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Reed Doughty signs his contract tender

The Redskins announced Wednesday that safety Reed Doughty has signed his contract tender. Doughty, who received a second-round tender of $1.759 million, is coming off a strong 2009 season and is expected to be among the leaders in the secondary this season.

That leaves only linebacker Rocky McIntosh and cornerback Carlos Rogers as veteran players who have yet to sign contracts for this season.

All three were restricted free agents and had to sign waivers to participate in offseason activities. After organized team activities at Redskins Park Wednesday, McIntosh and Rogers said they eventually plan to sign the tenders.

By Rick Maese  |  May 26, 2010; 6:53 PM ET
 
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moo

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

June 1 is approaching...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Whew! That's a relief.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 26, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

now that Doughty is in the house, does Landry get traded?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, moo if Banks bulks up to 170 he'll almost certainly be trading in some speed, and then he becomes just a guy. And a small one at that.

He would be gaining nearly 20% of his current body weight... like a 200 lb guy going up to 240.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 26, 2010 6:57 PM

so that's what I'm thinking... his niche is defined by speed, and it has been a while since the NFL has seen a player this small.

Tony Jones (5' 7" and 139 lbs, 1990-1995) is the closest I can find. otherwise you need to go back to the 1950s or earlier.

not sure if Banks can make it happen, but will be fun to watch it unfold.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If all you have is a news report citing unnamed sources and documents/evidence that is not verifiable, then you have nothing. That's not even a "technicality".

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 5:28 PM |

Supposedly a Buffalo newspaper has copies of court documents which if Goodell asked to see in private they would probably oblige. If they don't have this then they are exposing themselves to some serious libel and defamation lawsuits.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

now that Doughty is in the house, does Landry get traded?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 7:07 PM

MOL, thought the plan was for Doughty to split time w/ Horton at FS?

at least that's the way Horton was talking a week or two ago.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly a Buffalo newspaper has copies of court documents which if Goodell asked to see in private they would probably oblige. If they don't have this then they are exposing themselves to some serious libel and defamation lawsuits.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:13 PM |

Moss saying through Daniels that "he didn't know what he was taking" is an indirect verification of this. If it wasn't true he would clam up tight knowing there was no "proof" to be had.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly a Buffalo newspaper has copies of court documents which if Goodell asked to see in private they would probably oblige. If they don't have this then they are exposing themselves to some serious libel and defamation lawsuits.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:13 PM |

Moss saying through Daniels that "he didn't know what he was taking" is an indirect verification of this. If it wasn't true he would clam up tight knowing there was no "proof" to be had.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:25 PM

Is there a double meaning to the word "clam?" Or is it "Goodell" or "libel?" I want to laugh, but I'm afraid I don't get this joke either. Explain away CS, I'm ready to roar!

Posted by: mack1 | May 26, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

now that the moo-in-law is safely ensconced on a plane back to DC...

and now that I've made a half-hearted effort to get back in the flow of RI after a wasted week of hosting said moo-in-law...

it's time to pour a full complement of cheladas, set up the play-list for this evening (Scud Mountain Boys, The Sea and Cake, Yo La Tengo, Thievery Corporation), and relax in the back yard while watching the grass grow.

things will only get more interesting as football season approaches.

cheers and g'night all. catch you cows later.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Moss saying through Daniels that "he didn't know what he was taking" is an indirect verification of this. If it wasn't true he would clam up tight knowing there was no "proof" to be had.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:25 PM |

Not sure he's smart enough to keep it shut when he hears his name in something. Not saying he's not I'm just not sure that he is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"...if Banks bulks up to 170 he'll almost certainly be trading in some speed, and then he becomes just a guy. And a small one at that."


This is not always the case.

Remember that each athlete's body is different.

Plus, guys today can train with the right mix of plyometrics/speed work and weights to maintain lateral quickness (what you want out of returner type) while bulking up.

Both Austin and Banks will be fine playing at 170.

DeSean Jackson is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

So let's get this straight. Moss seeks out an out of Country Dr. and has injections performed by this Dr. but has no idea what the injections are? Right!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 26, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

So let's get this straight. Moss seeks out an out of Country Dr. and has injections performed by this Dr. but has no idea what the injections are? Right!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 26, 2010 8:10 PM |

Could be as simple as other players saying how quickly he healed them with his form of "therapy" so Santana calls him up. Not sure i believe that but it's possible.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it's the "one man gang" that could be the breakout defensive player for the Skins at OLB.

Redskins OTA notes, observations
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
05/26/10 4:52 PM EDT

1. Lorenzo Alexander has been working at outside linebacker with the No. 1 defensive unit. Don't know if that will continue when Andre Carter is in camp, but it is obvious that coordinator Jim Haslett is impressed. He raved about Alexander, saying he "has been awesome." He loves his athleticism and said if he didn't know better, he would have thought Alexander had played linebacker last year, too. In watching him move, he does not look awkward at all, the way Chris Wilson did when transitioning last year. Alexander does a good job taking on runs, too; he plays with good leverage even at linebacker

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-OTA-notes-observations-94957974.html

__________________________________________

Asked about Alexander today after the OTA session, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett was effusive in a way usually reserved for phenomenal rookies who haven't proven themselves as pros yet. I honestly don't think I've ever heard a pro coach be so complimentary of a veteran player. Here, look:

"I think he's been awesome," Haslett said. "I mean, the guy's awesome. He's been unbelievable. He's a better athlete that I would've ever guessed. If you told me [that] last year he played a three-technique, I woulda never guessed it. If you said he played linebacker, I woulda said he played linebacker. He's 275 pounds, he's ideal size for the position, he's got good rush ability, and he's unbelievably smart, he's tough as nails ... I mean, I love the guy. I think the guy's outstanding."

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/05/26/jim-haslett-is-fond-of-lorenzo-alexander/#continued

Posted by: TWISI | May 26, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I like Philip Daniels, I really do... good guy.
Yet what does he think S Moss was going to say?

"Yea, I heard about this guy Galea, who can get you HGH so I could heal quicker, and get back out on the field"
??

Sincerely hope S Moss was telling the truth
HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 26, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Anybody that watched Lorenzo play special teams knows he's an awesome athlete..

The Celts are smart- as soon as the refs look like they're gonna call garbage fouls on Garnett, they've got Baby Davis to come in...The Celts are a model that the Bullets should strive for...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I love that nickname for Alexander..."One Man Gang." Always thought it was the best one for him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Is this thing on?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I find it very hypocritical (me, too) that when it's Santana Moss (Redskin) that's implicated, we're all willing to explore the nuances of the infraction.

If this were Felix Jones or Brandon Jacobs, we'd be dancing on their reputations and calling for suspensions.

Just to point that out. I know I don't have the slightest as to the circumstances of anybody else's HGH scandals. Because I never cared: "he cheated. Glad he got caught."

But now, poor innocent Santana. Thought the guy was injecting aspirin. Coulda happened to anybody.

He's GOT to get suspended. It's only fair.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 26, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I find it very hypocritical (me, too) that when it's Santana Moss (Redskin) that's implicated, we're all willing to explore the nuances of the infraction.

If this were Felix Jones or Brandon Jacobs, we'd be dancing on their reputations and calling for suspensions.

Just to point that out. I know I don't have the slightest as to the circumstances of anybody else's HGH scandals. Because I never cared: "he cheated. Glad he got caught."

But now, poor innocent Santana. Thought the guy was injecting aspirin. Coulda happened to anybody.

He's GOT to get suspended. It's only fair.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 26, 2010 9:28 PM |

Although you have a point let's not forget that nothing has been proven beyond a bunch of hearsay so far.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow, if Alexander is looking this good, maybe he can be our version of the Steelers big LB who had that long TD in the Super Bowl(forget his name).

Our stupid coaches last year couldn't see this?

The fact that Fat Albert could have had unprotected sex with a stripper is an indication that the guy is not very smart, classless, clueless, and his personal life is a mess, with the issues from his prior marriage, car accident etc. If this stripper thing is valid, Fat Albert has plenty of issues.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 26, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Thinker, the gypsy woman tole me you was an A**HOLE, who cares what you think..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The NBA is a freaking joke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 26, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Moss told teammates that he heard of Galea from friends around the league and sought the doctor's help. But he apparently never knew exactly what Galea was injecting into his body."

Worst defense ever..He 100% knew what he was injecting into his body. HGH would not have been injected sporadically and his claim his bullshat. I would bet he did receive injects of “other things” but HGH is simple enough for someone from the ”U” to do the daily injections.

I’m 37 and I can tell you how many carbs I ate today, there is no way a professional athlete outside of AH doesn’t know what’s being injected or the repercussions of administering injections into others.

I’m all for his denial tho, especially if his lie keeps him from being suspended. HOWEVER, he cheated, everyone knows he cheated and he’s not alone. The only b.s. surrounding this story is that he’s the only one from the NFL that has been named.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Fat Albert could have had unprotected sex with a stripper is an indication that the guy is not very smart, classless, clueless, and his personal life is a mess,"

Berzerkers have a history of getting into trouble : look at Richard Seymour, Dexter Manley, Andre' The Giant, Dave Butz..The dude from Tampa Bay...Robert Parrish...Bill Clinton....Rambo ...Nuke 8....me....sid...chris hanburger....steve...alice...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Celtics losing by 8 at the half. They need to step it up or Orlando is going to get their confidence back and maybe seriously get back in this series, yeah I know nobody has come back from 3-0.

I saw the pictures of Fat Albert and his alleged baby mama. It is amazing how women will sleep with a big behemoth, or anything or anybody as long as they are a celebrity with deep pockets. Oh, well such is life. Money talks, makes the world go round, and in and out.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 26, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

As for Albert, a strong sex drive and a strong hunger are signs of a strong LIFE-FORCE (Legalize Now!!), good symptoms of a healthy individual...He may have gotten played by some ho to get paid, but he's innocent in his ignorance...Let's see how he does in the months ahead, I know a lot of people want his head on a stick to set as an example, but the 'Skins shan't find a betta Destroyah or Berzekah in the months ahead..

Posted by: frak

I keep thinking if this Blog had sanity standards, how boring it would be.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Hear, 72.../.. have to deal with ghosts all the time...Beats the sh*t outta teams tryin' ta killya or f*** up yer life, i'll tell ya..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The only b.s. surrounding this story is that he’s the only one from the NFL that has been named.


Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 10:06 PM

i've been thinking this ever since the news came out. over 20 athletes have been connected to this doctor, but of course the only one you hear is the guy who plays for the 'Skins.

i haven't been following the national sports media lately, is this only a big topic in DC or is ESPN calling for his head? it wouldn't surprise me, they hate DC and Maryland, and they make it pretty obvious.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 26, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I keep thinking if this Blog had sanity standards, how boring it would be.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2010 10:10 PM

so i take it you're the arbiter of sanity, then. good, good, please let us know what is "sane" and what is not. thanks so much.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 26, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

He added: “I have a lot to prove to the fans that I can still perform and help the team, and I also have a lot to prove to my teammates that I can help them even though I was injured when I signed here. I want to give back 100 percent to help the team win.”

Maake Kemoeatu

Posted by: abxinc | May 26, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

He added: “I have a lot to prove to the fans that I can still perform and help the team, and I also have a lot to prove to my teammates that I can help them even though I was injured when I signed here. I want to give back 100 percent to help the team win.”

Maake Kemoeatu

Posted by: abxinc | May 26, 2010 10:42 PM

i heard Carolina fans were pretty tore up when Kemoeatu blew his achilles. i'm looking forward to seeing if he works out for the DLine.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 26, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red DMV, how's that Dwight Howard and Amare' Stoudamire criticism now?? BOTH those dudes are ALL-STARS and would be a welcome teammate on the Washington Bullets, n'est-ce pas??? Stoudamire plus Wall would be BETTER THAN Malone plus Stockton...Granted, you'd need some SPICE to take it OVER THE TOP, but it's within the realm of possibility, kalee'-kalee'-kali-Kalee'-Kali'...

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Fat Albert could have had unprotected sex with a stripper is an indication that the guy is not very smart, classless, clueless, and his personal life is a mess, with the issues from his prior marriage, car accident etc. If this stripper thing is valid, Fat Albert has plenty of issues.
Posted by: 72Redskins
_____________________________________________

Further indications of how self-centered, self-absorbed AH really is.
Can't go work out when all other teammates are present, though you've just been given 20MIL.
The irony may be that AH will blow his money on foolishness.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 26, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

He added: “I have a lot to prove to the fans that I can still perform and help the team, and I also have a lot to prove to my teammates that I can help them even though I was injured when I signed here. I want to give back 100 percent to help the team win.”

Maake Kemoeatu


How I wish Albert reports and become a team guy. It would have been quite deadly to have
Maake Kemoeatu as Nose Tackle, Adam and Albert as Defensive ends, wow! That would truly define awesomeness! That's over 1000 lbs of beef, I'll bet that against any center guard combination in any game. But who knows what the future brings, 78 days and counting down, we shall soon find out.

Posted by: abxinc | May 26, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

AH needs to show up as a Redskin if he wants to get paid...He'll take a serious paycut elsewhere...Be the All-Gold Redskin, Al, it's out there, it can happen!!..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I find it very hypocritical (me, too) that when it's Santana Moss (Redskin) that's implicated, we're all willing to explore the nuances of the infraction.


Posted by: Thinker_

Don't count me in that 'all' group. Others may be willing to explore the nuances that gets Moss off the hook. I agree with you, and think Goodell has tons of incentive to make sure Moss gets hit -- providing the facts somewhat resemble the things that we're assuming.

Ironically, it probably won't be a big hit for this team. When was the last time Moss played all 16 games and was healthy the whole way? He's usually good for about 1/2 the season, then starts wearing down and becomes pretty average after that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

frak- what's your story? Married? Kids? etc..

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

frak- what's your story? Married? Kids? etc..

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 11:54 PM |

You left out the obvious choice which is mental ward.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

scamp- I definitely left enough rope with those questions. He's a reg. and for some reason I read his posts and need answers. I inherently like just about everyone and my boy frak is definitely an interesting blogger.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

scamp- I definitely left enough rope with those questions. He's a reg. and for some reason I read his posts and need answers. I inherently like just about everyone and my boy frak is definitely an interesting blogger.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 12:10 AM |

I don't know if interesting is the word I would choose but potato/patato

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 27, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

*begin tangent*

#92 is NOT stupid. #92 is self-destructive. personal issues aren't necessarily reflective of a low IQ. there are many people out there who are very intelligent but their lives are an absolute mess. i'm one of them.

*end tangent*

re: the Moss situation, why don't we wait until there's some actual evidence (what's been reported so far is circumstantial) before we start talking suspensions. Goodell can't do anything about this under the Personal Conduct Policy. that's reserved for the likes of that thug Roethlisberger. unless a positive test for PED's, or believable testimony that he used them comes to light, Moss is in the clear.

#89 is the 'Skins' #1 receiver. if he did get suspended, of course it would hurt the team.

upon further reflection, the tangent didn't end until now. thank you for your time and attention to my blathering.

HTTR

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 27, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

so you can't use *'s to mask colorful turns of phrase anymore? i played with different combinations of *'s and letters for half an hour before i just took them out completely. only then was the previous comment allowed to post. it's not like the comment was a horrid string of profanity, for chrissakes. lemme try: f***, s***. will that work for you, WaPo?

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 27, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Stop turning on Moss people. If you're a Redskins fan and saying he needs to be suspended then wake up and pull your head out of your a** and realize who you're talking about. If he said he didn't do it I believe him. If you're not a Redskin fan, then go read whatever crappy blog they have for the Dallas paper if they even have newspapers there in that hellhole and get off the Redskins d***.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | May 27, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Stop turning on Moss people. If you're a Redskins fan and saying he needs to be suspended then wake up and pull your head out of your a** and realize who you're talking about. If he said he didn't do it I believe him.

Posted by: bosshog7169

If you believe what an athlete says just because he puts on the burgundy and gold, you're an idiot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to TWISI for posting that Keim update on Lo Alexander...sounds like we have an answer to at least one of the very crucial questions surrounding the LB position. Nowadays you have to have at least one very versatile player in a 3-4 that can move to a few different spots, and it would be HUGE if Lo could be our very own version of Adalius Thomas (the Ravens version, not the overrated Pats version).

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 5:12 AM | Report abuse

Cooley as holder.

Good idea.

Many coaches, because they do things the way they've always been done because that's the way it's always been done, don't think enough about this.

A punter as holder? Why?!

He's got great hands? Not.

He's good running in traffic/open field? Not.

He's cool when the D is bearing down on him? Not.

I was the holder on our football team in HS. Best hands on the team. Put me at holder. And I can tell you, some of my snags, during atrocious snaps, resulted in made field goals. (A 45 yard bar-bouncer comes to mind).

I hope they stick to this. It just makes sense... And whom would you trust more for a fake? Cooley or "the punter"?

They ought to work Malcolm Kelly out, too. If he can throw, all the better, but the guy has great hands.

So, I'm happy with Cooley holding. Shows me the coaches have their thinking caps on. For a change.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

A punter as holder? Why?!

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:38 AM


Because in practice, he doesn't have sh*t else to do.

Because even the 3rd string QB needs snaps as, you know, a QB--instead of holding on FGs.

Because Tony Romo f-ed it up for backup QBs everywhere with his botched hold against Seattle in the playoffs a few years back.

Because there's not a coach alive that would not be crucified for having their star WR/TE hurt on a botched FG attempt.

So yeah. There's a few reasons...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I was the holder on our football team in HS. Best hands on the team. Put me at holder. And I can tell you, some of my snags, during atrocious snaps, resulted in made field goals. (A 45 yard bar-bouncer comes to mind).
Posted by: Thinker_ | May 27, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Quit bragging

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Thinker_

You know how I know you're gay?

Because you liked to hold balls in high school.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Anyone catch Glen "Big Baby" Davis's act last night?

I guess he won't be shaking his nickname anytime soon.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

You know how I know you're gay?

Because you liked to hold balls in high school.


Posted by: Diesel44 | May 27, 2010 7:20 AM


LOL Diesel...you know how I know you're gay? You macramed yourself a pair of jean shorts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

You guys have it all wrong. Now they should trade Doughty. He's not the great coverage safety that Haslett would like to have in his defense. I've heard him say on a few occasions that the safeties will be interchangeable. I believe in this defense we will see less of the safeties within ten yards of the LOS. Their job is going to be to prevent the deep stuff. Doughty doesn't have the athletic ability to hang with most receivers. Better to trade Doughty to New Orleans for a reunion with Greg Williams and move Carlos Rogers to safety. Landry will be fine once his role is limited to coverage on just one half of the field.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Damn shame that a national outfit like PFT routinely gives us better Skins-related stuff than the inappropriately named "Redskins Insider". For example:

Vonnie Holliday says Haynesworth will have to work hard when he shows up
Posted by Mike Florio on May 27, 2010 7:26 AM ET
The impasse between the Redskins and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth continues. And while we continue to think that the Redskins are only a torn ACL to a 4-3 defensive tackle with another team away from getting what they want in trade for Haynesworth, the Redskins continue to operate under the assumption that he'll show up. Eventually.

When he does, it won't be easy. The team's newest defensive lineman, Vonnie Holliday, spoke Wednesday about the challenges Haynesworth will face.

"He's a tremendous talent," Holliday said in remarks distributed by the team. "He can play this game. The 3-4 defense is a lot different than a 4-3. So it is a matter of once he does get here, he's going to have to really, really put in a lot of work. Like I said, a guy with that kind of talent, his size and quickness, he's a guy that once he gets here it's going to take a lot of work on his part to get caught up."

Holliday's remarks presume that Haynesworth eventually will show up. We'll believe it when it happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you're making the assumption that Doughty has trade value. I doubt any other team in the league deems him worth the paper the trade proposal is printed on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

More from PFT:

Shanahan wasn't asked the money question on Santana Moss
Posted by Mike Florio on May 27, 2010 7:14 AM ET
So now that I'm back at the PFT controls and I'm looking over the more-than-capable efforts of MDS and Rosenthal (it's always heartening to know that I could drop dead and the site would actually be better off), I noticed something on which I need to briefly comment.

On Wednesday, Redskins coach Mike Shanahan spoke fairly extensively regarding receiver Santana Moss, who has been implicated in the investigation of Dr. Anthony Galea for supplying athletes with hGH. Said Shanahan: "I sat down and talked to Santana today and we went through a bunch of situations that have happened to him and feel really good about where he is at. I feel really good that he will, I don't know if vindicated is the word, but I think when people find out all the facts he will be OK."

Based on the transcript that was distributed by the team, it appears that Shanahan wasn't asked a fairly relevant question. Did he give Moss a lie-detector test?

We joke about the issue from time to time, but the wise-cracking is rooted in reality. Shanahan said during his time with the Denver Broncos that he used the device on certain players who faced allegations of misconduct. He did it most notably with receiver David Kircus, who was accused of assault and who claimed self-defense.


"I said, 'Well David, I'll give you a chance to take a lie-detector test,' and he wanted to do that," Shanahan said. "And he passed it with flying colors, so he will be on our football team."

For all anyone knows, Shanahan got the same treatment on Wednesday. I wonder whether the head coach also asked Moss if he ever watched pornographic videos.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Anyone catch Glen "Big Baby" Davis's act last night?

I guess he won't be shaking his nickname anytime soon.

Posted by: Diesel44

First Perkins ejection was total BS. I've seen worse -- way worse and the guy didn't receive any T's at all. As a matter of fact, his first 'T' was BS.

But Davis' concussion did look a little strange.

It didn't look like much to me. Funny how him and Marquis Daniels both went down with concussions. And the shot Daniels too seemed weaker than the one Davis took.

Dudes were out partying it up night before last.


Celtic fans have their fingers hovering over the panic button right now. But not the team they're too vet savvy to get all panicky.

No way Orlando makes it out of Boston.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

No way Orlando makes it out of Boston.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 7:53 AM


Boston better not let 'em...momentum and home court all in favor of Orlando if Boston sh*ts the bed again....

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey Red DMV, how's that Dwight Howard and Amare' Stoudamire criticism now?? BOTH those dudes are ALL-STARS and would be a welcome teammate on the Washington Bullets, n'est-ce pas??? Stoudamire plus Wall would be BETTER THAN Malone plus Stockton...Granted, you'd need some SPICE to take it OVER THE TOP, but it's within the realm of possibility, kalee'-kalee'-kali-Kalee'-Kali'...

Posted by: frak

The prevailing thought up here is that you either a) drink to much, b) smoke some sort of narcotic, or c) have gone of your doctor prescribed medication.

I'm going with all the above.

Wall and Stoudemire will be better than Malone and Stockton? Yeah, you frequently indulge in mind-altering substances. Frak, let me know when Wall scores his first two points in the NBA or when Stoudemire wins a scoring title or, gee, I don't know... A MVP award before you go the "better than" route when speaking out against HALL OF FAME players!

So what, Dwight Howard had nice back to back games. What I said doesn't change anything. Dude still doesn't have ANY offensive low post moves... a signature move. Still doesn't bring the same intensity and focus to the game like the greats do.

And Stoudemire? GTFOH, with that bs nonsense. Stoudemire is 6-10 doesn't play a lick of defense and doesn't even average 9 boards a game.

Just because those two pulled a few nice games out their asses doesn't excuse their prior games. Let me know when these guys are doing it on a consistent basis.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you're making the assumption that Doughty has trade value. I doubt any other team in the league deems him worth the paper the trade proposal is printed on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 7:38 AM
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Grilliams would give his left nut to have Doughty. Doughty was his personal project. BTW, I am not saying Doughty isn't a decent safety. In a defense where the strong safety is used closer to the line of scrimmage and less in coverage, Doughty is a decent prospect. My early read on Haslett's defense is he wants four defensive backs used almost exclusively in coverage. He will attack with the front seven and the safeties will be used as a last line of defense: the "don't give up the big play" guys. I am sure this will evolve over time, but I think this is the simple philosophy he enters the season with.

From a strong safety standpoint, Landry is the guy - only the position is going to be more interchangeable with free, so it probably doesn't matter which safety position Landry holds. What is important is that the other safety can cover. People can bash on Carlos all they want, but I think it makes some sense to move him to free. They have some depth at corner. They can start Buchanan and Hall at corners with the young guys Barnes, Tryon and Westbrook providing depth. In my mind, this will give them their best four coverage guys on the field at the same time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

First Perkins ejection was total BS. I've seen worse -- way worse and the guy didn't receive any T's at all. As a matter of fact, his first 'T' was BS

CO-SIGN!!! The foul was BS, the first technical TRUMPED the BS of the foul, and the 2nd technical was just absolute failure on the NBA.

Hey David Stern, guess what...Tim Donaghy was right, 5 game series's are good, 6 game series's are better, and a 7 game series is the best, not necessarily from a product standpoint, but for your bottom line. Your product is a joke.......you should be ASHAMED of what transpired on the floor last night, and if Perk is suspended for #6, then the fix is in....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"Sincerely hope S Moss was telling the truth"


Even if he isn't, is there some way for Goodell to disprove his claims?

No.

However, I think he should follow the Andy Pettite route, speak about the issue openly, and point out to all fans/kids that PEDS/HGH is something to avoid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

He's a doc; he probably thought what he was doing was OK

Posted by: p1funk | May 26, 2010 6:24 PM

agreed on most everything you've said on this topic, except that one.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse


"Probably" may be a strong word, but many of these cutting-edge doctor types (which Galea is in his field) have rationalized their courses of action to themselves even when they know it conflicts with aspects of the law (take Dr. Kevorkian for instance).

I'm sure he realizes that transporting HGH and such was illegal, but as far as the treatments themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if he has justified it to himself with some kind of ethical argument about healing individuals outweighing other considerations.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams would give his left nut to have Doughty...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 8:16 AM


Then Gregggg is far more cavalier with his man parts than I--or any other dude in history--will ever be.

Seriously...what has Doughty done to be a hot commodity, even by the guy who drafted him? To say he's Gregggg's "personal project" is a misnomer...as a coach, EVERY player should be his "personal project".

Doughty is what he is--a decent role player who, in the grand scheme of things, is a dime a dozen. So no need to trade for him...especially since he'll probably be a free agent next year and Gregggg can make a run at him then (and that's IF you're even close to right about the level of interest). In the meantime, I'm sure he'll find a way to get by with the same cast of characters that helped him, you know, win a SB last season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

BTW, didn't Joey Crawford make the call against Perkins last night? I mean, is there a ref in all of sports more obviously trying to keep his name in the papers than this guy? How he keeps a gig is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Other than Orakpo, Doughty and Blades played the best on Defense last year, simply because they make solid wrap-up tackles and didn't try to go for the big hit (remind you of anyone?). But Doughty isn't that athletic to play a FS type position all the time, he needs to be at the line of scrimmage. Kareem Moore is a sleeper here at FS. He has the athleticism, he just needs to really jump in and learn the position, and hopefully not get beat on those double moves (man, you'd think I were picking on this UN-NAMED person!)

Posted by: monk811 | May 27, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Red, you don't like either of those dudes cuz they both look like Clark Kent- Hell, Larry Fitzgerald is a nerd ( a Rasta-nerd, mind you), who wouldn't want him talking economics at the post-championship press show for your team after the game?? OK, Stoudamire is more George Gervin than Karl Malone, but Kevin Durant ain't makin' headlines for his defense, either-why the hell wouldn't you want him on yer team?? Or Dwight Howard's serious pterodactyl wingspan?? Given Wall's year last year with Cousins, it's obvious he's going to need the scoring big man to pass off to..I hope the Bullets get BOTH Stoudamire and Howard..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Bean, the officiating is a big reason why so many people don't watch the NBA anymore.

It gets to the point that when a horrendous called is made, the referees in an attempt to save face will call another bogus call on the other end.

The referees are an extension of David Stern. Seriously, who gets fined 25,000 dollars for making inflammatory marks against officiating?

The Refs call the game as instructed by David Stern. No wonder he take sit so personal when people talk down on the officiating.


Both technical fouls will be rescinded. If they aren't, then I'm with ya, the fix is most definitely in.

I wouldn't be surprised if both series go to seven games now.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Santana may be guilty, but without a positive test or confession it may be difficult for the league office to take action against him.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 8:28 AM

NBA = Pro Wrestling. That's why I only watch about 5 games a year anymore.

The officiating is either fixed, or completely inept, or both. Last nights calls were a sham. You think they would have called those ticky-tack fouls and technicals back in the 80s/90s, when the NBA was at its peak?

The officials are becoming bigger than the game. They're deciding the games, whether they mean to or not.

LET THE PLAYERS PLAY.

They're not robots either... they have emotion and show emotion... this is guys lives/careers... and as evidenced by last night... scary injuries can always happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

red/ryp, agreed, I can't watch but part of these games, and I'm a huge celtics fan, its just WAY, WAY to frustrating....Stern is clueless, there is no way he can't know that his product is SEVERELY flawed...you'd have thought after the whole Donaghy thing, he'd have tried to distance the league from it...

if those technicals aren't rescinded, then the league wants Howards as the new face of the league.....Stevie Wonder could see that those calls were bullcrap...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"Probably" may be a strong word, but many of these cutting-edge doctor types (which Galea is in his field) have rationalized their courses of action to themselves even when they know it conflicts with aspects of the law (take Dr. Kevorkian for instance).

I'm sure he realizes that transporting HGH and such was illegal, but as far as the treatments themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if he has justified it to himself with some kind of ethical argument about healing individuals outweighing other considerations.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 8:31 AM

sure, or maybe he's attracted to the thrill and/or financial reward of working with famous high-level professional athletes.

don't know much about competition among "elite" sports medicine practitioners, but it would seem that you need to offer something special to keep your clients... otherwise they might as well consult with team doctors, other specialists, etc. if it isn't expertise (e.g., you're widely known as the best knee surgeon around), then providing some extra juice would be a relatively easy way to stay in that game.

my perception is that any rationalization is secondary to the primary motives. but we're way deep into speculation here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Cushing showed up on the steroids radar early before the draft because of the surgery/All-America cycle he was showing at USC..Shawn Merriman put on 40 lbs of muscle mass his senior year and the red flags went up...But is it worth it to get a coupla All-Pro years outta somebody?? Merriman was my dawg, he came from homelessness to shine brightly ( all God's Punks can relate to that- we're always f***in' up and getting homeless), but it's doubtful now that he's on the sh*tlist that he'll ever return to All-Pro form..The NFL's steroids/HGH policy is totally vague, maybe purposely so..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Moss saying through Daniels that "he didn't know what he was taking" is an indirect verification of this. If it wasn't true he would clam up tight knowing there was no "proof" to be had.

Posted by: CrimeScene | May 26, 2010 7:25 PM |

Not sure he's smart enough to keep it shut when he hears his name in something. Not saying he's not I'm just not sure that he is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 26, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure which would be worse from a judgement standpoint: intentionally taking a banned substance, or allowing an injection when you don't know what you're being injected with or what it could do to you.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 27, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if both series go to seven games now.

Posted by: RedDMV

Terrible calls last night..I think they rig the playoff games to go seven for advertising revenue..and stadium tickets..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

NBA = Pro Wrestling. That's why I only watch about 5 games a year anymore.


Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse


That's an insult to pro wrestling.

At least Vince McMahon and the WWE are pretty up front and honest about their product being fixed entertainment.

Stern and the phonies with the NBA continue to try to sell us the delusion that there is nothing wrong with NBA refereeing.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Good gawd, Frak. You're nuttier than a fruit cake. Stoudemire AND Howard?

Listen to me:

Leave The Base ALONE!

At least Stoudemire would off-set Howard's lack of offense, and Howard would off-set Stoudemire's lack of defense and rebounding.

You might be on to something.


not.

bean, when they were showing the replays. The collisions or hits that caused the concussions of Daniels and Davis seemed light. I guess I'm used to seeing the NFL collision/concussions.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

haha, p1, thats a great point.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Grilliams would give his left nut to have Doughty."


We skins fans have been a lil slow to acknowledge Grilliams' success in Nawlins after not getting the head job here.

He now has a ring and Jim Zorn is nothing but a memory not unlike the beans from the night before that gave you this morning's bad gas.

Will Greg Williams be a head coach next Spring?

I'd say yes.

Where?: Two places

Chicago (if Cutler and Martz don't turn things around)

Jacksonville (if Del Rio's team drowns in the St John's River)

Grilliams would be a fine chioce in Chicago where rebuilding the defense would take priority.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I have to say, I find it very hypocritical (me, too) that when it's Santana Moss (Redskin) that's implicated, we're all willing to explore the nuances of the infraction.

If this were Felix Jones or Brandon Jacobs, we'd be dancing on their reputations and calling for suspensions.

Just to point that out. I know I don't have the slightest as to the circumstances of anybody else's HGH scandals. Because I never cared: "he cheated. Glad he got caught."

But now, poor innocent Santana. Thought the guy was injecting aspirin. Coulda happened to anybody.

He's GOT to get suspended. It's only fair.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 26, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse


Let me just be clear about alot of the comments that I've made about Moss.

I have simply been putting my "lawyer" cap on and expressing the strategy that I would advocate/sell to Moss if he were my client and my job were to get him off with minimal punishment.


But, I can also reasonably understand that maybe Galea was recommended to Moss by other NFL players. They told him about this great doctor who is doing alot of cutting edge work in this area - he's not some 2-bit scheister, but does legitimate work and has a legitimate rep (which he does). But see, he's up in Canada; he's willing to travel but it will cost a pretty-penny given the circumstances and he's a pretty busy guy.

Now if those NFL players also have NEVER been in trouble/gotten busted for PEDs or never failed a drug test following their treatments, then there's no reason for Moss to think that the doctor or the treatments are sketchy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2010 9:04 AM

Especially since the first two rounds of the playoffs were so awful...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I can't see Gregggg landing in Jacksonville, considering they couldn't get him outta town fast enough after his one-and-done as D-coordinator. But you make a good call about Chicago perhaps getting into the mix.

Don't rule out San Diego, either. They tend to make those "out of nowhere" hires and if they underachieve this year (or go one-and-done in the playoffs), I could see Norv getting the shoe along with A.J. Smith.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Ozzie Guillen = Tony "Scarface" Montana

That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Don't rule out San Diego, either..."


Amen.

You have to wonder just how long of a leash Norville Turner is on.

He's got a loaded team that's primed to move into the upper echelon of NFL teams.

If the chargers fail (and I believe they will), you have to wonder how he, Norv, stays when Marty was let go under similar circumstances.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Amen.

You have to wonder just how long of a leash Norville Turner is on.

He's got a loaded team that's primed to move into the upper echelon of NFL teams.

If the chargers fail (and I believe they will), you have to wonder how he, Norv, stays when Marty was let go under similar circumstances.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse


Or how many more times they give Nate Kaeding a pass for single-handedly ruining them in the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

man, we've run some good coaches out of town:
turner, schotty, williams, lewis... any others?

of course had we kept them and remained "medium" - like say 8-8 every year - snyder may not have had his cerrato epiphany. i'm hoping that's what's happened and this "shanny/allen's in charge" is real and not just another ruse...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams would give his left nut to have Doughty...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 8:16 AM


Then Gregggg is far more cavalier with his man parts than I--or any other dude in history--will ever be.

Seriously...what has Doughty done to be a hot commodity, even by the guy who drafted him? To say he's Gregggg's "personal project" is a misnomer...as a coach, EVERY player should be his "personal project".

Doughty is what he is--a decent role player who, in the grand scheme of things, is a dime a dozen. So no need to trade for him...especially since he'll probably be a free agent next year and Gregggg can make a run at him then (and that's IF you're even close to right about the level of interest). In the meantime, I'm sure he'll find a way to get by with the same cast of characters that helped him, you know, win a SB last season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:31 AM
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You really don't understand Grilliams' ego, do you? Doughty was his pick, his prospect, his project. Doughty's success is a direct reflection on Williams' ability to assess and develop talent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

man, we've run some good coaches out of town:
turner, schotty, williams, lewis... any others?


Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse


I recall Joe Gibbs leaving a year early...

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

First Perkins ejection was total BS. I've seen worse -- way worse and the guy didn't receive any T's at all. As a matter of fact, his first 'T' was BS

CO-SIGN!!! The foul was BS, the first technical TRUMPED the BS of the foul, and the 2nd technical was just absolute failure on the NBA.

Hey David Stern, guess what...Tim Donaghy was right, 5 game series's are good, 6 game series's are better, and a 7 game series is the best, not necessarily from a product standpoint, but for your bottom line. Your product is a joke.......you should be ASHAMED of what transpired on the floor last night, and if Perk is suspended for #6, then the fix is in....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse
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WAAAAAAA!!!! The refs aren't being nice to my celtics....WAAAAAAAA!!!! Try being the Lakers for a couple a series, getting abused by the refs in away games (highest disparity of free throws between home and away games of any team in the playoffs, by more than double).

Just kiddin' with ya - look at who's talking: a guy who's a fan of supposedly the most talented team in the NBA but can't seem to solve the most basic defense in basketball.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You really don't understand Grilliams' ego, do you? Doughty was his pick, his prospect, his project. Doughty's success is a direct reflection on Williams' ability to assess and develop talent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2010 9:58 AM


Apparently you don't know his ego because his stance is that his scheme is what wins, not the individual players. Which is why he was content to let guys like Pierce, Clark, and Arrington go in favor of undrafted kids. I'd call that the chief reason why he's still a D-coordinator and not a head coach.

I just don't get why Doughty is being singled out as "his project". He took Landry too, why isn't he "his project"? Why not Dallas Sartz? Or H.B. Blades? Or Carlos Rogers? The only guy I ever heard him have any real affinity for was Sean Taylor.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I recall Joe Gibbs leaving a year early...

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 9:59 AM
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yeah...but i blame gibbs for that. in fact, i'm kind of bitter about how he left. he freakin' QUIT on us. probably partly because of which i have absolutely NO INTEREST in any of his nascar crap or how his family is doing or really anything else gibbs-related.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Which is why he was content to let guys like Pierce, Clark, and Arrington go in favor of undrafted kids. I'd call that the chief reason why he's still a D-coordinator and not a head coach."

GR didnt let Clark go, he was possibly his favorite player, not Reed. It was a money game, Snyder was being cheap at the time with ST back there.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 27, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Just kiddin' with ya - look at who's talking: a guy who's a fan of supposedly the most talented team in the NBA but can't seem to solve the most basic defense in basketball.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


IMO, the Lakers are a case-study in how poor PG play can torpedo an otherwise insanely talented team. You can't solve a basic defense b/c the guys running the point on the offense are sub-par.

Fisher/Farmar/Brown is definitely the worst PG combo in the playoffs, and quite mediocre when you look at the whole NBA.

Now I don't know the nuances of the triangle offense and people may counterpoint to me that PG does not make the triangle work.

But when you look at the league and team sucess, its clear that PG in the NBA is becoming a more and more important position.

It's no coincidence, I think, that the Magic's mini-resurgence and Howard's explosion of productivity have coincided with Jameer Nelson's arrival to the series and decision to start playing.

P.S.
Another reason for Wiz to take John Wall.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get why Doughty is being singled out as "his project". He took Landry too, why isn't he "his project"? Why not Dallas Sartz? Or H.B. Blades? Or Carlos Rogers? The only guy I ever heard him have any real affinity for was Sean Taylor.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse
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I always thought that GWilliams had a particular affinity for Doughty, probably because of his son's health issues and Reed's conduct in the face of those difficulties.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Which is why he was content to let guys like Pierce, Clark, and Arrington go in favor of undrafted kids. I'd call that the chief reason why he's still a D-coordinator and not a head coach."

GR didnt let Clark go, he was possibly his favorite player, not Reed. It was a money game, Snyder was being cheap at the time with ST back there.

I remember back when he was still on the team GR was asked who the hardest hitter was, he said Clark. He said that if he didnt play football he would be a crash test dummy.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 27, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Doughty is what he is--a decent role player who, in the grand scheme of things, is a dime a dozen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 8:31 AM


IMO, Doughty is the NFL's version of the "glue-guy" that you see on NBA teams.

They're not stars, but their teams rely on them to be consistent and versatile enough to do alot of little things that are important to the team's success.

But as with the NBA, you don't max-out a "glue-guy" and you don't give up alot to get one.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"So what, Dwight Howard had nice back to back games. What I said doesn't change anything. Dude still doesn't have ANY offensive low post moves... a signature move."

Posted by: RedDMV

Red, have you been watching this series lately? Howard has abused every single one of the Celtics' bigs in the low-post. The argument that Howard has no low-post moves is one of the most ridiculous arguments imaginable. You're hanging onto the image of him from 2 years ago. He's got power moves, he's got that half spin to the outside for the short jump hook off the glass, and he's got that running hook across the lane. The reason Boston continues to get their bigs in foul trouble is because their only answer to Howard is to hack him before he gets too close and to send him to the line. He's straight torching Boston right now.

Though I will agree that he hasn't consistently produced that Jordan/Kobe/Garnett type killer intensity game-in and game-out. But when he does, he's the most dominant player in the league outside of Kobe.

Posted by: psps23 | May 27, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

So the geeks at footballoutsiders have now started charting broken tackles, for both the offense and the defense.

OFFENSE (rank 10th in NFL)
Plays Bkn % Total
Tkls Brkn Tkles
WAS 955 59 6.2% 76

Surprised me that Washington's offensive players apparently broke that many tackles. Best was Carolina, worst was Green Bay.

DEFENSE (rank 6th in NFL)
Plays Bkn % Total Bkn
Tkles Tackles
WAS 968 49 5.0% 58

Also not bad. Surprisingly, fewest broken tackles went to St Louis, a poor defense. Most broken tackles (the 'Oxy PoorGrips Award) goes to Detroit, with Indy second.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

yeah...but i blame gibbs for that. in fact, i'm kind of bitter about how he left. he freakin' QUIT on us. probably partly because of which i have absolutely NO INTEREST in any of his nascar crap or how his family is doing or really anything else gibbs-related.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


But Spurrier also quit.

Marvin Lewis left town b/c he got a head-coaching job w/ Cincy.

There are the guys that have been actively run out of town (Schotty, Turner), and there are the guys who spent as much time as they could stomach here and then decided to leave for greener pastures (Spurrier, Lewis, Gibbs).

Either way, it's clear that the Redskins have had a serious problem creating a positive work environment...wonder whose fault that is?

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

yeah...but i blame gibbs for that. in fact, i'm kind of bitter about how he left. he freakin' QUIT on us. probably partly because of which i have absolutely NO INTEREST in any of his nascar crap or how his family is doing or really anything else gibbs-related.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 10:13 AM


Wow...you make it sound like he left in mid-season like that coward Bobby Petrino. I mean really, Walter...use some friggin' perspective here.

You're talking about a 67 year-old man who was probably too old and too far removed from the game to really be good for the job in the first place. Then work in the death of a player, a cancer prognosis for his grandson, and probably the most embarrassing gaffe of his professional coaching career (the double time out in the Buffalo game), and he's got all the reason in the world to retire. It's not like the team was on the brink of something special...he got all he was gonna get outta that squad and I give him a ton of credit for taking that team to the playoffs twice, basically in spite of itself.

So if you're gonna villify Gibbs for calling it quits only a year early (in a 5 year deal he wasn't likely to see the end of anyway), you're on your own.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The argument that Howard has no low-post moves is one of the most ridiculous arguments imaginable

No its not. He's got a baby jump hook, and the dunk. There is no drop step, there is no fade away, there is no straight up face the basket jumper. His athleticism/size allow him to be successful, but Kevin Mchale/Karl Malone he's not.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, own up, how many games did you watch last season? B/C Reedy-D was easily the most consistent d-back through the second half of the year and left his game on the F'n field. Its not like we broke the bank for the cat, and we spent a good amount of time developing him, and he is now 3 D-cords deep who think he can play. Why bash the dude, teams need cheap versatile players...And Dallas Sartz? This is then NFL they dont keep dudes just cause, he has earned a roster spot each year and has climbed the depth chart. Big ups to'em. Glad to have him on the squad. Put down the madden for a couple minutes and watch some of these dudes ball on the actual field.

And if guys are a "dime a dozen" how come the skins rarely have any. I love the cavelier attitude...dime a dozen...its easy to find "just guys"...UM No its not....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 27, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Fisher/Farmar/Brown is definitely the worst PG combo in the playoffs, and quite mediocre when you look at the whole NBA.

Now I don't know the nuances of the triangle offense and people may counterpoint to me that PG does not make the triangle work.

But when you look at the league and team sucess, its clear that PG in the NBA is becoming a more and more important position.

It's no coincidence, I think, that the Magic's mini-resurgence and Howard's explosion of productivity have coincided with Jameer Nelson's arrival to the series and decision to start playing.

P.S.
Another reason for Wiz to take John Wall.

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse
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If you read the hard-core, statistical analysis of the Laker games and season performance, as I do, you will see that you are correct, at least from a statistical standpoint, that the Fisher/Farmar combo actually produces the worst stats of any "decent" team, and some of the worst in the entire NBA. Somehow, the Lakers make it work, mainly because in the triangle offense, especially when run by an all-time great like Kobe, the PG really doesn't have a big role. Everything is initiated, directed, and run through Kobe. More often than not, you will see Fish basically waiting out on the wing or in the corner, waiting to get the dish and open jumper. He just doesn't have the responsibilities of a PG in a normal offense. Kobe is really the PG and sometimes simultaneously the SF in this offense. They can usually mask Fish's lead feet on D through the outstanding defensive play of Kobe, and now Kobe and Ron-Ron. Fish probably wouldn't make it as a starter on a team running a normal offense and with normal quality defenders. That having been said, though, Fish has the knack for somehow being there in the critical spots - look at the finals last year and his play in the plaoffs this year - he's been DRAMATICALLY better, somehow, than in the regular season, and he's an outstanding leader. Plus he has the faith and trust of PJ. Hence, he's still around. I'd love to see LA give Fish his "viking funeral", so to speak, this offseason, and acquire a more capable PG via free agency.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

To be suspended a player does not have to knowingly take a banned substance.

If a player puts something into his body, such as hiring a doctor to inject you, and that injection contains a banned substance, the player is at fault and can be suspended.

It is the same as taking dietary supplements that contain banned substances in them. Just because the player did not know it contained banned substances is irrelevant.

The rule is that a player must take responsibility for anything he puts into his body. So unless Galea strapped him down and injected Moss without his consent, Moss can be suspended for the HGH.

Moss can also be suspended without a positive test or confession. First, this is not a criminal trial(where thos also would not be mandatory). Second, there is a great amount of circumstantial evidence such as the illegal drugs being confiscated at the border, the testimony of the Galea's assistant, Galea's prior treatment of Moss and the cost of the treatment. If Galea was just injecting aspirin then it would've made more sense to hire a local doctor to such a simple procedure. The hiring of a foreign doctor for such a simple procedure implies that there were additional reasons for Moss choosing Galea other than to just have aspirin injected.

In addition, Santana may have to cooperate with the Feds to avoid any possible criminal charges. It would then be in Moss' best interest to confess.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 27, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

yeah...but i blame gibbs for that. in fact, i'm kind of bitter about how he left. he freakin' QUIT on us. probably partly because of which i have absolutely NO INTEREST in any of his nascar crap or how his family is doing or really anything else gibbs-related.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 27, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse


But Spurrier also quit.

Marvin Lewis left town b/c he got a head-coaching job w/ Cincy.

There are the guys that have been actively run out of town (Schotty, Turner), and there are the guys who spent as much time as they could stomach here and then decided to leave for greener pastures (Spurrier, Lewis, Gibbs).

Either way, it's clear that the Redskins have had a serious problem creating a positive work environment...wonder whose fault that is?

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Lombardi die on our watch. Musta been Snyders fault.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 27, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

So did Galea have any 'legal' drugs with him when they arrested him? Maybe the 'legal' ones are for Moss. If he told other players on the team he didn't take HGH, than I'm gonna believe him until there's more evidence saying otherwise.
I agree that if this was Felix Jones or Tony Homo (oops, Freudian Slip)that were in this mess, I'd be the first to say suspend them, but I don't care, it's my team and my opinion so screw everyone. And Dallas sux, they would deserve it.

Posted by: monk811 | May 27, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

frak- what's your story? Married? Kids? etc..

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 26, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Somewhat disappointed frak hasn't responded to this one. I agree with Diesel; I'm curious.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 27, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I'm not calling Howard the next Olajuwon, but anybody claiming he has no low-post moves after watching the last couple games is out of his or her mind. He did the exact same thing in the Cavs' series last year in the Conference Finals. He's got game, and Boston is reeling right now because of it.

Posted by: psps23 | May 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Reed D reminds me of a poor white man's Matt Bowen.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Lombardi die on our watch. Musta been Snyders fault.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 27, 2010 10:35 AM

MOL

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Lombardi die on our watch. Musta been Snyders fault.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 27, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse


If Snydes were the owner, I'm sure we'd put that on him too...

Posted by: p1funk | May 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The hiring of a foreign doctor for such a simple procedure implies that there were additional reasons for Moss choosing Galea other than to just have aspirin injected.

In addition, Santana may have to cooperate with the Feds to avoid any possible criminal charges. It would then be in Moss' best interest to confess.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 27, 2010 10:30 AM

There are practices not approved by the FDA AND not on the NFL list of banned substances. So, that's your answer.

Feds already said they're not prosecuting the users/clients in the 1st place. So, he doesn't have to testify. They got his assistant which will be good enough in Federal Court....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

agree to disagree, his low post game is limited, as are his offensive contributions, that aren't dunks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Bowen was overrated, he had a good like 1/2 of a year and then was injury plagued. If anything Bowen was a poor, no check that, a homeless white man's version of Reed Doughty. F-Bowen

Posted by: monk811 | May 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Reed D reminds me of a poor white man's Matt Bowen.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 27, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse
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That's a really good comparison... very similar capabilities, in my opinion.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"The rule is that a player must take responsibility for anything he puts into his body."


Sanatana's situation is one that, if I'm Roger Goddell, I see as potentially dangerous.

If he cuts Moss any kind of slack, other folks will shout, "What 'bout me?"

Moss' case isn't as noxious as Big Ben's or Plax's.

But if you're Roger, you'd prefer that Moss stepped up and announced in advance that he had been treated by Galea once news hit the media that the Evil Doc was under suspicion.

Such a move would've given all parties an out.

But that didn't happen.

So now, Goodell has to err on the side of 'the image of the league was somehow compromised' and give Santana some kind of sanction.

Otherwise, folks point to the NFL as a league that says no to street drugs but maybe to syringe borne treatments that causes others to have medals taken away and possible asterisks placed near their home run accomplishments.

And any other player caught up in an HGH/PEDs treatment situation might rise up and whine, "See, what had happened was..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

@4th Floor

There is a general clause that allows the NFL to suspend players for taking illicit drugs. Drugs not approved by the FDA would fall under that category. A drug does not need to be explicitly labeled in the banned substances for a player to be suspended.

Also, the Feds can change their minds on who to prosecute. It is an open case. If they find some additional evidence or do not feel they are getting adequate cooperation they could change their stance and decide to prosecute Moss and/or other players.

Posted by: sgm3 | May 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Keep McIntosh and cut Rogers. He's a bucket of FAIL.

Posted by: damnit79 | May 28, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

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