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Redskins Won't Sign Henry, Zorn Says

On his radio show on ESPN980, Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said the team would not sign Tennessee Titans running back Chris Henry, who worked out today at Redskins Park. Zorn declined to say who finished ahead in the four-way puntathon: Glenn Pakulak, Sam Paulescu, Waylon Prather and Ricky Schmitt.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 6, 2009; 12:47 PM ET
 
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Well, we certainly don't need six RB's anyways.

How about using the guys that we have?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

first!

Posted by: Neverender84 | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and uh...panties.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

awww man I always lurk on here and rarely post but man I for sure thought I had a first.

on topic, adding another RB would be retarded. That is, unless, we were to cut Mason or Rock but that was highly doubtful.

Posted by: Neverender84 | October 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How about using the guys that we have?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:56 PM

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Sounds like a plan.

Why did they even bring Henry in to begin with?

I smell a Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Nevender84 needs to lurk less and post more.

Let the comments soar, brother.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a scientologist, as is Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

chia, Henry was on the Titans, so thats more like a Sherm Smith move....I'm surprised that he didn't stick. Get rid of Rock/Aldridge, and roll with this cat...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

For all those saying are O-Line stinks and can't block I showed you the passing stuff.

We are run blocking OK as well, otherwise Portis would not be in the top 10 in rushing.

He's averging more yards a carry then Jacobs.

Rk Player Team Pos Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
1 Chris Johnson TEN RB 69 17.2 434 6.3 108.5 2 91T 14 20.3 5 2 1
2 Adrian Peterson MIN RB 84 21.0 412 4.9 103.0 5 64T 20 23.8 4 1 2
3 Ronnie Brown MIA RB 72 18.0 369 5.1 92.2 4 38 21 29.2 2 0 0
4 Cedric Benson CIN RB 84 21.0 367 4.4 91.8 2 23T 14 16.7 3 0 1
4 Steven Jackson STL RB 83 20.8 367 4.4 91.8 0 58 14 16.9 3 1 1
6 Fred Jackson BUF RB 70 17.5 333 4.8 83.2 0 43 12 17.1 2 1 1
7 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC RB 63 15.8 296 4.7 74.0 5 61T 16 25.4 3 1 0
8 Ray Rice BAL RB 49 12.2 295 6.0 73.8 1 50 10 20.4 2 1 0
9 Brandon Jacobs NYG RB 79 19.8 288 3.6 72.0 1 31 11 13.9 1 0 0
10 Clinton Portis WAS RB 72 18.0 281 3.9 70.2 0 34 11 15.3 1 0 0

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

After seeing Aaron Rogers compete at a high level last night under constant pressure. I thought we all wanted a refresher of what we gave up to get Jason Campbell ONE PICK after Rogers.


http://silverchips.mbhs.edu/story/5265

Remember, Aaron Rodgers went one pick ahead of Campbell. There's definitely a wider gap in talent between those two than one lousy pick.

I can't understand why Joe Gibbs would give up three lower picks for the 25th to get Campbell, a guy who probably could have fallen into the beginning of the second round. They blew up whatever was left of their draft to get Campbell. Either he's the best clipboard holder in the world, or the Redskins really messed up.

Posted by: isonic1 | October 6, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a scientologist, as is Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pe
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Is this actually true? If so I would really like to know.

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 umm he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's not good. And stop using stats to support your argument. Stats are for fantasy geeks. How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note, JC usually plays alot better the next game after a bad performance. I hate to take Cooley out of pass patterns, but they might have to keep him in to help Heyer and co. Cause I got the feeling the Panthers are going to be bringing pressure all game long.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

ga_

"...was a JC supporter for a while, but that's no longer the case. Especially watching how inaccurate his deep throws are. Can't blame that on the O line."


I was all about the "Redskin Offense Express" until I saw that the guy driving it wasn't any better than he was back when he was Brunell's back up.

And given the number of NFL ready quarterbacks coming out of college, I'd rather take my chances with Sam Bradford, Jake Locker, or ____________(submit name).

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Could it be the try out was to be a motivator for those already on the squad?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | October 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

nd given the number of NFL ready quarterbacks coming out of college, I'd rather take my chances with Sam Bradford, Jake Locker, or ____________(submit name).

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

How refreshing to see two QB's last night making quick on-the-spot decisions and zipping the ball into 2nd and 3rd receivers. If we only had..............oh well, never mind, back to reality.

Posted by: bones21 | October 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And given the number of NFL ready quarterbacks coming out of college, I'd rather take my chances with Sam Bradford, Jake Locker, or ____________(submit name).

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I posted this the other night, but just wanted to get ya'll opinion on this. What about trading a future 3rd rounder (maybe a 2nd, but not straight up) for Matt Leinart? Save the high 1st rounder on a LT. I think a change of scenery would be good for him and he was pretty good as a rookie. Thoughts?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

don't care what Snyder/Cerrato's religion of choice is.

Do care about what the game plan is to stop Peppers this coming week.

I think bringing in Henry is doing their due dilligence...he's a high 2nd round pick on a team that Sherm Smith was the RB coach.

As far as Peppers, do you run right at him, run away from him. This is going to be a very hard fought game, them cats is desperate for a win.....hopefully Delhomme is in a giving mood.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

While I cannot confirm that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato belong to the Church of Scientology, I have heard rumors to that effect, mostly emanating from a certain clay figurine.

It's a gut feeling, and it makes sense, based on his close business association and personal relationship with Tom Cruise.

Furthermore, in the Church of Scientology, one can quickly climb the leadership ranks through making large, ill advised cash investments, something Dan Snyder knows intimately well.

Plus, take one look at Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a scientologist, as is Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

No, its not true.. They are however two idiots who somehow made a lot of money in spite of their stupidity. So I can see where you would think that.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

While I cannot confirm that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato belong to the Church of Scientology, I have heard rumors to that effect, mostly emanating from a certain clay figurine.

It's a gut feeling, and it makes sense, based on his close business association and personal relationship with Tom Cruise.

Furthermore, in the Church of Scientology, one can quickly climb the leadership ranks through making large, ill advised cash investments, something Dan Snyder knows intimately well.

Plus, take one look at Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, I was thinking about the same thing: which college qb is going to be the No. 1 pick? Cindy Boren apparently thinks it's Tebow. Shows how little she knows. I think Locker is the hot prospect now, especially since he is producing at a high level in a pro system. And I'm not sold on either Bradford or McCoy. What about Clausen?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | October 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

JREID - Can you check w/ some sources about the availability of Alex Barron, RT for the Rams?

Rumblings he's not in the long term plans, might be benched.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, Tom Cruise definitely is a Scientologist, and he's got Dan Snyder's ear. Irritating either way.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 6, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

"...those saying are O-Line stinks and can't block I showed you the passing stuff. We are run blocking OK as well.."

Be careful, this is heresy in this blog.

If you watch a replay of the bucs' game, you'd see three runs where the old Portis would've broken off a long TD run.

The stats make you wonder what would happen if Betts or Mason were given 20-25 carries a game, especially Mason.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, if we can win with Theismann, Williams, and Rypien we can win with soupy. Give him a line and a good running game. He only makes a couple million a year so it's not out of the question. If we draft a superstar QB then we have to clear cap space.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

What about Clausen?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | October 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

He's becoming a clutch player. I like both Clausen a little more because he's more accurate with the ball.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow the college game enough to say draft any of them. But I do know we will probably want a vet-QB to be available on the roster as a starter in case the rookie is not ready. So thats your real issue with drafting a QB, that and if you spend a 1st rounder on a QB, your not gonna have a fixed line at all.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 umm he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's not good. And stop using stats to support your argument. Stats are for fantasy geeks. How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:13 PM |

Whatever they would be doing better in short yardage, if Zorn didn't telagraph every short yardage run.

Short yardage is on the play setup and the running back going hard and not falling down, it's not all on the O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is Jewish, Cerrato Catholic.

Posted by: Masonman | October 6, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Jacobs is averaging 3.6 thats not good either so does the giants O-line stink to?

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"If you watch a replay of the bucs' game, you'd see three runs where the old Portis would've broken off a long TD run"

Which to me makes it even more curious as to why they didn't keep henry, given he possess 4.4 speed, or use Aldridge more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"The stats make you wonder what would happen if Betts or Mason were given 20-25 carries a game, especially Mason."

I wouldn't mind seeing it, but Betts is averaging 1.9 YPC and Mason is averaging 2.6. Not exactly enthralling material.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"...Russell Okung..."


My god, do I have to live through last night's post-battle with Periculum?

Ahem, remember: choosing to draft a lineman with the 1st round pick means you're keeping Campbell after re-signing him to a low-ball, incentive-laden deal.

You can take a solid quarterback with the 1st pick, and draft linemen in rounds 2-3-4 (or--scout a free agent rt/lt and bring him in).

Am I the only one who sees things this way?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh buying the Rams? What a great story, I'm sure that he could blame all the Rams problems on Liberals.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If he is allowed to buy the team, that does it for me and the NO FUN LEAGUE. They have already reduced the game to a flag football level. I would not be surprised if Emperor Goodel, or whatever his name is, is just fine with a real drug dealer/bigot owning the team.

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Whatever they would be doing better in short yardage, if Zorn didn't telagraph every short yardage run.

Short yardage is on the play setup and the running back going hard and not falling down, it's not all on the O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse


We don't have a real 3rd down get the inches back is the real problem. We use Betts who is the same as CP and we need a big old hard to bring down type. If Rock wants to get on the field he would do nothing but drag 500 lbs of cinderblocks behind him to show that he can get 2 feet when it counts.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Which to me makes it even more curious as to why they didn't keep henry, given he possess 4.4 speed, or use Aldridge more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:31 PM |

It's the same reason they keep putting 82 on punt returns they are making a ton of money to do that job.

So they must be the only ones who can do it. God forbid you give someone else a shot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so I will buy the whole Chris Henry workout was a "favor workout" because he used to run for the offensive coordinator. That said, why did Mason not get more carries in the Tampa Bay game, and why has Betts become another receiver? And, why is Aldridge on the active roster if they don't plan on using him? Does Clinton Portis secretly coach this team or was he at some point adopted by Dan Snyder? He doesn't practice all week because he is so banged up but then he is healthy enough to hang 98 yards on TB? When the Redskins have established the lead they decide to keep Portis in there instead of using Mason or Betts? Hey, Portis is a good running back, but that's why they should rest him when they get the chances, and they shouldn't let him get away with this no practice game he plays. If the guy is truly beat up and cannot practice, he shouldn't be allowed to play. If you don't practice, you don't play. Sorry, but that is the philosophy of many coaches. After seeing this so many times last season you start to think the guy is just allergic to practice. Letting him get away with it just sends a bad message to the rest of the team. If I were an o-linemen putting in my reps all week with the second running back, sweat dripping off me, playing with dings, and then they plugged that faker in come game time, I wouldn't block for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Which to me makes it even more curious as to why they didn't keep henry, given he possess 4.4 speed, or use Aldridge more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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I think if we could ever manage to accumulate a comfortable (over 7) point lead and then be on offense, then we would see Aldridge. As it is, every possession is so precious and rare we can only afford to put the ball in our trusted veteran's hands.

At least that's how I think Zorn sees it. It's interesting that when it comes to play calling he's gutsy as hell, but he won't try using his young players.

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"..but Betts is averaging 1.9 YPC and Mason is averaging 2.6. Not exactly enthralling material."

You know like I do, backs need multiple carries to get a 'groove' going.

Yeah, they have low averages on 2-5 carries a game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This is a really good point. We have been so terrible on short yardage it seems for years now. I would think running behind Sellers would be money in the bank, but its not the case. Pretty sad.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

82 on punt returns

31 on ko returns

lather rinse repeat....its like every day is a brand new day, and yesterday never happened....insanity....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Jacobs is averaging 3.6 thats not good either so does the giants O-line stink to?

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse
How much is Bradshaw averaging though? Alot higher..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I thought the stories of Rush the pill popping raciest buying a team was dead in the water? That coming back up?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

You can take a solid quarterback with the 1st pick, and draft linemen in rounds 2-3-4 (or--scout a free agent rt/lt and bring him in).

Am I the only one who sees things this way?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM

Only if the 1 is Locker.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 6, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

How much is Bradshaw averaging though? Alot higher..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:37 PM |

True but we don't use a second back, so I'm going with the starting backs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

psps, how many carries does Mason have?

See there you go spouting off averages and such, but aren't looking at the entire picture.

WTF is Mason supposed to do when through 4 games dude has probably like six or less carries?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

There are a ton of top prospects at QB this year:

McCoy
Bradford
Tebow
Snead
Clausen
Locker
Tony Pike
Case Keenum
Dan LeFevour
Zac Robinson

I think this is the year we can and should got Otackle round 1 and then best QB on the board round 2 there are so many good ones why pay top money to a guy who is no more of a sure thing than a comparable talent you can get in round 2. Sanchez was extremely smart to come out last year....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Moe, we don't have a 3rd rounder. We spent it on JJ in the sup draft.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Bradshaw has 47 carries and has a 5.6 average, maybe another RB on are team could do the same thing if we ever gave them that many carries.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I say, we trade back from the first pick into either a late 1 and 2nd or 3rd and use our top picks all on guys who way over 300 lbs

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"It's the same reason they keep putting 82 on punt returns..."


Given ARE's alleged value in the slot, why not let D Thomas return punts, he seemingly has so little else to do?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Flound, Jacobs isn't a home-run, speed type back.

He can, and he has rushed for a good average before, but he isn't exactly built that way.

Besides, they have Bradshaw as the HR threat. Last year, Bradshaw and Ward saw carries more in the 2nd half of games, this year they're splitting carries as early as the 1st qtr.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

rsh, agreed, mason had an 8 yard run, then a 1 yard run then was shelved for the rest of the game....portis is hurt, but they give him the ball 25 times....its insanity, you can't call it anything but....it JZ is too scared/stupid to use Betts in anything but the receiver role, then he shouldn't be on the team.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

You can take a solid quarterback with the 1st pick, and draft linemen in rounds 2-3-4 (or--scout a free agent rt/lt and bring him in).

Am I the only one who sees things this way?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:33 PM

I like the plan if DC gets Locker

Posted by: Realness1 | October 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

WTF is Mason supposed to do when through 4 games dude has probably like six or less carries?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:39 PM |

JC has twice as many carries as any other back on the team with 16

Betts 8
Mason 5

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"You know like I do, backs need multiple carries to get a 'groove' going.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Depends on the back. Guys like Sproles, Washington, Bradshaw, or Norwood don't.

Unfortunately, we have 3 different starting running backs, and zero back-ups/rotational backs.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Flound, Jacobs isn't a home-run, speed type back.

He can, and he has rushed for a good average before, but he isn't exactly built that way.

Besides, they have Bradshaw as the HR threat. Last year, Bradshaw and Ward saw carries more in the 2nd half of games, this year they're splitting carries as early as the 1st qtr.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:42 PM |

Either is Portis he is a power back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse
Exactly. The O line has been the biggest problem for yrs now. Shore it up finally. Get a solid veteran in FA and a rookie in the 2nd. Or, get a backup with alot of potential like Jaguars did with Brunell. I'm just not sold on Bradford, Tebow, etc. And it's highly unlikely a great LT will be available in FA but you might find FA QB with plenty of ability that's just not getting a chance.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

- alex35332


I've been screaming for this for like 3 years now.

I WANT MAULERS!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Besides, they have Bradshaw as the HR threat. Last year, Bradshaw and Ward saw carries more in the 2nd half of games, this year they're splitting carries as early as the 1st qtr.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 1:42 PM |


What a concept splitting carries between backs maybe the Skins should try this sometime.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

we neeed an accomplished offensive coordinator to use our talent and reign in the zainy head coach

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I think you're suffering from coming into the season with low expectations for the OL. The OL has played better than expected, but league wide where would they rank. We have three running backs one is 3.9, 2.6, 1.9. That's not just the play calling, and running backs falling down.

Moe I understand what you're saying about OL talent late in round 1 - round 3. However, if the skins get a top 3 pick, I'd prefer they build the core of a dominate line first (offense, defense) then draft a QB later, or get a solid vet in FA. That strategy has been working in the NFL over the last several years (Ravens, Falcons, Jets, etc).

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

realness1

"Only if the 1 is Locker."

Agreed.

He's a seasoned 3 year starter.

He's an excellent athlete and plays like he isn't phased by the crowd, situation, or team he's facing.

He throws a nice ball all about the field.

He plays well under center or in the shotgun.

And unlike with Bradford, he runs a more 'pro-style' offense at Washington where he manages things without sideline coaching or handsignals.

If the 1st pick is Jake Locker, I'd say, "Take'em!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I love Portis but I am ready for him to share the carries 50/50. I really want to see what Alridge or Mason can do with 12-15 carries a game. I mean WTF do we have to lose? I check every week to see if Marko and Anthony are active and they never are.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I think you're suffering from coming into the season with low expectations for the OL. The OL has played better than expected, but league wide where would they rank. We have three running backs one is 3.9, 2.6, 1.9. That's not just the play calling, and running backs falling down.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 1:47 PM |

One is a power back who is the 10th leading rusher in the league.

the other has 8 carries

and the other has 5 carries

So give me a break you can't say that is on the O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

don't stop there either flound....apply that concept across the board....why isn't Jarmon more in the rotation at DE, why isn't Betts / Mason getting more carries, why isn't DT returning kicks, why isn't alexander getting snaps....it just boggles my mind.....why bother having these guys dress on game-day, just have them, show up in street clothes.....no need to dirty that uniform...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

From Sporting News:
Too often Campbell locked onto receivers and made questionable decisions and bad throws downfield. If the Redskins had played a better team, his gaffes would have resulted in a loss.

— John Keim

And I don't think Skins will be picking high enough to get Locker. Some say he has the potential to be a top 3 pick. I see the Skins picking around 6-10.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who still thinks Portis is anymore than a powerback give me some of what your drinking.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

there are literally 10 QBs projected as first day talents right now, to me it makes no sense to burn what will be a high round 1 to get either Bradford or McCoy when you can get guys that are just as talented who didn't have the fortune of wearing Texas or Oklahoma on the front of their jerseys. Especially when you consider that its been a long time since the Big 12 has produced a legit QB at the NFL level. My draft would be Russel Okung on Trent Williams in round 1 and Hiller, Pike, LeFevour, or Robinson in round 2. If Clausen or Snead fall great if not any of those guys. IF we get a shot a good QB via FA then I want a true speed RB round 2 and then grab a young QB in round 4. Rounds 6 and 7, G and T. then sign 37 undrafted guards, centers, and tackles for camp and preseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

lol, that was okung or williams, okung on williams would be a scary sight of massive manliness

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

ga8085

"I see the Skins picking around 6-10."

So who's our competition for a quarterback based on what we see now?:

da browns?

da raiders?

da panthers?

da fins? (no, Chad Henne is going to be a player)

And if Locker is taken in the top 3, that means draft a tackle or Bradford/McCoy, doesn't it?

How do we lose?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's everything you would want to know about Danny-Poo. Courtesy of www.nndp.com

Daniel Snyder
AKA Daniel M. Snyder

Born: 1965


Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Business
Party Affiliation: Republican

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Owner, Washington Redskins

Father: Gerry (journalist)
Sister: Michelle
Wife: Tanya (two daughters, one son)


University: University of Maryland College Park (dropped out)


RedZone Capital
Snyder Communications, Inc. Founder, Chairman, CEO (1988-2000)
Member of the Board of Dick Clark Productions (as Chairman, 2007-)
Member of the Board of inVentive Health, Inc. (as Chairman, 2001-06)
Member of the Board of McLeodUSA
Member of the Board of Johnny Rockets
Member of the Board of Six Flags (as Chairman, 2005-)
Friends of George Allen
McCain-Palin Victory 2008
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children Board of Directors


SPORTS FRANCHISE HISTORY
Washington Redskins Owner (1999-)


Posted by: RedskinJim1 | October 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis=Fred Taylor=LaDanien Tomlinson=Jamal Lewis=Larry Johnson=best days may have come and gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

trade jc, stack the o-line, and let colt have some fun

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

so what is going to be different about Portis at the end of this year from last year?? When does logic actually start to play a part in this team?

Why is it so against the rules to make any changes?? Is Rock that important that DT couldn't return kicks??

I'm at wits end with this team.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Colt is probably having a lot of fun right now on IR.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

** Work is slow today Post **

Everbody remembers the Big Mac jingle, right? "Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun."

Here's the Redskins version of a Big Mac:
"Two all beef patties"...but we'd like one medium rare, and for the other one sub in buffalo meat. And cook the buffalo medium.

"Special sauce"...but we'd like to sub ketchup in for the beef pattie, and A-1 for the buffalo pattie. And actually, we'd like to change the buffalo to well-done.

"Lettuce"...but we'd like to sub in romaine hearts, shredded instead of chopped, with a dash of mixed field greens.

"Cheese"...but we'd like crumbled feta on top of the beef pattie, and gorgonzola on the buffalo pattie. And now that we've thought about it some more, we'd actually like the buffalo pattie cooked medium well, and the beef pattie rare.

"Pickles"...but we'd like them cut length-wise instead of in cicles. And only dill pickles will do.

"Onions"...but we'd like them to be a mix of red onions and sweet onions. Saute the red in imported extra virgin olive oil, and cook up the sweet ones in lard.

"Sesame seed bun"...but we'd like it to be whole wheat. And instead of sesame, we want flaxseed. Toast the top bun once, the middle bun twice, but don't toast the bottom bun at all. Oh, and let's do the beef pattie medium-well.

** End work is slow today Post **

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

One is a power back who is the 10th leading rusher in the league.

the other has 8 carries

and the other has 5 carries

So give me a break you can't say that is on the O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 1:49 PM

If the line is good at run blocking, I don't see what the amount of carries has to do with anything. The line should be getting enough push that the backs a meeting the NFL average which is usually around 4 yards. Unless it's your position that all the skins running backs have performed at a sub par level. Which in turn would weaken your position of a top ten running back on the team, I would think. I agree the OL has been better than anticipated but they, like the rest of the offense have not been very god.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Stats are for fantasy geeks. How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?
Posted by: TWISI |"

It's important to be able to run successfully on first and 10, too.

This sounds like a cry in the wilderness from somebody who struggled in math...


Posted by: Samson151 | October 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Panthers are going QB Delhomme is on his way out. I still don't see the Raiders taking another QB high when they just took Russel. The Rams, Seahawks, potentially Titans but I doubt it since they still seem to want to give Young a shot, Bills, Broncos, and Jaguars are all potential QB pickers. So that's on 5 perhaps 6 teams that would even be thinking QB that high and I doubt all go that route. This year there is plenty of supply for us to get a great QB prospect in round 2.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

And if Locker is taken in the top 3, that means draft a tackle or Bradford/McCoy, doesn't it?

How do we lose?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I see your point, but if its between Locker/Mccoy/Bradford and a OT, as tough as a decision that it could be, I'd go for OT.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

i think the ir is killin colt, he's a gamer--give him a chance next year

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm typoing away.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

We need the best tackle we can get. I would not be happy with a second round tackle simply because we aren't just looking for a right tackle. We need to start developing a left tackle for when Chris Samuels leaves.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

And if Locker is taken in the top 3, that means draft a tackle or Bradford/McCoy, doesn't it?

How do we lose?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I see your point, but if its between Locker/Mccoy/Bradford and a OT, as tough as a decision that it could be, I'd go for OT.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The basic problem with this team is
1. You need a plan.
2. You need to explain your plan to the fans/coaches/players so everyone is on the same page.
3. You need to have the staff (players/coaches) in place to execute said plan.

Right now we had a plan that totaled 6 words from Vinny. "I want to go West Coast"

So far we have seen 1 and 2 done however poorly, and 3 has seen nothing done.

So if we blow it up next year. I am cool with it but they need to do the 1-2-3 thing, not the lets just get more big names and see what works plan.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

zfr2: "there are literally 10 QBs projected as first day talents right now, to me it makes no sense to burn what will be a high round 1 to get either Bradford or McCoy when you can get guys that are just as talented who didn't have the fortune of wearing Texas or Oklahoma on the front of their jerseys"

I'd go with Clausen.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 6, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Stats are for fantasy geeks. How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?
Posted by: TWISI |"

It's important to be able to run successfully on first and 10, too.

This sounds like a cry in the wilderness from somebody who struggled in math...


Posted by: Samson151 | October 6, 2009 2:04 PM

My line was sarcasm, but you make a good point. How have the skins done on first down runs Flounder?

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, you funny.

but right as usual

Posted by: rgj21 | October 6, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Give the o-line excuse a rest. Good QBs can play even when the o-line is suspect. Last night, I saw a guy under duress throughout the game and get sacked 8x but he still performed. Rodgers has been sacked 20x already but he's managed to complete 60% of his passes, throw 6TDs against 1 pick and have a QB rating over 100. What's Campbell's excuse exactly?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

About Daniel Snyder:

"Sexual orientation: Straight"


I consider myself a 'straight' man, too.

I mean, when she's done and asks how good it was, I usually say, "Girl, that was straight."

(INSERT rimshot sudio and complaints that this is a family blog from posters who stop skimming pornsites at work long enough to comment.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh indeed Flound, Portis is nothing more than a power back at this point in career.

Portis had a friggin' gut now. Power back, indeed.

I said a few days ago that Portis and Tomlinson are walking up the "stairway to RB heaven".

IMO, Larry Johnson = Shaun Alexander

Johnson had a really short run with the elite RBs. Once he clipped that 400 carry mark, his career has gone the way of Shaun Alexander, with not even half of the success Alexander enjoyed.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Skins always find themselves in 3rd and whatever. I know you have to convert on 3rd to move the ball, but you become predictable. The run, run, pass, punt thing is getting old. We need to pick up more yards on 1st and 2nd to avoid always being in 3rd and whatever. Seems like the Skins live and die on 3rd down.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Give the o-line excuse a rest. Good QBs can play even when the o-line is suspect. Last night, I saw a guy under duress throughout the game and get sacked 8x but he still performed. Rodgers has been sacked 20x already but he's managed to complete 60% of his passes, throw 6TDs against 1 pick and have a QB rating over 100. What's Campbell's excuse exactly?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't start that up again, I've fought this fight all day, what is painfully obvious to you me and every other football fan is not to some people on here....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Last night, I saw a guy under duress throughout the game and get sacked 8x but he still performed."

Yea, last night was a prime example of why teams shouldn't focus on the offensive line. Great victory by Green Bay.

Where are your garbage time stats excuses?

Where's the criticism for Rodgers holding the ball too long, allowing a safety and a forced fumble (would have been two, if not for the overturned call which led to the safety)?

Where's the criticism for locking onto a receiver, not being able to read a defense, and throwing a pick?

I smell hyyypoccccrissssy....

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Give the o-line excuse a rest. Good QBs can play even when the o-line is suspect. Last night, I saw a guy under duress throughout the game and get sacked 8x but he still performed. Rodgers has been sacked 20x already but he's managed to complete 60% of his passes, throw 6TDs against 1 pick and have a QB rating over 100. What's Campbell's excuse exactly?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:15 PM

How did we get back to Campbell? We were talking about the running game. Some of you all have a one track mind when it comes to this team. I get that most of you hate JC, I'm not going to argue that point for awhile. However, there are more issues I'd like to get input into regarding this team.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Waylon Prather: He has averaged 0 yards on 0 punts in his career. In fact, he has no NFL experience.

By Rick Maese | October 6, 2009; 9:39 AM ET

Cindy, something's rotten in Denmark.

Credentials check! This guy claims to have attended Duke University, but he looks like a Tar Heel from this post. If you've had zero punts, your average yardage isn't zero, it's undefined.

You can't even get into Duke if you make this mistake, although you could get a Ph. D. from UNC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Aye yo Moe, when the lady is asking you how good it was, chances are it probably wasn't that good.

Leg spasming, jitters/chills, soothing moaning, and the always pleasing but funny "no, no... don't touch me" are keys that you just put in some work.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me for saying this, I love CP and he has basically been our offense for the last 5 seasons but he isn't even a power back at this point. He is a washed up back and that is all. He doesn't hit the hole with speed, power, or vision, he can't make people miss and how many 4th downs and short yardage pickups has he failed on already through 4 games? I'm sorry he's either a lot more hurt than they are saying or he's done, either way no coach in his right mind would have 5 running backs on his roster and give CP 25 carries in a game in the state that he is in at this point. The best than can be said about CP is he'll get what's there and he won't fumble, but forgive me for believing a power back should be able to punch it in from the 2 or pick up a yard against the worst defenses in the league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

is that sweet draft pick Durant Brooks doing anything these days?

He was pretty good!!!!!!!!

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | October 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

CP has never been a power back. Ever. He's a smart runner with excellent vision that hits holes very well. When there are no holes, he looks awful, especially at this point in his career.

Enter his current form.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

psps, when Campbell sees the Viking's defense later this season and stinks the joint up, I'll be dying to read your excuse for that.

And that's if he'll last that long as the starter.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If we take all our stats on and average them out for the remaining season, here is what we are looking at:


JCamp= 3800 yds 20 TD 20 INT 32 Sacks 340 rushing yards, and 28/8 fumb/lost

Portis= 284 carries for 1100 yds, 0 TD's, 16 rec for 100 yds.

Betts= 52 yards on 32 carries 36 rec 448 yds


Cooley = 88 rec for 1012 yds 8 TD's

Moss= 68 rec for 1172 yards. 8 TD's

El= 52 rec for 632 yds

Kelly= 24 rec for 260 yds

(no one else really worth even a note on the stat sheets)

on D.

LFB on target for 200 tackles.

La Ron, Doughty RMac, Horton all just short of 100 tackles.
Team on pace for 28 sacks and 8 ints on the season.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Portis needs to split carries with Mason or Alridge 50/50 so they each get 12-15. Then we may see some longer runs and the passing lanes would open up. 1+1=2.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Nah Red, I gave no excuses for Campbell this week. I even admitted that I would have pulled him at halftime.

I'm simply holding others to the same standard that they're holding Campbell to. Unfortunately, several of you fail to see that.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

He's a power back at this point.

So the categories for RB are as follows:

Power Back
Speed Back

Smart Back?

If you're not a power back nor a speed back, then you're a 'no nothing' back. You just take the ball and run ahead.

Like Betts and Cartwright.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't start that up again, I've fought this fight all day, what is painfully obvious to you me and every other football fan is not to some people on here....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The same thing could be said about you guys. You completely ignore the fact that our defense is better because we have more money to spend because we don't have to pay our QB 14 million dollars a year. The NFL isn't fantasy football. You don't just get to have the best player at each position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

psps, when Campbell sees the Viking's defense later this season and stinks the joint up, I'll be dying to read your excuse for that.

And that's if he'll last that long as the starter.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse


Hey Red -- I'm not sure if that was meant to be sarcastic, but I don't think we play the Vikings this year...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me for saying this, I love CP and he has basically been our offense for the last 5 seasons but he isn't even a power back at this point. He is a washed up back and that is all. He doesn't hit the hole with speed, power, or vision, he can't make people miss and how many 4th downs and short yardage pickups has he failed on already through 4 games? I'm sorry he's either a lot more hurt than they are saying or he's done, either way no coach in his right mind would have 5 running backs on his roster and give CP 25 carries in a game in the state that he is in at this point. The best than can be said about CP is he'll get what's there and he won't fumble, but forgive me for believing a power back should be able to punch it in from the 2 or pick up a yard against the worst defenses in the league.

Posted by: zjfr2


LOL... my 'no nothing' back theory in detail.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red -- I'm not sure if that was meant to be sarcastic, but I don't think we play the Vikings this year...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

WE WILL PLAY THE VIKINGS IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP -so thinks Danny Snyder

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"You just take the ball and run ahead."

Exactly. This is how Thomas Jones makes/made a living. It's how Willis McGahee makes a living.

Brandon Jacobs is a power back. Marion Barber is a power back. LeRon McClain is a power back.

Clinton Portis is not a power back.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

psps, when Campbell sees the Viking's defense later this season and stinks the joint up, I'll be dying to read your excuse for that.

And that's if he'll last that long as the starter.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

We don't play the Vikings so I don't see this happening....thank gawd.

I will say this though, throw out the Chiefs and Raiders, they don't count even though it wouldn't happen in those games either, and I'd be willing to bet any amount of money you want that JC never gets to 380 yards in a game this season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I smell hyyypoccccrissssy....

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:23 PM

C'mon son. Get outta here with that.
Rodgers is a better QB than JC. You can't be arguing otherwise.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Tru, tru no Vikes on the schedule this year.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

TE, did a UNC professor or student take your girlfriend or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If we get a new Head Coach in the off season I hope he or she cleans house. We need to get rid of some dead weight.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

PSP,

Portis does not hit holes hard and his vision is terrible, why else does he run into the back of his blockers and fall over his own feet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Dead weight on the team, or Dead weight in RI?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The 'skins don't have to play the Vikes, but they do have to play the Saints. I might have to hear my homegirl all afternoon at the game about how "Reggie is so..." and how the "deadskins suck".

Speaking of BUSTS...

Yo, psps, what's up with Reggie Bush?

He's a friggin' modern day Rockafella (sp) they way he "changed the game", huh?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Rodgers is a better QB than JC.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Yea, he is. He didn't play like it, though.

You want to give credit to Rodgers over Campbell, do it on a day when he deserves it. Not for leading his team to 7 offensive points going into the 4th quarter, piling up stats in the 4th quarter of a 30-14 game, making the indefensible mistakes of holding the ball too long against a hefty pass rush and locking onto a receiver when the defender clearly read the route, and ultimately losing the game. And especially not when you lambasted Campbell just a week ago for the exact same things.

But whatever, to each his own.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why stud quarterback and not a tackle?

Simple: I want a star.

Tackles are nice guys, but the NFL has always been about stud quarterbacks: we skins' fans haven't had one in so long, we aren't aware of it.

I want what the j-e-t-s fans felt that first game where Sanchez kicked butt.

I want a guy like Matt Ryan who is endorsing products and winning on the field.

I want to say to my homies as I watch redskins' games with them, "Yeah, but wait until my man gets the ball," and my man comes on the field and wins the game.

I watched Chad Henne give it to the Bills Sunday and thought, "They get Parcells, Ronnie Brown, and Henne?"

"Sheesh."

You can keep your tackles and whatnot.

Give me a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I posted this the other night, but just wanted to get ya'll opinion on this. What about trading a future 3rd rounder (maybe a 2nd, but not straight up) for Matt Leinart? Save the high 1st rounder on a LT. I think a change of scenery would be good for him and he was pretty good as a rookie. Thoughts?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 1:21 PM

He looked decent in the preseason and I recall the commentators saying he had finally buckled down and focused on football instead of the party-boy life, so maybe. Although I wonder whether the Cards would trade him considering Warner's age.

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Red, Bush has most definitely turned into a bust. More so because of his injury situation than his actual talent when he was healthy, but a bust nonetheless.

Percy Harvin will be what Bush would have become had he stayed healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Dead weight on the team, or Dead weight in RI?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The team smart a$$

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You can keep your tackles and whatnot.

Give me a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Is this Daniel Snyder?

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Give me a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

After reading this post, I have now confirmed MistaMoe is actually the little devil standing on Dan Snyder shoulder, and not in fact Moe from the three stooges.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Portis does not hit holes hard and his vision is terrible, why else does he run into the back of his blockers and fall over his own feet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This was CPs story games 1-3

In my opinion he looked a lot better against TB. I know they are a bad d, but they were loading up to stop him and it looked like he was running harder.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

You want to give credit to Rodgers over Campbell, do it on a day when he deserves it. Not for leading his team to 7 offensive points going into the 4th quarter, piling up stats in the 4th quarter of a 30-14 game, making the indefensible mistakes of holding the ball too long against a hefty pass rush and locking onto a receiver when the defender clearly read the route, and ultimately losing the game. And especially not when you lambasted Campbell just a week ago for the exact same things.

But whatever, to each his own.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM

In Rodger's defense, he did have a guard playing left tackle and according to Schlereth the Pack's right tackle is the worst starting RT he's seen in years. Kind of tough to be an effective passer when your o-line is in shambles. Whoa deja vu where have I heard that before?

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

no thanks on that third for Leinart......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

You can keep your tackles and whatnot.

Give me a star.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Is this Daniel Snyder?

Posted by: mattylight

--------------------

He has invaded the blog. Even the most anti-Snyder Skins palace on the net can't escape the Snyder marketing fever.

Even when you hate him, he still convinces you.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Jason Cambell is on his way to the second string of some other team. Why do you all think the Redskins couldn't trade him for anything more than a third round draft pick? Could 31 NFL GM's all be wrong, but the Campbell defenders on RI all be right? Campbell defenders, get a grip. The Broncos wanted Kyle Orton more than Campbell and it seems like their record is better than the Redskins record. They must have known something. It's laughable that this coach has to complement his QB on getting himself out of the hole he put the team in in the first place! Three interceptions and a fumble! Geesh. Next you'll be saying that whole Ryan Leaf thing was just his offensive line not looking out for him!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

But whatever, to each his own.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:47 PM

You do realize Rodgers was going against the Vikings and JC was going against the Lions from the Wizard of Oz? But to each his own.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The same thing could be said about you guys. You completely ignore the fact that our defense is better because we have more money to spend because we don't have to pay our QB 14 million dollars a year. The NFL isn't fantasy football. You don't just get to have the best player at each position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

the whole conversation was about how Aaron Rodgers looked pretty courageous and JC looks terrible, then someone tried to compare JC 340 2 TD against Detroit to Rodgers 380 2 TD against Minny.

And for the record

JC 2009 Salary = $2,272,220
Rodgers 2009 Salary = $1,738,740

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

No to trading any picks for anything but more picks.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

CP needs to stop tripping over his O line and falling down before he gets the first down. That last rush before we punted and gave them the ball back was pathetic. He had it then just fell 2 inches short.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is a star after 4 games? Chad Henne, you have got to be kidding me. And you think Jake Locker is going to be a star? Come on Moe. Locker is a great athlete but he is hardly accurate. Do you think it is a coincidence that the Falcons and Jets have spent big money and/or high draft picks on their o lines? I would stick with the JC plan but if we go QB next year I say Snead. Out of all the qbs mentioned he has done the most with the least, and if he comes here that is what he would have do.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 6, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Clausen is going to be that dude. Just you wait and see.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

On his radio show, Jim Zorn declined to say who finished atop the puntathon...

Posted by: CindyBoren |

Based on their punting averages going in, I’d guess the first guy to boom one 38 yards was offered a contract.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"You do realize Rodgers was going against the Vikings and JC was going against the Lions from the Wizard of Oz? But to each his own.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Right, and when he did something similar against the Giants, it was because he was actually playing the Little Giants from Disney World.

We get it. JC does it because he's not good enough to do it earlier in the game. Rodgers does it because his mistakes earlier in the game don't matter, and his failed comeback attempts are heroic in nature.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell would be starting for any other team in the NFL, because that coach would know how to use them.

Posted by: FLOUNDER

I think your Pollyannaism is reaching delusional levels. I happened to watch the game. Kelly was NEVER open. Once TB covered him with two cheerleaders and a Mascot and he was still blanketed. Thomas may get open,but only after he’s run the wrong route. You can’t put Davis in at TE without risking getting your QB (or RB) killed. Did you see his egregious whiff? He made Geisinger look like the second coming of Russ Grimm.

You are always ordering posters to back their outlandish claims with facts. I’m calling you out. Find me ONE coach who says the three 2nd round bums would be starting for their team. And your kid’s Pop Warner league doesn’t count.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

RE: Next year's draft - I really never paid much attention to college fubball until moving down here; after all when UM is the major university in the area, football is kind of second priority, at least somewhat.

Anyway, I've watched all of the U of Texas games the past two years. Colt McCoy is not the most prototypical passing QB ever, but the guy is a leader and gets the job done in the clutch, every time. You can talk about skill sets all you want, but leadership and poise are the skills that JC defintely and obviously lacks, and that the Redskins need.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell keeps up his 3900 yard, 20 TD, 65% completion pace, the Redskins will win 10+ games and we will be safely in the playoffs.

Bank on it.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

beefed up line + legit offensive coord. + colt = 10-6 next year

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell keeps up his 3900 yard, 20 TD, 65% completion pace, the Redskins will win 10+ games and we will be safely in the playoffs.

Bank on it.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What reality do you live in dude?

Todd Collins anyone?

Posted by: BMACattack | October 6, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but not the Colt you're thinking of

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone in their right mind watch last night's game, and think that Campbell is even in the same neighborhood as Aaron Rogers? Sure, Rogers made some mistakes, but he made many throws that Campbell only dreams about.

Getting back to next year's QB dilemma, I see the following teams definitely finishing with a worse record than the skins: Rams, Tampa, and Cleveland. The following teams may end up with a worse record: Bills, Miami, Carolina, Detroit, and Seattle. Of those teams, I think only the Rams, Carolina and Seattle will be thinking QB in the draft. Hopefully, if they go QB, Vinny won't be involved and Dannyboy will be told who the skins will be taking.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | October 6, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ps, there is obviously no convincing you but against the Giants they dropped into prevent and rushed only 3 guys because it was inside of two minutes and we were out of timeouts. Rodgers made his first drive with 5 minutes and two timeouts left, after a failed onside the got the ball back (cause they still had those pesky timeouts good teams hold on to in tough road games they are trailing in) and drove again for the FG, then they failed on the onside but Minny was blitzing the entire game and bringing pressure the whole time.....very very different circumstances, but keep banging away at the they were the same performance drum. Are you secretly Jason Campbell?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I hope everyone who rips Vinny saw this line...

Cameron Wake, the pass-rusher who led the CFL in sacks over the past couple of years, had a three-sack afternoon against Buffalo.

What a great pickup, Vinny. D'OH !!

Wasnt this dude available to ANYONE willing to pony up the bucks?

Posted by: original_mark | October 6, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

You are always ordering posters to back their outlandish claims with facts. I’m calling you out. Find me ONE coach who says the three 2nd round bums would be starting for their team. And your kid’s Pop Warner league doesn’t count.


Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM |

If you had read a later post of mine instead of coming in 9 hours late you would know I backed off the starter statement.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

lh1, I think Clausen is going to be very good in the league.

I'd take him over Bradford and Locker.

psps, you know I gotta jab you about Bush from time to time. But yeah, dude could have been good if he would've learned to rely on skills and smarts instead of trying to juke, stutter, and spin in the NFL.

Maybe the injury will teach him that.

I remember telling one of my homies who was a big Bush fan when he was at USC that in the NFL he would not be facing a PAC-10 defense week in week out.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

JC 2009 Salary = $2,272,220
Rodgers 2009 Salary = $1,738,740

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

salary != cap number

JC total 2009 cap hit = 3.8 million
AR total 2009 cap hit = 13.7 million

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

31 teams passed on that guy, so give it a rest....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

psp, my original point, documented above, was that for the season Rodgers has been under considerably more pressure than JC and has managed to put up numbers against better competition. I used last night as but one example. You chose to make last night the end all and be all. So let's agree that they each have one game where their stats are padeded. Again, Rodgers has been sacked 20x already but he's managed to complete 60% of his passes, throw 6TDs against 1 pick and have a QB rating over 100. GB has played against an undefeated team, a team that should be undefeated but for a fluke play, a 3-1 team and the Rams. The Skins have played three of the worst teams in football. What's Campbell's excuse exactly?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

JC total 2009 cap hit = 3.8 million
AR total 2009 cap hit = 13.7 million

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Funny and yet the Packers have the second most salary cap space of any team in the league.......

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

and while yes we do have a better defense we've had a good defense for years, what has that gotten us?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"the Little Giants from Disney World."

HA!

Spike: Is Spike mistaken, aren't you... a girl?

Icebox: Gee, good eye.

Spike: Spike don't play with girls

Coach: She's pretty good, Spike.

Spike: Spike don't care, didn't you hear?


One of my favorite movies when I was a youngin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

and while yes we do have a better defense we've had a good defense for years, what has that gotten us?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The same record as the Packers this year and a better record last year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Learned hand,

Chicago and Cincy are worse against the pass than St. Louis, Detroit, and the bucs. But I guess the stats are lying on that one too.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 6, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, I'm so tired of trying to point out his failings to the people who don't get it.....Bean, take up the mantle, tell people why JC should be benched in favor of anybody who might look at another receiver besides moss or cooley.....im out for now, worn out...

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has the arm but is not put into the right situations to be successful.

He needs to be trained to get rid of the ball quicker. Our O-line is not good enough to protect him allow the ball to be thrown downfield (which is why we drafted him).

We need a qb that is accurate on short passes, gets rid of the ball quickly, has the ability to read blitzes, identify hot routes and throw the ball away before the rush gets to him.

Skins must face the fact that with the current protection of our QB, we are going to be forced into Mark "dink-and-dunk" Brunell pass offense the rest of the season.

I dont see JC17 having the aptitude to pick up this concept, he just hasnt seen enough football to understand it yet.

If we lose 2 out of the next 3, I imagine we give Todd Collins a shot at running the offense for a week or so.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | October 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Stop it with the salary bs. Only reason we are tight against the cap every year is because we are constantly carrying dead weight from idiotic signings. Your outlook is one of a corporation that is trying to cut expenses and still get by. Rodgers cap # is higher because he plays well and actually got rewarded by his team with a new deal. JC is a lame duck QB who is still making stupid plays mixed in with a few good ones.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Learnedhand...

Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that the Redskins are among the worst teams in football... Such a depressing thought. I had actually thought we'd be OK this year after our preseason against the Pats and the Steelers...

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Clausen is going to be that dude. Just you wait and see.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 2:58 PM

Have you watched any Notre Dame games this year? Their duds. Starting with with the Coach and Clausen.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

We need to draft OL not a QB. If JC17 is gone next year, we can pick up a FA QB with some NFL EXP. Leinart, Croyle, Anderson, Quinn, Rosenfels, sh*t even Greise or that young Sims kid would be fine in my book.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

King...

Stopped to think that maybe the reason those teams are worse against the pass is because Rodgers made them look silly and the reason the teams playing us are better against the pass is that JC doesn't (with the exception of the Lions)????

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

caro, agreed, thats what has me most pissed off as well, third pre-season game, the team was standing toe to toe with the Pats.....only to revert back to 2008 all over again once the games meant something....sigh.....oh well I guess...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

and while yes we do have a better defense we've had a good defense for years, what has that gotten us?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind why the Packers have that much cap room. They have a lot of guys coming up on new contracts next year. They have almost 20 million and that seems like a lot but when you consider that they have to resign Chad Clifton, Aaron Kampman, Ryan Pickett, Brandon Chillar, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Nick Collins, Johnny Jolly, Atari Bigby, Will Blackmon and John Kuhn 20 million suddenly doesn't seem like much. Some of those guys will have to be let go.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Give me a star."--Is this Daniel Snyder?


Are you mocking me?

Do this if you think I got jokes: make a list of the top teams in the NFL and you'll notice something--

They all have a guy playing quarterback who makes plays when he has to.

We don't and haven't had a guy who could for years.

That's why we've spent all day admiring Aaron Rodgers when he isn't even in the top class of the league's quarterbacks--yet.

Theisman was shielded by a great running attack.

Doug Williams' light was as temporary as a three year old's attention span.

Ryp's day in the sun was just that: short and brief.

Pat Ramsey was drafted for a head coach--Spurrier-- who wanted a check without the work it took to win.

We've lived through Rosenfels, Matthews, Banks, and now Campbell: no wonder we doubt the power of a charismatic quarterback.

We say we need a offensive line when the stillers had a mediocre one, but won the super bowl--they just had Big Ben making plays.

What we need is a guy who makes throws all over the field and inspires confidence.

And if that's Dan Snyder's desire, well, he's right and I want it, too.

Yes I said that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Have you watched any Notre Dame games this year? Their duds. Starting with with the Coach and Clausen.

Posted by: 4thFloor


Said the Michigan Wolverine fan.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

You know, for Doug Williams - Career stats -

49% completion percentage
100 Touchdown passes
93 interceptions
4 % TD passes (4 TDs per 100 attempts)
6.8 Yards per completion

Not much better if at all then most of JC's work.

He was a light that shined briefly, but who's to say that Campbell's light won't go on for a year or two?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"We say we need a offensive line when the stillers had a mediocre one, but won the super bowl--they just had Big Ben making plays."

Yup, the Steelers won the Super Bowl solely because of Big Ben. Nothing to do with their defense or coaching...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Leinart, Croyle, Anderson, Quinn, Rosenfels, sh*t even Greise or that young Sims kid..."

All of these dudes are some suck-ass bama QBs.

No thanks on each and every one of them.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Have you watched any Notre Dame games this year? Their duds. Starting with with the Coach and Clausen.

Posted by: 4thFloor

Notre Dame might be overrated, but Clausen ain't...dude is putting up sick numbers. Guess we'll see for sure against USC in a few weeks...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Mistamoe -

I agree that Rypien and Williams were not particularly great QBs. They were two guys who could throw the deep ball and each had a great year or two.

You need to back off of Theismann. He was a great quarterback. Great. Period. He should be in the HOF and would be if we hadn't come out flat in that SuperBowl against the Raiders. He made plays and built leads and then the Riggo drill killed the clock.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 6, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

4th, c'mon son. Get the skj outta here with that son. Of course I've watched them play. I know you love the Wolverines and all but Clausen is among the best QBs in college football. If they had a defense they would be NC contenders.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 6, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

We say we need a offensive line when the stillers had a mediocre one, but won the super bowl--they just had Big Ben making plays.

What we need is a guy who makes throws all over the field and inspires confidence.

And if that's Dan Snyder's desire, well, he's right and I want it, too.

Yes I said that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben was 9/21 threw for 123 yards 0 TDs and 2 picks in his first super bowl.
Randle El had more TD passes than Big Ben.

In the second super bowl Ben threw for 250 yards 1 TD and 1 pick.

You're totaly right dude JC could never match those lofty numbers.

The best thing about that super bowl was that the best QB lost. Warner threw for 377 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT. Hasselbeck outplayed him in his first super bowl and lost.

You picked the worst example possible to prove your point.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

williams and rypien both had 1 thing, they could throw deep with touch.

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

He was a light that shined briefly, but who's to say that Campbell's light won't go on for a year or two?

jd, how much longer do you give the guy? I mean, 5 years into his career, and here we are...I'm not piling on, but come on..

of those qb's I'd make a run at either Quinn, or Anderson, but for nothing more than minimum money....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis Papers Straight!

Posted by: rlomax67 | October 6, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok I lied, I left, went ESPN to do some light fantasy reading and run across this, obviously while it does relate to fantasy football it doesn't mean it totally doesn't apply to him:

While it was hard not to be impressed with Favre's performance Monday, just days before his 40th birthday, Rodgers delivered a career-best 384 passing yards and two touchdown passes. He accomplished this despite dealing with a furious Minnesota Vikings pass rush, one that sacked him eight times, forced a safety and had him pressured and on the run all night. Maybe Rodgers hung on to the ball too long at times, but that's OK because one interception against him is better than three or four. Everyone's talking about Favre on Tuesday, and hey, good for him in getting his "revenge" or whatever, but I think it's sliding beneath the radar just how good Rodgers is.

The Green Bay Packers have some obvious problems, pretty much the same ones that contributed to their poor 6-10 record in Rodgers' debut season a year ago. Not only shouldn't you blame Rodgers for them, but also realize the team's problems make him that much better.

He's all alone: In some ways Rodgers was really on his own in 2008 as well. Ryan Grant was a useful running back between the 20s, but he registered a mere four touchdowns. I think he'll get his 1,100 yards and five or six scores this season, but he's not a real difference-maker, someone whom opposing defenses are scared of. I think the Colts, Saints and Chargers will have more productive running attacks, even if they use combinations to get there. The Colts and Saints also have stronger defenses, which means fewer shootouts. Yes, the Saints. They're playing very well defensively. As for the Packers, the offensive line is hardly a strength, but wide receivers Greg Jennings and Donald Driver certainly are. The Packers were an obvious passing team in 2008, finishing eighth in the league in passing. Only four teams scored more points. Rodgers threw 28 touchdown passes and ran for four others. He started a bit slowly in the passing yards department this season, but the total has increased each week. He's going to be busy because of the way this offense is designed.

The schedule: I don't want to say the worst is over because the Packers have faced the Rams and Bengals, while the Bears and Vikings are also on the schedule for later. But Rodgers & Co. still get the Lions twice. Brees threw six of his nine touchdown passes against that crew. The Packers also get the Browns, Buccaneers and Cowboys and finish up at Arizona, among other strong matchups. Peyton Manning might have the AFC South sewn up around Thanksgiving. I don't see him playing much in Week 17.
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funny how the Bucs get identified as an easy match up.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

mattylight, as much as they show Roethlisberger avoiding sacks and moving around in the pocket, you can not tell me that the dude isn't a beast.

True the Steelers coaching and defense, especially that D, is a big reason why they are in contention every year it seems.

Roethlisberger makes it happen with pocket presence.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

All of these dudes are some suck-ass bama QBs.

No thanks on each and every one of them.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Bet you they would put up better numbers than Campbell. They would be all nervous and lock on 1 guy. Given a better line they would thrive. Bet Bet Bet Bet!

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm not comparing Rodgers to Campbell. I'm challenging others to criticize other QBs to consistent lengths with which they are criticizing Campbell. That has not occurred, including with your original post above.

Before the season even started, I listed Aaron Rodgers as the dark horse for the league MVP. It's documented on this blog. I think Rodgers is an excellent QB, top 5 in overall talent.

The underlying argument regarding this entire ordeal has to deal with putting the proper pieces in place BEFORE you get a QB. Aaron Rodgers, who I believe is a top 5 QB, who is playing excellent football, who is putting stats on the board, who can't be doing much more than asked for from a QB, is...guess what? 2-2.

The same record as Campbell.

Green Bay beat a 3-1 Chicago team. In that game, Rodgers had 184 yards and 1 TD. His defense picked off Jay Cutler 4 times that game. Did Rodgers win that game?

They also crushed STL, thanks to Rodgers' 3 total TDs as well as his defenses 3 takeaways.

Against Cincinnati, his offense scored 14 total points.

Against Minnesota, his offense scored 17 total points, ten of which came late in the 4th quarter when the team was down 30-14.

Both of those losses looked closer thanks to defensive TDs by Green Bay.

Rodgers' offense has had ONE truly good game this season (using the 'cancel out garbage time stats' axiom).

A good, or even great QB does not make a team.

Rodgers is 2-2.
Campbell is 2-2.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell has the arm but is not put into the right situations to be successful.......He needs to be trained to get rid of the ball quicker."........

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | October 6, 2009 3:19 PM

Don't think you can train that. Pocket awareness comes from feel and instinct, two characteristics Campbell lacks. You either got it or you don't.

Posted by: bones21 | October 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Nah Red, I gave no excuses for Campbell this week. I even admitted that I would have pulled him at halftime.

I'm simply holding others to the same standard that they're holding Campbell to. Unfortunately, several of you fail to see that.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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psps,

I see it, and I've supported Campbell for all this time...but I do think it is important to note that if we feel we need to surround him with excellent everything in order for him to be successful, then maybe he is a part of the problem.

A very good QB will improve his team mates, more so than any other position, IMO. I hope Campbell improves, but I don't see others getting better because of HIM, and he's the leader on the offense.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Leinart, Croyle, Anderson, Quinn, Rosenfels, sh*t even Greise or that young Sims kid..."

All of these dudes are some suck-ass bama QBs.

No thanks on each and every one of them.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse


All these sorry ass bama Qb's would be better than Campbell, every last one of them. Campbell = Poop.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

mattylight, as much as they show Roethlisberger avoiding sacks and moving around in the pocket, you can not tell me that the dude isn't a beast.

Roethlisberger makes it happen with pocket presence.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah Red, no doubt, not knocking Big Ben -- dude made it happen in spite of his offensive line. I'm just thinking that's an extreme rarity in the league, plus the Steelers had a sick D that def helped them win some games last year...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg, no, I get you and to me, he looks more uncomfortable then almost any QB that I've ever seen - but maybe, just maybe, the pieces start to come together is all I'm saying.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"and while yes we do have a better defense we've had a good defense for years, what has that gotten us?

Posted by: zjfr2"

A better record for JC than AR has for Green Bay.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else have a bad feeling about the game this weekend? The Panthers are coming off a bye and are reportedly looking at this game against the Skins as a new start to their season.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 6, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: skinswest | October 6, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

jd, stop, just stop with this....we're the same offense that Brunell was running back in 2006....we stink offensively...its not up for debate.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell keeps up his 3900 yard, 20 TD, 65% completion pace, the Redskins will win 10+ games and we will be safely in the playoffs.

Bank on it.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What reality do you live in dude?

Todd Collins anyone?

Posted by: BMACattack | October 6, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I said "IF"

Posted by: Barno1 | October 6, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

A very good QB will improve his team mates, more so than any other position, IMO. I hope Campbell improves, but I don't see others getting better because of HIM, and he's the leader on the offense.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

A good point. If you look at the Colts you can see their up and coming receivers doing very well, and I'm sure a lot of that has to do with Peyton. Same goes for the other Manning and his new targets.

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm, It's no secret what I think about the dude Campbell.

But I think Todd Collins is just as good as those QBs you listed.

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It's been such a long day.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm simply holding others to the same standard that they're holding Campbell to. Unfortunately, several of you fail to see that.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Ps for the last time no your are not trying to hold others to the same standard. You are elevating JC's situation because you are a Redskins fan and apparently a JC fan. Inside of two minutes with no timeouts against a 3 man rush against the Giants is not the same as two long drives with timeouts starting with almost 6 minutes on the clock against a defense that never let up once the whole game. A late junk TD against the freaking Lions is not the same. 2 late TDs against a putrid Bucs team is not the same. hanging 9 points on the only mutual opponent we've played when they scored 36 on them is not the same. And don't act like scoring 24 on Cincy this year is nothing, Cincy's D is for real, they beat the reigning Super Bowl Champs, its the most points they've given up, and Cincy is 3 and 1 and a crazy week one fluke play from being undefeated.

They destroyed the only common opponent they've played, they beat a Bears team that just hung 48 points on the Lions who we lost to, Cincy is not last years Cincy, and most people look at Minny as a Superbowl contender. All this while JC has struggled against the dregs of the NFL.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"One is a power back who is the 10th leading rusher in the league.

So give me a break you can't say that is on the O-Line."


portis may have been a "power back" at one point. seems to be running to the edges so far this season.

he is a distant tenth in terms of total yards (with average of 70 per game - not very impressive). no td's, one rush more than 20 yards. He's not ranked within the top 50 in yards per carry. that would be fine except for his insane contract, which had to be extended to avoid a cap hit (with a huge second signing bonus pro-rated over even more years).


and the team overall is ranked 21st (bottom third) with 100 yards rushing per game, so that is a better indication of the O-line.

the right side of the line is falling apart (after 4 games). And against tampa, on the left chris samuels was having obvious problems as well.

good thing we drafted a pass-rushing DE in the first round so we could drop him back in coverage twenty yards downfield. (i do like orakpo as a rusher though)

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 6, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 umm he's averaging 3.9 per carry. That's not good. And stop using stats to support your argument. Stats are for fantasy geeks. How are they doing on 3rd and 4th and 1 when people know they are running?

Posted by: TWISI

I'm with you Flounder, hey twisi at least he's using stats which are facts. what is the basis for your opinion, just opinion.

How is he on 3rd and 4th? you ask. well those are stats genius.

anyone who is blaming Portis really really really doesn't get it at all, got it?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

no upgrades on the O-line is old news.

why are so many commenters STILL complaining about it?

at some point, like 4 weeks ago, you have to "strap it on and play".

too many people complain when we win, complain when we go 10-6, complain, complain, complain.

last I heard this is football, not "the view". you all sound like a bunch of girls

lame lame lame lame

support your team or go home

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

washington should use more of the running backs they have on the team..this team itself should have the beginnings of a "furious pass rush" if they let orapko play DE ONLY, play jarmon more and activate r. jackson DE from the practice squad and drop w. wynn and let daniels move to the inside as a back-up tackle.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

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