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Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas are down the depth chart

Wide receiver Joey Galloway is 38. In the last two seasons, he has a total of 20 receptions for 205 yards with no touchdowns. Roydell Williams has been out of football the past two seasons.

At the outset of Redskins training camp, however, Galloway and Williams are listed as co-starters at the X receiver, or split end, position. Former Redskins high draft picks Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are further down the depth chart.

Obviously, the Redskins are only getting started. Thomas and Kelly, who injured his hamstring before camp, will have opportunities to impress in camp and throughout the preseason schedule. But it appears they have a lot of work to do.

"What we do is we get a depth chart at the end of OTAs [organized team activities], and Joey, we had him as the no. 1 guy along with Roydell Williams," Coach Mike Shanahan said. They were "kind of tied at the X receiver position. We felt those two guys had played the best through the OTAs and that's why Joey was listed along with Roydell as the No. 1 X."

The coaching staff moved top wideout Santana Moss from the X spot to Z, or flanker, during the offseason. It appears the 10-year veteran has a firm grip on his position, so the battle for playing time will be at the spot opposite Moss.

Washington traded its first-round pick in the 2008 draft and selected Thomas, Kelly and pass-catching tight end Fred Davis with its three second-round picks. Davis impressed while starting in place of injured Pro Bowler Chris Cooley last season.

After struggling with maturity issues as a rookie, Thomas improved his work habits last season, bumped Kelly from the starting lineup in Week 6 and had a seven-catch, 100-yard, two-touchdown performance in a Week 13 loss to the New Orleans Saints. But he sat out the final two games in 2009 because of an ankle injury.

Kelly missed most of his rookie season because of knee issues the Redskins were aware of when they drafted him. He worked hard to recover from microfracture surgery and impressed during the 2009 preseason, but was demoted in favor of Thomas because former head coach Jim Zorn was dissatisfied with Kelly's route running.

Thomas and Kelly were slowed again by injuries during Shanahan's offseason program. "Both guys were hurt," Shanahan said. "Devin had some problems with his legs and so did Malcolm, and you can't really impress anybody if you're not practicing."

Redskins officials did their due diligence in discussing whether to sign former free-agent wideout Terrell Owens, who this week joined the Cincinnati Bengals, but Shanahan didn't want Owens. A trade for San Diego Chargers wideout Vincent Jackson remains a possibility. A lot may depend on how Thomas and Kelly fare in the preseason.

"They will get their chances," Shanahan said of the third-year players. "This is where we start. It's a starting point. It's surely not where we're gonna finish. It could be. There's gonna be competition. There was competition today. Devin had a very good [first] practice today and made some good catches. It's part of an evaluation process. But you have to start somewhere."

By Jason Reid  |  July 30, 2010; 4:45 PM ET
 
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We could have taken Galloway over Michael Westbrook in 1995. It would have been ok to have him starting at receiver back then. Now, not so much.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 30, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Cows on skateboards I would watch!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 30, 2010 4:52 PM

you asked, and therefore I shall provide:

http://themomblog.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/06/skateboarding-cow.jpg

out here in the high desert, we actually put up signs to warn the tourists:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kPEtXsk68lk/StH4DsRdy7I/AAAAAAAALDk/KawxAtKnKcw/s400/0.jpg

and McDonalds recently recognized the unlimited marketing potential in China:

http://skateandannoy.com/aa-sna-uploads/2007/08/china-mcdonalds.jpg

need I say more about the global popularity of skateboarding cows???

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

AH isn't the only person who Shanny is sending a message to. You listening DT11 and MK12?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 5:18 PM

MOL zeke, was just about to post the following:

Shanahan said "...you can't really impress anybody if you're not practicing."

coach-speak is a case example of subtext... if anyone cares to read between the lines.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Heard today on 106.7 that AH's trainer has never trained anyone involved in any major sport. He has however trained the Chinese Olympic badminton and table tennis teams to 8 gold medals however. No joke..

How anyone can call this a pissing match between Shanny and AH? The expectations are crystal clear, complete the conditioning test or continue to retake it until you do. He cannot be cleared to participate until he does, and Shanny hasn't "switched anything up", "pulled a fast one", nor is he "being stubborn" or "proving a point. "

He "killed " the first 300 yd shuttle yesterday only to take a 10min break between sets when he was told that he's only permitted a 3 min & 30 sec break. He then attempted to retake the test and failed… Fast forward to today and he finished with the same result.

A lot of decent bloggers taking the wrong side of this discussion.

This is 100% on Albert.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

A lot of decent bloggers taking the wrong side of this discussion.

This is 100% on Albert.


Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 5:22 PM

You're right. Albert isn't being singled out. Those other guys passed a timed conditioning test, right? 100% WRONG!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

So...who's side are we supposed to be on?

If Albert really wants to practice -- that's a good thing, right?

What we've heard of the guy, you would think he would try to get 72 seconds in the shuttle the next couple of days so that he would have the day off to ride the bike and 'learn the system.' Just take the week easy until coach says he's passed.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 30, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan is Done Commenting on Haynesworth's Condition"

Now if only Gtown85 would follow suit.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If these guys are 25 and having 'leg problems', dump 'em now, while you can get something for them. 28 or 29 year old guys with 'leg problems' are playing slow pitch softball on Sundays.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | July 30, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 5:33 PM

how is life as a 25 year-old disco queen, nurse, and proud parent in Australia? must be sweet pulling in $250K+ each year!!!

also love your body type... "More to love!"

http://www.myspace.com/378974995

glad to see the 'skins dedication, posting through the night from down under.

of course, such handles could always be pulled randomly from the ether.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember when Viny resigned ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.. got fired?

He issued some lame press release about how he hoped to be remembered for the solid stockpile of talent and the foundation left in place, that the cupboard was not bare etc.

How has that played out?

Not very well Vinny. Not very well.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok trade talks r back on!!!!!
U guys kno how I feel.....
I think shanny feels the same, galloway was with first team offense.....
We need wr help bad
Jackson will be a redskin
I think smith softens his stand n takes a 2nd this yr n a 3rd next
Maybe a 2nd n a 4th performance conditional pic
Win now, shannys words not mine
I also think one of our cbs could be on the block to bmor, there hurtin
We could recoup a pick, they want a sb n got 0 cbs

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 30, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on the MS vs AH situation. Shanny knows the importance of the players being a TEAM and chemistry. That clearly wasn;t there following the AH absence and his teammates' comments and lack of support. With Shanny being hard on AH, AH is starting to gain the support of his teammates again. AH will owe them once he is allowed to practice again. Head Games? Sure, but so what!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | July 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Moo-

Not sure I want to know how or why you found gtown85's MySpace page but that's funny..

And here I gave him the benefit of graduating from Georgetown in 1985 even though every time he posted most up here thought that possibility was as crazy as his myspace page.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Why should Mike Shanahan go "easy" on Albert Haynesworth, when he didn't come to ANYTHING this offseason and publically expressed that he did not want to play in this defense? Should Shanahan allow this to go on too long...no, but for ONCE it's clear who's in charge.

Remember Tom Coughlin in NY...they hated him for this stuff too, but I seem to remember they won a Super Bowl.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"He has however trained the Chinese Olympic badminton and table tennis teams to 8 gold medals however. No joke.."

Dude, that's freakin HILARIOUS in itself if it's true.

As far as the receivers go, well, only Vinny would draft 3 WR's with the top three picks in a draft that was deemed one of the worst for WR's and one of the best for OLmen.

That's just as funny as the Chinese trainer(see above comment).

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Remember Tom Coughlin in NY...they hated him for this stuff too, but I seem to remember they won a Super Bowl."

I think of that everytime I hear what's going on now.

Strahan whined and complained and was 2 minutes late for a meeting??? and got sent home.

They won a SB and people quickly forgot about all of that.

Feels the same to me now....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 30, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"Heard today on 106.7 that AH's trainer has never trained anyone involved in any major sport. He has however trained the Chinese Olympic badminton and table tennis teams to 8 gold medals however."

Albert is already thinking about his post-Washington career plans.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse


The other players didnt have to take a test becauser they completed training that Fatsworth sat out! He didnt work with the team so he has to take a test to see how fit he is! He got paid so much money that his fat @$$ BETTER be in shape! Shanny is gonna whip this team back into shape! With or without Fat Albert!!! HAIL!!!

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | July 30, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 6:04 PM

the dude in Australia is just an innocent bystander...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I want to know how or why you found gtown85's MySpace page but that's funny..

And here I gave him the benefit of graduating from Georgetown in 1985 even though every time he posted most up here thought that possibility was as crazy as his myspace page.


Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 6:04 PM

LMAO! If you hadn't responded to his post I wouldn't have seen it. I should have known this ID was too common to be even remotely original. What will we learn next? That there's a male escort in Afghanistan that goes by the handle Diesel44 or cow breeder in China who is fondly called moodlymoodlymoo? Thanks for the laugh!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

gtown85 and any other apologist -
Haynesworth is being singled out because he was the only one who did not participate in any offseason programs, including the mandatory ones. He singled himself out. Numerous players and coaches voiced their displeasure with his behavior including defensive captain London Fletcher. I am sure the majority of the players are in agreement with Shanahan's handling of the situation. Nobody else has to take the timed version of the test because they were present during the offseason and had their conditioning supervised by the Redskins' staff. Quit defending the out of shape baby and let real football people handle their business.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosely of ESPN reports that Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant was helped off the field with an ankle injury. MRI scheduled for tomorrow...

:)

Posted by: rickyroge | July 30, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

here's my beef with the whole beep-beep pseudonym deal, not that others don't play the same game occasionally.

mainly, it makes it harder for newbies to enter the board and easier for trolls to lurk, because everything becomes suspect.

this is true anyway, but at least when opinions are attached to consistent handles, we can beat each other silly and take score.

followed RI for several years before I decided to join the discussion, and from experience can say it takes some time to establish yourself... effort that was worth it.

all of the random fun-house mirrors are good in moderation - I took an enjoyable shot at a fake news release once myself - but the latest excess of pseudonyms degrades rather than enhances the RI "game day" experience.

maybe we would be better off with a larger base of users who could provide witty and insightful (or boring and idiotic) comments, rather than recycling some of the same junk through a handful of users who are "clever" enough to establish fake accounts.

random trolls are an inevitability, but the systematic types who claim otherwise to be 'skins fans require some perverted sense of dedication that is hard for me to understand.

just a thought from a humble cow.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ok trade talks r back on!!!!!

U guys kno how I feel.....

I think shanny feels the same, galloway was with first team offense.....

We need wr help bad

Jackson will be a redskin

I think smith softens his stand n takes a 2nd this yr n a 3rd next

Maybe a 2nd n a 4th performance conditional pic

Win now, shannys words not mine

I also think one of our cbs could be on the block to bmor, there hurtin

We could recoup a pick, they want a sb n got 0 cbs

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"As far as the receivers go, well, only Vinny would draft 3 WR's with the top three picks in a draft that was deemed one of the worst for WR's and one of the best for OLmen."

Well, one of those WRs was a TE. Besides, the WR class was actually pretty deep. Teams got anxious about missing out on a top o-lineman and that resulted in a 'run' on those positions. It's as if the clubs decided as a group that there would be a decent WR waiting for them in the second or third round but that wasn't necessarily true for a tackle. That created the first incidence in NFL draft history where no WR went in the first round.

The other contributing factor was the lack of one or two WRs who were clearly head and shoulders above the rest. They all had flaws -- Kelly's health, Thomas' having played only one year. For Donnie Avery, DeSean Jackson, and Eddie Royal, it was their size.

This coming draft will feature four or five players who based on last year look like first round WRs. They're all big and fast, which is the current rage. One may drop down during the season, but for right now, it looks like the blue-ribbon position. Except for pass-rusher -- there's a bunch of those, too. And QB is not far behind, although you can never tell with quarterbacks. Brady Quinn and Jevan Snead looked like world beaters going into their last year, too.

Vinny gambled and lost. Bruce Allen will lose some of his bets, too, but we're hoping not so spectacularly.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Quit defending the out of shape baby and let real football people handle their business.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 6:19 PM

Not once have I defended AH and you should be aware of the fact that my and your comments have no effect on the "real football people". We are simply fans sharing our thoughts.

That said, when AH passes this test, he will be the only person that we know for sure is "in shape". Just sayin'.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I would say that with line woes on both offense and defense, Vinny gambled everything for nothing, because having a couple really good wide receivers would have solved nothing for the 2008 Redsksins. Vinny simply did the indefensible.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 30, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Ross Tucker of SI on the conditioning test:

"Not every team has a conditioning test. In my seven NFL training camps, I believe I had to pass a test of physical condition at the start of camp three times and was exempted one or two other times because of my participation in the offseason program. Not every conditioning test is the same, mind you. The Patriots required their linemen to run two sets of 10 40-yard dashes in six seconds each. There was a 30 second break between each individual sprint and a three-minute rest period that broke up the two sets."

"During my time in Buffalo, the big boys had to complete eight 68-yard dashes in 10 seconds, and though I don't recall the exact rest, I think it too was around 30 seconds between each sprint. This was not a terribly difficult test, so those who didn't pass it stuck out like a sore thumb."

"The toughest tests for me personally were the two 300-yard shuttles that Haynesworth failed in Washington. Some teams, like those coached by Bill Parcells, run them in 50-yard intervals, while others reduce it to 25. The difficulty I typically had is that no matter what type of shape I was in from a cardiovascular standpoint, my legs would always start to give out and get wobbly during the second shuttle because of all the turns involved in a shuttle test, especially those of the 25-yard variety."

"That's why Haynesworth's now-infamous bathroom break skews the test. (And why the Redskins reportedly made him start from scratch after the mid-test lavatory trip.) I'm not denying that he had to use the restroom, but the extra rest time he got between sets would have allowed his legs to receive more time to recover -- pretty much defeating the whole purpose of the test."

"The unfortunate part for Haynesworth is that if he had attended a certain percentage of offseason workouts, he wouldn't have had to even take a conditioning test."

"Not every team is such a stickler when it comes to conditioning testing, though. Take the Cody situation in Baltimore, which potentially showcases another common trait of camp conditioning tests: the slow clock on the re-test. You see, teams don't really want their players, especially young ones like Cody, missing precious practice reps. When they rookies run the test the first day with their teammates, the coaches have no choice but to run the test on the up-and-up. If somebody is clearly lagging behind, it has to be a failed test."

"The next day, however, when the re-test is given to just the player (or players) who failed, there is a strong tendency for those players to somehow miraculously find a way to pass the test. That's because the coaches can be, shall we say, liberal with the stopwatch."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I really don`t understand the people defending AH, if you took the money you do what your told,( SIMPLE AS THAT ).

I`m sure that when AH cashed that check he knew he was gonna get the wrath of Shanny, so I don`t feel in the least bit bad or sorry for him.

Actually I want an example made out of him, it will detour others from thinking the same thing.

I he didn`t want to be here, he could`ve left with out the money.

I`m sure many people would`nt be so nice and understanding if it were money comming directly out of their pockets for someone who doesn`t care to fall in line and you owned up to your side of a legal contract.

Posted by: TopSkinsFan | July 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Albert isn't being singled out. Those other guys passed a timed conditioning test, right? 100% WRONG!!
Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 5:33 PM

Most would consider this a defense. Just sayin'.
As to your other point, "we" are rather insignificant in the equation and it doesn't really matter what "we" think "we" may or may not know. Since they have stated otherwise, the "real football people" already know for sure that everyone else is in shape except for Albert.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 5:09 PM

Nice!! Now that's entertainment baby!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 30, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Dan and Vinny!

Posted by: bfjam | July 30, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't surprise me if one of those two aren't on this team come September.

Maybe both?

Posted by: SteveMG | July 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Hay, you no wen ur typign and thos dottid red lynes appere undir yur wurds?

That means you are spelling everything wrong... or rong.

Some times, you can even spell things rong with out receiving those dotted red lines... like when you write, "with out," even though it should be ONE word. Which you would know. Because you passed third grade.

Haynesworth's "Test" is BS. Shanny is just sugar-coating the punishment by calling it a test.

A 300 yard sprint? For a football player? Never, ever heard of it. A 300 yard shuttle? Insane. How many times during a game is a D Lineman gonna have to run 300 yards?

OK, how about EVER, in the history of Football?

Calling this thing a test is stupid. It's a punishment. JReid and the rest of the media GOTTA know this, right? I mean, Haynesworth will NEVER pass this "test." Shanny will eventually let him off the hook. That's it.

conditioning test my eye.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 30, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Gtown85...

So many posters have tried to explain this to you but you seem "Challenged" to understand, so I'm going to try and put it into terms that you may be able to relate to:

Remember when you were in high school and at graduation all the other kids got to dress up and walk across the stage to receive their diplomas while you, at 27 years of age were languishing in summer school remedial English class? That happened because they completed the required work to earn their diploma as outlined by your state/local school district.

After you FAILED your remedial English class, then worked as a corn tassler for 2 years, you went back to the local high school, took some GED classes, a test, passed it and were awarded a GED.

Whilst you were taking that GED test, I know you probably looked around the room wondering to yourself "Why are none of my high school classmates here? Why are they not being administered a TIMED test like I am?

Well, as your Mom explained to you later that day as you were moving into her basement, all the other kids had long since completed the required work for their diploma. (As outlined by the school district.

Fast forward to today. Albert is YOU, the rest of the 83 players in camp are your classmates, and Coach Shanahan is the school district.

Makes sense doesn't it big boy?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

LaConfora on nfl.com intimated that the skins aren't thrilled with the offseason work of DT and MK. Don't know if it's because they didn't put in the work or they just suck. sheesh

Posted by: skinswest | July 30, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

On the never-ending conditioning test debate...he failed today by 1 second, how hard can it be? This is a totally passable test, which will happen tomorrow.

How you say...bookeeet!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 30, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Most would consider this a defense. Just sayin'.
As to your other point, "we" are rather insignificant in the equation and it doesn't really matter what "we" think "we" may or may not know. Since they have stated otherwise, the "real football people" already know for sure that everyone else is in shape except for Albert.

Posted by: ripperb

If most would consider that a defense, most would be wrong. Just sayin'.

They don't know for sure the other guys are in shape because they didn't test them when training camp started. There's no way around that fact. Don't be dense.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

TOTD

If you don't want to spend your day running gassers don't PO your coach. [I learned this lesson in 1974 with a great comeback that made everyone except coach laugh]

Life is not fair so get over Al

The coach is in charge and this is HIS team

JLC is still weaseling when it comes to reporting the Skins, let it go Jasno

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"Enter the Dragon" is a classic parable, especially the mirrors at the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRhV3Cj6_sA&feature=related

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse


@ diesel44, ripperb, moodlymoodlymoo

gtown85 = wash, rince, repeat

This moron gtown85 has been on the board all day, posting the same argument, over and over. I'm over here hoping his computer crashes, and we'll be spared from his moronic manifest !!

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

@WaitingGuilty

Thanks for the story describing your own lengthy high school experience. Logic is not your friend.

You conveniently forgot the part where the students who graduated actually showed that they could pass a test by taking the test and having that test scored. By all accounts, the players who participated in the offseason conditioning program, did do the 300-yd shuttle drill BUT THEY WERE NOT TIMED. That clearly is equivalent to taking a test but not having it scored. Contrast that with Haynesworth-he's taking the test and he's having it scored (timed). And he's being kept back (something you're obviously acquainted with) when none of the others showed even once that they could complete the test in a given time.

In the interest of showing that they were in shape at some point, shouldn't they ALL have been timed at least once to make sure they were up to snuff, even it were, say, a month ago at the end of the offseason program? And I'm not saying timing them to necessarily determine who "passed" and who "failed", but timing them just to see where their conditioning stood.

Clearly, this conditioning "test" is not the end-all and be-all or the results would be tracked for everyone. He's being taught a lesson. Open your eyes (and come up with better anaologies).

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

@hessone

Actually, I've been RESPONDING to moronic arguments. Get your facts straight (if you can). :-)

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

from Keim;

…The Albert Haynesworth watch is getting ridiculous. We stick around watching Haynesworth go through defensive line workouts – with dummy bags serving as offensive linemen. Then he walks past the media throng only to have someone say Haynesworth isn’t talking.

Ah, but that’s where it turned out OK. When asked by one reporter if he thought the team was messing with him, Haynesworth replied, “I don’t give a sh--.”

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Dude,

Let me try to explain this to you. Is the fact that Albert Haynesworth having to take the conditioning test fair?

No. It is not fair but it is just. Sure Al is the only one who has to take the test to certain measurable and that may seem unfair due to fact that it is only for Al.

However, IT IS JUST! It is just because he is the only one who did not show up to 50% of OTAs. And that was the condition of not reporting to the voluntary workouts.

I hope this helps and ends this debate until Al fails or passes his test tomorrow.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


@gtown85

Fast forward to today. Albert is YOU, the rest of the 83 players in camp are your classmates, and Coach Shanahan is the school district.

Makes sense doesn't it big boy?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Co-sign

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse


Actually, I've been RESPONDING to moronic arguments. Get your facts straight (if you can). :-)

Posted by: gtown85

Fact is, you're a moron, hence, you are moronic !

PortisPocketsStraight

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@hessone,

Looks like the school district knows it made a mistake (i.e., a big distraction) and wants it all to go away (by not talking about it anymore). The worst part is that it's self-inflicted.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse


hessone = angry when you don't genuflect for Shanny

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I love Coach S being tough on these guys. The country club mentality has got to squashed completely before this teams has a chance of turning things around.

Posted by: DrWho2 | July 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Nice and funny post, "WaitingGuilty."

Haynesworth has made his own bed and he's definitely reaping what he has sowed. What I'm really concerned about is, he will eventually get his cardio back at some point this preseason or early season...hope is earlier than later, but I'm thinking Haynesworth didn't do any type of working out this past off season. Meaning I don't feel confident he even made it in to the weight room to keep his dominating strength.

Remember when John Jansen didn't use proper weight room "enhancers" any longer...he became a less than average lineman...just ask Bill Parcells about his John Jansen transformation coments.

Haynesworth has lost his motivation. I and most people think his motivation was his big payday. All those excuses in the off season were just that, excuses. He's a dog, and will not be the player he was two years ago in his contract year. He may be a still a decent player, but being a huge Redskins fan like everyone on here, it just stinks that he won't be the dominating player he once was.

And anyone who has played team sports, knows where London and Phillip are coming from...

Posted by: redskinbo | July 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I watched a segment on the local news (Channel 4) tonight. Albert was walking into the building and a reporter yelled out "are they picking on you, Albert?" Stompy said in reply, and I quote, "I don't give a s*it."

Hey if he doesn't give one, I certainly don't see why any of us should, least of all his fellow players.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"They don't know for sure the other guys are in shape because they didn't test them when training camp started. There's no way around that fact. Don't be dense.Posted by: gtown85"

Well, if they had the other players in the off-season conditioning program, they'd have a much better idea, wouldn't they? They tested a guy the coaches haven't seen for months, right?

I have to wonder what the Jesuits were teaching at Georgetown back in the mid-80's... apparently it wasn't logic.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, if they had the other players in the off-season conditioning program, they'd have a much better idea, wouldn't they? They tested a guy the coaches haven't seen for months, right?

I have to wonder what the Jesuits were teaching at Georgetown back in the mid-80's... apparently it wasn't logic.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 30, 2010 8:14 PM

You allergic to logic too? Your post added nothing to the discussion.

Nothing you said alters the fact that they didn't test those guys in the offseason or before training camp and don't know if they're "in shape" or not. Yet they're hellbent on testing Haynesworth and having him "pass". Funny.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Report: Dez Bryant "likely" has high ankle sprain

Posted by Evan Silva on July 30, 2010 7:24 PM ET

ESPN's Tim MacMahon reports that the injury suffered by Cowboys rookie receiver Dez Bryant toward the end of Friday's practice is "likely" a high ankle sprain. Bryant is scheduled for an MRI on Friday night.

Cowboys executive V.P. Stephen Jones expressed optimism when asked about the injury earlier in the day, but league sources tell MacMahon that the damage to Bryant's ankle is significant.

Bryant was the talk of spring practices and the start of training camp, and will lose momentum if he's sidelined for 2-4 weeks. The injury also likely means that Roy Williams' starting job is safer.

Assuming MacMahon's report is correct and Bryant's ankle sprain is of the high variety, slot receiver Patrick Crayton figures to get a bump in practice reps. Once a staple of Dallas' three-receiver sets in the slot, Crayton opened camp no higher than No. 4 on the depth chart.

UPDATE: Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Friday night that he expects Bryant to miss 4-6 weeks. And Roy Williams just dropped another pass.

Here is a nice excuse for cowboy fan when we kick their ass on Sept. 12.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Albert isn't being singled out. Those other guys passed a timed conditioning test, right? 100% WRONG!!

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 5:33 PM

Not once have I defended AH

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 6:33 PM

If most would consider that a defense, most would be wrong. Just sayin'

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:12 PM

Defend (defined) - verb - to support (an argument, theory, etc.) in the face of criticism.

gtown85 please elaborate on how you could characterize your incessant support of Haynesworth in any way other than to say you are defending him. Clearly you do not have a grasp of the english language.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 30, 2010 6:22 PM

Cosign, my bovine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

gtown85 please elaborate on how you could characterize your incessant support of Haynesworth in any way other than to say you are defending him. Clearly you do not have a grasp of the english language.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 8:41 PM

I don't know if AH thinks that this conditioning "test" is simply a tool to humble him or that his conditioning might actually be better than many of his teammates. I do. Therefore, since I don't know his position, my arguments can hardly be termed at this point "in support of" Haynesworth since the truth is his viewpoint may very well be directly opposed to mine.

Get acquainted with a dictionary and absorb the information therein.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

They don't know for sure the other guys are in shape because they didn't test them when training camp started. There's no way around that fact. Don't be dense.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:12 PM

Really??? How obtuse are you? So all of the effort that every other player put in during the offseason under the evaluation of the training staff has no value? Obviously to the people that matter you are wrong. For that I am thankful.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Funny but true convo between Rony Seikaly (Cuse alum & former Miami Heat) & John Salley..

(Seikaly said) "Hey, man, how do you play all the way into June?" Remember, I'd been with the Pistons for six seasons and made the playoffs every year. I say, "What'd you say?" He goes, "The playoffs, third round, you guys play all the way to, like, June 28."

"Uh, that's what you do when you win a championship," I say.

"But you only get paid from November to April. That's taking too much of the summer, man. This is ridiculous."

I say: "Well, playing for a championship is about pride. It's not about money."

He says: "It has to be, because this is some bulls---. You guys play an extra two months."

And I was like, holy s---. I didn't even realize it. I was playing an extra two-and-a-half months, for free.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Really??? How obtuse are you? So all of the effort that every other player put in during the offseason under the evaluation of the training staff has no value? Obviously to the people that matter you are wrong. For that I am thankful.

Posted by: ripperb | July 30, 2010 9:08 PM

It has value, ripperb, but not the quantitative value of this conditioning "test" done at the start of training camp, where you are actually timed and not just going at whatever pace. Further, a lot can happen in that one month between the offseason program and the beginning of training camp. I guess the only person we'll know for sure is "in shape" is Haynesworth. Everybody else is suspect.

Facts are pesky.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Ok Shanny. AH is in camp, ready to work. You've flexed, proven your point, asserted your authority. "Let" him pass and let's get this chirade over with. Oh and neither MK or DT will be on the team next year. Only DT survives the season and is quietly cut before 2011. But what do you expect from a Vinny pick?? One guy with chronic knee problems out of college (yikes) and the other guy only has 1 year of college ball. Good work Vinny. Of course to be fair I would have picked Limas Sweed. He's pretty much done already as well. Just not a strong draft class for receivers, at least to use your 2 highest choices on them... again - good work Vinny.

Posted by: scoot21 | July 30, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Haynesworth passes that test tomorrow and promptly starts showing how much better he can make the defense and, by extension, the offensive line by not dogging it in camp. The longer the episode lingers, the worse it is for the TEAM, imo.

Peace.

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that Haynesworth will miraculously "pass" his conditioning test after Goldston gets repeatedly manhandled by Silverback.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 30, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Really, who cares about Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly? It's obvious after 2 years that neither will ever be a contributer. Their reps would be better used on other wr's - like T.O. (sike)

Posted by: coparker5 | July 30, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse


Facts are pesky.

Posted by: gtown85

Not as pesky as you pal. And that's a fact.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

beeps peeps.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 30, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 30, 2010 7:02 PM |

Too freakin' funny!!!

Posted by: bgmathis | July 30, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me translate Shanahan's comments because he was being a bit subtle. What he was trying to say about Thomas and Kelly was: "Who's the moron who drafted these 2 stiffs?"

Posted by: randysbailin | July 30, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gtown85 | July 30, 2010 7:31 PM

I think that sums it up pretty well. We'll find out soon enough if guys are in shape. It is a little strange that offseason conditioning test aren't timed but I guess it's not important.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | July 30, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse


Ceratto's ghost remains, walking the halls of Redskin Park. Long way to go.

Posted by: hessone | July 30, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not dumb. There is a point to his insistence in making Albert pass the conditioning test. This is beyond revenge grudge, it is about how to really "control" Albert Haynesworth. Just read the first few paragraphs of this article to understand Shanahan's ultimate goal with Albert:

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/05/redskins-albert-haynesworths-mother-knew-best

Albert "wants" to be controlled and it will take a real man (or his mother) to do that! Zorn definitely was not, but Jeff Fisher was, and now Shanahan will be.

Posted by: JohnWWW | July 31, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that 50% of the OL & DL linemen (300 + lbs) in the NFL could not pass this test. Coach Shannahan has made his point; a point which needed to be made. Now its time to get the man on board with team and move on; otherwise this will continue to be a big distraction for the entire team. You just got to know, privately the locker room will start to get split. A great coach would find a way to get this behind them and get the focus on game numero one. It should all be about the Cowboys right now, not AH.

Posted by: elderdave1 | July 31, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Ceratto's ghost remains, walking the halls of Redskin Park. Long way to go.

Posted by: hessone
Yeah I see ur point but ironically Cerratto isn't dead (yet). I think it would be better to say Cerratto's stank still lingers more than his ghost; being a ghost implies you have a soul.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 31, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that 50% of the OL & DL linemen (300 + lbs) in the NFL could not pass this test.

-Elderdave


Dave....

You are correct sir...but Shanahan does not want that half of the league's linemen in his camp.

Get it?

The test was hard....and when it's January and we are 9-6 playing one (1) game to make the playoffs, you'll understand why that half (50%) of the league is not on the team that you are rooting for.

Shanahan is an annoying presence in anyone's life that does not want to sacrifice and win.

That's what he does...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 31, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

"Nothing you said alters the fact that they didn't test those guys in the offseason or before training camp and don't know if they're "in shape" or not. Yet they're hellbent on testing Haynesworth and having him "pass". Funny.Posted by: gtown85"

LOL couple of flaws in the above argument.

1) the assumption that the only way to know if players are in shape is the conditioning test, and if a player doesn't take that test, there's no way to know for sure if he's in condition to play. Fact is, if the team has had a player in an off-season conditioning program, working with him every week under their supervision, they likely know more about his condition than they would find out through the test.

2) Imposing the test selectively doesn't automatically make it unfair. They would be within their rights to use a 'test' only in certain situations where they hadn't worked with the player in the off-season. Such as with a rookie, a FA from another club, or Albert Haynesworth.

3) It's also entirely possible that based on an evaluation of last season's performance, the coaching staff decided that certain players had conditioning problems, and chose to selectively impose a conditioning test at the start of camp. I don't know of anyone who's argued that Albert was in good condition at the start of last year's camp. As an employer, the club is entitled to make certain special requirements of Albert based on his prior performance.

I think what you've done is seize on one fact -- that the conditioning test is selectively imposed -- to argue its unfairness. A better argument would have been based on Ross Tucker's explanation of how the test is administered. If Shanahan were using it to punish Haynesworth for noncompliance with his program, that might be unfair.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 31, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

@Sampson151,

I appreciate your reasoned argument (that's more than I can say for most who post on this board), but you are still wrong.

You state that it is a "fact" that they "likely" know if the players are in shape. Need I go further?

The rest of the players underwent no hard and fast "test" like Haynesworth. They might be in the best shape ever or they might not. You say the coaches know that they are "likely" in shape. If that works for you, so be it.

If Shanahan had exercised a little common sense with Haynesworth, he'd be on the field with his teammates, playing nose tackle, and being worked hard. Instead he's now luxuriating and resting up for this 'Holy Grail' conditioning test!

Haynesworth 1
Shanahan 0

Posted by: gtown85 | July 31, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

AH deserves every bit of the medicine he's getting. Mike doesn't even want AH on the team so what does he care if he completely humiliates him? No team was willing to give much for AH before training camp so why do we care how much he could be worth during training camp?

Mike's not trying to prove a point. Either AH passes the test or he doesn't. It's not like Mike is booby trapping the course with obstacles. Run the damn test and pass it. AH... You could have avoided all of this had you put team and not self first.

Posted by: motiongrfx | July 31, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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