Unrestricted and Unexpurgated

Nearly every morning this season, Jason Reid has grabbed a cup of coffee, carefully chosen his wardrobe and artfully applied his makeup, then headed to his state-of-the-art studio to do an Unrestricted video. You watch it, you think he's the Lou Rawls of sports journalism: smooth, relaxed, one-take Jason.

Yeah. Right. Noted nutball Our gifted senior video editor Jonathan Forsythe hit the rewind button and, after hours of diligence, came up with proof that Reid isn't exactly the Mayor of Slick City after all.

(Added bonus: I can cross "Use 'unexpurgated' in a headline" off my 25-things-to-do-before-I-die list. Yippee.)

By Cindy Boren  |  December 30, 2008; 10:00 AM ET
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Comments

"Lou Rawls of sports journalism"

Great line Cindy, that is why you are a Pro!

Who will join me in a Hip Hip Hooray for Cindy?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

from the previous post, I'd bring buges back, but he's gotta quit with the loyalty to players who suck. He's gotta spend the offseason teaching Rhino, and Heyer the nuances of the game, get them ready to step into the lineup from day 1.

He's also gotta convince Jansen to retire...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I blush. A big mwah to you and little AmeLia, chRis LarRy!

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Hip Hip Hooray Cindy

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Morocco Brown for GM in 2010

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Morocco Brown for GM in 2010

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 10:16 AM |

How about 2009?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Morocco Brown for GM in 2009!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

hhhfc
or
triple h fc

Posted by: connskins | December 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

HIP HIP!

Can we have a contest about where JRdoes the video from? I think its a players place by Ashburn.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Ted Leonsis for Owner in 2010

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I'm still not sold on Heyer but he is way better then Jansen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 9:29 AM

Why? He did well in our playoff push last year. And he won the starting job this year and no one was complaining.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Trade 2009 & 2010 first rounders for Detroit's #1 and draft Matthew Stafford.

Draft Knowshon Moreno with 2008 #13 overall.

Draft Brannun Sutherland (FB, UGA) with the 5th round selection.

Trade 2008 3rd rounder & 2009 2nd rounder for 2008 2nd rounder and draft Mohammod Massaquoi (WR, UGA).

Keep defense as is.

Win Superbowl in 2011, 2012, and 2015.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Flounder. Want proof that you guys rule? You're closing in on 300,000 comments: 297,572.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

fred,

I've heard nothing but great things about Brown...would be great if he ended up being a hidden gem within the org to eventually supplant cerrato.

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Yes, forever, he had a great reputation when he came here. The big question is, how much decision-making will he be given?

Posted by: frediefritz | December 30, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Airing of grievances :

Cindy, for never answering my UGA questions in her chats.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I know we all think Jansen should retire, and believe me I agree. But has anyone thought that he too is coming off major injuries and a another off-season working to regain his form might actually benefit this O-Line. He is a fighter and I have to believe he doesn't want to go out feeling like he was each opponents bi$&^h for 4 quarters.

With only four picks -- Thank you very much Cerrato for that genious of a move trading 2 picks for a dancing NFS geriatric hollywood wannabe -- that may be our only hope for a solid O and D Line.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Sure, Alex. Let's have a contest about the Mayor's supersecret studio location!

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

probably not enough to make a difference...vinny's fingerprints will be over this team as he calls the shots regardless of the intelligent input Brown & others provide

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Brown for GM in 08 :) still have a day we can do it!

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Truth. I can give you Mark Schlabach's home phone number ...

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Melissa Berry, a 24-year-old rookie linebacker with the Tampa Breeze franchise of the Lingerie Football League, is seeking $15,000 in unspecified damages from her ex-boyfriend Mark Dawson, a 45-year-old safe dating expert, whom she dated earlier this fall.

According to Berry’s lawsuit against Dawson, she took nude photographs of herself with his cell phone. Another photo of her engaged in a “particularly private, intimate sexual act,” was also allegedly taken without her permission, the Tampa Tribune said."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473528,00.html


and we thought Portis was bad!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Well the Chili Cook-off from the league never was resolved was it?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Devo - Yes that is what I have been wanting to believe in the last 2-3 years.

But, he has been IR'd 2 of the last 5 years and has seemed to lost a step. He is saying he is 100%, so those injuries may have affested him.

I say go with the best player, and that looks like Heyer based on watching the games.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Nino Brown for GM in 2009!

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

How does this league exist and ESPN is not dedicating a network to it already!!

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood , you stated earlier that Punt returner wouldn't even be in the top 10 things to address this offseason...

I submit to you this....

If (and when) this offense continues to struggle, every yard will count. If you have a chance to get 10 yds a punt return, that equals 1 less 1st down you have to make onoffense. With this crew , that is MAJOR!!! If you can put the ball back against the other teams goal line on a consistant basis, with our defense, that's huge. If we insist on playing 13-10 games every week, all of those ST's factors come into play.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

What about this.

2 of our wins are largely due to punt returns.
El's big one against the eagles to keep us controlling field position
Mosses against Detroit.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"Melissa Berry, a 24-year-old rookie linebacker with the Tampa Breeze franchise of the Lingerie Football League, is seeking $15,000 in unspecified damages from her ex-boyfriend Mark Dawson, a 45-year-old safe dating expert, whom she dated earlier this fall.

According to Berry’s lawsuit against Dawson, she took nude photographs of herself with his cell phone. Another photo of her engaged in a “particularly private, intimate sexual act,” was also allegedly taken without her permission, the Tampa Tribune said."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473528,00.html


and we thought Portis was bad!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 10:29 AM


Truth, is that your girlfriend?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If you have a chance to get 10 yds a punt return, that equals 1 less 1st down you have to make onoffense.

Posted by: cej75024

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We are #22 in the league in punt returning at 8.4 yards per return.

The #5 team in the league in punt returning is Carolina, and they average 10.8 yards per return.

2.4 yards will make no difference on the outcome of the season. Unless you somehow find the next Devin Hester or Dante Hall (which are about as rare as finding the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady), this team would be wasting its energy on finding someone new. Plug someone else already on the roster back there, that's fine, but in no way, shape, or form should they be spending any extra money or draft picks purely for a return man.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree no draft picks but we will probably need to get a new WR this year (so why not look at them for PR too).

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Nevermind, Truth - just clicked on the link and she's way too bad for a peon like you.

I asked because it sounds like something that definitely would happen to you, only you'd be the "thrid" party (The creepee, instead of the creeper)

Anyone doing anything extravagant for New Year's?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The average for El was 6.5, the only reason the teams average was higher was because of Moss.

But I agree put someone on the roster back there and let them do it, if they can't put someone else back there. We have someone on the current roster that can return punts better then El. No on Moss doing it fulltime. Sh!t I could just take a step forward and dive and get 6.5 yards everytime.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Don't be jealous, Red.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

HIP HIP!

Can we have a contest about where JRdoes the video from? I think its a players place by Ashburn.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I think it is in a sink-hole in Afghanistan. We had to pull Suddam out of one in Iraq.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

t1, that's hillarious. but what does portis have to do with anything?

cindy, yes hip hip hoorray for you. i'm still wondering if i missed john feinstein's column or it wasn't featured along with wise and boswell's on the front page of wapo online. if it wasn't it should have. junior still kicks a$$. don't know who made that decision. and when i'm in there i'm going to make sure every anti-vinny story gets featured on the front page.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone doing anything extravagant for New Year's?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 10:51 AM |

I'm going to a party in West Virginia, instead of black tie mandatory, it will be Blue Jeans and Baseball cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

PSPS -- right on about PR. The most important thing is not to fumble or muff the punt. Redskins have done pretty well at that this year.

I cannot believe people are talking about trading CR. First off, he's a keeper because it will be very difficult to get better than CR. It's all about improving, yes. But only if you get better, i.e. it makes no sense to trade down at CB to improve somewhere else. It's a very high impact position.

Second off, trading is very difficult to do with the salary cap, since the signing bonus accelerates when the player's traded.

Heyer is pretty good and I think a starter. Playing on the line takes a lot of time learn teamwork. That's why Buges is so concerned about keeping a unit together, and why he is so partial to veterans. Even if a guy is beat, it takes longer to get to the QB than if the scheme breaks down and somebody comes free. It's about managing risk.

That said, Rhino and Heyer should be considered for first team right now. IMHO, they still need to draft O-line, and hope that last year's draft class pans out.

Maybe they could trade Cooley. Not a popular move, but if they think Davis is a player, would it be a good one?

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Cooley's contract would kill the cap if he is traded.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Doo Doo Brown for GM in '09!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I know we all think Jansen should retire, and believe me I agree. But has anyone thought that he too is coming off major injuries and a another off-season working to regain his form might actually benefit this O-Line. He is a fighter and I have to believe he doesn't want to go out feeling like he was each opponents bi$&^h for 4 quarters.

With only four picks -- Thank you very much Cerrato for that genious of a move trading 2 picksa dancing NFS geriatric hollywood wannabe -- that may be our only hope for a solid O and D Line.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 30, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse
I agree, Devo2. Remember, Ray Brown played competitively until he was 42. JJ has been a good RT in the past, and I think he is only 32. Aand he would be a big hit against the cap this year. I'm all for giving him another off-season to rehab and see what he can do.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The 'skins DON'T need any receivers, they shouldn't draft any or accquire any through free agency.

Thomas, Davis, and Kelly will all have one year to their credit. Unfortunately the 'skins were still playing for something (What, I don't know) at San Francisco, so Zorn squandered another opportunity to play the rookies and back-ups.

The stubborness and arrgonaace Zorn shows sometimes would make you think that he's been coaching for 20 years at the HC level.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Davis has NOTHING to give the evaluators and decision makers thoughts of trading Chris Cooley.

But with these f*@k boys running the joint you don't need logic, just a dollar and a dream.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

speaking of extravagant WTF is pdiddy?

let me pretend to be him for a sec:

i will be celebrating my new year's 30,000 feet in the air on a private embraer 145. we'll be taking off from sydney at 11 PM and hitting the new year around the globe in about 10 time zones. i'll be drinking perrier-jouet just in case you're wondering with cavear. ohh btw i'll be joined by scarlet johanson and kiera knightly in london. i just hope my assistant has my bags ready to go by noon today. i'm still in seattle and catching a ride with paul (allen) to sydney.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The stubborness and arrgonaace Zorn shows sometimes would make you think that he's been coaching for 20 years at the HC level.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 11:00 AM

Agreed that was a dumb move, just like the decision to leave ARE on punt returns all year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

who the f is pdiddy?

vincent chase?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

PDIDDY SOUNDS AWESOME

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Sh!t I could just take a step forward and dive and get 6.5 yards everytime.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

That's assuming you could catch each punt cleanly. And with a blogname like Flounder, I have to wonder about that. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | December 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

SanFran didn't just play rookies to try them out. They played all of their starters and tried to win the game.

That's what most coaches do in the NFL. They are judged by their current record and can't afford to have the next HC receive the fruits planted by said coach......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Agreed that was a dumb move, just like the decision to leave ARE on punt returns all year.

Posted by: Flounder21

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Technically he didn't do that. He did make an effort to put Moss back there during certain critical moments of games.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'll have what dealer's having.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Doo Doo Brown for GM in '09!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Chuck Brown for GM in 2009

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

SanFran didn't just play rookies to try them out. They played all of their starters and tried to win the game.

That's what most coaches do in the NFL. They are judged by their current record and can't afford to have the next HC receive the fruits planted by said coach......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 11:08 AM |

They should have played everybody, what good did it do to play the same starters that had just lost 4 out of 5 games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

PDiddy is not just simply a who.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The ARE acquisition kinda screws the Skins. He got a huge contract, 10 million guaranteed I believe. He has been sub par on PR as noted. He is a part time #3 WR at best. His contract more than likely keeps him from being cut or traded, so the Skins are stuck with a small, overpaid veteran on the roster. Why? Well, lets not go there, the past is the past (Gibbs/Saunders). So along with Moss, the 2 rookies who hopefully will step up next year, Thrash (who most hope is not on the roster next year), and ARE, they have no room (salary cap wise/roster space wise) to acquire a reasonably priced vet FA WR this offseason. This puts even more pressure on #11 and 12. Another reason this team needs to avoid high priced FA's this year, no matter what position they play. They need to stop this practice because they have proved to not chose FA's wisely, overpay them and most importantly create the perception among players/agents that you go to Washington DC to get paid, not to play hard. Until they change this perception, they need to stay away from high priced FA's (Albert Haynesworth included). They did this last year, hopefully they do it again this offseason and prove last year's lack of FA splurging wasnt due to lack of cap space.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | December 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I hope you all read fiensteins article about the skins. I probably missed where you all talked about it, but it is all there.

pretty much JLA's take as well... hmm

Posted by: Zeebs | December 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Most of us did Zeebs I think. well those of us that can read.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Sellers deserves his well earned Probowl honor as FB....any one think he could be a Brandon Jacobs type of feature back also?

Also...Sellers, you gave it 100% this season unlike many of your mates!

Posted by: redlotparty | December 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

There is just no reason at all that James Thrash should have caught a pass last Sunday.

Hell, I'd rather see Fred Davis line up at WR than James Thrash. No offense to Thrash.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Flound, this is why Zorn's job security was being questioned.

I think it's a little early to do think about replacing the guy, but I wouldn't care if they did fire him though.

I was listening to Czabe yesterday on the way home, and he said what most of us say up here on a daily basis:

(To paraphrase): You can get your emotions invloved over wins and losses, but where does it get you in the end? You can spend hours talking with your buddies about what moves need to be made to the team roster, who they should scout, etc....

But this is all for moot because NOTHING will change and EVERYTHING will stay the same as long as Vincent Cerrato is making personnel decisions with Daniel Snyder co-signing away...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Throwing pimptastic parties like PDiddy is not the most easiest thing in the world.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

+++We are #22 in the league in punt returning at 8.4 yards per return.

The #5 team in the league in punt returning is Carolina, and they average 10.8 yards per return.

2.4 yards will make no difference on the outcome of the season. Unless you somehow find the next Devin Hester or Dante Hall

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse+++++


psps... I agree with you(to quote Rick Pitino ) Devin Hester isn't walking in the door. I think I am at the point of trying something else. There is no explosiveness. It has become catch, 2 jab-steps forward, 360 spin and fall down. What we can agree on ( I think ) is not to go out and pick-up a guy JUST for returns. Give one of the Lost Boys a try, or some free agent CB or something. If all else fails, you can go back to ARE.

Granted, there were few muffs after the Saints game...but I feel like it is time for a change......hmmm..that sounds familiar??

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

1) Jansen can't really retire... the cap hit would be unforgiving.
2) I asked the question about Jansen's overall upside potential within the last couple of weeks... while there is clearly wear-and-tear, the mashed-up-ankle was one of the more gruesome injuries I recall seeing. The few times he had to run in space this year did not look good.
3) Watching Heyer and Fabini the last few weeks should dispel the notion that Bugel is playing favorites. Heyer might get there someday, but even though he is clearly more athletic than Jansen, he misses assignments too often, and gets pushed back when run blocking.

Posted by: daggar | December 30, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

ARE and Thrash are good natured team guys from what I can see of them. But they just aren't what this team needs. Devotion, commitment to the guys on your roster can only go but so far. When it comes to the point where they are hurting your team by tying up cap space, roster spots, not producing on the field and preventing the team from acquiring upgrades, you have to realize you kinda screwed yourself with paying huge $$$ for FA's. Now some of the people involved in acquiring ARE arent here anymore, but this FO needs to learn from past mistakes if its ever going to move forward. Thrash can be cut with little to no cap hit, but ARE is hurting this team, and not justs with his poor PR's.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | December 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So far I have the following candidates for GM in 2009.....

Morocco Brown
Nino Brown
Doo Doo Brown
Chuck Brown

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

anyone following the "debacled" that is going on down in Dallas??

Romo and TO are questioning the playcalling

Romo once again, gagged in December, then collapsed in the showers

Bradie James assaulted a guy questioning the teams heart

2 players allegedly got into a fight on the team plane

Jerry Jones threatened to take everyone "behind the woodshed"....

Good stuff.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

We are #22 in the league in punt returning at 8.4 yards per return.

The #5 team in the league in punt returning is Carolina, and they average 10.8 yards per return.

2.4 yards will make no difference on the outcome of the season. Unless you somehow find the next Devin Hester or Dante Hall (which are about as rare as finding the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady), this team would be wasting its energy on finding someone new. Plug someone else already on the roster back there, that's fine, but in no way, shape, or form should they be spending any extra money or draft picks purely for a return man.

Posted by: psps23 +++++

You obviuosly don't know much about punt returns. What do you think accounts for the 2+ yards more per return? You have to have some much longer returns to increase the average.
I don't think stats tell the whole story of Football though, but you used it to try to make a point.
Why should interceptions that bounce of the receiver count against the QB?


Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

wow, Greg, I'm missing all that

I swear nothing was sweeter than seeing them implode last Sunday.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

NFL should just kick Jerry out of the ownership. Forced sale of the team or possible removal from the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I like the word "pimptastic" and vow to use it often in 2009.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to a party in West Virginia, instead of black tie mandatory, it will be Blue Jeans and Baseball cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 10:55 AM

Don't forget the banjo and the extra extra wide tooth picks.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan

I think that is a great point. Stats never tell everything and I often wish the NFL would expand the stats more often.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV

was listening to Czabe yesterday on the way home, and he said what most of us say up here on a daily basis:

(To paraphrase): You can get your emotions invloved over wins and losses, but where does it get you in the end? You can spend hours talking with your buddies about what moves need to be made to the team roster, who they should scout, etc....

=============

While Czabe is all high and low about everything (he said on national radio after the first game of the year his lock of the week was the Saints beating Skins!!!)....I agree with him on there is nothing we can do as fans....I said after the Cowboys game while walking out...I'm detaching myself emotionally from this team.

Posted by: redlotparty | December 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I like the word "pimptastic" and vow to use it often in 2009.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

In your line of work I think you could use it in every other article.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

cindy, exhibit c ;) : i say wapo should re-run it friday or whenever vinny goes on the air again.

I hope you all read fiensteins article about the skins. I probably missed where you all talked about it, but it is all there. Posted by: Zeebs | December 30, 2008 11:13 AM

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

We are #22 in the league in punt returning at 8.4 yards per return.

The #5 team in the league in punt returning is Carolina, and they average 10.8 yards per return.

2.4 yards will make no difference on the outcome of the season. Unless you somehow find the next Devin Hester or Dante Hall (which are about as rare as finding the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady), this team would be wasting its energy on finding someone new. Plug someone else already on the roster back there, that's fine, but in no way, shape, or form should they be spending any extra money or draft picks purely for a return man.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 10:46 AM


Psps, the 2.5 yd difference is not just 2.5 yds on each return. what happens is that atlanta´s guy gets a solid 7 per, on the 50 returns he gets a year, he has 2 or 3 more long TD returns of say 50 yards. problem is not that randle el doesnt get a solid 6 yds per return, he does that every time and he never gives it up, it´s that we never get points of returns from him, and those are like Defensive TDs, not only are they 7 points but the momentum shift is huge

Posted by: DaFunBunch | December 30, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If I'm the Cowboys, I give Wade Phillips the home version of our game as a parting gift and hope Jason Garrett gets the Detroit gig. Then, I start eliminating players....

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Dont stop, get it, get it... doo doo brown!

Posted by: Zeebs | December 30, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

When someone starts talking about stats, I think of the guy that drowned in a puddle one foot deep.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Cindy let them keep everything the same, no changes at all. Remember we want them to keep sucking.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think stats tell the whole story of Football though, but you used it to try to make a point.
Why should interceptions that bounce of the receiver count against the QB?


Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Does it tell the whole story? No. But in the end, it all evens out. That's why it's called an "average".

It's pretty obvious you're the one that doesn't know much about punt returns. Creating negligible arguments about a 2-yard difference in punt return average being significant, while long-time, highly-regarded Special Teams coach Danny Smith believes otherwise.

So once again, unless you have Devin Hester back there scoring TDs at a high rate and forcing punters to punt the ball out of bounds, changing ARE out would be negligible.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I think you have to have Cleveland Brown from Family Guy, and "Downtown" Julie Brown. And to satisfy the LeRooney rule, gotta have Larry Brown of the Charlotte Bobcats.

Posted by: PatM1 | December 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Did someone say Charlotte Bobcats!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Psps, the 2.5 yd difference is not just 2.5 yds on each return. what happens is that atlanta´s guy gets a solid 7 per, on the 50 returns he gets a year, he has 2 or 3 more long TD returns of say 50 yards. problem is not that randle el doesnt get a solid 6 yds per return, he does that every time and he never gives it up, it´s that we never get points of returns from him, and those are like Defensive TDs, not only are they 7 points but the momentum shift is huge

Posted by: DaFunBunch

I agree with that. But when someone says:

"If you have a chance to get 10 yds a punt return, that equals 1 less 1st down you have to make onoffense."

...that is an incorrect assumption. Changing out ARE would do nothing to that end.

And once again, finding a punt returner who can take it to the house 3 times a year is a very rare thing. Only two teams in the league had that this year, and one of them was Reggie Bush - a no.2 overall draft pick, and a guy that only did it in certain situations as well (like Moss).

I'm perfectly fine with Randle El handling most of the duties, with Moss being back there for certain critical moments. I would also be fine with someone else being the main punt returner. All I'm saying is that it's not necessary.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm torn by the opportunity to give advice. I think the CowPies are just fine the way they are, shouldn't change a thing.
I also want Norv to remain in SD, figuring that gives us a 23.5% better chance to win next year.

Oh, helpful advice. Nope, fresh outta that.

Posted by: daggar | December 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, you stated earlier that Punt returner wouldn't even be in the top 10 things to address this offseason...

I submit to you this....

If (and when) this offense continues to struggle, every yard will count. If you have a chance to get 10 yds a punt return, that equals 1 less 1st down you have to make onoffense. With this crew , that is MAJOR!!! If you can put the ball back against the other teams goal line on a consistant basis, with our defense, that's huge. If we insist on playing 13-10 games every week, all of those ST's factors come into play.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 10:39 AM

Actually, I think I said RB wasn't in the top 10 positions to address. But while I can agree that punt returner is definitely an area of need, where you start on the field doesn't matter if you can't move the ball. While special teams is important, unless they somehow get Devin Hester this team still won't score...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and throw my vote to Morocco Brown for GM. Heck, I'd take Campbell Brown if it means no more Vinny...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Matt Ryan has been named the NFL's offensive rookie of the year.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 30, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and throw my vote to Morocco Brown for GM. Heck, I'd take Campbell Brown if it means no more Vinny...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd take the late, great James Brown. We might not win but we'd be funky!

Wow even I thought that sucked.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think if ARE has his WR duties cut/diminished, then he becomes more effective in both area's, both PR and as a WR. Hopefully Thomas, and Kelly have and take their opportunity to do this very thing next year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

i'd take down town julie brown too. love her fake british accent.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Matt Ryan has been named the NFL's offensive rookie of the year.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 30, 2008 11:56 AM

In other news...the sky is blue. The sun rises in the east. And Dan Snyder has killed the Redskins.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope you all read fiensteins article about the skins. I probably missed where you all talked about it, but it is all there.

pretty much JLA's take as well... hmm

Posted by: Zeebs | December 30, 2008 11:13 AM

Feinstein article sucks. Just another Wilbon/Peter King/Fat Black Dude from Kansas City.......

It is too general. And of course he knew fans would cheer his article because everything is laid at the feet of Snyder and Vinny, to a lessor extent.

Feinstein is like the male Sally Jenkins...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Any of you geeks on here with nothing better to do know where I can get a tasty steak and cheese at a reasonable price in the Arlington area?

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 30, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike go to Mario's, it aint great but it's greasy and filling.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Mike go to Mario's, it aint great but it's greasy and filling."

thanks fruity pants - appreciate it.

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 30, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

4th, i think we as fans are too close to the situation. not everything he said is right but the main point was a homerun. which is that with vinny the best danny could do with a HOF'er and one of the best head coaches in the history of the NFL they could only muster one playoff win. that's what danny and vinny combo is.

you give these two a less than HOF'er coach like spurrier and this idiot and norv and you get 5-7, and 8-8's and 3-13's.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you go to Ray's Hellburgers instead?

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Feinstein article sucks. Just another Wilbon/Peter King/Fat Black Dude from Kansas City.......

It is too general. And of course he knew fans would cheer his article because everything is laid at the feet of Snyder and Vinny, to a lessor extent.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 12:05 PM

Agreed. I hate the very fiber of Feinstein and I promptly change the channel when I see his ugly grill on TV. Just an f-ing jerk on every level. If I could hate anyone worse, I haven't met them yet.

That article is so far out of touch, it's ridiculous. To make the sweeping declaration that Snyder doesn't do ANYTHING right is ludicrous (even though I hate Snyder about as much as I hate Feinstein) after the way he handled the Sean Taylor situation. I think most of us here would change our mind about Snyder if he were to hire a REAL GM (Pioli anyone?) and stop gauging the fans with extraordinary prices.

By the way, I think the "Fat Black Dude from Kansas City" you're referring to is Jason Whitlock.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

REPORT: TANNENBAUM’S PRESENCE CAUSES COWHER TO PASS ON JETS
Posted by Mike Florio on December 30, 2008, 11:01 a.m. EST
Bill Cowher’s flirtation with the Jets apparently didn’t last too long.

According to ESPN’s John Clayton, Cowher was interested. He even had some preliminary discussions with the Jets regarding their head-coaching vacancy.

But the discussions, per Clayton, fell apart because ”there wasn’t a front-office configuration that interests him.”

In other words, the decision of owner Woody Johnson to fire only coach Eric Mangini and not G.M. Mike Tannenbaum has prevented the Jets from landing Cowher.

Cowher would have wanted final say over the roster. And Cowher would have wanted to bring Kevin Colbert and/or Omar Khan from the Steelers to run the personnel side of the business.

But Tannenbaum wasn’t going anywhere, so Cowher isn’t coming to town.

And that’s precisely the way Jets fans need to view this one. Johnson chose Tannenbaum over Cowher.

Johnson chose Tannenbaum, a lawyer who cozied up to Bill Parcells and became a salary-cap wizard and scratched the right backs and kissed the right asses and climbed over guys like Terry Bradway until Tannenbaum occupied a position where he could squander millions on overhyped veterans and suffer no consequences when they failed to succeed.

Johnson chose Tannenbaum over Cowher, a 15-year head coach who followed a living legend in Pittsburgh, led the Steelers to six AFC title game appearances, two Super Bowl berths, and won the same number of Lombardi Trophies that the Jets have claimed in the entire history of the franchise.

Who would you choose? Tannenbaum or Cowher?

Meanwhile, we’re amazed by the fact that the New York media has yet to focus on Tannenbaum’s responsibility for the current status of the team.

Tannenbaum signed Calvin Pace. Tannenbaum signed Damien Woody. Tannenbaum drafted Vernon Gholston. Tannenbaum traded for Brett Favre. Tannenbaum traded away John Abraham.

Johnson could have traded Tannenbaum for Cowher.

And didn’t.

Jets fans should be enraged.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

CHIEFS TO CHASE PIOLI, TOO?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 30, 2008, 11:56 a.m. EST
As the Cleveland Browns embark on their pursuit of Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli, another team to keep in mind is the Kansas City Chiefs.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen has reported that Pioli is on the radar of Chiefs owner Clark Hunt, and that Hunt specifically has mentioned Pioli in connection with the possibility of making another 20-year hire for the job.

Other candidates, per Mortensen, are Ravens director of pro personnel George Kokinis, Ravens director of college scouting Eric DeCosta, Colts assistant G.M. Chris Polian, and even former Browns G.M. Phil Savage.

Per Mort, Hunt is also interested in keeping coach Herm Edwards, but if the new G.M. doesn’t want to keep Edwards it won’t be a deal breaker.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

looks like vinny and zorny aren't going anywhere:

With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3799959

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

btw i know cL and someone else illuded to this but i'll go a step further:

jc is to zorny as zorny is to vinny. fall guys.

vinny knows if he keeps zorny zorny will be the first one to go. zorny knows that if he keeps jc, jc will be the first one to take the fall.

burn me in effigy, call me names, call me unpatriotic err non-fan. i'm rooting for an 0-16 season next year!!!! i want vinny gone. i want zorny gone. and yes, i'll be rooting against them even when the play the iggles and *gasp* the girls!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I could give a damn whats going on in Dallas (team diffusion, postseaon eligiblity) or the current state of piss poor teams like the Bengals, Lions, or Raiders - people actually take some form of solace that these teams are better, or appear to be better of the the Redksins.

I couldn't care less about any of these teams (with the exception of maybe Dallas. I do follow that team BUT NOT as a fan.)

I take solace in the fact that the Redskins won't play another meaningful football game until NINE months from now.

How is this comforting?

I OR any of you, WILL NOT have to watch that grotesque, putrid, and grotesque offense take the field until then.

OG-T-OG-LB in the draft... it's that simple.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Thats because Snyder is giving Cowher 2 mil NOT to coach this year, and if Zorn doesnt work out this year, its Cowhers job next year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

also i'm planning not to watch any live broadcasts of the skins games next year. i'm going from 3-4 hours to 20 minutes of time a week next year devoted to this dysfunctional franchise.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

dealer1, no you won't and you know it

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Zorn may be gone at the end of next year, but as long as Snyder is running this team, Cerrato will have his input or insight heard at 'skins park.

Pioli, anyone form the Steelers front office, or Cowher coming here should be considered as wishful thinking and nothing more.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Anybody think that Snyder or Cerrato would go behind Zorn's back and see if there is interest out there for this job without firing him?

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

deal, what makes you think that going 0-16 is going to get Vinny fired?? That gets zorn fired, and JC gone, and the team starting over at the qb position. I'm not sure that Vinny gets fired as long as DS owns the team, but feel free to not watch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody think that Snyder or Cerrato would go behind Zorn's back and see if there is interest out there for this job without firing him?

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 12:40 PM

I've wondered that myself, but Cerrato seems so committed to Zorn. Both him and Snyder (especially Snyder) are the ultimate narcs, so it would not surprise me if they were to keep Zorn around just to TRY and prove to everyone that "we knew we always had the right guy for the job".

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ron wolf for gm... chewy proved to be nothing but a career backup after this year!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 30, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

jimmy, you're better off wishing yourself as GM, at least its more self-satisfying.

as long as snyder is running the zoo...

who is chewy? Mark Chumara?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

greg, i agree...unfortunately as long as snyder owns the team vinny will somehow be involved w the organization.

scary thing is after he was let go in SF in mid '90s NO other NFL team wanted him so he worked as college analyst before snyder picked him up. during martyball nobody again wanted cerrato and he was w espn before snyder brought him back...so basically outside of DC no franchise thought he was worth a hoot

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and throw my vote to Morocco Brown for GM. Heck, I'd take Campbell Brown if it means no more Vinny...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse


Forget Morocco Brown, Doo Doo Brown, Julie brown and Campbell Brown...ok maybe not Campbell Brown...but gimme

BROWNwood for GM in 2009

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I understand guys like Snyder. He made billions by being the businessman that he is - doing IT HIS way. You think he gives a damn about what you or I want? Everytime someone gripes about vending prices, parking prices, or seating prices, and IF he catches word of it, more than likely he can't hear you due to the two fiddies (Grant) he currently using as Q-tips.

Snyder doesn't share decision making with anybody - that is why the Redskins don't have a general manager.

Snyder also strongly believes in the "another man's trash is...". How else could you explain past trades, free agent signings, and the gainful employment of one Vincent Cerrato. From what I read and hear Vinny hasn't had good success anywhere outside of San Fran, and even then he was maybe considered average at best.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Please do not tease me with "Pioli to KC" rumo(u)rs.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"burn me in effigy, call me names, call me unpatriotic err non-fan. i'm rooting for an 0-16 season next year!!!! i want vinny gone. i want zorny gone. and yes, i'll be rooting against them even when the play the iggles and *gasp* the girls!!!

Posted by: dealer1 "


Dude, that's pitiful.


Completely pitiful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Red, let us dream already...jeesh what a killjoy!

And Vinny sucked it at San Fran also...that once great franchise has been on the rocks of dispair since his time there...

Also snyder got Rich the old fashion way....cozying up to old money and finding ways to rip off suckers and poor people...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It is too general. And of course he knew fans would cheer his article because everything is laid at the feet of Snyder and Vinny, to a lessor extent.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 12:05 PM

4th- They're the main men, the head honchos, the big kahunas, the top dogs, the Owner and the EVP. A decade of mediocre to less than mediocre results. Coaches and players have come and gone. The Owner and EVP are the constants (yes, yes, Vinny was in the shadows, lurking during some of those years...that's why the Owner is the main focus of Feinstein's ire). Ultimately, if YOUR business model isn't successful, it falls on YOU to fix it.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 30, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, Dealer !!! can't co-sign on that one.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

flound,

anything new on PFT...?

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

ripping off suckers and poor people sounds like a pretty good idea

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

TEXANS FIRE THREE DEFENSIVE COACHES
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 30, 2008, 12:59 p.m. EST
Two days after finishing a season in which they ranked 27th in points allowed, the Houston Texans have fired defensive coordinator Richard Smith and two other defensive assistants.

The Houston Chronicle reports that head coach Gary Kubiak fired Smith, who has been his defensive coordinator throughout his tenure in Houston, as well as defensive backs coach Jon Hoke and defensive line coach Jethro Franklin.

Per the Chronicle, Kubiak is expected to hire an experienced coordinator with a proven track record of success, as well as a coach who will employ a 4-3 defense.

It’s not clear, however, whether Kubiak will hire from outside the organization. Frank Bush, the team’s senior defensive assistant the last two seasons, could end up getting promoted to coordinator.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 30, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

You make no sense 4th, but keep deflecting from the true cause. Its not to general...its just that simple.

But yeah its the media, the coaches....blah blah blah...

Your belief in Snyder/Vinny is as smart as you pimping that 6 Flags Stock...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

You would think that Truth....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Snyder/Vinny = Burns/Smithers...

Nuff said

And Dealer I can't follow you down that dark road. The Skins give me to much pai...err I meant joy!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

read something on pro-football weekly the other day about how Amobi Okoye, hasn't really made any progress, and the Texans were disappointed with his play, speaking of the Texans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

It is too general. And of course he knew fans would cheer his article because everything is laid at the feet of Snyder and Vinny, to a lessor extent.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2008 12:05 PM

4th, here is a team that has splashed cash everywhere. It has the fewest draft picks over the past 17 years and has been an epic failure savre (to a certain extent) the years that Marty and Gibbs were in control of the team since Danny bought it.

If the past 10 years isn't on Danny then who is it on? The only other guy who's been here that long is John Jansen and Bubba Tyre. Is it there fault?

Nothing but love for you brutha but who's being naive here?

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Brown, I heard that Mike Brown the safety for the Bears was ONCE again IR'd.

That sucks. I remember him having a couple of good season earlier this decade (damn time flies), and then after '04 - nothing.

***Hypothetical BS***

Who would you rather have at which time? Bob Sanders in '07:

G TAK SACK INT PD
15 97 3.5 2 6

or Mike Brown in '02:

G TAK SACK INT PD
16 93 0.0 3 8

'cause to me, mike brown = bob sanders

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

cl, didn't snyder start his own communications company?

I guess I don't understand the "cozying up to old money and finding ways to rip off suckers and poor people..."

can you elab?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

i guess it wouldn't exactly be rooting against the team i love if i don't watch it right? done!

i may be underestimating but i think some of you are overestimating snyder's love for vinny. vinny and his coach will be gone soon. but but but that stupid waiting list for the season tickets has to go or threatened to go.

you guys think zorn ever wonders "what were these idiots thinking hiring me as an hc!"

btw i don't know if you guys saw the scroll but zach thomas is opting out of his contract to play elsewhere (out of big lil D).

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Okoye? Wasn't he 19 or something like that when he was drafted?

He just turned 21, I believe.

I mean since we ('skins fans) are in the business of giving time to young players, you can't really call him a bust quiet yet, right?

At 21 he should be a junior in college.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

deal, if this team causes you such grief, and obviously it does, why not something else to occupy your time?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

yes, snyder was one of those lucky bastards that sold before the crash in 2000/2001.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

CL, that right cousin, no dreaming! I'm anti-Freddie Kruger, the bubble burster, and the dream smasher.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

can you elab?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

He got on board with Mort Zuckerman and swindled college kids out of their money.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse


I'd actually be interested in your top ten needed fixes for this team.
Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

1) Starting RT
2) Backup RG (Starter if Thomas is done)
3) Pocket Collapsing DT
4) Starting possession/#2 WR
5) Starting SLB
6) K
7) P
8) Backup C
9) Backup RT
10) Assorted Special Teams Specialists

Top Issues:
* The offensive line lacked quality depth.
* The defense could not generate pressure.
* Aging players were injured.
* Special Teams were terrible.

Posted by: siris | December 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Red, re-read what I wrote, Pro Football Weekly was saying this. Not beantowngreg.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:30 PM

I know this was from PFT, although I grew up in the inner city, I can read :)

Although it may have been a little too much to draft all pass catchers, that early, I think its TOO early to call any one of them busts.

But thats neither here nor there...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Here is a story about the Cowboy who started a scuffle with a fan who was protesting the team.

Cowboy's gift settles scuffle with fan; team brawls too

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/12/cowboys-gift-se.html

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

ripping off suckers and poor people sounds like a pretty good idea

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 1:08 PM

why would you do this to your own kind? where is your damn humanity?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S TAKE

1) What do you do with Jason Campbell?

No starting job should be secure on offense, so I'd bring someone in to push him. It can only make him better, but I don't extend him or cut ties with him yet.

2) What should be the first priority of the Redskins?

Getting more picks, even through a sensible trade.

3) Rogers or Hall?

I like them both, and I know Hall is playing for a contract, but I think Hall has more upside. Rogers had dropped game-changing INT's. I would only trade him if I could be a 3rd round pick or higher. I'd sign Hall, but wouldn't break the bank for him. And please....if Rogers goes, let's not turn him into Champ Bailey.

3) How would you address the Defensive Line woes?

Depends upon your level of patience. We have some good young talent on the D-Line, but no world beaters. If I get Haynesworth, I let Griffin go. I draft a stud DE and have a steady rotation of young guys at the position. I think our D-Line will get better. One stat that goes unnoticed is that Lorenzo Alexander had 2 1/2 sacks from the DT position.

How would you address the O-Line woes?

If Jansen has to stay for cap reasons then he's the back-up...period. I think you've invested too much into Heyer to let him go even if he's an eternal backup. I'd look perhaps fill that RT position through FA as well as maybe a FA Guard. Reinhart was a FOURTH ROUND PICK...put him on the field. Kendall should be gone. He won't last through the next season. We need a solid backup at the RG position and an heir apparent to Randy Thomas

What would you do with Portis?

This is critical! Portis's production will continue to decline. I know....he is the fourth leading rusher in the league, but to what end? We need a true two back system. Portis is not an everydown back. Betts catches the ball well out of the backfield. Portis runs hard. Use both!!! If Portis whines...so be it!

What would you do about the WR position?

Thrash should be gone. Kelly and Thomas need to be coached up in the offseason. No more "they aren't in shape, they run the wrong routes, they're progressing". That's why we have WR coaches. They need to be here during the offseason working with Campbell. I like Thomas when he's on the field. I think ARE should be the third receiver.

Any other thoughts?

Zorn needs to be careful. Who is he to say there won't be wholesale changes? Sticking with this offensive personnel as a whole would be foolish. This offensive unit has been in place since 2004 and hasn't won anything. You got a pass from fans for adopting your scheme to Gibbs talent, but not anymore. Get the players you need to run your system! WE ARE NOT ONE PLAYER AWAY!!!!!

This is to FANS...If you want us to get younger, we have to be patient. Atlanta went young for two or three seasons. There is more accountability in Miami than in Washington and Baltimore has a better defense.


I AM SICWIDIT THE GM

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

who wins coach of year and nfl mvp...?

mike smith?

phillip rivers?

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Mike Smith

Peyton Manning

But who should win it is Ed Reed.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

greg, i think that's exactly what i said. i won't spend anymore than 20 minutes per week on this team. next year. down from 4 hours per week.

btw...i hope blogging on washington POST does not qualify time spent on this team.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

When looking at this team, this first thing you start with is what is working. Nothing on this team worked better than the secondary. Keep Carlos Rogers (and I know I wasn't the only one shocked when I realized Rogers was the guy who made the pick vs SF)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

zcest

Notice he caught it on his leg, his thigh is better than his hands.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I think PManning has to get some MVP votes. He missed all of training camp with his injury, team started out 3-4, but won their last 8 games or something like that. He threw for over 4000 yards, 27 td's.

I also think the ATL coach gets the COY award, and as much as I hate this, Belichick might warrent some votes as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Belichick might warrent some votes as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Belicheat's team didn't even make the playoffs. Can't get COY without a playoff appearance.

Zero playoff appearances without one Tommy Brady. Dude is a hack. (Yeah I know it's not true but i like to say it)

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The coach of the year should be Mike Smith.

The rookie of the year is Matt Ryan.

The NFL MVP should be Michael Turner.

G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
16 376 1699 106.2 4.5 17

I'm in freakin' awe of the Atlanta Falcons right now. Where they've come from, and where they're going... more than what I can say about the Redskins, RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Good point zcest, but if I can get a 2nd or 3rd for him, then I take it.

If you keep him and give Hall a deal then you've got a problem. If you give them both deals then you have little money to address other needs.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

deal, no, no way does blogging on a place called "Redskins Insider" qualify as time spent on the team. There is no way you can make that connection.....;)

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Good catch bean-boy. Seems to me I remember a bunch of lame nitwits on RI swearing we made a huge mistake drafting Laron Landry instead of Amobi. "D-line, D-line, D-line" so repetitive and
so stoopid. And you wonder why I like to torture the knuckle-heads here with the same clap-trap.

"read something on pro-football weekly the other day about how Amobi Okoye, hasn't really made any progress, and the Texans were disappointed with his play, speaking of the Texans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

forcing punters to punt the ball out of bounds, changing ARE out would be negligible.

Posted by: psps23

negligible? I have to think ARE fair catches more than other return men. I think taking a chance and actually breaking upfield woould be more than negligible. When Moss returns, there exists that threat, not when ARE does.
BTW, does ARE stand for "already rich everyone?" It would explain his lack of effort.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"No starting job should be secure on offense, so I'd bring someone in to push him. It can only make him better"

When was the last time an incumbent QB has played better when competition has been brought in?

The only player I can think of is Drew Brees when Phillip Rivers was drafted. And even then Brees was let go, and has performed even better when given the secure job in New Orleans.

Anytime a QB competition opens up, the incumbent almost always fails. Even good QBs like Chad Pennington, who now looks like a very good QB. You cannot play the QB position knowing that your job is at stake. You think JC was thinking too much this year? Wait until you bring in someone else. (And note, not every QB competition ends in Phillip Rivers pushing the incumbent. It's much more likely you get a Kellen Clemens.)

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Definitely. That is one team to model yourself after when it comes to rebuilding through the draft ... basically overnight. Three key components from the draft: QB, LT, and MLB.

But I expect Philadelphia to pull a Gints and go to the superbowl.

Posted by: RedDMV

"The rookie of the year is Matt Ryan."
"The NFL MVP should be Michael Turner."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Without the season that Turner Burner just churned out, Ryan doesn't do nearly as well.

It's simple: Running game opens up the passing game. When the pass was called it seems that Atlanta was THROWING the ball DOWNFIELD.

Ask yourselves this question: Is Atlanta's offensive line that much better than Washington's?

If so how and why? If not, how and why?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"greg, i think that's exactly what i said. i won't spend anymore than 20 minutes per week on this team. next year. down from 4 hours per week.

btw...i hope blogging on washington POST does not qualify time spent on this team.

Posted by: dealer1"

so Dealer, what you're basically saying is that you won't pay any attention to this team unless\until they start winning?

And earlier you said you would cheer AGAINST the Skins in every game next year. Now, what happens if we win every game and we're playing in the Superbowl? Will you be cheering against us then?

Pitiful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Psps23...

I respectfully disagree with your argument.

Jason Campbell is a grown man and a professional and if he can't mentally handle competition, then he's not the right QB (and I like JC)

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Just wing it...forget medium" is mantra for '09 season

J Campbell will let 'em fly and not worry about mistakes...he'll force the defenses to make the mistakes

Defense will blitz and attack qb and not worry about the big play...they'll force TO's and create big plays

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"When Moss returns, there exists that threat, not when ARE does.

Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Yes, when Moss is back there. Good luck finding another guy with his athleticism and vision that isn't more valuable elsewhere on the field (which is why Moss is used sparingly in the first place).

Saying we need to find another Moss-caliber punt returner is like saying we need to draft the next Chris Samuels at OT. Both are just as rare as the other, only an OT is a much, much higher priority and will have much, much greater impact.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Without the season that Turner Burner just churned out, Ryan doesn't do nearly as well.

It's simple: Running game opens up the passing game. When the pass was called it seems that Atlanta was THROWING the ball DOWNFIELD.

Ask yourselves this question: Is Atlanta's offensive line that much better than Washington's?

If so how and why? If not, how and why?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse


Actually most believe that paradigm has been turned on it's head and that passing opens up the run.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

When you're at the crossroads of a relationship, you'll experience three different moods.

1) Love
2) Hate
3) Apathy

dealer is currently suffering from apathy. it is okay, its usually normal at this time of year as a 'skins fan.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

issa ... you found it. The ONE AND ONLY stat category where a Redskin was the league leader. Number One. Numero Uno. The Big Kahuna.

Yes. Antwaan Randle El led the ENTIRE NFL in .... fair catches

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Going into 2009 season...it has been ten long painful seasons since the Redskins offense last racked up 400+ points in a season ('99 N. Turner).

At the rate our offense is progressing...we'll be lucky to break 300

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

dealer is currently suffering from apathy. it is okay, its usually normal at this time of year as a 'skins fan.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:10 PM

I'm so there with this team.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

1) What do you do with Jason Campbell? Keep him.
Todd Collins is a competent backup. If he
falters draft someone next year.

2) What should be the first priority of the Redskins? FA so that decisions can be made about
current personnel. Keep the "D" chemistry as is.
Haynesworth over Griffin. Keep Taylor. Maybe let Carter go.

3) Rogers or Hall? BOTH. Its too hard to replace good cover corners as the Champ Bailey debacle proved.

3) How would you address the Defensive Line woes?

Get Haynesworth. Keep Taylor. Cut Griffin (unless he takes a dramatic pay cut). Same with Carter.

How would you address the O-Line woes?
Draft a starting Left Tackle. Move Samuels to RT. Draft another LT that can play multiple positions. The another. The draft is deep with OL might as well rebuild while you can.

What would you do with Portis?
Use him less (like Jacobs). Use Betts more. Draft a replacement in 2010.

What would you do about the WR position?
Cut ARE. Split Cooley out if Fred Davis can catch passes and block at TE. Keep Moss. Develop Malcom Kelly into a 2nd / 3rd wide out. Give Devin Thomas one more year. Otherwise cut.

Any other thoughts?

Zorn needs an offensive line. He already has the skill personnel to run a hybrid Gibbs/WCO if he has a younger OL. Adding another FA receiver might help but that has always been problematic.
Betts, Cooley, Moss are perfect in that scheme. But you need production from Kelly, Thomas and Davis. Will they produce?

They have a real issue with wasted CAP space. They need to be extremely careful when they sign FAs. And Jason Taylor is not a problem here. Its guys with pro-rated and guaranteed bonuses like Brandon LLoyd, and David Patten.

Stop bleeding draft picks.

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

red, using the WP depth chart for ATL, regarding atlanta's line versus ours.

Their line, left to right is as follows

LT - 1st round pick, Rookie
LG - 2nd rouhg pick, 2nd year
C - 7th round pick, 10th year
RG - UFA - 2nd year
RT - UFA - 3rd year.

They have both size, as well as youth on their side, their line is better than ours.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Jason Campbell is a grown man and a professional and if he can't mentally handle competition, then he's not the right QB (and I like JC)

Posted by: rickyroge"

I understand where you're coming from, and for any other position I'd agree with you. But not QB. Even if you take away the mental aspect of it, which is huge, the simple fact that you would be taking away repetitions from the QB, repetitions between the QB and his top receivers, and devotion from the coach/coordinator to the "starting" QB would only hurt the incumbent.

There's a reason 90% of the teams in this league commit to one QB. It's because it's the single most important position on the team that needs EVERYBODY'S devotion to maximize production.

JC has shown enough progress throughout his years here, despite whatever impacts changing systems have had, that he has earned his keep. There's no reason to expect him to NOT improve next season as well. Bringing in someone else will only hinder that.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV sez:

"Ask yourselves this question: Is Atlanta's offensive line that much better than Washington's?

If so how and why? If not, how and why?"

This year the answer is yes. They are younger. 21st pick in the 1st round Sam Baker at left tackle. At right tackle 27 year old Tyson Clabo from Denver. At Guard 27 year old Harvey Dahl from the 49'ers. 31 year old Todd McClure at Center. In his 2nd year at age 25 Left guard Justin Blalock. At Tight End a Donny Warren blocking type in Ben Hartsock, age 28.

Believe it or not I think Oakland's could be a lot better. Better picks, better personnel, just really terrible owner, management, and coaching.

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

nede mor draff piks

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

See Feinstein article for the reason why.


"Going into 2009 season...it has been ten long painful seasons since the Redskins offense last racked up 400+ points in a season ('99 N. Turner)."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

greg, think of it as a form of protest (using danny's product's name but danny not getting a penny from it and someone else making the money). that's what RI is to me. plus, big plus is the company.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

My BOLD prediction for the Super Bowl:

AFC: Miami Dolphins
NFC: Philadelphia Eagles

Eagles will win (darn it!)

Just think about it....a FL team (Tampa Bay Rays) who was the worse in MLB went to the World Series this year playing a Philadelphia (Phillies) tean with the Phillies winning.

I know this sounds crazy but the Dolphins were (like the Rays) worst in the league last season and I just have a feeling about this.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Start with what works. For this team, what is working is:

Secondary
MLB
Golston, Evans and d-line rotation depth
TE
Moss and ARE
RB

At these positions, do no harm.

There are a ton of holes that need to be addressed, start by taking the places we succeed off the table

In other words, don't mess with Cooley.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

how fun is it to mock draft for Detroit!?!


how bad does it suck to be a Detroit fan!?!


why has Detroit came their FO the same!?!

being an NFL GM is not the most easiest thing in the world!?!


HAIL TO THE TRUTH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

You GM moves are smart but I'd still dangle Rogers. Losing Champ Bailey was not the demise of this team.

I like your plan for the WR position as well as your thoughts on the TE's.

What would you do with the young pups on O-line? (Heyer, Geisinger, Reinhert)

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

forgot to say that QB is also a position that is working

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

They need some serious blocking at the TE position. Something Fred Davis can provide because of his size and athleticism. Cooley is poor at this. See career of Donny Warren for reference.


"There are a ton of holes that need to be addressed, start by taking the places we succeed off the table

In other words, don't mess with Cooley."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

t1, winning and losing has nothing to do with dude. where have you been the last 4 years?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Any way we can trade TCollins

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think one of the other major problems with this team is their committment to older players. Because we have no talent in the pipeline on offense we have to stick with thirty somethings on the O-Line.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What would you do with the young pups on O-line? (Heyer, Geisinger, Reinhert)

Great question. Based on what I've seen. Heyer is a backup. Geisinger and Reinhart spent the season touring with Air Supply, so I'm not sure what to do with guys that don't play

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

They are cheap. NO CAP HITS. KEEPERS. Definitely, draft some more in this very deep draft. Heyer is a great "swing man". Rhinehart purportedly can play tackle and guard. Find out. Geisinger is a center/guard not a tackle. Rhinehart could start next year in Kendall's spot. You can't move Thomas because of the Cap hit. You can move Jansen. Fred Davis blocking tight end.

Draft the replacements NOW.

"What would you do with the young pups on O-line? (Heyer, Geisinger, Reinhert)

Posted by: rickyroge"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

ummmm t1, detroit has done pretty well since mayhew took over. and i'm talking about personnel moves not going zero and 16. they have like 50 picks in this year's draft following the roy williams trade and the best young receiver in the league. i think they have a better chance of fielding a better team next year than the skins.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

We saw Geisinger get overwhelmed trying to play OT didn't we.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

++++Trade 2009 & 2010 first rounders for Detroit's #1 and draft Matthew Stafford.

Draft Knowshon Moreno with 2008 #13 overall.

Draft Brannun Sutherland (FB, UGA) with the 5th round selection.

Trade 2008 3rd rounder & 2009 2nd rounder for 2008 2nd rounder and draft Mohammod Massaquoi (WR, UGA).

Keep defense as is.

Win Superbowl in 2011, 2012, and 2015.

Posted by: TheTruth11++++

Truth. Go sit in the corner with Snyder and Cerrato.

I want the team to win, not sell more jerseys. Fix the lines. the rest will follow.

By the way, the 2008 draft has already happened. The Redskins drafted ten guys, including three receievers and a punter.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Secondary
MLB
Golston, Evans and d-line rotation depth
TE
Moss and ARE
RB

At these positions, do no harm.

zcezcest1

I would tend to agree. However, I think Evans can be rreplaced by a younger version if he asks for too much to re-sign this offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Donny Warren played on teams with really good WRs.

This team needs a pass catching TE. TE is a solved problem.

Yes, it would be good to see Cooley improve his blocking. It would also be good to see Fred Davis get past Yoder on the depth chart.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

playoff teams take care of business at home...period

until the redskins can dominate teams and use Fedex to their advantage we'll be chasing a final wild card.

2008 playoff teams

Team Home Record
NYG 7-1
Car 8-0
Minn 6-2
Ari 6-2
Atl 7-1
Phi 6-2


Tenn 7-1
Pitt 6-2
Mia 5-3
SD 5-3
Ind 6-2
Bal 6-2

Redskins home record since '00

2000 4-4
2001 4-4
2002 5-3
2003 3-5
2004 3-5
2005 6-2 (playoffs)
2006 3-5
2007 5-3 (playoffs)
2008 4-4
-----------------------------
37-35 = 0 home playoff games

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"i think they have a better chance of fielding a better team next year than the skins"

deal, you're angry, and you've made your point, but posting stupid stuff like this, just is foolish.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually most believe that paradigm has been turned on it's head and that passing opens up the run.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 2:08 PM

Maybe, but this is not true for every team. 'Skins at one point in the season were one of the better running teams, and I don't remember Campbell or Zorn (Playcalling) threatening defenses with the passing game/scheme.

Teams were able to gameplan for the 'skins by noticing that when they did attempt a pass, it was rarely a pass over 10-15 yards, so you stack the box (not necessarily eight) and play the intermdiate passing stuff, and *Presto* you have the 2008 Washington Redskins offense sewn up (figured).

I think you play to the strengths of the team, with Atlanta and Washington its the run. You had to at least account for Ryan and his receivers in the passing game. 'Skins? Not so much.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

+++I know we all think Jansen should retire, and believe me I agree. But has anyone thought that he too is coming off major injuries and a another off-season working to regain his form might actually benefit this O-Line. He is a fighter and I have to believe he doesn't want to go out feeling like he was each opponents bi$&^h for 4 quarters.+++

Jansen is the closet thing to a Gibbs 1.0 Hog the team has. He was tough as nails. then got banged up and his absence hurt the team badly. Kinda like Lachey and Jacoby.

Dunno if the experiment was abandoned or failed, but they might reconsider shifting him to Center. His brute strength and run blocking can work there and he wont' be challenged by speed rushers so much as on the tackle island. He could get a few more years and wouldn't be as badly snowplowed by good nosetackles as the current occupant.

It's not a perfect solution, but considering hte cap situation, better that than dead money.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey cork, don't be MAD.

You're MAD cause you know Knowshon, Stafford, Sutherland, and MoMass wouldn't even need an OL to score 40+ points per game.

They are BULLDAWGS.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

What is really amazing is that 8 guys from the draft of 10, are still complete mysteries after one year. Brooks is gone and Horton is a definite.

No one knows a thing about Reinhart. He NEVER played. Tryon looked bad in preseason, but he almost never played. Jackson, Brennan, Kelly, Moore, Davis all barely played. Thomas played enough to make some judgment and he's still in the 'maybe'.

Just remarkable that the team could invest so much in these guys and after all these games, know so little

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

greg, actually that was a pretty good educated guess. i'm telling you lions will be a better team than the skins next year. and plus you're acting as if skins beat the lions by 10 points. skins weren't that much better than the lions when they played heads-up and they're only going to get better with all those draft picks, and a new headcoach.

btw...just had a scary scary horrifying thought that would mean the end for you redmv up here...what if the skins trade and pick up matt staffinfection of ga. not only that he turns out to be a good QB. in that case it'll just be cindy and t1 on game days.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Believe it or not I think Oakland's could be a lot better. Better picks, better personnel, just really terrible owner, management, and coaching.

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 2:23 PM

Replace 'Oakland' with 'Washington', and boom!!!!

My GOD!!!! Has the universe really come to:

Oakland = Washington
Al Davis = Dan Snyder
Raider Nation = 'Skins Nation

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, but this is not true for every team. 'Skins at one point in the season were one of the better running teams, and I don't remember Campbell or Zorn (Playcalling) threatening defenses with the passing game/scheme.

Teams were able to gameplan for the 'skins by noticing that when they did attempt a pass, it was rarely a pass over 10-15 yards, so you stack the box (not necessarily eight) and play the intermdiate passing stuff, and *Presto* you have the 2008 Washington Redskins offense sewn up (figured).

I think you play to the strengths of the team, with Atlanta and Washington its the run. You had to at least account for Ryan and his receivers in the passing game. 'Skins? Not so much.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Red when they were doing so Moss was catching intermediate to long routes. Once it was discovered that Zorn wouldn't call or that JC wouldn't throw into coverage they simply doubled Moss, put 8-9 in the box and covered Cooley on 3rd down.

I don't know what to think. I do know that in my opinion Int's be damned JC needs to throw the ball intermediate/deep and into coverage.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

you wouldn't know who we draft dealer, you already said you won't watch this team at all next year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Cork, at least you are thinking rationally. Jansen isn't (shouldn't be?) a starting tackle in this league.

But, like so many other players on this team, his contract has more to do with how you manage the situation than his on field play.

Thing is, Jansen is only one of several guys that the Skins will need to address with similar issues.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

skinz, redmv, someone mentioned that if you go look at jc in auburn he never threw in coverage and he never threw to anyone on slants...basically the receiver has to stand there look at jc for jc to throw the ball to him and that includes slants, which is not a slant anymore it's just a 3/5 yard dump off.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Bulldogs = Bulls#*t

Knowshon = Ki-Jana

Stafford = Couch

who's next? :)

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

so jc wasn't running the "west coast offense" he was just in the west coast offense.

see it is so hard to stay on track and keep saying F vinny!!! we always start talking about the players and coaches. why is that? herd mentality?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"they're only going to get better with all those draft picks, and a new headcoach"

Spare me....call me when that happens, because I have my doubts, and I also have this little thing called HISTORY to back me up. Martin Mayhew has ZERO to his name to back up what you're claiming....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

redmv, i'm telling you you better home mathew doesn't turnout ot be a good qb or we'll never hear the end of it. don't you rember august/september of this year when the DAWGS were favored to win it all. and that was without having playing a single down...and he was going crazy up here.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV doesn't Know-Shon!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

As annoying as this franchise is, we didn't have as many losses in the last 2 years as Detroit had this year. They were 0-16 and have no coach and little talent outside of Calvin Johnson but you think they will be better than the Redskins. Wow, just wow. Dumbest thing I read on here today by far.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Martin Mayhew is the case study for developing a CB. He was awful in his first year, grew into a solid CB.

As for running a team, he is stepping into Matt Millen's shoes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Unless someone offers a killer deal like Carolina did last year (Giving up a future #1 and more) they should draft the best OL, OLB or DL available. Strengthing those areas will be critical.

Denver got a stud LT last year picking at 12 and Carolina bounced back to contention when they solidified their OL with the Otah pick.

Unfortunately with Cerrato making the picks there isn't a whole lot of faith.

Morroco Brown for GM!

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

greg, if there was a worse gm in the league than vinny, it was matt millen. mayhew can't be worse than matt millen or vinny.

btw didn't he used to work for espn as a college football analyst? just wondering...not saying that qualifies him to be the gm or anything. i'll google it...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

is anyone else getting tired of fedex or is it just me...?

- above avg cost for below avg food/drinks
- horrid parking situation
- too big and open
- insulting small video/scoreboards

I'd like us to move back to D.C. and build a retractable roof stadium w seating capacity of 75,000 - 80,000 with overhang (a la RFK and Qwest Field) and get back to putting fear into opponents when they travel to the nation's capital

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to think. I do know that in my opinion Int's be damned JC needs to throw the ball intermediate/deep and into coverage.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 2:56 PM

YES! But how do you define coverage? Is it one defender? Two? I know its a silly question, but you get the feeling that either JC doesn't trust his receivers enough to throw in tight spots (they can't or won't go and get the ball).

Is it Zorn coaching Campbell not to throw it into coverage?

Is it the recievers just aren't that good in the first place? (except Moss, who's a 2nd at best, more ideal for the slot position)

Are the routes taking to long to develop? How much of the problems on offense fall on Zorn? Should Stan Hixon be fired?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Who is Morrocco Brown and where did he come from?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

btw greg, what does history have to do with anything if you change all the parts of the equation? look at your home team(s) as exhibit a. if anything history is on my side when it comes to the skins.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

deal, if the lions win 4 games next year, that will be considered a RESOUNDING success...but you think they're going to be a more talented team than the Redskins.

Are you by any chance Dan Orlovsky's dad??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse


++++Hey cork, don't be MAD.

You're MAD cause you know Knowshon, Stafford, Sutherland, and MoMass wouldn't even need an OL to score 40+ points per game.

They are BULLDAWGS.

Posted by: TheTruth11 +++


Oh right. georgia. One of he SEC also rans.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Who is Morrocco Brown and where did he come from?

Posted by: shanteefamilee

He sprung fourth of the loins of charlie caserlie and is said to be the divine son of jeabus

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

E. all the above Red.

He's either been coached or is natural just too risk averse. Let that baby fly.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

breaking news

it's not over yet with bill cowher and the jets...

Initially, ESPN.com's John Clayton reported Cowher told the Jets he was not interested because he wanted his own personnel director. The Jets official's response indicates the team is willing to let Cowher replace current general manager Mike Tannenbaum with his own candidate. A Jets source also said Tannenbaum says he's willing to adjust his position to accommodate Cowher.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl change article

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Aloha-Hawaii-Pro-Bowl-reportedly-moved-to-Miam?urn=nfl,131536

The best part, however, is the pic ... with Art and Darrell

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Who is Morrocco Brown and where did he come from?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 30, 2008 3:09 PM

He is a young scout under Vinny who manages the PS roster. Ever wonder why so many of our PS players got signed this year? Its because of him.

As an aside, he is from Hampton Va, and went to high school with my wife.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Makes total sense to me. Build a redskins stadium to go with the new Nationals baseball palace. That's the job of a good owner. Not meddling in personnel, GM decisions and coaching decisions.

Will it ever happen give the current economic crisis and the fact that Snidely Owl is the owner? Probably never.

"is anyone else getting tired of fedex or is it just me...?

- above avg cost for below avg food/drinks
- horrid parking situation
- too big and open
- insulting small video/scoreboards

I'd like us to move back to D.C. and build a retractable roof stadium w seating capacity of 75,000 - 80,000 with overhang (a la RFK and Qwest Field) and get back to putting fear into opponents when they travel to the nation's capital"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

uh corky- this is the dumbest thing i've read on here all day:

"Dunno if the experiment was abandoned or failed, but they might reconsider shifting him to Center. His brute strength and run blocking can work there and he wont' be challenged by speed rushers so much as on the tackle island. He could get a few more years and wouldn't be as badly snowplowed by good nosetackles as the current occupant."

Let's stick a 30 something, washed up, injury plagued, bad knees, slow, jelly belly tackle in the center spot.

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Who is Morrocco Brown and where did he come from?

Posted by: shanteefamilee

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Morrocco from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Morrocco, was to carry the GM title. THAT is why he should be GM

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Who is Morrocco Brown and where did he come from?

Posted by: shanteefamilee

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Morrocco from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Morrocco, was to carry the GM title. THAT is why he should be GM

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Just because some watery tart proclaimed him GM-material is hardly a basis for structuring an NFL front office.

Morrocco Brown for GM!

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Morrocco from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that he, Morrocco, was to carry the GM title. THAT is why he should be GM

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' titles is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | December 30, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Are you by any chance Dan Orlovsky's dad??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:10 PM

If he were I envision him with the likeness of Kushman's father in the movie "Jerry Maguire".

"We signed with Sugar 10 minutes ago when you were in the lobby, with the black brotha."

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are an Anarcho-Cynicalist Commune.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Saying we need to find another Moss-caliber punt returner is like saying we need to draft the next Chris Samuels at OT+++

I never suggested a Moss caliber, and I also never said a punt returner is more valuable than a starting OT.
Getting a speedy, tough, north south runner to return punts isn't as tough as finding a premier OT. I think ARE is soft.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

holy humanitarian bowl, batman
it starts in 60 minutes, why aren't we discussing that

Posted by: connskins | December 30, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

In case no one mentioned it today: F the pro bowl.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

pred,

how old is brown...relatively young?

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Look its the violence inherent in the system, HELP HELP I am being repressed.
===
Brown is also supposedly responsible for late draft picks like Horton.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

greg, if the lions win 4 games next year skins will win one less. that's what i'm sayin to ya brutha (accent stolen from LOST character...what's his name?)...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

pred,

how old is brown...relatively young?

Posted by: forever21 | December 30, 2008 3:29 PM |


Early thirties I'm sure

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Brown's biggest attribute is he isn't Vinny.

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

+++What is really amazing is that 8 guys from the draft of 10, are still complete mysteries after one year. Brooks is gone and Horton is a definite.

No one knows a thing about Reinhart. He NEVER played. Tryon looked bad in preseason, but he almost never played. Jackson, Brennan, Kelly, Moore, Davis all barely played. Thomas played enough to make some judgment and he's still in the 'maybe'.

Just remarkable that the team could invest so much in these guys and after all these games, know so little

Posted by: zcezcest1 ++++

Remarkable the guy who drafted them still has a job.

Thomas played most of the game Sunday. I was there. Okay, I was drunk, but I was there. I saw it. I saw him covered like a blanket deep when Jason got sacked for minus 13. I NEVER saw him open all day.

His nickname should be the same as Adrian Peterson's "All Day" Only meant ironically.

Ditto Alarm Clock.

Rinehart wasn't even good enough to play "teams"? How bad IS he? Joe Bugel has made a ton of great linemen. If he sits the dude, Dude can't play.

Jackson didn't play because they spent a 2nd and a 6th on Taylor who played badly and a 7th on James who got cut.

Brennan played. he played Clipboard holder. He's the hope of the future, remember?

We SAW what Tryon could do in preseason. It was the most sickening thing to happen to a Redskin since Jansen's Ankle break.

Oh yeah. Kareem Moore played Sunday. In case you missed it he gave up the pass that lead to SF's winning field goal.

Vinny for CEO of Johnny Rockets.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

EEE-AY-ES-SU-DOMINAYYYYY...(WHAP!!)
OR-NA-AY-EESE-RE-QUI-EMMM...(WHAP!!!)

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

But Brown Does not Age,

He is Morocco Brown, the 3rd in command to the skins. Born in the Highlands of Hampton and he is still alive. He is immortal. For four hundred years he's been a intern... a low level scout... a wanderer; Constantly facing other Immortals in combat to the death. The winner takes his enemy's head and with it, his power. In the end there can be only one. May it be Morocco Brown, the 3rd in command.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

My BOLD prediction for the Super Bowl:

AFC: Miami Dolphins
NFC: Philadelphia Eagles

Eagles will win (darn it!)

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 2:28 PM

I don't know you, but I think that you're joking, or at least I hope so. I like the way the Dolphins are playing, but I can't see them in the super bowl, just can't.

Yeah I know its all about who "catches fire" at the right time, and right now those teams defintely are playing good football.

I don't know if you call call 'em one, but the Colts are my dark horse team. People aren't excited about them as they have in the past.

But I wouldn't be surprised to see the Eagles and Colts in the bowl.

Hmm, THOSE are my picks!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore vs Indy in a bowl game that will make the city north burn to the ground.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

For Punt returner, I would use Tryon, but if not I'd bring in the fasted undrafted FA after the draft. We should have gotten that kid that ran a 4.1 last year.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Brown's biggest attribute is he isn't Vinny.

I say we put Vinny on a tanker ship through the Persian Gulf and let the pirates have at him.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

cork, I got to, "Joe Bugel has made a ton of great linemen. If he sits the dude, Dude can't play"

Right. Becuase Jansen was just so money....right??

Wouldn't it have been more accurate of you to say, "Buges sticks with the vets, even if they suck"....

You should have just stopped at "I was drunk".....


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah. Kareem Moore played Sunday. In case you missed it he gave up the pass that lead to SF's winning field goal.

Posted by: TheCork

Looked to me Springs was playing man on the WR and Moore had deep responsibilities. When Springs got turned around, Moore stopped backpeddling and came up and made the tackle. TIVO baby.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

++++uh corky- this is the dumbest thing i've read on here all day:

...
Let's stick a 30 something, washed up, injury plagued, bad knees, slow, jelly belly tackle in the center spot.

Posted by: richard_cranium+++

Stick around, Growtnoll, you'll read dumber. Fr'instane when I analyze your post.

First off, the ENTIRE LINE save Heyer is 30 something.

Washed up? Mebbe. Mebbe not. But I'm not the moron who paid him a fortune in cap dollars to stick around. dead Moey don't block.

"Injury plagued." True that. Unlike Samuels Heyer and Thomas and Rabach the last couple of years.

"Bad knees" Actually, his knees are one of the parts of his body that still work. You must have him confused with the Redskins left Guard, Pete Kendall. Even I'm not that dumb.

"Jelly Belly" Sumo wrestling, offensive tackle, Mafioso--three positions where jelly belly is a requirement, not a disqualifier for employment.

See? Mine wasn't the dumbest post here (so far), your response was.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I say we put Vinny on a tanker ship through the Persian Gulf and let the pirates have at him.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

And after they make him VP of the Pirates he will promptly lead them to a streak of failing to capture 14 cruse ships

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Brown's biggest attribute is he isn't Vinny.

I say we put Vinny on a tanker ship through the Persian Gulf and let the pirates have at him.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 30, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse


Pirates only attack things with some value. In this case what would be their motivation?

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Gweez had a better reply then i did. Tip of the hat.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

HEY CORK

you got something to say to me????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

cork, Jansen has never played center in the Pro's, or College for that matter, but you're wanting to move him there, when the team has a perfectly capable center already on the team, and then you're defending this position?

Seriously.....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Looked to me Springs was playing man on the WR and Moore had deep responsibilities. When Springs got turned around, Moore stopped backpeddling and came up and made the tackle. TIVO baby.

Posted by: TWISI +++

I'm sorry, is the Safety not allowed to cover the receiver when he comes over the middle?

II TIVOED but haven't watched it yet, so you may be right. In person, it appeared Moore was too far off him, perhaps unwilling to get beat deep..

I keep thinking that had Horton not been hurt, he'd have separated the receiver from the ball and his senses.

Wishful thinking perhaps. But I stand by my overall analysis. If a backup safety and a starting safety are all a draft class of ten players produced, fire the guy who drafted that class of ten. No FA's contributed this year, either.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg, what do you do with Jansen? Assume that he can't be cut due to cap hit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Have JJ lose a bunch of weight and have him play special teams

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

z, what I don't want to do is try him at another position he's NEVER played before.

I don't know that you do with Jansen, but Buges needs to open his eyes, and realize that he shouldn't be starting. How many times did Jansen "ole" a defender, and block air, as the guy ran by him.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

redmv, let it go man...it's not worth it...just let him be...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

My thinking isn't that the draft class is that good or bad ... but after 16 games, its UNKNOWN!!!

We have clarity on Brooks and Horton.

We know a bit about Thomas and Moore.

We know virtually nothing about Tryon, Reinhart, Jackson, Kelly, Brennan and Davis.

The Skins had 5 picks in the first 4 rounds. We know very little about any of them. And the little we do know, isn't great.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

cork, Jansen has never played center in the Pro's, or College for that matter, but you're wanting to move him there, when the team has a perfectly capable center already on the team, and then you're defending this position?

Seriously.....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++


As the lawyers would say, you are "assuming facts not in evidence."

Rabach was certainly NOT effective against big nose tackles. He was decent against guys hisown size, but there aren't many 295 pound interior defensive linemen around.

Also, Jansen WAS moved to backup center in the pre-season. It was in all the papers. I don't recall if the experiment ended because of Heyer's injury, or because Jansen was ineffective or they thought Geissinger could play there.

I'm suggesting it as a alternate possibility to eating the cap money. I'd also be willing to see Jansen as a multi-position backup. But unless he gets much healthier and returns to form, NOT as a starter.

Please share your wisdom on Cerrato running Johnny Rockets.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

corky-
let me guess-
you're a woman
you're in your early 40's
you're a avid softball player
you're about 40lbs on the heavy side

Moving Jansen to center is the dumbest post of the day.

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Please share your wisdom on Cerrato running Johnny Rockets.

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

They would forever burn their fries

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Cork you're right on the fact that the draft class did little. Just saying the oft injured 11 year vet that will demand a big payday blew the coverage on the game clinching drive.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

We should just cut Jansen now and designate him a June 1 cut. Realistically we are not making a serious run next year and we need to start clearing the overpaid dead weight sooner rather than later. We were able to absorb a huge cap hit when we traded Coles for Moss. It sucks and will hinder free agency some but has to be done at some point.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | December 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato could be put in charge guarding a empty box, and his sole job could be making sure the box is empty, the entire box would be found full of human waste after about an hour.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Greg, we all pretty much agree that Jansen isn't a guy you want as your right tackle. But if his contract means you can't cut him, is there someplace that he can be useful?

Cork was saying it would be worth considering -- he wasn't saying this was some sort of magic bullet.

The Skins will need some 'outside the box' thinking if they are going to even tread water over the next few seasons. How to manage Jansen and his contract is one of the places the Skins will need to be creative.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the Skins:
1. Failed to make the playoffs
2. Failed to rebuild with youth
3. Failed to implement a major upgrade in the offense
4. Failed to resolve cap issues
5. Failed to retain 3 of 7 draft picks for 2009
6. Lost the respect gained during the Gibbs years

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, actually they really do, and it should be this year given the plethora of possibilities at OT. He can move to right tackle. His age, history of injuries (look how many times Heyer has been called to play left tackle) kind of indicates that it is way past time. This is the year to strike when the draft is deep.

Its not like he is going anywhere. He is a veteran you keep as much for the fact his contract is top loaded with guaranteed bonuses and pro-rated bonuses. His actual yearly salary is relatively small.

"Is like saying we need to draft the next Chris Samuels at OT+++"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the Skins:
1. Failed to make the playoffs
2. Failed to rebuild with youth
3. Failed to implement a major upgrade in the offense
4. Failed to resolve cap issues
5. Failed to retain 3 of 7 draft picks for 2009
6. Lost the respect gained during the Gibbs years

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse


AHA!!! But Dan did make millions of dollars. BURN!!!!

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Zcezcest you need to look at this from the Larry Michael point of view, when SJKing Danny's SJK.

In 2008, the Skins:
1. Succeeded to get Vinny a Radio Show
2. Succeeded in picking fights with every reporter in DC
3. Succeeded to not get Cooley the ball in the end-zone
4. Succeeded to wear all Red uniforms for the first time ever
5. Succeeded to trade draft picks for under achieving superstars
6. Gave the fans newfound respect for the Gibbs years

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Rabach was certainly NOT effective against big nose tackles. He was decent against guys hisown size, but there aren't many 295 pound interior defensive linemen around"

Here are some facts:

The redskins played the Cowboys twice, Cleveland, Pitt, Baltimore, so they had a total of 5 games versus teams that run a 3-4 defense.

In those 5 games they rushed for, from the start of the year, 161 versus Dallas, 193 versus Cleveland, 60 versus Pitt, 92 versus Dallas, and 62 versus Baltimore.

Versus teams that ran a 3-4 defense, the team averaged 113 yards on the ground.

I'd say that Rabach was pretty effective, wouldn't you???????

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Did I see some guttural latin here today or was it Spanish?

C-A-V-E CANEM means two things in latin ... what are they?

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Danny also extended his winning streak at racquetball. Forgot that one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Rabach has been fairly effective.

The problem on this line is age and significant injury. Jansen did have a ruptured achilles after all. Both Thomas and Samuels have suffered season ending injuries. It takes a toll. Kendall has arthritic knees that require him to rest on Wednesdays.

Rabach is the only guy who hasn't completely gone down.

Its time to replace the line with young draft picks. Not immediately, but as soon as they can come up to speed. THIS IS THE DRAFT TO DO IT IN. This is they year to sign whatever FA's on defense and focus the draft on this glaring problem.

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious Alex

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

And Six flags is doing great right. I mean he gets the "rocking new years eve" thing tomorrow night for that last day $$.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

We all know Vinnie, Larry, and Snidely Owl are cross dressers. What do you think they are doing when they say they are playing raquetball?


"Zcezcest you need to look at this from the Larry Michael point of view, when SJKing Danny's SJK.

In 2008, the Skins:
1. Succeeded to get Vinny a Radio Show
2. Succeeded in picking fights with every reporter in DC ... "

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't want to get political on the blog but I want to ask, Gordon Johndroe, whitehouse spokesman, who commented on the Israel war in Palestine. Are they so strapped for staff now that they have to higher a high-schooler to do their PR?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 30, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that Rabach was pretty effective, wouldn't you???????

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Did you see him get thrown around like a rag doll against the Ravens nose tackle?

Did you see how many times the center of the line got thrown back in third and one situations? It got so bad that the only way the Skins could get a yard was to call a draw play.

The Redskins gained most of their rushing yards on the outside of the line, due to the blocking of Samuels or Jansen.

This is a case of where your statistics dont back up your assertion.

Posted by: driley | December 30, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Danny's taken a pretty big hit $$$-wise. The Skins are a huge asset, but I get a sense that the value of the team isn't what is was just a couple years ago.

Much of what I read up here says the FedEx game day experience isn't great.

There are too many games where the other team shows up in huge numbers for me to think the season ticket holder fan base is loyal. My guess is that season ticket holders keep their season tix because they know they can sell them and make a buck.

If the tix become too available, then the season ticket holders won't make a buck reselling them. I doubt many season ticket holders are willing to lose $$$ on the games they don't go to.

The recession pushes this issue even harder.

If people can get game tix the week of the game without paying much of a premium, then the value of season tix diminishes. And the "wait list" crumbles.

There is a lot of speculation in all this, but a scenario where Danny is forced to sell the team isn't out of the question.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

He's not selling the team. Just stop with that. There are so many things we should be investing our hope in right now, so many things where positive change is possible... the ownership situation of the DC NFL franchise just does not seem to be among them. Sorry...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I aint sayin' Rabach is world beater but I'd put Center way down the list.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Happy Bday Nate.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

riley, sure, I saw those instances, but I also saw portis run for 175 against Cleveland, who has one of the best NT's in the business....

Also lots of centers struggle against Baltimore....

I'd be curioius to see where exactly the rushing yards came exactly, you know, actual stats to back up your claim of where the yards came from.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This is a case of where your statistics dont back up your assertion.

Posted by: driley

On top of that, 113 rush yards per game would put the team at 1808 for the year, in the bottom half of the league. He's far better against less big opponents.

And that's not including getting pushed in the pocket in pass-protection.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"On top of that, 113 rush yards per game"

the 113 per game was against 5 teams....you understood that right??

So the above stat about "1808 for the year", thats in your made up world right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Nate don't discount the Madoff factor. One Snyder's benefactor's Mort Zuckerman got fleeced and the trail of that scheme is still going.

Side note apparently Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgewick lost all their money to Madoff too...6 degrees of Kevin Bacon indeed

Beantown your getting far out on the limb today with your stock arguements. Sometimes I am with you, other times well...I hear the creaks lets just say that....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

i have yet to inform myself of this madoff story...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Dealer WHAT? DO you live in Osama's caves?

First you didn't know Romo dumped carrie underwood for Jessica simpson like 1.5 years ago and now you dont know Madoff???????????

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

cl, lol...sorry, I'll stop using facts, and make stuff up....

the redskins ran for 193 versus cleveland, so if you extrapolate that over 16 games, they'd have rushed for 3088 yards as a team, and portis would have rushed for 2800 yards in one season....


how'z that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

the 113 per game was against 5 teams....you understood that right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg

No, you're right, that went completely over my head. I had no idea you were just talking about 5 games.

Let me make is simpler for you: against those 5 teams with big NTs, we averaged 113 rush yards per game. Against every other team, we averaged 139 rush yards per game.

Is that simple enough?

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

i have yet to inform myself of this madoff story...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Summation:

Madoff scammed lots of rich people.

our hope is that he scammed Danny forcing him to sell the team to recover losses.

At which point RI will spring into action raising the Oh....billion dollars give or take and buy the team.

Posted by: Gweez | December 30, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,

I bet most of the running plays called by this offense are for the gaps created between guard and tackle or tackle and tight end. Very few plays were called for the 1 gap, which is between center and guard or the zero spot which is directly over the center. One of the commentators mentioned during Sean Alexander's debut game where he had trouble reading the blocks was that the Redskins blocking created more space on the outside parts of the line, not the gaps that Alexander was used to.

Note also the failure of the line to surge forward at the very heart of the line on short yardage situations, which caused Zorn to rely on a lot of one and two yard passes and draw plays. Zorn lost confidence on the line being able to gain any positive surge by mid season. Rabach may be adequate in situations where he is not forced to block a DT or NT but he seemed to have trouble moving the beefier people out of the way. By the same token I thought the work of Kendall and Thomas was far overrated this year as well.

Posted by: driley | December 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"On top of that, 113 rush yards per game would put the team at 1808 for the year"

See, you confused me by taking the stats from 5 games, and using it as a barometer for the entire year.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 30, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I know you just can't get your hopes up to 'danny selling the team' high, even if it is your birthday.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

See, you confused me by taking the stats from 5 games, and using it as a barometer for the entire year.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg

yes, as a tool to show you that 113 yards per game is not "pretty effective".

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"He's not selling the team. Just stop with that. There are so many things we should be investing our hope in right now, so many things where positive change is possible... the ownership situation of the DC NFL franchise just does not seem to be among them. Sorry..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX

AMEN, Nate! It blows my mind how people on the blog spend all day long writing about Snyder selling the team along the lines of "we musthave a new owner!" when we all know it's not going to happen! Wishing (and writing) about Snyder selling the team is wasting seconds of your life you will never get back.

I'm not a Snyder fan but we are stuck with him....either accept it or root for another team.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

thanks skinz...i just read robinson's editorial on madoff. cL, i guess the reason i missed it was because it's bunched in with the news of "what/how/why the f happened to the economy?"...it's so depressing...don't want to read it anymore...

i just want to know how the govt. will help those who make an honest living and didn't live beyond their means but see their home values plummet because of the people who didn't live within their means.

and the govt. won't. they can't. so this is what i think will happen and is happening more and more homeowners who actually can make their payments will leave their homes and either rent for a while and save. because cash is king and will be for a while. why should they pay $3000 and throw money in the pit when they can pay $1500 in rent and actually save money.

also it's not fair to blame the people who were buying homes either cuz look some bought in fear of their american dreams getting further and further away from them.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa Lisa Lisa --

Just pointing out that Danny has had plenty of $$$ to throw around. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a lot more squeezed than any of us realize.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Jay Glazer on WFAN talking about coaching vacancies, but towards the very end he talks about Zorn, Vinny and Snyder. His telling quote "it is a different place and personnel wise they are a bit behind" he is referring to the front office

Fire Vinny!!!!

http://podcast.wfan.com/wfan/1504935.mp3

Posted by: connskins | December 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, the Madoff scandal might be a blow this economy will go in the tank even more....its HUGE.

At work one of the charitable foundations that funds a project of mine as well as like MIT, NYC Public Libraries (Picower Foundation) was zeroed out due to Madoff...there went a $100,000 a year from my non profits budget.

I normally in the "lay back and take it" camp about snyder, his owning the skins is like the sun rising, but this Madoff scandal and its proximity to him has me holding onto ever so slight hope I wake up and see:

"Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, latest casualty in the 50 Billion dollar Madoff ponzi scam"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

i mean how in the world do you argue with a 10 year chart? common sense goes out the window when you see a chart going higher and higher for the last 10 years.

i think what i want to do is go back and read what people did during the great depression.

okay off my soapbox...speaking of soapboxes whatever happened to sfksin?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

SJK It! We'll do it LIVE!

There's no words here!

SJKing thing SUCKS!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Probably why she wrote that song and did the video where she used a baseball bat on a new truck and carved her initials into the leather seats ...

called "before you cheat" ...

wouldn't mind checking either one for ticks ... :)

"First you didn't know Romo dumped carrie underwood for Jessica simpson"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

cL, with our luck he was probly the one who pulled his money out right before this thing crashed and got even richer. he's probly thinking about buying the wizards and the caps. starting with the caps...trading ovi and 1st round pick for lemieux...

but yes, let's all hope snyder suffers the fate that majority of the americans have been suffering...depreciation of assets.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

cL, his whole empire was built on a Ponzi! New Economy my aunt Fannie (Mae?!)

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The nose tackle is pretty fricking amazin ...
He was all they needed to go with the linebackers and defensive backfield.

Still, I'd take the skins defense with Sean Taylor over that one in a heartbeat.

"Also lots of centers struggle against Baltimore...."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

really pyramid schemes are exhibit a that if someone really wanted to be rich at all cost they could be millionaires at the very least in no time.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The whole freakin' stock markets were all built on perception NOT assets. Who are we kidding here?

Silly boyz, trickz are for Baden[Ma]doff's not for kids sez Bullwinkle and Rocky.


"cL, his whole empire was built on a Ponzi! New Economy my aunt Fannie (Mae?!)"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

DickyShuttle,

Agreed, Snyder's money is basically dubious anyway....

- Phone cards to immigrants
- flying rich spoiled wasted college kids to spring break
- selling tellemarketing phone banks
- Other "marketing" plans that drive us all crazy

If he was 10 years younger his fortune would be built on being the "Spam King"...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Sallie Mae? And Loco Mullin with the weather report???

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Just saying that Danny MIGHT have some $$ issues. The value of this team has always been locked up in the tix waiting list. Huge demand, limited supply. Has that changed?

Combine having the biggest stadium in the league, an unpleasant game experience, a recession, no home playoff games and a mediocre product for many years -- wouldn't surprise me a bit if Snyder moved a long way on the supply/demand curve.

Snyder has also spent a lot of $$$ on the team and never banked PSL $$$.

Then add external factors (which we know very little about). A lot of $$$ has been lost in the past year. Did Danny get hit hard? Don't know.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse


I think she was hijacked by Lil' Abner and depression ensued.

"Whatever happened to Sallie Mae? "

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow....Mike Shanahan fired....

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse


new HC Washington Snidely Owls.

"Wow....Mike Shanahan fired...."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

didn't see Shanahan getting axed

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

should say -- didn't see it coming (Shanahan, that is)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

That said, Cowher and Denver would see to be a very good fit. I almost wonder if that's why the Broncos made the move, thinking Cowher might come back now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

www.nfl.com

shanahan fired

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow really...my apologies to TE as I disagreed that would happen...

Nice call TE!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

so far we have

cleveland
denver
detroit
jets

wow...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

does anybody else see the resemblance between snyder and jasno. They are the same guy. It was probably cerrato´s idea, some reverse psycology, just like drafting reverse needs.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | December 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

+++HEY CORK

you got something to say to me????

Posted by: TheTruth11+++


Depends. You carryin'?

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

+++Rabach is the only guy who hasn't completely gone down.

Posted by: periculum |+++


That's what SHE said...

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for the axe to fall in Dallas ... and New England ...

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse


These seem related? Thinking about New Years Eve Cork? Or ending up with Rosy as your date? Hopefully not.

"That's what SHE said...

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008

Depends. You carryin'?

Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

+++Fire Vinny!!!!


Posted by: connskins+++

Dang it. If I'd been smart enough to register that expression in August, when I wanted to, I'd be a rich man today on royalties.

Seriously, we can chitter and chatter about draft picks and draft choices and Rabach v Jansen and which of the ten draft picks sukkd the worst, but IN TRUTH, until they get professional help in evaluating talent and coaches for danny, this team is doomed---DOOMED I say---to continuing and continuous mediocrity.

I laugh to keep from crying.


Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Not Cincinnati?


"cleveland
denver
detroit
jets"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Cork you sound just like Feinstein.

This draft is EASY. All they have to do is draft OL. ON defense they got lucky with Blache and the current roster. They are very talented. The problem again is the FO. You can't let guys like Rogers and Campbell twist in the wind. They are YOUNG. You HAVE to keep them. Even at the expense of veterans, like Shawn Springs who I think does a lot for this team and Cornelius Griffin.

If they draft OL, JUST OL in this draft, and sign the guys they should to long-term contracts they may actually make a lot of headway. If they add someone like Haynesworth the sky their chances increase dramatically.

Zorn did make a lot of mistakes in time management etc. So did Gibbs in the beginning of Gibbs 2.0 and even 4 years later.

So, there is hope. But tenuous, fragile hope.

"IN TRUTH, until they get professional help in evaluating talent and coaches for danny, this team is doomed---DOOMED I say---to continuing and continuous mediocrity."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse


By the way. Tailgaters next to us at Candlestick were swilling white wine (a given) and cooking Lobster tails. Now THAT's classy.

Of course, on the way out, some drunken lout yelled at me, "Snyder sucks!"

I was shaking his hand and almost got run over by a dumptruck,


Posted by: TheCork | December 30, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | December 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Was drinking Palmina Arneis, had ahi egg rolls and ahi sashimi down here in Cayucos. All during that damned game. Does that qualify?

"Tailgaters next to us at Candlestick were swilling white wine (a given) and cooking Lobster tails. Now THAT's classy."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan just got the boot in Denver

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Mike Martz is also history as OC in SF.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Last year it wouldn't have surprised me if Shanahan got fired. This year even with his putrid defense I thought he was safe. Their offense is young and really good and they have something like ten draft choices to focus on the defense. If they improve the defense they are not far away from being really good.

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

So the firing of Shanahan means that three Super Bowl coaches are there for the wooing. Besides Shanahan, there's also Cowher and Billick. Mangini is to interview in Cleveland, Cowher with the Jets. Cowher might like the skiing in Colorado.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

And Holmgren and, potentially, Dungy.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Dick Jauron is safe in Buffalo....

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Think Snyder might get an itchy trigger finger with all these superbowl winning coaches on the street? Order of preference if he does?

1 - Holmgren
2 - Shanahan
3 - Cowher

Posted by: skinswest | December 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Denver fits the Cowher mode. A small town by NFL standards with great fan loyalty. Owner that sticks with his coach and doesn't meddle too much.

Bad weather. Weak division (could it get any weaker?). Half the team is good (offense) and lots of youth, so its not 'rebuild everything'. Team needs toughness, which Cowher knows.

Seems like a good fit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm,

One has to wonder if the earlier discussion about the state of Snidely Owl's finances might have a bearing on this? Consider this: Zorn and Vinnie are cheap. One of these guys very expensive. Perhaps prohibitively so.

Perhaps Snidely is no longer able to do the wild FA and coach spending of the past?

And they have to want to come badly enough ... and only money would cause that to happen.

Wonder why Oakland isn't on that list of teams seeing a new coach? Or Cincinnati?


"So the firing of Shanahan means that three Super Bowl coaches are there for the wooing. Besides Shanahan, there's also Cowher and Billick. Mangini is to interview in Cleveland, Cowher with the Jets. Cowher might like the skiing in Colorado.

And Holmgren and, potentially, Dungy.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 30, 2008"

"Think Snyder might get an itchy trigger finger with all these superbowl winning coaches on the street? Order of preference if he does?

1 - Holmgren
2 - Shanahan
3 - Cowher"

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

What is Snidely Owl really worth? Post crash, Post Madoff?

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The skins should think about bringing Martz as OF cordinater. He used to qb coach here

Posted by: thehogs | December 30, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Lets start the youth movement.
The following players should be released:

Thrash wr 33 yrs old
kendall og 35 yrs old
Daniels de 35 yrs old
Griffin dt 32 yrs old
Washington lb 31 yrs old
Springs cb 33 yrs old

All above players have injury issues and are on downside of careers. Skins would save money against the cap with cutting all above players. The replacements for these players are already on the roster.

Posted by: thehogs | December 30, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeesh, as soon as I saw the news on Shanahan, I have to admit, a small part of me contemplated the possibilities...

Upside-
1. Superbowl coach
2. Produced running back system that Portis thrived in
3. Perrenial Top 10 offense- sort of WC system, isn't it?
4. And the big one...would probably have enough clout to fire Vinny and hire a competant GM
Downside-
1. Most of his draft picks haven't worked out too well recently.
2. Yet another offensive system for Campbell and offense to absorb
3. Yet another blockbuster FA signing that always seems to come back and bite us in the a$$
4. Give Zorny a chance to put his stamp on the team before showing him the door.

So, probably shouldn't happen, but that's what this time of year is all about to Redskin fans...we dream of the possibilities and watch it implode for 17-18 weeks during the season.

But I'm not bitter or anything...

Posted by: DCinSD | December 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

And no to Martz please. I've seen enough of Campbell getting piledriven into the ground. Lots of potential yards in the best show on turf, but your line better be able to hold up against a constant pass rush without help or your QB's eating dirt all game.

Posted by: DCinSD | December 30, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan will wind up in KC.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Addendum to post above: Shanahan will wind up in KC after Herm is fired.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

at least the Hoyas gave me something to cheer about!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 30, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse


--thehogs

"Thrash wr 33 yrs old
kendall og 35 yrs old"

The above 2 do not impact the salary cap. Keeping
Kendall may make sense NOT AS STARTER. And he knows this. For example the backup center in Atlanta is former 'GIRLS center Stepnowski.

Thrash is a veteran who is still effective on the specials but probably should be replaced as the 2nd WR as clearly ARE should be cut as his salary does not matchup to a 3rd wide receiver.

"Daniels de 35 yrs old
Griffin dt 32 yrs old
Washington lb 31 yrs old
Springs cb 33 yrs old"

Yep, these are all potential salary cap victims.
Have to keep Carlos Rogers before Springs even though Springs is still better when he can play. If Springs took a pay cut then maybe ...

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that Priest Holmes is only 35, peri.

He would fit right in with the Washington GeriatriSkins.

Posted by: swowra | December 30, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Why can't I post???

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse


And John Elway was older when he took Denver to two superbowl wins.


"Don't forget that Priest Holmes is only 35, peri.

He would fit right in with the Washington GeriatriSkins."

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse


Donnaccias.

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the Shanahan firing.

Before I had said that the only coach I would want to fire Zorn for would be Bill Cowher.

I'm all over it now. F Zorn, F Vinny, bring in Shanahan to run the whole show. That's a true offensive mind.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Addendum to post above: Shanahan will wind up in KC after Herm is fired.

Posted by: Lisa_R


Dammmmit....

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"Addendum to post above: Shanahan will wind up in KC after Herm is fired.

Posted by: Lisa_R"

There are still da Raiders ... :)

Posted by: periculum | December 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I want the Shananan

I sick of Zorn


also..


don't know if anyone noticed but at one point one cracked out Cerato eye made it on the brodacast.. I saw on reuters three catholic nuns were watching and upon seeing Cerato's eye kidnapped an adult pair (?) of siamese twins and have been locked in the monestary refusing to go leave claiming asylum and they seem to believe .. well.. it's not good..

just another reason ..

Cerato must go!

Posted by: jrak1 | December 30, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a fool


Posted by: jrak1 | December 30, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

really it'll be interesting how salaries of coaches are affected due to the recession we're in.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

from what i've read i think cowher ends up with the jets...and if snyder wants him he ends up in washington which is only a couple of asela stops away from his daughters.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

In the Draft the Skins should:
first pick OT
second pick OG
third pick LB
fourth pick LB

Free agency:
starting LB
starting DT

pick up cheap young speed back

Posted by: thehogs | December 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

really it'll be interesting how salaries of coaches are affected due to the recession we're in.

Instead of a $5,000,000 contract, it'll be $4,999,999.99.

Posted by: daggar | December 30, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

at this point, i almost wish i was a detroit fan. this sounds really dumb, but they have alot more going for them. they have a great stadium, in their city, great gameday experience, and while their teams sucks, alot, they are committed to restarting and rebuilding. we are stuck. we will never be able to get to the next level because we will never accept breakingit down and having a 4-12 season to get over the hump. Detroit has a full complement of picks and 2 extra 1sts this year and next from dallas. if they trade out of the 1 spot to the 10 and get another pick in he 20 range, theycould draft a stud LB at 10 (maualuga), an interior d linemanvto protecet him and a franchise tackle in one round. then yo fill up the o line in rnd 2 and 4 and nab a good pass rusher in the 3rd. then you can draft role players in rounds 5-6-7, maybe more linemen. next year in round one you have two picks, a QB and RB, if they dont like smith, mabe another LB instead and with megatron your set at the skill positions. then fill out the D backfield/ lines in the rest of the rounds, and with afree agent or two detroit will be in the playoffs in 2-3 years.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | December 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

dfb, that's what i was trying to say earlier. i mean talk about clean slate in detroit. they very well could draft half their starters on both sides of the ball. like you said they could end up with 3 first round picks and additional 2nd/3rd round picks and so on...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"this sounds really dumb, but they have alot more going for them.

Posted by: DaFunBunch"

They don't have a lot more going for them. They have a lot more offseason toys to play with. That's not the same thing. They have 2 players currently on their roster that should be starters -- Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims. That's it. They have far, far, far fewer things going for them.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

++++
Thrash wr 33 yrs old
kendall og 35 yrs old
Daniels de 35 yrs old
Griffin dt 32 yrs old
Washington lb 31 yrs old
Springs cb 33 yrs old

The replacements for these players are already on the roster. ++++

Replacement players are on the roster? Thrash is a non-factor, but we only have 2 WRs that can play at this level. Who is there to replace Kendall? No one proven at this level. Daniels and Griffin are both likely to go, but Carter and Taylor are both more expensive under achievers. That's 4 DL that could go. Demetric Evans is the only DE at a reasonable price. We do have depth at DT, so Griffin's days are probably numbered.

Marcus Washington can go, but who is the replacement there? Blades? We're extremely thin there, as Fletcher is aging and Rocky's knees aren't the best.

Its going to be tricky for the Skins in there moves this off-season. We're not short on aging vets on the downside. We're very short on proven replacements

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

There were 6 teams that committed less than 20 turnovers in 2008. The Skins were one of them. The other 5 teams were an average of +11 in turnovers for the season. The Skins were 0.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1
yeah ur right. But Rhinhart can take kendall's place. Blades takes Washington's place. Hall takes springs. Smoot is the third corner. thomas/kelly takes Thrash place. Gholston/montgomery for the DT.

I think the skins should find a free agent LB to replace Washington. Also a free agent DT to replace Griffin

I dont think u lose much talent wise cutting those players. It's worth getting younger

Posted by: thehogs | December 30, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Cowher is not going to the Jets (or anywhere) according to ESPN's Mortensen. He told them "no thanks" same as he told the Browns. He really likes his television gig.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 30, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

hogs ... except we don't know anything about Reinhart because he didn't play a single play!! Blades can probably step up to take Washington's spot, but we have no depth at LB. Which is an issue with Fletcher's age and Rocky's knees.

I can see letting Springs go, he is expensive. The secondary was the strength of this team, so we'll need to decide how to play it. Springs may seem an obvious choice, but Hall and Rogers are both capable of going elsewhere, while Smoot is more of a depth guy at this point. There are 5 guys, we need to make sure we aren't left with 1+Tryon!!

At WR, the rookies didn't show they belonged on an NFL team. Cutting Thrash doesn't solve anything, we'll still need a #2 quality WR.

For DT, we're probably OK. Golston, Alexander and Montgomery are a good rotation. Griffin was a force, but that was a long time ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm -- very grudgingly -- moving slowly toward acceptance of bringing Haynesworth in.
It's too plashy a move for my tastes in general, but going back to the 2007 season, I can think of at least five games we win if we had reliable, consistent pressure on the final drive of the game -- and probably more that wouldn't get to that point with the right player in place. The rest of the defense is too solid to fritter away like this.
In the end, there isn't the kind of clear upgrade at DE or DT available in the draft -- the top five DE's are glorified linebackers ~250 lbs, and the DTs always seem to have a learning curve to deal with at first.
Landing him also allows the team to focus on the OL with their first pick.

Posted by: daggar | December 31, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I just glanced at Rinehart's combine page/draft analysis at nfl.com. Interesting reading in retrospect...
All-out battler with a solid work ethic, showing a good mental grasp of the game, quickly taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field...Hard worker in the weight room and does a nice job of using that power to deliver a jarring hand punch...Shows the explosion off the snap to easily seal the corner and has a "take no prisoners" approach taking on defenders, as he plays until the whistle and will not hesitate to punish him man
Compares To: LOGAN MANKINS-New England...Like Mankins, Rinehart is a collegiate tackle who might have a quicker route to a starting job at the professional level with a potential shift to offensive guard. He is a punishing trap blocker with good explosion getting out in front when pulling. He uses his strength well to sustain and widen rush lanes, but must work on bending more at the knees than at the waist. He has a hand punch that will shock and jolt an opponent, showing improvement placing those hands as a senior than he did in the past. In isolated coverage, he will dominate a smaller opponent. With his body control and ability to square up and wall off second level defenders, he could bring immediate value with a possible shift in-line.
So, my big takeaway from this is that he sounds like a solid pro prospect, but would need a while to get exposed to the speed of the pro game -- the biggest problem with coming from a lower division school is that he never saw anyone so fast as the slowest NFL-caliber DL.

Posted by: daggar | December 31, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Time for my end of year assessment of ... me. Yup, I man up.

On the bad call side, I did like the acquisition of Jason Taylor, though in the context of other moves to make a strong playoff run. The other moves never happened. I also expressed concerns about playing him out of his best position (a la Chris Doleman in SF). Clearly, Taylor is a bust. We could have used the cap space to restructure other contracts and the picks we gave up are a problem for the future. The playoffs run that a 2006 version of JT would have brought, never happened. Ultimately, Talyor was a bad move, on 3 fronts.

Another bad call was on DeAngelo Hall. I felt he was too risky, that team chemistry suffers when you have more 'me first' players. Hall played well. That 'me first' issue may yet play out, but not in 2008.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

My end of year assessment of ... me, continued ...

I predicted a 10-6 record, based on a strong defense and a modestly improved offense. Pretty close. The defense was strong, the improved offense, not so much.

There was plenty of stuff I did call.

I pushed strongly for the Skins to acquire Anquan Boldin, knowing he'd be expensive. Boldin would turn an obvious weakness into a strength. Turned out the weakness at WR was even worse than the pessimists thought. Meanwhile, Boldin is a Pro Bowl starter.

I also suggested the draft picks I'd like to see in April (they had 9 at the time)
O-line 4 picks
d-line 2 picks
WR or DB 1 pick
LB 2 picks
No picks: QB, TE, RB or special teams

Couldn't have been better on that one. LB depth was an issue after Marcus went down. OL is obvious (in 2007, I said the Skins should consider using all their picks on the OL). DE was also a weakness, notably Carter and Taylor.

Though I clearly preferred Boldin (or Houshmandzadeh) I did support picking the two WRs. Hoping that 2 picks would get us 1 guy who'd be ready in 2009. Doesn't look that way. I was especially critical of the TE, QB and punter pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

My end of year assessment of ... me, continued ...

On the HC, I was firmly in the GG camp. But I equivocated on the Zorn hire. While the hiring process showed the front office out to be buffoons, Zorn was too much of an unknown for me to make a call. Ironically, he sort of lived up to my thought ... he remains an unknown.

I suggested an RB rotation with Betts being the feature back for 4 games and Portis for 12. Said Portis gets too beat up over 16 games. Wanted Portis strong for December. Portis was clearly weaker in the second half, and it wasn't only the OL. Notably, other teams did very well with RB rotations this year.

In the big picture, I was the first to suggest that the Skins were trying to be a playoff team and rebuilding with youth -- and that by trying to accomplish both, they could instead accomplish neither. Which is exactly what happened.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

My end of year assessment of ... me, continued ...

On Jason Campbell, I'm in the pro-Campbell camp. I hoped he would be a top 10-ish QB. While he finished 19th in passer rating, he was just 3 points from 11th. The one long TD throw to Thomas called back on the Heyer penalty (which had nothing to do with the play) would have put Campbell into 11th. Plus Campbell was an effective runner.

I hated the extension of Portis as much as I hated the Jansen extension, which is to say, a lot.

I know I'm leaving out my call on the obvious, most momentous decision of all. Leigh Torrence.

Overall, I give myself a A-. Jason Taylor was my one really bad call, though my concerns about him out of position were warranted. My draft call and wanting to trade for a top possession WR were both dead on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

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