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Redskins wrap up a winless NFC East season

For the first time since 1994 and just the second time since the NFL-AFL merger, the Washington Redskins went winless in the NFC East as they fell at home to the rival Dallas Cowboys 17-0 on Sunday night.

The Redskins struggled mightily on offense, failing to move the ball on the Cowboys or put together a drive that even hinted at ending in points, and the Cowboys did just enough to get the victory - using an early turnover and a big catch and run to get into the end zone twice.

The offense managed to surpass the 200 total yard mark only on the final drive of the game when the outcome was no longer in doubt and the Cowboys were playing prevent defense as the Redskins dink and dunked it down the field. They finished with just 43 yards rushing and 218 total yards.

Washington opened the fourth quarter down 14 but with the ball on their own 49-yard line and with a little momentum. Two incompletions, however, kept the drive from ever crossing midfield and an intentional grounding call on the second pass play pushed them back and forced a punt.

Dallas took over on the 28-yard line and immediately marched down field, with short passes to tight ends and running backs eating up most of the yardage. A defensive holding call kept the drive alive on a third-and-6 play that was short, and a 15-yard gain to Miles Austin moved the Cowboys inside the red zone.

Washington again buckled down on third and 1 to hold the Cowboys out of the end zone, and former Redskins Shaun Suisham was true from 23 yards out to expand the lead to 17-0.

The Redskins took over and completed four consecutive passes on their next drive but could not get beyond their own 40-yard line as two consecutive passes fell incomplete and they punted again with 5:55 remaining in the game.

Dallas then punted back to Washington after forcing the Redskins to use all three of their timeouts, and Washington ran its two-minute offense but again failed to score any points and were shutout at home for the first time since a 27-0 loss to Dallas on Dec. 14, 2003. It was just the third shut out at home since 1993.

By Paul Tenorio  |  December 27, 2009; 11:29 PM ET
 
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Comments

Yes, but we got rid of The-Rat-O

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 27, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: WRBD | December 27, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Blache get the axe tomorrow.

Buges acting hc for last game.

Then the whole lot goes, until whomever takes over (and I'm not convinced it's Shanahan) to pick their own crop.

Not a Snyder fan, but he did do the right thing recently, and the right thing would be to end this mercifully for Zorn. Blache, however, really deserves it - given how vaunted he was (is?) as a dc.

For the sake of the team, time to end this.

And re; the comments Gibbs made: did you expect an endorsement of Zorn? Remember, his guy wasn't picked for the top job. I'd certainly welcome him coming back, but think at this point Carolina might be a better option for him (if the reasoning he gave for leaving the Skins was really true). Kind of amazing that he defended Cerrato.

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 27, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Get Zorn & Campbell the hell out of town! What the hell are we keepoing them around for? To lay an egg against our biggest rival? Let an interim call some plays and let Colt have a go of it. It could not possibly be any worse.

Posted by: jwt22 | December 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Get Zorn & Campbell the hell out of town! What the hell are we keeping them around for? To lay an egg against our biggest rival? Let an interim call some plays and let Colt have a go of it. It could not possibly be any worse.

Posted by: jwt22 | December 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note, this season ended the VC connection to the Skins, so this season was not all lost.

Silver lining right?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Redskins can't score a TD against Dallas this year!

Posted by: AxelDC | December 27, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day when the Caps were the talk of the town instead of the Redskins.

Our defensive scheme sucked rocks tonight. Of course, so did everything else about this game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | December 27, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

how can anyone judge Campbell with this o-line? this is really a college-caliber offensive line. EVERY SINGLE DOWN there is a guy in Jason's face within 2 seconds. it's effing ridiculous.

Posted by: kman2 | December 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Colt is on IR just like everyone else.

Putrid offense. Embarrassing shut-out at home. Nadir in the Zorn era. Please god let the season be over soon.

Posted by: swowra | December 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

The more Bruce Allen sees, the more I suspect he thinks its time to blow it up.

These last 2 games were about as bad as I have even seen the Skins play.

We even cut the smartest player on our team ... suisham. Think about it, if you're suisham and you know missing that FG vs the Saints gets you out of DC and a gig in playoff bound dallas, you miss it on purpose.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I never said it was easy, in fact it is fuccing difficult to find that QB.

A usual indicator is his winning percentage. A QB will begin to win more playoff games as he gains more experience. If he can win in the regular season early, he'll usually have a successful career and at least 1 Superbowl appearance.

Let's draft some O-linemen. Find a steal Rb in the 5-7 round of the draft. Keep Jason Campbell in the same system for 3 years and watch consistency for awhile.

--Look folks, I know I seem a bit 'black and white' all the time, but just b/c I claim it takes consistent QB play to win in this league, doesn't mean I think that it can't be achieved without constant change...
--

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Can we hurry up and throw Zorn off this team? Campbell Koolaide drinkers should wake up and realize he is not the QB we need. This guy continues to make rookie mistakes and continues to throw one yard dumps and can't read the D. I believe Collinsworth pointed it out on a simple read that Jason didn't recognize. This Politically Correct Coaching staff leaving Jason out there that was not productive so he could "Audition for a contract" needs to have their hand examined! This was one of the most embarrassing losses to Dallas, and as a Diehard Redskin fan living in Dallas, I want to thank the idiotic Coaching staff;Blache,Gray for playing the secondary 15 yards off the receivers...I could have gotten a JV team that could cover better. Landry gets the All Pro TOAST award, for continuing to be burned down the field! Rogers,Smoot, Hall, Landry, Campbell all need to be on the same bus with Zorn.

Posted by: wcdun1 | December 27, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Man,

*Sigh*

I'm so blown right now.

Losing sux!

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was 24-39. Wow what a great comp %, right at his season avg.

Cowboys 7-12 on 3rd down vs. 4-14
390 yards vs 218.

Zorn just said the team was 4-13????

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

don't matter about Campbell now or anyone; let the fire sale begin. Zorn will be fired in 8 days.

Posted by: isometruman11 | December 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Alan Greenspan is sitting behind Dan Snyder in the box!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 27, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Two "maestros" enjoying the "big game."

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

JC is not the answer. He's had his shot now and been consistently mediocre even with much better O lines.

Blow the whole thing up.

Posted by: swowra | December 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I would've been satisfied with a 4-12 record, provided 3 of the 4 wins came at home against NFC East rivals, and that the remaining win came against one of these same teams in their stadium.

Oh well!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, it is hard to respect this Redskin team. The loss against the Giants was embarrassing and knowing that the season is over, this Redskin team made NO EFFORT to do something different - no real trick plays on offense, no pressure defense - nothing that would show some inspiration and longing to break out of a funk.

I see no use in hoping any of these pathetic Redskin uniform wearers return next year. This team is infected with mediocrity and acceptance of average as the standard. There would be more management backbone shown by getting rid of the worthless, overpaid veterans and taking a salary cap hit in 2010 and playing with scrubs. Take the hit now and then allow us to rebuild. Next year is going to be pure misery anyway.

Go Colts! I can't stomach the Iggles and the Cowpies being in the playoffs.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just said "I can't fault the team for the try hard".

He has 7 days left...

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

will it be ironic that this season ends against a Norv team potentially heading to the Super Bowl?

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Zorn will end up in Cleveland with Holmgren. I'm sure the Browns will then do really well next year knowing our luck.

Posted by: swowra | December 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Awesome game!

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | December 27, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Alan Greenspan and Sam Donaldson both were in the box.

and what the heck was Snyder laughing about?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

This is a bad team. Take your draft picks for letting JC go, get a first rounder for Cooley (yes that hurts) trade down the highest 1st rounder and draft like 84 O-linemen in the first 2 rounds. Time to blow up this team.

Posted by: scoot21 | December 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's version of quick release before he's sacked is like watching the glaciers melt..Hope is a genetically modified Whale tree that sprouts whale-Gandhis to spread peace and love over the planet..Great to watch and lip-read Snyder standing in the Fed-Ex shadows saying to Bruce Allen, "We're Hated"...yes, you are, a**hole..

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I would trade Laron Landry for a 7th round pick and a bag of balls, and while your at it take our corners and the rest of the secondary who play 30 yards off the line of scrimmage......

Posted by: lurgee5177 | December 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

24% of JC's completions are behind the line of scrimmage.

wow

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

will it be ironic that this season ends against a Norv team potentially heading to the Super Bowl?

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

That would be one word for it, yes.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | December 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about any of this crap. It all gets blown up in a week and we start the rebuilding process. At least the pain has already started. Booo, this sucks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about any of this crap. It all gets blown up in a week and we start the rebuilding process. At least the pain has already started. Booo, this sucks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 27, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

mercifully there is only one game left in this miserable season. . .

the last decade was a wasted one with few good memories. . .

we can only hope that the next chapter turns out better for skins nation then the previous ones. . .

can't wait to start talking about the draft. . .

where will the skins pick with only 4 wins?

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 27, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

What comment did Joe make about coming back?

Posted by: jyshim | December 27, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

(and another silver lining.. maybe the end of the JC apologists).

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 27, 2009 10:09 PM


Amen.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 27, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Campbell Koolaide drinkers; Campbell stinks and you can make all the excuses in the world, but even when Campbell was out in the open and had time to throw, he still over threw the receivers by a mile. This guy had numerous opportunity to hit receivers to throw it Waaaaaaaaaaaaay over their heads. He continues to take 15 yard sacks and Collinsworth continued to call out his rookie type mistakes.
I watched Matt Schuab for Houston today and he had two maybe three seconds to throw the ball and he was hitting receivers and running backs for touchdowns on crossing and down the field passing as he was being hit.

Time to stop making excuses for Jason who still wears a rookie wrist band to know the plays...pathetic to be in the league/starting for five seasons and second year in this system and you are still wearing a wrist band...why is Brett Favre not wearing one at the Vikings????

Carlos Rogers needs to go up to the podium and admit he is impersonating a NFL corner back...I saw him all night standing around and watching/waiting for the receiver run by him before he even start his back pedal and being burned just about every play his way.
What's with Landry with 99 percent of his tackles were shoulder tackles???? This guy can't cover and can't tackle...he has been smoked by Whitten on several double moves.
Time to give the secondary, Campbell and Zorn/Zorn's entire staff walking papers MR. Allen!

Posted by: wcdun1 | December 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Are people really shocked at this. With a QB coach running a team, did people really expect Zorn to show any football IQ. His greatest acomplishment was teaching campbell how to doge balls and run, I mean ruin the 2 min drill. Hopefully a dodgeball team somewhere has a head coaching vacancy.

Posted by: bindeda | December 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I still cannot get over implication that Snyder ordered Haynesworth into the starting lineup -- that move is soooo George Steinbrenner.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

It was funny when Blache had the safeties line up 'deep' when Dallas was on the 6 yard line. When Reed told Blache they could not line up 30 yards deep because that would put them in row #12 Blache told him to get out of his face.....

Posted by: scoot21 | December 28, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I would trade Laron Landry for a 7th round pick and a bag of balls, and while your at it take our corners and the rest of the secondary who play 30 yards off the line of scrimmage......

Posted by: lurgee5177 | December 27, 2009 11:55 PM |

You couldn't even get a ham sandwich for that waste Landry and the cushion is Blaches fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, does Dan Snyder have any clue at all?

Public Relations does not mean stand up and laugh it out with the new GM at the final home game when your team is getting SHUT OUT by the Cowboy at the end of an embarrassing losing season.

Nooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I used to think Dan Snyder wanted to win, but didn't know how.

Certainly didn't look that way tonight.

Not at all.

Classless punk and ego maniac all rolled into one.

pfffft...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Alan Greenspan and Sam Donaldson both were in the box.

and what the heck was Snyder laughing about?

Posted by: Chia_Pet


Hysteric!! They were shrouded in shadows, like everything that Danny does, it was subliminal madness intimidation, like "F*** with me and we'll cut your funding, cuz we is 'The Bank'" The whitest cotton Brooks Brothers can bleach ain't gonna make Danny clean, yep...All the empty seats, and the Skins are back to expansion team level, who cares anymore...

Posted by: frak | December 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"Keep Jason Campbell........

Posted by: Vicc | December 27, 2009 11:48 PM

You have totally lost it dude.

Posted by: bones21 | December 28, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins cost me a fantasy football championship by failing to score any points. Talk about adding insult to injury. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: notindc1 | December 28, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

51 starts (more than 3 seasons worth). 35 % wins for DC w/ soup at the helm. Enough. The excuses around the losses change by the week; the QB hasn't.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 28, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, does Dan Snyder have any clue at all?

Public Relations does not mean stand up and laugh it out with the new GM at the final home game when your team is getting SHUT OUT by the Cowboy at the end of an embarrassing losing season.

Nooooooooooooo!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

The more I read the more I worry that Allen was brought in as court jester.

Someone just posted that Allen would "decide" to "blow up" this team....I don't think it's going to be Allen's decision to make...now if someone could point me to solid evidence that this won't be the case, I might feel a little less hopeless about the deadskins

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Once Again!!Where are all the Jason Campbell Fans? Josh Freeman looked better than Jason Today,,Standing in the pocket like a Stiff!!!!!!Good Bye Jason!!

Posted by: davidgrodriguez1 | December 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

This is my first time posting but i have followed these posts by our fans and these articles. I finally had to say something. I have been a big supporter of campbell for a while and thought he never really had a chance to prove what he was worth because of what was around him but after watching this display he was really disappointing. Even in the 4th when we were down 17 the check downs were still the only thing he was throwing. Its pathetic. You have to take chances at some point and if you cant take a chance in a game that doesn't mean anything you aren't going to take a chance when it matters. I think he will be good just not here as usual washington ruined a quarterback before he got started. As for releasing our whole secondary is just illogical. We have a D-coordinater that sets the defense up and they just follow it. Kick his old behind the curb tail off the sidelines and get somebody in here that will use our players right. Landry should not be covering anybody, ESPECIALLY Witten. He should be blitzing and playing the run. Thats what i got for now. Feel free to let me know what you think.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

This was almost certainly the last time we'll ever see Joe Bugel at Fedex Field.

Farewell, Joe, and thanks for your years of service to the Burgundy-and-Gold.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | December 28, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Soup is a coach killer. Shameful and disappointing. DC deserves better.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 28, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

This was almost certainly the last time we'll ever see Joe Bugel at Fedex Field.

Farewell, Joe, and thanks for your years of service to the Burgundy-and-Gold.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | December 28, 2009 12:13 AM

It's sad but true. He was given a pile of shat and did the best he could. Quite possibly the worst OL in Redskins history.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Were any of your players laughing out the loss, Dan Snyder?

Gawd, the man has not one redeeming quality.

Snyder's Redskins, sooooooooo sad.

:-(

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

"Hey, I'm a turd."

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Funny how Zorn refused to play Devin Thomas and now is talking about how much he missed him this week.

Even funnier how he said the team is 4-13. He's a billy goat and I can't wait until he, Blache, and the rest of this staff is shown the door next week.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"Hi, I have a lot of money."

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Also, there were a lot of people that didn't like what haynesworth did this week. My feeling is that he is completely correct and if anyone was listening to what he was saying they would realize that he was on the money and as good as he is(all be it he isn't on the field a whole lot) he is only about 75% as effective as he could be if he was used correctly.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted at 7:58 PM ET, 12/27/2009
Gibbs says he wasn't consulted about change

Former Redskins coach and team president Joe Gibbs said Sunday night that he was not consulted about the decision to remove former executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and replace him with general manager Bruce Allen, adding that he did not foresee a role for him with the franchise in the future.

Gibbs said before Sunday night's game against the Dallas Cowboys at FedEx Field that he regularly talks to owner Daniel M. Snyder, but not about substantive issues about the team.

"For me, personally, I haven't talked to Dan about major decisions or anything," Gibbs said. "So for me, when I talk to him, it's kind of a friend. We talked. So for me, I just know that he has a burning passion for the team and he's going to try to do what's right, and so for all of us, the rest of us as Redskins fans, we hope all the decisions and everything he's going to make -- whatever they may be, I'm not aware of them -- I think we all hope that they're going to turn out best for the Redskins."

Gibbs, who retired following the 2007 season to complete his second tenure as the team's coach, spoke in the press box to remember legendary Washington sportscaster George Michael, who died last week of cancer. Gibbs spoke warmly of his conversations with Michael, saying, "Every time I talked to him, he would encourage me. ... He just had great courage through the whole thing."

how can this guy defend Cerrato, I ask?

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 28, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

"Hello, I hate trees."

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

there's no 1 player or coach that is the reason for any of this, the rot and stink starts from the very top and there it shall remain.

Ludicrous to think Blatche is somehow the problem, or that any number of other qb's would have fared much better than JC over the past seasons.

Organization is pathetic to the very core, completely dysfunctional pile of shi* that reflects its ownership first and foremost.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

"Hi, I want to be butt-f@cked"

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 28, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

75% as effective as he could be if he was used correctly.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:22 AM

---------

Two pieces of advice for Albert Haynesworth

1. Improve your physical conditioning.
2. Put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:22 AM

You should make a habit of posting. This by your count would be your 2nd.

You're correct again. He's wrong for going to the media but what he's saying is what a lot of people have been saying all season.

Today's sacks w/ Haynie: 1 for a 1 yd loss.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Start from scratch.

There really isn't much more to say...

New O line (LT C G RT)
Thomas and Samuels retire
Wave Heyer, Robinson, M Williams, W Montgomery.
See if Rabach will stay as veteran BU for the minimum.
Cut Portis, Rock, Betts, Mason & Cave Man
New RB's and FB. Need one with game breaking speed.
Tender JC the offer that gets us a 1st and 3rd and pray he leaves.
Wave Collins. Look for reliable veteran BU
Let Colt compete with him. If he doesn't win - bye.
Cut ARE, sign ONE veteran FA WR
Moss to the slot

Cut Wynn, Daniels, Griffen
Retain Rocky Mac at a reasonable price
Look for future MLB
Move Orakpo to DE in passing D
Landry moves to strong safety
Trade Carlos for a ham sandwich (tender him a mid level offer...)
Thank Smoot for the career, or try him at safety.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Two pieces of advice for Albert Haynesworth

1. Improve your physical conditioning.
2. Put your money where your mouth is.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:27 AM |

I will not argue that he needs to be in better shape but no matter how much work he puts in anyone who takes as many double and triple teams as him are going to get tired and need more breaks. But when that guy is in the game he is dominant and he helps his teammates as much as he can but the defensive scheme doesn't.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"Hi, I'm a Scientologist."

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"Hi, I'm Dan Snyder and me and my buddy Vinny love to get in a 69 with each other........Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 28, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Any team who wants to make the playoffs, play the Redskins. Guaranteed you'll make a wild card spot. Does the Redskins have any Q/B besides Campbell who can play the last game of this disappointing season? Cheerio Skins fans!!!

Posted by: eetab4 | December 28, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

"as good as he is(all be it he isn't on the field a whole lot) he is only about 75% as effective as he could be if he was used correctly."

the secondary is crap. Any scheme heavy on blitzing is doomed to fail for us because we dont have ANY quality cover guys. Haybnesworth is full of bs. He's just mad because Blatche tells him to eff off.

If Fat Al wants to help the team, priority #1 should be getting in good enough shape to play every down he's asked too. Height of jackassery to call out the schemes and coaches when you cant catch your breath after running 20 yards

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2009 12:28 AM

I agree with almost everything.

I'd keep Heyer, Robinson, & Montgomery and let them compete for a backup spot. If they are counting on any of these OL to start next season, then hello 5-11.

Also it's time for smoot to "cruise" on out of here

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Albert is an above average DT.

He's pretty darn good.

but...

The onus is on him to be a better leader.

Heck, no situation is perfect. Screw Blache and all, agreed on that, but come on man!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I think putting another dominant DT next to Haynesworth would be a REALLY SMART move...

Griffen is a shell of his old self, and Golston is good, but not a beast. Maybe Montgomery can be that guy if he grows up a little...

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

one more game with Campbell as QB, and then we can close th ebook on him.. one can only hope that some team is willing to believe they can rehabilitate him inthe right system, and will give us a second round pick for him..

that is going to be the mark of excellence by Shanahan/Allen-- what they can convert Campbell into that brings the Redskins additional draft picks.

he has ZERO feel for the pro position and refuses to throw the ball more than 5-7 yards downfield at any time.. an embarrassment..

Posted by: shally | December 28, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

the secondary is crap. Any scheme heavy on blitzing is doomed to fail for us because we dont have ANY quality cover guys. Haybnesworth is full of bs. He's just mad because Blatche tells him to eff off.

If Fat Al wants to help the team, priority #1 should be getting in good enough shape to play every down he's asked too. Height of jackassery to call out the schemes and coaches when you cant catch your breath after running 20 yards


Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:35 AM |

I just need to ask a question for all the haynesworth haters out there. When you say haynesworth needs to be in better shape what do you mean? do you mean lose weight(which in all likelihood would make him weaker, hinse less effective). And when is haynesworth running free for 20 yards to be asked to catch his breath. He is a relentless rusher and takes double and triple teams everyday and taking more of a pounding on his body than most players. What people are expecting of him are not realistic. Look if he is playing bad by all means bash the guy but don't constantly bash on him for what i think is being mad at the front office for paying him that ridiculous contract and him accepting it cause there isn't a person here that would decline that contract.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

People - stop living in the past here !! Who cares about Joe Gibbs (see JB 2.0) or the fact that Bruce Allen is George Allen's son. Gawd I swear some of you on here would rather have Gibbs run this team to a 7-9 record for 20 straight years than stepping out into the future (or at least the present) and do something new and fresh. Living in the past will not win anything. The only time your heartrate should be going up is if you read "O-line" and "draft" in the same sentence.

Posted by: scoot21 | December 28, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato still has Snyder's ear.

The man is still on the payroll for crying out loud.

Bruce Allen?

Please man, come on! Last I checked he and Gruden got kicked out of Tampa Bay.

Window dressing is all. A pretty face with name cache, nothing more.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Edvar-

I'd rather put a NFL caliber OL together. DL operates on a rotation while a OL typically plays all of the snaps.

Games are won in the trenches and we have had the worst OL/DL in the NFL in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I love the posts about how the Skins D is a "mirage."

For 5 of the past 6 seasons the defense has been playoff caliber at the very least, with a few championship caliber squads thrown in.

The offense has SUCKED DOG BALLS the entire time to the the tune of 3rd worst in the nfl since 2000.

A middle of the pack offense would have put this team in the postseason annualy, let's not forget that when jumping all over Blatche for running the same defense GWill did in his last year

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Chia_pet i agree with you that the onus is on him to be a leader. I just don't see him as one. Every time we talk about haynesworth it is his contract. And people expect him to be something he is not because of it. The only way we could come close to getting what he is worth is letting him create havok not by making him fill a gap he isn't that kind of player. But back to the point i don't think he is a leader

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

"Hello. I'm handsome."

by Bruce Allen

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

A middle of the pack offense would have put this team in the postseason annualy, let's not forget that when jumping all over Blatche for running the same defense GWill did in his last year

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:43 AM

Not the same D, not even close. Blache's scheme...never mind, it's polar opposite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

CGriff in gibbs first year back was a far superior dlineman to Fat Al this year.

Haybesworth is a good player and I dont fault him for a nanosecond in signing that huge deal, but the guy aint all that and does worse than takes plays off- he fricking collapses like he had a heart attack and gives the opponents O a free time out. Then gets carted to the locker room for some ice cream only to return miraculously later in the game.

Pathetic

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"Hello, I'm a vantriloquist. Meet my new dummy Bruce"

by Dan Snyder

Posted by: scoot21 | December 28, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Realist.

Albert doesn't seem to be leader material. He's a mauler and he should be cast in that role.

All in all, he's a positive addition.

Hope to see him hurt people next season...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 28, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Its good to hear everyones opinions have a good evening. looking forward to the draft!

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | December 28, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

"Hello, some of you may know my father."

By Bruce Allen

Posted by: The_Spear | December 28, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

"Not the same D, not even close. Blache's scheme...never mind, it's polar opposite."

staylor was playing 30 yards off the ball, and the D was not taking any risks. Why? Because the offense stank so the D played to prevent big scoring plays.

we were 16th in the NFL for sacks in 2007 and 23rd for interceptions.

Please expalin to me the "polar opposite" you're talking about, thanks.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Relax Redskins nation! What happened tonight at FedEx Field is actually good news. If you had any doubts about the future of Zorn and Campbell, then tonight the writing on the wall was crystal clear. Along with them two you can throw out Randle El, Fred Smoot, and Perhaps Donte HAll. Their audition for their new boss did not go well at all.

Another reason why tonight's loss was good is because Philly is going to stomp Dallas' **s two weeks in row. Even if the cowboys win next week and they take the 3rd seed (because the vikes are not about to lose the 2nd to the Bears on MNF), they will host the Packers, whose offense could not be stopped by the mighty steelers. But that is a BIG IF. Arizona is going to sit by and lose their last game to give the Girls a free ride. They hold the tie breakers over Dallas and Philly.

Whatever the scenario Dallas is going out on the first round. They beat a horrible team in the skins and a team in decline in the saints. So don't foment too many aspirations Cowgirl fans. They will get stomp by whoever they play in the first round.

Posted by: vic1173 | December 28, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Edvar-

I'd rather put a NFL caliber OL together. DL operates on a rotation while a OL typically plays all of the snaps.

Games are won in the trenches and we have had the worst OL/DL in the NFL in the last 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 12:42 AM

Completely agree that O line is priority #1 next year, AND that both sides of the trenches need to be dominant.

I'll add one more thought before I go nighty-night: Time to start looking for a monster MLB. Fletcher has been great all the way around, but he is losing a-half-a-step to my eyes. I think we should keep an look out for a guy who we can develop next year under his example. I don't see Blades in that particular role. I want a beast who can dominate, not just a guy who is good enough to make the roster. Need to stay stronger up the middle.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:59 AM |

Stats lie. Grillams loved to blitz, Blache plays both safeties 20 yds off the ball, his corners 10 yds off, and plays a soft zone on 3rd down.

Gregg (2nd G is for genius) would have blitzed on 2nd and 3rd and never played a "let the other team score just enough to score scheme"..

He’s clearly a better D coordinator but unlike his sister would say….not a genius .

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Vinny left and JZ is back to calling play again. How else do you explain the fact that for the 2nd week in a row, the Skins have laid a stinking egg?!
It is beyond pathetic the offensive plays that have been called these last few weeks. Even the Defense can't do anything right. If these coaches are auditioning for a job somewhere else next year, I am afraid they just hurt their chances with another team much less with the Skins.
The play-calling is simply pathetic these last few weeks after Vinny left and clearly JZ has taken over the offensive play calling again.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 28, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

"Stats lie. Grillams loved to blitz, Blache plays both safeties 20 yds off the ball, his corners 10 yds off, and plays a soft zone on 3rd down."

The fact of the matter is that by GWill's last year he wasnt blitzing and our pass rush was virtually non-existent. Why didnt he blitz? Because our secondary had detoriorated so he played similar cushions to what we see with Blatche.

Our secondary stinks and so does our offense, so the defense doesnt take any risks. No different than GWilliams last season when we didnt get any sacks nor turnovers.

Our pass rush this season has been better than it was in '07, no question about that.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Get Zorn & Campbell the hell out of town! What the hell are we keepoing them around for? To lay an egg against our biggest rival? Let an interim call some plays and let Colt have a go of it. It could not possibly be any worse.

Posted by: jwt22

Actually it would be worse, siNCe the skins would probably lose a first round pick for trying to play a guy on SEASON ENDING INJURED RESERVE.

Nice post otherwise.

Posted by: TheCork | December 28, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why anyone is upset or surprised by this loss....I mean you really expected this team to win tonight?

Look at the bright side! We all stop complaining and whining about the team...the season is a wash it brought on the firing of Vinnie and soon to be Zorn. Campbell is gone...and a real football minded GM is taking over FINALLY! New staff coming in so yes there IS light at the end of the tunnel!

Posted by: leevi98 | December 28, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

My other team, the Clippers, beat the Boston Celtics as time expired on a shot by Baron Davis, after Rajon ROndo missed two free throws with 1.5 seconds left.

Posted by: TheCork | December 28, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is that by GWill's last year he wasnt blitzing and our pass rush was virtually non-existent. Why didnt he blitz? Because our secondary had detoriorated so he played similar cushions to what we see with Blatche.

Our secondary stinks and so does our offense, so the defense doesnt take any risks. No different than GWilliams last season when we didnt get any sacks nor turnovers.

Our pass rush this season has been better than it was in '07, no question about that.

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 1:16 AM

Dude...The talent sucks as bad as our coaches. Grilliams wasn't here last year.

Our whole team sucks, I'm not picking on you...I'm just pissed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

My other team, the Clippers, beat the Boston Celtics as time expired on a shot by Baron Davis, after Rajon ROndo missed two free throws with 1.5 seconds left.

Posted by: TheCork | December 28, 2009 1:23 AM

To quote Christian Bale....Oh Good for You.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Everybody wants to "blow up" the team. Lets try drafting the second best OT in the draft, whoever that may be, to give Campbell some dependable blind side protection for more than half the season. With our second pick, we may be able to get the best OG in the draft, or a second OT. When we get Cooley back, get him and Davis on the field together. I really think D Thomas made some strides this year and with hard work on his route running, MK can at least become a good possesion WR. Maybe we can draft a pure speed back like Felix Jones in round 4. Sign a FA upgrade at FS and a real SAM, let Landry play his natural position of SS, and for God's sake, lets not EVER AGAIN see Orakpo out in pass coverage instead of chasing a QB in his own endzone on a passing down as happened tonight against Dallas. I think with these moves, and with a real NFL head coach and the confidence and stability having a real GM brings, blowing up the team might not be necessary.

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 28, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

love the posts about how the Skins D is a "mirage."

For 5 of the past 6 seasons the defense has been playoff caliber at the very least, with a few championship caliber squads thrown in.

The offense has SUCKED DOG BALLS the entire time to the the tune of 3rd worst in the nfl since 2000.

A middle of the pack offense would have put this team in the postseason annualy, let's not forget that when jumping all over Blatche for running the same defense GWill did in his last year

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:43 AM

Exactally. I don't want to hear squat against our D until we put together a decent O line that could actually enable us to score points with some consistency. I closely watched Jeremy Bridges at LT during the Cardinals game today. How in the blankety blank did we cut the guy? He may not be Chris Samuels in his prime, but he did a better job of protecting Warner's blind side than any of our LT's this year since Samuels went down.

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 28, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is back to calling plays. I noticed that today. That explains the ZERO points.

Guess once Cerrato left, he felt it was ok to take control again.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 28, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Does it bother anyone else that they always seem to bring up Campbell's different offenses in high school and in college. What does that have to do with us?

While on the Redskins, he's had to operate 2 different offenses.

1. Al Saunders
2. Zorn's

Has sucked at both.

As a rookie, I liked what I saw in Campbell.

As a 5th year veteran, he still plays like a rookie. Has made no improvements.

Campbell in his 5th season,

1.cannot read a defense,
2.cannot make audibles,
3.stares down receivers,
4.has poor pocket awareness
5.has slow release

So lets not get greedy by offering 3.5 million in order to get a 1st and a 3rd. No team will give that.

Best we can hope for is offering enough to get a 2nd round pick. Campbell will have few options as it is. And the last thing we want is Campbell back on the skins. Carolina is out of the Campbell race now that Moore is playing better than Campbell.
Maybe the Rams or Browns will give us a second round pick, that's about the only two options.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 28, 2009 3:15 AM | Report abuse

jeezus h...how many fuqqin times must an idiot get on the blogs and ask for brennan to come in to play. do us all a favor and stand in front of a moving steamroller, please! for the fuqqin record: COLT BRENNAN IS ON INJURED RESERVE! HE'S BEEN ON IR SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE FUQQIN SEASON! STOP ASKING FOR A PLAYER THAT CAN'T PLAY! dammit people. i can't even respect fellow redskins fans because when you're calling for an injured guy to suddenly pad up and play, you prove that you're merely a spectator and not a real fan!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 28, 2009 4:05 AM | Report abuse

actually, redskin in miami, he had to learn gibbs' offense then gibbs turned the offensive playcalling over to saunders. then zorn. in terms of continuity AND consistency, all qb's need that and you can't name one qb in the league that's had to learn a new system practially every season or every other season can you? even in this "pass first" league, all of the successful qb's have a line that can run block and the o coordinator can rely on the back to pound the ground. if the offense is predicated on running AND passing, why is it that you and several other armchair qb's never acknowledge that we're lacking in the run game. if adrian peterson can't shoulder the team and dictate to the defenses, is that all favre's fault? in this game, campbell threw a pick that davis could've caught. still a bad play. in a few other plays, he held the ball too long waiting for the play to develop when he should've tucked the ball and ran. on the play in which he was hit by the safety, he didn't read the play. certainly his bad. what about the plays where he threw to the receiver and they ran laterally instead of heading UP the field to at least get the first down? what about the many times ganther took the handoff and tried to back his way through the trench? what about the corners giving constant cushion and allowing austin the catch on the quick slant routes? why couldn't the defense create a quick 3 and out to give themselves a chance to rest? why the fuqq didn't sherm lewis not attack the defense by calling more plays down the field? of all the players that contributed to the loss, you always run your mouth about the one guy who touches the ball 100% of the time on offense besides the center.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 28, 2009 4:30 AM | Report abuse

A middle of the pack offense would have put this team in the postseason annualy, let's not forget that when jumping all over Blatche for running the same defense GWill did in his last year

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse
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I'm only working on my mediocre high school football player education here, but Blache's scheme seems a whole lot more basic that GW's defenses ever were. Blache seems to play a basic, everyone-stick-to-their-gaps type defense and beat your man at the point of attack, without too many exotic blitz packages, whereas GW brought blitzes from everywhere and had different personnel in different places doing different things. Blache has, in my opinion, an elite DT in AH, 2 elite passrushers in AC and BO, and a stud MLB, but it sure doesn't seem like he thinks pressuring the QB is very important. I don't agree with how AH said what he said last week or the fact that he chose to vent to the WP, but I agree with his fundamental complaint. I think Blache is too stuck in his ways to most effectively use his talent and needs to retire.

In his defense though, it's a little harder to bring those exotic blitzes when your secondary regularly gets torched. I assume that the safeties were so far off last night to prevent them from continuing to give up the huge, game-changing long pass plays and the double-move routes. Ooops. The 'Skins desperately need a true #1 cover corner, in my humble opinion. Neither Rogers and Hall seem to have the man-to-man coverage skills that we need, although I think Rogers is closer.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | December 28, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I love the "keep Campbell, draft O-lineman" theorists. "It's just the O-line", "he's had to learn too many systems", "Campbell's really great underneath it all"...can't wait 'til next year when he's playing like crap and they start telling us once more that Campbell is in a new system and just needs time to get comfortable.

Let him go NOW!!!!!

Posted by: ggt546 | December 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

All HAIL! 0 and 6 in your own division! Shut out at home by your division rival!
SKINS SUXXXX!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 28, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't think the Girls will get to the Super Bowl, I will laugh my head off if Suisham gets a ring after being cut by us.

Posted by: Keiser | December 28, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse


MAN YOUR D SUCKS DOG BALLZ! WAKE UP!!!!! IT's REALITY CALLING YOU! ALL HAIL!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 28, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I love the posts about how the Skins D is a "mirage."

For 5 of the past 6 seasons the defense has been playoff caliber at the very least, with a few championship caliber squads thrown in.

The offense has SUCKED DOG BALLS the entire time to the the tune of 3rd worst in the nfl since 2000.

A middle of the pack offense would have put this team in the postseason annualy, let's not forget that when jumping all over Blatche for running the same defense GWill did in his last year

Posted by: divi3 | December 28, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse


MAN YOUR D SUCKS DOG BALLZ! WAKE UP!!!!! IT's REALITY CALLING YOU! ALL HAIL!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 28, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

HATC

HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 28, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

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