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Redskins Trying to Land Cutler (Update 2)

The Washington Redskins are actively pursuing a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler tonight, according to NFL sources.

One source said the Redskins are trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible although at least two other teams, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets, are also reportedly interested in acquiring Cutler. The two-year starter became available today when the Broncos announced they would trade him. Denver officials could not be reached for comment tonight.

The Redskins declined comment.

The source said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to finally solve the team's decades-long pursuit of a franchise quarterback.

Another NFL source said a high-ranking Redskins official contacted one NFL team today about the possibility of trading quarterback Jason Campbell for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft. That source said he interpreted the Redskins' overture as an attempt by Washington to put together a package to acquire Cutler.

Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno denied the team had inquired about dealing Campbell.

Team officials have publicly denied interest in Cutler. Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said March 17 that the team was not pursuing Cutler and coach Jim Zorn dismissed the notion while meeting with reporters at the NFL owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif., last week.

If the Redskins fail to acquire Cutler, they risk alienating Campbell, who has been the starter the past two seasons. Campbell, reached earlier today on his cellphone while he was at a charity event, said he wants to stay in Washington.

''I want to be here, I feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish and that's what I've been working to do, but you know it's not in your control,'' Campbell said. ''All I can do is just keep doing what I'm doing, working hard and waiting to see what happens.''

Last season, he was among the main targets of frustrated fans, who questioned his intelligence and leadership skills on Internet message boards and sports-talk radio, during the team's 2-6 second-half collapse after a 6-2 start. The offensive line struggled in pass protection, and the receiving corps did not produce as Snyder and Cerrato hoped, but "everyone always want to blame the quarterback," Campbell said today. "I know I'm improving, I'm working to get better every day, but some people are ... you just know that's the way it is."

After the Redskins failed to qualify for the playoffs, Cerrato declined to commit to Campbell as the quarterback beyond the 2009 season. Zorn has continued to publicly support Campbell, who in only his second full season as a starter last season established personal bests with an 84.3 passer rating, 3,245 yards and 13 touchdown passes while throwing only six interceptions.

Zorn, however, has stopped short of declaring Campbell a "franchise quarterback," saying the former first-round draft pick possesses the skills to become an elite player. Having played in three offensive systems in his first four NFL seasons with Washington, Campbell was eager to begin his second season in Zorn's version of the West Coast offense.

"I was definitely looking forward to being in the same offense for another year and seeing what we could together," Campbell said. "Being in a different system almost every year, you just don't get as comfortable as when you're in the same system for a lot of years. It's just different."

Although Campbell still hopes to be Washington's starting quarterback in fall, "with all the stuff out there, you know crazy stuff happens in this league," he said. "You just have to be ready for anything.

"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."

Cutler is one of only three NFL quarterbacks to throw for at least 25 touchdown passes and 4,500 yards last season, and has developed well the past two seasons as a starter, to the point where some believe he is on the cusp of becoming a star. A trade for a young quarterback of his pedigree is somewhat unprecedented, and the Broncos had attempted to repair the frayed relationship between Cutler and rookie head coach Josh McDaniels, not wanting to deal him until determining the situation was beyond repair.

Cutler expressed a desire to leave after the Broncos reportedly pursued a trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel, whom McDaniels had coached with the Patriots, and the situation deteriorated to the point where Bowlen finally decided to try to trade Cutler.

Cutler was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft out of Vanderbilt, and was heralded for his strong arm, size, strength and athleticism. He replaced Jake Plummer as Denver's starter in late November of his rookie season, and finished 2007 as the league's 12th-rated passer. In 2008 he reached the Pro Bowl, but some scouts have pointed to his high interception totals as a cause of concern. He has been intercepted 32 times in 32 games the past two seasons, and threw at least one interception in 13 of his 16 starts last year. Cutler has failed to post a winning record as a starter, although Denver's poor defense certainly played a role in that.

Washington's West Coast offense under Zorn is not identical to what Mike Shanahan ran for Cutler in Denver, although there are similar principles. The Redskins also lack the star wide receivers Cutler worked with in Denver.

By Jason La Canfora and Jason Reid  |  April 1, 2009; 8:00 PM ET
 
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So wait who do we give them for cutler in that scenario?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

WEEEEEE!!!!

Posted by: JoeyV3 | April 1, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Very, very interesting!

Posted by: suntan | April 1, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The source said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to finally solve the team's decade long pursuit of a franchise quarterback.
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I'd say we're suffering from a decade long reign of error by an incompetent meddling owner.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Bah, this stinks. Well, if this is true I hope we do get Cutler, or there will be some awkward moments in Ashburn...

Posted by: John_Keats | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP TOOOOOOO MUCH TO GET CUTLER!!!! And he's not gonna improve our OL. STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!Remember the days when our owner would sit back and let everybody do the jobs the were hired to do?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

So wait who do we give them for cutler in that scenario?

We give them Jason Campbell, that's who. We might as well, we're not going anywhere with him!

Posted by: suntan | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

100% sure that we will now not get cutler, and JC17 will refuse a new contract.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's just pretend for a moment that this is a substantiated source. I would have to think that a deal would involve another team that would take Campbell.

Posted by: footy_29 | April 1, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Too bad, really. Campbell is so primed for a good year.

Posted by: John_Keats | April 1, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

suntan

please read paragraph 5, we are talking with another team for JC17

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 1, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

1st round pick + Campbell + ?? for Cutler ...

My real fear is our future-mortgaging FO will go with ?? = 2010 1st round pick.

I think the whole thing is a mistake ... if we could have gotten Cassell for a 2nd round pick .. well hey that would have been something ... but I dont think Cutler would solve enough of our problems to justify the price.

Posted by: mac2j | April 1, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I pray for the day that Dan Snyder walks away from the debacle he has created in our once very proud franchise. I hope he reads these comments and realizes how much of a continuous cycle of absurdity he has commanded. JKC is probably turning over in his grave.

Posted by: dannyprimavera | April 1, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

one scenario I could see: we trade our first for JC6, then trade JC17 to TB (D.Williams GM) for their 1st or 2nd.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

''I want to be here, I feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish and that's what I've been working to do, but you know it's not in your control,'' Campbell said. ''All I can do is just keep doing what I'm doing, working hard and waiting to see what happens.''


This is how a MAN acts when he finds out his boss thinks of him as a piece of toilet paper.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

bartender, I will have whatever alex is having.

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

You've got to friggin' kiddin me!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

1 beer 1 shot of vodka and one glass of absinthe for swowra.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

If the skins don't trade JC to Denever, then maybe they'll give mutiple high draft picks over the next two years, most likely a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Getting a 2nd in this year's draft would most likely mean a play for someone like a C/G or a big splash name like Michael Johnson.

Posted by: TWISI | April 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I pray for the day that Dan Snyder walks away from the debacle he has created in our once very proud franchise. I hope he reads these comments and realizes how much of a continuous cycle of absurdity he has commanded. JKC is probably turning over in his grave.

Posted by: dannyprimavera | April 1, 2009 8:15 PM
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Megalomaniacs don't do introspection.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could say what I am praying for Re:Snyder. But I think you can go to jail for that.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"I pray for the day that Dan Snyder walks away from the debacle he has created in our once very proud franchise. I hope he reads these comments and realizes how much of a continuous cycle of absurdity he has commanded. JKC is probably turning over in his grave.

Posted by: dannyprimavera | April 1, 2009 8:15 PM
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Megalomaniacs don't do introspection.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009"

Sigh ... ya know I was right about Gibbs role with this team. You can't coach and keep a nit wit of an owner who thinks like a fantasy game team owner and then acts upon it if he isn't reigned in.

Here ya go evidence in hand: welcome to Spurrier 2.0.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

This is simply SICKENING! Jason Campbell is a stand up, classy guy who is primed to have a great season after FINALLY being in the same offense for 2 seasons.

And Snyder wants to trade him away for a whiny, sulky crybaby who has never faced NFC opponents (defenses)? Please! And what is the rush? The teams after Cutler have the hand since they know the Broncos are going to trade him. But Snyder and Vinny (I understand Vinny is good friends with Shanahan) will trade away our QB and a pick (or even another player) simply because they cannot practice patience or caution?

Can't deal with this anymore!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

APRIL FOOLS!!!!

Posted by: squammy | April 1, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of who the QB, we still don't have anyone to throw it to besides Cooley!

Posted by: goucherj88 | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins get rid of Campbell to acquire Cutler, I will join the legion of Snyder-bashers and accept that this team will never go anywhere as long as he owns it.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

ESPN: 10-1 its Washington, 3-1 Jets.

Washington (10-1): I have quietly heard Washington could be involved in a deal for Cutler since the day the trade story broke. The Redskins have said Jason Campbell is their quarterback, but Cutler is a better player and a trade package could involve Campbell. How about Cutler and Mike Shanahan reuniting in the nation's capital in 2010?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

leevi, Portis and JC17 would have better numbers in Denver.

Portis and Cutler would have worse numbers in DC.

No contradiction.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"Regardless of who the QB, we still don't have anyone to throw it to besides Cooley!

Posted by: goucherj88 | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins get rid of Campbell to acquire Cutler, I will join the legion of Snyder-bashers and accept that this team will never go anywhere as long as he owns it.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 8:30"

Given the salary cap implications they may have to trade Cooley along with Campbell.

Welcome to SPURRIER 2.0: 1st pick of the 1st round is on its way ... but we'll waste it as usual.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

DAN SNYDER IS THE WORST PERSON EVER BORN!!!!!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Jesus you dopes, it's April 1st. Thank You Squammy for being the only one with a brain.

Posted by: BrianLooney | April 1, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone up for an angry mob?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The same problem has persisted here for years under Snyder/Cerrato. The talent procurement and development system is terrible, so the team relies on proven players from other systems, in other divisions to make an impact. Problem is Snyderrato can't project a player's ability in this system, so the play backfires time and again.

Posted by: hehateme | April 1, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"APRIL FOOLS!!!!

Posted by: squammy | April 1, 2009"

WE WISH ...

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

i dont want to sound like just another echo, but this would be a terrible move for the skins. we've run out cambells rookie deal (basically) just wasting time switching offensive coordinators almost every year, rather than finding out if cambell is the long term solution (im convinced he is) and if we trade for cutler, its one more wasted year of our starting quarterback having to learn a new offense and our defense just getting older. and by the time cutler could realistically be expected to be an expert in the system, our defense is done and needs retooling... vicious cycle. and cutlers overrated and over priced anyway.h

Posted by: golfguru | April 1, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

That's it, I give up on the Redskins. Go Ravens!

Posted by: vn1170 | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Washington Redskins: It would take Jason Campbell and the No. 13 overall pick to get in the conversation. The Redskins aren't going to do it, though. Not quite ready to give up on Campbell. -- Matt Mosley"

You don't know Snidely Owl the way we do Matt Moseley.

Great Caesar's Ghost help us!

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Anyone up for an angry mob?

Posted by: alex35332
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I'm lacing up my boots

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

This has to be an April Fools Day joke...after all, if this were a real scoop, FoxSports, ESPN, NFL.com, my Mom, etc etc etc would have already posted it online.

Right?

Just what I need...my Vandy alum girlfriend constantly begging for the Cutler to Yoder combo. Maybe we'll draft DJ Moore to play the slot position that Leigh Torrance used to DOMINATE at, until the greatest injustice of all happened to him.

Posted by: Section104 | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Watch as all your future's die ..."

Snidely Owl the Borg to Redskins fans.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Not giving up on the team as a fan, just going to give up as a fan who wants a super bowl. We are the Oakland Raiders of the east.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

GET READY FOR SHANAHAN IN 2010

Posted by: wattsicon | April 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

This team needs to fall flat on its face with a record of 3-13 or 4-12 in order for Snyder to fire Cerrato and hire a real GM.
It's really a shame that fans have to root for the worst in order for the owner to realize his plan (if he actually has one) isn't working.

Posted by: hehateme | April 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Its on ESPN but they seem to feel the Jets are in a better position to pull it off ... and they are right.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

turn to comcast end of 2nd PD check for updates

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason and Jay are almost identical statistically. The main difference is maturity with Jay throwing 3 times more interceptions, but getting a few more yards per completion. If Synder trades one up and coming quarterback for another and also gives up draft picks we should check to make sure he is not a double agent for Dallas.

Posted by: dcg11 | April 1, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if the Skins keep the 13th overall pick, because if they do it will probably turn into another C. Rogers--overrated, and badly beaten in the secondary time and again.

Posted by: hehateme | April 1, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins

The Redskins are the masters of big-splash moves, so on that basis, they easily could jump into the fray. But that would assume they have given up on Jason Campbell and want to give Jim Zorn, their quarterback-guru coach, a more developed project that could generate greater rewards.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!!!!! THIS IS REALLY CRAZY. FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS - TRUE. BUT ANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IS RUN BY A SME (SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT). IS THERE ANYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT CAN CLAIM THIS DISTINCTION WHEN IT COMES TO EVALUATING TALENT? AND ASSEMBLING A COMPETITIVE TEAM? H_E_L_L NO!

Posted by: BenThere | April 1, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

BenThere--good point. Does anyone else think Cerrato feeds Snyder BS to keep his job. Snyder needs to open his eyes!

Posted by: hehateme | April 1, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

alex35332, I'm staying right where I am. No more Bret Michaels...not falling for that trick again.

Wait...maybe Leonsis can buy the Redskins so we can build a real franchise!

Posted by: Section104 | April 1, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Really? Joe leaves and we're back to our old "fantasy football" ways. The FO lacks vision and patience. Go win a championship with another team JC.

Posted by: MPIII | April 1, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is officially running for president of stupid

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? This is a TERRIBLE idea. I don't care who you have under center. When your offensive line is as porous as ours was last year, you could have Tom Freakin' Brady and you'd still miss the playoffs.

We trade Campbell and #13 overall for Cutler? Who's going to play right tackle for us? Who's going to play linebacker?

Snyder, sell the team and sign up for about 40 fantasy football leagues to keep yourself busy!

Posted by: drischord | April 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

From the BEAST: quoting Spurrier Fan Mark Maske:

Handicapping the race for Cutler

April 1, 2009 3:00 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

No matter where you reside in the vast ESPN.com NFL Blog Network, the latest development in the Jay Cutler saga is big news. There may be as many as 10 teams willing to at least kick the tires on a potential trade for Cutler.

Fortunately, a longtime Beast (and Hashmarks) reader named Mark Maske of the Washington Post has handicapped the field on "The League" blog. Here's what Mark had to say about the Redskins' chances:

"Coach Jim Zorn said at the annual league meeting last week that the Redskins weren't among the teams pursuing a trade for Cutler," writes Maske. "But that hasn't stopped the speculation linking the club to Cutler. Zorn also said that any NFL coach would have to contemplate the possibilities if the Broncos called and offered Cutler in a trade. One problem for the Redskins is that their options are limited because of a lack of draft picks. And it isn't like Jason Campbell played poorly in his first year with Zorn. It says here that the Redskins trading for Cutler is a long shot, but they're included on the list because so many others are convinced they'll be a factor in this."

Mark, it's OK to use that "I" key every now and then. I've found it to be quite useful over the past couple years.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

You're smoking something if you think a team will part with a first or second for Jason. He has multiple years in and it ain't there. I don't dislike the man but that's the way it is. As far as what Denver needs .. two things the Skins don't have to trade, defense and a pick high enough to get a prospect QB.

Posted by: tslats | April 1, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Really? Joe leaves and we're back to our old "fantasy football" ways. The FO lacks vision and patience. Go win a championship with another team JC.

Posted by: MPIII | April 1, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse


Could Cutler end up in the Beast?

April 1, 2009 9:55 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

The Jay Cutler saga in Denver took a shocking turn Tuesday evening when Broncos owner Pat Bowlen issued a statement saying, "we will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request to be traded."

Only a week earlier, head coach Josh McDaniels had vowed to heal his relationship with Cutler, who became angry when the Broncos shopped him in a possible trade scenario at the beginning of free agency. If I had to guess right now, I think the Lions and Browns are the most likely trading partners.

But which team in the NFC East might be interested in Cutler? The Eagles are having their own (annual) mini-drama with Donovan McNabb and they have a former second-round pick waiting in the wings. If Andy Reid got caught sniffing around a potential Cutler deal, McNabb might react more dramatically than Cutler. And he'd have good reason since he just led the Eagles to an NFC Championship Game.

No, the most likely candidate in the Beast is Washington. Vinny Cerrato shot down initial reports that the Redskins were interested, but it wouldn't surprise me if he at least did his due diligence on a potential trade. Jason Campbell is preparing to enter the final year of his contract, and the Redskins haven't shown any interest in a long-term deal. I think it's a big mistake on their part, but that's the way they've chosen to approach this thing.

They'd have to give up their first-round pick (No. 13) and probably Campbell to get in the Cutler sweepstakes. If you're a Redskins fan, do you make that deal?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Cutler or Campbell. Campbell has performed well, but is by no means (yet, at least) an all-star, franchise QB. Cutler seems like a big baby, so he should fit right in with Snyder and Cerrato.

However, if this team trades Cooley, it will be the nail in the coffin for me as a fan.

God, I hope this is JLaC's little April Fool's joke on all of us...

Posted by: PDiddy | April 1, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This cannot possibly happen...


can it?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Who will replace Cutler in Denver?

April 1, 2009 12:27 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

We know the Denver Broncos are going to trade quarterback Jay Cutler. The question Broncos fans need to ask themselves is who is going to replace Cutler?

It has to be somebody. It can't be new backup quarterback Chris Simms, can it?

I wouldn't think so. The following is a list of potential replacements for Cutler, in alphabetical order:

Jason Campbell: Since the day the Cutler saga started, I have quietly heard that Washington could be involved in a deal to get Cutler, offering Campbell in a package. Campbell may not be the answer, but at least Denver could play with him now as it tries to regroup from the Cutler disaster.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will never learn he just wants a fantasy team to put together. Getting rid of Jason Campbell for Jay Cutler. It shows just how much class Jason Campbell has by saying to Kellie Johnson that he's not worried about the trade rumors had he had all the class in the world. Jim Zorn will be next cause if they do get Cutler a trip to the playoffs and a run in the playoffs will get him fired and welcome Mike Shanahan. So Vinny you better be looking over your shoulder. On the John Thompson Show the numbers on Cutler and Campbell were announced and they were very similiar. from victories losses passer rating the only differences were TD's which Cutler wins and Interceptions which Campbell wins also Campbell also wins in rushing yards, Callers on the JT show wanted Cutler but nothing personal against Campbell. Dan Snyder would not even give J Campbell a vote of confidence. Campbell is getting a unfair deal in all this. Being under 3 different OC since he's been in the League an O-Line which needs to redone. And now you want to get rid of Campbell Real Redskin Fans are patient Rome STILL wasn't built in a day. Jason Campbell is a Class Act Stays as Jim Zorn says Medium even keel Like Brian Mitchell said today one caller said that Cutler shows emotion and Campbell never displays that. But as B-Mitch said when the Skins were 6 and 2 Oh Campbell shows poise but when they went 2 and 6 down the stretch it was aproblem. So instead of saying how Cutler really is IMMATURE he's just an EMOTIONAL LEADER that the Skins really need. If he does come here can't wait to see him get in Clinton's face. But you redskin fans who want Cutler can't see the forrest for the trees. What about the O-Line problems?? what about the D-Line and what about the Line Backing issues the Redskins have? Even talking about taking Mark Sanchez from USC? Maybe Jason Campbell ought to ask for a trade? Oh I forgot he's too classy a guy to do that! THIS YEAR WILL BE A WASTE. The decades of incompetent QB's and NOW? you want to do something about it? How about a decade of Dan Snyder?

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 1, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

BRING BACK JOE before its too late!

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I have a dream that one day the redskins banner will be raised high from DC. That a team of young player built through the draft on the foundations of strong blocking and smart play, will go deep into the playoffs. I have a dream that one day in the cold of winter, that New RFK will be filled with 100,000 Washingtonians to cheer for their team as they play for the NFC championship, that the stadium will shake and the city will glow gold and burgundy.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone up for an angry mob?

Posted by: alex35332
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I'm lacing up my boots

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM

Got my pitch fork

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to ZERO and SIXTEEN. (or is it going to be eighteen?)

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I have a dream that one day the redskins banner will be raised high from DC. That a team of young player built through the draft on the foundations of strong blocking and smart play, will go deep into the playoffs. I have a dream that one day in the cold of winter, that New RFK will be filled with 100,000 Washingtonians to cheer for their team as they play for the NFC championship, that the stadium will shake and the city will glow gold and burgundy.

Posted by: alex35332

That's the world I'd like to live in

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone up for an angry mob?

Posted by: alex35332
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I'm lacing up my boots

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 1, 2009 8:37 PM

Got my pitch fork

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009'

Damned, Snidely is worst than a high school kid. Can't wait til they finish 0-16 or similar. Then its time to ride him out of town, tarred and feathered on a log.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a dream that one day the redskins banner will be raised high from DC. That a team of young player built through the draft on the foundations of strong blocking and smart play, will go deep into the playoffs. I have a dream that one day in the cold of winter, that New RFK will be filled with 100,000 Washingtonians to cheer for their team as they play for the NFC championship, that the stadium will shake and the city will glow gold and burgundy.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:50 PM


A tear rolls slowly down my left cheek, as I too have had that dream.

It hurts to wake up.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

God, I hope this is JLaC's little April Fool's joke on all of us...

Posted by: PDiddy

Nope - this is not a joke. Jason Reid reported it on Sports Night. And both Mike Lombardi and Mike Florio were on the NFL Network saying "Skins" would get Cutler. The guys on NFL Live are all saying the Panthers would be the best fit for Cutler as they have all the other "parts." But the Panthers are not that stupid.

This is a nightmare.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse


Mel Kiper, ESPN's long-time draft "guru" -- in quotes because he misses badly as much as he hits -- definitely agrees with me. He also thinks Cassel is better than Cutler, but that's not why we're here. He seems to have way too much personal disdain built up toward Cutler.

"This guy was overhyped at the combine, he was overhyped at Senior Bowl week, he's been overhyped before he was drafted. The media, they love Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler can do no wrong. I've been saying he's overrated since day one. Everyone's been pounding their chests saying, 'Oh, I love Jay Cutler, I'm a genius.' They have egg on their face now."

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope that "NFL source" is Cutler's agent trying to drive up the bidding for his client.

Because if this deal goes down, I'll stop watching the Skins as long as Dan Snyder owns them.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

As if his above comments weren't absurd enough, Kiper compounded them by making an ill-conceived comparison.

Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George. "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous."

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If this is true:

I hate you Dan Snyder...you are the Baby Huey of owners. Sell the team immediately. I will never attend one of your games unless I get the tix for free and don't have to pay for parking, and I'll be sure to pee all over the bathroom wall before I leave.

If this is not true:

Disregard my previous statement,

Posted by: p1funk | April 1, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Its Spurrier 2.0 starring Jeff George 2.0.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Then its time to ride him out of town, tarred and feathered on a log.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:54 PM |

Is it okay that he be tarred and feathered on a blog instead of a log?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 1, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

So wait who do we give them for cutler in that scenario?

We give them Jason Campbell, that's who. We might as well, we're not going anywhere with him!

Posted by: suntan | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Be very careful saying bad things about Campbell on here...You will angry many!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh BTW Kiper is right ...

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I think that its Jeff George V. 6.0 adding up all the crap QB's we really had

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope this is an April Fools joke, because this is a classless way to handle this. It represents the worst of the Redskins multi-headed beast, and is the same thing that happened last year when the Skins dumped Leigh Torrence. Sure, Torrence (and Campbell) might not be hall of fame material, but you cant ignore locker room respect. Anyone guess what our record was without Torrence last year? It aint great. Im just saying...

Plus, I wonder what Cutler would have done in three different systems (Gibbs, Saunders, Zorn) with smurf receivers and a band-aid line and an over the hill running back who cant make it 8 games into the season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Nice try JLC, you forgot to say April Fools.....fool

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 1, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, history shows that when Dan Snyder targets a player he usually gets him, no matter the price. So I'd say the odds are that we will have Cutler here and Campbell will be somewhere else next season.

History also shows that the Redskins win the off season but don't do that well in the actual season. So...any predictions on that score?


Posted by: dcc1968 | April 1, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"So wait who do we give them for cutler in that scenario?

We give them Jason Campbell, that's who. We might as well, we're not going anywhere with him!

Posted by: suntan | April 1, 2009"

Remember idiot, Snidely is the one who brought Jeff George here. Snidely is the one who insisted he be put into games.

When Campbell makes the pro bowl and becomes the top rated QB and passer as Gibbs thought he would there will be a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth in Washington.

All deserved, all deserved ... what a bunch of f*(&^% idiots, well mostly fantasy football playing high school kids.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Cutler for Campbell is about even. Campbell for a 2nd round pick would be larceny. A NFL QB who throws only 6 picks in an entire season for a 2nd rounder? No way. Campbell is worth at least a #1 plus something more unless we're a top 5-10 pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a classy owner and a real O-line. I have no doubt his career will take off under those circumstances.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell gets traded, I hope he goes to a decent team and wins a couple Super Bowls.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

At least if this knuckleheaded deal goes though, I won't feel so bad when this team is locked-down at the bottom of the NFC East.

Just wait until Cutler starts badmouthing his O-line and recievers!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

this is soo exciting....woohoooooooooooo go danny boy!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Alan we all deserve that

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Cutler for Campbell is about even. Campbell for a 2nd round pick would be larceny. A NFL QB who throws only 6 picks in an entire season for a 2nd rounder? No way. Campbell is worth at least a #1 plus something more unless we're a top 5-10 pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse
-------------------------------------

This was the ownership that invested a 2nd rounder and another pick in Jason Taylor, plus picked up his $8 million per year contract, FROM A TEAM THAT DIDNT WANT HIM.

The Dan knows about getting a good deal but wants no truck with it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I like Campbell as a person and I think he is a decent QB. BUT, if you get the chance to get a talent like Cutler you pull the trigger. I hate to admit it but Cutler is a major upgrade on Campbell.

To all you Skin fans that will abandon the team if they make this trade, just get off the ledge. You will be back with them in training camp and the season. Dont try to decieve yourself into leaving Skin nation.

Cutler improves this team....great release, accuracy, slides in the pocket smoothly. Zorn is a very good QB coach and will improve his decision making. He is a long-term Pro bowl caliber QB and has the potential to be a championship caliber QB.

Posted by: gallrick | April 1, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

we need a GM in a BAAAD way

Posted by: TheSuperhoo | April 1, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm in tears.....can't believe this is happening! Why are they in such a DAMN Rush??? Oh, I forget...this is the way they do everything!

Wish our opposition would have the same effect as the almost certain hiring of Fassel last season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dan Snyder,
Please do the redskins a favor and go buy the Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Denver, I let some offers roll in before I make any sort of move. Denver isn't going to get any QB better than Jason Campbell in a trade. Which is why they would consider the Skins offer.

Earlier, I'd indicated this would be a 3 team deal involving Matt Leinart and AZ. Its still possible. The real issue isn't the QB, as important as that is. Its Shanahan.

I keep saying it, think one step ahead. Cutler + WCO + Zorn as current HC. It all screams Shanahan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Busy day at work. Any thing happening at Redskins park today? Who are we getting with our first round draft pick?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and sjk one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and sjk 'em all."

Where is Danny "Pac Man" Snyder's Bob Hodges?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 1, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

This fits the pattern of Snyder selling the hype in the offseason.

Maybe the trade is for Colt Brennan, not Jason Campbell. Brennan played in Colorado before transferring to Hawaii, and he's from California.

What's up with all the deals between the Redskins and the Broncos over the years? Somebody needs to follow the money on that.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 1, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Unless he can block, it won't make any difference. Maybe instead we could just draft 2 or 3 QBs in the early rounds of the draft.

Posted by: noahwayy | April 1, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

OMG The Redskins are trying to trade for a Qb...OMG....

You guys act like it's the end of the world.....

well everyone on here complains about everything the Skins do so why not....

It was NOT that long ago when EVRYONE on here was bashing the Skins for Drafting Campbell etc etc etc...and NOW? LOL

He is our God and saviour we can't live without....

EVERYONE hated we drafted Campbell now everyone loves him

make up your minds!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder does this he is an idiot. This team needs consistency as much as it needs help at right takle, center/guard, outside linebacker, and defensive end. As many of you have said, with a better offensive line I feel JC is ready to break out after being in Zorn's system for two years in a row, plus I'm betting that at least one of the 3 receivers we drafted last year will step up and make some plays this year. It's been too much stopping and starting around here for too long. As you guys know, success in the bedroom doesn't involve starting and stopping, you go steady nonstop until you reach success, that technique can also be applied to building a succesful football team, instead of all the fitful,unsure,panicky, and fretful stops and starts that have characterized this franchise ever since Mr.Snyder became owner. Plus I'll take Jason Campbell the person, over Jay Cutler the player(supposed talent and all, he hasn't really done anything of note)any day. In order for a team to be successful they have to have talent, but it helps to have a little DECENCEY around too!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Can't stand the Skins but be happy you have an owner that goes for it. Get's a little twisted at times but at least it's for something you all want .. a winner.

And so Cutler? Unless your name is Albert I guarantee you are expendable in any trade for Cutler. Danny will take a big shot at this. If he gets it, don't be surprised to see a number 1 and a player you know and love to depart. But, you'll finally have an offense that wins games for you.

Posted by: tslats | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"I was definitely looking forward to being in the same offense for another year and seeing what we could together," Campbell said


Hate it that Campbell is speaking in the past tense. Means that this rumor stuff is getting to him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

has anyone watched this past season with an opened mind? jc was not the problem the last 8 games. offensive line got tired and play calling was predictable with run 2 downs and throw short passes on 3rd. Cutler threw for those yards because he had an offensive coordinator and he had no running game. jc will throw for 4,000 yards 22 td's this year if giving the chance. any jc supporters?

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

This is digusting. Lifelong skins fan and I've never had any problem rooting for any of the guys we put on the field. Not only would aquiring Cutler represent everything short-sighted and wrong about ownership, the guy is just not cool. I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to like him. I was happy with Jeff George, even Deion when he put on the burgandy and gold. I can't take this owner any longer. Our O line is on its last legs and our D line is middle heavy -- no ends to speak of. We need a good starting DE, a couple OTs, like 2 or 3 more linebackers, a nickle corner, a safety, a #1 or 2 WR, and soon we'll need a running back.

I don't know... maybe they asked Zorn and he said pull the trigger. Would like to know if that's the case. However, if Cooley goes, I go.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

this is soo exciting....woohoooooooooooo go danny boy!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL dealer LOL You go dealer LOL NIce!

nOW THAT IS A GREAT POST!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's ruin another quarterback with the sad offensive line situation we have.......

Posted by: meyers_s | April 1, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

i remeber when most on this blog bashed the Skins for letting Arrington go...that was a mistake huh?

I also remember this blog mostly bashing the Skins for even drafting Campbell...Now you can't live without him...I know it's tough to let go of our Pro bowl QB...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Take one incompentent headline hunting owner (Snyder), add one over-rated quarterback on a team with no defense playing catch-up in a weak conference and you get another Redskins screwed-up fiasco. Even if this deal falls through, the Skins have the same scenario that Cutler has in Denver. Look what happened there. As a Redskin fan since Eddie LeBaron, the Ravens are starting to look really good.

Posted by: golfwise | April 1, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

This is not an April Fool's joke...but then you knew that deep down inside.

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 1, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

...and get this, we play Denver this year at home...

Campbell's stats
28/36 395yds. 4TD's 0INT

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Can't stand the Skins but be happy you have an owner that goes for it. Get's a little twisted at times but at least it's for something you all want .. a winner.

And so Cutler? Unless your name is Albert I guarantee you are expendable in any trade for Cutler. Danny will take a big shot at this. If he gets it, don't be surprised to see a number 1 and a player you know and love to depart. But, you'll finally have an offense that wins games for you.

Posted by: tslats | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM

That's been the promise for over 10 years, now hasn't it? Problem is, we've had 6 head coaches and 10 starting QBs in that span. Unless this is a cruel rumor, the cycle continues...

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE hated we drafted Campbell now everyone loves him

make up your minds!

Posted by: leevi98

Speak for yourself, Leevi! I was happy we drafted Campbell.....perhap YOU consider YOURSELF to be "everyone" but you are way off base.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Its Denver who should be packaging Cutler and a pick to us in exchange for Campbell. Denver won't get a better QB than Campbell in a trade. Danny is the one with leverage in this situation. If he's hell bent on making it happen, at least he ought to know he's can drive a hard bargain.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Major publications usually have an editors note saying an article is April Fools. In fact the Washington Post's Security Fix column had such a note. So I assume this is legit (it's not that far fetched anyway).

As for the content, it's stupid. For the last decade, the Redskins and Lions both seem like they're being managed by people that play way too much fantasy football.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | April 1, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I was never against letting Arrington go...

and for some idiot to suggest that this is equal to letting Leigh Torrence go is smoking angel dust from Bill Walton's bong!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 1, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

if this is an april fool's joke...that would be soooooooo soooooooooo mean cindy! love ya boo!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 1, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

ESPN: 10-1 its Washington, 3-1 Jets.

Washington (10-1): I have quietly heard Washington could be involved in a deal for Cutler since the day the trade story broke. The Redskins have said Jason Campbell is their quarterback, but Cutler is a better player and a trade package could involve Campbell. How about Cutler and Mike Shanahan reuniting in the nation's capital in 2010?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

i posted this hours ago....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

BOOOOOOOOOO HiSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Cutler doesn't have a winning record. This would be a huge gamble.

C'mon Bucs and Jets. They need him more than we do

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF JASNO'S POST VERY CAREFULLY

And add to that, we have some serious O-line problems.

What other holes will Snyder open up on the team with this trade?

If Cutler ends up here, he's going to wish he was back behind Denver's O-line--just like Portis did when he was getting hammered last season.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

hold up...would Campbell's backup in Denver be Patrick Ramsey?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE hated we drafted Campbell now everyone loves him

make up your minds!

Posted by: leevi98

Speak for yourself, Leevi! I was happy we drafted Campbell.....perhap YOU consider YOURSELF to be "everyone" but you are way off base.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

At the time I liked the draft pick...but after wacthing Campbell a few years I don't think he is the man to takes us where we want to go.....

your right Lisa i should not say everyone...but I do remember lots on here not being happy when Campbell was drafted.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Denver has time to explore all the options that will get tossed in their direction. Since some 3 way trades are likely part of the mix, I'd be surprised if a deal closed right away. But I doubt there is any other QB as good as Campbell being offered up.

fwiw, Cutler coming to DC would represent another questionable character guy. Since Gibbs left town, that would make 3 top players with character issues: Hall, Haynesworth and Cutler.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"i posted this hours ago....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Hey Talent Evaluator ... me thinks this guy has me beat for making more and the most inane postings ...

why not keep track of him?

and where are all of you guys??? Or you really happy that the SnidelySkins are about to self-destruct yet again.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah... Campbell was the problem. Defenders were on him nearly as fast as he could drop back, plus we only had one good receiver who was regularly double-teamed. I can't wait to watch Campbell go somewhere else where he'll actually have a chance at a champtionship.

Maybe Justin Tryon can play some QB too.

Posted by: Redskinrex | April 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

don't be surprised to see a number 1 and a player you know and love to depart. But, you'll finally have an offense that wins games for you.

Posted by: tslats | April 1, 2009 9:20 PM

That's been the promise for over 10 years, now hasn't it? Problem is, we've had 6 head coaches and 10 starting QBs in that span. Unless this is a cruel rumor, the cycle continues...
Posted by: Alan4

Agreed, very hard to see this making us a better team

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

This is not an April Fool's joke...but then you knew that deep down inside.

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 1, 2009 9:24 PM

You're right, Cindy, because Snyder thinks Skins fans are Fools 24/7/365. Looks like he flushed anything he learned from Gibbs and went back to his old team-destroying ways.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

History also shows that the Redskins win the off season but don't do that well in the actual season. So...any predictions on that score?

Posted by: dcc1968 | April 1, 2009 9:06 PM

Yeah. This year they lose the off season plus the actual season. What a laughing stock of a franchise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Washington (10-1): I have quietly heard Washington could be involved in a deal for Cutler since the day the trade story broke. The Redskins have said Jason Campbell is their quarterback, but Cutler is a better player and a trade package could involve Campbell. How about Cutler and Mike Shanahan reuniting in the nation's capital in 2010?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

i posted this hours ago....

Posted by: leevi98

And I posted the Cutler plus Shanahan thing weeks ago ... before the 'regular' media had a clue on it. Guess my sources are better than theirs :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"What other holes will Snyder open up on the team with this trade?
Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009"

I suspect Snidely will have to trade all the high round picks because he won't have any rookie pool to speak of ... the salary cap will be a shambles. They will almost certainly lose most every single game ... and then

Mike Shanahan reappears as head coach I suppose.

Maybe Zorn will end up with JC whereever he ends up going.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This is retarded. Cutler had slightly better numbers than Campbell but he was behind a nasty OL and has Brandon Marshall and that "big" receiver in Eddie Royal, and he played in a terrible division...I will seriously be pissed if this crap is for real. Dannyboy is garbage, I'm lacing up my boots grabbing my pitchfork and lighting some torches..

Posted by: BostonWarPath | April 1, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Its Denver who should be packaging Cutler and a pick to us in exchange for Campbell. Denver won't get a better QB than Campbell in a trade. Danny is the one with leverage in this situation. If he's hell bent on making it happen, at least he ought to know he's can drive a hard bargain.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:26 PM


Yeah! If we get high draft picks out of this, then it doesn't suck nearly as bad as we thought!

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"hold up...would Campbell's backup in Denver be Patrick Ramsey?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009"

Ironic? Two Skins 1st round draft pick QBs in Denver. All they would need is Brunell as the 3rd stringer.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Talk about self-inflicted wounds, Josh McD really did a job on himself. He thought he could get Cassel but that did not work out and he wasn't tactful with Cutler and that blew up in his face so now he has to start from scratch with a new QB and then when it came to having to part ways with Cutler he couldn't get Detroit's #1 in exchange for him so now he is left with having to patch in some journeyman QB for 2009 and hope that 2009 sucks for the Broncos so he can draft a promising QB in 2010 like Sam Bradford. All this agita because he couldn't get Cassel. But Belichick was never going to do that deal with him because Belichick hates young pups like him and that ingrate Mangini decamping and setting up shop elsewhere so he screws them over anyway he can. Sick bastard.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 1, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Come on peeps. This type of move should have been evident when JC17 was not offered a new contract. The FO is not a fan of JC17.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah! If we get high draft picks out of this, then it doesn't suck nearly as bad as we thought!

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009"

They could easily draft Sanchez in the 1st round. It would be a better choice salary cap wise and team chemistry and stability wise.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

So if this all blows up in the front office's face, it sorta has to draft Sanchez as Campbell's got to be thinking, a la D Evans, "F those clowns, I'm outta dodge!"

And he, and Pat Ramsey will slowly morph into the same guy right before our eyes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, how do we pay Cutler?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, how do we pay Cutler?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

this is good. cutler is way better then campbell, some thought he should have been the first qb taken in 06 campbell was projected as a second rounder anyway but ol' gibbsy fell in love at auburn

Posted by: jrak1 | April 1, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The sad part of this is what others have already touched on. QB is not a problem for this team. The front office should know that. They should be working on RT, OLB, DE, P, K., OL in general and WR.

The only way this makes sense is if Danny and Vinny don't trust Zorn as HC. Enter Shanahan. Without him, no deal for Cutler makes sense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You've gotta believe that our ex-QB coach isn't seeing it with JC. But give the poor guy more than a second in the pocket before succumbing yet again to Snyder's juvenile and destructive impatience.

Posted by: nwreason | April 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The Favre will probably come out of retirement and helm the Broncos after all is said and done.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Are they going to trade Jason for an offensive line, wide receivers over 5"8" tall, and a pass rusher? Otherwise, as usual, they are buying the latest shiny new car. This is indicative of Snyder's entire reign.

I've been a Redskins fan all my life but the management makes it really hard to root for them. Statistically, Cutler is slightly better than Campbell. Is that enough to blow it up and start from scratch? Cutler will have the growing pains of learning a new system as well as playing behind a battered and aging line. It's one thing to trade for and Elway or Marino but Cutler is pretty much in the same stage as Jason but with the benefit of playing for better management and a better line.

The interesting thing is to look at their stats side-by-side. Jason's win-loss record 16-20. Cutler's win loss record 16-21.

Cutler career 37 games played
passing 762/1220
yards 9024
comp% 62.7
TD 54
INT 37
rating 87.1

Cutler as a starter
passing 384/616
yards 4526
comp% 62.3
TD 25
INT 18
rating 86.0
win-loss 16-21

Campbell 36 games played
passing 675/1130
yards 7242
comp% 59.7
TD 35
INT 23
Rating 80.4

Campbell as a starter
passing 315/506
yards 3245
comp% 62.3
TD 13
INT 6
Rating 84.3
win-loss 16-20

Posted by: gtaylor301 | April 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Somebody get Snyder's address and lets all get the burning bags sh!t together. WE ALREADY HAVE A FRANCHISE QB, we just have a pee-wee league O-line that plays on skates instead of cleats.

It's true the car is broken down, but the IDIOT keeps fixing the wrong things and replacing the wrong parts! SYNDER couldn't even get it right with Joe GENIUS Gibbs as his coach.

Posted by: clark202 | April 1, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE hated we drafted Campbell now everyone loves him

make up your minds!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:19 PM

You see Leevi, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Why is it that if someone doesn't like a pick, and he turns out to be pretty good, that they can't change their minds based on more current information. That's called having an open mind.

You should try it some time...

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"And I posted the Cutler plus Shanahan thing weeks ago ... before the 'regular' media had a clue on it. Guess my sources are better than theirs :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009"

We all hoped it was wrong but you ended up being right ... Snyder must have an addict's personality traits. He behaves like one. The guy is pretty unstable.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

curzon

'...The FO is not a fan of JC17...'

If we didn't know it before, we know it now.

They almost have to move Campbell now--what's he worth?

And if they don't get Cutler, they have to take Sanchez at thirteen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

cutler is not a better qb than jc. cutler throw lots of interceptions. he couldn't do anything in a weak afc west division. i was glad to get jc in the draft. he is the best qb out of that class. sometimes, you have to look at the real problem. that includes ol, no pressure on qb, play calling, and linebackers.

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

gtaylor301 great post!!!!! I think you can also put an asterisk next to Cutler's stats because he plays in the AFC West a horrible division while Jason plays in one of the best.

Posted by: clark202 | April 1, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Talent Evaluator ... me thinks this guy has me beat for making more and the most inane postings ...

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:32 PM

I thought that my comments were more about the sheer volume of your posts. You're a posting machine. You can do 10 in a row. You can post more on a thread than all the other posters. Leevi's not in your league.

I also recall complimenting you for some short funny posts. You've got a thick skin and can laugh off your critics.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

And if they don't get Cutler, they have to take Sanchez at thirteen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 9:43 PM

Sanchez could go to Seattle or SF. If they don't get Cutler they may have just screwed themselves even more for this season.

Posted by: TWISI | April 1, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

just watched the cowboys and redskins at texas stadium. campbel was the man. do we remember the drop passes and sacks on jc?

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Campbell supporter... but doesn't anyone else think that getting Cutler (a young pro bowl quarterback) will help this team win games? I certainly do...

Campbell has had chances to show what he can do and as much as I like him I think that his potential is limited. I understand all the different offenses and coordinators, etc. etc., but this will be his 5th year in the league, c'mon now. He is a slightly better than average starting quarterback in the NFL and that is probably all he will ever be.

Posted by: hender_22 | April 1, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Please don't trade draft picks! We have bigger needs at O-Line.

Posted by: wwc4g | April 1, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I got to get offline before I lose it. So let me close by saying.
F*CK YOU DAN SNYDER!

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

gtaylor301 at least can read the stats leevi98 ...
and see the truth.

Now examine the rushing statistics and the scouting reports I posted from Scouts Inc. Campbell is much more mobile and far and away the better athlete. GIBBS PICKED THIS GUY!!! He is the one who worked with guys like Fouts and D. Williams in Tampa Bay. Made Schroder, Rypien, Joey T., D. Williams and STAN HUMPHRIES!!!

SNIDELY OWL you stupid Rockville geek you do not have Gibb's acumen when it comes to quarterbacks. Certainly "my cousin Vinnie" doesn't. ZORN does not have the same ability to measure these guys as Gibbs. Period.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

At the heart of this for me lies a question: isn't it a huge accomplishment to find diamonds in the rough, or even draft stars in the early rounds of the draft. Chris Samuels....maybe Chris Horton....uhh...who else have we drafted that we can be proud of? Seriously, this league is all about value. If our team was a financial institution it would be bankrupt 100 times over. We hardly ever ever get value.. maybe Cornelius Griffin...who else? We buy high and sell low. Terrible. But Snyder's skins keep making money. The absolute ONLY answer is to boycott. Boycott the skins, don't go to games....and if you do go to games, don't buy anything to eat or drink. Don't go to any of his franchises. The only way to end this is to make ownership hurt financially the way they should for making these kinds of decisions.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"I'm a Campbell supporter... but doesn't anyone else think that getting Cutler (a young pro bowl quarterback) will help this team win games? I certainly do..."

NO NO NO. Not without an OL. Not without a defense. Not without a running back. Not without WR.

They can draft Sanchez who had a great Pro Day and according to ESPN's latest QB measurement system comes out pretty high.

It would be cheaper and far better to get Sanchez, if that makes the friggin owner happy than doing something as foolhardy as trading for Cutler ... with NO CAP SPACE and only FIVE picks in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I moved from DC to Denver a few years back and witnesed the Jake/Jay debacle. Jay is overrated. He could blossom with a good D,but he turns it over. This is a bad deal for the Skins. Which means it will happen. Jay may break down if the fans boo him. But,could he grow with Zorn as his daddy?
Campbell might look good in a Chiefs uniform, with Cassel going to Denver. Chiefs need picks. Any takers?

Posted by: mfrede | April 1, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Um...April Fool's, right? Please?

Posted by: justvisiting73 | April 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's see DeAngelo Hall begged to be traded and landed here. Jay Cutler begs to be traded and....

Does Snyder like feeling like the guy who owns the team everyone wants to play for (even if they had no idea when they wanted to be traded they'd end up here)?

Posted by: Xlnt | April 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"I also recall complimenting you for some short funny posts. You've got a thick skin and can laugh off your critics.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009"

Just wondering where you were? :)

Lisa is in tears ... this is big news?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I voted for the Shanahan+Cutler over Zorn+Campbell because I don't have confidence in Zorn, especially working for this management team.

This whole thing suggests an organization without focus and without a plan. Counting on Cutler to self destruct in Denver so you can nab Shanahan was not part of a 'long term plan'.

Campbell, I believe, was deserving of a contract extension. He proved he can play at this level with good talent around him. Half a season without a pick? Winning in dallas? Outdueling Warner and Brees? What more can you expect from a guy ... especially with a rookie coach?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Cutler would be fine. Tired of waiting for Campbell's star to shine.

Posted by: kls1 | April 1, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

who else have we drafted that we can be proud of?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 9:49 PM

Sean Taylor. LaRon Landry. Lavar Arrington. Chris Cooley. Carlos Rogers. Jason Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has had chances to show what he can do and as much as I like him I think that his potential is limited. I understand all the different offenses and coordinators, etc. etc., but this will be his 5th year in the league, c'mon now. He is a slightly better than average starting quarterback in the NFL and that is probably all he will ever be.

Posted by: hender_22

Actually, last season was Jason's first FULL season so saying he has played 5 seasons is totally inaccurate.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Busy day at work. Any thing happening at Redskins park today? Who are we getting with our first round draft pick?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse
LOL, Curz!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 1, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If the o-line can't block, it doesn't matter who is back there.

Posted by: Passrusher | April 1, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

So wait who do we give them for cutler in that scenario?

We give them Jason Campbell, that's who. We might as well, we're not going anywhere with him!

A (Fukkkkkking)men

Posted by: habibhaddad | April 1, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 unfortunately you make a lot of sense.

A Shanahan might make sense to reign in a Snyder. The problem with that is, like Norv Turner, he is terrible when it comes to choosing and giving free reign to a good defensive coordinator.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

JC has been with so many coordinators, give the man a chance. If Cutler comes to DC, he deserves it. Has any veteran player come here and improved? Maybe Santana Moss. He's the only one I can think of. The team's instability will kill any player's career.

Posted by: jgluke | April 1, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I am switching teams if they get Cuttler. This is beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: cueskilz | April 1, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

we have seen too many qb's win superbowls. all of the have a good ol and great defense. we need depth on this team. we lost too many games last year. and qb was not the problem. do anyone remember the field goals miss or the poor field position from the punter? jc must stay. cowboys won superbowls with a great running back, line, defense, tight end, and an so so qb.

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I said THIS will be his 5th season... never said anything about full seasons of playing time or anything even remotely close to that. You put words into my mouth.

This will be Campbell's 5th year in the league. If a guy is superstar caliber don't you think we'd know by now?

Posted by: hender_22 | April 1, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm done posting for today too. This team is being blown up. So I bid an unfond...

F*CK YOU DAN SNYDER!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Just what we were missing, Jeff George

Posted by: The_Spear | April 1, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan wouldn't touch the defense as HC. He must be smart enough to see that Blache has that covered

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Talent evaluator, your name doesn't suit you. Talking value here. Where they were taken in the draft, Arrington and Rogers don't stick out as master strokes. I'll give you Taylor as far as we can be proud of him, maybe Landry, but jury still kind of out on him and, again, consider where he was taken. Campbell, well, doesn't seem like the folks in charge are too proud of that one.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE
ill tell you, i wanted to see zorn and campbell give it a go
if skins go w/ cutler and/or shanahan, and they suck next yr
ive been seeing some blogs bringing back the BOYCOTT idea
i am all for that....lets see how it unfolds and if it fails...synderatto has to feel our pain....lets hit his wallet so he cant do this anymore
im a skins fan for 20+ yrs i cant deal w/ this anymore

Posted by: jj44skins | April 1, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"Sean Taylor. LaRon Landry. Lavar Arrington. Chris Cooley. Carlos Rogers. Jason Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Stephen Davis, Kedrick Golston, Montgomery, Dockery, and given the adversity the guy has had to contend with Reed Doughty.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

If Danny boy could just pull that VCerrato doll out from his @ss, we should trade JC17 and VCerrato.

Posted by: cedroman1 | April 1, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

i love this team but this is just insane we dont need baby cutler what we need is a monster on the o-line to block for somebody

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 1, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

The one person who has to be sick over all this is ... Jim Zorn.

This is a 'no confidence' vote in Zorn. One huge reason he was brought in was to develop Campbell (as his OC). Trading Campbell is essentially saying that Zorn failed at his #1 task.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Alrighty, then. Let's trade Zorn for Cutler.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 1, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Jets Will Face Plenty of Competition in Pursuit of Cutler

By GREG BISHOP
Published: April 1, 2009

News of the availability of quarterback Jay Cutler set off a wave of speculation Wednesday, after the Broncos revealed the night before that they were willing to trade him.

As many as 10 teams could enter the Cutler sweepstakes, and names of teams that surfaced Wednesday included the Jets, Tampa Bay, Detroit and Washington.

Where the Jets fit remains unclear. The team declined to comment, but an official who spoke on the condition on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on personnel matters confirmed that the Jets had interest in Cutler.

Although trading for Cutler would be complicated, the history of Jets General Manager Mike Tannenbaum suggests such a deal is not impossible. The Jets traded for running back Thomas Jones before the 2007 season, and for defensive tackle Kris Jenkins and quarterback Brett Favre before 2008. Jones and Jenkins made the Pro Bowl last season.

Tannenbaum swung the Favre deal through James Cook, the agent for both Favre and Cutler. Will history repeat in successive off-seasons?

The Jets hold the 17th pick in this month’s draft. Any trade with Denver would include some combination of draft picks and a defensive player. It could also involve a third team. An intriguing possibility is the Cleveland Browns, who have two quarterbacks in Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson, but who are coached by Eric Mangini, whom the Jets fired after last season.

The Broncos are expected to seek a proven quarterback in return for Cutler, who passed for a franchise-record 4,526 yards last season and went to the Pro Bowl.

The Jets do not have a proven quarterback, although team officials, including Tannenbaum and Coach Rex Ryan, have said repeatedly that they are comfortable heading into the season with the three quarterbacks on their roster — Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge.

Clemens started eight games in 2007 behind an abysmal offensive line. Neither Ratliff nor Ainge has thrown a regular-season pass in the N.F.L., but Ratliff impressed the Jets with a strong showing last preseason.

Beyond Cutler and the three in-house candidates, the Jets recently worked out Josh Freeman of Kansas State. Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford told Sirius N.F.L. Radio on Wednesday that he would visit the Jets in mid-April.

Cutler will draw interest from several teams for several reasons, including his age (25) and the strength of his right arm.

Detractors point to his 17-20 record as a starter, but in games in which the Broncos’ defense allowed 21 points or fewer, that record was 13-1, the only loss coming against Favre and the Green Bay Packers in overtime in 2007.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Dockery -- that's one I missed, in fact, about the only time I've seen another team pay a record amount of money for one of our players.

Seriously, let's stop naming players, anyone going to disagree with my point about management not getting good value either in terms of draft order, draft picks traded or salaries... ?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | April 1, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

baby Jay Cutler is horrible look at his numbers there a bit inflated cause there team was horrible and if i remember he has played 32 games in the nfl and has thrown 32 interceptions...sounds like just the guy we need here and they do have two wr's named Marshall and royal who are far better than any WR combo that we can put together dan snyder is a complete idiot its just another big name where he can get his own rocks off over

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 1, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The guy who said that Campbell's and Cutlers stats on the same must not be looking at the right stats. No comparison Cutler stats are much better and he is younger. Campbell is a free agent after next season! I say make the trade if we do not have to give up a lot of future draft picks.

Posted by: dix22 | April 1, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I like JC17, but I think JC6 could be good as well. However, as someone mentioned, if Snyder gets rid of Cooley, then I'm done with the Skins. I've been a fan since 91, but if they get rid of Captain Chaos, I'm going to become a Ravens fan.

Posted by: webtechnical | April 1, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

SI.com's Peter King joined the show to discuss Jay Cutler's future. Here are some of his takes:

-- King says that the New York Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the two most likely suitors.

-- Cleveland is also an option. Cutler is buddies with Brett Favre, who will likely endorse Browns head coach Eric Mangini.

-- King says that he doesn't believe that Denver is categorically out of the question for Cutler. King said that Cutler has said he will go to mandatory practices for the Broncos.

-- King said that Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford told him that he has to visit other teams besides Detroit now that Jay Cutler in the mix for the Lions.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"On one hand, I guess it should have been obvious, given Dan Snyder's affinity for buying any shiny new item out there on the market. On the other hand, the Jason Campbell era has been progressing pretty well, yes? His quarterback rating has improved each year he's been in the league, topping out at 84.3 last year."
from yahoo sprts

Bucs NEED Cutler

Jets NEED Cutler. Maybe we get lucky, and Zorn and Campbell get 1 more year and kick a**

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

some of you guys just don't get it. cutler stats, size, or decision making is not proven to be better than jc. cutler is not a probowl qb. he plays in the afc west. he throws interceptions. we shouldn't loose draft picks or anything for this guy. what is all this upgrade at qb all about. he had to throw without a running game. he could beat oakland or kc. what is this? is not an upgrade.

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm hooked on phonics.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"While Cutler is coming off a Pro Bowl season, several NFL sources have indicated that he has issues that are of concern to some teams. In 2007, Cutler lost weight during the season and dealt with weariness before doctors discovered he suffers from diabetes."

Sounds like the Redskins want the Nationals problem with Dmitri.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Other news outlets, such as Profootballtalk.com, have indicated that Washington has also expressed interest in Cutler even though the Redskins have Jason Campbell as their starter. The Redskins, who have the No. 13 overall pick in the draft, also worked out USC quarterback Mark Sanchez last week, two league sources said. Owner Dan Snyder, coach Jim Zorn and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato was part of the group that went to see Sanchez and Trojans linebacker Brian Cushing, although one source said the group was more focused on Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the Bears are deeply in the mix as well.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

This will be great, a strong and able quarterback who can make reads quickly and go deep. One problem - who is he throwing to? A 5-9 receiver or two other receivers that caught 5 passes last year. Also, how much time can this over rated line give him? Please!! He would be an upgrade, but this isn't basketball - one player isn't turning this team around in the next 5 years.

Posted by: sklingon | April 1, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

This is insane. If they spend as much time with fixin the offensive line maybe Jason would have time to throw the ball. What has Jay Cutler won in Denver,(playoffs,championships) but of course according to the media he's a better quarterback. Nobody could play the position with the way the line block all season. Get a clue D.S.

Posted by: onestorm | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

how can you say make reads quickly when he throws almost as many interceptions as td's. we don't need a gun slanger here. remember patrick ramsey? jc has a strong arm as well. open up the playbook and get an ol.

Posted by: ephraimk1 | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I wish Jason Campbell well. He deserves to get out of this insane asylum and finally get some peace. The Redskins' "mis-" management" under Snyder is just awful.

Posted by: john24 | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

i saw someone compare cutler and campbells stats and won loss percentage. dont forget the skins have had a top 5 defense and denver had a bottom 5 defense. both had almost the same record.its hard for cutler to win in denver when your defense gives up over 30 points a game

Posted by: mudman220 | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

twisi

'...If they don't get Cutler they may have just screwed themselves even more for this season....'


Yeah, I know.

That's what's so bad about this whole situation.

They throw mud on the guy they have while trying to get the guy they want, not realizing J Campbell's value gets diminished along the way.

Diminishing Campbell's value makes it hard to offer him as a trading chip--and makes him figure if he means nothing to them, why bother re-signing should he have a good season next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

OK time to line up, oh say about ten shots of Jagermeister.

Zehn kleine Jägermeister

Cheers!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Say they get Cutler. At what cost? I think he's an upgrade over JC but not by that much. What other area of the team are you going to weaken. Given Snyder's history of overpaying and the fact that it sounds like a few teams are in the bidding you have to wonder what they will have to give up. I like Cooley and would really hate to see him go but even worse would be if they traded Landry - I saw he was mentioned in earlier rumors a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Curz!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 1, 2009 9:56 PM |

Just sitting here watching some mma, drinking tequila to the winners of the off season...again..

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

twisi

'...If they don't get Cutler they may have just screwed themselves even more for this season....'


Yeah, I know.

That's what's so bad about this whole situation.

They throw mud on the guy they have while trying to get the guy they want, not realizing J Campbell's value gets diminished along the way.

Diminishing Campbell's value makes it hard to offer him as a trading chip--and makes him figure if he means nothing to them, why bother re-signing should he have a good season next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

It makes the Sanchez interest a lot more plausible now if they can't get Cutler. No way Campbell resigns now. Of course if he were to have a great year he would have Snyder over a barrel - franchise him, pay thru the nose, or let him walk.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade Snyder and all our draft picks for a sixth round punter, then drop back fifteen yards and punt?

Posted by: hawkeye12 | April 1, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Fu*k Dan Snyder. I never wish harm on anyone but in his case I will make an exception.

That is all.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching ESPN news they said the Bucs have the best chance, then US
jets
#4, Lions, then there were 6 dark horse teams, jags, browns, titans

nearly half of the teams are considering options

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

My thing against Cutler, besides him being a whinny biatch, is the interceptions. He either doesn't read defenses well or he's so cocky that he forces the ball into coverage’s he shouldn't. That's a recipe for failure in the NFC East where the defenses are elite and particularly the pass defenses.

Posted by: TWISI | April 1, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm a diehard Broncos fan living in the DC area...and if the Skins want Cutler, that's fine.
Wherever he winds up, I have only one caveat: He's a prima donna, and is on his way to becoming the Terrell Owens of the QB world. I wonder how that will work out under Snyder in DC.

Posted by: truyle | April 1, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for CAMPBELL, and I blame ownership for the lack of JASON's development to this point....

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 1, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Campbell knows when he gets on the field he can prove his stuff. Hopefully for us.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I would be very interested to see a list of all the players drafted by other teams with the picks that the Redskins have traded away in the last 5 or 6 years! I bet they are all better than those we have signed via free agency!

Posted by: hawkeye12 | April 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Trading one QB for another QB who have one exactly NOTHING in the NFL. The Redskins are officially a laughingstock (not that they were not officially one due to Cerrato employment before but I digress) if they make a trade for the whiney biatch Cutler.

Posted by: mjwies11 | April 1, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

hopefully we can put this in the," thank G we didn't get chad johnson" category sometime soon!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

we have become a training camp for lousy qb's if this trade goes,it may have i'm out of state we will be trading a qb ready to either bust out or just be a bust. we can find all this energy and bucks for a dead even trade and can't find time to find some real ol,d lineman. our 2nd and 3rd qb's are = 2 cutler only difference are millions of dollars AIG is starting to look conservative. should we trade? yes our 1st to the team that want's cutler the most for 2 great o or dl men. plus we get that teams 2nd. IF this were St. Patrick's Day at least i would be drunk enough to be talked into this

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | April 1, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The one person who has to be sick over all this is ... Jim Zorn.

This is a 'no confidence' vote in Zorn. One huge reason he was brought in was to develop Campbell (as his OC). Trading Campbell is essentially saying that Zorn failed at his #1 task.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 10:03 PM

The second half of last season is what created the 'no confidence' vote in Zorn from the FO. He was awful in his play calling, called out players but not his play calling. Zorn's play calling was like watching Gibbs 2.0 jumbo package coming out on the field. Everyone knew what the play was going to be.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

we have become a training camp for lousy qb's if this trade goes,it may have i'm out of state we will be trading a qb ready to either bust out or just be a bust. we can find all this energy and bucks for a dead even trade and can't find time to find some real ol,d lineman. our 2nd and 3rd qb's are = 2 cutler only difference are millions of dollars AIG is starting to look conservative. should we trade? yes our 1st to the team that want's cutler the most for 2 great o or dl men. plus we get that teams 2nd. IF this were St. Patrick's Day at least i would be drunk enough to be talked into this

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | April 1, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

pabian

'...Campbell knows when he gets on the field he can prove his stuff. Hopefully for us...'


Ya' think Cutler felt 'disrespected' by the Mile High Gang?

Imagine being a guy like Campbell who spent 3 seasons being judged by the new system he just learned each year and had to apply behind a crappy offensive line.

This afer spending time behind somebody named Mark Brunell, the leader of the sideline pass offense.

If I'm Jason Campbell, I give the skins the middle finger to read.

Yes: know I posted that line with Demetric Evans.

But somehow, sadly, it still applies.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE hated we drafted Campbell now everyone loves him

make up your minds!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 9:19 PM

You see Leevi, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Why is it that if someone doesn't like a pick, and he turns out to be pretty good, that they can't change their minds based on more current information. That's called having an open mind.

You should try it some time...


Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

What do mean? Like how I was happy we drafted campbell and now after watching him for 3 years I don't think he is the answer?

how does this translate into not having an open mind?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

This is STUPID. Absolutely, ridiculously STUPID. The only problem with this team is the awful ownernship and front office management. Snyder and Cerrato are the ones who have to go. I think the fans of a team should be able to levy a vote of no confidence in an owner to get the losers out of town. Bunch of idiots run this team.

Posted by: CDon | April 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt a trade could happen but it hasn't happened yet. Remember this is all based on the sources of the reporter who said they would not get AH and would not resign Hall. So, I wouldn't count this as a done deal yet.
On a second note unless your team has a proven pro bowl caliber QB shouldn't the FO at least explore the possibilites. Isn't the job of the FO to try and improve the team. Suppose they could trade JC17 and the 1st to pick up Cutler and maybe a 2nd and 3rd pick. Wouldn't it at least be worth a look? Unfortunately with the FO track record any trade would probably be in Denver's favor but who knows.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 1, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

What a fiasco - even if the trade doesn’t materialize. This will be damaging to our team regardless of how it plays out. Leave it to Dan and Vinny to disrupt any continuity the team has going into this season. JC6 would only perpetuate the “me first”, prima donna culture this franchise has developed during the Dan Synder era.

Zorn has to be preparing his exit strategy. Why would anyone want to coach under Dan Synder? Players come here to get paid, but there’s no respect in playing in D.C. these days. What a joke. It’s sad.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 1, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

what about Jason campbell??? After what has gone down in Denver already I would have no interest whatsoever in trading for a cry baby like Cutler. Why is Dan Snyder torturing Redskin fans like this??? Maybe we could trade dan snyder for jay cutler... that sounds like a fair trade to me.

Posted by: proffesor_jammy | April 1, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I just read this article and feel sick to my stomach! I can't believe that ownership is more intent on making the biggest splach and having the best team on paper than doing what's right and actually building a quality team... wait a minute I can! This makes zero sense. In my opinion it's a lateral move that will cost us waaaaay too much. We have too many other needs that need to be addressed in the draft, both this year and next. I feel for JC and believe he deserves another year to show what he can do in Zorn's system. I believe we are close to being a playoff team, but this has to jack with the Team's morale. I know it does mine!

Posted by: jlorance72 | April 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but he also repeatedly said they wouldn't get Cutler. So it fits perfectly.

**********************
Remember this is all based on the sources of the reporter who said they would not get AH and would not resign Hall.

Posted by: StuckinTX | April 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

''I want to be here, I feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish and that's what I've been working to do, but you know it's not in your control,'' Campbell said. ''All I can do is just keep doing what I'm doing, working hard and waiting to see what happens.''


This is how a MAN acts when he finds out his boss thinks of him as a piece of toilet paper.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Amen, well said, bingo.......why on earth would we want to get rid of an above average QB whose had too many offensive coaches and to few good o-line play for an overrated cry baby........I like Jason....pls God make this go away---Obama--can you bail us out and force danny to sell the team to the fans and make danny go awy--like chyrsler? can you can you?? I didn't vote for you but do that and I will next time :>)

Posted by: tabtool | April 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

'...Trading one QB for another QB...'

Is a sideways move.

So where's the gain in adding Cutler when he has the same line Campbell got pounded behind?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this Cutler fiasco is Snidely Owl trying to light a fire under Soups to take this team into the playoffs.

Scare Soups a bit so he isnt complacent.

I'm out of ideas. I pray to god this is April Fool's crap.

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Bronco fan my whole life (it was trying for sure many a time) but no more. The hiring of McDaniels is setting this team back 5-10 years. He's an arrogant fool...how the Cutler thing got to this is mind-boggling. Now we start all over at QB?

Cutler is the most talented QB in the NFL. I said most talented, not best. He's not as good as Peyton Manning or Tom Brady yet but he can surely get there - and soon. People dis him on his record but he was playing on a team with NO defense. The Redskins D is twice as good as the Broncos bend and break. He can take the Redskins to the playoffs this year.

Cutler can make every throw, can throw on the run and can run the ball when needed. He's tough - a physical specimen.
Cutler can get the Redskins in the playoffs this year and it won't be long and you’ll own your division. Cutler is 3 times the QB JC is….that’s why all Snyder can get for JC is a 2nd rounder.

I guarantee you that Dallas or the Giants don’t want you guys getting Cutler.
There are some very PO'd Bronco fans here in Colorado. McDaniels is a jerk who thinks he's Belichick (among other things referring to Cutler as "The Player").

McKid never talks to the press, now that may have flown with Belichick in NE but that sort of thing doesn't work in Denver, especially if you're new and you just ran off the best player we have had since Elway.

This fiasco has been spun big time to make Cutler look like the bad guy when the truth is McKid just blew up the team.
All and all a Bronco catastrophe, someone's gonna get a heck of a QB.

All Washington fans should be wishing Snyder well on pulling this off...it'll more than make up for his many busts.

Posted by: corybjohnson | April 1, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

This is such a mistake! Dan Snyder's doing it again to all of us. Making us giddy like school girls during the off-season, raising our expectations, just to fill the stadium with excited fans. But his fantasy football mentality will never lead us to the Super Bowl. We will simply have to wait until Snyder reaches his late 60's and he finally finally learns about the systems that work. Those are the ones with continuity, consistency, stability and trust between players, coaches and management (e.g. Steelers, Patriots). I guess he really didn't learn anything from Joe Gibbs.

Skins fans need to know that Snyder is not about winning Super Bowls, he's about making money and that's it! He's about topping Jerry Jones in the off-season and that's it! He runs amusement parks and a communication company. Why are we surprised that he's only interested in making headlines and making money? He's not about real football.

We are going to give up a ton to get Cutler and that's a shame. Particularly after all the hard work players and coaches have already put into next year. Jason Campbell will never have a true second year in one offensive system, so we'll never know what he can really do. And impatience will win out yet again.

I've been a Redskin fan since 1972 and I have longed for a consistent winner since 1992. But Snyder's way has yet to work and I believe will never work! I can't help but think, it's a real shame Jack Kent Cooke didn't bequeath the team to his son John. A real shame.

Posted by: DFi4487 | April 1, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, Cerrato, Snyder Spent Huddled All Day In Snyder’s Office
Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 10:37 p.m. EDT
We’re told via a short chain of reliable sources that things were interesting this morning in Washington.

As we hear it, Redskins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato was retrieved from draft meetings at roughly 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday to go to owner Daniel Snyder’s office. Not long thereafter, they fetched coach Jim Zorn.

And the three men remained in Snyder’s office into the evening.

The obvious implication? They’re working on this whole Jay Cutler thing.

Or maybe they were playing Call of Duty.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/zorn-cerrato-snyder-spent-huddled-all-day-in-snyders-office/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Denver used the pick to draft Cutler that the Redskins traded to move up in the draft to get Campbell. When will the Skins ever learn.

Posted by: cparet | April 1, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

The guy is an Insulin dependant Diabetic!

Posted by: 3rings | April 1, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Corybjohnson = JC6’s agent

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 1, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Damn all this madness. If we get Cutler are we just going to continue to change things up next year with a new HC. No one ever won sh!t without consistency. We will never have that here. I hope this is just a crock...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

ARE THERE ANY REAL SKIN FANS ON THIS SITE?

are you kidding me!

We haven't had a franchised QB since Sonny.

Don't even mention Joe,Doug or Mark

The bottom line is that jason is a NICE QB

To hell with that!

We need a cocky, I'm the man QB who can toss the ball around the park.

Stop crying and lift up your head, if your a real fan.

Oh... by the way.

Snyder grew up a skins fan and he knows as I do that we haven't had a real QB forever and he is in position to do something about it

So....shut up

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Cory's right. As a Cowboys fan, I don't want you getting Cutler. I want to trade Romo for Cutler, straight up. What do you say, Cory, you want a slow, short, stupid, clumsy, weak-armed turnover machine?

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the part of the season that snyder enjoys the most because he can go to bed at night and feel like a winner.

Posted by: KingGeorgethe2nd | April 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I have had it with Dan Snyder and these ridiculous moves he makes! Why doesn't he trade Portis back to Denver and send them Santana too along with a couple of 1st round picks?

If Zorn is such a quarterback builder, then why doesn't he give his QB more than one year to learn yet another new offense? Or start this Colt Brennan wunderkind?

If only we could impeach Dan and Vinny! This team will go nowhere until these morons no longer make the decisions!

Posted by: mdflorals | April 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry. Danny's a genius, look at how he turned Six Flags around...LOL

Posted by: wgminer | April 1, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Look, at what point should fans just revolt? If the Skins make this trade, they will be left with no solid picks in this draft. So, they will have a high priced quarterback, but they have no defensive ends, they need a linebacker, and their offensive line was abysmal last year. Finally, their receivers are mediocre. Moss is a solid No. 2, Randel El is a solid No. 3. And more importantly, they will not be able to add any depth to their roster because they will have no picks left. Over and over again Snyder goes after the new shiny car. Finally, i think Cutler has a huge contract that the Skins will have to take on.

No teams in the history of the NFL have won the Super Bowl by acquiring the majority of their talent through free agency. That just does not happen. When will Snyder learn? Probably only when fans stop going to games.

Posted by: DCFan4 | April 1, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

This is largely being driven by Vinny's insecurity (and he should feel insecure) and Danny's shiny toy ego.

Cerrato can't get rid of Gibbs influence fast enough. He got rid off both his coordinators last offseason. Campbell was Joe Gibbs' pick and gets no contract extension despite throwing fewer picks than any other starting QB. Guys like Griffin, ARE and Carter rework their contracts and big money is handed out to 3 players. Of the 11 offensive starters, Campbell probably is about 9th in paycheck.

Vinny made 10 picks in 2008, kept ALL of them and only 1 worked out. He traded 2 more picks for a guy who played 1 so-so year on a bad leg. Danny is paying out more $$ than anyone in league history.

Vinny tried to remake the Skins so its HIS team, not Gibbs. And it hasn't worked so well.

Vinny's job is on the line. If 2009 is a banner year, Vinny is fine. How does 2009 look? About the same as 2008. Added 1 great talent, but lost several good players and depth. Haven't fixed the most glaring problem, RT or OLB or DE.

Shanahan is one of several top coaches who would want more power than Vinny.

Vinny's gambit? Bring in Cutler and Shanahan now. Shanahan gets Gibbs old role and so Vinny is #3 guy. Which beats getting fired. Which is where this was going for Vinny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Both Cory and Smack are right. Cutler is legit.

That said, it all depends on what's given up to get him.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

What do mean? Like how I was happy we drafted campbell and now after watching him for 3 years I don't think he is the answer?

how does this translate into not having an open mind?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 10:41 PM

Ok, fair enough.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Corybjohnson = JC6’s agent

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 1, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

No he's not. Bronco fans are split 50/50 it seems on blaming Cutler or McDaniels. Cutler shares blame to be sure but McDaniels is an out and out a@@. Short a running back that could stay healthy the Broncos offense was ready-made to succeed. It was obvious to anyone with a brain that the defense was the problem with this team. So what does McDaniels do but try to trade the star QB and then lie to his face about it. McDaniels will be one and done out here unless he can somehow improve on 8-8.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

i'm not saying this will work as in having jay cutler will produce a winner. no no no no no! and if danny was asking a 2nd rounder for JC...LMAO!!!!! they'll be lucky to get a 4th for jc...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 1, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Snyder grew up a skins fan and he knows as I do that we haven't had a real QB forever and he is in position to do something about it

So....shut up

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 10:53 PM

Thats the problem. Snyder is nothing more than a fan and surrounds himself with know nothing yes men. Is Cutler better than Campbell. Yeah sure he probably is. But when he has to play in the NFC East behind a porous offensive line whats gonna happen. You think he is a crybaby now. I cant wait to see what he does when he gets drilled in the backfield every other play. This franchise is a joke.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

coryb -- so tell us, what is the thinking in Denver on Shanahan, since he seems to be in this mix.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

The source said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to finally solve the team's decade long pursuit of a franchise quarterback.
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I'd say we're suffering from a decade long reign of error by an incompetent meddling owner.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

thunder, your acute grasp of the obvious is one of my favorite things about you.

UGH!! I am so tired of this crap

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 1, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell > jay cutler

no one could've performed well behind that line. for someone to have made a little mistakes as campbell did behind a line that basically let pass rushers attack freely is extremely impressive.

culter who already makes very poor decisions would make even dumber decisions behind a line that has not substantially improved over the offseason (and knowing D.S., will not improve after the draft either).

i have so much faith in campbell and really do believe he will be an elite QB. he's been without mature/talented WRs and a steady line since he's been with the team.

Posted by: 29overreds | April 1, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

beep! beep!

Posted by: toohoes | April 1, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

APRIL FOOLS!!!!
Posted by: squammy | April 1, 2009 8:27 PM

I wish that's what Danny and Vinny would come out say right now.

This is terrible

And Jason remains classy. Jay Cutler will never be half of the Redskin that Jason Campbell is/was.

Karma.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

April Fools? Please? Why would they do this? Go look at the stats of Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell. Then read the scouting reports on both of them and see what kind of ratings they get on espn.com or in Madden. They're so freakin' similar I don't see why you would trade one (who has a year in this system under his belt, I might add) for the other. If we get Cutler it only means that the Danny is going after Shanahan next year and there goes the "continuity" that was such a hot-button term last year. This is ridiculous. And you know, if it happens, the Skins are going to end up giving up too much to make it happen. Just like the Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick for Clinton Portis. What's it gonna be this time? Campbell, Cooley and our number 1 for Cutler and their number 2? I can't believe this. At least Jason Campbell is saying the right things. I tell ya, maybe the best thing that could happen is for this deal to fall through and Campbell be determined to prove everyone wrong. Campbell's the future, not Cutler.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | April 1, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: COskins | April 1, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

DO NOT GET CUTLER...I LOVE J-CAM...I hate that the redskins will never be good until our owner dies in 2066...this will not help the players morale either...this shows even if you show progression by getting better each year...you could still get traded for a brat like J-Cutler...Jeez...

Posted by: therockman86 | April 1, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you people? We will instantly have the quarterback with the most upside of any quarterback in the NFC East. I like Jason Campbell. I always have. But, he is not the player Jay Cutler is. I am tired of this Jeff George 2.0 talk. Jeff George was 30 something years old when he played for the Redskins. I live in NC, but I have always been a Redskin fan. They were on TV every Sunday until the Panthers came to town. I like the Panthers as well, but not like the Redskins and as soon as I heard the news that Jay Cutler wanted a trade a few weeks ago, I was instantly excited. I told everyone that I wanted Jay Cutler on one of these two teams. He will make either team better from day 1.

So, I am not with most of you. I will be very happy if I wake up in the morning to hear that Jay Cutler is the new QB for the Washington Redskins!!

Posted by: guy1577 | April 1, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Cutler would be an improvement as long as we dont give up the house. I think the jets and Tampa will be able to offer more and that probably is a good thing.

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | April 1, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27

The Denver Broncos say Jay Cutler wants to get traded.

The star quarterback disagrees.

Cutler spoke exclusively Wednesday night with FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer at the UFC Fight Night 18 card in Nashville that both were attending. Cutler says he was shocked the Broncos issued a statement proclaiming he was on the block after conversations with agent Bus Cook.

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Glazer in his first comments since the statement was released. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't."

"I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

ARE THERE ANY REAL SKIN FANS ON THIS SITE?

are you kidding me!

We haven't had a franchised QB since Sonny.

Don't even mention Joe,Doug or Mark

The bottom line is that jason is a NICE QB

To hell with that!

We need a cocky, I'm the man QB who can toss the ball around the park.

Stop crying and lift up your head, if your a real fan.

Oh... by the way.

Snyder grew up a skins fan and he knows as I do that we haven't had a real QB forever and he is in position to do something about it

So....shut up

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

BEST POST ON HERE IN YEARS!!!!!!!!! Hail Brother Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Man...you guys really need to do your homework...yea...cocky young players with attitude always help teams...like Tom Brady, John Elway, and Big Ben...o yeah...big egos...

Posted by: therockman86 | April 1, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I am just glad to see that the heads are finally acknowledging that there is a QB problem and maybe attempting to do something about it. I have been blogging and commenting about this QB situation for a long time. I am on the fence about Cutler but considering JC has reached his potential, we don't have anything to lose. HAIL!!

Posted by: ladyredskins | April 1, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

reached his potential?...the guy has got better and better each year...what are you talking about...

Posted by: therockman86 | April 1, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Cutler should wind up at a team with a QB need. Which means a 3 way trade would be required unless its with Detroit and they give up the #1 pick. Sifting through 3 way options takes longer, so unless Denver thinks its got a terrific deal from us, I don't see Cutler as a Skin tomorrow.

Danny doesn't NEED to make a deal. Tampa NEEDS a QB. Minny NEEDS a QB. Chicago NEEDS a QB. We got a legit QB. No reason to overpay.

None of this makes sense without Shanahan as part of the equation.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's Offseason Goals: Getting Mind and Body Ready at 3/18/2009 6:55 AM EDT
Do you believe what the Junkies say? According to them, Jay Cutler is in the works, and Campbell is leaving. According to one of their callers who said that the WaPo says that Cooley's going and so is Landry. If that happens, I swear, I am never watching another game again.

Landry is the next Sean Taylor and Cooley is the Redskins.
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From a posting of mine a couple of weeks ago. To all those supporting the decision, including from out of state, the reason this is so hideous is the constant churning of Snyder, not building from the foundation, going for a glory hit, money over solidness and wins, and success.

Like another poster, I too hope this is an April Fool's joke, but fear it is just more of the same horrible hideous mediocrity from Redskins owner and management. If true, I am not watching. It's over.

Posted by: columbiard | April 1, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Finally a fan with smarts...

Posted by: therockman86 | April 1, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

We don't need a pansy for a Qb, leevi.

You think he will walk into our locker room and everyone will fall in love with him? Of course not, but it's a business and they will accept it nonetheless.

Warren Sapp & willie McGinist say that Cutler ends up in Detroit. I hope they're right.


Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Jay Cutler coming to the Skins. The problem is that all GMs know that the Skins are willing to over pay for a big name player so don't be surprised when we get fleeced in this trade.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 1, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/01/j...ns-wheelhouse/

Jay Cutler is out in Denver. There are no if's, and's, etc., about that. The only debate is where he'll end up, and frankly, it's a pretty intriguing debate.

Word on the street is that the Redskins are, right now, the "leading candidate" to land Cutler in a trade with the Broncos. Of course, they won't be the only team attempting to make a play for the young gunslinger. The Lions, Buccaneers and Jets are also directly in the picture for the Broncos. But the Redskins, despite what many fans will say, are a very nice fit for Cutler. Kind of.

This is true for several reasons. First off, Jason Campbell is, at times, an excellent quarterback. But is he a franchise quarterback? No, he is not. Mister Irrelevant broke down the differences between Cutler and Campbell today, but decided to "take out counting stats." I understand the logic behind that (oftentimes, counting stats are a byproduct of a certain situation) but when you're talking NFL quarterbacks, you simply don't throw passing yards and touchdowns thrown out the window when comparing quarterbacks.

So, with all due respect to the Mottrams, while the statistics can be slightly skewed to make Campbell look like a true peer of Cutler, it's really not that close. Using some of Football Outsiders' statistics (which are highly beneficial, whether you want to think football stats can be smart or not), it becomes increasingly obvious. Cutler's DVOA (value per play) sat at 22 percent last year. Campbell checked in at 8.3 percent; -- not even close, especially when Cutler's three-year increase shows more growth than Campbell. Likewise, Cutler races past Campbell in DYOA (essentially value measured in yardage) for 2008, doubling up Campbell 1382 to 656 last season.

However, a trade to the Redskins obviously wouldn't be QB-for-QB; it would almost certainly involve the Redskins' 13th overall pick and Campbell.

Which would mean the 'Skins upgrade at quarterback, but theoretically downgrade at either offensive or defensive line (assuming that whoever they draft in the first round doesn't somehow manage to achieve negative value for the team).

But waxing statistically about the differences for Washington in the trade, while logical, doesn't exactly vibe with the way that Dan Snyder runs his team. Instead, what does make sense with Snyder at the helm is that the 'Skins manage to believe they're getting Cutler's old coach, Mike Shanahan, after next season. That, and the immediate "flair-upgrade" for Snyder by bringing Cutler into the fold as Washington's quarterback of the future.

So, yes, "wheelhouse" is the perfect word, regardless if Cutler's the perfect fit or the deal even makes sense. And that's precisely why Snyder will make sure he outbids whoever else is involved in the chase for Cutler and bring the former Vanderbilt star to Washington.
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Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell has not 'reached his potential.' If he gets traded, I really hope he proves our FO wrong and exposes them for the impostors they are.

Posted by: John_Keats | April 1, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

columbiard,

Im not saying that I agree with MANY of Snyder's decisions. I totally agree that their have been plenty of decisions that ended up being terrible. But when was the last time we had a pro bowl QB? I don't really count the year Gus went. Rypien went. Theisman before that. Not too many in the last 30 years. Its time to get a new one.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 1, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Ladyredskin, lay off the crack. Leevi98 pull you head out of Snyder's hinny. You are both lacking in knowledge just like Snyder, whose moves thus far have been, well, the results speak for themselves. JC17 has not had consistent systems or help, excepting Moss, the tightends and running back. Coaches get fired, systems change, and JC still gets better. Denver hasn't won with Cutler and he has had a system and coaching in place, plus a pro bowl receiver. Real Skins fans know that you don't need an arrogant guy with a big arm to win. Cutler has arrogance and arm strength, but has not won. Lotsa yards? Drew Brees had those and many weapons, not many wins. Redskins fans remember we won with Doug Williams, Mark Rypien and Joe Theisman, a 5'9" punt returner from the CFL. What wins championships are consistency, defense, ground game and, mostly, smart coaching.

If we get Cutler, he will suffer from a shaky line and suspect recievers, and if he comes here, Denver better just take JC because if they take draft picks from us, Cutler will have something to really cry about.

Posted by: kirbzone78 | April 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Ladyredskin, lay off the crack. Leevi98 pull you head out of Snyder's hinny. You are both lacking in knowledge just like Snyder, whose moves thus far have been, well, the results speak for themselves. JC17 has not had consistent systems or help, excepting Moss, the tightends and running back. Coaches get fired, systems change, and JC still gets better. Denver hasn't won with Cutler and he has had a system and coaching in place, plus a pro bowl receiver. Real Skins fans know that you don't need an arrogant guy with a big arm to win. Cutler has arrogance and arm strength, but has not won. Lotsa yards? Drew Brees had those and many weapons, not many wins. Redskins fans remember we won with Doug Williams, Mark Rypien and Joe Theisman, a 5'9" punt returner from the CFL. What wins championships are consistency, defense, ground game and, mostly, smart coaching.

If we get Cutler, he will suffer from a shaky line and suspect recievers, and if he comes here, Denver better just take JC because if they take draft picks from us, Cutler will have something to really cry about.

Posted by: kirbzone78 | April 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I posted an article...I did not write that. It's what we do here...we see news and share it. Does not mean i agree with everything in it.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Kirbzone78,

It's difficult to win with one of the worst D's in the league. They were 29th last year. Cutler will win with a top 5 defense.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 1, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder grew up a skins fan and he knows as I do that we haven't had a real QB forever and he is in position to do something about it

So....shut up

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

BEST POST ON HERE IN YEARS!!!!!!!!! Hail Brother Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Ahmmm and SO WAS JEFF GEORGE you friggin IDIOTS. REAL SKINS FANS? Comparing CUTLER to A
CHRISTIAN ADOLPH JURGENSON? NO FRIGGIN' WAY.

HE doesn't even rate even close to a KILMER!!!!
AND HE WAS COCKY!!!!

You have no clue, no brains, and worst of all live in a fantasy Universe ... yes all we need
is Jeff George and he will drive us to the superbowl ... that's what Dan the Snidely Owl
from Rockville thought and he WAS AND IS AN IDIOT who lacks the acumen of an HOF coach like Joe Gibbs or Bill Parcells ...

Give me a break please can the High School kids go to bed now?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Pat Bowlen is probably ruing the day he fired Shanahan and started all this mess.

McDaniels is a tool. I don't want Cutler here - and the mere thought of it breaks my heart - but both parties (McDaniels and Cutler) are too blame for the fiasco. And probably for us losing Campbell and our draft pick!

I agree with zcezcest1, this move is being made with Shanahan in mind (for HC next season - or mid season if we are losing). Vinny apparently is good friends with Shanahan. So they are planning to screw Campbell and Zorn AND the fans - guess we should be used to it by now.

I'm OVER the Skins FO!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

When will the people running this team understand that the quarterback is not the problems, ITS THE 5 PEOPLE THAT LINE UP IN FRONT OF HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: templetontherat | April 1, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"I'm OVER the Skins FO!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009"

Lisa, as I try to remind everyone ... Vinnie is NOT THE FO. The real GM is our Lunatic King Ludwig of Bavaria owner, Snidely the Owl from Rockville.

Nota Bene, note well how he has contradicted and undermined both his VP of Player Personnel and his head coach. But of course Snidely knows more about football and quarterbacks than the HOF coach who hand picked Campbell.

Anyone short of Joe Gibbs AND EVEN Joe Gibbs must cringe at thought of working for such a moron.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

One more thing to all those who say Cutler is better, especially you guy1577: Cutler and JC have almost identical stats over the same number of games played and started. But Cutler benefited from having the same coach his whole career, a guy who was a proven champion, the same system every year, a pro bowl big receiver, and a nasty O line. If JC had those things he'd be as good if not better than Cutler. Cutler lacks mental toughness and hasn't shown he is a winner as evidenced by his record. Yards and a bleep-talking mouth does not a winner make.

Posted by: kirbzone78 | April 1, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jason Campbell is a good quarterback who was placed in an unfavorable situation on this team. Yes, he has PLENTY of room to grow. Yes, he has a good shot at being a perennially great QB.

But

YES, Jay Cutler is a great QB. Yes, he has plenty of room to grow as well. Yes, he has a good chance at becoming generationally great QB.

It doesn't have to be either/or. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record, especially blaming Campbell's surroundings as the reason while ignoring Cutler's 30th ranked defense.

Too many slanted, idiotic arguments going on in this blog. More so than usual.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

We need a new web site like the one on the Nationals side: Fire Bowden.

FireSnidelyOwl (Dan Snyder).com

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Looks like all of you anti JC people will get your Great Hope at QB. The Cult of Colt lackeys can now become the Jury of Jay or some other corny name to indulge your new Mancrush. Campbell may or may not find sucess wherever he goes, but I appreciate his effort and how he stayed composed while trying to improve under adverse circumstances and not much support from a lot of people in Redskins nation. Too bad that Snyder, like a lot of dopes who call themselves Redskins fans would rather have a QB who is flashy without much substance, character or composure and hasn't proved that they're any better a QB than JC. These fans can't say for sure that JC is any worse than Cutler or Brennan. Unfourtunately JC doesn't fit the mold of a stereotypical NFL QB in these fans minds the way the other two do.


Good Luck JC

Posted by: moseley_brian | April 1, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder grew up a skins fan and he knows as I do that we haven't had a real QB forever and he is in position to do something about it

So....shut up

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

BEST POST ON HERE IN YEARS!!!!!!!!! Hail Brother Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Ahmmm and SO WAS JEFF GEORGE you friggin IDIOTS. REAL SKINS FANS? Comparing CUTLER to A
CHRISTIAN ADOLPH JURGENSON? NO FRIGGIN' WAY.

HE doesn't even rate even close to a KILMER!!!!
AND HE WAS COCKY!!!!

You have no clue, no brains, and worst of all live in a fantasy Universe ... yes all we need
is Jeff George and he will drive us to the superbowl ... that's what Dan the Snidely Owl
from Rockville thought and he WAS AND IS AN IDIOT who lacks the acumen of an HOF coach like Joe Gibbs or Bill Parcells ...

Give me a break please can the High School kids go to bed now?

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

So you disagree with peoples opinions? Interesting....getting kinda personal arn't you? Bit wound up? Sorry man...it's only a sport...I don't think it's called for to be calling peoples names and throwing insults because they do not have your same point of view.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree with zcezcest1, this move is being made with Shanahan in mind (for HC next season - or mid season if we are losing). Vinny apparently is good friends with Shanahan. So they are planning to screw Campbell and Zorn AND the fans - guess we should be used to it by now.

I'm OVER the Skins FO!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 11:47 PM

Aye!

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is better than Jay Cutler. The problem is are lack of height in the receiving core. Santana Moss is a #1/#2 good wide receiver and Randle-El is best suited in the slot. Either Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas or both need to step it up a and become bonified receivers. Campbell has everything you want a QB. We would be crazy to trade him. He would light it up in Denver.

Posted by: Arenas2Portis | April 1, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jason Campbell is a good quarterback who was placed in an unfavorable situation on this team. Yes, he has PLENTY of room to grow. Yes, he has a good shot at being a perennially great QB.

But

YES, Jay Cutler is a great QB. Yes, he has plenty of room to grow as well. Yes, he has a good chance at becoming generationally great QB.

It doesn't have to be either/or. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record, especially blaming Campbell's surroundings as the reason while ignoring Cutler's 30th ranked defense.

Too many slanted, idiotic arguments going on in this blog. More so than usual.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Nice post psps23. finally a nice post in response with some substance...a view we should all have.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I never understand the bashing that Snyder gets. As a fan, I love an owner who is willing to try anything to field a winning team. Sure, there will be mistakes, but if you take risks you will just be a perennial also-ran.

Campbell is an OK quarterback, but unlikely to be a great quarterback. I'd explore this option too.

Posted by: appalladia | April 1, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

"So you disagree with peoples opinions? Interesting....getting kinda personal arn't you? Bit wound up? Sorry man...it's only a sport...I don't think it's called for to be calling peoples names and throwing insults because they do not have your same point of view.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Sorry dude you get what you deserve if you come on here and agree with someone who hardly ever posts that we should shut up and like it, that we aren't real "Redskins Fans".

I've been one longer than you have dude. Acquire a tough hide else you know the old saying ... if its too hot in the kitchen ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

".. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record,..."

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Can you substantiate this claim, leevie?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Too many slanted, idiotic arguments going on in this blog. More so than usual.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Nice post psps23. finally a nice post in response with some substance...a view we should all have.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

I disagree that Cutler and Campbell ar equal. I agree with the notion first elaborated by Dr. Z that Campbell is better and so worth more.

So, are you really going to tell me psps23 that you believe our pal Snidely the Owl is going to trade the two straight up? Finding some way not to obliterate the salary cap with Cutler's contract?

He's an idiot pure and simple ... there is no other way to put it. Cutler is not mobile, he has diabetes so he isn't even healthy, he isn't a safe bet no matter how you look at it.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

NO!!!!!! THIS IS NUTS!!! CUTLER HAS NOT PROVED HE IS GOOD! THE CHARGERS QB SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PRO BOWL INSTEAD OF CUTLER! HE ISN'T LIKED BECAUSE HE HAS A POUTY ATTITUDE AND THE JETS PLAYERS DON'T WANT HIM BECAUSE HE IS A JERK WITH A LOUD MOUTH! HE IS A CRY BABY! LETS GO WITH COLT BRENNAN!! GIVE HIM A CHANCE! SNYDER SUCKS! I SWEAR IF HE DOES THIS, I AM NOT GOING TO BE A REDSKIN FAN UNTIL HE SELLS THE FRANCHISE. STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 2, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:
Citing a source, Glazer and Marvez reported that the Broncos want more than a first-round and a third-round draft pick in exchange for Cutler.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"Campbell is an OK quarterback, but unlikely to be a great quarterback. I'd explore this option too.

Posted by: appalladia | April 1, 2009"

The so is Cutler ... he is ranked 75 by Scouts Inc, and Campbell is 74. Cutler does not have as strong an arm, he isn't as mobile, isn't as good an athlete and is a bit too much like Jeff George. Factor in a case of diabetes at too young an age and you have someone who will likely end up on the IR before he ever comes close to "greatness".

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

kirbzone78,

Career stats

Campbell-Completion % 59.7, 7200 passing yds, 35 touchdowns, 23 int, passer rating 80.4

Cutler-Completion % 62.5, 9000 passing yds, 54 touchdowns, 37 int, passer rating 87.1

(Fumbles weren't listed as a category)

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

".. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record,..."

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Can you substantiate this claim, leevie?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Whats his post that he wrote have anything to do with me?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Cutler 25 tds, 18 ints in the AFC West last year, who's best team finished 8-8. It will be 18 td's and 25 ints if he ever plays in the NFC East, who's worse team finished 8-8. Cutler would not cut in in the NFC East.

Posted by: Enos1 | April 2, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"So you disagree with peoples opinions? Interesting....getting kinda personal arn't you? Bit wound up? Sorry man...it's only a sport...I don't think it's called for to be calling peoples names and throwing insults because they do not have your same point of view.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Sorry dude you get what you deserve if you come on here and agree with someone who hardly ever posts that we should shut up and like it, that we aren't real "Redskins Fans".

I've been one longer than you have dude. Acquire a tough hide else you know the old saying ... if its too hot in the kitchen ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

First of all....I'm not your "dude" Second you must not be that old using words like "dude" You ever heard of Sarcasim? "DUDE" I get what I deserve for having an Opinion

We have been season ticket holders for 46 years! So you still think you have been a Skins fan longer than me? "DUDE"

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

We had a defense keeping us in games. Denver Had to throw. Denver was 29th in defense last year.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Lol. My bad, leevi. Ah, that's funny.

Hey psp23,

Can you substantiate this claim, ".. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record,..."

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"So, are you really going to tell me psps23 that you believe our pal Snidely the Owl is going to trade the two straight up?"

No, hence my earlier post that says it depends on what's given up to get him.

"Cutler is not mobile, he has diabetes so he isn't even healthy, he isn't a safe bet no matter how you look at it."

Cutler most definitely is mobile. And how do you define "safe bet"? Cutler's proven he has the ability to play at an extremely high level (a level that very, very few QBs ever reach in their career). Of course he's not a sure thing, but neither is Campbell (and I'm a huge Campbell fan).

Here's a snippet from an older espn article:

'For all their differences, most of the NFL's promising young quarterbacks share a striking similarity in the eyes of scouts and coaches: They can't touch Denver's Jay Cutler for sheer potential.

Asked to evaluate 11 young starters, experts singled out Cutler as the quarterback most likely to reach the elite status currently shared by Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

"The kid in Denver, to me he is the future of this league," an AFC pro scout said.

"I would jump on that boat," an NFC personnel director said. "He isn't quite there, but you see those flashes of a guy who, once he has the whole playbook in his mind and he's made all the mistakes he needs to make in learning it, man, he's going to be a special player.'

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

HORRIBLE TEAM MANAGEMENT!! HORRIBLE DECISION MAKING! I can now say I am truly ashamed to be a Redskins fan!

Posted by: tejr3575 | April 2, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Lol. My bad, leevi. Ah, that's funny.

Hey psp23,

Can you substantiate this claim, ".. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record,..."

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

LOL I figured thats what happened lol too funny...I was thinking...huh????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

kirbzone78,

Career stats

"Campbell-Completion % 59.7, 7200 passing yds, 35 touchdowns, 23 int, passer rating 80.4

Cutler-Completion % 62.5, 9000 passing yds, 54 touchdowns, 37 int, passer rating 87.1

(Fumbles weren't listed as a category)

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009"

Cutler 16 fumbles 5 lost.
Campbell only 6 fumbles 1 lost.

Campbell a 2.1 TDs to INT ratio 2.1 TDs for
every INT
Cutler 1.3 TDs for every INT.

Campbell a 5.1 yds per carry average as a rusher
Cutler 3.7 yds per carry.


Remembering that this was Campbell's FIRST full year as a starter ... and third different offensive system. His INTs went down while Cutler's went WAY, WAY UP in his third year as a starter.

Cutler 16 fumbles 5 lost
Campbell 6 fumbles 1 lost

Campbell wins.

Cutler 113 att for 423 yds
3.7 yds / carry

Campbell 107 att for 550 yds
5.1 yds / carry

Campbell wins. Especially given the dearth
of fumbles.

Now let's compare trends ...

Cutler
5->14->18 INTs
Definite upward trend ...

Campbell:
6->11->6 INTs
Decline to leveling off.

Campbell wins.


Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Oh how people forget that the Skins went on a 4-game winning streak as soon as JC gets injured. I know it was a different offense but the bottom line is that he's just not good enough. He never will be. And no, it had nothing to do with Sean Taylor passing away.

Cutler's high # of picks is an overrated stat. The Broncos didn't have a defense so he was forced to make things happen. That's when interceptions happen. An improved defense will help Cutler's TD/Interception ratio.

Posted by: gillfish53 | April 2, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Here's what Scouts Inc. says ... it sure sounds to me like they think Campbell has the greater upside ...
Jay Cutler
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 75
Alert: None

Comment: Cutler became the starting quarterback during his rookie season. He needs some work on focusing on the game and not allowing outside distractions to throw him off his game. When he is focused and things are going well he can be dominating with his arm strength and ability to throw through small windows. He is mentally as well as physically tough and has the ability to remain calm under pressure, when he stays focused. He is a decent athlete with adequate scrambling skills, but is not going to turn a potential sack into a long gain too many times. He has the ability to throw on the move and can pull the trigger to get the ball off extremely quickly when the right color jersey flashes. He does have a tendency to try to force too many passes as is evidenced by his 14 interceptions. As he continues to learn to read coverages and improve his understanding of Denver's passing game, he should cut down on his number of mistakes and eventually become a top-level quarterback for a long time.


Jason Campbell
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74
Alert: None

Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Campbell wins. Fewer mistakes, fewer turnovers, better mobility, stronger arm, much greater potential future upside.

Campbell is a better bet to be a future elite franchise QB period.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Can you substantiate this claim, ".. And you can't knock Cutler for having an under .500 record when Jason Campbell has an under .500 record,..."

Posted by: matthewvickers

Capmbell's record as a starter: 16-20

Cutler's record as a starter: 17-20

Both are under .500. You can't use Cutler's record as a reason to say "he's not proven as a winner" while ignoring the fact that Campbell is equally as unproven in this manner.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

FROM ESPN (again, and again):

But the most revealing category were those quarterbacks who finished with a value of 0 or less. Every one of them failed as NFL quarterbacks. Take a look:

Scores of First-Round Quarterbacks, 1997-2008
Group I: Strong likelihood of success
Player School Draft year Score
Matt Leinart USC 2006 64.04
Philip Rivers NC State 2004 48.44
Tim Couch Kentucky 1999 47.64
Alex Smith Utah 2005 44.88
Aaron Rodgers California 2005 40.58
Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 39.47
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75 **************
Byron Leftwich Marshall 2003 36.39
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004 33.85
Chad Pennington Marshall 2000 33.53
Daunte Culpepper Central Florida 1999 30.00
David Carr Fresno State 2002 23.97
Joe Flacco Delaware 2008 23.92
Eli Manning Ole Miss 2004 23.14
Donovan McNabb Syracuse 1999 21.62
Group II: Hit-or-Miss
Player School Draft year Score
Brady Quinn Notre Dame 2007 18.93
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007 18.64
Rex Grossman Florida 2003 18.39
Vince Young Texas 2006 18.21
Carson Palmer USC 2003 16.35
Matt Ryan Boston College 2008 9.14
Patrick Ramsey Tulane 2002 9.06
J.P. Losman Tulane 2004 7.86
Jay Cutler Vanderbilt 2006 2.39 *************
Group III: Busts
Player School Draft year Score
Akili Smith Oregon 1999 0.00
Cade McNown UCLA 1999 -6.41
Joey Harrington Oregon 2002 -6.85
Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001 -11.32
Ryan Leaf Washington St. 1998 -16.92
Jim Druckenmiller Virginia Tech 1997 -20.25
Kyle Boller California 2003 -50.67

Stafford scored a -4.45, putting him in unflattering surroundings to say the least. You never want to be on a list that includes Jim Druckenmiller and Akili Smith. Stafford's career completion percentage of 57.1 percent and his touchdown-interception ratio of 1.55 were primarily responsible for his poor showing. That left him rated well below USC quarterback Mark Sanchez and slightly behind Kansas State's Josh Freeman.

Scores for 2009 Likely First-Round Quarterbacks
Player School Score
Mark Sanchez USC 32.63
Josh Freeman Kansas State 1.94
Matthew Stafford Georgia -4.55

Stafford's numbers were dragged down by a freshman season in which Stafford completed 52.7 percent of his passes and threw 13 interceptions against seven touchdowns.

CAMPBELL WINS BIG HERE THIS PREDICTS that CUTLER either doesn't have the athleticism or takes to many risks ... in other words his tendency is to MAKE TOO MANY MISTAKES!!!

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Not sure where the stats came from but NFL.com lists Campbells fumbles as 21 with 9 lost.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

ESPN Research developed this formula to measure quarterbacks relative to a baseline completion percentage of 60 and a touchdown-interception ratio of 2.25. The multipliers allow each figure to have equal weight with career starts, which provides an important measure of experience.

The total score is the sum of the three adjusted figures.

The separate parameters for BCS and non-BCS quarterbacks help level the statistical playing field. They are based on the assumption that NFL-caliber quarterbacks playing against non-BCS opponents are going to have inflated numbers.

For BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x5] +[(Career touchdown-INT ratio - 2.25)x10]

For non-BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x2.5] + [(Career touchdown-INT Ratio - 2.25)x5]

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Cutler "is 13-1 when the Broncos hold an opponent to 21 points or less."

Give him a defense, and he wins.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Cutler is listed as 24 with 8 lost (basically even with Campbell).

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"Not sure where the stats came from but NFL.com lists Campbells fumbles as 21 with 9 lost.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009"

You're right ... and Cutler has 24 fumbles with 8 lost. Was looking at ESPN ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"Give him a defense, and he wins.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009"

Against who? This is the BEAST not the rinky dink afc west with the Oakland Raiders and Chiefs ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Cutler "is 13-1 when the Broncos hold an opponent to 21 points or less."

Give him a defense, and he wins.


Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Interesting stat

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

If it is not broke what is Mr. Snyder trying to fix. There is nothing wrong with Jason Campbell, the offensive line broke down and the defense is weak. The past several years they draft defensive backs. What about a strong front four, it makes your defense. Remember Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks. Now, what did these three teams have in common with each other? They had a strong offensive line (The Hogs) and a consistent defense that got the job done. Getting Jay Cutler is not the answer, keeping Jason Campbell and building the team around him. Stay in the box Mr. Snyder and let your coaches "Coach"

Posted by: Kpanther | April 2, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow WashPost. Can you get a bigger wedge to put between the Skins and JC17?

Since when is the internet and Miserable Surburban Guy Radio count as an end all be all?

That being said, too much is currently out and Snyder has no choice but to make this move for the good of the team tonight.

Cutler needs to be here tommmorow and start working out with the team and JZ imediately.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

This whole situation is a mess... If we somehow kept our round 1 pick and traded JC17 for JC6 I might not be too opposed to this deal but that is probably impossible..

here we were thinking we could fill at least 2 of the 3 holes we had in the draft and get promising young guys and now we have to deal with this...

I love Campbell and I think he has a ton of potential but I have always questioned whether or not he sees the field that well and misses receivers..Sure we can chalk some of that up to the Oline deteriorating because he doesnt get the time but I can think of numerous times listening to larry, sunny, and sam where they say someone was wide open downfield and JC didnt see him..I would like to see what he could with an improved OLine however.

Yeah Cutler is probably better than JC and has unlimited potential but dont u start to wonder about team chemistry? If cutler comes and we keep our 13th pick I wont complain too much just because the guy looks like he can be great.

Oh and one more thing..Ive got some buddies out in Denver who say they have seen Cutler at the bar plenty of times and he is a total D-Bag...I feel like if I bumped into Campbell at the bar he would keep it real and say whats up and be a bro about it.. Do we want a tool like cutler running around our city trying to scheme on our chicks?? So because of that I gotta give the edge to JCampbell..

Campbell > Cutler

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 2, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is a better bet to be a future elite franchise QB period.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse
____________________

I like Campbell and think he will be a good QB but had did you come to this conclusion from the report. This is there bottom line:

Cutler - he should cut down on his number of mistakes and eventually become a top-level quarterback for a long time.

Campbell - He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Based on this I would think that are saying that Cutler has the better chance to be an elite QB but Campbell should develop into a very good one.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Just to get this out, I like Jason Campbell. I have since he has been here. If we get Cutler I will still Like JC17. I just think that Cutler will make this team better. With that being said, I am going to bed. I hope I wake up and see that the Redskins have a new #6.

Posted by: guy1577 | April 2, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm willing to let this play out.

In Vinny we trust, right?

I highly doubt geting Cutler will involve him getting a new contract. We have to see how he plays 1st in the real NFL Division, The NFC BEAST.

How many years left on Cutler's contract?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Campbell a stronger arm than Cutler???

...don't think so.

Posted by: hender_22 | April 2, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree guy1577. I love JC17 as a person. And I was willing to give him this year before I would have asked for a change.

But the Redskins is Snyder's ship and we're just riding along for the love of the helmet. If JC17 goes to an AFC team, I may become a fan instantly of his team rooting for him to do well.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Why give up a good guy for someone who isn't better but just looks like a crybaby and a jackass during all of this? Campbell is the better man. Campbell is the person who should lead the Redskins. But I guess the Danny doesn't care about character.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | April 2, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

What's the chances of us getting a 2nd rounder?

We may have to settle with a 3rd that moves to a 2nd if the next team signs a long term deal with him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, I'll wake up in the morning and this will just be another case of Ocho Stinko... a stupid deal that falls through so that the team might improve in spite of Snyder's lust for "blockbuster" trades that never make the team better.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

The truth is that Cutler and Campbell are on relatively similar paces, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Campbell is the guy who has mastered the art of reading defenses with the goal of minimizing mistakes. He knows to perfection the passes he knows he can make in that respect, without the risk of making a costly mistake. His potential lies in pushing that limit to get the greatest amount of production without compromising his goal of minimizing mistakes.

Cutler is the guy who is in the process of perfecting the art of picking apart defenses. He knows he has the ability to pick apart any defense at any time, and he attempts to do this in every game. His potential lies in perfecting his ability to read a defense to know at just what point a risk turns from a big gain into a big mistake. Right now his range regarding those risks is relatively wide. His potential lies in narrowing that range to a specific point.

In other words, Campbell is taking the Tom Brady route -- doing what he knows he can do early in his career, slowly building upon that by not really pushing the envelope, and mostly letting his teammates determine how he plays and produces.

Cutler is taking the Peyton Manning route -- consistently pushing the envelope, finding out exactly what it takes to put up big numbers, while in the process making - and learning - from his mistakes.

Eventually, both QBs reached a happy medium. Brady progressed year after year, never really sacrificing his anti-mistake philosophy, until he got his elite sidekicks when his production exploded. His # of mistakes remained relatively constant throughout, while his numbers gradually increased.

Manning, on the other hand, consistently dropped his turnover margin while never really sacrificing his goal of picking apart every defense. His production remained relatively constant, while his turnovers gradually decreased.

Both QBs ended up reaching pretty much the same point of elitism with regards to running an offense.

So the question is, which one is better for this team? (Although I think Cutler is slightly further along in their respective paces).

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

All I know is that the Broncos were 8-8 last year, just like the Skins. And if you take away their "blown ref call" game against the Chargers, they were 7-9 under Cutler!!

Snyder and Cerrato don't get it. Look at the Giants who dominate us. Look at the teams that consistently win. Build from the line, keep players together. My God, this would be the first time Campbell would have the same offense two years in a row! We will be giving so much up! JC 17 was blamed for the 2-6 ending. The BLAME belongs with management for not having a deep enough club when injuries hit! Come on Campbell was amazing in our 6-2 start!! I just can't believe all the effort to fill a position we already have (and with Todd and Colt on the bench). Attention...attention...that's all Dan wants in order to sell more jerseys and more tickets.

This is so sad!

Posted by: DFi4487 | April 2, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I tried to read through as many of these posts as possible. I think there are a number of good points being made as the comparisons are doled out. But the thing that keeps echoing in my mind is that it just feels like this is not an organization in which anyone is going to flourish. Would Favre (of say 7 years ago) come in here and do well? Portis is an excellent running back and has had some good numbers, but has he been dominating? I'm not blaming him -- I know, the OL has to be rock solid, but is there something greater here that's going wrong?

Obviously no team is going to be perfect across the board, but it doesn't feel like the Skins are able to ever raise their "whole" to be greater than the sum of the parts, whereas other teams seem to do better in this regard.

I can't figure out where it's breaking down, but this team does have a lot of talented players. It just isn't jelling, is it? What's the real problem?

Posted by: fan-o-matic | April 2, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"Look at the Giants who dominate us."

The Giants traded 2 first round picks (#4 and #12 overall) and a 3rd round pick for Eli Manning. And they already had Kurt Warner on the roster.

Things are not always as simple as they seem.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Cutler's now crying that he "never wanted it to go this far... I love Denver & my teammates... I never wanted to be traded..." I bet he'll apologize to Bowlen/McDaniels and they'll keep him.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 2, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about that Brady/Manning comparrison.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Those are the models they're following 4th. Obviously, either could fall off at any point, and both are far from reaching their pinnacle.

Brady has always played within the game, taking what the defense gave him. He lets the way the game unfolds dictate his play. His game grew from that basic philosophy. Only when his supporting cast far outmatched his opponents did his numbers explode (similar to the "supporting cast" arguments seen here on Jason Campbell).

Manning has always played to manipulate the game. He attempted to set the pace, and force the game to unfold in the manner he chose. His game grew from that basic philosophy. A "keep up if you can" type mentality. He always put up yards and TDs, but only in his 6th year and beyond did he eventually cut down on the mistakes.

Campbell plays under the philosophy of Brady, Cutler plays under the philosophy of Manning.

Try not to think of it as a direct comparison.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Bronco's must not be interested in J.Campbell if their shopping him to 3rd parties for a second rd. pick,so obviously the trade will cost us #13 and perhaps more, not to mention losing JC.I'm just not sure thats an equitable trade,especially when we're not sure what we are giving up in JC's future potential and the future potential of #13 pick.We could potentially be losing 2-3 stud players.Cutler would almost have to be the next Manning or Brady to make this trade equitable.Campbell is just too good a quarterback to break the bank like that for cutler,not to mention he's a great guy.

Posted by: mark65 | April 2, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Got ya.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

The Bronco's arent interested in JC17,or we woudnt be shopping him to 3rd parties for a second round pick.So obviously cutler will cost us #13 and perhaps more,not to mention the loss of JC17.I'm just not convinced cutler is worth breaking the bank like that,especially considering we dont know what were giving up in terms of the upside of campbell and the upside of #13 pick.Campbell is too good of a quarterback to risk losing 2-3 stud players for cutler.I heard cutler was a bit of a boozer anyone else heard anything along those lines?

Posted by: mark65 | April 2, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

There is a tremendous amount of turnover to come in the next 2 years. I counted between 13 and 19 current of the top 30 Skins not likely to be here more than 2 more years.

On top of this, I suspect that Blache, Zorn and Vinny are all likely to move on or move down (some voluntarily, some not) within that same time frame.

The Skins do not need to make a change at QB. They have other battles to fight. What matters most is that they understand the challenges and address them.

I'm on record as saying if Cutler brings Shanahan, its a good move. Still, this smacks of a team without a plan. It would mean demoting Zorn & Vinny and handing the team over to Shanahan, just a few weeks prior to the draft. Does that sound like a plan to anyone?

Further, Jay Cutler, by most measures, is not a meaningful upgrade over Jason Campbell, so management attention should be elsewhere. Its not. That is the real issue. The Skins management are spending their time solving the a non-problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 2:18 AM | Report abuse

I originally was against this & thought the 'skins might show patience... but then I saw this stat:

In games where the Broncos have allowed 21 points or fewer, Cutler is an impressive 13-1, and that only loss was to Green Bay in 2007 when the Packers won the coin toss and Brett Favre threw an 82-yard touchdown pass on the first play of overtime.

That's all we need to know folks... He scores points & we don't give up 21 too often... GO GET HIM!!! 3 First rounders if necessary (not in a row)... sometimes you gotta overpay to get what you want!

Posted by: tony325 | April 2, 2009 2:25 AM | Report abuse

This would probably top the Jeff George for Brad Johnson move as the stupidest in Snyders reign. Anyone remember Jeff George? Great arm, lots of touchdowns against weak competition, lots of interceptions against all competition, petulent little boy attitude, had his worst career stats when he had to play in the NFC East against legit defenses.

And yes, all the folks screaming for Brad's head were nowhere to be found when he started for a team with legit O-line and receivers and won a Super Bowl.

Posted by: geotherm21 | April 2, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Cutler has a bunch of yeah buts ...

He threw lots of TDs. Yeah, but he had a very good offense around him and had to throw a lot

He was 8-8 on a team with a bad defense. Yeah, but he played in the AFC West against a very weak schedule. Plus one win was gift wrapped by a ref after blowing a call on what should have been Cutler's game ending fumble

He throws for a lot of yards. Yeah, but he also throws a lot of INTs, even against mediocre defenses

Basically, Cutler is not a clear cut top QB. He's not done much against tier 1 competition (aka, the NFC East), he does make mistakes (see INTs) and he's never been a winner at the pro level despite playing in a weak division.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's ESPN's latest on Cutler:
"Early-morning Cutler update

April 2, 2009 12:23 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

The Washington Post reported Wednesday night that the Redskins are actively pursuing Denver quarterback Jay Cutler."

LMAO. ESPN, the world-wide leader in sports, updating an important story with a quote and link from "lowly" RI. Maybe all the vituperative RI naysayers will have to retract their talons now.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 6:01 AM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, this is an absolutely stupid idea. Let Campbell grow for the first time in his second year in the same offense. I agree with everyone else who supports JC that he will improve again this coming year. I have a feeling that he will end up being a victim of Dopy Danny and we will never see his true potential... If JC does get traded, I hope he takes whatever team he is playing on to the Super Bowl in the next 2 years! He deserves it! That will finally show Redskin brass just how stupid they are!

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | April 2, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Redskins will get Cutler. I don't think they can bid enough for him. They don't have the cap space for any good trades (e.g., Cooley); they don't have a defensive lineman to trade which is what Denver needs; they don't have enough draft picks, at least not in this year's draft. Other teams will outbid the 'Skins.

After Cutler is traded, there is still the possibility of trading up for Sanchez but they probably don't have enough ammunition for that either. Sanchez's stock is rising and the Skins would need to get in the top five.

As for Campbell, yeah, he'll be understandably upset but what is he going to do? He has to have a good year this year, regardless. He's can't afford the luxury of pouting and sulking or demanding a trade. He's going to be stuck with the Skins and the Skins are going to be stuck with him, and he'll have to go out on the field and prove that the 'Skins were wrong about it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Thunder on this one.

If we trade for Culter, can we make one whacked out owner and his sock puppet part of the deal?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 2, 2009 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Why are the Skins spending time on this?!!! This is not where our immediate needs are guys!!! Campbell was amazing in the first half last year against Dallas and Philadelphia!!! We were 6-2 until injuries set in and our lack of depth (due to high priced players) doomed our last 8 games! Even now Campbell wants to play for us in the face of these trade talks. Cutler lacks Jason's character, professionalism, height, mobility and I would take JC17's arm any day over JC6's arm. And Jason's in a contract year...we all know what that does to a player!

I cannot stand this management! No one is like Snyder. Not even Jerry Jones. And Jerry's at least won his own Super Bowls!

Posted by: DFi4487 | April 2, 2009 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I am so glad I gave up my 11 season tickets this year. What a crock. You would think that the Owner would look to successful franchises like the Colts and Pats and see how they operate. This desire to play fantasy football is awful. Well at least I have the memories of JKC's reign at the helm. God help the Skins fans.

Posted by: UnhappyFan | April 2, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious??? This is embarrassing. As a 6 year season ticket holder I am really unhappy to hear this. When is the last time a big time trade occurred that resulted in a Super bowl win? I'd have to go back to 2000 before you could find a team that switched QBs and won it all (St. Louis). And even then he had been in the system. Moves (if its true) like this make us a joke of the league. Its hard to defend these actions as a fan.

Posted by: ceemonster1 | April 2, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

So we're going to to get Cutler and a 2nd round pick in exchange for JC and probably Cooley or Landry. Dan Snyder is a f'n idiot! Why can't he just be normal?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

And we'll lose our 1st round pick!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Well after reading all the idiots last night, and there leader Peri. you would think that this deal already happened.

I will wait to see if it actually happens before I start crying about it. The Redskins are always put into these discussions to drive up price.

If this does happen I guarantee it wasn't Cerrato pushing for it, this would be a pure Snyder deal.

Stop talking about Cooley it can't happen, he would be a 11mil hit against the cap if traded. They would also have to fit Cutler under the cap, that they are already over with a Cooley trade.

The Broncos have already told teams what the price is, two first round picks that is crazy if we give them to 1st then this team is in big trouble.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

beep beep...good morning -- and an early morning it is! nothing new, just a roundup to give you guys a new thread.

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 2, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

people,

I have been a fan of this team since 1971 and i have never been ashamed of being a Redskins fan until this owner took over. He and Vinnie are a joke - no oher way to put it. I hope this trade does not go through, Campbell leaves after this year and has success somewhere else. They (Dan/Vin) are the biggest doosh bags in sports (biggest D-bags that haven't broken the law, that is).

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 2, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

DESkinzfan, my Redskin fan history is as yours, 1971-72. I"ve been saying on this blog for now years that Snyder is the problem, and things will not change until he changes, which rarely happens to people, or he leaves/sells the team. Right now I pray for what you stated: Campbell uses this to have an All-Pro year then either demands and big contract or leaves. During the season I was chided for resigning my allegiance to this horribly operated team, but I"m more resolute in that desire than ever. This is no longer the Redskins on which we grew up, but a paper shell of a once-great franchise being manipulated by that little charlatan Oz-king and his lapdog for his own gratification.
"Here we go Steelers, Here we go!"
You can clown Gibbs' 'heavy jumbo' package all you want, but that's exactly what the Ravens lined up in an executed perfectly in those two crunching, demoralizing TD runs against Dallas last year; they can do it because they have PLAYERS, A REAL GM, AND A REAL OWNER.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 2, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Time to sit back and relax. Danny and Vinny have a plan. There will be at least three if not four teams involved in multiple trades of players and draft picks. The Skins will end up with numerous first and second picks in this years and next years drafts and build a team that will set a record for winning the most consecutive Super Bowls ever.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | April 2, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I think y'all are crazy to think that JC17 will have success after he leaves here - unless there's a team/coach/coordinator out there willing to give him another few years in a system to develop. Remember the NFL stands for Not For Long and as much as I think JC17 is a class guy, he's just not a quick enough decision maker.
Sure Cutler takes risks and JC17 didn't throw a pick early last year, but how many TDs did he throw? With an offense like ours, we need more points on the board.
I'm also amused that everyone was busting on the Examiner of giving projections on a possible trade over the last two weeks and JLC & Co doing little on what was going on - while eating out of the Skins hands.
Guess running a bigtime operation doesn't always mean having the most resources - something else old Danny boy should think about.
I hope this Cutler deal - cause you know it's gonna happen as Danny's always hot for the big trade - doesn't cost us like the CP for Champ deal did.
Although, the added bonus of getting Cutler just all may be a big ploy to lure Shannahan to Redskins Park.
And before you get ready to defend JZ and say that wouldn't happen, look at what happened to Marty. JZ - another outstanding & classy guy - better be praying for 11-5 and an NFC Championship (or better) run.

Posted by: dcnative17 | April 2, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Once again the idiotic owner and the equally idiotic so called general manger have managed to come up with another way to piss off and alienate Redskin fans. I dont care who is behind center on this team because if the redskins go into the season with the same pitifull, pathetic,sorry,offensive line it is all a moot point. Does Dan/Vin know how to spell offensive lineman? This is truly pathetic. What are they thinking? If you want to see the real difference between Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell just listen to what Jason said after it finally came out that the Redskins were going after Cutler. He did not cry or sulk about it. He acted as a true professional. That's right Dan/Vin. Trade away a quarterback who can be a damn good one if you build something decent around him. One who is not only a professional but also a real man. I have always said that Jason would never reach his full potential in Washington and now you see why.

Posted by: stealthcopter1 | April 2, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

We should the guy who said this the GM:

one scenario I could see: we trade our first for JC6, then trade JC17 to TB (D.Williams GM) for their 1st or 2nd.

So, according to that deal Campbell is more valuable than Cutler. Well, if that's the case why don't we just hang on to him since we already have him?

Posted by: Kohlrums | April 2, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

We should make this guy who said this the GM:

one scenario I could see: we trade our first for JC6, then trade JC17 to TB (D.Williams GM) for their 1st or 2nd.

So, according to that deal Campbell is more valuable than Cutler. Well, if that's the case why don't we just hang on to him since we already have him?

Posted by: Kohlrums | April 2, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

How dumb would this move be if the skins made the trade and Jason Campbell threw about 18 to 20 touchdowns this seasons not only would that move force Snyder to extend his contract but also to evaluate the way he does things if Cutler came in to the skins do you think he would like being a second fiddle to campbell i don't think so because of the fact that his ego is too big now Cambell is saying all the right thing at this point the question is is he willing to prove snyder and Cerrato wrong with his play by throwing 20 scores.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 2, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

This is a bad idea. We need to draft an O-line. Campbell I think is gonna have a strong year. And frankly, Cutler is whiney prima donna.

This team doesn't need whiney prima donna's when the running back and head coach are drama queens.

This is a big mistake waiting to happen. But what to expect when Dan Snyder is the owner.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

IF true, this is WAAAAAACCCCCKKK.

Posted by: ntlekt | April 2, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Why does this not surprise me? Right now we are in a lose-lose situation. If this trade happens we will lose Campbell and definitely a high draft pick that we so desperately need. If this thing falls through then we have alienated our QB who has been great off the field and will continue to get better on the field. Will Snyder ever learn that this is not MLB and with a salary cap it is impossible to have an All-Pro at every single position! I am so close to giving up my season tickets and just watching this mess on TV each week. It kills me to give my money to an owner who is driving this franchise into the ground. Before long, we are going to be the Detroit Lions!

Posted by: NCMatt1 | April 2, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a joke. He and Cerrato are the ones that need to leave Washington, not Campbell.

I mean how stupid are these guys. With this O-line, it doesn't matter who you put behind center, they gonna spend have the time on their back.

Campbell can get the job done, if they protect him, and stop changing the offensive system every year.

Dan Snyder will forever ruin the Redskins.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a joke. He and Cerrato are the ones that need to leave Washington, not Campbell.

I mean how stupid are these guys. With this O-line, it doesn't matter who you put behind center, they gonna spend have the time on their back.

Campbell can get the job done, if they protect him, and stop changing the offensive system every year.

Dan Snyder will forever ruin the Redskins.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Everyone acts like this is business as usual for the redskins. It's not. AH and Cutler are young stars that their teams should have never let go. If Danny Vinny had made these kind of moves all along we'd have a great team. Certain positions are not reliable in the draft, and Q is the main one. AND KEEP IN MIND SHANNAHAN IS STILL OUT THERE. Who knows where this leads...

Posted by: JHvet1 | April 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

A few months ago weren't we reading about Vinny's "plan"? That the FO was going to resist going out and throwing $$$ at anything bright and shiny?

The Skins problem is not on the roster - it is with the people who sign the paychecks,

.

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why everyone is so upset that we could be UPGRADING our QB Position?? Understand there are other pressing needs, but QB has been a need for a while. Should be happy we have an owner willing to spend the money to improve the team.. Just a thought..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 2, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm all in! I kinda like this deal. We get Cutler and trade Cerrato and Snyder. Seems like a great deal to me. (whispering)Huh? What do you mean Snyder and Cerrato are staying? (More whispering) They have to go, they can't stay here!?!? (More whispering) So it is true? This is one more step in Snyder and Cerrato's plan to turn the Redskins into the Detroit Lions?!?!?!

Posted by: DCWFrazier | April 2, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

This is flavor of the month insanity. Cutler's stat's are that much better. Jason did well untill the line wore down. It makes me sick to watch Snyder continually churn and burn this franchise to the ground.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 2, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

All you need to know about what a bad deal this would be for the Skins is to look how Campbell and Cutler have acted after trade talks hit the media. Campbell acted like a classy adult while Cutler acted like a spoiled brat. You can't be elite while acting like a baby!

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 2, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't about Cutler's talent. Look at this whole situation. He didn't feel wanted by the team, so he put it out in the media and didn't go to voluntary practices.

He didn't return the owner's phone call, then claimed he didn't get it. Now the whiney brat never wanted to be traded.

He asked for a trade!!!

This is not a man, this is a boy. He's not mature enough. He will take drama with him wherever he goes.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

What has JC17 done that makes him untouchable as a QB? I have seen good moments, but also indecision, holding on to the ball to long, and a weird inability to slide when running. Not exactly a "fit" in the West Coast Offense.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 2, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The guy doesn't ever get a fair shot. They keep changing the system. Adding receivers, and not upgrading the line. And yet his numbers improve every season.

He had virtually the same QB rating as Eli Manning with a way inferior offensive line, and basically one receiver.

Imagine if he were in the same system for two years with a younger, more athletic line in front of him.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You can tell by looking at Jay Cutler's face.... He is an arrogant jerk at heart. I've thought this for a few years.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | April 2, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The guy doesn't ever get a fair shot. They keep changing the system. Adding receivers, and not upgrading the line. And yet his numbers improve every season.

He had virtually the same QB rating as Eli Manning with a way inferior offensive line, and basically one receiver.

Imagine if he were in the same system for two years with a younger, more athletic line in front of him.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I would like to publicly apologize to Jason Campbell. Who can ever believe anything Vinny Cerato says? The man is an outright liar. "We're not pursuing Cutler." "Jason Taylor will be here next season." "I do not sleep next on a couch in Mr. Snyder's room." Way to ruin your so called franchise quarterback's psyche and play fantasy football again. This is beyond tacky and it's beyond comprehension. It's pathetic that the Redskins, to no one's surprise, have entered the Cutler race after saying they weren't. Cutler, while talented, is a cry baby and I don't want him. At least Campbell, the guy getting screwed in this whole deal, is the only one acting with any class. That's the only thing not surprising here.

Posted by: ywill316 | April 2, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell vs. Jay Cutler.

Jay Cutler has yet to be a proven QB.
Jason Campbell is proven. Proven to be a bust!

Get rid of that bum! Put in Collins and save the commotion over two mediocre wannabees

Posted by: JayKnows | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins, but I swear if Dan Snyder trades Jason I will stop being a Redskins Fan. Can't put in words the anger and disappointment when I heard the news. The Proud Redskins Franchise has become a ridicule. I will stop defending my Redskins if this thing happens. I was giving the benefit of doubt to Dan that he has changed, but sadly thats not the case.
Never liked Vinny. Liked Zorn a lot. But I wouldn't care anymore if Zorn was fired now or later. Just go Dan, Vinny. Just go.

Posted by: Maheshwp | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This is making me sick to my stomach.
Don't do it Snyder. I'm begging you.
Don't make me hate the Redskins. It would rip my heart out.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | April 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... this is garbage, we need o-line and d-line. Campbell can play, he needs to play another year. I cant wait to see how many draft picks we shower the broncos with. The broncos will rebuild for the next 5 years based on this trade.
Let's guess the package Vinny "snow man" cerrato puts together:
Campbell, Cooley, 1st round pick and second round pick for 2010 draft
- He and snyder are a disease

Posted by: DFelice7797 | April 2, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The guy doesn't ever get a fair shot. They keep changing the system. Adding receivers, and not upgrading the line. And yet his numbers improve every season.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM

Are you serious? numbers improve every season?

2006 - 7 GS - 53.1% - 10 TD - 6 INT - 185.3 ypg
2007 - 13 GS - 60.0% - 12 TD - 11 INT - 207.7 ypg
2008 - 16 GS - 62.3% - 13 TD - 6 INT - 202.8 ypg

His numbers are only marginally better last season than they were in his FIRST season and that year he only played SEVEN games.

His completion percentage went up - which it should in a West Coast system.

Jason's problem is his head is still in the last play when he comes to the line to take the snap on the next.

I like Jason as a person - but as a quarterback I've always questioned their trade up to get him.

So now, as usual, Dan Snyder has to correct his draft mistakes by getting into a situation to make a deal that will cost him more than it should.

I really wish it were possible to cut/trade owners, but the reality is, he ain't selling and no one can make him.

Enjoy your fate my fellow fans, because I'm sure we'll be stuck with him for a long time. Oh, and if you want your ticket prices to come down, go to Six Flags & Johnny Rockets. That's why it costs $35 a game to park and why the tickets are so expensive - this is Danny's cash cow and boy is it fat.

Posted by: dcnative17 | April 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOO!!!! Put me down for turning my back on the Skins if they make this deal. This would be the last straw. I've been a fan since the Sonny Jurgenson days, but if they treat Campbell like this and acquire Cutler just because he's the latest shiny object waving in front of Snyder, I'm pulling for the Ravens from here on out. Campbell is a future all-star if you just leave him in an offense for more than one season. Snyder and Cerato need to be thrown in the Potomac.

Posted by: RIP-21 | April 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

If we had an offensive line, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Plus we wouldn't have to worry about Clinton's health. Jason can get the pill down field, but he needs more than 2or 3 seconds before some mass of humanity is on his azz......... Cutler plays like Farve....But HE AIN'T NO FARVE....Give us an Offensive line and Heath Shuler could run this team and be a top 10 QB.

Posted by: BingCreole | April 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This owner and GM will never get it. You win with a solid OL and DL and controlling the line of scrimage. Everyone loved JC when we were 6-2 and the line had fresh legs. When they showed their age and lack of depth we went 2-6 down the stretch and everyone blaimed JC. I think he has the tools, and under Zorn could develope into a great player. I hope this is an April Fools joke, if the Skins are really pursuing him I have no doubt they'll get their guy. Unfortunately, Danny and Vinny will probably give up at least JC and our first round pick leaving us with a team built around two guys, Haynesworth and Culter. Not exactly character guys from what I've seen from both of them so far in their careers. I hope this doesn't get done. We should consider ourselves lucky we have a QB who won't cry to be trade if this mistake doesn't happen.

Posted by: mclachlan_doug | April 2, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The only thing separating Dan Snyder from the rest of us is a bunch of money.....he probably even blogs on this website. Luckily for most teams their fans don't get to run or ruin their team, but we are not so lucky. This guy know no more than you and I.............Please sell our team!

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 2, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It would be a bad deal! Yes he's good but so is Jason. He had a better O-line and better receivers in Denver and still threw many picks. Can he run better then Jason? Because that's what he's going to be doing in Washington!

Pls Snyder, would you guys just concentrate on the O-line! Oh, and maybe a linebacker.

Posted by: harryrainbolt | April 2, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MonkMossMann | April 2, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm always amused by those who continue to use the "same offense" label on Jason Campbell.

blah blah ... If we had a better offensive line and he had more time to throw, he'd be better. ... blah blah

Hate to tell you this, but anyone know which QB got sacked the most last season? That's right Matt Cassel. No. 2 - oh, only Super Bowl MVP Ben Roethlisberger.

Out of those 2, Cassel had 10 more passing attempts than JC17 and Big Ben had about 40 fewer.

So please, stop with the tired argument of the changing systems. If you're a good QB, that's not still an excuse entering the fifth season out of the draft.

Is Cutler the answer? Maybe, maybe not. But let's cut this JC is future all-star crap. He'll never be anything more than an average NFL QB.

Posted by: dcnative17 | April 2, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, no disrespect intended! I meant to say MR. Snyder, would you guys just concentrated on the O-line! Remember the HOGS. That's why the Redskins offenses were so good. It was the O-line! Did I mention O-line?

Posted by: harryrainbolt | April 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Without a doubt the fact remains that Cutler is a definite upgrade over Campbell (as much as we all appreciate how Campbell handles these "distractions")...How about JC17 and our 1 for Cutler and their 2?

Posted by: justlovesports | April 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Dear JLC:

Please write an article saying the 'skins traded 3 #1's for Cutler. That way Danny will read it and decide against the move to prove you wrong. PLease for the love of god somebody do something to save us from dan snyder.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | April 2, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The more you consider and compare these two players (it is unfortunate), but the better Cutler looks. They both have had limited time in the NFL and the verdict is still out, but you can take it even further back to college...they both played in the SEC and while going undefeated is great (Wins are the most important stat for the QB position) JC17 did it with 2 top 5 draft picks at RB (2!!)...As a former QB I can tell you firsthand that a great O-line is very nice, good WR's are fun to have, but a stud at RB is truly a QB's best friend...then you look at Cutler, he played well enough in the SEC at Vandy to warrant being drafted in the top 15 (ahead of where a strong armed QB like JC17 was drafted after going undefeated)...and if memory serves me right, JC17 was actually drafted in Denver's original slot (25, I believe)...just some food for thought

Posted by: justlovesports | April 2, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Its funny that no one gets it yet. WE WILL GET CUTLER and the main reason is Shanahan! He will be Washington's Head Coach next year if Zorn doesnt produce a Ring or at least get to the Super Bowl, in other words they are building a team for Shanahan next year. He will have his old RB and QB in place. everything else that Shanahan likes is already in Washington... include VINNY his boy. Lisa_R had that right.

Welcome Mr. Culter to Washington people. Snyder will have his franchise QB & Shanahan next yr. its all about ticket sales. if you can't win sale tickets at all cost. Redskins are recession proof, well at least that's what Snyder is making sure of by getting his guys. Ticket sales.

Posted by: Nigarachi | April 2, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm... one undersized, permanently double-teamed receiver, check... One fading running back, check... An offensive line made up of the cast from "Cocoon," check...

OK, let's trade away our only potential star (and a truly quality individual), along with desperately needed draft picks, for an overrated product of Denver's system to play the one position we don't need help with, while also making my hand-picked head coach look like a jackass after he publicly promised we wouldn't do it. Excellent move.

Just give me ten minutes in Snyder. Alone.

Posted by: RIP-21 | April 2, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I swear..... I am ashamed to be a redskins fan if this happens...They will be throwing JC under the bus.. The guy HAS NOT played bad.. He just never been in the same system twice... The man has the ARM, SIZE and athelitsim to be a superstar... Let the man have ONE MORE YEAR!!!!!!! DRAFT A RT so he isnt on his BACK ALL YEAR!

Posted by: cocodc1 | April 2, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

dcnative17:

"If we had a better offensive line and he had more time to throw, he'd be better."
You actually do not agree with that point? Seriously?

Your argument is looking for a point. Cassel and Big Ben got sacked more because they're immobile and hold the ball -- so what? Are you suggesting the Pats and Steelers are otherwise equal to the Skins offense? And do you actually think it makes no difference whether or not a QB is in an offense for more than a year? More importantly, how often do you smoke crack?

Posted by: RIP-21 | April 2, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

NOTE TO DAN SNYDER:

YOUR HANDLING OF THIS TEAM HAS BECOME AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!

RATHER THAN THE ANTICIPATION OF A TEAM IMPROVING ON IT'S PREVIOUS YEAR (WITH THE SAME PERSONNEL INTACT - A NOVEL IDEA!), THIS LIFELONG REDKSINS FAN OF 40+ YEARS NOW WONDERS WHAT DUMB MOVE WE'LL MAKE NEXT.

SERIOUSLY, I USED TO LOOK FORWARD TO THE SEASON.

WHAT'S NEXT BIG DAN?!!!

Posted by: cfrazier91 | April 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

how do i begin after reading this article. let me first start off by saying that i have been a Redskins fan for as long as i remember. living in South Jersey i have dealt with constant ridicule because this is Eagles country. yet i have always stuck up for my team. ever since Snyder has purchased this team things have changed and they no longer resemble anything close to what they were in the late 80's early 90's. being the fan that i am i had my name on the season ticket waiting list forever. imagine my surprise when my number was finally called late last year and my girlfriend plunked down money for 4 season tickets beginning this year. what i am trying to translate is that i am one of many who have waited and waited for Snyder to do something that even resembled putting a solid team together and allowing it to build and become one. instead what we get is a man who constantly changes the team to what he thinks can win now. that isn't going to happen. now i wake up and read this mess about them "really" going after Cutler even after stating last week that they weren't. realize now that the reason Cutler is on the marking is because he got pissed the Broncos were going after Cassell. now the same thing is happening here. what is Jason Campbell supposed to think now. we are going to have a problem if they aren't able to acquire Cutler and then turn back to Campbell. i for one believe in Campbell and attribute the problems the Skins offense has had to new play systems and a bad OL. unfortunately when things go wrong the QB is the first to be blamed. sorry folks, i don't see that as the case here. i read post after post about people putting Campbell down about his play but believe me, it isn't his fault. if this happens i will look at this team differently until Snyder sells it to someone who really knows how to run a team. i am completely disgusted even by the news of this possibly happening. leave the team alone and let them be a team.

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

JC17 is a total bust! Who ever picked him in the draft and decided to move up to get him should be taken out and shot even if he's in the HOF.

Posted by: gogmu012 | April 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I would love to have Cutler, but my only worry is if someone else gets him.. With all the talk on ESPN etc.. this has to put JC17 off, and possibly put us in the same situation as Denver (upset QB) with JC17 on the final year of his contract, he will surely want out after the end of the year which leaves us with no starting QB next year.. Better HOPE we get JC6 at this point!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse


The problem with Dan Snyder (as aided by that amateur, V. Cerrato) is that they don't respect and use their own draft picks. The ONLY way to build a championship caliber team is to USE YOUR DRAFT PICKS and make good selections during the NFL draft. DAN--STOP TRADING YOUR DRAFT PICKS EVERY YEAR!! Draft picks should be treated like a seriously precious commodity--not handed over in the first trade offer that comes along. If you have 6 draft picks each year--that's 6 new, young players that should make your team (if you did your homework well) and help you win games. This is where the core of your team should be built. Until Snyder and Cerrato figure that out, it's gonna be 8-8 records as far as they eye can see.

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | April 2, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You can't call JC17 a bust...not yet. The guy has had NO ROOM to grow since he got in the league. Playing behind decrepit Brunell, a new offensive system every year, an offensive line that became more of a liability then anything else, a new head coach, and an owner that seems intent on never giving him a shot, even though he traded 2 freaking draft picks for him. Snyder has turned this organization into a joke, and it's embarrassing.
Campbell played well last season. Not great....well. He's only getting better. However, he's getting the rug yanked out from under him yet again, and it's bs. The organization has been in flux since Snyder purchased it, and it seems as if that's what he thrives on. He'll never let the team grow and develop, and in return, they'll never be successful.

Posted by: ywill316 | April 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: moosepod | April 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

On the evening news:
Reporter: "Tragedy in Landover today as a 77 year old franchise was killed today with what police have identified as a checkbook. Police have yet to name a suspect, but have released a still shot from a surveillance video and he is believed to be owner Daniel Snyder. In addition, Maryland police have issued a statement that this may be the same man from a composite drawing issued the day that Six Flags was brutally bludgeoned and left for dead. Witnesses claim that he was not alone and point to Vincent Cerrato as a possible accomplice in the franchise death. Friends and neighbors close to the franchise state that it was in an abusive relationship for a little over ten years with Daniel Snyder. The franchise is survived by thousands of fans and three Lombardi trophies.”

Posted by: moosepod | April 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS.. THIS JUST IN The Redskins possession WR problem has been solved. Along with the upcoming signing of Jay Cutler the Redskins have also signed NFL league leading WR M.BALZ-ES-HARI.. On paper they are sure to run away with the NFC east!

Posted by: rlomax67 | April 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS.. THIS JUST IN The Redskins possession WR problem has been solved. Along with the upcoming signing of Jay Cutler the Redskins have also signed NFL league leading WR M.BALZ-ES-HARI.. He is an excellent route runner and althought he is low to the ground he can definitely fill the void they have been missing! On paper they are sure to run away with the NFC east!

Posted by: rlomax67 | April 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Instead of all you people complaining about Dan Snyder, you can easily force him to sell his share of the Redskins. Mr. Snyder’s 6 Flags enterprise will soon go into bankruptcy and the man will be hard pressed to keep the cash flow positive.

Knowing this, all that the Skins fans need to do is simply STOP purchasing any team merchandise and stop attending the team’s games. Let FedEx Field be empty for 8 games and see if the league does not force DS to sell his share of the franchise.

Of course the season ticket holders would take a beating, but the loss of parking, food and merchandise revenue would put a real dent into the cash flow of the franchise.

So instead of whining how much you hate the man, stay away from the games and stop buying the teams merchandise and you will see how fast Mr. Snyder becomes a former owner.

Posted by: HermanMunster1 | April 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."-Jason Campbell

May I add-unless you play for the Philadelphia Eagles. TEN YEARS of inept play from the QB, and TEN YEARS of inept playcalling, player selection, and overall inept coaching by the head coach. Yet, the owner and coach see no need for change at these critical positions. That, Mr. Campbell, is blind loyalty.

Posted by: slorck | April 4, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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