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Redskins Unrestricted: Taylor Trade (Update)

Afternoon practice update:

Rookie Kareem Moore, who underwent offseason knee surgery, was not participating in the afternoon session. Like several players coming off surgery, Moore is being closely monitored and he'll be evaluated after practice.

Jason Reid discusses the details of the trade for defensive end Jason Taylor:

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  July 21, 2008; 4:24 PM ET
 
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Posted by: First | July 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Dancing With Reality

As those of you who check in regularly already know, the Redskins rejected the Dolphins quickly and decisively when Miami called shopping DE Jason Taylor before the draft. He's the kind of player defensive coordinator Greg Blache has avoided - an aging big-name who has one eye (if not both eyes) on Hollywood and his next incarnation as The Rock/Brian Bosworth in front of the cameras. Based on everything I have heard from both inside and outside the organization this is not in the cards.

Yes, the Skins have a need an end, but unless the Dolphins decide to give the guy away, then it's no. And, according to league sources, the Fins have already denied an overture for a fourth round pick for Taylor from one NFL team and may in fact holdout for at least a pick in the first three rounds. Again, the Skins are not and have not been players here, and at that price it's a no-go.

The Redskins have already passed on a bevy of linemen in free agency and on the trade market, and, again, there are reservations among many in the organization about how focused and dedicated Taylor is to football given his turn as a ballroom dancer and his obvious flirtation with the lure of La-La Land. Taylor's overt rejection of reporting for Miami's mini camp and training camp runs counter to everything Blache stands for.

Washington has preached building through the draft above all else - that offer of two first round picks for Chad Johnson not withstanding - and by dealing a pick in the first three rounds you are trading an asset that should translate into a longtime starter for the right to rent a player like Taylor for a year or two. The Redskins have had no recent discussions with the Dolphins since rejecting Miami's initial approach about Taylor, sources said, and he is not someone they are planning to pursue.

As one NFL executive put it:

"Blache is not a guy who is infatuated with stats and sacks. There's a lot of other things you need to be able to do to play for him, and at this stage of his career can Jason Taylor give you those things for 65-70 snaps a game for 16 games? No, he can't, and he's a guy making $8 million a year.

"That's a team that says now that they are building through the draft and you have to take them at their word there, and after over-spending for so long that now they may be taking a different approach. You can't just build a team one way; there has to be a balance between the pro side and the college side and you can't be balanced if you're always giving away first-day picks. In the first three rounds, you've got to think of those guys as starters. I can't see too many teams offering those picks for Taylor. If I'm the Redskins I'm not making a move for the guy."


By Jason La Canfora | May 22, 2008; 10:23 PM ET

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

FIRST!

Posted by: etrod | July 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Not first :(

Posted by: etrod | July 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

talk about credibility

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

talk about credibility

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 3:54 PM

Sounds like Jasno talked to Blache ... and given how closely the EVP listened to Grilliams, I'm guessing that Blache was one of several voices considered ... but this is not a credibility issue for JLC, except to the extent he is being played to perpetuate intentional misstatements. That said, lots changed yesterday went Phillip Daniels went down, so the entire calculus changed. Clearly, the Skins would not have been interested in coughing up a second and a sixth round pick before yesterday.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say that coaches' choices have not been what has decided personnel moves over the past several seasons.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

theredskin,
Talk about Douchbagery...

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree it's a credibility issue. I think you've got the wrong guy targeted for a lack of it.

Notice most of that post is a bunch of Quotes. They failed to get depth and ignored good ol' Murphy's law. The circumstances changed and so did the opinion of the FO. He said Blache wasn't interested but that doesn't mean the FO wasn't.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"... and, again, there are reservations among many in the organization about how focused and dedicated Taylor is to football given his turn as a ballroom dancer and his obvious flirtation with the lure of La-La Land. Taylor's overt rejection of reporting for Miami's mini camp and training camp runs counter to everything Blache stands for."

Nothings changed on Taylors part since then...stop drinking the redskins kool-aid.

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Commenting on the last thread...

I have spent the better part of my adult life managing the media for some of the largest corporations in the world. What Jasno is talking about is pretty simple. You never, ever, ever lie to the press unless lives are in danger. Period. It is unethical and unprofessional.

Now, I understand that most folks posting here have never talked to the media or have never been a spokesperson, so it's a little difficult to understand the written and unwritten rules of doing so. If you don't want to answer a question, you simply bridge back to your talking points and provide a non-answer answer: "From the moment last season ended, we have been exploring all avenues for improving our team, and will continue to do so."

Obviously, we only have Jasno's side of the story. I'm just stating the basic fact that there are only one or two exceptional circumstances under which misleading the media is acceptable.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Nothings changed on Taylors part since then...stop drinking the redskins kool-aid.

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 4:04 PM

I don't get it? What do you mean by that. You are saying that JLa pulled that opinion out his arse and all along Blache and the FO were dying to get the guy?

What is your point exactly? Do you have one?

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Nothings changed on Taylors part since then...stop drinking the redskins kool-aid.

Posted by: theredskin | July 21, 2008 4:04 PM

If trading for JT is a bad move, what's the preferred course of action?

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

What is your point exactly? Do you have one?

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:08 PM

I think his point is to say that the trade was a bad one. The skins had very little positive to say about Taylor just a couple months ago, yet now we all revel in the newly acquired talent. He's basically saying that all is not as it seems. I don't think it had to do with JLC.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

P,
I have talked to the press a bit in my life. I agree its a good policy not to lie to the press, there is an exception though.

If the press, lies about what you said or purposely misquote you, than its okay to f**k that reporter proportionally to what they did. But you cant hold what one guy said against another.

That only happened to a group I worked for, and it was a small up and coming reporter who was trying to "make a name" by causing controversy and play political games, telling one side what the other side is saying behind the scenes, which a reporter should not do, get involved in inside politics.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If trading for JT is a bad move, what's the preferred course of action?

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:12 PM

Drafting a DE in the draft instead of 3 pass catchers of which 2 will sit most of the year on the bench rotting.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all. | July 21, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Just devil's advocate (probably not the appropriate metaphor here) -- there are worse things in the world than being a bad liar.

Such as being a good liar.

If this latest incident causes anyone to disbelieve Vinny in the future, I would just ask what took you so long.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

For what is it worth, Vinny said this morning on Mike and Mike that he discussed the Jason Taylor trade with Blache and the other coaches and with several veteran players before making the trade.

We had 2 (count em!) DEs go down for the season yesterday. What was felt and quoted in May suddenly changed directions - something had to be done.

Posted by: Lisa | July 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I was shocked they didn't draft DL too.

If they had traded for JT a few months ago, right after the draft, I'd be sick.

But under the circumstances...I don't think there are many options.

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with "just sayzin is all"

If you consider that we gave up a second round draft pick and a 6th for a legitimate DE...then I can't knock VC.

If you take a look at Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson last season...they didn't do anything. And they are first rounders...in fact top 6's.

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's an SI repost from the Daniels Speaks Thread, which JLC refers too in his last.

On the Trade.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/20/mmqb/?cnn=yes


I am very bullish on this Jason Taylor trade, Miami dealing the unhappy defensive end to Washington for a 2009 second-round pick and a 2010 sixth. It's a better trade for Washington than Miami, but a good recovery-deal for Bill Parcells and the Dolphins.

The amazing thing is, while you were having Sunday brunch, the two sides hadn't even started discussing it yet.

This trade happened, from idea-germination to finish, in five hours and 45 minutes. From Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato's first phone call to Parcells to getting the deal done took three hours and 10 minutes. That's how long it took for the 2006 Defensive Player of the Year and a guy we'll debate for the Hall of Fame someday to go from miserable on a bad team to hopeful on a playoff team.

Only in Washington. Only with Dan Snyder.

Now, I'd heard some interesting rumors in recent weeks about Taylor. I'd heard a good one last week about a three-way deal between the Giants, Dolphins and Saints, with Taylor going to the Giants to replace Michael Strahan at left end, Jeremy Shockey going to New Orleans to give Sean Payton the tight-end weapon he so desperately wants, and second- and fifth-round picks going from New Orleans to Miami. I don't think there was any meat to that, though it made an awful lot of sense for all three teams. [I still think, by the way, that the Shockey story is not over. If he's a turd at training camp, or a no-show, I still think there's a chance the Giants rekindle things with New Orleans.]

I have to hand it to Snyder and Cerrato. This was a very good trade for them. I've been hard on them, and rightfully so, for some of the dumb trades and free-agent signings (do we have to relive them?) of the past six or seven years. But this offseason was a smart time for Washington, because it was a time to get its financial house in order, not a time to go crazy over some barely above-average wide receiver......

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 2:44 PM

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I always am surprised on how the draft goes every year. But I trust in the team to do what they think is best.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with "just sayzin is all"

If you consider that we gave up a second round draft pick and a 6th for a legitimate DE...then I can't knock VC.

If you take a look at Gaines Adams and Jamaal Anderson last season...they didn't do anything. And they are first rounders...in fact top 6's.

Posted by: Richmond Redskin | July 21, 2008 4:23 PM

Actually Gaines Adams had one more sack than JT had in his rookie year. I understand your point but i'd rather have Adams at this point.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Always take the high road, no matter what others around you are doing. Acting petty to specific reporters is a losing proposition.

Of course, the 'Skins have long been a low-road operation (the plasma TV incident, the LaVar incident, the vanilla ice cream incident, and on and on).

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

What's the vanilla ice cream incident?

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Dish it out PDiddy.

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear in the video where Jason Reid is spewing the same crap as Jasno about the Skins denying they were in discussions with Miami about JT?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

anon at 4:34, its not crap ... its accurate.

It is one thing to misdirect ... its another thing to intentionally and knowingly make an affirmative false statement.

"We haven't talked to anyone yet on anything" is exactly the same (other than the words) as looking directly into the camera and saying "I did not have social intercourse with that man, Mr. Parcells."

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/daniel-snyder-does-not-like-vanilla-ice-cream-so-says-mike-nolan/

I was reminded to share it. I'm finishing up John Feinstein's book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.

Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were "too vanilla." Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan's desk with a note that said, "This is what I like. Not vanilla."

Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: "Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it."

"The first time it was actually kind of funny," Nolan said. "I didn't mind it at all."

The next time wasn't as funny.

The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: "I wasn't joking. I do not like vanilla."

Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don't have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

To get us back to fubball

Who makes the team? Ages at the END of 2008 inculded.

DE Alex Buzbee, IR, 23
DE Andre Carter, RE starter, 29
DE Phillip Daniels, IR, 35
DE Demetric Evans, next in line, 29
DE Kevin Huntley, cut soon, 26
DE Rob Jackson, might actually make it, 23
DE Erasmus James, PUP, 26
DE Chris Wilson, in rotation, 26
DT Lorenzo Alexander, always a place for, him, 25
DT Matthias Askew, cut soon, 26
DT Ryan Boshcetti, stuck around this long, 27
DT Kedric Golston, next in line, 25
DT Cornelius Griffin, starter, 32
DT J.T. Mapu, cut soon, age unknown
DT Anthony Montgomery, strter, 24
DE Jason Taylor, LE, 34

There you go, a bunch of YOUNG guys except for the starters but one starter just got a year and half younger and has virtually no injury history despite always being labled a small end, he has been a solid end in both pass rushing and run stopping. Moving to the left shouldn't be difficult with M. Washington behind him but might when Mac is back there but something that should concern us little compared to s vastly improved pass rush.

Demetric Evans can play more in the one or two games where some team actually has the balls to game plan 'attack Jason Taylor's ability to stop the run.' Sheesh does anyone actually follow NFL and not just Redskins?

STOP the D-line is OLD myth too. Two starters over 30 is not old. STOP THE DEFENSE IS FINISHED after this year bs too.

Here is your playoff bound starting defense:
LE, Jason Taylor, 34
LG, Cornelius Griffin, 32
RG, Anthony Montgomery, 24
RE, Andre Carter, 29
WLB, Roger MacIntosh, 26
MLB, London Fletch, 33
SLB, Marcus Washington, 31
LCB, Shawn Springs, 33
SS, LaRon Landry, 24
FS, Reed Doughty, 26
RCB, Carlos Rogers, 27

There you go, five guys fans, five guys over 30 and five guys under 27 - just about the right mix. The oldest guy is 16 months younger than the guy replaced - his name is Jason Taylor expect him to contribute.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If Cerrtato had told Jasno that they were in discussions with Miami, we would be b*tching about the 1st rounder we gave up this year and the 4th rounder next year. Leaking corporate information is bad for business.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I like my sandwich.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, the only ice cream incident I remember up here was someone raving about how the Ravens have a freezer stocked with ice cream at their practice facility for the press corps.

A little hunting and... aha, here it is, "Ice Cream Is For Media Only."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/09/ravens_vs_redskins.html

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I take the highroad as much as possible, but if a reporter is playing dirty and there are rules they are supposed to follow too, then things change. I think first offenses = a complaint to there editor, usually I say let the paper keep there own house in order. What happened that time was a special case.

Reporters should never try and be political operatives.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks RC. That Danny, he's all class.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Nate, look at my post above...

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

freak,
I like your sandwich too!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh right, Redcoat, that ice cream story.

Thanks to that plus freakzilla's post, now I want an ice cream sandwich.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I speak to the media as well. When it comes to dirty politics, I have never lied while I was on or off Monica...err I mean camera.

Posted by: Bill Clinton | July 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's a dueche....whateves....Vinny is slimy...whateves...these aren't news flashes....

Oh and Mike Nolan did suck that year by the way, I couldn't wait for him to be canned....

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Cool Skinz! They even have the 'Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch'!!

As I said on the other thread, the problem your front office has is that Vinny wants to be part of the story. If he had any sense, he'd shut up and stay in the background. He'd be 10x more effective that way. BTW in the 'vanilla' story, I wonder who it was who taught Snyder that phrase and then kept using it about Nolan's schemes....?

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

How much does it cost to send 31 flavors to San Fran?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

nate, i too am ashamed that i didn't rember the vanilla ice cream incident.

diddy, did you get it yet? i just ordered mine today. i gave up going to apple stores twice a week.

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Reporters should never try and be political operatives.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 4:38 PM


Don't tell that to the Washington press corps.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

In my book, the owner, GM, anybody on the team doesn't OWE anything to the media. If leaking info can be potentially detrimental to completinmg a deal, then lie all you want. Most practices during the season are closed to the public/media.....why do you think that is? Because if a reporter saw them installing a new play, he/she would be by law, free to talk about it to anyone they wanted. It looks like the fact that Vinny lied served a purpose, and to that end, the deal was done and it would seem (IMO) that they got a good deal on Taylor. Boo frikin hoo if we didn't find out about it until it was a done deal. Lie away Vinny!

Posted by: dlhaze | July 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Lot's of good thoughts here on both sides of this, but at some point everyone should rally around the notion that speculating over what didn't happen in the draft 3 months ago almost as productive as complaining about people in positions of authority not being honest with the press.

Really? That's a new one. Silly me...I thought all along that ferreting out the truth was part of the job description for media personnel. I really missed the boat on the whole career thing by not pursuing a job where every question is answered truthfully by everyone asked. What a wonderful eutopia that must be!

...we now return to our regularly scheduled, neurotic hand-wringing and second-guessing...

Posted by: Socal_Skinsfan | July 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

semi football related, the courts slam FCC, say who cares about janet jackson's boob?

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/07/21/court-tosses-out-fine-for-wardrobe-malfunction-slams-fcc/

Posted by: chris LArry | July 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Six Flags stock is 79 cents. inVentiv Health stock is $24.05. Buy my products.

Posted by: Mr. Daniel Snyder to you | July 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

cl, i hated nolan and still do. i can't believe he's still an HC. but c'mon you gotta have a bit more class than that being a billionaire et all...

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

short both stocks. i guarandamntee you'll make money

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone who wants to talk football? 10 minutes, I've been summoned to bed as it's approaching 4:00 am!

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

why do class and riches have to go hand in hand? being rich doesn't make someone classy, i.e. numerous rock stars, actors, porn stars, athletes, etc.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

ben,
do they use footballs in the sex shows in bangkok?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

STOP the D-line is OLD myth too. Two starters over 30 is not old. STOP THE DEFENSE IS FINISHED after this year bs too.

Here is your playoff bound starting defense:
LE, Jason Taylor, 34
LG, Cornelius Griffin, 32
RG, Anthony Montgomery, 24
RE, Andre Carter, 29
WLB, Roger MacIntosh, 26
MLB, London Fletch, 33
SLB, Marcus Washington, 31
LCB, Shawn Springs, 33
SS, LaRon Landry, 24
FS, Reed Doughty, 26
RCB, Carlos Rogers, 27

There you go, five guys fans, five guys over 30 and five guys under 27 - just about the right mix. The oldest guy is 16 months younger than the guy replaced - his name is Jason Taylor expect him to contribute.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 4:37 PM

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, agreed, I just dont care at this point...whateves he's a jerk, its been established.

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

No, but just about anything else.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

One of the classiest people I've ever met was a porn star. True story. Money and class have no correlation. Most of the billionaires I know are world-class SJKholes.

dealer, I have my iPhone. I love it. The App Store is the best part. Download Trism...best, most addictive game since Tetris.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

but c'mon you gotta have a bit more class than that being a billionaire et all...

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:48 PM

You obviously don't know many rich people

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

who was that p diddy?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

damn diddy which one. Please say Isabella Soprano!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

yeah...but this isn't exactly a porn industry...and i don't think you'd see stephen spielberg or copola or any other bitime successful directors being so unprofessional towards their employees(actors).

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

any more news about the posts earlier today referring to John Clayton saying that the Skins were still looking for additional defensive line help? or was vinny just lying to espn too?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The inimitable Casey Parker. I had no idea where I knew her from when I met her, and then she explained it to me and I was embarrassed as heck. She was very gracious and helped smooth over what would have been a rough situation with the folks who were with me.

It did teach me the golden rule of Las Vegas: never ask a stranger, "Where do I know you from?"

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

no, i have never met a billionaire.

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I've got class.

Posted by: Peter North | July 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

was that a slam towards Danny's Hollywood interests or his football operations?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

My phone lust centers only around those phones that can post comments on blogs.

Ben, they may not use footballs, but I bet they use cell phones.

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

From what I hear, Spielberg is an absolute prince of a man on set. I "met" him once (at the gala opening of the Disney Hall in LA), but was too speechless to get out a word edgewise. He looked at me like I was from Mars. To this day, he's the only celebrity I've ever met that caused me to be at a loss for words.

Just because there's no correlation between money and class, it doesn't mean that people with money can't have class.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

i've got cl's a$$

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

diddy, sorry don't do tetris but i got holdem. the best holdem game ever. ohh and check out tap tap if you like guitar hero

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If trading for JT is a bad move, what's the preferred course of action?

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 4:12 PM

Drafting a DE in the draft instead of 3 pass catchers of which 2 will sit most of the year on the bench rotting.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all. | July 21, 2008 4:15 PM


Well since that didn't happen and I'm pretty sure you didn't invent a time machine, how about a real answer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, iPhone works great for commenting up here. Sadly, Safari on iPhone crashes constantly on Facebook. It drives me bananas.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

scamp,
i thot u had a plane to catch and a new little wife to take care of...quit posting and take care of business.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, AAPL profits up 30%. Impressive.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Could someone kindly summarize the points of the video? Blocked at work. Thanks.

Posted by: Ben | July 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

cL, you do know she's a lesbian right? i don't get men's obsession with lesbians. bi's i get but not lesbians. it's a waste of time and can be very painful.

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Just devil's advocate (probably not the appropriate metaphor here) -- there are worse things in the world than being a bad liar.

Such as being a good liar.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 21, 2008 4:17 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm a great liar.

Posted by: George W. Bush | July 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

i met steve jobs once. he had a lot of cash, err i mean class.

Posted by: not really p diddy | July 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

It's always going to be sour grapes with you boy (Jasno), until you get right with Jesus.

Posted by: Puscifer | July 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

casey parker is a lesbian?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

scamp,
i thot u had a plane to catch and a new little wife to take care of...quit posting and take care of business.

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:03 PM

on a layover, had to check in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

honestly Ben, no new insight....

Anyone else watching the Official Redskins Blog today...wow is it a failure!

Dude has all the access in the world and he posts a media is mean to skins/WaPo bash. Not a good thing to establish your voice.

AND he hasn't posted in like 4 hours..

wHAT A JOKE!

http://theredskinsblog.com

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

it's redskins season...the honeymoon hasn't even started and its over.

Posted by: wife of scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Please don't lie to me. I cry big fat baby tears. Then my glasses fog up and I fall down.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | July 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The regulars, cL aside, couldn't wait to get over to this Reid thread where Jasno's emotional immaturity wasn't being questioned.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"These are not the best jalapeño peppers I've ever had."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

Isabella Soprano a lesbian, not if you pay the right price at the Bunny Ranch.......or on video...

Whateves, she is hot!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

My wife is a huge skins fan too. She wants to know what's up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Just read the Les Carpenter piece on Zorn.

Jasno, it bust suck to not be able to do your job when tht bug-eyed freak will talk to Les and not you.

I like this part:

"I think the answer that impressed me the most was when we asked him how he was going to use the extra minicamp this year," Cerrato says, referring to the additional minicamp granted to teams with new head coaches. "He said, 'I'm not going to use it because we have the early preseason [Hall of Fame] game and a longer training camp. I'm not going to have as many [organized team activities] either.'

"It just kind of shocked me that he had thought that far ahead," Cerrato said. "Especially because he had just found out about the interview earlier in the day. It said he had been thinking about this for a long time."

The next afternoon, they offered him the job.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

anyone ever been to the bunny ranch? how much does it cost?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

anon at 5:13, you must not have been reading very long... I think every one of the "regulars" has criticized the beat reporter at some time or another. And rightly so.

I find Jasno's rants about the longstanding beef with the front office to be tiresome, though I tend to agree with the spirit behind them. Clearly he has an axe to grind. But so what? It's his freakin' blog, so it's his prerogative to do with it what he wants, just as it's my prerogative to read or go elsewhere.

Speaking of which, dude, pick a handle and start posting! Whatever you say takes on a little extra oomph when you have your own nickname up here. Don't be afraid to take that big step into being a "regular." Come over to the dark side...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

BKBen, maybe ... because we know that Mr. Cerrato would never bend historical information for any particular or non-specific purpose.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

cL, dude...even if. what's the point...it'll be like...ermmmmm...like.........

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Lie away Vinny!"

great bumper sticker idea! a lil bit snappier than "I'm a dope and trust completely those in control!"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

That guy at 5:19pm also meant to remind you that the handle "Nate in the PDX" had already been taken ... repeatedly.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

anyone ever been to the bunny ranch? how much does it cost?

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:18 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

As the owner of the Moonlite BunnyRanch I can tell you this, if you have to ask how much it costs, it costs too much.

Posted by: Dennis Hof | July 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

... emotional immaturity ...

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:13 PM

I'm smelling an Awards Committee meeting about the irony category.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

Its been awhile since I have not any idea what you just said, sweet!

And whateves I married, its all just frustrating....so i look....their preference really doesnt enter in!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Some great one-liners from you as always. Off to bed I've got soccer practice in less than four hours and missed all the fubbal talk. Should expect some when I'm off-line. Jibba-jabba away hamsters.

NO Injuries. NO Injuries. I'll keep saying this 'til I'm asleep and stumped although I don't have first hand knowledge, I'm sure cell-phones have been 'swallowed' by female genitlia in Bangkok sex shows - sorry jack's kids - not that all talk about porn stars didn't offend someone already but what the hell it is RED-skin insider. Please don't get let y'all move the comversation to name change! For the love of God don't do it!

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hof,

not true...i've been to your website and it states "afforadble rates for every budget." what can i get for $1.99?

seriosuly, anyone else know or can point me to another website that deals with the topic of prices out in reno?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Cheers Ben!
Sleep is over-rated.

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sleep well, BKBen, and dream of double digit sack totals by each of the the Skins D-linemen this season ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hof,

not true...i've been to your website and it states "afforadble rates for every budget." what can i get for $1.99?

seriosuly, anyone else know or can point me to another website that deals with the topic of prices out in reno?

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:28 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you would dig a little farther on our website you'd find this....

"There are no set prices. Each girl is an independent contractor and therefore establishes her own services and pricing. Legally, we cannot quote prices, but all the prices are reasonable and negotiable. The ladies work with all budgets. If it weren't affordable we wouldn't have been here for over 50 years."

Posted by: Dennis Hof | July 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr Hof,

I did see that. Was just looking for some other blogs that could provide info as to what to expect for what amount. Want to make sure I bring enough cash.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Before I return to the homefront, I pause to remember that the Skins just added a former NFL Defensive Player of the Year, who made Romo wince and grimace on a sack, sacked Eli onto his back, intercepted Brady and returned it for a touchdown, and sometimes lines up in the red zone as a receiver ... and he is 6'6" and 255 pounds ... and he is a year and a half younger than the guy he replaced. And its only been Day Two of camp.

[I am also thankful that I don't have to watch Shockey for two games this season.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Brothel dude- This was on the wire earlier. Looks like "things" are on "sale".

[RI PEEPS...BEWARE OF SCANTILY CLAD WOMEN IF YOU CLICK THIS LINK AT WORK.]

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzbroth0701,0,1105884.story

Posted by: 4-12 | July 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr Hof,

I did see that. Was just looking for some other blogs that could provide info as to what to expect for what amount. Want to make sure I bring enough cash.

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:39 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

We have our own ATM machine on-site. We also accept Visa and Mastercard, along with Debit Cards. All billed as "Cash Advance, Lake Tahoe".

Posted by: Dennis Hof | July 21, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone show up for practice today and have some insider info to share?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse


Let me "Glass Half Empty" up your Defense for you...

"Here is your playoff bound starting defense:
LE, Jason Taylor, 34 HEADED FOR HOLLYWOOD
LG, Cornelius Griffin, 32 OFT-INJURED, AN OLD 32
RG, Anthony Montgomery, 24 ON THE RISE
RE, Andre Carter, 29 252 POUNDS OF PASS RUSHING POWER
WLB, Roger MacIntosh, 26 OFT-INJURED, KNEES ARE 65
MLB, London Fletch, 33 CLASS ACT. STAY HEALTHY BABY
SLB, Marcus Washington, 31 GOT DINGED ALOT LATELY
LCB, Shawn Springs, 33 OFT INJURED. ALMOST RETIRED THIS YEAR
SS, LaRon Landry, 24 PRO BOWL BOUND
FS, Reed Doughty, 26 VASTLY IMPROVED
RCB, Carlos Rogers, 27 COMING OFF MAJOR KNEE SURGERY

Posted by: CORKCZAR | July 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

....their preference really doesnt enter in!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 5:24 PM

Apparently not!

Posted by: 4-12 | July 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

So... the Bunny Ranch, uh, pricing conversation up here weirds me out a little bit, but then I remember it's legal, so have fun, kids!

So we're waiting breathlessly for an update on Jason Taylor's introductory presser?

Anything on how the actual practice went today, the on-the-field stuff? Anyone?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

+++nyone ever been to the bunny ranch? how much does it cost?

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 5:18 PM+++

If you have to ask....

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Brothel dude- This was on the wire earlier. Looks like "things" are on "sale".

[RI PEEPS...BEWARE OF SCANTILY CLAD WOMEN IF YOU CLICK THIS LINK AT WORK.]

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzbroth0701,0,1105884.story

Posted by: 4-12 | July 21, 2008 5:42 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

No worries, You can fly into Reno-Tahoe International Airport and can call "The Ranch" to arrange for for transportation. We have Sedan, Limo and Excursions available. You can also fly your own private plane in to Carson City, Nevada. Or if you choose, "The Ranch" has a special landing pad in front just for helicopter uses.

Posted by: Dennis Hof | July 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

sorry mr no TV! Watch the HBO show, its very wholesome....

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

J-Tay presser up shortly. I'll do some live blogging....too bad Ben is turning in.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

SOME POSITIVE NOTES ABOUT TAYLOR

He will help Jansen, Heyer, Rinehart etc. improve at ORT in practice.

If Demetric Evans comes through, Taylor can work at LB on occasion on Carter's side. Blocking those two on the same side is scary.

On passing downs put chris Wilson ont h field too. Carter, Wilson, Taylor? Will NOT have to blitz.

If the redskins lose, they can tell their opponents, "Yeah, but we'd kick your a$$ in salsa dancing!"

Nota convert..but offering the Olive Branch. We all are Redskin fans.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I read "Olive Branch" and thought "Olive Garden", and now I'm hungry. :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

well i had a tv until it was ruined by tear gas the other evening....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Right, PDiddy, Maroon and Black. And Yellow.

And lots of references to the Redskins Football Club, if memory serves...

...but the memory is a little shaky after everyone agreed to start drikning everytime Zorn mentioned any of the words listed above. Your suggestion...if memory serves!

Posted by: Socal_Skinsfan | July 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

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