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Redskins will interview Bill Romanowski

The Washington Redskins are planning to interview Bill Romanowski for their strength and conditioning coach opening, but a league source warned that an interview doesn't mean Romanowski is any type of favorite for the job.

The Redskins parted ways with their entire strength and conditioning staff last month and have yet to hire anyone. Pitt assistant Buddy Morris interviewed for the position a couple of weeks ago and Fox's Jay Glazer first reported that the team will also talk with Romanowski, a controversial figure who was intimately tied with the BALCO investigation and has admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs.

Romanowski, who played in Denver for Mike Shanahan from 1996-2001 and now heads his own nutritional supplement company, made overtures to replace Shanahan as the Broncos' coach last year. At the time, he told the Associated Press what he thought he'd bring to the table as a head coach and said he'd have a full-time nutrionist on staff and hire the top strength and conditioning coaches possible.

"I'd have literally a full-time person mixing up protein shakes every day," Romanowski told the AP last year. "The business is football, which is having fast, strong, explosive players."

Romanowski didn't get the Denver job, and it'd shock many if he received serious consideration for the one in Washington. The league would likely have to sign off on any team hiring a strength and conditioning coach who has admitted to using steroids and HGH in the past.

At any rate, the most certain thing is this: The Redskins can't take too much more time before hiring someone. Several players are still in the area, rehabilitating from injuries, working out at Redskins Park and the team must have a strength and conditioning staff hired soon to install an offseason program.

By Rick Maese, Jason Reid  |  February 9, 2010; 3:34 PM ET
 
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Comments

.............And then?

Posted by: jmicrodoc | February 9, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The team's just probably trying to get a source for underground HGH...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Haven't had many strong opinions on the hires to Shanahan's staff, but Romanowski is a massive NO. Very familiar with his act, since he played much of his career in the Bay Area and still lives around here. Keep him out.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2006-09-27/bay-area/17312758_1_bill-romanowski-nfl-games-49ers

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 9, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

No, no, no; I say again, no.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 9, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I’d love to see them hire someone with Romo’s dedication and intensity…..just not Romo himself…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 9, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

F THIS!!!

ROID-ANOWSKI as Strength and Conditioning Coach?!!!

He's a World-Class Cheat and Scumbag!!

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

ROMO IS SCUM! Shanahan was an enabler of this guys reckless behavior and total lack of respect for his teammates or the game. I loathe him. KEEP HIM OUT OF REDSKINS PARK!

Posted by: mjwies11 | February 9, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Can't stand Romanowski. I have no idea whether he'd be any good as a coach but I just thought he was a jerk as a player. Hiring an admitted past user of PEDs as your strength and conditioning coach probably isn't the greatest idea either.

Posted by: skinswest | February 9, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I loathe Bill Romanowski, and I would be upset if he joined the Redskins' staff in any capacity.

The mere suggestion of this particular guy being considered for a strength and conditioning job is disgusting to me. It's on the same level of cognitive dissonance as, say, having oil executives write the nation's energy policy, or having Wall Street bigwigs run the Wall Street bailout. It feels patently wrong, and obviously so...

F Bill Romanowski
F hiring Bill Romanowski for any job with the Redskins
F chRIs LaRrY

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's not do that.

Posted by: min7th | February 9, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

How the Vikings put together their formidable offensive line:

Left Tackle: McKinnie ('02, first round, #7)
Left Guard: Hutchinson (FA Seattle)
Center: Sullivan ('08, 6th round,pick #187)
Right Guard: Herrera (undrafted FA)
Right Tackle: Loadholt ('09 draft, pick 54)

Backups: Hicks, undrafted, Cooper, undrafted, R. Cook ('06, pick #51)

Like the Jets, the Vikes depend on two high draft picks, a low pick, and free agents. None from rounds 3-5.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I say hire Romanowski. He brings passion, fire,attitude and leadership. He is a 15 yr. vet who played at an exremely high level throughout his career. He can only make us better, stronger, and nastier.

Posted by: chamidi | February 9, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? I'll pass. Sorry, but an admitted steroid user is trying to be a strength and conditioning coach? You cannot make this stuff up!

Posted by: suzannepdc | February 9, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: chamidi | February 9, 2010 4:13 PM |
I say hire Romanowski. He brings passion, fire,attitude and leadership. He is a 15 yr. vet who played at an exremely high level throughout his career. He can only make us better, stronger, and nastier.


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He reached that "Extremely High" level BY USING HGH, STEROIDS and AMPHETAMINES!!!

and the only way he'll make our players better, stronger and nastier is BY USING HGH, STEROIDS and AMPHETAMINES!!!

Oh....and lots of SHAKES! Great Plan!

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Dude was an animal. If you have ever seen the longest yard on DVD they have an outtake where Bill is supposed to head butt a locker and dents it, but in the outtake they replace the easily bendable locker door with a real one. He headbutts it as hard as he can and continues the scene like it was supposed to happen...the dude is bat sh*t crazy

Posted by: BostonWarPath | February 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

He was pretty great in Adam Sandler's version of The Longest Yard... maybe we should give him a shot.

then again...

Posted by: Dorf | February 9, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I've said this before and I will say this again, HELL'S NO! Bill Romanowski is a scumbag, exactly the WRONG type of person to bring in for this rebuilding effort.

He is a drug cheat. He is a racist (spat at JJ Stokes, ended Marcus Williams's career, has allegedly made racist comments).

I echo Rotoworld when I say I hope Shanahan is just tossing a bone to an ex player of his because I honestly cannot root for the Skins if Romonowski is involved in any capacity, I really can't.

I'll root for the Skins through good years and bad but bringing in someone like Romo is just too much.

Posted by: Liebercreep | February 9, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Warren Beatty swore by Whey shakes when he played for the Rams

Posted by: ocskins | February 9, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn really loved Smoothies with Bananas, perhaps he would make a great hire as a strength and conditioning coach

Posted by: ocskins | February 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

He is a racist (spat at JJ Stokes, ended Marcus Williams's career, has allegedly made racist comments).

How does this make him a racist.. i am not saying he isn't, i don't know him personally, but man those are strong words to be throwing out.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll file this report under 'WTF?'

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

BA will never sign off on Romanowski.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 9, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 4:33 PM |

Point 1 - Highlight reels are a better measure of a player's worth than ProBowls. (Never said that)

Point 2 - CP has accomplished more statistically in this league than LaVar, but you'd never compare an RB to an LB. (Never said that either)

Point 3 - LaVar didn't have the proper driver's license. (True, he doesn't follow direction, on or off the field)

Point 4 - Sean Taylor. Don't ask me why he's connected...just... Sean Taylor. (I mentioned Taylor because his career was shorter, yet filled with bigger plays than LaVar's longer, and decidely less productive career).
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I didn't respond with insults to your comments on my original post. However, you went with "chump" and "idiot" right out of the gate, then whined like a little girl when you got something tossed back at you.

But ultimately you're right: You shouldn't post back and forth with me; you can't keep the facts straight, you don't read for content, and you dish an insult but cannot take one in return without braying like a scalded dog.

Enjoy your low-testosterone existence here on RI, pal!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 9, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Got this from Romo's site...at least he knwos his football.

Who Will Win:

This game reminds me of Super Bowl XXXII when the Denver Broncos played the Green Bay Packers. We (Denver Broncos) were 13 point under dogs and the quarterbacks were John Elway ad Brett Favre. We won because we outplayed them, we out hit them and John Elway played one of the greatest games of his life to prove himself to be the better quarterback that day.

This game is not going to come down to stats, players on paper, schemes, or anything else predictable. Just like Super Bowl XXXII, the hungriest team with the best quarterback and best blitz schemes will come out as the World Champions. These quarterbacks are very evenly matched, but given the Saints’ offensive diversity against the Colts’ injured defense, I predict Saints to be the Super Bowl XLIV Champions after a very close game.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

What..? there are NO strength and conditioning coaches available in the entire country? Not one strength coach at all?? We have to go and get a psycho/cheat??
They gotta be kidding, right?

Posted by: scmonty1 | February 9, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

bring back bubba tyer!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 9, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

This is like sending Pookie to work undercover in The Carter. How'd that work out?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody yet compared this (and I have to keep reminding myself it's an interview, not yet a hire) to Tony LaRussa's hiring Mark McGwire as a hitting coach?

I love the notion of a coach's loyalty to a player who gave his all for many years. Love that, as a general rule. But a player who got a competitive advantage by breaking the rules should not get the benefit of that kind of loyalty, if the integrity of the game means anything.

I'm uncomfortable with the notion of Mark McGwire participating in baseball in any kind of job, as an admitted cheater. (I'd be really ticked off if he were associated with a team I cared about.) But somehow I'm less bothered by McGwire's role as a hitting coach than I am by the possibility of Romanowski as the Redskins' strength and conditioning coach.

Just... ugh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

One overlooked story of the superbowl is that of Pierson Prioleau. This guy has followed Gregg Williams from Buffalo to Washington to Jacksonville to New Orleans. His loyalty and dedication has earned him a Superbowl ring.....congratulatons Pierson

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 12:06 PM

I would say this falls more in to the category of "No one gives a sh!t," as opposed to overlooked. It would matter if the guy was good but he's just a guy.

Posted by: scampbell197bn
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Well i guess that would make you the sh!t face that gives a sh!t because you responded...dumba$$

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Next they'll introduce Bernie Madoff as the new CFO.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Well i guess that would make you the sh!t face that gives a sh!t because you responded...dumba$$

Posted by: kingpenn1

dude you have egg on your face, wipe it off before you post next time or you just come across as a jerk who can't take criticism.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 9, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2010 4:45 PM

Good Analogy.

If I was a Cards fan I be more PO'ed that they hired a .263 career hitter to be their hitting coach then a cheat.

News Flash for everyone...Everyone cheats, If you ain't cheating then you ain't trying.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

OJ Simpson will interview for the vacant Anger Management coach position.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Jack Kavorkian will interview for team doctor.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Romo as strength coach wouldn't work for a lot of reasons, but chief among them: he was extremely self motivated and inclined towards working out and taking nutritional supplements (and "b12"). '

Funny, it's the same reason I think guys like Mark McGuire and Frank Robinson make crappy hitting coaches. People with that much intrinsic talent and desire don't understand how to convey their knowledge.

They make poor teachers. That, and Romo's too much of a d!ck.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well i guess that would make you the sh!t face that gives a sh!t because you responded...dumba$$

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 4:40 PM |

You honestly thought that was good enough to repost?

That's weak man. Come up with something better to get me riled, that's just kids play. That sh!t you're flinging ain't no better than the jizz stuck to the back of your daddies leg after his "workout" session with his new "trainer."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 4:56 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Jack Kavorkian will interview for team doctor.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 5:00 PM

That's funny. If only he would have been on staff last year we could have put the whole season down quickly. That sh!t was a slow, agonizing death.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Haven't had many strong opinions on the hires to Shanahan's staff, but Romanowski is a massive NO. Very familiar with his act, since he played much of his career in the Bay Area and still lives around here. Keep him out.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2006-09-27/bay-area/17312758_1_bill-romanowski-nfl-games-49ers

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 9, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

LOL! He got into a verbal argument with a 7th grader?? Surprised that 7th grader still has his eye socket. What a joke this guy is. Awful, just awful.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 9, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

kingpenn1 will interview for Director of Snappy Comebacks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Charles Manson as Spiritual Consular/Chaplan

Posted by: ocskins | February 9, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Original_etrod on a roll.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

LOL! He got into a verbal argument with a 7th grader?? Surprised that 7th grader still has his eye socket. What a joke this guy is. Awful, just awful.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 9, 2010 5:03 PM |

Wouldn't that be akin to get into a verbal argument with Portis. I mean, it's obvious Portis ain't that bright. He should be thanking God every night that football exists. Still, I love the guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I think the common trend is that teams often draft the left tackle high in the first round.

The lg, center, rg, and rt can be a mix of free agency, mid round draft picks, and undrafted FAs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Romo = good hire

This skins sorely need some toughness. Who cares if he took roids as long as he isn't selling/giving them to skins players

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Romo = good hire

This skins sorely need some toughness. Who cares if he took roids as long as he isn't selling/giving them to skins players

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Romo = good hire

This skins sorely need some toughness. Who cares if he took roids as long as he isn't selling/giving them to skins players

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:28 PM

Craziness/insanity should not be mistaken for toughness. Maybe our players need some of that stuff. An awful lot of them looked pretty soft last year (said with tongue in cheek)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

You honestly thought that was good enough to repost?

That's weak man. Come up with something better to get me riled, that's just kids play. That sh!t you're flinging ain't no better than the jizz stuck to the back of your daddies leg after his "workout" session with his new "trainer."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 4:56 PM
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After reviewing alot of you previous postings I've come to realize that I am dealing with a pre-teen punk so before your mommy and daddy get upset with me, I'll leave your little young dumba$$ alone.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

don't forget that one of my favorite all time Redskins and probably many of yours ST21 got in trouble for spitting in other players faces also.......its football, choir boys need not apply

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

don't forget that one of my favorite all time Redskins and probably many of yours ST21 got in trouble for spitting in other players faces also.......its football, choir boys need not apply

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't seem like a good idea. On top of all the other stuff, isn't dude slightly brain damaged?

Posted by: mack1 | February 9, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

After reviewing alot of you previous postings I've come to realize that I am dealing with a pre-teen punk so before your mommy and daddy get upset with me, I'll leave your little young dumba$$ alone.


Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 5:35 PM

Your tard weak man. Why don't you go back to your Iggles blog. No one needs your Peirson man love around here. If you want to slob nob I'm sure the Cowgirls blog would love to have you too. You're problem is you wanna dish it but not take it. Everyone here knows I'm up for a good bout of nastiness all in good fun. But don't run and hide cause you got called out on your trick sh!t. Now I've got to go finish your momma off before your sister gets here cause I don't need any stank a$$ cat fights in my basement. Tell your daddy he can pick her up in an hour and let your girl know I'll be ready for her after your daughter finishes with the dishes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't seem like a good idea. On top of all the other stuff, isn't dude slightly brain damaged?
Posted by: mack1

So does Moe, but somebody lets him work......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't seem like a good idea. On top of all the other stuff, isn't dude slightly brain damaged?
Posted by: mack1

So does Moe, but somebody lets him work......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what kind of position they'd consider giving Romo.

But I'd be in favor of some arrangement where he's officially a "nutritional assistant" and unofficially his position is "lockerroom butt-kicker".

This organization desperately needs someone willing to go ape-nuts on the stubborn half-arsed prima donnas that seem to grow in this lockerroom.

If we were talking about giving Romo a roster spot, I'd say you are only adding to the problem.

But doing it via "staff-assistant"...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

and we bring in Luca Brasi to handle the debt collections on season tickets delinquies...

late to the game as always lately

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 9, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This organization desperately needs someone willing to go ape-nuts on the stubborn half-arsed prima donnas that seem to grow in this lockerroom.

If we were talking about giving Romo a roster spot, I'd say you are only adding to the problem.

But doing it via "staff-assistant"...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 5:51 PM

How did this team become a home for me firsters and divas? We used to be the exact opposite. I say give Romo the a$$ kicker job for a year and see what happens.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Your tard weak man. Why don't you go back to your Iggles blog. No one needs your Peirson man love around here. If you want to slob nob I'm sure the Cowgirls blog would love to have you too. You're problem is you wanna dish it but not take it. Everyone here knows I'm up for a good bout of nastiness all in good fun. But don't run and hide cause you got called out on your trick sh!t. Now I've got to go finish your momma off before your sister gets here cause I don't need any stank a$$ cat fights in my basement. Tell your daddy he can pick her up in an hour and let your girl know I'll be ready for her after your daughter finishes with the dishes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:49 PM
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Be careful little boy, you mommy and daddy could come in your room at any moment and catch you on the internet past your bedtime. Those preteen years are fun isn't it.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

He is a racist (spat at JJ Stokes, ended Marcus Williams's career, has allegedly made racist comments).

How does this make him a racist.. i am not saying he isn't, i don't know him personally, but man those are strong words to be throwing out.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse
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I can't cite any specifics, because I didn't care enough to remember, but I recall there being several allegations that he made racially offensive comments during his playing days.

He'd be bad news all around. Mike S, pls don't hire him.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 9, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Strength & Conditioning coaches at the NFL level should have years of experience behind them as well as the requisite educational grounding and certifications. Romanowski's claims to fame are shady links to Balco and HGH, dirty play on the field and a lack of any credentials to condition professional athletes. Horrible idea...

Posted by: randysbailin | February 9, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Be careful little boy, you mommy and daddy could come in your room at any moment and catch you on the internet past your bedtime. Those preteen years are fun isn't it.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 5:54 PM | Report

Gotta do better, you're entering perineum status. Maybe that's it. You must be taint boy's scorned lover. You could probably guess my age from my screen name but that would be too easy wouldn't it? But stick to your guns homegirl and you might get to give the reach around tonight. If you're good maybe I'll put in a word with perineum and see if he'll take you back. I think I hear your grandpa calling you for a little game of slap and tickle. Don't make him mad or you get chained in the attic again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Gotta do better, you're entering perineum status. Maybe that's it. You must be taint boy's scorned lover. You could probably guess my age from my screen name but that would be too easy wouldn't it? But stick to your guns homegirl and you might get to give the reach around tonight. If you're good maybe I'll put in a word with perineum and see if he'll take you back. I think I hear your grandpa calling you for a little game of slap and tickle. Don't make him mad or you get chained in the attic again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:59 PM
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I've got to go to work now, I can't play with you anymore....make sure that you brush that "tooth" before you go to bed and set your mickey mouse alarm clock so you won't be late for school.....GOODNIGHT...pleasant dreams

Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I've got to go to work now, I can't play with you anymore....make sure that you brush that "tooth" before you go to bed and set your mickey mouse alarm clock so you won't be late for school.....GOODNIGHT...pleasant dreams


Posted by: kingpenn1 | February 9, 2010 6:06 PM |

Hey man, hookin' for nickle bags ain't exactly work. I'd say it's been fun but you really got nothin'. I see your IQ is easy to figure by your screen name. Maybe you can put that to work over the next 3 or 4 tricks and come up wioth somethiong better later. Peace and HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If Romanowski becomes the conditioning coach, the offensive and defensive linemen will average 350 pounds w/ less than 10% body fat. When asked the key to such staggering physical prowess, Romo will just say: "It's my own secret formula"

Posted by: randysbailin | February 9, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bill Romanowski

1995 - fined $4,500 - Ejected for Kicking Larry Centers in the Head.

1997 - fined $20,000 after a helmet-to-helmet hit on Carolina Panthers quarterback Kerry Collins in a preseason game resulting in Collins sustaining a broken jaw.

1997 - Romanowski spat in the face of 49ers wide receiver J.J. Stokes on Monday Night Football.

1999 - fined a total of $42,500 for three illegal hits plus a punch thrown at Tony Gonzalez, and was also fined an undisclosed amount for throwing a football at Bryan Cox hitting him in the crotch.

2003- attacked and injured teammate, Marcus Williams, during a scrimmage. Williams was forced to retire after Romanowski confronted Williams after a play, ripped off his helmet, and crushed his eye socket with a punch.

Off the field, he and his wife were investigated for prescription drug fraud.

2005 - on 60 Minutes, Romanowski admitted to using steroids and human growth hormone that he received from Victor Conte, BALCO owner.

2006 - Romanowski, 40, who retired from the NFL in 2004, got into it with a seventh-grader from Lafayette who he felt was playing dirty against his Piedmont Highlanders.

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nutrition53.com/about-us-nutrition53.php

From his Nutrition53 site

"For Bill, performance wasn’t just a passion; it was a way of life. In his 16 year career in the NFL that included an almost unthinkable 243 consecutive games highlighted by five Super Bowls, he showed the kind of awe-inspiring skill and accomplishment that earned him a place in the national spotlight. So, too, did a passion for the game so intense it earned him an enduring reputation for badass ferocity. As an athlete, he learned firsthand the power of nutrition from the leaders in the field. Believing that he was only as strong as his weakest link, he spread his knowledge and resources for the betterment of his teammates throughout his career.

In his 16th NFL season, Bill’s quest took an urgent new turn: the incessant punishments of the playing field had left him with over 30 serious concussions, robbing him of mental abilities and memory. At his lowest point, he couldn’t remember his route home from the football field. With his quality of life in serious jeopardy, he put his years of knowledge to new use. Bill brought together the world’s best doctors, scientists, and nutritionists in neuroscience to arrive at a formulation that would fully restore his mental function. After retiring in 2004, he set his goals on sharing this same knowledge and resources with any individual seeking a better a life."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Romanowski addresses report of Redskins link
Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2010 6:06 PM ET
Earlier today, Jay Glazer of FOX reported that 16-year NFL linebacker Bill Romanowski would interview with the Redskins for the position of strength and conditioning coach.

In a Twitter post, Romanowski says this: "Just to get the records straight I wasn't called in by the Redskins to be their Strength and Conditioning Coach."

Technically, it doesn't mean he hasn't been or won't be considered for the job. It only means he hasn't gotten it yet and/or that he didn't go to D.C. for the purposes of seeking the job. Indeed, he acknowledges on his Twitter page that he is in Washington and that he has seen Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: Skins930 | February 9, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I think I hear your grandpa calling you for a little game of slap and tickle. Don't make him mad or you get chained in the attic again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:59 PM

What, no slap and pickle?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

In his 16th NFL season, Bill’s quest took an urgent new turn: the incessant punishments of the playing field had left him with over 30 serious concussions, robbing him of mental abilities and memory. At his lowest point, he couldn’t remember his route home from the football field. With his quality of life in serious jeopardy, he put his years of knowledge to new use. Bill brought together the world’s best doctors, scientists, and nutritionists in neuroscience to arrive at a formulation that would fully restore his mental function. After retiring in 2004, he set his goals on sharing this same knowledge and resources with any individual seeking a better a life."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 6:21 PM

Wonder how that would work with restoring lost brain cells...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 9, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I hear your grandpa calling you for a little game of slap and tickle. Don't make him mad or you get chained in the attic again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 5:59 PM

What, no slap and pickle?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 6:26 PM |

I'm pretty sure he plays that too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff. From the same site:

http://store.nutrition53.com/n53/Memory_Supplements_Neuro1_by_Nutrition53-c72.aspx

Notably absent from this nutrient list are the "hamster-monstering" minerals. Dude is in to monsters, apparently.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Curz-

This is Romo's product and its claim, sadly no exaggerated claim for brain cell restoration.

Neuro1 Mental Performance Formula is the first premium anti-aging brain food formula that dramatically increases circulation and blood flow to the brain for maximum performance. Our proprietary NeuroEnergetic Matrix™ combines research-proven levels of 30 neuronutrients that support better memory, sharper focus, improved mood, faster recall, enhanced mental and physical energy and long-term brain health.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What, no slap and pickle?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 6:26 PM |

I'm pretty sure he plays that too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

He better watch out, he just might wake up with a serious hangover, fuzzy handcuffs, and mustard all over his face after a 300 pound woman has recently screamed, "I'm gonna break your d!ck off!".

We've all been there.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Those mornings suck. Hard to sneak out from under a 300 pounder.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, fortunately I have a few billion left, though sometimes I can feel them burn up as I read through these comments.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 9, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny were still drafting ... and since he and Mel are apparently in cahoots:

Washington Redskins Top needs: QB, OT, RB, G, DE First round (4): Sam Bradford Second-round options (37): OT Charles Brown, OT Selvish Capers, RB Jahvid Best Third-round options: No third-round picks (used in the supplemental draft) Summary: For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

Posted by: periculum | February 9, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I've got to go to work now, I can't play with you anymore....make sure that you brush that "tooth" before you go to bed and set your mickey mouse alarm clock so you won't be late for school.....GOODNIGHT...pleasant dreams

And Campbell, don't forget to paint your bald spot you prissy little fem. That's about as good as you are at football prognosticating dude ... and after you paint your bald spot you can paint your nails.

Posted by: periculum | February 9, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

^^^peri

Outlandish claims regarding "franchise QB" aside, the list is somewhat true, but Mel and Vinny seem to ignore the fact that our 3rd rounder of this year's draft was already spent on DE, a very promising one at that in Jarmon. Not to mention the selection of Orakpo.

So essentially we need OT and RB, and how durable is this hamster wheel anyways?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, fortunately I have a few billion left, though sometimes I can feel them burn up as I read through these comments.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 9, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Did they burn up re-entering our carbon-infested atmosphere? Maybe you need an Arctic icepack. Or was that Antarctic?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | February 9, 2010 6:46 PM

Washington Redskins Top needs: QB, OT, RB, G, DE

__________________________

At #4 in the draft, the Skins will likely have the opportunity to draft the highest rated offensive player in the draft. Whomever that player is, they need to draft him.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

At #4 in the draft, the Skins will likely have the opportunity to draft the highest rated offensive player in the draft. Whomever that player is, they need to draft him.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Not a draft expert here so unsure of WRs available--but what if that player was a WR? Or TE? What if S Berry is still available and top OT is gone?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Well I'd say we've machine-gunned that trial balloon thoroughly.

Posted by: TheCork | February 9, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Any word on a new training staff Jason or Cindy?

Or did I miss that thread?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse


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Redskins will interview Bill Romanowski

By Rick Maese, Jason Reid | February 9, 2010; 3:34 PM ET
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Wow. that was quick...thanx U2.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Fair point. I wouldn't draft a defensive player at number 4. If someone wants Sperry I would trade out that spot. If the top offensive positions was WR or TE, I wouldn't pick that position although those positions aren't graded that high this year. But if it came down to running back or offensive line or QB I would stay and make that pick.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

GIVE ME A BREAK!! Why is Romanowski's name even being mentioned with the Skins? Are we not learning any lessions from all the stupid moves of the past. Jeeze man!! Why not also hire Michael Irvin to be our WR coach. Then the team can get all the drugs they need between the two of them.

Posted by: tnand | February 9, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

For all those worried about whether Romo is the right person for the job, I'd posit this:

1. The guys is a workout fiend, he lives and breathes this stuff, it's his life. Whether he did them himself versus whether a current player is/will take them are two completely different things.

2. Steroids are being tested regularly in the league. There would be no possible way to get by. Additionally the league would probably put more eyes on us because of him, meaning there would be even more scrutiny and incentive on us and we would have to make sure no one is *icking around with the stuff.

3. Romo was a nasty dude when he played, 'roids or not. Yeah he broke the rules and probably had a better career than he was suppose to but he did come out and say what he did unlike some of the other players who lie like Persian rugs and say the did nothing. Ultimately a guy who did the stuff could see who is doing it and who is not. Again another precaution.

4. With a workout fiend in place people can only go up. You can tell me a guy who is crazy about working couldn't help some of those slackers who are in need of guidance and supervision. All of us know a few right off the top of our head.

I say let him come in and do his thing. Steroids can be easy caught. HGH on the other hand is another story and as far as we know, more players use that than steroids so there are cheaters in the game anyway. At least I'll know where our man stands and know the league will be watching. As I said before, More Incentive to Fly Right and Do Right.

Posted by: ajb1094 | February 9, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

At #4 in the draft, the Skins will likely have the opportunity to draft the highest rated offensive player in the draft. Whomever that player is, they need to draft him.

They could also conceivably turn that pick into TWO stellar players in positions of greatest need... which in my mind is 1. OT, 2. OG, with RB/LB sitting at 3a and 3b.

Of course, Free agency could change the dynamics. Who was that OG we already signed?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 9, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

If this hiring goes through, I've got a tough decision. Defect to the team from Baltimore that took $250 million dollars that could have built better schools in my state; defect to the Cowboys to really get even with $nyder; or just give up on football all together. NO NO NO NO NO. I thought they put adults in charge of the team.

Posted by: jburnetti | February 9, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"At #4 in the draft, the Skins will likely have the opportunity to draft the highest rated offensive player in the draft. Whomever that player is, they need to draft him."


The best 4 offensive players in the draft:

CJ Spiller
Dez Bryant
Russell Okung
Mike Iupati

Which one do you draft?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 8:07 PM

In the end, it may be Anthony Davis, but based on your choices, I'd go with Okung, who has probably played more consistently than Iupati,and Okung can play both LT and RT. Spiller would be my second choice because he's so dynamic and would provide an element the Skins don't have. Iupati would be next, then Bryant.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Okung AND Iupati. Its doable.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 9, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey tainty the clown, your boyfriend was on here earlier complaining about how you two were having a lovers quarrel. You need to let kingpenn give the reach around tonight because he's tired of being the taker. These things happen, you guys will get through it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Those mornings suck. Hard to sneak out from under a 300 pounder.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 6:39 PM |

Also hard to sneak out from under a 3 footer, as long as we're doing 3s. And more is on the way.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go with TWISI's order on that Moe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

CJ Spiller
Dez Bryant
Russell Okung
Mike Iupati

Which one do you draft?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 8:07 PM

I like the list for the O, minus Iupai.

The four best overall players in the draft are:
1. Berry S
2. Suh DT
3. McCoy DT
4. Okung OT

You could flip flop the top 2 and I wouldn't argue.

We'll have a shot at one. I am more opposed to taking a QB at #4 than I am hiring Romo to be our strength and conditioning coach.

I've spent the better part of the last 15 years religiously hitting the gym and Romo knows what he's doing (243 consecutive starts at LB). He squeezed a 16 year career out of marginal talent with work ethic, dedication to training, and heart. We had a nice guy as a coach and that didn't "workout", so who wants a nice guy as a S & T coach.

I am now endorsing this potential hire. If you disagree and know what they’re talking then bring it, otherwise jump aboard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

In the end, it may be Anthony Davis, but based on your choices, I'd go with Okung, who has probably played more consistently than Iupati,and Okung can play both LT and RT.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 8:15 PM |

Campbell is better than any of them and Shanahan likes athletic lineman like him. A rare blend of size, speed and agility.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

OK everybody just calm down. I think this is just someones idea of a bad joke. They love to get the Redskins Nation fired up.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 9, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 8:39 PM |

Hey Mr. DuMass, howabout you jump overboard instead of me jumping on board?

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins can find a S&T Coach who is NOT the Odds on Favorite to be the next Chris Benoit!

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Why not also hire Michael Irvin to be our WR coach. Then the team can get all the drugs they need between the two of them.

Posted by: tnand | February 9, 2010 7:40 PM |

We could also hire Warren I M A Sapp for community outreach work, with a special mission to help broads who suffer from domestic violence probs.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mr. DuMass, howabout you jump overboard instead of me jumping on board?

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:43 PM

Funny, but you failed to read the part where I said...if you disagree and know what they’re talking then bring it.

If you want an arguement then hit up scamp, if you want to talk football then, you're at the right blog...but you got the wrong guy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

How the Chargers built their successful offensive line:

Left Tackle: McNeill (2nd round, '06 draft)
Left Guard: Dielman (undrafted FA)
Center: Hardwick (3rd round, '03 draft)
Right Guard: Vasquez (3rd round, '09 draft); Mruczkowski (7th round, '07 draft)
Right Tackle: Dombrowski (undrafted FA); Runyan (FA)

I can't help being impressed by how many of these top lines have one or more undrafted FAs in key roles.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The crazy thing is that Skins fans wanted VC gone so that some real football people would come in and make football decisions. Now we have those football people hired and peeps are ready to jump ship because of this potential hire?

Put me down in the camp that will support Allen and Shanahan in all decisions they make until such time as they prove themselves incapable of my trust, even if one of those decisions is to draft a QB with our #4 pick.

If they think Romo is the guy for this position, then I am on board w/Diesel on this.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 9, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the guy but the skins really need a guy with some attitude like this.

Our players act like pretty, tip-toeing ballerinas and they should be beasts. Give me some anger... (however you get it)!!! This guy is what football is supposed to be about.

Posted by: jspin77 | February 9, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins can find a S&T Coach who is NOT the Odds on Favorite to be the next Chris Benoit!

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 8:50 PM |

Not to worry. It's hard to hire guys out of hell. Satan drives a harder bargain than Scott Boras.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"Okung AND Iupati. It's doable."

Okung (1ST), Iupati (2ND), and LeFevour (4th) are my choices.

I'd like to snag B Tate as well.

A flexible linebacker (ILB/OLB) would be nice, too.

We need an undrafted wide receiver type or take a shot at J Shipley playing in the slot to replace ARE.

And that's my board, and it ain't changing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't help being impressed by how many of these top lines have one or more undrafted FAs in key roles.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 8:51 PM |

Good point. Skins don't need to blow their 1st round wad on some top-rated OL. It would be a waste.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

btw, nice work Samson151. Your research has made me rethink what should be done w/that #4 pick.

And to answer Moe's question, I would go w/Spiller, then look OT w/our 2nd.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

He squeezed a 16 year career out of marginal talent with work ethic, dedication to training, and heart.
I am now endorsing this potential hire. If you disagree and know what they’re talking then bring it, otherwise jump aboard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

1. He lasted 16 yrs with the HELP of performance enhancers - he might of been out the league alot sooner if not for the drugs. SO you really can't credit him for "squeezing" out anything.
2. He's obviously not a people person. He'll be dealing with all sorts of personalities, and he can't fly off the handle like he used to. He's got to be able to get along with everybody. What if someone doesn't take his advice on a certain workout? Will Romo snap on them..who knows.
3. You want to talk about somebody who knows what they're doing: Joey Galloway. Dude had phenomenal strength for his size. Benched well over 400lbs at about 185lbs, ran 4.3, etc. I'd pick him over Romo anyday.
4. What does Romo know about recovering from injuries or preventing injuries without relying on steroids and such?

Posted by: ga8085 | February 9, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Definitely co-signing on the Romo as S&C coach.

Yeah he made some mistakes in the past... It never ceases to amaze me how self-righteous some of you come off as.

I honestly don't think that he'll be in the bathroom stalls at Ashburn injecting players with 'roids.

Calm the f_ck down. It's really not that bad, damn.

Agree with Curz, all this time we all pissed and moaned how it seemed that it wasn't competent people making decisions, now the Redskins have that and some of you still b*tch about every POTENTIAL move that'll be made.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Skins don't need to blow their 1st round wad on some top-rated OL. It would be a waste.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:59 PM

So instead of being marginally funny, offer some insight, since a "top-rated OL would be a waste".

Who should they take?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the guy but the skins really need a guy with some attitude like this.

Posted by: jspin77 | February 9, 2010 8:55 PM |

Actually what the Skins need is a guy who can divert AH from Popeyes.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

ampbell is better than any of them and Shanahan likes athletic lineman like him. A rare blend of size, speed and agility.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 8:39 PM

Campbell is the wild card isn't he. The issue I think that would prevent from going in the top five is his playing experience. KC Joyner over at ESPN reviewed tapes of Davis, Williams, and Campbell(he hasn't done Okung yet). He said Campbell is by the most far the best run blocker of the bunch (says his metrics project him to be an elite OT in run blocking winning 92.1% of his blocks at POA). As far as Campbell's pass pro, he graded out as solid, but not elite. So I'd agree that Campbell provides the highest ceiling, but would you want to draft a guy that high if he hasn't shown that he can be on the field consistently?

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The Giants often get credit for their o-line. Here's how they got them:

Left Tackle: Diehl (5th round, '03)
Left Guard: Seubert (undrafted FA)
Center: O'Hara (FA, was rookie FA for another team)
Right Guard: Snee (2nd round, '04)
Right Tackle: Whimper (4th round, '06)

Backups: McKenzie (FA); Beatty (2nd rd, '09); Koets (6th round, '07); Boothe (FA -- originally 6th rounder for another team).

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 8:51 PM

When you say FA, you mean FA pick ups, not undrafted FA right? For example, the Jet's line is starting four 1st draft choices even though the Jets didn't draft them, isn't that correct?

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Dez Bryant can't get no love?

The guy is a complete monster.

Had he played this past season, folks would be yakking all day about him.

He's an Andre Johnson clone, and will make a nice fit in Miami, Carolina, Detriot (Bryant/Johnson, ouch!!!), or Baltimore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | February 9, 2010 9:03 PM

Good points. I have the same concerns.

I can't name one former NFL player that is a Strength and conditioning coach but if Shanny is willing to give him an interview then I’ll endorse the potential hire.

So..

Yes the guy cheated, yes the drugs made him a better player, and yes he is not exactly the most congenial person in the world. HOWEVER, we’re talking about a S & C coach. An in your face, azz kicker, that is no nonsense is and should be a requirement.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Who should they take?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:04 PM |

Who they take is up to Shanahan and what his plan for the future is. He may choose an OL with the 1st round pick. It would surprise me if he did but I would respect him knowing what he is doing and having a plan to succeed.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Good idea, then we could hire Art Schlicter to coach the QB's!

Posted by: Redskinrex | February 9, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 9:11 PM

WR is so dependent on the QB. Until that position is settled, i.e. Shanahan signs off on a QB he's building his program around, I can't see the Skins spending a high draft pick on a WR.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Campbell provides the highest ceiling, but would you want to draft a guy that high if he hasn't shown that he can be on the field consistently?

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:05 PM |

That is indeed his downside that has to be factored into any decision that is made.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Plus, have you ever heard Romo speak? He sounds like he's got sugar in his tank when he talks. It would be like having a bigger version of Jeff Garcia hollering in your ear to get the weight up. I'd probably start laughing in the middle of my set.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 9, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually what the Skins need is a guy who can divert AH from Popeyes.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:04 PM |

Ironic isn't it. Popeyes, which serves some of the unhealthiest food around, is named after a guy who made spinach, one of the healthiest foods you can eat, respectable.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"When you say FA, you mean FA pick ups, not undrafted FA right? For example, the Jet's line is starting four 1st draft choices even though the Jets didn't draft them, isn't that correct?Posted by: TWISI"

Yes. But the point is, the Jets didn't draft them. Other clubs did and the Jets signed them much later, as FAs. Which suggests that drafting o-linemen may not be as important in a team's success as some folks are making it sound.

My original point was to test the hypothesis that o-linemen should be drafted by a team in rounds 3-5 to become the core of the team in future years. Far as I can tell, there's no evidence for that.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell provides the highest ceiling, but would you want to draft a guy that high if he hasn't shown that he can be on the field consistently?

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:05 PM |

He's such a wildcard that he could go anywhere from the top 10 to being available to us in the 2nd round.

You and I discussed him months ago and I compared him to a Shawn Merriman (cheat) and Veron Davis (unconfirmed cheat) as far as physical freaks.

He will blow up the combine and be drafted by the Raiders @ #8.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The notable exception among top teams is the Ravens. Ozzie Newsome gets most of his linemen from the draft. I suspect that's because he has a lot of confidence in his ability to evaluate rookie talent at those positions. Not so much at other positions like WR or DB, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

WR is so dependent on the QB.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:17 PM |

It also is a position that many seasoned talent evaluators would not use a 1st rounder on. It is kind of hit or miss. There were four taken in the 1st round in 2009 and can't say any of them have come on like gangbusters, especially Heyward-Bey. But they could still blossum. Jack was taken in the 2nd in 2008 and he had a banner yr in 2009.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 9:25 PM

I see. I don't know if you have this handy, but how many of the teams drafted the LTs that are starting on the teams you have reviewed? Can you give me the rounds of the LTs as well (sorry wasn't up on the blog for the last couple of days).

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

He has no qualifications that haven't been tainted by Steroid Use.

He's just trying to SELL SHAKES!!!

Who wants a guy that BULLIES SEVENTH GRADERS?

He's a HUGE LIABILITY in a position that you can't afford to have HUGE LIABILITIES and a position that there is no good reason to hire someone that is such a HUGE LIABILITY.

also...

He's a HUGE SCUMBAG in a position that you can't afford to have HUGE SCUMBAGS and a position that there is no good reason to hire someone that is such a HUGE SCUMBAG.

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:28 PM

I remember that. I can definitely can see a Campbell/Raiders match.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the Redskinz please all their fanz?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the Redskinz please all their fanz?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 9:40 PM |

They did. They got rid of Z. Apparently you did not get the memo.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 9:25 PM

The 2010 offseason is an anomaly, because of the uncapped year, most of the FAs are going to be 28+. I posted all of the potential UFA’s available the other day.

It’s a list of average 28-35 year olds. Need to build via the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I've watched 3 games from the Denver 2008 season, and I've noticed a few things.

1. Denver played a hybrid defense that year.

2.Kory Lichtensteiger played fullback in goal line and short yardage situation.

3. Peyton Hillis is a good fit at RB for this scheme.

4.In the running game, the center has to be the most athletically gifted lineman, as he is the key to seals on the inside zone, and has to get to the LB on the second level on outside runs.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

He's a HUGE LIABILITY ...

He's a HUGE SCUMBAG ...

Posted by: filmchis | February 9, 2010 9:32 PM |

Hey, huge is what you get when you scarf PEDs.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

4.In the running game, the center has to be the most athletically gifted lineman, as he is the key to seals on the inside zone, and has to get to the LB on the second level on outside runs.

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2010 9:47 PM |

If you had Campbell the dude could pull and flatten LBs all day.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It’s a list of average 28-35 year olds. Need to build via the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:46 PM |

Which includes Dr. Peppers. They say he is due a big pay day but at 30 yrs old he is getting a bit long in the tooth, so to speak.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

romanowski is a racist luciferian demon, many blacks that play football maybe they are not that tough afterall because had I played on the same team or another and romanowski had come after me I would have kicked his azz or him mine many blacks(not all)are plantation negroes" If blacks had did or said to whites as romanowski did to blacks they would have been attacked and thrown out of the league. romanowski is also a drug addict and jealous because many blacks in the nfl are stronger a much faster than him that reptilian admitted that fact in an interview.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 9, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

From Romo's Nutrition53 site.

To those who truly knew him, the fierce scowl and bold headlines were the caricature of a man on a personal quest to find the ultimate tools for enhancing his performance. Despite his individual achievements, Bill always regarded his greatest feat as helping his teammates. He dedicated himself to giving them the tools to become better athletes, from the best nutritional supplements and access to top massage therapists, acupuncturists, and chiropractors to teaching rookies about mental toughness and more.

Just ask Shannon Sharpe, TD, Elway, & Rod Smith.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

many blacks(not all)are plantation negroes"

Posted by: wathu19 | February 9, 2010 9:57 PM |

Bad idea and bad choice of words.

Posted by: CovertOps | February 9, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

ROMANOWSKI is a serious freak. Did you listen to that interview he gave in MIAMI with JIM ROME? I'm sure he's sincere, but is the franchise's image enhanced by his becoming a part of it? I think not. Now Diesel44 on the other hand............

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 9, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 9, 2010 10:05 PM

Just when I thought you would miss a day you step up to keep the streak alive. Joey "glawrence" DiMaggio.

Were talkin bout a S & C coach, not a HC, DC, OC, or GM. A S & C coach...que Iverson.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

romanowski is a racist luciferian demon, many blacks that play football maybe they are not that tough afterall because had I played on the same team or another and romanowski had come after me I would have kicked his azz or him mine many blacks(not all)are plantation negroes" If blacks had did or said to whites as romanowski did to blacks they would have been attacked and thrown out of the league. romanowski is also a drug addict and jealous because many blacks in the nfl are stronger a much faster than him that reptilian admitted that fact in an interview.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 9, 2010 9:57 PM

I need Romo's Neuro1 shake after reading this. In fact anyone who read this is now dummer and you should put quit burning crosses and wearing your white sheet and go to bed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Were talkin bout a S & C coach, not a HC, DC, OC, or GM. A S & C coach...que Iverson.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha. There's a difference in your mind? All the talking heads will be able to discuss is the various points of having ROMANOWSKI on the payroll, water-boy or whatever. What a maroon.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 9, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

When talking about drafting o line and showing other team stats as to where these guys are picked up I'm not really surprised that many of them were taken in later rounds. The only position on oline that deserves first round consideration is LT. I'm not opposed to building an oline outside of the first round but with how horrible our oline is I believe we need to spend serious consideration on taking them early and often. Spiller is so appealing in the first but I just can't erase the image of Campbell and Portis getting crushed behind the line.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

They did. They got rid of Z. Apparently you did not get the memo.

Posted by: CovertOps


Ohhhhhh. Can you send it to me, so I can confirm it?

Did they get rid of Vinny C also?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Spiller is easily the most complete back and the most dynamic offensive talent in the draft.

He is the homerun hitter we haven't had and can score from anywhere on the field.

Spiller would really open things up for offense and special teams.

#4 is too high, but if we could work a trade with SF @13 or Seattle's @ 14 that should be the pick as long TB doesn't beat us to the punch and trade their 3rd overall pick.

Trade #4 for SF's 13 & #49 or Seattle's #14 & #40.

Make it happen glawarence..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Trade #4 for SF's 13 & #49 or Seattle's #14 & #40.

Make it happen glawarence..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 11:04 PM

We're counting on you glawrence. Maybe you can swing Portis for and our 4 plus a ham sandwich and get er done.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

...For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped. You expect Mike Shanahan to retool the offensive line, and both Brown and Capers are the athletic types Shanahan prefers.

Posted by: periculum.


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Interesting coming from you peri..

I can't be sure if Bradford (or any other QB in the draft) is a Franchise QB. If there is a Franchise QB in the draft, I hope we get him.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

...For a roster that really needs an infusion of talent and depth, you could question the quarterback pick so early, but Bradford represents a chance to get a franchise quarterback, and again, you're getting the player many had pegged as the No. 1 option for the Lions last year had he jumped.

Posted by: periculum.

Interesting coming from you peri..

I can't be sure if Bradford (or any other QB in the draft) is a Franchise QB. If there is a Franchise QB in the draft, I hope we get him.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:08 PM

Same thing was said about Leinart but he went back to school for the coeds and elective classes such as ballroom dancing.

How did that turn out for Leinart or the Cardinals.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess what concerns me most about the Romanowski thing is that Shanahan should know better. Its one thing to have a player that is a bit out of control -- most teams have some guys with maturity issues. But why hire a coach with a problem rep?

The biggest concern I have with Shanahan is his ego, that he is so self assured that he has no checks or balances.

Bruce Allen or Dan Snyder needs to put a stop to this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 9, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

You are right Shanahan should know better since he coached him for several years. I suspect he has a better grasp on what Romanowski could bring to the team if he decides to hire him. This also could just be a courtesy discussion with a valued former employee. He may have no intention of hiring him.

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 9, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I Can't Blame Lionhart for doing what he did, Diesel44.

He knew himself that he cared more about the Facebook culture than Football.

He's not a football player, he's a guy who can play football.

Drafting a QB with an early pick and missing could really hurt. Every team that misses on QB early suffers due to the team trying to make it work with such an investment. We missed on Campbell and giving up extra picks to get him really cost us.

I'm still saying trade down or draft O-line with the first pick. Are Clausen and Bradford supposed to be top ten picks? If they are then hopefully we can trade down with the team that wants them. If we take one of them with the 4th pick. I trust Shanahan hedging his future and reputation on a potential Franchise QB.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:33 PM

I agree with everything you said except this.."I trust Shanahan hedging his future and reputation on a potential Franchise QB."

Unless you are referring to next year.

This Year..

Bradford: noodle arm, bum shoulder, spread O, & has limited upside.

Clausen: noodle head, no pocket awareness, & will probably go #1 overall.

With only 5 picks we can't miss on the 4th overall pick. Trade down or take Okung or Berry.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Damn it sux Kansas City traded a 2nd rounder for Matt Cassel, otherwise I'd bet they woulda taken Clausen or Bradford.

B/C KC invested a 2nd rounder in Matt, NFL politics say they must at least try to make it work with Cassel, even if he's clearly not the answer.

KC would've really helped our trade position, if they wanted a QB. Even though I think they still need one. Not sold on Matt C.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I only trust Shanahan picking his QB b/c if he fails, he'll be fired, and he'll only have himself to blame.

If Shanahan does take a QB with that pick, let's hope we got a Franchise QB.

Berry is intriguing.

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Left tackle is definitely the sexy position among o-linemen on draft day. It's probably the only o-line position that consistently gets drafted in the Top Ten picks. Seems like increasingly that left tackle is manned by converted TEs who bulked up for the position shift. Jason Smith would be an example of that; Jake Long an exception.

Most of these high picks spend at least a year learning. If the Skins go with an LT at four, we'd be foolish to expect much in the way of initial returns. The payoff comes later in the form of an anchor player you can pencil into the starting lineup for seven or eight seasons. That's what Chris Samuels was.

But a lot of successful teams never have such an anchor. Teams succeed or fail based on how well they execute as a unit, not as individuals. Maybe that's why so many less talented players become integral parts of the o-line on contending teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 9, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

What is your QB assessment based on? I have found little in scouting reports to back it.

Bradford - Sights indicate good arm, yes he had injury and that will need to be assessed, yes he played in spread (so?), no upside based on what?

Clausen - Sights I read said things like elite football IQ, excellent at reading coverages, decisive with ball, will step up/out of pocket.

There are no guarantees in any draft. One, both or neither could end up as elite QBs or busts. But so could Okung or Berry. If Shanahan feels either QB is potentially great I hope he drafts him and gives it a shot. Otherwise I hope he drafts a great LT.

Posted by: lifelongfan | February 10, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,

We clearly need a LT. An athletic one. Chris Samuels was capable of handling premier rushers by himself.

If we draft the next 'Chris Samuels', I think we can expect initial returns. Especially with D. Ware, O. Uminyoura(spelling?), and Trent Cole in division.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I hope we retain Levi Jones.

In fact we need to.

He can definitely start at tackle and that would reduce a need on the O-line.

The only needs on our O-line that I see are T and C position. G/C Edwin Williams can play and he's athletic!

Casey effing Rabach needs to go. He couldn't push Fat Albert into a Popeyes.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Levi Jones gave of 6.5 sacks last year and he only played half a season. What makes you think he can definitely play left tackle. There's a reason why the lowly Bungles let him go. And Heyer sucks hopelessly.

We need two new OT's and probably a Guard. I HOPE Edwin Williams can play Center, but I don't know that yet. Yes, Rabach is depth only. His starting days are over. Hopefully he can show Williams the ropes at veteran minimum. And then there's the whole "depth" thing...

I hope we say goodbye to Levi Jones, Mike Williams, Heyer R Thomas and Samuels.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

If we keep Levi, then we only need one new tackle, edvar.

No team is perfect and serviceable players will always fill out a roster. With fewer draft picks and FA options, Levi would alleviate a need.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

In my draft, as things stand now:

AT #4 we take Okung.

In the second round we take (RT) Kyle Calloway or Bruce Campbell (I'm assuming Bulaga, Trent Williams, and Anthony Davis are gone by then...)

Fourth round I take Myron Lewis FS/CB 6-2 205 Vandy

Fifth round I like ILB Josh Hull 6-3 236 Penn State

There's an intersting prospect out in New Mexico named Erik Cook 6-6 315 C/G. I think he would make an interesting last day selection.


Can't fix it all with this draft in one year, but I think this gets us on the right path. I'm sure there are some other scenarios that look good too.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

If Levi was any good, sure. But why keep a guy who can't protect the QB. 6.5 sacks is a lot. Might as well keep Heyer too. He only had 6.0 sacks and played all season, sort of.

I say cut the dead wood. I'd rather see what FA brings.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

In the past 5 years, the St. Louis Rams have spent 4 first round picks on the trenches. 2 OL and 2 DL.

They will consistently suck until they find a Franchise QB. They need one really bad and I hope they take either Clausen or Bradford.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Fair enough edvar.

If Shanahan doesn't like Levi, he'll be gone and I wouldn't care any less. I just thought he could be a stop gap in a roster that has many needs.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

The juniors available in this draft may make a difference in how the Skins draft. It may be that "the talk" Shannahan had with Campbell might have been about how it might be best for all concerned if he went to another team ... what with a lot of the fan base and especially the owner not exactly his best fans ... have to assume that both Portoise and Cooley go with Campbell.
If that happens,then as Mel Kiper and other seem to predict then they will likely go for a quarterback and attempt to reacquire a 3rd rounder through some canny trading using some of the above players. They will rebuild through the draft ... and again attempt to do what both Norv Turner and Joe Gibbs attempted to do.
Sorry MistaMoe, no Spiller unless he were available in a a later round and given their offensive line woes they will be drafting multiples of those dudes.
Shananhan and Allen will have to sell Snyder on a carefully crafted multiyear rebuilding plan as Gibbs apparently did. If they tear the entire offense down starting at QB they will definitely require more than 1 year to put it together again ... while on defense cornerback and safety may go from serious problems to serious holes, just like the OL.
And if its a choice between Spiller and say a Berry you have to select a Berry given the surprisinig wide receiving talent they have been facing on defense, even in the Beast.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the Rams have a lot of problems.

In my plan, we go QB shopping next year based on what we see this season. Will we be looking for a new franchise guy, or a prospect to develop over a few years? Gonna be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I'm hitting the hay...

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, if CP, JC and Cooley depart, then my draft board is out the window...

Night all.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Funny how rumors can send peeps running to jump off a ledge. Maybe this will help those on the ledge to step away...


Romanowski not interested in coaching position
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
02/09/10 10:35 PM EST

Former linebacker Bill Romanowski did indeed talk with his former bosses, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen, Tuesday. But he said it was not about joining the coaching staff. However, he did come to Ashburn to offer help of a different sort.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Romanowski-not-interested-in-coaching-position-83983467.html#ixzz0f6vzEVBg

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 10, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Curz-

Good stuff...

I was trying to figure out why he would give up Nutrition53 for what a 150k-250k job.

Although it is weird that Shanny and Allen would waste their time to hear about some protein shakes.

I'm thinking Shanny decided to go in a different direction, and Romo is saving face.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

NO TO THE ORIGINAL ROMO! And the moron one in Dallas too, but I BR has no business here, period.

Anyone else hear that LaVar rant yet? Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

peri

"The juniors available in this draft may make a difference in how the Skins draft."

Agreed. That's why I'm beefing about Vinny using that 3rd rounder to get Jarmon when he or another d-end type could've been had this Spring.

"If ...they will likely go for a quarterback and attempt to reacquire a 3rd rounder through some canny trading using some of the above players."

I think this is the best move. If I'm Shanny and Bruce, I want my own guys, not St Joe's/Zorn's/Vinny's leftovers.

"....no Spiller unless he were available in a a later round and given their offensive line woes they will be drafting multiples of those dudes."

I'm not advocating drafting Spiller as I really like Ben Tate paired with Portis/Ganther.

"Shananhan and Allen will have to sell Snyder on a carefully crafted multiyear rebuilding plan as Gibbs apparently did."

Finally, I agree here as well as the team needs to shed itself of the early 2000 players that comprise its roster to get younger, faster, and more versitile.

This team needs a plan that strarts with rebuilding the o-line, and ends with grooming a young starting quarterback.

A 3-13 season might suck to sit through, but hey, having just sat through 4-12, how's it gonna hurt?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Consider me naive but I sure hope that they don't really consider Roman. I don't think he would be a good example on how to succeed without cheating. He was fortunate and survived with his drug abuse, but I am sure that Lyle Alzado would remind him of the potential consequences from the other side of darkness that led to his early death.

Posted by: Sarducci | February 10, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

"I'm still saying trade down or draft O-line with the first pick"

I'm with you Vicc. Don't forget to ditch excess payroll however. PORTIS for a third. ARE out of here. HAYNESWORTH to S.F. for their first and sixth.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

PORTIS for a third. ARE out of here. HAYNESWORTH to S.F. for their first and sixth.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 8:05 AM


Right now PFT is talking about the possibility of Boldin getting traded to Miami for a 3rd. So if a Pro-Bowl WR is going for a 3rd, why would you think a broken down, old Portis is gonna yield a 3rd round pick?

CUT Portis. Dude has no trade value. I would love to see Haynesworth dealt, but nobody's gonna compensate the team enough to make it worth our while.

Dump salary. That's the only move that matters right now. Chasing pie in the sky trades is a complete waste of time, especially when this staff needs a home run in this year's draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Romo strength coach? It's like asking a horny rooster to watch the hens in the chicken coop. Bruce don't even interview this guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

brown, stop using logic when it comes to responding to gl....start jumping on board, and demanding more in return for portis....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

One problem with spending higher round picks on o-linemen is that it often takes a couple seasons or more for them to develop and then you lose them to free agency. Derrick Dockery is an example. The Ravens developed Jason Brown into a Pro Bowl caliber center and he took off for St Louis. Newsome wound up spending a boatload of cash on aging veteran Matt Birk to replace him. Your investment in a lower-round pick or an undrafted FA is of course much lower. And there's the temptation to do your own thieving of mature offensive linemen from other teams via FA offers of your own.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

My bad, Greg...Portis should yield 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks along with Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning from Indy and Haynesworth should go to San Fran for about 15 1st rounders and Patrick Willis.

How am I doing?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

nicely done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Romo strength coach? It's like asking a horny rooster to watch the hens in the chicken coop. Bruce don't even interview this guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 8:33 AM

I respectfully disagree. What have you got against horny roosters in the hen house? Admittedly, I am not an expert in animal husbandry, but as a casual observer I think that a horny rooster is exactly the man for the hen house gig. That is, assuming you're trying to produce eggs back there.

This whole debacle shows what a sad state the WaPo's Skins coverage is in. The Examiner link above reported last night that Romo was never interviewed for ANY job on the staff. This was based on talking to, who else?, Romo. But the Post is still running with "league sources."

The Redskins have gone with professionals to run their organization. Time for the Post to get some professional reporters. Reassign Jason Reid, bring in David Elfin -- the man with the chops to get Grimm and Monk into the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 10, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"One problem with spending higher round picks on o-linemen is that it often takes a couple seasons or more for them to develop and then you lose them to free agency. Derrick Dockery is an example."


This is an issue with just about every player in the league, isn't it?

That's why I think the Player's Association should agree to a rookie wage scale provided the owners create a system where veteran money is prorated to where only a percentage of it counts against the cap.

It seems to me that what's better than "tagging" one player at the end of his contract, is paying multiple guys, but having only, say, 40% of their salary affect the cap.

That way, teams can keep more of the guys it develops, pay them, and end the "Don't franchise tag me, bro'!" fight.

Had this been inplace, he likes of Dockery, et al could've remained, and not been enticed by money from another team to leave DC.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

NO has a collection of young linemen they've drafted in the 2md-4th rounds over the past few seasons. They've been fortunate that most have panned out and a couple look like legit future stars. I wouldn't be surprised to see other teams swoop in with favorable offers the way the Rams did with Jason Brown.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:42 AM

I think the issue with the Skins is that they need a LT. You just don't usually find those on the cheap. In addition, most teams don't let a quality LT walk, unless there is another on roster to take his spot.

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Anyone else hear that LaVar rant yet? Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 5:53 AM

I heard it, I'm glad hegot it off his chest. Now if LaVar has a rant like that for Snyder, then maybe he can stop living in the past and move on. To me, while CP is a little more outlandish, LaVar and CP have very similar personalities.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Portis should yield 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks along with Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning from Indy

Well, now that Peyton has proven he's not 'clutch', I think we can get him for a 2nd and a 6th.

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Romo strength coach? It's like asking a horny rooster to watch the hens in the chicken coop. Bruce don't even interview this guy.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 8:33 AM

I respectfully disagree. What have you got against horny roosters in the hen house? Admittedly, I am not an expert in animal husbandry, but as a casual observer I think that a horny rooster is exactly the man for the hen house gig. That is, assuming you're trying to produce eggs back there.

This whole debacle shows what a sad state the WaPo's Skins coverage is in. The Examiner link above reported last night that Romo was never interviewed for ANY job on the staff. This was based on talking to, who else?, Romo. But the Post is still running with "league sources."

The Redskins have gone with professionals to run their organization. Time for the Post to get some professional reporters. Reassign Jason Reid, bring in David Elfin -- the man with the chops to get Grimm and Monk into the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 10, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Ok Agree2, I agree with you about J Reid. If you don't like the horny rooster analogy, here's one: Romo strenght coach? That's like sending a pedophile to Girl Scout summer camp.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Right now PFT is talking about the possibility of Boldin getting traded to Miami for a 3rd. So if a Pro-Bowl WR is going for a 3rd, why would you think a broken down, old Portis is gonna yield a 3rd round pick?

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Boldin is going to be a 30 year old WR, with declining speed(he was never very fast), and a long list of injury problems.Can he be counted on as a #1 WR?When was the last time he played an entire season? If the Cardinals can get a 3rd for him, then that's a good get.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

To me, while CP is a little more outlandish, LaVar and CP have very similar personalities.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 9:26 AM


No doubt. Those guys both need to shut up, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

brownwood:

You disagree with my dump salary take? Just give PORTIS and ARE away without trying to get something in return?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok Agree2, I agree with you about J Reid. If you don't like the horny rooster analogy, here's one: Romo strenght coach? That's like sending a pedophile to Girl Scout summer camp.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 9:41 AM


Just as bad as the other analogy, IMO. I don't get how sodomy and the like ties in with steroid use, but whatever gets you thru the snow storm, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

One problem with spending higher round picks on o-linemen is that it often takes a couple seasons or more for them to develop and then you lose them to free agency. Derrick Dockery is an example. The Ravens developed Jason Brown into a Pro Bowl caliber center and he took off for St Louis. Newsome wound up spending a boatload of cash on aging veteran Matt Birk to replace him. Your investment in a lower-round pick or an undrafted FA is of course much lower. And there's the temptation to do your own thieving of mature offensive linemen from other teams via FA offers of your own.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:42 AM |
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Passing up on an opportunity to get a blue chip left tackle is something no team should do. When Miami turned it around a season ago, they did it because the Tuna drafted a left tackle first the year prior and focused on rebuilding the line. Parcells got his left tackle in the draft, his left guard in free agency, and then drafted a quarterback in the second round who they used as a backup for a season. I think this would be a great model for the Redskins to use this year. Get Okung first, then draft Pike in the second round. For the rest of the draft they can focus on o-line and other positions taking more of a best-player-available-that-fills-a-need approach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:42 AMI think the issue with the Skins is that they need a LT. You just don't usually find those on the cheap. In addition, most teams don't let a quality LT walk, unless there is another on roster to take his spot."

I didn't say the above. Rookie LTs go early on draft day, often above their actual station, because the position is so important. But some very successful lines feature lower-round players at that position. Dave Diehl, a 5th rounder, starts for the Giants. The Cowboys drafted Flo Adams in the 2nd round, but that was way back in 1998, and his current backup is a 7th rounder. Philadelphia relies on undrafted Jason Peters, signed away from Buffalo as a FA, and backed up by yet another 7th rounder.

To me, there's evidence that successful offensive lines are not necessarily built through expenditure of high draft picks, even at key positions like LT.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Ok Agree2, I agree with you about J Reid. If you don't like the horny rooster analogy, here's one: Romo strenght coach? That's like sending a pedophile to Girl Scout summer camp.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 10, 2010 9:41 AM

Just as bad as the other analogy, IMO. I don't get how sodomy and the like ties in with steroid use, but whatever gets you thru the snow storm, I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 9:57 AM
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Don't like those analogies? How about these:

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like leaving Winona Ryder in a department store with the security cameras turned off...

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like hiring Tiger Woods to be the RA in a sorority house.

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like leaving Greg Williams alone with your jelly donuts

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like telling a democrat to trim the budget

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like asking Clinton Portis for his opinion on dog fighting

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Trade down, dump salary, get picks. Formula for success.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Donte Stallworth is working out for an NFL team and expects to be signed soon. Are the Redskins in the mix? Sign Stallworth, cut ARE - anyone crazy about that idea besides me?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The strength and conditioning coach decision is more important than the OL, DL coach... There is no OL/DL coach that can effectively teach how to beat power, speed & endurance... This is was a glaring weakness in the Redskin organization for the last few years...

Posted by: tmcmullins | February 10, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Just give PORTIS and ARE away without trying to get something in return?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 9:55 AM


No, you cut them because you CAN'T get anything in return.

Switch it around to someone you don't see every week: what would give the Chargers for LT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse



Donte Stallworth is working out for an NFL team and expects to be signed soon. Are the Redskins in the mix? Sign Stallworth, cut ARE - anyone crazy about that idea besides me?
Posted by: RedSkinHead

Everyone is all upset about a guy that took a few roids, but you'd take a killer at receiver?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse



Donte Stallworth is working out for an NFL team and expects to be signed soon. Are the Redskins in the mix? Sign Stallworth, cut ARE - anyone crazy about that idea besides me?
Posted by: RedSkinHead

Everyone is all upset about a guy that took a few roids, but you'd take a killer at receiver?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

No, you cut them because you CAN'T get anything in return.

Switch it around to someone you don't see every week: what would give the Chargers for LT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Never say never. As long as AL DAVIS is alive, there is hope.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins in the mix? Sign Stallworth, cut ARE - anyone crazy about that idea besides me?

um...no..no, and lets see, no..I'd rather roll with ARE than sign stallworth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Right now PFT is talking about the possibility of Boldin getting traded to Miami for a 3rd."


I can't see Parcells letting this happen, even with Boldin being a local guy.

If I'm Parcells, I'd pair Devon Bess (the guy who coaught Colt's passes in Hawaii) with Jordan Shipley in the slot or take Dez Bryant to play across him.

An offense featuring R Brown/R Williams, D Bess, D Bryant/Shipley, T Ginn, with C Henne playing q-back is quite nice.

Unless in DC, the fins have built a nice, young o-line, and now can add the pieces on the edges to complement their improving q-back in C Henne.

The question in the AFC East is, is there another team the Pats should fear outside the jets?

Yes: the dolphins are building quite nicely from what I can see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

One problem with spending higher round picks on o-linemen is that it often takes a couple seasons or more for them to develop and then you lose them to free agency.

To me, there's evidence that successful offensive lines are not necessarily built through expenditure of high draft picks, even at key positions like LT.

Posted by: Samson151

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True, but closer to home, Samuels was the #3 pick and was an opening day starter, multi-pro bowl selection and a fixture at LT for almost a decade.

Jansen was a low 2nd round pick and was a rookie starter and dominant RT for almost a decade as well until injuries wrecked him.

We have identical scenarios here with the #4 overall pick and a low second rounder. If management decides to move Campbell and/or Cooley, then more high round picks follow.

I do advocate that we try to acquire at least one reasonably priced veteran OT for depth. I earlier expressed that we should clear out Heyer and Levi Jones. I thought they proved to be pretty worthless with 6 or more sacks allowed each between them. I'd rather take my chances on FA in the off seasason...

Could be exciting.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Passing up on an opportunity to get a blue chip left tackle is something no team should do." posted by redskinhead

I think many teams would agree with that. However, there are a number of successful teams with potent o-lines that were built without a high draft pick at LT. Usually through a combination of lower picks, veteran FAs, and undrafted players.

Miami did improve their o-line when Parcells came aboard, but their success during the season was the result of a number of factors, not least of which was a new QB and an innovative offensive scheme. You notice they came back to the rest of the league in the following season.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"I'd rather roll with ARE than sign stallworth..."

Well, we know that.

But the question was, who'd you want to drive you around the block, ARE or Stallworth?

You don't have to answer right away.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I would take Stallworth over ARE. Easy. ARE sucks.

Of curse, you don't need to get Stallworth, just dump ARE and move MM up the food chain.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 10, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Just a brief interruption from the regularly scheduled brouhaha -

Hope all in the DMV are safe and staying warm today...sounds evil up there.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 10, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Hope all in the DMV are safe and staying warm today...sounds evil up there.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 10, 2010 10:38 AM

I respectfully disagree. No evil here in DC. Congress is not in session and the government is closed.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 10, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Please...no steroid-induced ragers.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 10, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Never say never. As long as AL DAVIS is alive, there is hope.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 10:24 AM


Al Davis has an obsession with speed. You know, the one thing Portis DOESN'T have anymore.

I could count on Al to trade for Landry because he's fast, anything else is a stretch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Passing up on an opportunity to get a blue chip left tackle is something no team should do."

The team did this last year, and folks now shout, "Orakpo, luv'em!" before hollering, "We need a tackle this time, though!"

I have a sense, we won't get a tackle, and we'll all be hollering about something else.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

jd, what about us up here in boston, we're getting snow too....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Well, heck Greg - my apologies - try to stay safe all up the Eastern Seaboard today.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 10, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

-Having Romo as your strength and conditioning coach is like telling a politician to trim the budget

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 10:12 AM

fify

Posted by: skinswest | February 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

um...no..no, and lets see, no..I'd rather roll with ARE than sign stallworth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 10:26 AM


I'd rather roll with JOHN Stallworth than DANTE!

Pass on players that kill people with their cars while ripped to the tits drunk. I'd bring James Thrash back before I bring that clown here.

And why are we still talking WRs? Even without ARE, we've got Moss, Thomas, Kelly and Marko Mitchell. Sounds like a decent top 4 to me (all things considered). The 5th guy (whomever that is) won't play much anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

jd, thanks....I'll say this, every time it snows, I'm always surprised at the general reaction by people who live in the area, there is always this initial reaction of PANIC....buy all the bread/milk you can, and all the shovels/rock salt you can....

don't we do this every winter?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Here's something that I haven't heard up here: what about Chris Simms to Washington? He and Kyle Shanahan are such close friends that they have their initials tatooed on each other's ankles. If they're gay enough to do that, I'm sure KShanny will give his buddy a job. Thoughts?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 10:30 AM

I want to pursue your line of thought a little more. I looked at NFL stat for the OL. The top teams and where the LT was drafted, and by what team.

Bal -3rd
NYJ -1st
N.O. - 1st
San Diego -2nd
Az -3rd (drafted by Chi)
Cinn - 2nd
NE - 2nd
Minn -1st
Indy -6th
Phil-UFA (claimed by Buf)
GB- 2nd
Dal-2nd

It seems to me that the majority of these teams used hig draft picks(most of these guys were in the top 50 picks), and groomed these players for a long time. The best way to get you LT is by investing well in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

We just got plowed out yesterday and now we have another foot of snow this is some BS.

The Fed. Gov. has been closed all week and will probably be closed tomorrow, I can't stay in this house much longer.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What neighborhood are you in Flounder?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

all work and no play, makes flound a dull boy, all work and no play, makes flound a dull boy..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Romo as your strength coach is like a Treasury Secretary who forgot to pay his taxes...wait, what?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A 3.8 magnitude earthquake rattled Chicago-area homes early Wednesday, and woke up residents from Indiana to Wisconisn, at around The quake struck at 3:59 a.m., according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

USGS spokesperson geologist Brian Bumwarmer stated "As everyone know this is another clear sign of the impact of global warming in the United States.".

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Romo as your strength coach is like a Treasury Secretary who forgot to pay his taxes...wait, what?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2010 11:17 AM

Romo as your strength coach is like having Jason Reid as your Redskins beat reporter.

Reassign Jason Reid, hire Elfin. Let's get an Insider whose sources are "team sources," not "league sources."

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

USGS spokesperson geologist Brian Bumwarmer stated "As everyone know this is another clear sign of the impact of global warming in the United States.".

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse


As is Bill Romanowski as a Strength Coach

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What neighborhood are you in Flounder?


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 10, 2010 11:16 AM |

I'm in Germantown at the corner of Father Hurley and Middlebrook.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Here's something that I haven't heard up here: what about Chris Simms to Washington? He and Kyle Shanahan are such close friends that they have their initials tatooed on each other's ankles. If they're gay enough to do that, I'm sure KShanny will give his buddy a job. Thoughts?

Posted by: brownwood26

Absolutely not. My lasting image of Simms is his atrocious performance against the Skins when Kyle Orton was knocked out of the game.

Posted by: dcwun | February 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Loved Anthony's Fried Chicken in Damascus (not too far from Germantown) back in the day. Great seasoned fries too.

Heard it burned down a while back.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I can only hope the Romanowski thing was a setup, to make us consider the possibility of our beloved team hiring of one of the most objectionable people in the recent history of the league, and then to make us happy about whoever the eventual hire is simply because it's not Romanowski. Not a bad strategy. We shall see.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

nate, the romo thing, was much ado over nothing, Shanny just doing a solid for one of his former players....nothing to see here...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'll grant you it's been much ado over very little, but hell, it's the offseason, our job now is to take these tiny little scraps of something like information and turn them into blog comments... kind of like a compost pile. Or something.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Al Davis has an obsession with speed. You know, the one thing Portis DOESN'T have anymore.

I could count on Al to trade for Landry because he's fast, anything else is a stretch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Well opinions are like..........everybody got one, right Dieselzzzzz. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

kind of like a compost pile. Or something.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 10, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It's a pile all right.............just sayin'.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Repost...He was just trying to sell some protein shakes..

Funny how rumors can send peeps running to jump off a ledge. Maybe this will help those on the ledge to step away...

Romanowski not interested in coaching position
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
02/09/10 10:35 PM EST

Former linebacker Bill Romanowski did indeed talk with his former bosses, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen, Tuesday. But he said it was not about joining the coaching staff. However, he did come to Ashburn to offer help of a different sort.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Romanowski-not-interested-in-coaching-position-83983467.html#ixzz0f6vzEVBg


Posted by: Curzon417 | February 10, 2010 1:15 AM

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What's good?? Not even a SnowStorm/EarthQauke/Warm WEather in the winter Olympics can stop me from Bloggin!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I want to pursue your line of thought a little more. I looked at NFL stat for the OL. The top teams and where the LT was drafted, and by what team.

Bal -3rd
NYJ -1st
N.O. - 1st
San Diego -2nd
Az -3rd (drafted by Chi)
Cinn - 2nd
NE - 2nd
Minn -1st
Indy -6th
Phil-UFA (claimed by Buf)
GB- 2nd
Dal-2nd

It seems to me that the majority of these teams used hig draft picks(most of these guys were in the top 50 picks), and groomed these players for a long time. The best way to get you LT is by investing well in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM |

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Good job TWISI. Throw out the two exceptions (6th and UFA) and the average is between late first and early second round (1.9).

Of course, Levi Jones was the 10th selection in the 2002 first round, so like everything else, this system is not perfect...

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 11:56 AM

Opinions are like truck nuts?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"...it's the offseason, our job now is to take these tiny little scraps of something like information and turn them into blog comments... kind of like a compost pile."


To me, the act of turning the most insignificant tissue of information into a complete skidrow of news is what journalism is all about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm about to say this but!!!! Romo might be just what we need to kick Portis' aZZZ once per week and get him to shut his trap!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | February 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My take is they take a waiver on Bradford because of the injury problems. With a historically mercurial owner like Snyder you probably can't afford the risk. He is certainly not a patient type as was John Kent Cooke. They go with Okung and stick with Campbell ... for now ... Campbell is a superb athlete and capable of lasting 16 game seasons ... and he still has a significant upside. At this junction its time for Colt to move up to #2. Then in a later round they find a junior "sleeper" QB for the #3 slot. Hopefully, by trading Cooley, releasing Portoise, (you aren't going to get anything for him), perhaps trading Moss? Possibly trading Landry (Hall is probably untradeable), and 'Los. Haynesworth if he doesn't like the new defensive setup? Collecting more picks either this year or next you set yourself up to rebuild as quickly as possible.
Clearly, and obviously, they would be far better off with a salary cap free 2010. They need to get rid of deadwood starting with Portoise.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Pretty kewl winter cyclones circling down from the pole past Alaska and then into the west coast ... sucking in the warm moist from south of the Baja in the Pacific and then heading east ...

Another round is on its way ... be prepared.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Philip Daniels should be the strength coach. http://www.monstergaragegym.com/

Posted by: sstackss | February 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If Romanowski were hired, how long would it be before he got into a fistfight with a player? My money says 2 weeks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the majority of these teams used hig draft picks(most of these guys were in the top 50 picks), and groomed these players for a long time. The best way to get you LT is by investing well in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 11:09 AM |

Agreed. We need more picks however, and we need to move salary.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Stallworth did his time and has been reinstated by the league. He worked out for the Lions and they will probably sign him. I brought him up because:

-ARE will probably get canned.
-That will leave the Redskins with one veteran and several inexperienced/marginally proven receivers
-The team will need to add a veteran receiver and Shanahan will want to get bigger there. Stallworth is only 6' and 200 lbs, but he is a more physical receiver than ARE

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

If Romanowski were hired, how long would it be before he got into a fistfight with a player? My money says 2 weeks.

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2 days to slap Portis!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | February 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Daniels:

"My workouts are going great. Trying some new supplements and they got me feeling really good. More muscle, being stronger and less bodyfat is the goal. Plus two years post ACL/LCL will be good also. I'm ready for some football or at least getting ready. Maybe I should put my name in the pot for player/strength coach." Hmmmm.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If Romanowski bi!ch-slapped Portoise he might go running to his pal Danny.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Its not just ARE, look how many TD's Davis caught versus Cooley's lame attempts when healthy? Moss is not the same receiver. Its time to move all of these guys ... and draft replacements ... if you are going to rebuild ... then do it right.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

peri

"Collecting more picks either this year or next you set yourself up to rebuild as quickly as possible."


The question is, how?

The labor uncertainty foils a lot of schemes as giving up the 2011 1st rounder for a 2nd rounder and 6th this year, plus trading J Campbell would be an outstanding move.

Every one in every blog and front office says, "Trade down!" without getting the idea that if everyone has the same idea, then with whom do you execute yours?

I sense that the new Wizards of Redskins Park have some trick up their sleeve that will mean moving some unknown player for a ham sammich and some mid round picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Ok far as taking a Tackle in the draft you take one that can be productive at both Tackle positions (Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Michael Oher) that way you won't Robert Gallery the kid (meaning waste a high draft pick thinking he's an elite LT and it turns out he can't even play RT so you shuffle him around and what you end up with is the highest drafted G in NFL history #2 overall pick I think)but anyway if you do this you'd put the rookie at the RT position and you find a stop gap LT via free agency or in our case resign Levi Jones which I hope we do anyway, that would give the rookie a chance to get use to the speed of the NFL game and in a season or two you move him to the LT position and hopefully you drafted a RT project(Phil Loadholt,William Beatty,Willie Colon) in the later rounds of the draft because they are a little easier to find, and with this scenario you have your bookend Tackles for the next 5-10 seasons. With that being said Bruce Campbell,Trent Williams,Anthony Davis or even the OL from Iowa Bryan Buluga hope I spelled it right but any of those guys fits that mold for me.

Lets just hope thats one the many offseason plans for the new Redskins brain trust this year. I'd like to see us trade back with maybe Seattle or San Fran or even the Pats(doubt if they would trade up but they have a slew of 2nd and 3rd picks) the safety Eric Berry is my favorite player in the draft but he'd be long gone by pick 13 or 14 so if we were to trade with either of those teams look out for Brain Orakpo's former teammate no not Sergio Kindle eventhough I'd love to have him but I'm talking about Free Safety Earl Thomas. He has excellent ball skills and plays the run with sound tackling technique(note to LL30) and can also bring the wood when WR's come across the middle, they guy can play man to man, zone coverage and match with the elite TE's in the NFL and can also cover the best slot receivers. I for one can't wait until the off season really begins!!!

Posted by: robbkels | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Trade your only proven Wr, trade your most consistent passing weapon for the last 4 years, and just cut a guy who is guaranteed almost 10 million bucks before even getting him to camp and seeing what he's got left under the watchful eye of a real football coach. Perhaps he will be cut, but you got to see what he does in the offseason first since you have to pay him anyway. Forgive me if I disagree with your plan.

Cooley and Davis together in an offense that historically utilizes the tight end (both shanny's did this Owen Daniels, Shannon Sharpe) is important for us especially when you have a receiving corps of mostly question marks behind Moss. Being able to split Cooley or Davis out a la Dallas Clark gives us a huge amount of flexibility as well as being able to keep the defense off guard in 2 TE sets not knowing who is staying in to protect or who is going in a pattern. That will help the young oline we'll most likely have.

IMO the only people that are trade bait on our roster are Haynesworth and Carter. Neither is an ideal fit for the 3-4 switch we are supposedly making and both could be attractive to 4-3 teams. Regardless though, I highly doubt we'll be able to trade away our players for draft picks, even those guys Carter is old and undersized coming of a year that looks like an aberration compared to his career numbers and Albert has a huge contract some team would have to eat to get him.

IMO we're going to add a back through FA, Reggie Bush would be very attractive if he becomes available as he would be your primary returner and add a home run threat to the backfield a perfect opposite to Portis. We're going to sign at least two tackles. We're probably going to sign a guard and I think we'll look hard at any nose tackle available as well as several linebackers and a FS. IMO once again we'll be the most active team this offseason but it will be with quality decision makers in charge, it won't be ridiculous contracts, and the players will fit our new schemes. (something that hasn't been the case the last few years) In the draft, we're drafting Oline and a QB, its just a question of when. IMO it wouldn't surprise me to see either the QB at 4 or the Tackle just depending on who Shanny likes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Trade your only proven Wr, trade your most consistent passing weapon for the last 4 years, and just cut a guy who is guaranteed almost 10 million bucks before even getting him to camp and seeing what he's got left under the watchful eye of a real football coach. Perhaps he will be cut, but you got to see what he does in the offseason first since you have to pay him anyway. Forgive me if I disagree with your plan.

Cooley and Davis together in an offense that historically utilizes the tight end (both shanny's did this Owen Daniels, Shannon Sharpe) is important for us especially when you have a receiving corps of mostly question marks behind Moss. Being able to split Cooley or Davis out a la Dallas Clark gives us a huge amount of flexibility as well as being able to keep the defense off guard in 2 TE sets not knowing who is staying in to protect or who is going in a pattern. That will help the young oline we'll most likely have.

IMO the only people that are trade bait on our roster are Haynesworth and Carter. Neither is an ideal fit for the 3-4 switch we are supposedly making and both could be attractive to 4-3 teams. Regardless though, I highly doubt we'll be able to trade away our players for draft picks, even those guys Carter is old and undersized coming of a year that looks like an aberration compared to his career numbers and Albert has a huge contract some team would have to eat to get him.

IMO we're going to add a back through FA, Reggie Bush would be very attractive if he becomes available as he would be your primary returner and add a home run threat to the backfield a perfect opposite to Portis. We're going to sign at least two tackles. We're probably going to sign a guard and I think we'll look hard at any nose tackle available as well as several linebackers and a FS. IMO once again we'll be the most active team this offseason but it will be with quality decision makers in charge, it won't be ridiculous contracts, and the players will fit our new schemes. (something that hasn't been the case the last few years) In the draft, we're drafting Oline and a QB, its just a question of when. IMO it wouldn't surprise me to see either the QB at 4 or the Tackle just depending on who Shanny likes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Philip Daniels should be the strength coach. http://www.monstergaragegym.com/

Posted by: sstackss | February 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think that would be a great choice. And no thanks to Stallworth, even when he's on the field, he's not very effective. Classic underachiever..
And its still funny to me how folks keep pushing the "trade Cooley" theme. For the 245th time, Shanny loves the fact that he has 2 great TE's to work with.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: robbkels | February 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Punctuation can be your friend.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is not a tight end. By his own admission! He is now talking about losing 25 pounds to be a "slot receiver"? Leaving Davis to the do the blocking. In his defense he was drafted to play the H-back in Gibbs scheme. He is not a tight end.
Look at players like Moss, ARE, Cartwright, Sellers .. they are aging rapidly ... it happened to Samuels and Jansen. Their time has come and gone ... as has Portoise's. If rebuilding is the order of the day you get rid of these guys for whatever draft picks you can acquire. You go out and find guys, UNDER 30, with upside who are free agents. You draft guys you think can be groomed for the positions of need. You work the two together. A tough, tough season lies ahead ... and then the following year you garner the results. Now, in the case of Campbell HE IS UNDER 30 and HE DEFINITELY still has an upside. So he can be placed at QB here or traded for something reasonable. His current contract makes that very easy to do. In the case of these other guys its less so ... they desperately need a youth movement after ownership made the mistake of signing aging and less than effective guys to long-term lucrative contracts (Portoise). Now, in the case of Haynesworth, even with his contract he could still make excellent trade bait.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"....If rebuilding is the order of the day you get rid of these guys for whatever draft picks you can acquire. You go out and find guys, UNDER 30,..."

(INSERT shouts of "Hear, hear," and applause.)

There is no sacred cow on a roster that's just gone 4-12 after collapsing the season before.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

NOBODY is going to trade for Portis. If they trade, they have to take on his contract and he isn't worth that kind of money. If he gets shopped, then everyone knows he's going to be cut, so wait for that to happen and think about grabbing him for much less $.

Guys like Portis and ARE - you just have to say goodbye to and forget about recouping anything by means of a trade. Just cut 'em and move on.

Randy Thomas and Samuels should retire. Heyer should be cut. He's WAS a good story, now he's just hopeless.

Did the Skins ever announce the terms of Levi Jones contract? If the money is sane, I guess you think about keeping him until the guy you draft in the second round is ready to start some time in October.

The OT we draft at #4 - Russel Okung, should be an opening day starter.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"For the 245th time, Shanny loves the fact that he has 2 great TE's to work with."

Maybe he trades Cooley for picks and finds a traditional blocking tight end to pair with Davis.

There are other guys out there, ya know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Well whatever Cooley is, he's the most effective possession receiver this team has and can move the chains. Unless you can get a 1st or 2nd for him (seriously doubt it), you're not gaining any value since he himself was a 3rd rounder. How do you know Moss is slowing down? He's a deep threat, and the fact that JC didn't have time to go down the field to him or just missed Moss on the rare occasions he did have time, doesn't mean Moss is the problem. He runs great routes, and defenses still focus on him. And I disagree with trading Haynesworth, regardless of what his contract is. You can still build you defense around him for the next 4 yrs.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

There are other guys out there, ya know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Like who? And if Davis goes down, there's no more threat at TE. Why mess with a strength on a team that has so few of them? You can rebuild (quickly) and still have a decent squad while you're getting younger. The Falcons and Dolphins have shown us that.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Teams typically want one of two things in a trade. To get an upgrade in a position of need who makes an immediate impact or to get a guy with potential.

When trading a player away, the primary rule is that you don't create a big void with the trade.

Now, who on the Skins fits the first description? A lot of guys. But which guys can you trade without created a void? This team doesn't have much depth. Its really comes down to 1 position, tight end.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Like who?"


Some young guy like Cooley who, in time, can make his own name in the league.

I for one am not in love with any player, as I'm a fan of the team, not the player.

And if a guy can be flipped for picks, well, I might be a fan for him then if he equals some guy(s) who can come in and improve the team.

For all its money and large stadium and smack talk, the Washington Redskins are an underachieveing sports franchise.

And to suggest that we have to 'hold on' to some guy just because folks love him is insane.

Support the team, not the players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 1:30 PM

I agree with almost everything. I'd keep Heyer and Levi but as affordable backups.

Portis and ARE should be and will be cut. These guys are players with a past, not a future.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis is UNDER 30.

He still has a few good years left.

TE Todd Yoder seems to get open around the Red Zone and he's a tremendous blocker. He is a good 2nd TE.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"For the 245th time, Shanny loves the fact that he has 2 great TE's to work with."

Maybe he trades Cooley for picks and finds a traditional blocking tight end to pair with Davis.

There are other guys out there, ya know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is going to trade anything more than at best a 3rd rounder for him but probably no more than a 4th. He's not even a top 10 tight end. In no particular order these are all the tight ends better than him.

Gates
Vernon Davis
Clark
Daniels
Gonzalez
Witten
Celek
Winslow
Shiancoe
Finley

Listen, I love Cooley, and he is our best possession receiver. That said, he's not a particularly good blocker, he doesn't have field stretching speed, he doesn't score many TDs (IMO that has more to do with JC than CC but Davis found a way to score), and he has recently developed a habit of fumbling. Tight end is still not as important a position as pretty much every other offensive position other than maybe fullback. Teams can get production from other options without giving up a high draft pick to get a middle of the pack tight end coming of a major injury.

Together, a healthy Cooley paired with a developing Davis gives us weapons and options and makes our offense more dangerous. Separately they're both nice players but nothing all that special. Its not worth giving up the matchup problems and the options the pair of them create for a midround pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

For all its money and large stadium and smack talk, the Washington Redskins are an underachieveing sports franchise.

And to suggest that we have to 'hold on' to some guy just because folks love him is insane.

Support the team, not the players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Its not about loving the player. Its about fielding the best team possible. Cooley is a top 5 TE. Davis is one of the best young TE's coming up. Who can boast that around the league? Who can throw 2 TE's onto the field and keep defenses guessing? Sometimes you need to think outside the box. Imagine the possibilities: Cooley lined up at FB - running a circle route, Davis split wide - quick slant inside the red zone ala Shockey in SB. You want to have as much options as possible.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is not a tight end. By his own admission! He is now talking about losing 25 pounds to be a "slot receiver"? Leaving Davis to the do the blocking. In his defense he was drafted to play the H-back in Gibbs scheme. He is not a tight end.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 1:17 PM
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Dude. Cooley was joking when he said that about dropping weight and becoming a slot receiver. I agree that he is never going to overpower a 265 pound linebacker/defensive end, but he can slow guys down and he is a better blocker than Davis is at this point in his career. He's not my idea of the prototypical tight end either, but Shanahan has done well with pass catching tight ends in the past (see Shannon Sharpe). I don't think Cooley is in danger of being traded.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why Vinny picked a TE in the second round when we already had Cooley. Oh well...davis or cooley equals Sharpe or Owen daniels. Sharpe and Daniels ran the sole route of the TE on a Shanny based offense. Depth is nice but depth at O line is crucial not at TE. We don't need two starting recieving TE's. remember half the time they're blocking. All you people who want OLINE help, you have to give something to get something in return. And what people want is YOUTH and proven commodity. Hence Cooley or Davis.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 10, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

ga8085

"It's not about loving the player. Its about fielding the best team possible. Cooley is a top 5 TE."


I re-read your post after I hit "submit," and realized you meant something all together different than what I represented in my response.

Can I get a, "Mah bad?"

But still, if someone tossed out a 4th rounder for Cooley/Campbell/Moss, the team would be stupid not to take them up on it.

This draft is going to be awash in juniors in the mid rounds--meaning mid round picks are at a premium.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe...

I agree 100%...I love Chris Cooley. Davis has proven that he is at least as good if not more athletic than Cooley. You've got Yoder who can catch and is a better blocker.

Nobody on this offense is "untradeable" as far as I am concerned. Love the team not the player....

We can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Cooley.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"You know, we've talked and basically, he knows what I brought to Denver," Romanowski said. "When I got there, I brought people with me - massage therapists, high-performance therapists, speed coaches - you know, guys that are still working for the Denver Broncos. I implemented breakfast because I saw that guys were walking in in the morning either not having eaten breakfast, or they were walking in with a McDonald's bag.

"So, literally, I was about helping the team win Super Bowls. And the only way you can do that is by addressing weak links, okay? Weak links were guys were breaking down. We need to get them healthier. Bio-mechanically they need to be better. Nutritionally they need to be stronger. And I knew the experts. They needed to train better. I bought $10,000 worth of exercise equipment for the Denver Bronco weight room in the first couple months I was there, because I didn't like some of the equipment they had. So I wrote a check and said, 'We need this stuff, because this will help us win.' "

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/romo_id_cut_off_my_right_arm_f.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he trades Cooley for picks and finds a traditional blocking tight end to pair with Davis.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is going to trade anything more than at best a 3rd rounder for him but probably no more than a 4th. He's not even a top 10 tight end.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 1:48 PM |

"Trades Cooley for picks ..." Heh, heh. MistaMoe doesn't know dick.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that there is so much discussion abut certain guys. What is true is that its pretty much impossible to turn a roster over very quickly without handing out massive chunks of cash. While I'm not a big fan of the owner, I'm also not a fan of Danny wasting money.

The issue isn't whether Rock, ARE, Randy Thomas, or Portis goes. Even London Fletcher isn't ageless.

The issue is when they go. This year, next year or the year after. I'm guessing Shanahan has a 3 year plan for the roster, realizing he can only do about 1/2 the job in 2010.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 1:48 PM

Careful now, I said Cooley was not a top 10 TE and had a similar list to your 2 months ago and all the player first fans had temper tantrums.

I’d trade him tomorrow for a 2nd but he would probably only net a 3rd or 4th. So he offers more valuable to us than his compensation.

People need to be objective as fans and realize that he’s not a top 10 TE (3TDs total last 2 years) and TE is one of the least valued positions on the offense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

We can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Cooley.

you're getting .50 cents on the dollar, and you take 2 steps back and none forward...the very idea of trading cooley is just dumb...the gain, isn't worth the loss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If anyone would trade a 1st or a 2nd or a starting caliber otackle for either Cooley or Davis I'd agree before they finished saying the offer. The problem is that isn't going to happen. IMO anything under a 3rd is ridiculous to even consider. So if you can find a team out there that would give a top 10 3rd round pick for Cooley then maybe you do it, but I just don't see that happening.

Gates - UFA
Vernon Davis - #6 overall
Clark - #24 overall
Daniels - 4th round
Gonzalez - 1st round
Witten - 3rd round
Celek - 5th round
Winslow - #6 overall
Shiancoe - 3rd round
Finley - 3rd round

that's only 4 out of the top 10 TEs from last year that were drafted above the 3rd round. Its only rare physical freaks at TE taken that high. I just can't imagine many teams that would consider giving up anything more than a 4th for Cooley.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Again, by his own admission, Cooley is not a tight end and so does particularly care for the blocking assignments on the line! NOT A TIGHT END; what part of that don't you understand? He himself has been thinking about becoming a slot receiver ... and no Campbell through 20 TD's the most ever for him. Why? Mostly because he had a ***real*** tight end in Davis and did not have to rely on Moss or Portoise to get in. So, it doesn't appear to have anything to do with Campbell and more to do with party animal Cooley.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I’d trade him tomorrow for a 2nd but he would probably only net a 3rd or 4th. So he offers more valuable to us than his compensation.

People need to be objective as fans and realize that he’s not a top 10 TE (3TDs total last 2 years) and TE is one of the least valued positions on the offense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

We can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Cooley.

you're getting .50 cents on the dollar, and you take 2 steps back and none forward...the very idea of trading cooley is just dumb...the gain, isn't worth the loss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

exactly!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Based on some of the draft, FA signings and trade scenarios posted up here, it is evident that Dan is not the only fan that would ruin this team if they owned the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

For all the draftniks a break down of Clausen from KC Joyner (it's a little long).
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What this is: During the year, Football Scientist K.C. Joyner has evaluated top NFL draft prospects. This week he looks at former Notre Dame Fighting Irish QB Jimmy Clausen.

When grading a quarterback's arm strength, I often think back to a line from former San Francisco 49ers coach Bill Walsh in Dr. Z's classic book, "The New Thinking Man's Guide To Pro Football." Some in the media had called Super Bowl XVI a battle between Walsh's brains and Cincinnati coach Forrest Gregg's discipline. That viewpoint led Walsh to ask this question: What constituted discipline? Was it being physically tough on someone? Or could it also be executing a highly choreographed set of moves under the pressure of competition? The answer is that it could be either, and it really depended on what one meant by the word discipline.

The same thing goes for measuring the velocity of a passing arm. The gold standard in this area is the deep out pass, but that throw requires a much different kind of delivery and less touch than many other important vertical passes, such as the go, corner, post and fade routes.

Now, let's look at Jimmy Clausen. It is pretty much a given that Clausen will be a first-round draft pick, but his arm strength is enough of a question mark to cause his predicted draft slot status to vary significantly. For example, Mel Kiper's initial mock draft has Clausen going to the Buffalo Bills at the No. 9 spot because he possesses "an NFL arm." Scouts Inc.'s Todd McShay, on the other hand, has Clausen going in the No. 23 spot (to the Seattle Seahawks) in part because "he doesn't have ideal arm strength."

So which analyst is right?

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

cont...

The odd thing is that they both are on the money. After breaking down six of Clausen's 2009 game tapes (at Michigan, at Michigan State, vs. USC, vs. Boston College, vs. Connecticut and at Stanford), I found metrics and scouting notes to back both sides of that argument.

For example, Clausen did a fine job on the 13 deep out passes he threw. Eleven of them were on target (on target being defined as landing within the catching frame of the receiver) and seven ended up being completed. He was also 2-for-2 on the comeback route -- which is a close cousin of the deep out -- so he was on the money on 13 out of 15 of the vertical outside routes.

Clausen also displayed superb accuracy on the long passes that require more arc than the deep out. He was one for two on the corner route and would have been two for two if not for a dropped pass. Clausen also completed the only deep post route he threw.

Throwing into high traffic areas also was an area of strength for Clausen, something that is evidenced by his seven completions in eight attempts on deep in passes.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Given the current dire straits this team is in on offense and in the defensive backfield ... that 3rd or 4th rounder for Cooley looks very attractive to anyone who is objective about this. Sheesh! I only wish they could get a 3rd or 4th for Portoise.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

cont....

For all of his vertical plusses from a metric perspective, the scouting eye indicated Clausen had some issues on certain types of throws. This was especially evident in the Michigan contest. In that game, Clausen had multiple occasions when he threw a low hard pass when a higher, arced passed would have been more appropriate. It almost looked as though he was trying to show just how hard he could throw the ball and was putting more mustard on passes than was necessary. That trend didn't show up later in the season, so it might have been an early season psychological issue he has since overcome.

Clausen also had issues when facing a pass rush. The scouting notes indicated numerous instances where Clausen threw passes off of his back foot when the defense did a heavy blitz. The first negative on this front is that he would do at times even when the blitz was picked up, so that leads to concerns about whether he will get what Phil Simms calls "pocket cabin fever" whenever a defense comes after him.

The second negative is that those aerials ended up well short of the mark. That clearly shows Clausen cannot effectively gun a pass downfield unless he has the ability to step into the pass.

If the game tape reviews showed both an upside and a downside in terms of Clausen's arm, they were perfectly clear about his ability to read a defense. He made only four bad decisions in 224 passes (a bad decision being defined as when the quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads to either a turnover or a near turnover). That equates to a 1.7 percent bad-decision rate, which is a mark that would usually rank among the top 10-15 quarterbacks if it were accomplished at the NFL level, so Clausen gets high marks here.


The Football Scientist Lab Result: Drew Brees and Philip Rivers have proven that the ability to read a defense is much more important than possessing a cannon for an arm. Clausen has displayed superb ability in that area, and when that is added to his more than adequate skill in placing accurate throws downfield, it equals a TFS seal of approval.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

the very idea of trading cooley is just dumb...the gain, isn't worth the loss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:11 PM |

Not as dumb as your post. At this point Cooley is pretty pretty much surplus goods. If you can get a 4th rounder for him then grab it but the chances are slim. Cooley's stats are garbage man stats - after all the big guns clear out the middle he comes in and collects the garbage.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

3rd or 4th round pick: Center and guard. If they are good enough to start next year and then if they continue to improve the following year? Yep, well worth trading Captain Crash. You can draft someone else who likes to block at tight end while you are at it.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:16 PM

You got one for Bradford?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

People need to be objective as fans and realize that he’s not a top 10 TE (3TDs total last 2 years) and TE is one of the least valued positions on the offense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To base any player's TD stats under the Zorn regime is very unfair. I believe the year before Cooley had 6 TD with Gibbs. Davis only started catching TD's when Sherm Lewis was at the helm. Who's to say Cooley wouldn't had as many or more if he wouldn't of went down? I mean having Portis throwing you the football in the redzone isn't exactly guaranteed pts.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Heh, heh. MistaMoe doesn't know dick."

Thank you, sir.

A envy about a penis is not something I'm hard up to learn about.

Or experience.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Dude. Cooley was joking when he said that about dropping weight and becoming a slot receiver. I agree that he is never going to overpower a 265 pound linebacker/defensive end, but he can slow guys down and he is a better blocker than Davis is at this point in his career.

Strange joke to make when your job is about to be lost to a promising young player? You don't make that kind of "joke". The guy was more than half serious about it ... he doesn't like to block and has now admitted it.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

fd, so next year cooley will either be the starter, or the #2, but thats, 'surplus goods' according to you?

I'm just gonna bow out of this one, and let your moronic post die in a pool of its own vomit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You got one for Bradford?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:20 PM

No. I'm not sure if he'll do one on Bradford since he missed so much time this past season.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Football Scientist Lab Result: Drew Brees and Philip Rivers have proven that the ability to read a defense is much more important than possessing a cannon for an arm.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:16 PM |

Dude. We didn't need no science lab to tell us this shti. We've been watching Camp for five years now.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I believe the year before Cooley had 6 TD with Gibbs.

I believe Gibbs system was very effective with Cooley at ... let's all say it now H-back. It's when they did the Al Saunders thing that Cooley became lost. Before that under Gibbs the blocking tight ends were Mike Sellers remember? Gibbs system worked in spite of the naysayers. He was just unwilling to fight over Snyder's every whim.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Brunell also easilty proved that he could read defenses ... his problem was his arm strength. You need a good combination of both.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm just gonna bow out of this one, and let your moronic post die in a pool of its own vomit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:23 PM |

A little tetchy are we?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, cause we all know 3rd to 4th rounders are guaranteed to be Pro Bowlers. Give me a break..Some of you guys preach patience to rebuild but seem to think this off season is the only year you can do it. Next year, regardless of the talent drop off or not, with a full surplus of draft picks, the Redskins can address more holes. They're not going to do it all in one year. Trading Pro Bowlers for 4th rounders makes no sense at all.

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 2:25 PM

Was that all that you got out of that whole article I posted?

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

no, you're just a little stupid....so there you go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | February 10, 2010 2:22 PM

Very true about Zorn's O. Cooley had 8 TDs 3 years ago. You like how I left that out...3 in 2 years vs. 11 in 3 years.

Cooley is good, not great. He's more valuable to this team than a 3rd or 4th. His contract would also be a challenge to move.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

Todd Yoder can block and catch. In fact I dunno why we haven't got him more involved. I remember that Monday Night Game against Philly and Brian Dawkins got trucked and a broken shoulder trying to tackle Todd.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"...you're getting .50 cents on the dollar, and you take 2 steps back and none forward...the very idea of trading cooley is just dumb...the gain, isn't worth the loss..."

So if you get a 4th rounder for Cooley, and that pick becomes, say Ben Tate or Jordan Shipley, the offense takes a step back?

Remember: Todd Yoder is still a decent blocking tight end, so maybe he, Cooley, and Davis are like three tits on a woman.

A 4th for Cooley: that's a step forward.

We ain't won with him so how do we loss without him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is good, not great. He's more valuable to this team than a 3rd or 4th. His contract would also be a challenge to move.
Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:30 PM

I can easily see a two TE set in the red zone providing all sorts of problems for the opposing defense. The skins can work the run game or the playaction off that set.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

moe, for the roughly 1-BILLIONTH time.

Cooley plus Davis is called good DEPTH...if you trade either guy, you then have to go out, and either DRAFT another TE, or sign another TE to replace them?? How much sense does that make?? Not to mention that if you trade one, and the other goes down with an injury, you now have Todd Yoder as your starting TE....

Is that what we're aiming for?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

you now have Todd Yoder as your starting TE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


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What's wrong with that. Is there any evidence that Todd can't play? He's done good when on the field from what I've seen.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"But still, if someone tossed out a 4th rounder for Cooley/Campbell/Moss, the team would be stupid not to take them up on it."

Moe...

A fourth rounder for Campbell and you'd take it? If I were the owner I'd fire you - and I like you.

Trades for draft picks have to make the team stronger, not weaker. Like it or not Campbell is one of the best available QB's in FA out there this year. He has to earn more than a fourth rounder.

I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a mid-second round pick or you're throwing in some late rounders as well. Beyond that, it's not worth doing.

Can we get that high a pick for JC-17? I don't know. But anything less than that and I bring him back to camp.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I can easily see a two TE set in the red zone providing all sorts of problems for the opposing defense. The skins can work the run game or the playaction off that set.

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 2:36 PM

Two TEs certainly isn't going to stretch the field but inside the 10 and other packages could provide some real positive matchups for a change. I was really impressed with Davis’s ability to run after the catch but he needs to catch about 100 balls a day in camp to improve his below avg hands.

As far as the division I would rate our TE position, 2nd to Dallas. It’s our only position of depth and strength and I wouldn’t change that for a day 3 pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

vic, its the difference of having a weapon at TE, versus NOT having a weapon at te....Yoder is what he is, that being Just A Guy...JAG, as Parcells likes to call them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Two TE sets! Formula for success. Are they in there to run the seam route or are they pass protecting for the lack of offensive lineman they again neglect to address via draft or FA. Again my skins fans, depth is a luxury not a necessity at TE. Now O line is a necessity.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 10, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha Bean, (it was worth a try)

Teams still game plan for Cooley. He's simply a mismatch for LB's and teams must keep LB's in around the Goalline.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"A fourth rounder for Campbell and you'd take it?"

I would if I was convinced that he's a flawed quarterback which he is.

Yes he threw for 3,600 yards behind a bad line.

But he isn't an accurate deep thrower and the league will bring 8 man fronts and blitz freely until he shows he can consistently punish them for it.

And a guy who's just a good mid range passer is worth about, say, a 4th rounder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Bean,

That's Vicc. I don't wanna be mistaken for 'Vic1'

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"But he isn't an accurate deep thrower and the league will bring 8 man fronts and blitz freely until he shows he can consistently punish them for it."

++++

One could argue that our O line play the last 24 games had a little to do with that - an I am NOT a JC apologist. I remember that being one of his strengths in his early years FWIW.

If I'm a GM, I'm selling a QB who was ranked in the top half of the league, who has improved every year under the worst of circumstances, but who doesn't fit the new style of offense my new coach has brought to the team, so we'd like to make a change. I'm shopping a starting QB, and I don't sell that for a fourth rounder.

It's not about what he is worth to you, it's about what he is worth to another team in worse QB trouble than us.

Just sayin...

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Brunell also easilty proved that he could read defenses ... his problem was his arm strength. You need a good combination of both.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 2:27 PM |

You're referencing his Skins yrs when he was injurated you doofus. He was the 1st coming of Brees when he was with Jack. In fact, he would have won the SB a la Brees if the HC had been Payton instead of that knucklehead Major Tom.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I am all for getting a good QB under center, but the problem is, I'm not sure one is out there this year. Those that think that Bradford or Clausen can come in as rookies and do a better job than Campbell are smoking crack.

It would take either of them at least 2 years of experience to get to JC's level.
That said I am all for picking up a QB in the draft, but not in the first 2 rounds.

I would be happy if the first few pick went something like..

O-Line
LB 3-4 LB
Safty
QB
RB

Cant fix all of the problems in 1 draft, but should be able to build solid foundation.

Hail!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 10, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

no, you're just a little stupid....so there you go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 10, 2010 2:30 PM |

Wow. 2nd reply to inflammatory post. Next one and we'll be entering DMV territory.

DMV = Dept of Motor Vehicles

Where acrimony, spite and ill will live happy productive lives.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I am all for getting a good QB under center, but the problem is, I'm not sure one is out there this year. Those that think that Bradford or Clausen can come in as rookies and do a better job than Campbell are smoking crack.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 10, 2010 3:11 PM |

Putting down my pipe for a moment to say that if Claus were not such a jerkoff he could do what Ryan did 2 yrs ago - come in and take a suck job team to the playoffs. One reason Ryan was able to do this is because he had a lot of starting experience in a pro style O, prexactly what Claus has also.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for the inevitable RI post that says that workouts at the Park were cancelled because of the snow. Oh, wait a sec. There are no S&C coaches so how could there be any workouts. Duh!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Bean,

That's Vicc. I don't wanna be mistaken for 'Vic1'

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:52 PM

There's a difference?

Posted by: mack1 | February 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm a GM, I'm selling a QB who was ranked in the top half of the league, who has improved every year under the worst of circumstances,..."


This is why I say our best trading partners for Jason Campbell are the vikings.

They got the pieces, run a version of the WCO, and really just need him to hand off and make the occasional toss to Sidney Rice that T Jackson would flub.

Could the vikes be twisted into giving up a 3rd rounder or 4th rounder (plus a player) for Campbell with the idea that Hamlet-Favre might not make a decision about his career any time soon?

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Putting down my pipe for a moment to say that if Claus were not such a jerkoff he could do what Ryan did 2 yrs ago - come in and take a suck job team to the playoffs. One reason Ryan was able to do this is because he had a lot of starting experience in a pro style O, prexactly what Claus has also.


Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I get the pro style O thing, but I think Clausen would look more like Matt Stafford than Matt Ryan. Lets face it, we couldn't even beat the freakin Lions last year given the lack of talent/depth, which is not all on Campbell. A lot more glaring holes than QB IMO..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Been off the RI for about 6 weeks, and my first day back on I see we're still arguing about trading Cooley. My $.02 is this: we went 4-12 last year. We need as much talent on the team as we can get. Cooley is a great TE. Let's pair him with Davis, create matchup problems, and get our other needs in the draft and FA.

That is all...

Posted by: mattylight | February 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone cares, McShay's latest mock:


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4901957

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 10, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Could the vikes be twisted into giving up a 3rd rounder or 4th rounder (plus a player) for Campbell with the idea that Hamlet-Favre might not make a decision about his career any time soon?

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:30 PM |

There would be howls of laughter in all the other NFL GM offices if the Vikes were suckered into doing a deal like that.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone cares, McShay's latest mock:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4901957

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 10, 2010 3:36 PM |

Joffer dude. It should be "In case any subscriber cares ...". ESPN wants coin to gain access to read the gold nuggets coming off the keyboards of its doofus analysts. I guess you took their bait.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"One reason Ryan was able to do this is because he had a lot of starting experience in a pro style O, prexactly what Claus has also."

If you move Campbell, Clausen's your #4 guy.

If you keep Campbell, LeFeveour's your 4th round guy.

It seems like a draft day trade based on what the rams about do about getting a q-back is what will dictate what we do.

If I'm Shanny, I want my own young'n to train up, no disrespect to JC, but every coach wants to have his 'guy'.

And Campbell himself was St Joe's.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

That is all...

Posted by: mattylight | February 10, 2010 3:35 PM |

Well I guess we can now say we have seen the light.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And Campbell himself was St Joe's.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:43 PM |

True. Only St Joe wasn't as sharp-eyed as the 1.0 version.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Judging JC17 behind that offensive line is not a fair assessment. Zorn was also the worst playcaller ever, so that didn't help at all.

It's like judging a boxer who has to fight with 1 hand behind his back.

Draft O-line in 1st rd, let the Shannys coach them up and see what happens.

if he still sucks, get rid of him.

On the subject of Portis: Look what happened to Eli and the Giants when Tiki was gone and shockey was off the field. Just sayin'

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 10, 2010 3:36 PM
Can you copy and paste the mock draft. I think out of the draft experts, I lean toward Mike Mayock.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The Colts could easily win their first 12-13 games again next year. I wonder if they take their foot off the gas again? They'll probably tank a game early in the season to avoid having to go thru that again. Shanahan doesn't seem to be the type to pass up a shot at perfection. He'll keep playing his starters (Bradford, Jahvid Best and Brandon Marshall)and the football gods will reward him with a championship and a perfect record.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 10, 2010 3:36 PM
Can you copy and paste the mock draft. I think out of the draft experts, I lean toward Mike Mayock.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 10, 2010 3:52 PM |

Dude if he did that he could get into trouble with John Law. That is proprietary info.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"There would be howls of laughter in all the other NFL GM offices if the Vikes were suckered into doing a deal like that."


Who'd inspire the greatest laughter?

a. Jason Campbell starting for the vikings after a draft day trade.

b. Tavaris Jackson given a second chance to prove himself a starter.

c. Sage Rosenfels given a shot to prove he can be a starter.

I guess you're right: the guy who threw for 3,600 yards behind the skins' porous line to mediocre receivers would have folks laughing all over the league if he took over from where Favre left off.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The Colts could easily win their first 12-13 games again next year. I wonder if they take their foot off the gas again? They'll probably tank a game early in the season to avoid having to go thru that again. Shanahan doesn't seem to be the type to pass up a shot at perfection. He'll keep playing his starters (Bradford, Jahvid Best and Brandon Marshall)and the football gods will reward him with a championship and a perfect record.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Sooooo how is life in constant orbit?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:30 PM

I'm on the fence, Moe.

I'd really like to get more than that for a starting QB. My thinking is that if I can't get at least a second, then I keep him and not draft a QB in this draft at all. Not sure everyone would agree with that, but that's how I got where I am. I guess I'd think about an early third and a fifth maybe.

Under that scenario, I take:
Round 1 QB Bradford/Clausen (I think Clausen?)
Round 2 OT Calloway/Campbell
Round 3 OT Capers/Ziemba
Round 4 CB/FS Myron Lewis (Vandy)/CB Chris Cook (VA)
Round 5 ILB Josh Hull (Penn State)/ Joe Pawelek (Baylor)
Round 5 OLB Cameron Sheffield (Troy)
Round 7 C/G Erik Cook (New Mexico)

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Under that scenario, I take:
Round 1 QB Bradford/Clausen (I think Clausen?)
Round 2 OT Calloway/Campbell

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:06 PM |

Campbell as in Bruce? Don't think he will be on the board past pick 8 and Al Davis, especially after he kills in the combine. An OT with a sub 5 40!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Campbell as in Bruce? Don't think he will be on the board past pick 8 and Al Davis, especially after he kills in the combine. An OT with a sub 5 40!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 4:12 PM |

Yeah, I have him as a late firat rounder, so if he slides... Or if Anthony Davis slides... Otherwise, I take Calloway.

I just didn't want to clutter it up with lots of contingent names.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

firat = first.

hands...keyboard...head slap.

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"I'd really like to get more than that for a starting QB. My thinking is that if I can't get at least a second, then I keep him and not draft a QB in this draft at all."

If we had the third rounder, I wouldn't care.

But we don't, so I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't think he will be on the board past pick 8 and Al Davis, especially after he kills in the combine. An OT with a sub 5 40!

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 4:12 PM |

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Skins took Campbell and then Portis and Betts couldn't keep up with him when he pulls and clears a blocking lane?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If we had the third rounder, I wouldn't care.

But we don't, so I do.

++

Agreed. I like Jarmon and hope he pans out, but I would love having a third as well...

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. I like Jarmon and hope he pans out, but I would love having a third as well...

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 4:34 PM |

In a year which will prob be the last uncapped salary year it was a dumb Vinny move to use the 3rd rounder on Jarman. There will be loads of talent available in the rush to beat the cap.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's a look at the much-criticized offensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers:

Left Tackle: Starks (3rd round '04)
Left Guard: Urbik (3rd round '09)
Center: Hartwig (FA; had been 6th rd '02)
Right Guard: Essex (3rd round '05)
Right Tackle: Colon (4th round '06)

They've certainly spent the draft picks on the problem.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

They've certainly spent the draft picks on the problem.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 4:58 PM

+++

Are you saying they are the exception or the rule?

Posted by: edvar | February 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's the o-line for one of the NFL's worst teams, the Lions:

Left tackle: Backus (1st rd, #18, '01)
Left guard: Ramirez (4th rd, '07)
Center: Raiola (2nd round, '01)
Right guard: D. Gandy (FA - orig. 4th rd Indy '05)
Right tackle: Cherilus (1st rd, #17, '08)

That's another club that's spent a lot of high draft choices on the o-line.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Are you saying they are the exception or the rule?Posted by: edvar"

Just thinking out loud...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Snowtorious B.I.G.

It has to eventually stop, right?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

People need to be objective as fans and realize that he’s not a top 10 TE (3TDs total last 2 years) and TE is one of the least valued positions on the offense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


Objectively speaking, can you inform us how you objectively arrived at ranking Cooley outside the top 10 TEs in the league?

What is your objective criteria?

Are you only looking at TD catches?

What objective analysis did you utilize to conclude that TE is one of the leadt valued positions?

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Here Samson151,

This is a link of every Superbowl Winning team and their roster.

http://www.football-almanac.com/Super_Bowl.shtml

When examined closely, you will see that IN TODAYS NFL, YOU NEED A STELLAR QB OR A TOP 3 DEFENSE IN TERMS OF PTS ALLOWED TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL.

Lets hope the Skins find a Franchise QB this draft!

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There might have been a time when a stout O-line could win you a title, but it's 2010 and my president is black, ya crazy crackas.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's the o-line for one of the NFL's worst teams, the Lions:

Newflash Samson the Lions are improving dramatically ... thanks to the OL and the development of their 1st round draft pick QB. You need both **vicc** not one without the other .. B-O-T-H.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

you now have Todd Yoder as your starting TE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


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What's wrong with that. Is there any evidence that Todd can't play? He's done good when on the field from what I've seen.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


The evidence would be that he's the the third TE on our depth chart and its not like teams are scrambling to get him.

He's a decent blocker and a sneaky pass-catcher because no one expects you to actually throw the ball to him because he rarely runs routes.

When you thrust him into a starting role you'll see that he's not particularly fast, agile, athletic, explosive and not much of a playmaker.

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Objectively speaking, can you inform us how you objectively arrived at ranking Cooley outside the top 10 TEs in the league?

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 5:16 PM

There are at least 10 TEs in the league that are better, hence outside the top 10.

Of course that is subjective, I could copy and paste some stats to use an objective measure. But it's a waste of time, he's a good player and I wouldn't trade him for less than a 2nd round pick.

Most fans aren’t very objective when it comes to their team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Who'd inspire the greatest laughter?

a. Jason Campbell starting for the vikings after a draft day trade.

b. Tavaris Jackson given a second chance to prove himself a starter.

c. Sage Rosenfels given a shot to prove he can be a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:59 PM |

Before the Vikes get to these crumbs on the table they will thoroughly check out the Favre and McN dishes.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

You need both **vicc** not one without the other .. B-O-T-H.

said periculum.


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I won't argue against that peri, but a great O-line can be beaten by a better D-line. So in the case your stellar O-line is getting whipped, a great QB can make pre-snap adjustments.

The only thing that stops Jason Campbell from being a Franchise QB is that he's not consistent. I've seen occasional flashes of brilliance, but my mantra is consistency.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I like Todd as a 2nd TE, p1funk.

Not as a starter.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that stops Jason Campbell from being a Franchise QB is that he's not consistent. I've seen occasional flashes of brilliance, but my mantra is consistency.

He still has a huge upside due to his incredible athleticism. He has also been a "jack" of many offensive systems and the master of none. This will be his 4th different offensive system in the Pros. Peyton Manning has been in 1 his entire career, the same with Brady. Drew Brees, just 2.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

c. Sage Rosenfels given a shot to prove he can be a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 3:59 PM |

I often wondered why the Vikes never made a big deal of the "New Riders of the Purple Sage" angle.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Cooley makes an excellent H-back and would be a great slot receiver ... Davis has the better tools and athleticism to play tight end both as blocker and receiver.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Now that Mike Shanahan will reintroduce the play-action into our offensive scheme, Campbell could greatly benefit from bootlegs.

We may need to adopt GB's philosophy and tell Jason that if he hasn't found his target by the fifth step, take off and run!

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This will be his 4th different offensive system in the Pros.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:47 PM |

Hey, it don't matter whether you've had one O system or n, if you can't read Ds you ain't no elite QB and won't ever will be.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it don't matter whether you've had one O system or n, if you can't read Ds you ain't no elite QB and won't ever will be.

And you can't read 'D''s if you or your receivers are unsure about what anyone is doing or where they are supposed to be. Believe me, Favre runs HIS VERY OWN offense. Minn tailored that offense to fit Favre not the other way around as it has been with Campbell. And Favre still throws way too many INTs.

To quote Vicc, consistency ... which comes from, wait for it, STABILITY.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

May round 1
Grimm round 3
Starke round 11
Jacoby free agent
Bostic free agent

and the point is???

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

and

McKenzie round 11
Schlereth round 10
Lachey round 1

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's WGAF moment: a wide open receiver and the dud throws it 10' over his head and dumps it out of bounds. Or mebbe it was a WGAS moment.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I often wondered why the Vikes never made a big deal of the "New Riders of the Purple Sage" angle.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 5:47 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
uh oh 70's flashback coming thru

Panama Red
Glendale Train
Louisiana Lady

man dig the pretty colors...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Anybody has the website that has the brake down of player's stats on the OL? I'd like to see where Backus ranks. I can't understand why the Lions like him so much?

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

and the point is???

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 5:56 PM |

It's on top of your head you pencil-neck geek.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen is a bone head Zorn type.
His idea of throw back is an "arrow"...I thought it was a spear?????, someone please.......maroon and black???????
yes we do need new uniforms...maybyt it will help the new dumb a$$ magt. figure out wht this team is all about.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | February 10, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I often wondered why the Vikes never made a big deal of the "New Riders of the Purple Sage" angle.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 5:47 PM

Mebbe vthey would have if the dud had any talent.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Anybody has the website that has the brake down ...

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 6:09 PM |

Yeah. It's "prius.com". Heh, heh.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Romo on what he would bring to the table if hired by the redskins.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/romo_id_cut_off_my_right_arm_f.html#more

Posted by: TWISI | February 10, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

There are at least 10 TEs in the league that are better, hence outside the top 10.

Of course that is subjective, I could copy and paste some stats to use an objective measure. But it's a waste of time, he's a good player and I wouldn't trade him for less than a 2nd round pick.

Most fans aren’t very objective when it comes to their team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse


My point is that your placement of him outside the top 10 is not very objective either.

Before his season got cut short by injury, I bet there are plenty of non-Skins fans who would have Cooley among the top 10 TEs in the league, and even the top 5 as evidenced by his 2 straight ProBowl appearances.

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I like Todd as a 2nd TE, p1funk.

Not as a starter.

Posted by: Vicc | February 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse


But the point is that if something happens to Davis, then Yoder is our starter.

Suddenly a position of strength for the team becomes a glaring weakness, especially considering how the Shannys like to use TEs in their system.

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen is a bone head...So much for history. On Comcast he just said something stupid...throwback helmats with an arrow on it????? All my life I thought it was a spear. Go figure!!!! Maroon and black here we go again. He will probably pick a QB with our 4th pick in the 1st. dumb....

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | February 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Before his season got cut short by injury, ...

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 6:41 PM |

Fair or not, injury always knocks a player's rep down a few notches, regardless of what history there is.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Cooley makes an excellent H-back and would be a great slot receiver ... Davis has the better tools and athleticism to play tight end both as blocker and receiver.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse


Ummm, let's not overthink this.

Considering Cooley made 2 consecutive ProBowls as a TE, one might reasonably think that he makes an excellent...tight end?

Posted by: p1funk | February 10, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

trade Cooley for Brandon Marshall - both teams will be happy

Posted by: coparker5 | February 10, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

the Saints just won a superbowl with a left tackle named Bushrod, the year before the Steelers won witn Max Starks, those teams were quarterbacked by Brees and Rothlisberger, hmmmmmmm, I wonder which position is most important? Draft Bradford.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 10, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley for Brandon Marshall - both teams will be happy

It could happen but it would probably cost the Redskins more than Cooley.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

trade Cooley and next year's #2 pick to the Raiders for Darren McFadden and Raiders 3rd round pick this year

Posted by: coparker5 | February 10, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Would you draft a pitcher after he already has had shoulder surgery? That would be Bradford ... the safe bet is to draft Okung.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Would you draft a pitcher after he already has had shoulder surgery? That would be Bradford ... the safe bet is to draft Okung.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:35 PM |

A pitcher needs shoulder surgery because he overthrew. Brad didn't overthrow. Your analogy sucks pond scum.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Bushrod (Towson!!?) drafted 5th round LT Stichcomb drafted 2nd round RT Evans drafted 4th round G Goodwin originally drafted by Jets C Nicks drafted 5th round. G

All were tackles in college except Goodwin. Who I don't think was drafted.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

A pitcher needs shoulder surgery because he overthrew. Brad didn't overthrow. Your analogy sucks pond scum.

Footballs are heavier and harder to throw than baseballs ... far harder on the rotator cuff smegma speckles. Sheesh what an imbecile ...

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

A pitcher needs shoulder surgery because he overthrew. Brad didn't overthrow. Your analogy sucks pond scum.

Footballs are heavier and harder to throw than baseballs ... far harder on the rotator cuff smegma speckles. Sheesh what an imbecile ...

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:50 PM |

You posts are like MistaMoe's. You just type whatever idea pops into your pea brain without pausing to see if it is logical and makes any sense.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Considering Cooley made 2 consecutive ProBowls as a TE, one might reasonably think that he makes an excellent...tight end?

H-back. And I believe that was what was said about him when he made it. Sellers was the tight end at the time.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You posts are like MistaMoe's. You just type whatever idea pops into your pea brain without pausing to see if it is logical and makes any sense.

Posted by: SpecialOps

No, its only what scouts inc. is saying about Bradford. He's damaged goods. Gee, or have we forgotten Brunell? I'll get out and plow the snow from the school parking lots to send you back .. what an average frustrated chump you must be.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

No, its only what scouts inc. is saying about Bradford. He's damaged goods.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:57 PM |

Another brain fart post. Jesus dude they are piling up like the snow outside. See below.

From Wally Football:

"What this comes down to is Bradford's shoulder. If he's healthy - and the Redskins have Dr. James Andrews working for them, so they'll know better than anyone - Bradford will be the pick."

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Gee, or have we forgotten Brunell?

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:57 PM |

We haven't forgotten Brunell but you seem to have conveniently forgotten that not too long ago you were posting that the problem with Brunell was his arm strength and now it is his injury.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys nuts!!! Romanowski will be a great hire. He will get in on players faces if they are out of shape. His been to 5 super bowls and won 4 of them. He won't be afraid to tell it like it is. Yeah he played dirty but who cares. That was his playing days. He played with passion and tuffness. Other players were scared of him. Does any current Redskin player scare anyone????? I say give him the job and lets see what he does. I will tell you that we won't have those nagging injuries like we did the last 2 years.

Posted by: TheJury | February 10, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"When examined closely, you will see that IN TODAYS NFL, YOU NEED A STELLAR QB OR A TOP 3 DEFENSE IN TERMS OF PTS ALLOWED TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL."

I guess I'm not clear on why people bother to write posts like the above, unless they're striving for that week's Mr. Obvious prize. He neglects to mention the teams that had 1) a terrific defense OR 2) a 'stellar' quarterback and yet failed to win the Super Bowl.

Maybe if I wrote all that in caps...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe you have to put everything in bold, that seems to pass for intelligence in some quarters.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"Samson151,We clearly need a LT. An athletic one. Chris Samuels was capable of handling premier rushers by himself.If we draft the next 'Chris Samuels', I think we can expect initial returns. Especially with D. Ware, O. Uminyoura(spelling?), and Trent Cole in division.Posted by: Vicc"

Even Samuels, great as he is, took a while to hit his stride. Part of the problem was he was too light. Another was his unfamiliarity with pro-style blocking schemes.

Besides, what makes you think the 'next Chris Samuels' is in this draft class?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm: Hall of Fame

Bill Romanowski: Hall of Phlegm

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Besides, what makes you think the 'next Chris Samuels' is in this draft class?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 8:37 PM |

Name of Bruce Campbell.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SpecialOps

"You posts are like MistaMoe's. You just type whatever idea pops into your pea brain without pausing to see if it is logical and makes any sense."


Wow: another critic.

Dudes are lining up around the corner to throw snowballs at the Florida guy chilling in sunshine.

Special Ops is the new breed of predatory hack blogga who offers nothing and hates on all.

But such is the life of the critic: we create, they hate.

Maybe he thinks his Ops are what makes him so special when it's his lack of education that does so.

This guy says what I post makes no sense and is illogical.

Gee...that's what someone else said last Spring when I was chatting up Phil Loadholt and Micheal Oher, but not Brian Orakpo.

An a year later, we still need tackle when linebackers are the easiest player to find.

Then there was the dude who said I was nuts to suggest that Alabama would beat Florida and win the NCAA National Championship: a boast I made in October.

Someone will stop to notice that I--the dreaded Yankee fan--am the only long term blogga to celebrate one of his teams winning a World Championship.

I will now pour champaigne on my pea brain while Special Ops does undercover self-gratification with hatred of my posts in his hypercritical mind.

I'll stop there as, well, you know, these cited ramblings are just a couple of instances where I made a stab into illogic and was right on the mark.

Something which can never be said of any gutless critic: special ed, Op, or otherwise.

I like to think Special Ed, not Op.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys nuts!!! Romanowski will be a great hire.

Posted by: TheJury | February 10, 2010 8:23 PM |

I have my doubts about him. What you need is a motivator who can use reason persuasion, not hotheaded ranting and barking. After all, these guys are for the most part seasoned professionals. You need someone who can work well with other coaches to customize a conditioning program to fit the individual and the postion. If this were cage fighting instead of the NFL mebbe he would be the right choice.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

were posting that the problem with Brunell was his arm strength and now it is his injury.

Special Ops? No wonder 9-11 happened. No brain engaged.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"Special Ops? No wonder 9-11 happened. No brain engaged."


I think Mr Ops is just another one of these dudes with about six screen names who pounces on the blog from time to time.

He's probably elevator al, sports_guru, and fartzdunmore all rolled into one low i.q. fag hag with an internet account.

Me?: I'm mistamoe day in and day out.

The only thing I change is my underwear.

Well, sometimes I change it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

From Wally Football:

"What this comes down to is Bradford's shoulder. If he's healthy - and the Redskins have Dr. James Andrews working for them, so they'll know better than anyone - Bradford will be the pick."

What a brain dead aus fahrt from special ops? Who the bejeesus is Wally Beaver Cleaver football and what do they know about anything Redskins? Let me know when it's Scouts or Football Outsiders ... Mebbe you are Kiper keeping his butt buddy Vinny happy?

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Special Ops? No wonder 9-11 happened. No brain engaged.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:09 PM |

9-11 happened because your boy Bush and his girfy Condi were asleep at the switch. They weren't connecting the dots. Special Ops tracks down the bastards that perpetrated the dastardly act and wastes their azzes.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

walterfootball.com

great site but Walter Cherepinsky (actual name) has a self professed man crush on Kiper.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

great site but Walter Cherepinsky (actual name) has a self professed man crush on Kiper.


He must because he reproduced that blip about Bradford verbatim from Kiper.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 10, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

What a brain dead aus fahrt from special ops? Who the bejeesus is Wally Beaver Cleaver football and what do they know about anything Redskins? Let me know when it's Scouts or Football Outsiders ...

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:19 PM |

Oh so now those brain-dead dicks at Scouts Inc have transmogrified themselves into orthopedic surgeons and know exactly what is wrong with Brad's shoulder. Like I said in a previous post your brain farts are piling up faster than the snow outside. If you keep this up it will be faster than the wind drifted snow outside.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

great site but Walter Cherepinsky (actual name) has a self professed man crush on Kiper.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 9:32 PM |

Hey, who wouldn't. Have you seen the size of his pompadour?

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Clearly specialops has a poster of Jerry Lewis on his bedroom wall ... right next to PeeWee Hermans ...

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Kipers hair>Kyle Orton's beard

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Clearly specialops has a poster of Jerry Lewis on his bedroom wall ... right next to PeeWee Hermans ...

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 9:44 PM |

Clearly sarcasm zips past you unnoticed like a quantum wave equation.

Posted by: SpecialOps | February 10, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Mock draft analysis 202 mock drafts

#1 - Suh 49%, Clausen 44%, Bradford 6%, Berry 1%
#2 - Suh 48%, G.McCoy 39%, Okung 11%, Berry 1%, Morgan 1%
#3 - Berry 44%, G.McCoy 41%, Okung 5%, Suh 2%, Morgan 2%, Clausen 2%
#4 - Bradford 44%, Okung, 24%, Clausen 23%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 3%, Campbell 1%
#5 - Okung 43%, Berry 24%, McClain 7%, Campbell 6%, Davis 6%, Williams 3%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I think Mr Ops is just another one of these dudes with about six screen names who pounces on the blog from time to time.

He's probably elevator al, sports_guru, and fartzdunmore all rolled into one low i.q. fag hag with an internet account.

Me?: I'm mistamoe day in and day out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2010 9:16 PM |

It's more like Mr. DuMass day in and day out. Doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't know who he is talking about.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

periculum, mistamoe

anyone who picks specialops as their handle knows nothing about special ops

they sit in their parent's basement watch endless screening of Navy Seals and Delta Force 1-6 on the TV between games of Call of Duty.

Torn Victor
Bravo Zulu
Out

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

RI's most beloved hot chick with a minor flaw used a Thumb double for her super bowl comercial.

Megan Fox suffers from a genetic condition called Brachydactyly, which is also known as clubbed thumb, where the fingers are short and the nails are wide a very short. According to the doctors it is a hereditary condition.

Here are the a bunch of pics of the club thumb..

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/megan_foxs_thumb#tab=most_recent&id=44258

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

anyone who picks specialops as their handle knows nothing about special ops

they sit in their parent's basement watch endless screening of Navy Seals and Delta Force 1-6 on the TV between games of Call of Duty.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 10, 2010 10:27 PM |

Still smarting from the "pointed" barb? Doesn't seem to make your witless posts any "sharper".

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

RI's most beloved hot chick with a minor flaw used a Thumb double for her super bowl comercial.

Megan Fox suffers from a genetic condition called Brachydactyly, which is also known as clubbed thumb, where the fingers are short and the nails are wide a very short.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 10:35 PM |

You know, it's always thumbthing, isn't it?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | February 10, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Gee...that's what someone else said last Spring when I was chatting up Phil Loadholt and Micheal Oher, but not Brian Orakpo.
An a year later, we still need tackle when linebackers are the easiest player to find."

Orakpo's a linebacker only in the loose sense of that term. He's a pass rusher, and those are not easy to find at all.

By the way, ESPN is projecting four OTs in the first half of the first round.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

If you notice Megan Fox's thumbs within the first two years, you're missing the point.

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | February 10, 2010 11:40 PM

She could be missing arms and I would still give her a daily rodgering.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 10, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

...give her a daily rodgering

You'd hold the ball too long and take a sack?

Posted by: daggar | February 11, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

dag- To each his own, but you don't have my permission to put me into your fantasies.

kthxbye

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 11, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

WHOA -

Romanowski for strength and conditioning coach?

I'm not so sure that is such a good idea. Plus, I seem to remember him having an uncontrollable temper.

Didn't he break his teammate's facial bones in a fight in training camp?

And didn't he spit into JJ Stokes' face on national television?

Then again, it could be interesting, everybody drinking those shakes prescribed by Dr. Romanowski.

I say, hire him as a "Consultant." See how the shakes work. If our O Line cant pick up the D Line and throw them outside the hash marks by opening day, Billy R. can take his show on the road.

But. But if they CAN shove the equivalent of a Sherman tank each... man for man ... we basically want Dallas.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 11, 2010 2:28 AM | Report abuse

We need some one in there that will make the guys stronger and less prone to hamstring injury. I don't think I've ever heard of a team with as many as the Skins over the last few years. Shows a lack conditioning.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 11, 2010 6:11 AM | Report abuse

"Campbell as in Bruce? Don't think he will be on the board past pick 8 and Al Davis, especially after he kills in the combine. An OT with a sub 5 40!Posted by: FartezDudmore"

If you think about it, why would Campbell go that high? He has terrific straight line speed, but left tackles spend most of their time on their heels, fending off pass rushers. He's not playing TE. He has a moderately significant injury history. He didn't play all that much in college.

Let's hope he's not a Vernon Davis style workout warrior.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

By the way, ESPN is projecting four OTs in the first half of the first round.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

And the REDSKINS should have one of them, two if possible.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Dump salary, trade down, get picks. Let's go management. Make it happen. And Dieselzzzzz get out of my truck. DAISY stay in here!!!!!!! PORTIS for a third. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

fartezdumore

"It's more like Mr. DuMass day in and day out. Doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't know who he is talking about."


Well, I can spell.

It's 'dumb a-s-s' if you're trying to insult me.

Like I said: trying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"And the REDSKINS should have one of them, two if possible."


So what's the best pair of linemen for the team to leave the draft with?:

Okung-Iupati

Okung-Campbell

Iupati-Campbell

Iupati-Pouncey

Okung-Pouncey

Williams-Campbell

Okung-Black

Iupati-Black

Williams-Ducasse


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I say no way, do not hire this guy. Do you think Gibbs would have ever considered hiring someone like him? Isn't that all you really need to know? I hope if they're dumb enough to hire him, that he's dumb enough to pick a fight with Haynesworth, and if we're really lucky maybe Snyder will somehow get caught in between them.

Posted by: rdrkr | February 11, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"So what's the best pair of linemen for the team to leave the draft with?:"

You don't like Bulaga? He might be a good fit for the Shanahans.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

fartezdumore

"It's more like Mr. DuMass day in and day out. Doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't know who he is talking about."

It's 'dumb a-s-s' if you're trying to insult me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 8:17 AM

I respectfully disagree. You are too touchy. He was trying to compliment you but he misspelled "Dumas." He thinks you are in a league with the great French author, Alexander Dumas, author of The Three Moesketeers.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"You don't like Bulaga?"

Actually, yes.

He, the USC tackle, and Capers are not on my list.

Too, I saw some kid from Iowa that also impressed.

I was just being a 'dumb a-s-s' and just tossing stuff out for discussion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Paging Mistah Mayah... paging Mistah Mayah... Got anything else, man? After beating this Romo non-interview post for two days I'm looking for a little something else. This RI reader would like to hear about:

-Did anyone tell Jarmin that he needed to put on the pounds to play in a 3-4. What's his feeling about the 3-4?

-What does ARE have to say about his crappy punt return average?

-What does Hunter Smith have to say about the Colts defeat in the Superbowl?

-How about an update on the rehab of all of last season's injured players?

-What is up with Chris Samuels? Why hasn't he retired yet? Is there a possibility he will be back next year? What's he risking if he does play?

-Would the Minnesota Viking be interested in trading for Jason Campbell if Favre retires? What would the deal be - Sage Rosenfels and a 3rd rounder?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

ESPN's McShay updated his top ten mock draft:

#4 Washington Redskins

Record: 4-12
Pick = Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers

Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone tell Jarmin that he needed to put on the pounds to play in a 3-4. What's his feeling about the 3-4?"

You have to also wonder if some team would take on Jarmon: I mean, folks yesterday said he was "..all that..".

If he's all that, but not enough to play in a 3-4, is there a trade possibility?

That's what I'm wondering.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

moe, guy is coming off an ACL injury...not sure you'd get a set of mis-matched mittens for him at this point....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 11, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"...guy is coming off an ACL injury...not sure you'd get a set of mis-matched mittens for him at this point..."


Yeah, I know, but my general theme is, is that the guy had better be all that and a bag of chips.

Vinny used a 3rd round pick to get a guy he could've had this Spring with a 5th or later selection seeing how he didn't play ball last Fall.

Somehow, I feel the team got suckered into taking a guy in Jarmon it probably could do without.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I prefer to let the past be in the past....trying to move Jarmon now, is knee-jerk, and short sighted at best. Not to mention that, similar to trading Cooley, you'd be getting 50 cents on the dollar...why make the trade just to make it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 11, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hail!!!!

Thats really i got for today fellas, hope it is enough to get us by, as with all of the snow i think the chance for a new post today is slim and none

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Too, I saw some kid from Iowa that also impressed. "

You mean some other kid from Iowa, other than Bulaga?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Bean and Moe (Sounds like one of those seventies television shows like Starsky and Hutch...),
I think the Jarmin pick was a good one at the time. He would have fit in great in the 4-3. I am not sure about 3-4 and that's why I ask the question about throwing on the pounds. As drafted, he was too light to be an end in 3-4 and I can't visualize him being a linebacker. I can't see the team trading a potential talent like this, but then again, I don't think he can pack on the pounds and recover from injury all in one offseason. Maybe the best place for him next season is IR, giving him the chance to build muscle mass while not leaving him dangling on the developmental roster where he will certainly be poached.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Moe

"Too, I saw some kid from Iowa that also impressed."

Samson

"You mean some other kid from Iowa, other than Bulaga?"

Yes: I feel stupid about right now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Umm..did RI take the week off? There hasn't been a new post like in three days.

zjfr2: I think morons like McShay are starting to realize that its highly likely Shanny will take an OT - since that is the biggest weakness on the team (common sense starting to prevail). I wonder if Kiper will come to the same conclusion?

Posted by: ga8085 | February 11, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Well this is what Kiper said in a recent ESPN chat session:

mel (dc)


What do you think the chances are that the Redskins will take an offensive lineman instead of a quarterback with the #4 pick?
Mel Kiper
(1:05 PM)


There is certainly a chance. They are one of several teams that could pass on the QB early and go for one in the second round. They could take Sam Bradford at 4 or take an OT. They could take Okung or Davis. Davis could be a Pro Bowler if he's consistent. If they want to trade down, they could do that and still get one of those OTs or Jimmy Clausen. Or, they could take the LT and look in the second round at Dan LeFevour. He's solidly become the No. 3 QB on the board. He's beat out McCoy, Tebow, Pike. He could be an early second round pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

He later said this about LeFevour:

He reminds me a little bit of Chad Pennington.
Mel Kiper
(1:06 PM)


He's not as accurate as Pennington, but he has a slightly better arm. Big kid. Very much a student of the game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

And he said this about the trading up and down possibilities in the 1st round this year especially regarding top 5 picks:


Mel Kiper
(1:15 PM)


It doesn't have great value, to me, because of the money. That's just the nature of the business. We saw the Jets trade up to 5 to get Mark Sanchez. The top 2-3 typically aren't traded. It's too much money and too much to give up. The teams would rather have quantity than quality. I don't see the needs for anyone to move up. You have DTs in this draft. There are a lot of first round DTs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a crap what Mel Kiper says? Can we get some quotes from Shanny or someone from Redskins park? That is what will get me excited.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
I like Pike better than LeFevour. He as a few issues with his footwork that I am sure can be worked out, and I think he makes good decisions quickly. He's more accurate than Campbell with decent arm strength. I really like the fact that he's 6' 6". When you see him play, he can see over his line and he throws high, having few passes batted down.

The big thing about him is he is light and a little fragile. A year on the bench building muscle mass and learning under Shanahan junior will make him, IMO, a god-awful good quarterback heading into 2011.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"[LeFevour]'s not as accurate as Pennington, but he has a slightly better arm. Big kid. Very much a student of the game.Posted by: zjfr2"

Not particularly tall, but more mobile.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"Who gives a crap what Mel Kiper says? Can we get some quotes from Shanny or someone from Redskins park? That is what will get me excited.Posted by: skinball77"

You're not likely to get much out of Redskins Park at this point in the process. In March, the active disinformation campaigns will begin.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Strange as it sounds, we'll probably get more accurate info from flacks like Kiper and MacShay than from GMs and coaches in the NFL. That's because teams will be doing their level best to disguise their real interest in hopes of getting a player for less than market value. Meanwhile, somebody like Kiper will be out there buying drinks for scouts from all over the league and taking notes. It's the equivalent of building some sort of consensus opinion on a player.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a crap what Mel Kiper says? Can we get some quotes from Shanny or someone from Redskins park? That is what will get me excited.

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

We actually have professionals in our organization now. IMO the only quotes you're going to get out of Redskins park is at press conferences after moves have been made or the standard "we're exploring all our options". The days of the Vinny lies and the media circus around potential moves like Cutler and Sanchez are probably over.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

We should stop thinking of Jarmon as a DE or a LB and start thinking of him as what he is, which is a pass rusher. Washington has two very promising young rushers in Orakpo and Jarmon. The club knew when they picked him that he needed a year in the weight room, but he impressed the coaches in camp. We'll see what the Shanahans do with the guy, but based on what I've seen in the NFL the last few seasons, you can't have too many pass rushers.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Bobby McCray of NO was on the radio yesterday saying that the Saints were forced to change their game plan in the Super Bowl because Manning was running a no-huddle and getting rid of the ball in two or three seconds, which essentially eliminated the blitz. The Saints were forced to rush only 3 men, against 5 blockers. They had to regroup and come back later in the game.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Bradford - Sights indicate good arm, yes he had injury and that will need to be assessed, yes he played in spread (so?), no upside based on what?
Clausen - Sights I read said things like elite football IQ, excellent at reading coverages, decisive with ball, will step up/out of pocket."

The main difference I've seen is that Bradford is more accurate underneath and Clausen is superior deep.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Considering Cooley made 2 consecutive ProBowls as a TE, one might reasonably think that he makes an excellent...tight end?

++++++

H-back. And I believe that was what was said about him when he made it. Sellers was the tight end at the time.

Posted by: periculum | February 10, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse


Well, considering the official Pro Bowl rosters from 2008 and 2009 have Cooley listed as a TE, I think I'm going to go with "tight end". MIke Sellers is listed as the 2009 NFC fullback.

They don't have an "H-back" position at the Pro Bowl, and Zorn never used one.

Sorry, dude. Your going to have to do more than just strongly assert your POV in order to validate your point.


http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8053b226&template=with-video&confirm=true

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80d60467&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"The main difference I've seen is that Bradford is more accurate underneath and Clausen is superior deep."

But if you take either at #4, do you start him or sit him behind Campbell?

That's the magic question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"The main difference I've seen is that Bradford is more accurate underneath and Clausen is superior deep."

But if you take either at #4, do you start him or sit him behind Campbell?

That's the magic question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know, but my general theme is, is that the guy had better be all that and a bag of chips.

Vinny used a 3rd round pick to get a guy he could've had this Spring with a 5th or later selection seeing how he didn't play ball last Fall.

Somehow, I feel the team got suckered into taking a guy in Jarmon it probably could do without.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Jarmon would not have been available this draft because there were other teams besides the Skins who were going to take him in the supplemental last year.

In fact, even after the Skins selected him I believe they were contacted by a team asking what they'd want for him.

You could argue that we didn't need extra help on the D-line at the time, and I'd buy that argument.

But I wouldn't say Jarmon was a "wasted" pick, because it does look like the kid can play, and he exceeded the team's expectations in terms of picking up the defense and getting on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

-Would the Minnesota Viking be interested in trading for Jason Campbell if Favre retires? What would the deal be - Sage Rosenfels and a 3rd rounder?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Why would they do that when they've got Jackson and Rosenfels who they've already invested in and already know the offense?

It's not like Campbell is leaps and bounds ahead of those guys in terms of talent and ability.

COnsidering the suckitude of our offense last year, I'm not sure that Childress would look at Campbell and say - "That's the guy I want running my verison of the WCO!"

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"The main difference I've seen is that Bradford is more accurate underneath and Clausen is superior deep."

But if you take either at #4, do you start him or sit him behind Campbell?

That's the magic question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If you take Bradford you sit him for a year behind Campbell, make sure the oline is rebuilt, he's healthy, and gets a year in the offense working from behind center before he plays. If you're going to take Clausen, you trade Campbell for a ham sandwich or whatever you can get for him, sign at least 2 tackles, draft a tackle in round 2, and a guard in round 4. Clausen starts day one. He's pro ready, Bradford supposedly has the higher upside, but Clausen has the experience behind center and is supposedly elite at reading defenses, he doesn't improve by sitting. That's just my opinion IF they go QB at #4.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"The main difference I've seen is that Bradford is more accurate underneath and Clausen is superior deep."

But if you take either at #4, do you start him or sit him behind Campbell?

That's the magic question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:04 PM
=====================================
You keep him far away from "punch da clock" listless dont-care-if-we-win but, trade me if you bring in another QB.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Now global warming is preventing us from getting a new thread

will this injustice ever cease?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 11, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

COnsidering the suckitude of our offense last year, I'm not sure that Childress would look at Campbell and say - "That's the guy I want running my verison of the WCO!"

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:10 PM |

True. But he may look at his old Eeg homie McN and say - "That's the guy I want running my verison of the WCO!"

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 11, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

COnsidering the suckitude of our offense last year, I'm not sure that Childress would look at Campbell and say - "That's the guy I want running my verison of the WCO!"

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:10 PM
==================================
agreed p1funk..
JC has the read/release speed of a Div 2 QB, why would Childress drop him into his hybrid WCO?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Now global warming is preventing us from getting a new thread

will this injustice ever cease?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 11, 2010 12:19 PM |

lol

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

JC has the read/release speed of a Div 2 QB, why would Childress drop him into his hybrid WCO?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:22 PM

After all, he already has his clone in Tarvaris.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

COnsidering the suckitude of our offense last year, I'm not sure that Childress would look at Campbell and say - "That's the guy I want running my verison of the WCO!"

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:10 PM
==================================
agreed p1funk..
JC has the read/release speed of a Div 2 QB, why would Childress drop him into his hybrid WCO?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:22 PM
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You all are probably right about the Vikes, but even though I am not a big fan of Campbell's, I believe he's better than Jackson. Rosenfels will be gone, they will be looking to offload him and if they can get something for him, there you go. Rosenfels is familiar with K. Shanahan's offense having played in Houston for a couple of years...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Now global warming is preventing us from getting a new thread

will this injustice ever cease?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 11, 2010 12:19 PM |

lol

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:27 PM
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Wait a minute. London Fletcher goes to the pro-bowl for the first time ever, and then the nation's capital is hit by two brutal snow storms. Conclusion? London Fletcher is responsible for global warming. Or is that cooling? Or is that weirding?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. London Fletcher goes to the pro-bowl for the first time ever, and then the nation's capital is hit by two brutal snow storms. Conclusion? London Fletcher is responsible for global warming. Or is that cooling? Or is that weirding?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:35 PM |

That seals it. London Fletcher is the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Now global warming is preventing us from getting a new thread

will this injustice ever cease?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 11, 2010 12:19 PM |

lol

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:27 PM |

That's not funny. That's not even amusing. It's thread fever. It's what happens when you have bloggers incarcerated in a thread too long. They post inane comments and others laugh like hyenas.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"You keep him far away from "punch da clock" listless dont-care-if-we-win but, trade me if you bring in another QB."



I'd start Clausen and sit Bradford.

The question then is, is JC then expendable if the #4 pick is given the starting job?

I'd have to say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Rosenfels will be gone, they will be looking to offload him and if they can get something for him, there you go. Rosenfels is familiar with K. Shanahan's offense having played in Houston for a couple of years...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse


I wouldn't mind having Rosenfels in camp. He's not only familiar with Shanny's offense, but he's been with the Skins organization before...not that it means much, but it's something.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The question then is, is JC then expendable if the #4 pick is given the starting job?

I'd have to say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


I'd say JC is expendable regardless of what we do with the #4 pick.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The question then is, is JC then expendable if the #4 pick is given the starting job?

I'd have to say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


I'd say JC is expendable regardless of what we do with the #4 pick.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:43 PM
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need to find a team that wants to get their Head Coach fired or retired.. JC is a "coach killah"..

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd say JC is expendable regardless of what we do with the #4 pick.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:43 PM |

Agree. Be surprised if Shanahan keeps the dud.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 11, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. London Fletcher goes to the pro-bowl for the first time ever, and then the nation's capital is hit by two brutal snow storms. Conclusion? London Fletcher is responsible for global warming. Or is that cooling? Or is that weirding?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:35 PM |

That seals it. London Fletcher is the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
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Someone should wrestle him down and see if he has the number of the beast tatooed on his head.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Rosenfels will be gone, they will be looking to offload him and if they can get something for him, there you go. Rosenfels is familiar with K. Shanahan's offense having played in Houston for a couple of years...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind having Rosenfels in camp. He's not only familiar with Shanny's offense, but he's been with the Skins organization before...not that it means much, but it's something.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:39 PM
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Yeah, I have heard his name come up as someone who knows the system. Another name was Rex Grossman. They wouldn't have to trade for Grossman since he's going to be an unrestricted free agent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

JC has the read/release speed of a Div 2 QB, why would Childress drop him into his hybrid WCO?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 11, 2010 12:22 PM

After all, he already has his clone in Tarvaris.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse
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Just like to remind everyone that T. Jackson went 10-6 the year prior to Farve.
Adding Percy Harvin to the mix and having Sidney Rice mature in one season can't be directly attributed to Favre, so why is it so difficult to imagine the team improving by two wins and beating America's choke artists with Jackson at the helm?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 11, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

... the government is closed.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 10, 2010 10:41 AM |

Four days straight now DC has had a no work day. They say it is costing the nation $$$. I thought my what a shame. Then I realized that with all the bloggers you get on RI during work hrs it really doesn't make any diff whether they are at their desks or not - no work is getting done either way. Heh, heh.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | February 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Rosenfels will be gone, they will be looking to offload him and if they can get something for him, there you go. Rosenfels is familiar with K. Shanahan's offense having played in Houston for a couple of years...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind having Rosenfels in camp. He's not only familiar with Shanny's offense, but he's been with the Skins organization before...not that it means much, but it's something.

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 12:39 PM
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Another QB who played for Pa Shanahan is Patrick Ramsey. Let's bring him in to. Add Gus Frerotte and let them fight it out.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 11, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. London Fletcher goes to the pro-bowl for the first time ever, and then the nation's capital is hit by two brutal snow storms. Conclusion? London Fletcher is responsible for global warming. Or is that cooling? Or is that weirding?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 12:35 PM |

That seals it. London Fletcher is the anti-christ.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2010 12:37 PM
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Someone should wrestle him down and see if he has the number of the beast tatooed on his head.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 11, 2010 1:02 PM

It's just that hell had to freeze over before London got the call.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 11, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The issue I have with Clausen at #4 is what I read yesterday. While Clausen reads defenses well, he still projects only as a top 10-15 QB when it comes to % of bad decision made. Couple that with his poor mechanics and lack of accuracy versus the blitz, and it seems to me that Clausen as a rookie starter will get manhandled against teams like Philly and Dallas. IMO none of the rookie QBs are day one ready. Which makes selecting one at #4 an indication a longer rebuild than what some on this blog would think.

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

2010 Restricted free agent tags
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal

Four years of experence

Original pick compensation: $1.176 million
Second round tender: $1.759 million
First round tender: $2.521 million
First and third tender: $3.168 million

Five years of NFL experience

Original pick compensation: $1.226 million
Second round tender: $1.809 million
First round tender: $2.621 million
First and third round tender: $3.268 million


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All the amateur GM's up here need to copy down these numbers from PFT. These are the tenders that teams need to make to RFAs in order to gain draft picks in compensation.

It seems clear what the Redskins will do with Jason Campbell and Carlos Rogers: Tender them at "original pick level". Both were first round picks so with this low-ball offer they will either be able to retain them for a year, get a first round pick or -- most likely -- negotiate lower draft picks, maybe third round.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

MrMoe:

OKUNG #4 and BLACK #37 I think unless a better lineman falls out of the first round.

ERIC OLSON in the fourth. We need three solid bodies for the next campaign.

There's FA I suppose for one of the three, but outside of DONALD PENN I'm not sure who, and he would cost us a high pick I'm sure.

Keep MIKE WILLIAMS, DOCKERY, EDWIN WILLIAMS.

Make RINEHART, JONES, HEYER, and RABACH back-ups.

Let SAMUELS retire before he's more permanently disabled than he already is, and let RANDY THOMAS go. With OLSON you can shyt-can MONTGOMERY, a good player but way small for the NFL.

Of course then you've burned all your top choices for o-linemen. We all know that is not going to happen.

That's why I'm advocating for a salary dump and trading down to get extra picks. If HAYNESWORTH and PORTIS could net three extra picks in this draft, let them go even if we eat part of their salaries.

Cut ARE, and sign CAMPBELL if he's willing. Go for a Q-back only if we get extra high picks.

If nobody wants CP or AH, then stick to o-line first, and Q-back, RB next year or later rounds this year.

I would love it IF MIKE SINGLETARY just had to have Big AL and we got to pick SPILLER #13 with their first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 11, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Giants cut Antonio Pierce. Redskins should never have let him go. Sign him now!!!! He will be a beast two games a year when he makes Midgets of the Giants.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if already posted:

Giants cut ties with Antonio Pierce

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 11, 2010 1:08 PM ET
The New York Giants' defensive housecleaning is picking up steam.

A month after defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan was let go, the team cut defensive captain Antonio Pierce Thursday, according to Mike Garafolo of the Newark Star-Ledger. Pierce informed the paper of the move by email.

The move will come as a surprise to Pierce. "With everything I gave New York the past five years, I feel I'll be here," he said in December.

But NFL teams don't pay on past performance and Pierce's salary ($4.75 million) was tough for the Giants to absorb considering his declining play and health questions. Pierce missed the final seven games of the 2009 season with a bulging disc in his neck.

Pierce's production declined after the team's Super Bowl run, but he still proved to be a fantastic free agent acquisition by Ernie Accorsi in 2005 from the Redskins. The team is expected to confirm Pierce's release shortly.

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

We actually have professionals in our organization now. IMO the only quotes you're going to get out of Redskins park is at press conferences after moves have been made or the standard "we're exploring all our options". The days of the Vinny lies and the media circus around potential moves like Cutler and Sanchez are probably over.....

Posted by: zjfr2

That was exactly my point zjfr2, thanks for noticing :)

Posted by: skinball77 | February 11, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Pierce should retire. Don't mess with bulging discs.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 11, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | February 11, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Giants cut Antonio Pierce. Redskins should never have let him go. Sign him now!!!! He will be a beast two games a year when he makes Midgets of the Giants.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 11, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse


First, the Skins didn't let him go. He was offered a contract at around the same numbers offered by the Gmen, but he chose to walk after feeling "disrespected" somehow.

Second, I have no interest in Antonio-Pierce-leftovers. An older middle linebacker with bulging discs is about as useful to this team as an overweight busted Olineman sleeping on Derrick Dockery's couch...

Posted by: p1funk | February 11, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"

The issue I have with Clausen at #4 is what I read yesterday. While Clausen reads defenses well, he still projects only as a top 10-15 QB when it comes to % of bad decision made. Couple that with his poor mechanics and lack of accuracy versus the blitz, and it seems to me that Clausen as a rookie starter will get manhandled against teams like Philly and Dallas. IMO none of the rookie QBs are day one ready. Which makes selecting one at #4 an indication a longer rebuild than what some on this blog would think.Posted by: TWIS"

Think about that for a second: when's the last time you saw a college QB who was 'day one ready' for a starting job in the NFL?

I'd say never. Certainly Stafford and Sanchez weren't. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't. Those QBs were heavily protected by their coaching staffs and still had to be carried through much of the season. Same thing would happen with any rook starter QB in Washington. Clausen far less so than many others...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

As long as the PED's he's gonna boost our players with won't be found for say... oh 10 years... Put it in all their lunches!

I don't know if you can associate your team with that guy. Dude just has some serious issues... Roids, rage, & spitting in people's faces... ugh!

Posted by: tony325 | February 11, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Roid raging jerk....as strength and conditioning coach....at once amusing and intriguing. I'd say no thanks tho

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Roid raging jerk....as strength and conditioning coach....at once amusing and intriguing. I'd say no thanks tho

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Post of the Day, IMO:

Let's not do that.

Posted by: min7th | February 9, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 12, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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