimen in front of the camera about 1/3 of the way through.

Posted by: Stumped | May 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

When smoking, remember it's not polite to puff more than two times (Bonjanglin' or Bogartin' if more than twice - according to "Friday" can get killed for this) - and always, always, always, pass left.

It's like driving, pass on the left.

Left if law.

JC is our savior. He makes two completions at the end of the Cowboys and Tampa game and we're all sitting here talking about how great he is and how we're going to win the Super Bowl this year.

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Is posting lyrics to commercial jingles any better than Barno posting political email forwards?!

Posted by: | May 28, 2008 12:21 PM

No not really...

*dum dum dum dum dum dum dum*

Fi-ve dollar, fi-ve dollar...

Fi-ve dollar foot looooooooooong

Fi-ve dollar, fi-ve dollar...

Fi-ve dollar foot looooooooooong.

Posted by: not daveb55 | May 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part is when some clown hold up a urine specimen in front of the camera about 1/3 of the way through.

Posted by: Stumped | May 28, 2008 1:57 PM

I'm hoping that's a bourbon neat, Stumped. If that's a urine specimen, that guy needs to drink a LOT more water.

Although if it's not a urine specimen now, it's destined to become one.

Posted by: SMACK | May 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Bonus points to whoever can recall the site of Lowell George's last concert

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Kiids, if I had a foot long, I'd be makin' more than 5 dollars offa it...

Posted by: Dik | May 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Cory Raymer it was! I was thinking "Corky" for some reason.

I remember watching them come to the line... man, man, man, boy, man!

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Cload ... good call ... though Raymer was playing out of position.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Al,
I'm stumped...?

Posted by: Stumped | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Lisner Auditorium at GW..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Dang it, Anon got it

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Bonus points to


Congrats

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

...more precious bonus points wasted!

Posted by: Stumped | May 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My sister was at the concert, the next day was very strange

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

We could pool all of the Anon awarded bonus points and have a virtual party at the HOF game

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Stumped. If you had only gone to Wikipedia more quickly ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Anon, trust me, those bonus points are more trouble than they're worth. Its only a matter of time before you have to get legal counsel when someone steals them right out from under your nose.....

Posted by: Greg | May 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I'm sure there is a lawyer on this blog that will handle your case for a share of the points

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To those who wondered if indeed I'd been to all the places mentioned in the Cash classic, no. But I've traveled. You could say I'm a travelin' man I've made a lot of stops all over the world
and in every part I own the heart of at least one lovely girl.

I'd travel some more, but like so many US Americans, I don't have a map.


Posted by: Corkczar & Ricky | May 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

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