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Redskins webcast: Maese, Steinberg, Arrington talk about the Cowboys game and Haynesworth

Former Redskin LaVar Arrington, beat writer Rick Maese and D.C. Sports Bog Dan Steinberg taped their weekly "Redskins Insider Live" webcast this morning. Take a look, let us know what you think, and send in your questions for next week's show after the Dallas game.

By Washington Post Sports  |  September 7, 2010; 5:16 PM ET
 
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Yeah, in addition to the financial mess this has made, I still can't see exactly what our strategy was from the beginning with AH. I mean, there is the dogmatic sort of authoritarian way of management which is based on policies and personal convictions of those in management (eg establishing a set of ideals and sticking to a philosophy based on that). The drawback is that this only works under some conditions and you have to get lucky with the personnel you are handed. It is also limited in that even when it works there is only so much that sort of organization will typically be capable of. An example of this sort of authoritarian management system would be Wal-Mart (believe me, Wal-Mart executives are aware they need to change this too).
So from the beginning (as it appears right now with the information we have), that we made a number of dumb moves with AH. First, we we signed an absolute dud of a player (human being) and gave him a huge amount of power over the organization, not only in our financial commitment(which includes aspects of: salary cap, ability to trade him, and just expense to the franchise) but also our locker room, and our commitments in building a defense around him (this to a lesser degree).

Then we had the ability to cut ties with him after a lackluster season, but instead we took him on his word that he would have some commitment to the team despite the overwhelming amount of evidence to opposite. After this, instead of finding a system of dealing with AH that would incline him to be productive, we kept the whip to his back until he just quit playing in games as a measure of revenge, or so it would appear. What the hell were the skins thinking? That he would fall into line because he is such a great guy? Shanny's plan would work IF AH didn't have the power to screw the team by not playing...in other words, we had to have some cooperation from him and we knew this.

I don't see how this could have been handled any worse; now if we get a third for him it seems we would be doing well just to get him off the team. Shanny needs to learn that his opinion of how the team should be does not match reality when players will rebel and have the power and the inclination to screw the team in the process. If he continues to be a "hard but fair" sort of coach, then he better make sure their are no AH's around from the beginning.

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise | September 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise | September 7, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

My pants just pooped me.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Latest news from my agent, the trade isn't going down.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The players are with AH playing for this team. When are the rest of you bamas going to fall in line.

Hail Victory!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 7, 2010 5:15 PM |

Just as it seems the Skins are ready to whisk the dude out the door, DM pipes up in support of him. He had many opportunities do this previous and didn't. Does this mean he knows AH is gonzo and hence at this point it costs him nothing to say something?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That would be Poopy_McPoop, a.k.a. Albert_Haynesworth. The ultimate troll.

He probably got stuck with an abuse report and had his account disabled.

Posted by: jboogie1 | September 7, 2010 3:19 PM
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Sorry d0uche-nozzle but I only post here under this name. Have been doing so for much longer than Fat Albert has been in DC.

So suck my smooth balls and lick my taint.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how this could have been handled any worse; now if we get a third for him it seems we would be doing well just to get him off the team. Shanny needs to learn that his opinion of how the team should be does not match reality when players will rebel and have the power and the inclination to screw the team in the process. If he continues to be a "hard but fair" sort of coach, then he better make sure their are no AH's around from the beginning.

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise | September 7, 2010 5:14 PM |

A good judge of personality would have known that a head case like AH who had cleated Andy G's bean had to be handled cautiously like he was a stick of dynamite. I'm sure most coaches would avoid AH's type at all possible costs if they could. MS inherited him and there was nothing he could do about that. Some coaches like Sean Payton seem to be able to cope with head cases - Jeremy Shockey is giving him 100% after a rebellious stay with the Giants. Major Tom started out as the HC of the Giants being the DI he had always been and then was forced by players like Strayhan to be a softy. I think that at least subconsciously MS feels his two SB rings give him a degree of entitlement that may have been a contributing factor to the AH imboglio.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So LaVar is now in the WaPo fold? I did not know this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry d0uche-nozzle but I only post here under this name. Have been doing so for much longer than Fat Albert has been in DC.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 5:31 PM |

It's sad that someone has invested so much time and effort in dreck. To what avail?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

So LaVar is now in the WaPo fold? I did not know this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 7, 2010 5:52 PM |

You must have been taking a time-out. He's been on the website with his icky "Hard Hits" for over a week now. Leave us hope it meets the same fate as his "The Sideline" endeavor.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Then we had the ability to cut ties with him after a lackluster season, but instead we took him on his word that he would have some commitment to the team despite the overwhelming amount of evidence to opposite.
Posted by: monkeymayonnaise

The opportunity to cut him is the same now as it was before he received his 21 million dollar bonus. That money was guaranteed. He was getting it no matter what.

I don't necessarily agree with how it was handled either. Basically Shanny has pushed this to the point where AH has no trade value and definitely does not have any intention of trying hard. No one is giving up anything of value for him. They may take him on the cheap to see if he can be productive but that is about it.

I know Shanny is trying to send a message and that could have been done by releasing him, Trading him or sending him home with pay like the Eagles did with TO. Continuing this back and forth is not productive and is a distraction for the team.

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

My league sources tell me that Portland International Airport is a fun place to poop.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo probably is not on the trading block, for the record. But his point is a good one. And his comments speak to the importance of finding a resolution to this situation quickly. Otherwise, the drama will hang over not just this week's season-opener against Dallas -- but the entire season.
-- JReid's last post


Would the drama exist to anywhere near this extent if the media didn't harp on it every 12 seconds?

Posted by: freakzilla | September 7, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

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We all long ago knew these things were good. Good to see the scientific/medical community finally catching up with us.

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Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see how this could have been handled any worse; now if we get a third for him it seems we would be doing well just to get him off the team. Shanny needs to learn that his opinion of how the team should be does not match reality when players will rebel and have the power and the inclination to screw the team in the process. If he continues to be a "hard but fair" sort of coach, then he better make sure their are no AH's around from the beginning.Posted by: monkeymayonnaise"

Well, that seems simplistic. Imagine you're Shanahan. You arrive to find a team that has some talent but played last year without much fire or discipline. You know it would be nice to be loved, but coaches get paid for winning. You sit down with your coaches and watch tape and come away with three conclusions:

a) you need a new QB, and not a kid, either.
b) you need a new o-line.
c) your defense has to create some TOs and get off the field.

Plus the fire and discipline. You're missing that.

So the first thing you do is lay down a bunch of rules that are designed to get players in shape and ready to play by game one. Overall the response is good, except for one guy. That guy happens to be a mistake-signing from the previous administration. So you're faced with a choice: you can play nice guy, a la Wade Phillips, or you can call him out.

We all saw which way Shanahan went. We all know you can't leave a guy like Albert alone and have anything like a team that approaches the season with fire and discipline. You're either going to be popular with Albert, and be a pansy in the eyes of the club, or you go the other way.

Shanahan is apparently not a pansy.

TO was a massive, enduring distraction in Philly during his last season. Yes, they would have been a better club with him on the field. If he were motivated to play, which he clearly wasn't.

If there's a trade out there, better to let the guy go and move on.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Ready to go for the season opener! Who should I stomp first?

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to knock Lavar too much but he's simply not working out in this format.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh! Look at that, no one wants to talk about this except the media. Again I blame you, media, for 99% of this AH shebacle.

Let it gooooooo. No one wants to talk about it, how/why are you still pushing this garbage!?!?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

Got news for you sport. Round these parts YOU are the MEDIA, too, so I guess the AH "shebacle" is 99% your fault.

Posted by: TheCork | September 7, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

My pants just pooped me.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop

Stop the Presses!!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | September 7, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

if AH didnt play well in the zona game, does that mean he wont play well for the rest of the season? I mean, if he hasn't gotten the defense down by now, will he?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | September 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse
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It was pretty clear to me that Albert was doggin' it in the Arizona game, in comparison to the Jets game. He at least knows the basics of the scheme by now. I'm sure he was probably PO'd about being the only regular who had to play, especially with the uber-scrubs late in the game. I can't imagine that he won't show up strong for the cowgirls. I think he has too much pride not to.

If the coaches really were holding him out of practice yesterday, though, that seems like a sign to me that he'll be traded.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | September 7, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Basically Shanny has pushed this to the point where AH has no trade value and definitely does not have any intention of trying hard.

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 7, 2010 5:58 PM

I disagree with this statement. Fat Albert's drop in trade value was caused by Fat Albert himself.

The moment he announced that he would be skipping the manditory minicamp and wanted a trade, his value dropped because that created an atmosphere were the Redskins would look desperate if they tried to trade him then.

Then, if Fat Albert had shown up for training camp truly in shape and ready to practice, his trade value would have begun to climb again. That didn't happen.

Next, If fat Albert had played hard during the pre-season games, proving that he was still dedicated to playing football at a high level, his trade value would have begun to climb again. That didn't happen.

Every step of the way, Fat Albert has acted in a manor that ensured that his trade value would remain low. It is as though Fat Albert is purposly trying to make sure that the Redskins get as little value in return for him as possible as a last vindictive stab at our organization.

Fat Albert's situation could becomes a major point of negotiation in the new CBA. The NFLPA may have to give up concessions regarding guaranteed salaries, and teams' abilities to recoup bonuses if players act in a similar way in the future. The players in the NFL may soon come to realize that Fat albert has screwed them ALL. He may find it a new challenge to play in 2011 when all the players are out to get him for what he did.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

My value has already been established.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

My value has already been established.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 6:43 PM

Yep, you made sure that it would be no higher than a third round pick. Good job jerkwad. Have fun when everyone is trying to end your carrer with an injury in 2011!

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

You're either going to be popular with Albert, and be a pansy in the eyes of the club, or you go the other way.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 7, 2010 6:13 PM |

Your "either or take" is not a surprise from someone that seems to be in love with data. Plus "pansy" is a word that was used a long, long time ago. Vocabularies do get updated as well as data you know.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Do ya'll remember Brandon Llyod, Adam Archuleta and Clinton Portis (under Gibbs)?

The Washington Redskins honored a contract they should not have signed and paid Haynesworth his 21 million.

Shanahan said you can seek a trade but if you take this 21 million, you do it our way.

Haynesworth didn't come to any mandatory off season programs

Shahahan runs him through the ringer a bit, but Haynesworth's fat ass couldn't stay on the field last year.

What benefit of the doubt has Haynesworth earned that he should be given a break?

Many of ya'll are suggesting that we handle Haynesworth just as we've handled "divas" in the past.

I have no problem with what Shanahan has done.

WE HAVE BEEN LOSERS FOR 10 YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE GIVEN PASSES AND BIG CONTRACTS TO PLAYERS JUST LIKE HAYNESWORTH.

No more!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 7, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

This Just In.......

Albert Haynesworth is fat.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The over/under for regular season wins by the Skins is 8, but you can't even bet it now. It was taken "off the board" till the Haynesworth situation is resolved. They got four days!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 7, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Just catching up on the flurry of posts this afternoon and it looks like we have guys like learnedhand that can't read between the lines on this "Donovan McNabb: We can't win without Haynesworth" stuff.

Do you remember what happened in Philly when McNabb went the other way on that? When TO got hurt at the end of the '04 season and he said during their playoff run that "we don't need TO to win"? You remember how that turned out? It only set in motion the horrendous drama that would spill into their '05 season and effectively end it before it started.

McNabb is saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear. You wanted a leader and a team diplomat, so you got him. Players don't have to take a grand public stand against AH to prove they don't like how he's acting. I'm sure most of us here have had a difficult co-worker who doesn't carry their weight...do we go public with that information to corporate or to the boss or systematically seek to discredit them? In most cases, no. So why would you expect Donovan to do so here?

None of this changes the fact that AH needs to go. He's here to do a job and he's willfully and purposely not doing it. That's grounds for termination in ANY profession. Don't make this more complicated than it is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Time for dinner, glad I didn't have to watch game tape or practice today. Does anyone want a playbook?

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 6:56 PM

Excellent observatin Poopy! But, I'm not surprised that this revelation came from you. After all, you are the expert on all things that are full of sh!t, like Fat Albert.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Every step of the way, Fat Albert has acted in a manor that ensured that his trade value would remain low.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 6:40 PM |

His trade value has been lower than whale shti ever since the end of last season when it was clear that he was fat, out of shape and that his skills had deteriorated. At least MS whipped him into decent shape and he lost lbs. That jacked his trade value up.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Do ya'll remember Brandon Llyod, Adam Archuleta and Clinton Portis (under Gibbs)?


Posted by: rickyroge | September 7, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse
_______

Wait a minute. Don't lump CP in with Archuleta and Lloyd. Yes, he's kind of a pain in the neck, but he was the ENTIRE offense for a few years, and with the exception of the two half seasons that he was hurt, he has performed brilliantly. Being a not-so-great teammate doesn't mean he's didn't earn his contract. Archuleta and Lloyd did less than zero for the Redskins - they couldn't play and were locker room cancers - whereas, if you had to pick an offensive MVP for the past 5 years, Portis would have to be at the top of the list.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | September 7, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone want a playbook?

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 7:03 PM

You should try to auction it on eBAY. you can accurately list it as "Brand New! Never Been Opened!"

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor people should check the contract details. I was valued fairly in a free market and have been compensated accordingly.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

You think Fat Al goes home and just eats like 5-6 bags of Family Size Cheetos as a way to self-medicate for being frustrated with being fat?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

ricky, sometimes you just can't fix stupid...some up here whine how Shanahan is screwing the pooch and how he's botching this by not just stepping aside and letting AH run roughshod all over his authority--most of whom ripped Vinny and Snyder for setting us up to fail with the way they let the inmates run the asylum. It's really unbelievable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

In terms of turds, who is more Couric's? Haynesworth or Bono?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

At least MS whipped him into decent shape and he lost lbs. That jacked his trade value up.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | September 7, 2010 7:06 PM

Further disproof of srobert1117's claim that Shanahan has done nothing but lower Fat Albert's trade value. Thank you, Jimbo.

All of Shanahan's actions would have resulted in a higher trade value for Fat Albert, but Albert has continuously screwed it up.

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how Bill Parcells would have handled Albert if he had been the one taking over in Washington. Or Andy Reid. Or Mike Holmgren.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 7, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear. You wanted a leader and a team diplomat, so you got him. Players don't have to take a grand public stand against AH to prove they don't like how he's acting. I'm sure most of us here have had a difficult co-worker who doesn't carry their weight...do we go public with that information to corporate or to the boss or systematically seek to discredit them? In most cases, no. So why would you expect Donovan to do so here?

None of this changes the fact that AH needs to go. He's here to do a job and he's willfully and purposely not doing it. That's grounds for termination in ANY profession. Don't make this more complicated than it is...

Posted by: brownwood26

Oh get real! This is hilarious and such a crazy hypothesis! Several of the players -including Orakpo (who said he LOVES playing with Albert) were intervied today about Haynesworth and to a man they all agreed he is trying, they are a much better team with him, AND they want him on the field.


Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone want a playbook?

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 7:03 PM

You should try to auction it on eBAY. you can accurately list it as "Brand New! Never Been Opened!"


Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 7:09 PM

*chuckling*

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh get real! This is hilarious and such a crazy hypothesis! Several of the players -including Orakpo (who said he LOVES playing with Albert) were intervied today about Haynesworth and to a man they all agreed he is trying, they are a much better team with him, AND they want him on the field.


Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 7:25 PM |


Lisa you stupid c*nt. No one is doubting AH's talent. No one doubted T.O.'s talent years back when he was the biggest distraction in the entire league. Would you have stepped aside and let him do his thing? How about Corey Dillon? How about Randy Moss when he was with the Raiders? How about Revis? Just pay the man? You don't seem to put any thought at all into how to run an organization. It's not all about letting one fatass slob come and go as he pleases. Say what you want about Shanny, the man has 2 rings and is universally regarded as one of the top coaches in this game. Furthermore, Fat Albert basically stole 20 million and flew back to Miami to sit around by his pool. I guess that's the type of person you feel like should just be given a pass. I swear to God you are so fu*king retarded I am seriously convinced you have brain damage.

Wake up and get 4th floor's ball sack out of your mouth whydontcha.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

ITA is my friend.....
ITA is my friend.....
ITA is my friend.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 7, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Let you know what we think?

OK

The host is terrible, and should never be in front of a camera again, even a "Webcast".

LA has very good insight and is getting better every week. I find something very intriguing about his analysis, plus his wardrobe has improved each week, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Maese is tolerable.

Steinberg, while a great Bogger/Funny columnist, has a voice that is almost unbearable to listen too, so I would kindly request that he not take part in these anymore.

And please no Reid.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | September 7, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think you and Learned Hand are thinking along the same lines on this thing, about how Albert's being viewed by his teammates, and I'm inclined to agree with you two.

Again, I think Albert plays and kicks ass on Sunday night.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 7, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Other than that, WaitingGuilty, how was the play?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 7, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Arrington has a job. I wouldn't hire that moron to shine my shoes. How many knowimsayins and mybads and keepingitreals can someone take in a single day?

Oh No He Di-ent.

What a freking doosh.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh get real! This is hilarious and such a crazy hypothesis! Several of the players -including Orakpo (who said he LOVES playing with Albert) were intervied today about Haynesworth and to a man they all agreed he is trying, they are a much better team with him, AND they want him on the field.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 7:25 PM


Lisa, the only one not dealing in reality is you...what do you expect these guys to say? Do you think EVERYONE says EXACTLY what they think and feel verbatim to the media? Not everyone is your boy Jim Zorn...

I mean, seriously here...you probably believed Bill Clinton when he said "I did not have sexual relations with that girl"...or when any athlete ever has said "it's not about the money"...

Do me a favor...stop and think long and hard about this situation. Stop wishing for a particular outcome, stop listening to the rhetoric and just apply common sense to the situation and let me know what you come up with. Then we can compare notes. Fair?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, Fat Albert basically stole 20 million and flew back to Miami to sit around by his pool. I guess that's the type of person you feel like should just be given a pass. I swear to God you are so fu*king retarded I am seriously convinced you have brain damage.

Wake up and get 4th floor's ball sack out of your mouth whydontcha.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

All day long you have been making racist, homophonic, and just plain CRAZY remarks - (including calling me a horrible name several times) and you question MY intelligence???? You are truly a sicko and I find it hard to believe the Post has not banned you from this site due to your repeated abuse. Guess they are too busy following the Haynesworth/Shanahan saga.

And while your fingers are already twitching to "abuse" me again with meaningless words, you may as well not bother as I'm done with responding to you or reading your racist, homophonic, sexist rants.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Samson151 and rickyroge - good analysis on both your parts. Skins are in trouble today mainly due to the "quick fix" mentality fostered by Snyder/Cerrato and bought into by a lot of fans. The elixir, in the form of the next new star signed by the Skins, created an exciting new high each off season that has finally come crashing back down to reality.

Haynesworth is the one who needs to adapt, not the other 52 payers and coaching staff. If he's too immature to figure that out, then AMF.

Posted by: bones21 | September 7, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

What Fat Albert needs is for the rest of the team to give Fat Al a nice, 'ol Dutch Oven.

That's solve his problems.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate...

At least nobody got shot, so fair. Is that fair?

NPI...

Geez Dude...I find constantly ridiculing Reid and co. to be as hilarious as the next guy (In a SNL Trebek V. Connery sort of way), but do you really dislike LA that much? I think he's doing fine with the blog and these webcasts, but to each his own.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | September 7, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

And while your fingers are already twitching to "abuse" me again with meaningless words, you may as well not bother as I'm done with responding to you or reading your racist, homophonic, sexist rants.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 7:48 PM |

I just call 'em like I see 'em. Perhaps you'd prefer a more sanitized offering whereby I reference your utter lack of sophistication, analytical abilities and overarching grasp of the nuances surrounding the negative impact of the aforementioned buffoonery and its subsequent impact on our beloved Washington Redskins.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

ricky, sometimes you just can't fix stupid...some up here whine how Shanahan is screwing the pooch and how he's botching this by not just stepping aside and letting AH run roughshod all over his authority--most of whom ripped Vinny and Snyder for setting us up to fail with the way they let the inmates run the asylum. It's really unbelievable...

Posted by: brownwood26

Big difference with the inmates of the past. I think Shanny got his point across with the conditioning test as to who's in charge.

I blame Shanny and AH for this. I don't but that Shanny's garbage about he "needed to get in game shape" as the reason he played most of the most meaningless pre-season game on the schedule either.

Any starter or vet in this league would have been pissed off.

AH will be in by the 2nd series against the Girlz once Golsten is pushed 5 yards down field as he usually is.

Posted by: dcwun | September 7, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think you and Learned Hand are thinking along the same lines on this thing, about how Albert's being viewed by his teammates, and I'm inclined to agree with you two.


Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 7, 2010 7:41 PM


Which is why they're missing the point.

It's not entirely about how he's being received by the team, it's about whether he's buying into the system and doing what the coaches expect of him. To date, he hasn't. He may have come around on the system, but he's still not doing it Shanahan's way or giving a full effort.

Think back to how it was as a kid...remember the tough, cool kid who used to "live on the edge" and got in trouble and got suspensions? Did that kid have any friends. He usually did. You think the principal or the teacher or the guidance counselor went easy on the kid because he was popular? Hell, if anything they were harder on that kid to prove a point to the rest of the student body.

That's what's happening here. The team liking him/not liking him isn't what determines who is in the right here. It's a matter of knowing your role, respecting authority, and doing what is expected/mandated of you. AH hasn't done that. I can't figure out why that fact is even up for debate here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

What Fat Albert needs is for the rest of the team to give Fat Al a nice, 'ol Dutch Oven.

That's solve his problems.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 7, 2010 7:52 PM

Is there a blanket that big?

Posted by: kaasmaster | September 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Do me a favor...stop and think long and hard about this situation. Stop wishing for a particular outcome, stop listening to the rhetoric and just apply common sense to the situation and let me know what you come up with. Then we can compare notes. Fair?

Posted by: brownwood26

Brownwood...first, I am NOT a Jim Zorn lover. Secondly, I have thought long and hard about this "situation" - as well as reading about it and watching television shows about it ad nauseum. And I stand by my opinion. And it is MY opinion which I am entitled to express the same as you....fair???

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

dcwun, the only thing I blame Shanahan for is not getting rid of this clown sooner. This should have happened in April, or just before training camp at the absolute latest. Carrying this crap into the season is mindbogglingly stubborn, if not outright stupid.

I just wonder at what point some of these AH apologists make this jagaloon responsible for his own actions instead of reading Shanny the riot act for having the stones to hold this guy accountable for his actions (or lack thereof)...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Any starter or vet in this league would have been pissed off.


Posted by: dcwun | September 7, 2010 7:57 PM |

Would "Any starter or vet in this league..." have taken a check for 22 mil and walked off the job?

Would "Any starter or vet in this league..." not even attend halftime defensive meetings?

Would "Any starter or vet in this league..." announce in a post-game statement that he intended to ALSO skip minicamp next year - even though he was already paid?

Dude, clearely you don't have one fu*king clue what any starter or vet in this league does becasue they sure don't so what Fat Fukk Haney does.

Get your head out of your arse and demand accountability from players who are clearly thieves, liars and do-nothings.


Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Money isn't the issue, I just want to kick ass on the field and make sure the bank deposit is secure.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | September 7, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, the only one not dealing in reality is you...what do you expect these guys to say

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 7:46 PM

For one, McNabb could've said

Hanyesworth on the field makes us better, but we have a good team and I believe that with the guys on this team we'll be very good.

Or

I want Albert on the team, if he's a good teammate etc...

Or

I'm not getting into the Haynesworth saga. Whatever direction the FO takes, we'll deal with.

Such a direct and strongly worded support suggests that there are members on the team that feel strongly about having Haynesworth on the field and playing a role. It may not be popular with us fans..but we are fans. The question I'm asking is why are some members of the team feeling this way?

Posted by: TWISI | September 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | September 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I have a thought.

F_ck everybody that hates on Lavar Arrington.

He was a beast of a player, I still wear his jersey and he ended the career of Troy Aikman. He gets a lifetime pass in iH8dallas' book.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 7, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood...first, I am NOT a Jim Zorn lover. Secondly, I have thought long and hard about this "situation" - as well as reading about it and watching television shows about it ad nauseum. And I stand by my opinion. And it is MY opinion which I am entitled to express the same as you....fair???


Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 8:05 PM |


The answer is yes, even retarded folk are entitled to their opinions.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 7, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I have thought long and hard about this "situation" - as well as reading about it and watching television shows about it ad nauseum. And I stand by my opinion. And it is MY opinion which I am entitled to express the same as you....fair???

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 7, 2010 8:05 PM


And this is what you came up with? The coach is wrong and the player is right? The subordinate should dictate to the authority the terms under which he'll perform? THAT is your stance?

Amazing...while it's your right to have that opinion, it's also my right to say you live in bizarro world where the sky is green and the grass is blue...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a thought.

F_ck everybody that hates on Lavar Arrington.

He was a beast of a player, I still wear his jersey and he ended the career of Troy Aikman. He gets a lifetime pass in iH8dallas' book.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 7, 2010 8:14 PM |


I don't hate on Arrington. I just think he was an overrated, over-hyped doosh that wasn't intelligent enough to absorb an NFL defensive scheme and blamed everyone else for his own faults and shortcomings.

There is a small contingent of Redskins fans that blindly rever Arrington but ask impartial football fans about him and they'll tell you the same.

Even Joe Paterno hinted at this when interviewed by George Michael years back. JoePa said something to the effect that he never put LA into a scheme, rather, he just said, "Lavar, go get the ball."

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Two things:

First, Lavar... I know how Lavar gets hate on this board. But one thing the haters need to realize. Like it or not, Lavar Arrington is a true blue diehard Redskin Fan.

His views and his vendetta may be a bit unorthodox and off kilter, but recognize he has earned the Redskin Badge and all the critics of him need to ask yourselves.

What has Lavar done so badly to deserve a slap in the face for whatever opinion or view he has?

Secondly,

MonkeyMayonnaise could not have summed up the Albert sit' any better.

There is one man that I will accept his opinion about Albert H. and that is Doc Walker.

Doc Walker has continually said that this defense can be great with Albert. So do you want to be great with Albert and go about winning some football games and whipping them Dallas Cowboys, or do you think you are good enough to do the same without Albert?

I listen to Doc Walker every chance I get and I think he is tremendously more right than wrong and has very good views and explanations for POV's.

Brownwood26, what a lame butt comment. If you think for one second that Albert Haynesworth isn't playing his poker hand just as hard as Shanahan is playing his with him then you need to get off the board.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when the people who actually have jobs start trying to communicate with those that are too dumb to slice meat in a deli.

Man, there are some freaking retards here who don't have even the slightest grasp on reality.

So Doc says we could be a good D with AH. My poor retarded friend, that's not all he says becasue I listen to him too. he also says that AH needs to get with what the coaches want him to do. Do you believe that AH needs no coaching? Do you believe that AH is the end all be all? Do you know that Fat Albert has a career sack average of just over 3 sacks per year in his 9 year career and his one year with 8.5 was a contract year? Are you thinking that was based on effort? Are you for a team with no coaches and that if you make a pro-bowl you're exempt from abiding by the same practices that everyone else on the team abides by?

So AH is a 9 year vet. London Fletcher has more years than that. Are you going to be so dumb as to compare AH's career to Fletch's? Yet Fletch does everything the coaches ask of him and then some. Are you really going to try to convince educated people of your retarded little theories on how AH should be handled? Dude, you're a freaking tard.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

And this is what you came up with? The coach is wrong and the player is right? The subordinate should dictate to the authority the terms under which he'll perform? THAT is your stance?

Amazing...while it's your right to have that opinion, it's also my right to say you live in bizarro world where the sky is green and the grass is blue...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 7, 2010 8:18 PM

Seems to me that the subordinate has done a damn good job of dictating. You think Albert doesn't have a pee of a brain at all?

You think that he doesn't realize that Shanahan has been trying him every minute for his decision not to be apart of the offseason program?

Brownwood26, ask yourself, you think Shanahan does not realize that Big Al is giving it back to him tenfold?

Brownwood26, you think Big Al doesn't know that he is still probably one of the best defensive linemen in the league and that Shanny doesn't know that too?

Ask yourself some questions fella before you cheapshot and make sexist slurs on the board for perfectly valid points.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 7, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Without Albert we'll loose Sunday night.

Posted by: abxinc | September 7, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok...let's make this simpler...

You're the President of a company you just took over...

You inherit an employee that just received a ridiculous bonus...he calls in sick every day and is late too...

He has talent that if applied correctly could make the company better...

You offered to pay the man what you owe him and let him transfer to any other company he wants, but he opts to take the money and remain with the company...

He doesn't come to your mandatory conference but everyone else in the company does...

When he does come, you put him in the mailroom for a few days...

Everyone else in your company is ready for a great season of profits but this guy...

BUT WAIT...you hear outsiders saying just let him do his job...just let him be who he is...we need him...we can't make those profits without him...

They say YOU'RE at fault and need to back off...

The Redskins have allowed mediocrity and special rules for years....we FINALLY HAVE A GM and an SB Coach, but Shanahan is the one that needs to concede.

How about a little benefit of the doubt for a two time SB champ and a well respected NFL GM???

Winning cures all of this!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 7, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

So Doc says we could be a good D with AH. My poor retarded friend, that's not all he says becasue I listen to him too. he also says that AH needs to get with what the coaches want him to do. Do you believe that AH needs no coaching? Do you believe that AH is the end all be all? Do you know that Fat Albert has a career sack average of just over 3 sacks per year in his 9 year career and his one year with 8.5 was a contract year? Are you thinking that was based on effort? Are you for a team with no coaches and that if you make a pro-bowl you're exempt from abiding by the same practices that everyone else on the team abides by?

So AH is a 9 year vet. London Fletcher has more years than that. Are you going to be so dumb as to compare AH's career to Fletch's? Yet Fletch does everything the coaches ask of him and then some. Are you really going to try to convince educated people of your retarded little theories on how AH should be handled? Dude, you're a freaking tard.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | September 7, 2010 8:40 PM

This isn't about stats and comparing one player to another. This is about doing the best for your team now and winning football games.

If you say you have listened to Doc then you have probably heard him go off on point of views about last year's team and this one now.

He says that last year's crap and what went on before has nothing to do with this team now. New organization and new gameplan, in which he sees Big Al being able to play a valid role.

If Shanahan wants to part ways with Big Al, then fine, but it doesn't call for the weak views and name calling from you and brownwood26.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 7, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

And let me just add, I am not in the least bit indicating that Shanny should give Big Al a pass and special treatment.

But, there is a method to the madness. Some think that Shanahan is all right in the way he has handled this because he is the coach and Albert took the money.

A serious situation, but time will tell whether the coach did it the right way, but one thing for sure, all that is really gonna matter is a W in the win column.

If this 3/4 D suffers from line play and big Al isn't in there and we lose, the press is gonna have a field day.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 7, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to say how much I enjoy presentations like this: a comfortable, reasonably objective discussion of a team you all like/support and would like to see do well.
Of course you are a little biased - but I wouldn't care to watch the discussion if it was a bunch of people who didn't care about the team. Keep up the good work.
I particularly enjoy Mr. Arrington, not as polished as the others but rooted in X vs. O and in touch with the current players locker room mentality - Arrington's contribution is a great addition/contrast to the other journalists observations. Thanks guys.

Posted by: jiji1 | September 8, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

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