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Posted at 8:13 AM ET, 12/20/2010

Redskins vs. Cowboys: Defense not helped by early breakdowns on special teams, offense

By Jason Reid

Washington's last-ranked defense needs as much help as it can get, and the team's offense and kickoff and punt coverage units provided little early in Sunday's 33-30 loss to Dallas at Cowboys Stadium.

"We haven't really put a whole game together - offense, defense, special teams," cornerback Carlos Rogers said. "As you could see today, we couldn't really stop 'em first half. Then with special teams, they didn't give us no good field position.

"And ain't never seen our special teams, our kickoff teams or our punt teams, allow somebody to get down the field like that. You just don't see that from us."

The Cowboys returned the game's opening kickoff 38 yards, started their first drive at their 46-yard line and eventually kicked a 42-yard field goal to take a 3-0 lead. On the Redskins' first possession, they ran three plays and punted, and Dallas returned the punt 31 yards.

Dallas began at Washington's 30-yard line and was stopped on fourth and goal at the 1-yard line. Quarterback Rex Grossman - who impressed overall in a four-touchdown performance during his first start since the 2008 season - threw an interception on the next possession, Dallas started at Washington's 27 and scored a touchdown to take a 10-0 lead.

"We usually don't have those types of problems" with their coverage teams, said outside linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, who also has played a major role this season on Washington's special team units. "Dallas kept getting great field position, and that makes it harder for the defense. But the bottom line is you just have to stop them and, obviously, we weren't able to do it enough."

By Jason Reid  | December 20, 2010; 8:13 AM ET
 
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I enjoyed yesterday's game and my belief in the HC and GM are as strong as ever.

Color me pleased.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 8:05 AM


So let me get this straight...seeing Rex Grossman play a decent game makes you happy? You feel good knowing he could give you basically the same thing McNabb could? You're cool with the fact that we basically GAVE a 2nd and a 4th round pick to a division rival that--in case you haven't noticed--doesn't need the help? It's OK in your mind that we have THE EXACT LAUNDRY LIST OF NEEDS AS LAST OFFSEASON and 3 less picks to to fill those holes?

You'll exuse me if I don't share in your enthusiasm...moral victories are for September...I expect improvement in December and we haven't seen that AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Ain't that the truth.
Looks like Teams = Practice Squad at this point in the season.
And Barnes at Safety... wow, just wow. Do we still have 53 on the roster?

Posted by: daggar | December 20, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather watch Rex Grossman play like Rex Grossman than watch Donovan McNabb play like Rex Grossman.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I enjoyed yesterday's game and my belief in the HC and GM are as strong as ever.

Color me pleased.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 8:05 AM


So let me get this straight...seeing Rex Grossman play a decent game makes you happy? You feel good knowing he could give you basically the same thing McNabb could? You're cool with the fact that we basically GAVE a 2nd and a 4th round pick to a division rival that--in case you haven't noticed--doesn't need the help? It's OK in your mind that we have THE EXACT LAUNDRY LIST OF NEEDS AS LAST OFFSEASON and 3 less picks to to fill those holes?

You'll exuse me if I don't share in your enthusiasm...moral victories are for September...I expect improvement in December and we haven't seen that AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:27 AM |

Hey Brown, I'm not concerned with your little laundry list. You sound like a total 'tard trying to tell me what I'm thinking by my comment that I am pleased with the GM and the HC.

This team wasn't going anywhere without a true GM - we have that now. This team wasn't going to go anywhere without a proven HC - we have that now.

That's all I said. Go split hairs with someone else. You taking me to task on on opinion that I've held all year is pretty stupid. It's the main part of changing this team the right way.

Go piss on your own corn flakes asshat. Also, since you're clearly not sophisticated to pick this up in the coach's comments, this draft pick/Mc5 scenario was not a Shanny move and I don't even think it wan an Allen move - This was a "Snyder doesn't want JC anymore" move.

Dude, is it that hard to see? Go have another cup of coffee or something.

You can go have a crappy morning but I am pleased with what I saw and Shanny is going to get this team back to winning within 2 years. That alone is going to be an AMAZING achievement.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

You'll exuse me if I don't share in your enthusiasm...moral victories are for September...I expect improvement in December and we haven't seen that AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

You haven't seen improvement? How about a change at QB that gave this offense some life. How about a running game that can gain 10 yard bursts at will. Even this crappy Oline is playing better. AA is turning into a #2. Kevin Barnes had a good game yesterday. The kind of 'improvement' that you are looking for is unrealistic right now, these new schemes will take baby steps. The rest of the improvement won't happen until more players are purged from this roster and some talented youth is brought in.

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight...seeing Rex Grossman play a decent game makes you happy? You feel good knowing he could give you basically the same thing McNabb could? You're cool with the fact that we basically GAVE a 2nd and a 4th round pick to a division rival that--in case you haven't noticed--doesn't need the help? It's OK in your mind that we have THE EXACT LAUNDRY LIST OF NEEDS AS LAST OFFSEASON and 3 less picks to to fill those holes?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse


The answer is No. I'm not cool with any of that (except Skippy McShorthop shining the pine)

Here are some things that I'm also not cool with:

Letting Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark go.
WR-TE-WR
Signing Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith and Mark Carrier
Paying Money to see Jerry MacGuire
The Vanilla Ice haircut I'm rocking in my high school yearbook picture.

What to all of these have in common? They all happened and we can't do anything about it.

Move forward.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight...seeing Rex Grossman play a decent game makes you happy? You feel good knowing he could give you basically the same thing McNabb could?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:32 AM

Let me know when McNabb throws for 4 TDs, converts 2 2PT conversions, and goes 4-4 in the red zone and we'll call it basically the same thing.

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem. Rex and his superior knowledge of the O can be a good bridge to our QB of the future and McNabb can sit on our roster and wait to be traded or be cut the day before the 1st game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

4 passing Touchdowns
2 converted two-point conversions
30 points!

I don't give a damn about who's feelings were hurt...FINALLY...at least for one day we looked like an NFL offense!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

"this draft pick/Mc5 scenario was not a Shanny move and I don't even think it wan an Allen move - This was a "Snyder doesn't want JC anymore" move"

Nice....you just can't make this stuff up...or, thats exactly what this is...either one, hilarious/assinine at the same time...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight...seeing Rex Grossman play a decent game makes you happy? You feel good knowing he could give you basically the same thing McNabb could?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:32 AM

Let me know when McNabb throws for 4 TDs, converts 2 2PT conversions, and goes 4-4 in the red zone and we'll call it basically the same thing.

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem. Rex and his superior knowledge of the O can be a good bridge to our QB of the future and McNabb can sit on our roster and wait to be traded or be cut the day before the 1st game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM |

(Marv Albert voice):

WITH THE FACIAL!!!!!

Amen dude.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

ha, brown, nicely played, I just don't have the angst any longer...great, Rex played an ok game, stats are for losers/fantasy geeks...they still lost the game, so the end result was the same.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 8:37 AM


I'm numb to the Skins right now...didn't even watch the game yesterday, which is why I'm holding off from commenting on Rex's performance. Looks like he did some good things, but didn't exactly shake his label "The Human Turnover" either. I'm just exausted from trying to find a silver lining in losses...

PF, slow your roll...all I said is that I don't share your enthusiasm after a loss to our hated rival. If you get joygasms off a mediocre journeyman throwing 4 TDs, then be my guest. Wake me up when Preseason 2.0 is over and we're gearing up for the draft...if we even have any picks left...

monk, bottom line we lost to our hated rival. A rival that to date, has had a worst season than we have. Now it looks like they'll pass us in the standings and we get to resume the position in the basement. Hard to see that as improvement, my friend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Once again, our DLine sucks and gave up way too much ground in the running game. I know they stopped Dallas in the redzone on a couple of the drives, but forcing more 3 and outs means they won't have to be like a rat in the corner and have to come up with a major stop down there.

The OLine has blocked a little better in the last couple games, which tells me the DLine problems are the BIGGEST need in the offseason. Sure, both G positions need to be upgraded, but there's something to be said about chemistry and playing alongside someone for an extended period of time! Bigger stronger DE's and a mountain of a man at NT in the offseason, 'Monk it down!'.

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


I told you morons that the cream ALWAYS rises to the top! Dallas is on the rise and NOBODY can say the same about the putrid Redskins. That team is in disarray from top to bottom.

Is it true that the Redskins have the oldest roster in the league but are constantly trotting out the tired excuse about "rebuilding" to explain away their losing?

Lawd, Have Mercy.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | December 20, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

PF, slow your roll...all I said is that I don't share your enthusiasm after a loss to our hated rival. If you get joygasms off a mediocre journeyman throwing 4 TDs, then be my guest. Wake me up when Preseason 2.0 is over and we're gearing up for the draft...if we even have any picks left...

monk, bottom line we lost to our hated rival. A rival that to date, has had a worst season than we have. Now it looks like they'll pass us in the standings and we get to resume the position in the basement. Hard to see that as improvement, my friend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:52 AM |

Brown, you're retarded. You didn't watch the game so shut your piehole dooshbag.

Let me extrapolate my main thought(s) so someone incapable of taking something at face value (such as yourself) can more easily understand.

I watched the game.

We were at a steep personnel disadvantage.

Started slow but got into a groove.

I saw a team with nothing to play for fight back when they were completely and entirely out of the game.

When a team stays in a game like that, you have to give credit to the coaching staff.

I liked what I saw.

End of story.

Is that okay with you? You said you didn't even watch the game yet you come in here and piss on my parade?

You are one unhappy man (which only makes me happier).

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Let me know when McNabb throws for 4 TDs, converts 2 2PT conversions, and goes 4-4 in the red zone and we'll call it basically the same thing.

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem. Rex and his superior knowledge of the O can be a good bridge to our QB of the future and McNabb can sit on our roster and wait to be traded or be cut the day before the 1st game.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM


LOL...this is rich. So that 30 points the Skins scored in Rex's start vs. McNabb's highest output (28 against the Eagles) does it for you? Two whole points? Wow...

Both were losses, by the way.

And then to top it off with "it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem"...seems to me, Rex got sacked 5 times and turned it over 3 times. Hardly the stuff of "I told you so".

I'll grant you that Rex looked good in spots...especially in the red zone. But Shanahan comes away with egg on his face either way. If Rex had this in him all along, Shanahan burned a 2nd and a 4th on a guy he didn't need--strengthening a division rival in the process. I'll wait for the part I'm supposed to be excited about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM

This statement could serve as the Cliff Notes on what we learned about the offense yesterday.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 20, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I told you morons that the cream ALWAYS rises to the top! Dallas is on the rise and NOBODY can say the same about the putrid Redskins. That team is in disarray from top to bottom.

Lawd, Have Mercy.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | December 20, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse


Better 5-9 team = Gold medal at the Special Olympics.

Warmly,
etrod.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow PF...if this is you happy, I'd hate to see you upset. Go have a Snickers, dude...you're playin' like Betty White right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I told you morons that the cream ALWAYS rises to the top! Dallas is on the rise and NOBODY can say the same about the putrid Redskins. That team is in disarray from top to bottom.

Is it true that the Redskins have the oldest roster in the league but are constantly trotting out the tired excuse about "rebuilding" to explain away their losing?

Lawd, Have Mercy.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | December 20, 2010 8:57 AM |

You should read how the Dallas reporters still consider the Cowfagggots a team of retards. The only cream rising to the top is the nut I busted in your mom's 'gina and on her gums.

Read for yourself Dooshy McDoosh:

Taylor: Win over rivals is nice, but 'dumb' Cowboys keep struggling

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Gee, some days it seems like the Redskins have so many holes they will never get them all plugged.

-I like Barnes at free safety better than Moore. Granted, the kid is new to the spot, but he is not afraid to make a tackle, which is a step up from Moore. Of course, this adds questions to the depth at corner, of which the questions are legion.

-Linebacker depth is a worry because there is not much out there if the starters get hurt. Chris Wilson hasn't been half as good as I thought he would be. HB Blades is a slower, less physical version of London Fletcher. Riley is just a guy.

-Is there another receiver on the roster besides Moss and Armstrong? I was expecting Austin and Banks to get more shots, but nada. Are these guys just not that good or have they been benched by situation?

-I wouldn't annoint Grossman quite yet. Though I think he proved that McNabb wasn't all that we thought he could be, the end result was still a loss. A QB has to win above all else. Campbell could put up good stats, but he couldn't close the deal. Let's see the Beck audition.

-The team needs to get younger on the defensive line. Would like to see them get real young there next year. Although a 3-4 nose tackle is tough to find and expensive to keep, 3-4 defensive ends are different ball of twine. I would expect to see a ton of guys lining up for the shot next year. Daniels and Holiday have been good fill-ins but the team should say thanks for the memories in the offseason.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 8:54 AM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

bw26 & bean not watching games and yet feel the need to not only comment but give their opinions like it's a fact.

Here is a fact. You didn't watch the game, so sit this one out. It's embarrassing..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, let me know if you want to watch the game, you'll be more entertained than you think.
It could be viewed on nfl.com in about 30min with my user id and pw.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 20, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Let me know when McNabb throws for 4 TDs, converts 2 2PT conversions, and goes 4-4 in the red zone and we'll call it basically the same thing.

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem. Rex and his superior knowledge of the O can be a good bridge to our QB of the future and McNabb can sit on our roster and wait to be traded or be cut the day before the 1st game.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM


LOL...this is rich. So that 30 points the Skins scored in Rex's start vs. McNabb's highest output (28 against the Eagles) does it for you? Two whole points? Wow...

Both were losses, by the way.

And then to top it off with "it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem"...seems to me, Rex got sacked 5 times and turned it over 3 times. Hardly the stuff of "I told you so".

I'll grant you that Rex looked good in spots...especially in the red zone. But Shanahan comes away with egg on his face either way. If Rex had this in him all along, Shanahan burned a 2nd and a 4th on a guy he didn't need--strengthening a division rival in the process. I'll wait for the part I'm supposed to be excited about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:00 AM
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The draft picks traded to the Eagles are as good as gone. McNabb is as good as gone. Hindsight is 20-20, Brown, and I suppose there are a lot of things that Shanahan did early in his tenure that he would like "do-overs" for. Write it off as a coach who had no experience with his personnel and an ego that whispered in his ear that he could change the deficiencies in a player that had been cultivated for half a lifetime.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Here is a fact. You didn't watch the game, so sit this one out. It's embarrassing.."


watched it on atdhe.net, actually...wanna try it again...speaking of embarrassing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

-I like Barnes at free safety better than Moore. Granted, the kid is new to the spot, but he is not afraid to make a tackle, which is a step up from Moore. Of course, this adds questions to the depth at corner, of which the questions are legion.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM

I thought he had a strong first showing too, but he has GOT to improve his tackling technique. Bending at the waist and leading with the crown of his helmet when he's caught flat-footed is going to lead to major injury sooner or later.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 20, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

monk, bottom line we lost to our hated rival. A rival that to date, has had a worst season than we have. Now it looks like they'll pass us in the standings and we get to resume the position in the basement. Hard to see that as improvement, my friend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

What is it you expected? A major blowout or something? You should know that divisional games, especially those against Dallas, are usually close and competitive regardless of record. Sure, I would agree that Dallas has had a worse season than us, but as of right now they are a better team than us, and if they were playing like this the whole year they'd be the ones leading the East. We fell behind and rallied around each other, especially a QB that hasn't started in 2 or 3 years. Give them a break, this WAS a step forward, maybe you should lower your standards when avaluating them. In fact, if everyone hadn't gotten their hopes up and nutted all over McNabb when we started the season then maybe people wouldn't be so hard on them for failing in the FIRST YEAR of a new coach on both sides of the ball and new schemes all around!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else think Perry Riley is going to be a player?

I liked what I saw from him yesterday.

I liked Barnes. He's going to get better too.

AA is a keeper as a #2 or #3 at worst.

I liked the play calling as well.


This is the second week in a row where we showed we could play with our opponent but came up short thus preserving our draft status.

BTW, Buffalo and Detroit and Carolina all won yesterday.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The draft picks traded to the Eagles are as good as gone. McNabb is as good as gone. Hindsight is 20-20, Brown, and I suppose there are a lot of things that Shanahan did early in his tenure that he would like "do-overs" for. Write it off as a coach who had no experience with his personnel and an ego that whispered in his ear that he could change the deficiencies in a player that had been cultivated for half a lifetime.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:13 AM


Just once, I'd like to see a new coach come in and instead of jump on the phones to make trades, go to the film room instead and figure out what you've got here. This "leap before you look" bullsh*t has killed the last two regimes and it's completely unnecessary.

Diesel, I specifically said I'm not commenting on the game itself since I didn't see it. Excuse me for not shelling out money I don't have to go see it in a bar when clearly the season is over...

So unless you're gonna arrest me Blog Police, I'ma play on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Rex is not the answer but more importantly it showed that McNabb was a huge part of the problem. Rex and his superior knowledge of the O can be a good bridge to our QB of the future and McNabb can sit on our roster and wait to be traded or be cut the day before the 1st game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM

Diesel - you and I see this the same way. I'm still not sure why we were banging heads last night.

Posted by: edvar | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Here is a fact. You didn't watch the game, so sit this one out. It's embarrassing.."

watched it on atdhe.net, actually...wanna try it again...speaking of embarrassing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

bw26 didn't watch and you have a habit of not watching....Fact

Go ahead and praise the Packers for losing and then come up here with your sandy vagina act about the Skins. It's all quite tiring..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

just to clarify something...the Redskins still lost right...I mean, not much else matters at this point, stats are for losers...they STILL LOST...so great they looked good....friggin awesome..they're 5-9 and once again, will finish LAST in the NFC East....hooray!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Add to the list of high draft pick needs - free safety. Kareem Moore misses a half dozen tackles per game that all lead to first downs or TDs. I never believed the hype he received from OTAs (where you don't have to tackle). He's the biggest weakness on our defense, because he's supposed to be the backstop who PREVENTS big plays, not gives them up on a consistent basis.

Posted by: Section104 | December 20, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Perry Riley had a decent game, especially those 2 tackles he made at the end of the game to force the Cowpies to punt!

I didn't see Austin on the field much, just a few times. But I was happy to see Jeremy Jarmon on the field more. Now we just need to get Capers and Cook on the field.

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

This is the second week in a row where we showed we could play with our opponent but came up short thus preserving our draft status.

BTW, Buffalo and Detroit and Carolina all won yesterday.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM


Wow...so you wanna jump on me for not blowing sunshine after a loss, yet you can come up here engaging in loser talk like this? I wouldn't want your nerve in a tooth...if you're so confident in Shanahan, then what difference does it make if we pick 5th or 15th? I mean, he's brilliant so we'll get a stud either way, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Go ahead and praise the Packers for losing and then come up here with your sandy vagina act about the Skins. It's all quite tiring"

yeah, sorry about that dies...The REDSKINS ARE AWESOME...they looked great in losing they're gonna DOMINATE last place in their division ONCE AGAIN...how's that??

you've been whining all morning but I'm the one with the sandy vag...ok...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I expect improvement in December and we haven't seen that AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26
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30 points is an improvement. More than #5 ever put up here even with all the same issues of OL, The D, dropped passes etc. While I agree with you that December isn't really the time to see this, at least we finally saw improvement in some form. Rex is not the answer but it should be clear now that #5 is what every Iggle fan told us we were getting.

Posted by: splitbill | December 20, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

bw26 didn't watch and you have a habit of not watching....Fact

Go ahead and praise the Packers for losing and then come up here with your sandy vagina act about the Skins. It's all quite tiring..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 9:22 AM |

Maybe it's the coffee or that I got into my office before 8am today....but Diesel is cracking me up.

Yeah, the Skins lost - BFD. I enjoyed what I was watching given the drastic personnel disparity. We ARE still playing for something you know - a first round draft pick which got a little better yesterday.

Chin up people, just because your lives suck doesn't mean you have to drink the h8terade EVERY Monday morning.

Jesus.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't care if our QB scores touchdowns, I care if our offense does and our QB helps with that. So that said, I find it hilarious that people are pretending as if our offense NEVER looked good or put up 3-4 touchdowns in a game. Just goes to show that Operation Make McNabb the scapegoat" after weeks of overall bad team play is working. I'll tell ya what...if McNabb was under center yesterday and our offense started the way it did, there would not be this much praise. This could have pretty much been the Eagles game all over again except the Cowboys shot themselves in the foot over and over...and over

Posted by: smooth700 | December 20, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

bw26 didn't watch and you have a habit of not watching....Fact

Go ahead and praise the Packers for losing and then come up here with your sandy vagina act about the Skins. It's all quite tiring..


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 9:22 AM


FACT: You have NO idea what you're talking about.

This was the first game I've missed since the '08 season. I've got highlights and insights to pour over to gain an understanding of what happened with the game yesterday...unless you have a spy cam in my living room, you're talking out your ass about what I'm doing when you don't even know me.

And what are you talking about with the Packer? I haven't said a word about the Packers. Get a clue, dude...you're making yourself look retarded...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Just once, I'd like to see a new coach come in and instead of jump on the phones to make trades, go to the film room instead and figure out what you've got here. This "leap before you look" bullsh*t has killed the last two regimes and it's completely unnecessary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM
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I think when you are a head coach in the NFL you have to have a big ego. Sometimes that gets in the way of making good decisions because the coach thinks he can "mold a player" that is essentially not moldable. I think Shanny fell for that with McNabb.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


I told you morons that the cream ALWAYS rises to the top! Dallas is on the rise and NOBODY can say the same about the putrid Redskins. That team is in disarray from top to bottom.

Is it true that the Redskins have the oldest roster in the league but are constantly trotting out the tired excuse about "rebuilding" to explain away their losing?

Lawd, Have Mercy.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | December 20, 2010 8:57 AM

he-he-he, good one, joe!

the washington foreskins ('skins for short) are bad, bad, bad with absolutely no hope of being better anytime soon due to age, huge contracts, bad coaching, stupid owner, etc. gotta love it!

in the words of shaq to kobe: tell me how my azz tastes!

he-he-he!!

Posted by: 10peterbilt | December 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

What to all of these have in common? They all happened and we can't do anything about it.

Move forward.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 8:48 AM

STAMPED

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

brown, that was directed at me, I said that BJ Raji looked good last night, as did the packers......he's on a roll this morning...just let him go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

greg, not sure what a win would have accomplished except maybe a moral victory.

The reality is MS made a huge mistake on Easter and to compound that mistake by continuing to play DM5 would have been idiotic.

He also made a mistake thinking that he had players on this team. I would rather he realizes that he made mistakes and moves forward to correct them now then to let his ego think he can win with these players even if he brought them in.

He pissed away the year, but what you gonna do at this point? Keep doing the same thing? Definition of insanity or what not don't ya think?

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

This is the second week in a row where we showed we could play with our opponent but came up short thus preserving our draft status.

BTW, Buffalo and Detroit and Carolina all won yesterday.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:20 AM


Wow...so you wanna jump on me for not blowing sunshine after a loss, yet you can come up here engaging in loser talk like this? I wouldn't want your nerve in a tooth...if you're so confident in Shanahan, then what difference does it make if we pick 5th or 15th? I mean, he's brilliant so we'll get a stud either way, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:28 AM |

Dude,

YOU ARE SUCH A PIECE OF VAGINAL DISCHARGE.

You're a total neg-head and then you cry when someone crushes you because of your pissy attitude.

You suck balls and your negativity is clearly a direct reflection of how crappy your life is.

I'm happier than ever now. Thank you brownteeth.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The Skins lost, because they were beat in two phases of the game: Special Teams and Defense...

Posted by: siris | December 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the Skins lost - BFD. I enjoyed what I was watching given the drastic personnel disparity. We ARE still playing for something you know - a first round draft pick which got a little better yesterday.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:35 AM


Just can't make this stuff up...

"Yay! We lost to a 5-win team by 3 points instead of 30! And we might jump ahead of Buffalo and Detroit in the draft order! Hooray Beer!"

Whatever helps you sleep through the night, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Perry Riley had a decent game, especially those 2 tackles he made at the end of the game to force the Cowpies to punt!

I didn't see Austin on the field much, just a few times. But I was happy to see Jeremy Jarmon on the field more. Now we just need to get Capers and Cook on the field.

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 9:26 AM
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Riley was out of position more often than not. You can't free lance in this defense. What I saw with the linebackers was a bunch of guys running around and a Dallas team that hung over 130 rushing yards on them. That's not even to mention the breakdowns in pass coverage. The tight end sometimes falls to the linebackers for coverage and Whitten had 140 yards receiving. Linebacker play was poor.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

So what's the RI ruling on if you watched the game...but don't remember anything that happened?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

the o line is absolute garbage

im not one to be happy w/ any kind of loss to dallas, but this is evaluation time and to see a bunch of back-ups come back from 20 down was good to see

yes, we lost, yes we suck

but we covered the spread and whoever bet on dallas lost money

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 20, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

So what's the RI ruling on if you watched the game...but don't remember anything that happened?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 9:43 AM

Find an AA meeting at a local church or rec. center tonight.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 20, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm numb to the Skins right now...didn't even watch the game yesterday

Posted by: brownwood26

What can Brown do for you? He can shut the hell up until he watches the game.Sheesh...

Posted by: smittdiddy | December 20, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Yay! We lost to a 5-win team by 3 points instead of 30! And we might jump ahead of Buffalo and Detroit in the draft order! Hooray Beer!"

Whatever helps you sleep through the night, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:42 AM |

So now you're telling me that I should be pissed no matter what?

Dude, it must suck being you.

Don't you get laid, ever? Don't you let yourself enjoy a decent effort by an outmatched team during yet another bad year? Don't you have enough going on right in your life that you're able to get that crying every Monday gets you no closer to enjoying a good team and that this is going to take YEARS, not weeks or months and certainly not with the personnel we currently have (save for a few peeps)?

Go back to being a freaking homo loser. I liked what I saw yesterday relative to the majority of other games this season.

I don't get why you can't get that. I guess there really are some homeless people out there with an internet connection.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Time to put the LoAlexander OLB experiment to rest. Put him back DE.

Keep Perry Riley in their full time.

Now I understand what the coaches are saying. Donovan McNabb = Brett Favre.....You can't teach an old dog new tricks....He is who he is....and that's not what Shanny Jr is trying to do. I concede on that cuz I liked the McNabb move.

Cam Newton. We can possibly get that 6th pick, which might be a good spot to get him at.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I think when you are a head coach in the NFL you have to have a big ego. Sometimes that gets in the way of making good decisions because the coach thinks he can "mold a player" that is essentially not moldable. I think Shanny fell for that with McNabb.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:37 AM


Which is why nobody should wear the hat of GM and HC. I'd feel a lot better about Shanahan going forward if he relinquished the GM role, but I doubt that happens.

Gotta love how PF keeps blasting me for having a "crappy life" for simply calling it like I see it. Judging from your volatile reaction to my "nay-saying", YOU'RE the one with the crappy life...and I'm making it worse by giving a negative aftertaste to your burgundy and gold Kool-Aid. It's alright dude...the pain will go away once you kill yourself. Just set yourself free...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

If Shanaklan would Take some responsibility for his role in this mess and stop his redneck Sneer routine every Time a Valid question is asked,I would respect him more and Remember he has changed 30 guy's From last year So he is Coaching the junk he Brought.

Posted by: phildozier | December 20, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

we lost by 3 on the road to the august super bowl champs, just ask the trolls who only show after cowboys wins to talk smack. been tough season hearing them brag all of once.

Posted by: hcic55 | December 20, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

So what's the RI ruling on if you watched the game...but don't remember anything that happened?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 9:43 AM
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Don't know what the ruling would be but I sure hope you pay me that $50.00 you lost to me in that bet last night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I see "The Sandy Vag Gang" is in full force this morning. See you guys on the West Side.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

You'll have to excuse Diesel44 and his new Shanahan ball-juggling buddy, No_Pussy_Intended. You both might want to try harder to get Shanahan's nutsack stench out of your mustache. Your new favorite QB you like to viewing pictures of his junk, Rex Grossman said to wash your face NPI, there ain't no such thing as brown boogers, faggit face.

Both seem to have morphed into some RI 'Skins PR tag-team, with Larry Micheal as their ring-side manager. Every move Mike Shanahan has made regarding personnel and every play call Kyle makes are the right ones. No questions asked. Shame on and damn those who question their new found deity, the Shanahans.

Seriously, these two are up here blowing Grossman like he won the fhucking game. At last count he still had three turnovers. But no, lets give him credit where credit is due. Homeboy was able to convert TWO, count 'em TWO, 2-pt conversions. He was great, fhuck McNabb, lets ride the Grossman wheels all the way to the super bowl next year. Because he's sure to NOT ever, EVER toss another pick to end the game, let alone be accountable for three turnovers. Naw, what the fhuck were we thinking? He's great, just a little rusty. What damned fools we are for beginning to even question Mike Shanahan and his greatness, his son's astuteness in play calling, and the savvy Grossman bring to the QB position!


Diesel that drip from your ear canals (aftereffect of your gawddamn brain turning into mush) is something you might want to get checked out before you do your taping for Redskins Nation.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Shanny waits til we're eliminated from playoffs to see what the backups can do to evaluate them for next year and this is bad because we lost?

Posted by: hcic55 | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Time to put the LoAlexander OLB experiment to rest. Put him back DE.

Keep Perry Riley in their full time.

Now I understand what the coaches are saying. Donovan McNabb = Brett Favre.....You can't teach an old dog new tricks....He is who he is....and that's not what Shanny Jr is trying to do. I concede on that cuz I liked the McNabb move.

Cam Newton. We can possibly get that 6th pick, which might be a good spot to get him at.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 9:53 AM |

Even though I had to dodge a pig while typing this....

....I agree.


...the pain will go away once you kill yourself. Just set yourself free...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:53 AM |

Hahah. You'll never win Browneye. You're a struggling doosh. You see, I am a fan regardless. I'm not saying you're not, I'm just owning you for pissing on my parade when I am able to find reason to actually do something rare....

enjoy a Washington Redskins game.

You know, and not to shove this in your face but I will anyway, before reaching the level of partner, I was great at picking out negatives - anyone can do that. Develop an ability to identify something, anything positive and incorporate that into your efforts to 'right the ship' as they say.

Life becomes so much better. Are you taking notes? Now, go fetch me another cup of coffee you hack.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"Yay! We lost to a 5-win team by 3 points instead of 30! And we might jump ahead of Buffalo and Detroit in the draft order! Hooray Beer!"

Whatever helps you sleep through the night, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 9:42 AM |

So now you're telling me that I should be pissed no matter what?

Dude, it must suck being you.

Don't you get laid, ever? Don't you let yourself enjoy a decent effort by an outmatched team during yet another bad year? Don't you have enough going on right in your life that you're able to get that crying every Monday gets you no closer to enjoying a good team and that this is going to take YEARS, not weeks or months and certainly not with the personnel we currently have (save for a few peeps)?

Go back to being a freaking homo loser. I liked what I saw yesterday relative to the majority of other games this season.

I don't get why you can't get that. I guess there really are some homeless people out there with an internet connection.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 9:48 AM


Now you exhibit a lack of reading comprehension...I mean, you cut and pasted what I said and then gave a COMPLETELY different meaning to what was said.

Most people that read English as a first language would take the phrase "whatever helps you sleep at night" as "whatever helps you sleep at night"...not "I should be pissed no matter what".

But I guess I shouldn't expect any better from a guy who looks at a 3 point loss to a 5 win team as "playing for a first round draft pick which got a little better yesterday".

Since you clearly have nothing meaningful to live for, I'll answer your questions since God obviously hasn't answered your prayers for common sense:

"Don't you get laid, ever?"

Yes. Your wife and sister kept me very warm last night.

"Don't you let yourself enjoy a decent effort by an outmatched team during yet another bad year?"

The fact that we were "outmatched" by a previously 4-9 team speaks to why exactly I'm frustrated with where we are right now.


"Don't you have enough going on right in your life that you're able to get that crying every Monday gets you no closer to enjoying a good team and that this is going to take YEARS, not weeks or months and certainly not with the personnel we currently have (save for a few peeps)?"

I'm fine with a rebuilding plan so long as the principle actors STICK TO IT and don't bail on it in Week 14. As I said the other day...if Shanahan doesn't have faith in his own plan, why the hell should I?

Hopefully, this gives you closure as you load the gun and/or open the bottle of pills...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Man, some of you people are PissyMcPissMoods.

Grossman played QB better than McNabb played all season.

4TD passes. That's a lot.

Yesterday was a great game, would have been better if we won, but some of you just need to get out of here with your suicidal pessimism.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 20, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"You know, and not to shove this in your face but I will anyway, before reaching the level of partner"

You
Can't
Make
This
Stuff
UP

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Hahah. You'll never win Browneye. You're a struggling doosh. You see, I am a fan regardless. I'm not saying you're not, I'm just owning you for pissing on my parade when I am able to find reason to actually do something rare....

enjoy a Washington Redskins game.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 10:01 AM

Haha, nice...so you're a great fan because you enjoy a Redskins game IN A LOSS? Nice...didn't know full blown retardation was necessary to enjoy the Redskins. Maybe that's what I've been missing all this time...

Tell me...is there any room left at the base of Shanahan's cock now that you and Sally Jenkins are occupying that spot? I mean, a guy with the level of perspective you "enjoy" just HAS to look like the Elephant Man...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

@Red - I think the Shannys are just trying to determine if Grossman is the better bridge to the new fresh QB we will draft next year (Mallet or Newton).

Also, Shanny Jr's Offense is still in it's baby stages and he doesn't want any one to phcuk up it's maturation process. And McNabb was F'ing it up by tweaking the offense towards his strengths.

I get that. But I also get that Shanny Jr wants to STAMP his offense like Bill Walsh did and not taylor it to the players like Gibbs 1.0 did......(STAMPED)

This is what we will be forced to live with. I am willing to move forward on this. Because like I said...This year's free agency will be like none other, and we can judge the offense better.

As for the defense.....it is never too late for Shanny Sr to admit he F'd up big time and switch back. But he won't. Bad and the Ugly...Good next year after we grab Cam.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Disclamer:

The Sock Puppet Gang does not acknowledge any of the Dallas trolls, nor is their puppetere a member. We understand that it is a loser with multiple personalities with no life, and are very sympathetic to his illness. Keep talking AND playing with yourself. This is the only acknowledgement to him, the rest is ITN!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

watched it on atdhe.net, actually...wanna try it again...speaking of embarrassing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 9:13 AM

Watched the game, didn't watch the game, doesn't make any difference when you don't know what the f you're talking about anyway.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 20, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

4TD passes. That's a lot.

Yesterday was a great game, would have been better if we won, but some of you just need to get out of here with your suicidal pessimism.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 20, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
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It's called realism.
4 tds (plus 2pt conversions) are great, I agree. But to not mention a fumble (led to points), int (led to points) and int (ended game), plus a couple that bounced off Dallas hands is overly optimistic.

Shanahan obviously had the right to bench Donovan or anybody else, but he has a ton left to prove, bc he's had some big blunders this year too.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Man, some of you people are PissyMcPissMoods.

Grossman played QB better than McNabb played all season.

4TD passes. That's a lot.

Yesterday was a great game, would have been better if we won, but some of you just need to get out of here with your suicidal pessimism.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 20, 2010 10:05 AM |

Agreed. It's so easy to tell who gets laid (by a woman) in here and who goes to bed pulling their pathetic little puds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

yall are wild

haha


evaluate LoAl at center

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I see "The Sandy Vag Gang" is in full force this morning. See you guys on the West Side.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


We might have to come up with a new name Play, Sock Puppet Gang might get mixed up with this new gay gang!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Shanny waits til we're eliminated from playoffs to see what the backups can do to evaluate them for next year and this is bad because we lost?

Posted by: hcic55 | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM
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I like it.. Shanny is thinking he is getting a jump on next year.. 4 preseason games are not enough to evaluate talent.. now that the Skins are eliminated from Playoff contention, he has 3-4 extra meaningless games, this year, to see what he has on the roster.
And whats the difference in this approach and teams resting their starters at the end of the season when they have already made the playoffs?
Fox commentators asked, yesterday, if the strategy was akin to "throwing games" since it also meant a better draft position for the Skins? After seeing Rex manage the Offense, I would say starting McNabb next week would be "throwing the game".

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I see "The Sandy Vag Gang" is in full force this morning. See you guys on the West Side.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


We might have to come up with a new name Play, Sock Puppet Gang might get mixed up with this new gay gang!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

This is what we will be forced to live with. I am willing to move forward on this. Because like I said...This year's free agency will be like none other, and we can judge the offense better.

As for the defense.....it is never too late for Shanny Sr to admit he F'd up big time and switch back. But he won't. Bad and the Ugly...Good next year after we grab Cam.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 10:13 AM


First of all, right or wrong, I think the McNabb mess will hurt is in FA. The two main targets (or at least the two we talk about most up here) just had issues with management on their current teams (Mankins in NE, VJ in SD) and would at a minimum, have great pause to even talk to the Redskins after seeing how they did McNabb. Perception or reality...doesn't matter. Those guys are probably going to look elsewhere, and they'll only look our way if we drastically overpay...which is what we're supposed to be getting away from.

Second, as Keim spelled out in the Examiner, the switch to the 3-4 isn't the problem...it's the players' performance. I don't subscribe to the notion that the defense wasn't broken...we didn't get a consistent pass rush, nor did we take the ball away much. But we held down yardage and only gave up points at the end of games. It's been almost the opposite this year. Find some more 3-4 personnel, and the D will be fine.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Needs for the team in no order-

RG/LG
RT, but Brown may be the answer, but he will prob chase the $$$ as someones left tackle.
NT
DE
OLB
FS
CB
QB

doable.
Championship.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't know what the ruling would be but I sure hope you pay me that $50.00 you lost to me in that bet last night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:57 AM

Hope it's alright if I pay you in RI Bonus Points. Anyone know what the current conversion rate is?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

It's called realism.
4 tds (plus 2pt conversions) are great, I agree. But to not mention a fumble (led to points), int (led to points) and int (ended game), plus a couple that bounced off Dallas hands is overly optimistic.

Shanahan obviously had the right to bench Donovan or anybody else, but he has a ton left to prove, bc he's had some big blunders this year too.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 10:17 AM

Ssshhhh...you're screwing up PF's joygasm over the epic scoring mark of 30 points in a game! Gotta keep expectations below sea level, ya know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Man, some of you people are PissyMcPissMoods.

Grossman played QB better than McNabb played all season.

4TD passes. That's a lot.

Yesterday was a great game, would have been better if we won, but some of you just need to get out of here with your suicidal pessimism.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 20, 2010 10:05 AM |

Agreed. It's so easy to tell who gets laid (by a woman) in here and who goes to bed pulling their pathetic little puds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I know, I think Xanax, a drink and a fat desperate girl would go a long way with some of the guys up here.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 20, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, while I sort-o-gree....dont not watch and then babble on and on...just bad form...

Are we really at a place where we get all warm and fuzzy about looking OK for a quarter and half? In December, against a bad Dallas team with a chance for the rival sweep, while again being a league punch line? Not me people, not me.

Look Shanahan realizes now what WE ALL KNEW THE DAY HE TOOK THE JOB...bully for him he figures now that he has to blow it up...but he could have hit the dynamite last winter, then all this popping wood over "Barmes played OK" horsepooop could have been gone through in Sept/Oct and we would have kept our draft picts etc etc etc....

The problem here is that Shanny's ego said "win now" and the McNabb move, the unwillingness to deal AH, the pararde of has beens all went to to delay the inevidble ANOTHER YEAR. Thats the main reason to be annoyed with Shanny Year 1, NOT analyzing every weekly move now.

And when Beantown and I are on the same page you know something is amiss.

My young, hungry area of need free agents are: Logan Mankins and David Harris.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

BW26, VJ and Mankins were not going to look the Skins way unless the over paid regardless of the DM5 mess.

I would prefer that they go after players hungry to prove that they can play then to chase elite level FAs. Next year is going to be ugly too and chasing those type of players is just more of the same Dan/Vinny way of building this team.

Agree the D will find its stride once we find some 3-4 personnel.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 20, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

We might have to come up with a new name Play, Sock Puppet Gang might get mixed up with this new gay gang!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 10:24 AM

Everyone wants their own gang now...all of this is getting out of hand.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how many teams had their two highest paid NON-injured players on the sidelines yesterday??

Posted by: fearturtle44 | December 20, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Is it true Allstate canceled Carlos Roger's insurance because he's not one of the "good hands people?"

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 20, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

the switch to the 3-4 isn't the problem...it's the players' performance. I don't subscribe to the notion that the defense wasn't broken...we didn't get a consistent pass rush, nor did we take the ball away much. But we held down yardage and only gave up points at the end of games. It's been almost the opposite this year. Find some more 3-4 personnel, and the D will be fine.


Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:25 AM
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did you watch the blowouts? The Skins porous 3-4 DLine had holes for the opposing RBs before the ball was even snapped. It looked like a 7 on 7 drill but he other team had 11. 3-4 teams in the NFL implement the scheme AFTER they have the personnel...not before.. Good example is watching the Skins DBs play deep, off the line, like they did during 2009 and the 4-3...no adjustment at all to a 3-4. It makes a very average RB look like an all-pro. And takes a 10 ranked Defense to last.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people here giving a full-throated defense of Shanahan, and I find it interesting.

Yesterday's "improvement" in a loss reminds me last year's "improvement" when a Bingo caller was hired to call the offensive playes.

The team is still losing, and the marginal "improvement" came during meaningless games. Furthermore, both moves, last year and this year, are tacit admissions of serious errors in judgement: 1) "The coach I hired can't coach" and 2) "The franchise QB I paid handsomely for isn't really a frachise QB".

Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Don't know what the ruling would be but I sure hope you pay me that $50.00 you lost to me in that bet last night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 9:57 AM

Hope it's alright if I pay you in RI Bonus Points. Anyone know what the current conversion rate is?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

RI Bonus Points? hahaha
That's almost as gay as betting BLOG CRED!!!!!!! LMFAO

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Re: Switch to 3/4

This again shows me Shanny stumbled in year one. If you think you can be competitive, pay a price for McNabb and sign a bunch of vets....then keep the mutha humping 4/3 and attack this season like you want to be playing meanigful games in December+.

Now if you want to say "hey we gotta tear down to build up" then by all means make the switch, while you are also getting younger and different on offense.

But why the disconnect? Because with the skins defensive Norm 4/3 and a happy haynesworth...maybe the offense with mcnabb gels with a few more victories (houston/detroit)and the team scraps into the nfc east or wildcard.

Look I gave spurrier/zorn/norval many chances and not saying Shanallen should be scrapped by a long shot. But I gotta say Shannahan year 1 made signifigently more mistakes than I would have expected.

(i know spelling sucks....)

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The Vanilla Ice haircut I'm rocking in my high school yearbook picture.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 8:48 AM


Almost choked on my bagel, dude. :)


Incidentally, The Vanilla Ice Project on DIY Network is worth a watch. It's funny, because he's still a dork, but in an endearing way. I watched the first episode, and it was pretty funny watching him talking about the vegetation on the property he's flipping. He was rattling off their Latin names and explaining the proper ways to prune and care for them. It gave me a respect for him, because the guy has actually done something with his life after fading from the spotlight, and it would seem he was smart with his money.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 20, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

4 passing Touchdowns
2 converted two-point conversions
30 points!

I don't give a damn about who's feelings were hurt...FINALLY...at least for one day we looked like an NFL offense!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 20, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

you musta went to the bathroom for the 3 turnovers directly leading to 14 cowboy points in the losing effort. Gotta get The Tivo bruh.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Hey Alan4, gotta say you have turned out to be mostly right, congrats. My bad. The fan in me just wants to bee-leeeeeeve. But the realist ends up beating the fan half into a bloody heap.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The reality is MS made a huge mistake on Easter and to compound that mistake by continuing to play DM5 would have been idiotic.

He also made a mistake thinking that he had players on this team. I would rather he realizes that he made mistakes and moves forward to correct them now then to let his ego think he can win with these players even if he brought them in.

He pissed away the year, but what you gonna do at this point? Keep doing the same thing? Definition of insanity or what not don't ya think?

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I agree, kerz. MS had lots of tape to study, but until you put people into a system, you never really know how they will perform.

The key now is to find out what we have, and what we need to get competitive.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 20, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

poor lil Danny watching the highlight of DeSean Jackson, yesterday, running the Gints punt back for the winning touchdown with zero seconds on the clock.
Danny cannot help but think "Vinny passed on DeSean TWICE in the same round...and we get Thomas and Kelly."

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan has stumbled for sure. Maybe he underestimated the mess he was wading into. But the fact that he knows we're not "one or two guys" away from competitive, and is undertaking a complete rebuild, gives me hope. If only because it's a huge departure from our disastrous past.
Our current 3/4 does suck. But our previous 4/3 was only statistically good. Both sides of the ball need to be blown up. Hopefully the D improves a little next year.

Posted by: MrChip1 | December 20, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I was thrilled to see, in full on "evaluation" mode, that Roydell Williams got a lot of run, instead of T. Austin.
Because after 13 games, we clearly don't know that Roydell is not even UFL worthy, so gotta make sure he's still out there.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 20, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

To Grossman's credit, he did the best he could at playing for his coach's job.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 20, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

did you watch the blowouts? The Skins porous 3-4 DLine had holes for the opposing RBs before the ball was even snapped. It looked like a 7 on 7 drill but he other team had 11. 3-4 teams in the NFL implement the scheme AFTER they have the personnel...not before.. Good example is watching the Skins DBs play deep, off the line, like they did during 2009 and the 4-3...no adjustment at all to a 3-4. It makes a very average RB look like an all-pro. And takes a 10 ranked Defense to last.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 10:36 AM


To be fair, the key to a 3-4 is NT...if you don't have one, you're not running an effective 3-4. Maybe they thought AH would play that role if Kemo couldn't...whatever the case, they've got some good pieces to build around in Orakpo, Landry, and (on a much smaller scale) DHall.

I think we're talking about the defense in a very different way if the Skins made a run at Jamal Williams in the offseason...great veteran NT (who's from DC, by the way) who could have been had for not much more than what we paid for Kemo. Hopefully, we get a younger, healthier option in 2011...maybe sign-and-trade with SF for Aubrayo Franklin? A guy can dream...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I basically cosign kerzon417, I just have to vent that basically Shanny is just now realizing what I knew a year ago, ya know?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

cL, it gives me no pleasure to be right in this case. It's kind of like being right about a family member's drinking or drug problem... you love them, and you want to be wrong... but the evidence keeps stacking up until it's hard to interpret it any other way.

Shanahan probably has one more full season to improve the team. We all know Snyder has a roving eye for HCs and QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday's "improvement" in a loss reminds me last year's "improvement" when a Bingo caller was hired to call the offensive playes.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 10:40 AM


Exactly.

2010 @ Dallas = 2009 vs. New Orleans

Only NO went to the SB...Dallas is competing with us for a top 5 pick.

And folks wonder why I'm down on the team today...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

our needs:
C,
RG/LG
RT
WR
RB
CB
S
LB's
DT's

given all these needs we cannot draft a QB in this upcoming draft.
thoughts

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight: The Preseason was used to evaluate old azz RB's that aren't here anymore. Now the In Season Preseason is being used to evaluate old azz QB's that might not be here anymore. Sweet..

The offense did look better yesterday, but I'll hold off on all the compliments and see how they do against two potential playoff teams still playing for something.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Skins2, I agree...thats why its such a disaster that McNabb didnt work out and why it was a longshot move.

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Skins2, I agree...thats why its such a disaster that McNabb didnt work out and why it was a longshot move.

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

given all these needs we cannot draft a QB in this upcoming draft.
thoughts

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

That was my thought about 2 weeks ago. But since you are at the point of no return with this McNabb situation you have to go QB in the draft. If Grossman can keep producing the way he did yesterday then we can afford to get someone that can wait a year. But if Rexy reverts back to his old habits then you have to get someone that can start day one. Either way McNabb is gone and we need a QB of the future.

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

our needs:
C,
RG/LG
RT
WR
RB
CB
S
LB's
DT's

given all these needs we cannot draft a QB in this upcoming draft.
thoughts

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 11:09 AM
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I think Kyle took the first step, yesterday, proving to MS that Rex could be a starter in 2011. And these next few games will play a huge role in that eventual decision. And thus the decision to take a QB in the Draft.

Nonetheless, could you imagine if Cam Newton should be available to the Skins and MS passes.. Dan would likely burst a aorta.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

given all these needs we cannot draft a QB in this upcoming draft.
thoughts

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 11:09 AM


This is why I'm so thoroughly disgusted with the way this whole thing went down with McNabb...from Day 1, we should have used that 1st and 2nd round pick to get OL help in a draft that was, you know, deep with OL help and THEN go all in for a QB in 2011 since this draft is--you guessed it--deep at QB. Now that we're seeing that Grossman is at least competent enough to be a one-year stopgap, we absolutely screwed up what should have been a slam-dunk rebuilding effort.

I would be fine with passing on a QB atop the draft...to me, the other needs are far more pressing. Getting a QB and failing (again) to upgrade the OL will only ruin yet another young prospect...just like this team did with Ramsey and JC.

Build the line, THEN get a QB. So easy, a caveman could do it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why not...

Keep Rex on the cheap - Orton is going to ask for big money after throwing for a bazillion yards this season.

Trade DMac for a fourth

Pick up two FA guards in the off season

Draft a young QB

Draft a NT

Draft a Center

Continue the rebuilding process

Next year 8-8

Posted by: Devo2 | December 20, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:19 AM


You could certainly do worse than Orton...but if he plays like he did the beginning of this year, might be a nice pickup though.

Just not a fan of the neck beard...that thing is fugly...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Skins2, I agree...thats why its such a disaster that McNabb didnt work out and why it was a longshot move.

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

agreed the later round picks usually do not produce anything anyways (at least for us they don't). Please don't mention Horton (only one season) or Banks (lets see next year) how are our scouting personnel? it seems to me that we usually keep our top two picks (if we have two picks -top two picks- in a draft) but let others go. that is why I am not too worried about losing 3rd or fourth this draft because of McNabb's trade.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Not knowing what we have in Beck is frustrating cuz I think we all know what we have with Rex. Can Beck run Kyle's O well enough to be able to draft a 2nd rd QB or sleeper later in the draft?

What about Orton, can he run Kyle's O with only one preseason to learn it? The stop gap has to come from our roster -Beck/Rex- and not by signing another FA QB IMO since they will have more experience in Kyle's O.

Unfortunately missing on DM5 is going to force the Shanahans to draft a QB in rd 1 or 2. No getting away from that. And Beck is the wild card because Rex is going to be who he is.

My hope is that MS is really evaluating these two QBs and we get a chance to see what Beck has.

MS has used up all his mulligans and needs to not miss on the QB position this time or make any other mistakes. Has his work cut out for him that's for sure.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 20, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cause it worked so well for Denver the last 2 years!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Also what happens to Carson Palmer, could he be Kurt Warner 2.0

Just spit ballin' people, don't hate

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I basically cosign kerzon417, I just have to vent that basically Shanny is just now realizing what I knew a year ago, ya know?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

We've been watching the Skins for many years, but MS just started watching them last fall sometime. Yes, he's made some mistakes. We could have been much closer if he had kept JC with Sexy as backup. And drafted a top C/G with #2 pick.

But he didn't. So we have to move on now. I agree that the move to 3-4 was made without some of the important pieces. But if you are making the move, you need to do it right away. Then fill in the pieces in FA/draft. And now, with the Iggles showing what their speed can do, we need to add speed to LB's and CB's to counter them. We have a lot of improving to do.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 20, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Why not pick up Kyle Orton and draft a sleeper QB in later rounds.

Thoughts?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cause it worked so well for Denver the last 2 years!

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Cause it worked so well for Denver the last 2 years!

Posted by: monk811

Re: Orton....don't think he was the issue in Denver....

frediefritz: yeah yeah I am not in deep disagreement...I am in deeply annoyed agreement.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Macho Harris? Didn't we sign that dude?

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 20, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

macho was inactive on Sunday...not sure why davis was inactive....not sure why Austin was active, but nothing thrown his way....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The trick, of course, is identifying that sleeper pick at QB and not having anyone else draft him until our later-round pick comes up.

The followup trick is not going over the moon with expectations that this sleeper pick at QB is our savior-in-waiting.

We've got a whole bag of tricks, fortunately.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I wanna go out on a limb here and say that maybe bringin' McLovin' here wasn't Shannahanigans' idea after all...

So..

If we "loose out" the rest of the season, what are the chances of us getting that kid from Stanford?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

We've been watching the Skins for many years, but MS just started watching them last fall sometime...

Posted by: frediefritz | December 20, 2010 11:33 AM

That's what happens when you keep hiring head coaches with absolutely no Skins pedigree... hiring Gregggg Williams after Gibbs would have made too much sense.

Still, what was Shanahan doing during his year off? I thought he was studying up and evaluating... he's nicknamed "The Genius" and there were only a handful of teams looking for HCs this year. Wasn't Snyder making overtures to Shanahan pretty much the whole time he was castrating Zorn last year?


Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Macho Harris? Didn't we sign that dude?

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 20, 2010 11:47 AM |

When dude makes an INT, I have a bit of an idea of which song will blast out of the P/A.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Also what happens to Carson Palmer, could he be Kurt Warner 2.0

Just spit ballin' people, don't hate

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

My guess is the Bengals aren't going to part with Palmer anytime soon. For some odd reason, they seem to be infatuated with him despite his subpar performances. Which bodes well for the Skins in that the Bengals will pick before the Skins in the 1st round and skip over a QB hopefully.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Macho Harris? Didn't we sign that dude?

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 20, 2010 11:47 AM |

When dude makes an INT, I have a bit of an idea of which song will blast out of the P/A.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers said, "they didn't give us no good field position."

Let's hope this dude puts some money away throughout his career, cause after football I picture him working in sanitation!

Rogers: You's be wantin us to pump out you crapper ma'am?

Customer: I'm sorry, I didn't really understand that.

Rogers: I ain't got no problem talking, I just be startin now!

Customer: Hey, you dropped the hose to the truck, now there's sh*t on my porch! What, do you have hands of stone?


If you only knew lady, if you only knew....

Posted by: monk811 | December 20, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Macho Harris? Didn't we sign that dude?

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 20, 2010 11:47 AM |

When dude makes an INT, I have a bit of an idea of which song will blast out of the P/A.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 11:56 AM
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I thought Doughty was slow until Macho Harris came to town. Dude is gone as soon as the offseason rolls around.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

btw - loved that subbin' linebacker. Lots of fire.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Skins are currently somewhere between the 7th and 12th slot in the draft.

Hopefully that means we'll be jumping for joy when they use two of the first 45 picks in the draft to select two blue-chip interior O and D linemen. Wouldn't that be a treat?

Now watch them go QB-RB...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I wanna go out on a limb here and say that maybe bringin' McLovin' here wasn't Shannahanigans' idea after all...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM


You're not the first to say that...I'm not sure what scares me more: the notion that Snyder is still sticking his nose in the football operation, or that Shanahan and Allen are letting him...

Please, somebody tell me there's an end in sight...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Now watch them go QB-RB...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'll take QB-OL

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hmm - Harris' song....

...YMCA?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

ga8085, most punditos saying a divorce coming for Carson Palmer and Bengals.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Are we talking about the Jaguars game yet?

I think they'll be so demoralized from that loss to the Colts (which knocked them off the division lead AND maybe out of the playoffs) that they lay an egg, or whatever a jaguar does to express disappointment in itself.

And we will see continued improvement in these Redskins, to cement Grossman's position as our starter going into next season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the Bengals be blown up this offseason? Coach, QB, the whole shebang.

Has the Giants' punter been cut yet?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

If we "loose out" the rest of the season, what are the chances of us getting that kid from Stanford?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Not good.

Carolina will take him #1 if they know what's good for them. If not them, I doubt he falls past Buffalo, Arizona Denver and Cincinatti.

Either Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet should be available when we pick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 20, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Here in Nyc we had Giants/Eagles game on TV and skins/dallas streaming via direct TV web access....so I saw most of both games...that Giants/Eagles game was insane. How much more does this all add to the worst year of McNabb's FB life if Eagles win SB....by beating Pats in "Puke Bowl rematch...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I wanna go out on a limb here and say that maybe bringin' McLovin' here wasn't Shannahanigans' idea after all...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM

IMO the reason that McNabb didn't play that well during the season was because he didn't want to play to make his coach look like a genius, he wanted to play to win games. That's where he and the coach didn't see eye-to-eye - east coast vs. west coast thinking.

I'm still on the boat that it was the coach's move, but rather than being a bad choice on his part, he just couldn't count on or control a difference like that.

I still think the coach is a jerk, though.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I wanna go out on a limb here and say that maybe bringin' McLovin' here wasn't Shannahanigans' idea after all...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 11:54 AM

You're not the first to say that...I'm not sure what scares me more: the notion that Snyder is still sticking his nose in the football operation, or that Shanahan and Allen are letting him...

Please, somebody tell me there's an end in sight...

Posted by: brownwood26
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Are we seriously letting Shanahan off the hook for that move? I'm fine saying Shanahan made a very bad mistake with this and move on, but to put blame it on someone else? Based on what? Shanahan didn't seem to need to much prompting for those photo ops and comparisons to Elway, etc. etc.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Here in Nyc we had Giants/Eagles game on TV and skins/dallas streaming via direct TV web access....so I saw most of both games...that Giants/Eagles game was insane. How much more does this all add to the worst year of McNabb's FB life if Eagles win SB....by beating Pats in "Puke Bowl rematch...

Posted by: chrislarry
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you should come watch at Dorrian's

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

That's what happens when you keep hiring head coaches with absolutely no Skins pedigree... hiring Gregggg Williams after Gibbs would have made too much sense.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 11:55 AM


While I won't fully co-sign on Williams, I definitely would have taken him over Zorn...hindsight or foresight, that was a better hire. It just galls me that a team with such a rich heritage CONSISTENTLY gets as far away from it as possible. Just getting guys rooted in the WCO chaps my ass...not even bringing in a guy like Russ Grimm for at least an interview just makes it a million times worse. I wouldn't even necessarily be that mad if they went in another direction and hired someone else...just bring the guy in as a courtesy, if nothing else. How you can sit down with Jim F-ing Fassel, hire a nobody like Jim Zorn, and then chase that with the hiring of a guy you lit up in your 2nd SB win without even talking to Grimm is an absolute travesty...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmm - Harris' song....

...YMCA?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:02 PM |

Bingo, no pun intended.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I still think the coach is a jerk, though.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM

I think in this sport you need a coach like that, look at Pats coach, Giants, Eagles. Coaches that cannot control these wealthy players are not gonna be successful. you need a dictator.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Hmm - Harris' song....

...YMCA?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:02 PM |

No, Mac-cho, Mac-cho Maaaaaaaan!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

That's what happens when you keep hiring head coaches with absolutely no Skins pedigree... hiring Gregggg Williams after Gibbs would have made too much sense.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 20, 2010 11:55 AM


While I won't fully co-sign on Williams, I definitely would have taken him over Zorn...hindsight or foresight, that was a better hire. It just galls me that a team with such a rich heritage CONSISTENTLY gets as far away from it as possible. Just getting guys rooted in the WCO chaps my ass...not even bringing in a guy like Russ Grimm for at least an interview just makes it a million times worse. I wouldn't even necessarily be that mad if they went in another direction and hired someone else...just bring the guy in as a courtesy, if nothing else. How you can sit down with Jim F-ing Fassel, hire a nobody like Jim Zorn, and then chase that with the hiring of a guy you lit up in your 2nd SB win without even talking to Grimm is an absolute travesty...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I believe the expression when referring to jaguars is "sh!tting the tree"

Posted by: PlayAction | December 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I still think the coach is a jerk, though.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM

I think in this sport you need a coach like that, look at Pats coach, Giants, Eagles. Coaches that cannot control these wealthy players are not gonna be successful. you need a dictator.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 20, 2010 12:19 PM

Yeah, but there are more skillful ways of being a jerk.

Posted by: Kboainim | December 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Here in Nyc we had Giants/Eagles game on TV and skins/dallas streaming via direct TV web access....so I saw most of both games...that Giants/Eagles game was insane. How much more does this all add to the worst year of McNabb's FB life if Eagles win SB....by beating Pats in "Puke Bowl rematch...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 12:12 PM
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have to wonder if there will be pressure regarding Vick's potential presence in the Super Bowl...
Penalities called during the Eagle's playoff run will be interesting.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | December 20, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

lol, pf.

And I'm not letting Shannahan off the hook, per se. But he did try benching the guy.

I still think we're dealing w/ the grooming of our actual HC, K. Shannahanigan. So Mikey would give on some points in order to buy time... Plus, the GM walks in and says - "hey - I've got a multi pro bowl appearing QB near the top of his game FROM THE SAME DIVISION, want him?".... you say "NO" to that? Not likely.

I'm just saying this seems like a chip they've had on their shoulder for a while.

I'd rather be mad a coach for his decisions than still be looking for a coach who makes decisions. Even JG 2.0 didn't have that figured out...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

There ya go, PlayAction. The Jags are gonna sh!t the tree on Sunday. Book it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - nice little rant even if I've heard it a couple hundred times.

You should follow along and you'd not only learn something but you'd have a better understanding of my thoughts.

McNabb- mistake but the bigger mistake would be not to admit it and continue to trot him out there.
McNabb's contract- brilliant by us, stupid move by #5 and his agent: We can now him and either trade him or cut him the day before the 1st game.
Grossman- not the answer but he can be the bridge while we develop our 1st or 2nd RD QB.
2013- if you're waiting for a winning team, come back to RI.

Now go get me my coffee- black with a whole lotta cream....just like your mom/girlfriend/sister.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

While I won't fully co-sign on Williams, I definitely would have taken him over Zorn...hindsight or foresight, that was a better hire. It just galls me that a team with such a rich heritage CONSISTENTLY gets as far away from it as possible. Just getting guys rooted in the WCO chaps my ass...not even bringing in a guy like Russ Grimm for at least an interview just makes it a million times worse. I wouldn't even necessarily be that mad if they went in another direction and hired someone else...just bring the guy in as a courtesy, if nothing else. How you can sit down with Jim F-ing Fassel, hire a nobody like Jim Zorn, and then chase that with the hiring of a guy you lit up in your 2nd SB win without even talking to Grimm is an absolute travesty...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:20 PM |

It's still a "rich" history. The rich owner has made Vinny rich. He made marty rich. He's made Steve Spurrier rich. He made Greggg Williams rich. Same for Dieon Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Randle El, Dana Stubby, MK & DT got 2nd round money which is richer than anyone here.

The hue and cry was for a football man who could tell Snyder to "get the f*ck out of my locker room"....and we have TWO of those people now. The Mc5 deal is more looking like Snyder's last stand. If there is anyone to blame for f*cking up the franchise's rich history it's the Danny.

My other problem with the organization is how they take a first round talent and depreciate them faster than a Miami condo.

The Redskins are the well-to-do friend we all have who always gets the best of everything and then once they have it are like, "Yeah, this sucks, wanna buy it from me?" But we never do because we know they'll end up giving it to us for free a week later. That's my beef.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

you should come watch at Dorrian's

Posted by: AdamCr

Yeah I have thought about it, but I am a Brooklyn guy, so sort of a hike. Maybe if they get fun again...

I have a skins posse up here and we just use one of the dudes sister's Direct TV user/pass and route it through a TV. Yesterday though we were at a gaint fans friends (wife out of town, nice!) so he wanted Giants on "big sreen"

I so wish you could get NFL Package via any cable carrier...Time Warner in NYC doesnt even have NFL Network!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Now go get me my coffee- black with a whole lotta cream....just like your mom/girlfriend/sister.

Posted by: Diesel44
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Class act, as usual. I'm sure you are proud of yourself.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

still have not heard a compelling case made for the mcnabb trade. they must have had a 2 - 4 year plan but what happened to it?

did they just take a flier burning two high draft picks?

...we just gave a division rival our #37 overall 2nd and this draft's 4th on a hunch?

now we are going to give up on it and burn our 1st on some dildo qb. if they had a reason - a plan, strategy whatever - for trading for mcnabb what was it and why is it no longer viable?

maybe they simply overestimated this team, underestimated this division, overestimated mcnabb and are thinking get matt shaub jr. in here pronto?

that won't change the fact that we have the last ranked defense in the league, and are a thin slice of swiss cheese overall. oha adh a;lbkhaev;hjaeoiqvhej[robgvhi12 5j[r

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The hue and cry was for a football man who could tell Snyder to "get the f*ck out of my locker room"....and we have TWO of those people now. The Mc5 deal is more looking like Snyder's last stand. If there is anyone to blame for f*cking up the franchise's rich history it's the Danny.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:32 PM


I'm not sure how true that is...if Shanahan Sr. didn't want McNabb, and Shanahan Jr. didn't want McNabb, then who went about the business of getting him? I'm not saying the rumor that getting McNabb was Danny's move is true...but it sure wouldn't be that far a departure from what he's done over the last decade.

Look, I wanna believe this new regime will get it done. But they've made move after move this year to prove to me either they don't know what they're doing or they don't believe in the direction they've chosen. At the end of the day, the only guy to get us to the playoffs in the last decade was Gibbs...and I don't think it's a coincidence that he was the only one that actually cared about the Redskins.

I guess we'll find out soon enough...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

And I am so tired of the, "Shanny never won anything until he had Elway."

Why doesn't anyone accurately point out that Elway never won crap without Shanny?

I'm sure Shanny will feel humiliated each time he decides which SB ring to wear.

I seriously think half the people here want the Skins to continue to lose just so they can continue to belly-ache. I wonder how angry the hating morons would be at Gruden or heaven forbid, Cowher with the same record.

I want my coach to be a dick. I want my coach to ruffle the feathers of rich players. I want my coach to make players accountable regardless of stature or tenure. Most importantly, I want my coach to get it through to some of these dive ass players that playtime is over.

Have faith, it's gonna come. Once we're on the right track and competing in our division, those duties will be handled by Mr. Orakpo.

Is that so hard to stomach? It's not like I'm posting nudes of brownwood's mom up in here. Take it easy lemon squeezie.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The QB from TCU could be available in the second. We need to trade down in the first to acquire more picks.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 20, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The hue and cry was for a football man who could tell Snyder to "get the f*ck out of my locker room"....and we have TWO of those people now. The Mc5 deal is more looking like Snyder's last stand. If there is anyone to blame for f*cking up the franchise's rich history it's the Danny.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:32 PM


I'm not sure how true that is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 20, 2010 12:44 PM |


Well since you're not sure, let me help you.

It's true.

Next?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Class act, as usual. I'm sure you are proud of yourself.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

You can count on one hand the number of times I've taken there. Class? Yeah this blog is full of class....

I guess I should apologize for being a fan and not rooting against my own team every week. While I'm at it, I'll also apologize for consistently elevating the football IQ of this brain dead blog.

My bad.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 20, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

lmao, P_F!

Last season we were blanked by our division. Didn't win a game. Here we've won two and could beat the Ginas yet.

Seriously - who expected us to actually be better this season? We were HORRIBLE last year.

Good riddance to bad rubbish and lets focus on maximizing our opportunities.

Plus - watching Dallas fans begin to crap the bed in the 4th quarter was awesmoe. Sure I woulda liked to win... but it was still fun! And a good game!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

and you had the nerve to say last week that I was starting to remind you of pabrian....wow dies...go medicate or something....

yes, of course, snyder traded for mcnabb...ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 20, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

As much as Shanahan gets on my nerves, I'm happy to have him instead of Snyder meddling in football operations.

But part of that is now as fans we have to admit successes/mistakes fall on Shanahan and Allen now. As convenient as it is to blame the McNabb trade on Snyder, it's stupid.

By that logic, did Danny also bring in Willie and Larry? Was Galloway part of his win-now marketing ploy? Did Snyder trade picks for Jammal Brown? Does Danny get credit for drafting Trent Williams? If not, when did Snyder step off the scene?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How much was Dan Snyder involved in the trade for McNabb? For one thing, we'll never know.

But I cannot believe that after bringing in Shanahan AND Allen and making such a grand gesture of putting football people in control of the franchise that he would turn around moments later and exercise all the influence available to him as the owner by making them trade for a guy they didn't want.

That theory just seems silly. And I say this as a person who utterly loathes Dan Snyder, celebrates his every misdeed, and does not want his ownership of my beloved Redskins to continue.

I think it was just a terrible call, that McNabb could be made to fit into the Shanahans' precious, precious SYSTEM. They got it wrong.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Class act, as usual. I'm sure you are proud of yourself.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

You can count on one hand the number of times I've taken there. Class? Yeah this blog is full of class....

I guess I should apologize for being a fan and not rooting against my own team every week. While I'm at it, I'll also apologize for consistently elevating the football IQ of this brain dead blog.

My bad.

Posted by: Diesel44
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You know your comment didn't have anything to do with football IQ, and I'm not worried about keeping track of how many times you make racist comments. But if you want to ignore your stupidity, that's on you.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Reed Beep

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 20, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

lmao, P_F!

Last season we were blanked by our division. Didn't win a game. Here we've won two and could beat the Ginas yet.

Seriously - who expected us to actually be better this season? We were HORRIBLE last year.

Good riddance to bad rubbish and lets focus on maximizing our opportunities.

Plus - watching Dallas fans begin to crap the bed in the 4th quarter was awesmoe. Sure I woulda liked to win... but it was still fun! And a good game!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 20, 2010 12:55 PM |

Agreed and to elaborate on your point, this year still falls into the "if you told me this last season when we finished 4-12".

At the end of the last miserable season if you offered me Shannahan, Allen and even Hazlenutt with an opening night win against everyone's SB darling the Cowfagggots and wins versus GB and the Iggles......who would not have taken that?????

Seriously, can you even be honest enough with yourselves about that question? Especially when NO ONE saw the added goodies (AA, LoZo, LL30's improvement, BB, Torrain, KW and a couple others)?

Dude, were you expecting playoffs? Were you expecting Mc5 to come in and own the QB slot regardless of play? Fu*k Mc5!!! Who cares? He was a stop-gap anyway. Fu*k Portis. Dude's a loser at this stage of his career. Fu*k Arrington while I'm at it. That guy was a fraud who made a few plays that made Sportscenter but also lost us more games than he ever won us.

So I was expecting one thing this year and one thing only:

Actual "football people" capable of running an organization and taking the GM tag from the owner.

Guess what, we did that and had a couple nice surprises to go along with that.

Again, not sure why you continue to b*tch and moan.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why didnt Grossman get canned for throwing the interception that could have put us in place to at least tie the game? At the end of the day ,it was still a loss. Was it no different than what Mcnabb could have done?

Posted by: ftw1 | December 20, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Four Touchdown Passes!!

Name the last REDSKINS QB to do THAT!!! I think it was for only the SECOND time in a DECADE.

Campbell NEVER did it....he's only threw for 3 TDs two times in his career.

Ramsey?....Nope.

Collins?....Nope.

Brunell?....Once. ONCE!

McNabb NEVER threw FOUR TD's for us.

He NEVER threw THREE TD's for us.

and in 13 games he only threw for TWO TD's twice.....TWICE.....IN 13 GAMES!!

How many times have we put up 30 points this year?......NONE

That was only the THIRD 30 point game we've had in 3 YEARS!!

Again, congrats Grossman! Nice FIRST GAME!!!

****RE: TDs vs. Turnovers****

3 turnovers MAY and at MOST turns into 3 TD's but 4 TD's will always be 4 TD's!!

Grossman's 4 TD's and two 2ptr = 30 points

Grossman's 3 turnovers = 14 points

Get over it, Haters!


Posted by: filmchis | December 20, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Four Touchdown Passes!!

Name the last REDSKINS QB to do THAT!!! I think it was for only the SECOND time in a DECADE.

Campbell NEVER did it....he's only threw for 3 TDs two times in his career.

Ramsey?....Nope.

Collins?....Nope.

Brunell?....Once. ONCE!

McNabb NEVER threw FOUR TD's for us.

He NEVER threw THREE TD's for us.

and in 13 games he only threw for TWO TD's twice.....TWICE.....IN 13 GAMES!!

How many times have we put up 30 points this year?......NONE

That was only the THIRD 30 point game we've had in 3 YEARS!!

Again, congrats Grossman! Nice FIRST GAME!!!

****RE: TDs vs. Turnovers****

3 turnovers MAY and at MOST turns into 3 TD's but 4 TD's will always be 4 TD's!!

Grossman's 4 TD's and two 2ptr = 30 points

Grossman's 3 turnovers = 14 points

Get over it, Haters!


Posted by: filmchis | December 20, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The hue and cry was for a football man who could tell Snyder to "get the f*ck out of my locker room"....and we have TWO of those people now. The Mc5 deal is more looking like Snyder's last stand. If there is anyone to blame for f*cking up the franchise's rich history it's the Danny.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 20, 2010 12:32 PM

I can't buy that, PF. Ever since Shanny arrived, he has made all of the decisions. He knew he was getting a real leader, a real class individual, in DMac. Unfortunately, #5's scrambling has diminished, and he does throw too many errant passes for Shanny's style of play. He rolled the dice, and this time it didn't pan out. At least he's apparently manned up to admit that he made a mistake.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 20, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, McNabb at 34 is done.

He will stick around the NFL for a couple more years, but he is no longer an elite quarterback.

Do you think if the Redskins put Brady or Manning or Vick on this team that they would do weekly what Grossman did yesterday, ie move the team and score points?

The Eagles got rid of McNabb at the right time. The Patriots got rid of Randy Moss at the right time.

Good organizations do that.

And the teams that pick up these players then have to explain why months later they haven't made the desired impact.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | December 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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