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Simmons, A. Smith Leave Redskins

Redskins tight ends coach Rennie Simmons has reitred, while defensive assistant Arthur Smith is leaving the organization to pursue an opportunity with the Marines, the team announced Wednessday night.

The team will look to fill both roles in the coming weeks. Simmons's departure leaves offensive line coach Joe Bugel as the only one of Joe Gibbs's longtime assistants still with the team. Simmons spent 27 years in the NFL, including 15 in two stints with the Redskins.

Smith served as a quality control coach, which is a position at the bottom of the coaching hierarchy. He spent two seasons with the club. No other changes to the coaching staff are planned at this time, according to a source.

The Redskins laid off several employees yesterday, in moves unrelated to the departure of the coaches, sources said. That group amounted to less than 10 percent of the workforce and falls in line with actions taken by other NFL clubs given the economic downturn. The departures fall within non-football areas, like public relations, stadium operations, and retail.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 7, 2009; 6:00 PM ET
 
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thanks for your great years rennie! enjoy retirement.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

the dream is over:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3817195

over/under on days till he is a raider: 25

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL... I see La Canfora didn't space out the "Redskins by Positions: Wide Receivers" as much as he did with his "Redskins by Positions: Defensive Tackles".

That last post from (The WR) was chopped-n-skrewed.

"You've offically been chopped-n-skrewed", La Canfora.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Cl - His days in the NF of L is ova.

Lucky for him they have a new league starting up next year.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

so 4th i can put you down for over than?

"chopped-n-skrewed" is this that hip hop drink that is codein on ice...i admit i would like to try that.

oh see "The Wrestler" great film!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

While I believe some people should have second chances (Mike Vick), this Pacman d-bag is a complete turd who doesn't deserve to play another game in the NFL.

What's sad is one day, he'll grow the F up and finally "get it", but by then he'll be too old for anyone to give him a shot.

I once felt the same way about Chris Henry, but when he had football taken away from him for real, he started to get his mind right.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

joe the (fake) plummer as (fake) war correspondant=power rankings on steroids....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, that drink you're talking 'bout orginated from Houston and is simply known as "purple" or "purple stuff". You may recall that safety from the SD Chargers, Kiel (I think was his name) got busted for transporting and selling the main ingredient - codeine. It was made popular by DJ Screw who OD'd on the stuff and was also the trendsetter of the "chopped-n-screwed" variety of your favorite Hip-Hop and R&B songs.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Red - Vick and Henry get a chance in my opinion. Just like Sellers got a chance.

8 years later and no one ever mentions it.....

Tomm should be TEs. That will prob be the 2nd and last post about a position with a positive outcome no matter how you look at it..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Um, just did a search on that dude from the Chargers, indeed his name was Kiel, Terrence Kiel - he was killed in a car acciden this past summer.

Damn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3474312

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm by no means a PETA supporter, but saying Mike Vick deserves a second chance(which he'll probably get) is comical and sad.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 7, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

its also reffered to as "syrup"...

"Sippin' on some siz-erp, sip, sippin' on some, sip" - Three Six Mafia

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

+++Largent didn't have size or speed, but ran deadly precise routes and his QB, whatshisname, knew precisely where and when to throw the ball. Largent would be there. He was extremely disciplined.

Come to think of it, it doesn't apply to the area you were talking about. It really is about the QB and WR being so in synch that they intentionally shrinking that area to ensure a catch and avoid a pick.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2009 6:25 PM+

Ah....

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 7, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Not only would Steve Largent be there, but he would also catch the ball if doing so was humanly possible.

Thus making everyone on the offense, including the QB, feel good about themselves and want to throw to Largent again.

I hope Mr. Kelly, Mr. Thomas, and Mr. Davis learn this lesson, some day.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm by no means a PETA supporter, but saying Mike Vick deserves a second chance(which he'll probably get) is comical and sad.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 7, 2009 7:12 PM

Why? He had his first brush with the law, doing his time... I mean what the F do people like you want from the man? His blood - assuming he got that herpes thing situated.

I don't care what anyone says, yeah its dumb stupid to fight dogs, but there are people who have done WORSE and got less time. Trust me, I know.

But the Vick debate is old news now. He's doing the time, lost a considerable amount of bread, lost his privliage to play in the NFL (for now), again I ask, what do you want from the guy?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

If you really cared about the dogs, you would actually hope Vick gets a second chance, b/c he owes a fortune on their care...

If you do your time, you deserve second chances...our whole penal system is based on that...

Thanks Red...I basically knew all that stuff about Syrup......still I want one...sounds....well intoxicating...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That's not funny. I saw that headline and thought Danny Smith was gone. I was so excited.....oh well

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | January 7, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

cl

If I understand Vick's current financial situation, MV owes a ton of money to a whole bunch of different people/organizations.

Aren't his creditors father toward the front of the payoff line than the animal welfare organizations, or is paying for his animals care part of his sentencing in which case, maybe they are first?

Red, if we're really looking to punish MV, the NFL will re-instate him and force him to go to the Raiders. Just as long as he goes nowhere near Cleveland...

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | January 7, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Hustler, as usual I was all wrong with my predictions... I figured Danny Smith would be fired to serve as the de facto scapegoat, since his teams were so weak this year, and I kind of guessed Buges would decide to retire after his tough, tough year... and those dudes appear to be sticking around. I'm in favor of Buges' sticking around since we should have some new blood on the O line to coach up, but I pretty much wanted Danny Smith to see the door...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins laid off several employees yesterday ... The departures fall within non-football areas of the team, like public relations ...

The Skins fired a PR guy? Is that a discrete way of saying Vinny got fired from his radio gig?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm so proud that no one did the obligatory and obvious "Just Walk Away Rennie" joke

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah if you really wanted to punish Vick send him to the raiders, therefor they'll have two QBs who aren't classic drop back passers.

Syrup will put a hurtin' on you if you aren't careful with that stuff, had an encounter with it once and my whole world slowed down... for two whole days. Never have I tried something, went to bed, woke up and still felt the 'ish! I gotta admit I was a little bugged out about it. I guess it's better than doing "boat".

Posted by: RedDMV | January 7, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM

An interesting theory of labor economics, 4th. How do people ever get hired in the first place? When the economy is growing does it give rich people an excuse to hire, claiming that the payroll needs to be increased?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno are entering the draft. That makes our odds of picking quality offensive linemen with our paltry picks that much the better.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick paid his debt to society, so he should not be denied an opportunity to make a living.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

thunder--Keep repeating the mantra: best player available, best player available. If either of those dudes falls to 13th, then he won't fall to 14th. Only chance is a draft where all the eligible players are linemen. No QB's, no RB's, no WR's (especially not WR's), no punters, etc. Then we'd come away with four linemen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

You know, just when I'm starting to think, maybe I've been too hard on Jasno this past year he pulls some isht out his @zz like that last post. I mean Eddie Royal a big receiver?, D.J. (ouch my got dam knee) Hackett, are you serious?

That statement about DT wanting time away from football, umm can we get a 'source ' on that, cause I never heard of it.

As much as I HATE Vinny, I appreciate objective, value add reporting, and you sir are starting the new year like you ended the last one. You are still awful.
Peace to Cindy B. Out.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 7, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

When the economy is growing does it give rich people an excuse to hire, claiming that the payroll needs to be increased?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:54 PM
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Tulip bulbs need plenty of gardeners. (Now, not so much.)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh and F Mike VIck, free Jason Reid!

Posted by: Predator48 | January 7, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Then we'd come away with four linemen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:58 PM
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I expect that we will come away with 4 linemen.

We have 4 picks, do we not?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Then we'd come away with four linemen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:58 PM
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I expect that we will come away with 4 linemen.

We have 4 picks, do we not?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Nah, you'll pick up another WR or TE...

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | January 7, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys cut Pacman Jones, but the release doesn't become effective until February 9.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, the notorious 'Blog Owner' lets this get through.

A response to the "moe, why move Carlos Rogers for picks" was swallowed by forces greater than Jasno.

The gist of it was that, yes, Carlos is valuable--and probably won't be moved--but that I'd like to see an honest and serious attempt by the FO to fix the Redskins offense.

It's been a broken unit for mor years than I can remember.

Remember: it's a passing league and you can also beat teams by scoring points. The Skins had a good defense this past season, and ultimately, it meant nothing.

If moving one guy allows you to get some help on the offense, I'm all for it.

It would be nice to see the team win 34-21 occasionally instead of 10-7 or 13-10 usually.

Can anyone remember the last time the Redskins won consecutive games by scoring more than 28 points?

Am I the only one who watches other teams' offense and silently admire how they can march down field multiple times and get more than long field goals out of it?

All any fan wants is what the best for his team. Maybe moving some of what players that have value is a way to start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 7, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Nah, you'll pick up another WR or TE...

Adam
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You make bunny cry.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

+++While I believe some people should have second chances (Mike Vick), this Pacman d-bag is a complete turd who doesn't deserve to play another game in the NFL.+++


My dog would like a word with you. Outside.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

If Mike Vick comes back into the NFL, what does he do?

Slot receiver? Kick returner? Defensive back? Punt returner?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 7, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

+++When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM

An interesting theory of labor economics, 4th. How do people ever get hired in the first place? When the economy is growing does it give rich people an excuse to hire, claiming that the payroll needs to be increased?

Posted by: talent_evaluator++

T_E

Big fan of Right Wing Snarkiness that I am, i appreciate the Ol' switcheroo approach to humor, but you know damn well he's right.

Unles of course you're speaking up for the underrepresented faction of the Wealthy, who just LOOOOVVVEEE to share their money with the Have-Nots of the world--you know, like Walmart honchos.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

If Mike Vick comes back into the NFL, what does he do?

Slot receiver? Kick returner? Defensive back? Punt returner?
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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 7, 2009 9:47 PM |
Redskins GM and racquetball player. Upgrade - upgrade.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Vick should play a season in Canada to show people he still has some chops(foot speed) as a player.

The Dolphins ganja smokaholic Ricky Williams--memba him?--did that to show he still had skills and now, with money, owns a small portion of the islan of Jamaica...

...for farming purposes I've heard...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 7, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | January 7, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | January 7, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm by no means a PETA supporter, but saying Mike Vick deserves a second chance(which he'll probably get) is comical and sad.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 7, 2009 7:12 PM

Why? Do you take hold a dog's life to the same or higher standard than human life?

So you def beleive MArvin Harrison shouldn't be allowed back in the NFL, right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Snyderatto wasn't laid off. They're in non- football related areas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM

An interesting theory of labor economics, 4th. How do people ever get hired in the first place? When the economy is growing does it give rich people an excuse to hire, claiming that the payroll needs to be increased?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2009 8:54 PM

The thing is all companies aren't hit by the recession.

So how are the Redskins affected? They have 6/7 different TV shows, 2nd Most valuable franchise in the US. And so on.....

When the economy is on the up, companies hire the minumnum # of employees to survive in a growin company.

As I have observed through this reccession, they then chopped off more than they originally had even though the #s coming in are flat.....

But you can chalk that up to captilism 101. The only person that matters in the business are the owner(s)..

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

But you can chalk that up to captilism 101. The only person that matters in the business are the owner(s)..

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 10:25 PM
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Pre-paid phone cards are no longer the future, so now we must rip off the fans for parking.

Roll the tumbrels, it's time for a revolution.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting a little fond of Duke Robinson.

Posted by: kost52 | January 7, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

value of life: human vs dog

i say take it on case by case basis...

ted bundy vs rin tin tin.....edge dog

vinny cerrato vs kennell club best in show...edge human in tight battle

my daughter vs the pound...bomb the kennell

vick vs angry pit bull...may best mammal win


Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

vick vs angry pit bull...may best mammal win


Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2009 10:50 PM
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How about Dick Cheney versus an angry, rabid hamster?

Bite hard, hamster! Kick his SJK!

(Sez eye)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

thunder, vick would be coveted. not like a starting qb coveted but as a helluva back up and someone that can run wildcate offense to perfection. would love to see him in wildcat. also if todd collins can make $2 mil a year why not $3 mil for vick. i say he should either go to the bears, detroit or miami.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 7, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

QB is the face of the franchise in so many ways. It's hard to imagine that someone is out there waiting to take the PR hit when it comes out that they're considering bringing Vick in.
Maybe if you spin him as a slash-type player... even if he eventually gets back under center. Bit I wouldn't put a lot of money on a bet that we'll see him on the field again.

Posted by: daggar | January 8, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

On the WR "discussion" from earlier: it's real easy to point to Royal in hindsight -- whether he's big or not -- but show me a 2008 WR draft ranking that has him above Thomas and Kelly.
I'm using scout.com at this point -- because they go back several years. It's one opinion out there, clearly there are others, but most sites don't seem to save last years' stuff forever.
So scout.com had four WR/TE rated "five star" prospects. Link Here
#1 WR #16 overall D. Thomas
#2 WR #17 overall M. Kelly
#3 WR #30 overall M. "Mary Jane" Manningham
#1 TE #20 overall F. Davis

So I don't know how big their "crack research staff" is, but the overall list looks vaguely like the actual draft...

Posted by: daggar | January 8, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the dislike for ARE? Is it the contract? The punt returns? Or is it expectations? He was brought here as a 3rd WR/Punt returner and paid a king's ransom for it and has fizzled as punt returner but has become a decent receiver.

Sure, we just get rid of 50 catches a year because someone else can make those catches. David Patten, Taylor Jacobs, and Brandon Lloyd didn't. Maybe Thomas and Kelly will get those 50 plus the 50 we expect from them.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 8, 2009 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if you spin him as a slash-type player... even if he eventually gets back under center. Bit I wouldn't put a lot of money on a bet that we'll see him on the field again.

Posted by: daggar | January 8, 2009 12:43 AM

The guy would be a killer in Miami's wildcat offense. And now tht Pacman's out of Dallas, Jerry Jones has an opening for another outcast drama queen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2009 5:47 AM | Report abuse

Hey JLC you're an idiot, that WR post just shows you do very little research, and don't know much about football.

Again until I see something from a real reporter about Thomas being a problem I will not get upset about it. Never heard a coach say he was a problem, never heard another player say he was a problem.

The WR's coach and Zorn need to take some of the blame for the young WR's, they need to be able to coach them up, if students are failing the teacher is normally to blame.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone read SI's all pro & all disappointment team? We had zero all pros from King and 4 disappointments from Banks: m. Washington, JT, D.hall & S. Suisham. I understand the first three but don't you need to have an expectation of success for suisham in order for his year to be disappointing?

Posted by: will_ga | January 8, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/grimm_truth/2009/01/bailing-out-the.html

Wow....

Rich people also can use their bailout money to but NFL teams!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 8, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Anyone read SI's all pro & all disappointment team? We had zero all pros from King and 4 disappointments from Banks: m. Washington, JT, D.hall & S. Suisham. I understand the first three but don't you need to have an expectation of success for suisham in order for his year to be disappointing?

Posted by: will_ga | January 8, 2009 6:51 AM

This dude obviously does not like DHall. He called him an underacheiver even with the redskins.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 8, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the dislike for ARE? Is it the contract? The punt returns? Or is it expectations?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 8, 2009 4:49 AM

All of the above. For me though, it's primarily the fact that he runs around in circles and falls down for a loss of 3 yards on every punt return. If that's all it takes to return punts in the NFL, my 2 year-old daughter runs in circles REALLY well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 8, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

This dude obviously does not like DHall. He called him an underacheiver even with the redskins.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 8, 2009 6:58 AM

SI writers are idiots anyway. I know he got burned a few times in Oakland, but how a guy with 5 picks is a disappointment is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 8, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

When I saw this post yesterday, I was excited to see that Smith is leaving this team........ Then I found out that it isn't Danny Smith....

Before some of you guys say anything about him being well respected throughout the league,.... just look at where our Special Teams have been ranked the past few years.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 8, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"The WR's coach and Zorn need to take some of the blame for the young WR's, they need to be able to coach them up, if students are failing the teacher is normally to blame."

Posted by: Flounder21

We can also spread blame around to the agents who don't stress to their players the fact that NFL training camps are not actually for getting into shape but for learning the system that your offense will be using for the year. We can also blame the parents, teachers, role models in the rookie's past life who did not develop maturity prior to the age of 21 or even basic life skills. We can blame whomever you wish. We can even restate the purpose of the draft of 08 by saying that we actually did not intend for these players to really contribute in 08 and that second round draft picks don't mean what you actually think they mean anyways. We can dance around the subject anyway you want but it sure seems that we spent our top three picks of the 08 draft on three players who did not measure up to the expectations of the team and fans last season.

Posted by: driley | January 8, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

JT I can understand being a disappointment, however he was hurt for a time, but the others? Sorry, he lost me there?? What had Suisham done previously?? I guess I missed that one. And sure hall wasn't good in Oakland, but he turned that around in DC. Eh, whateves...Banks has always held something against the Redskins.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 8, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Well Suisham had a lot to live up to after that 100 yard field goal he nailed in the offseason...

F Banks

Posted by: chrislarry | January 8, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Alls I can say is that without Rennie Simmons, What's-His-Name Smith, Leigh Torrence and Eddie Royal, oh and a back-up center we're doomed.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 8, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I listened to the comments made by Portis on the JT show yesterday, as I missed them on Tuesday. Whoever was updating left a lot out.

He really called out Zorn, he said the offensive collapse had nothing to do with the O-Line said it was a complete change of scheme from run to pass.

He also said that at 6-2 and with Stump doing a great job as RB coach, someone above Stump (IE Zorn) started telling the RB's how to run and how to hit holes, and basically just started trying to fix something that was'nt broken.

With his comments about his yards he was describing more the change of scheme than whining about not getting 1500, he said I got 1000 after 8 games and could not get 500 the rest of the season, pointing to the change of philosophy to the pass.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

FYI, I just read the WR Position Post.
I typically don't "disagree" a lot or pick at every word JLa writes, but I was "Floored" with him calling Eddie Royal a "BIG Target"...... he's the same size as ARE. I think Eddie is 5'10" and probably not even 180 lbs.

Not to mention our O-line gave up 3 TIMES AS MANY SACKS........38 - 12.. Where was that in the POST???

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 8, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

OUR OFFENSIVE LINE 38 SACKS
DENVER BRONCOS 12 SACKS
3 TIMES AS MANY SACKS

Maybe that's the reason ROYAL HAD 3 TIMES AS MANY CATCHES AS OUR ROOKIES???

Sorry my previous post wasn't clear or well written.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 8, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

flound, I think CP is a little short sighted in his assessment of the offense. I think a combination of things, teams adjusting to the redskins run game, being the most noticable, injuries along the line, offensive stagnance...I think CP is frustrated, and blaming the coach is the easy way out.

Sometimes CP would be better served shutting up, and pointing the finger at himself.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 8, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

There will be no production (or development) of these wide receivers until this team has a REAL wide receivers coach. Stan Hixon is a major problem, and simply is not an NFL-caliber receivers coach.

We need somebody like Jerry Sullivan from SF.

Posted by: Carl739 | January 8, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Agree, I'm not saying I buy it I'm just letting everyone know what he said.

This team has many problems and not just with the talent level.

I would do a complete house cleaning I know most don't agree, but this team wins nothing until it is done.

Snyder needs to bring a hard nosed GM in here and give him complete control, and this team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

I would take 3 years of 0-16 if it meant a consistent playoff team in year 4 with a shot at the SB.

If this team continues on the path it is now they will win around 8-10 games a year but they will never win a SB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Today a New Spring league has its draft for its 8 teams with one in So.VA. I am guessing LittleBrotherVick ends up playing there. PacMan ends up playing on the leagues Texas Team

Posted by: alex35332 | January 8, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

There will be no production (or development) of these wide receivers until this team has a REAL wide receivers coach. Stan Hixon is a major problem, and simply is not an NFL-caliber receivers coach.

We need somebody like Jerry Sullivan from SF.

Posted by: Carl739 | January 8, 2009 8:37 AM |

Carl,

Come on it is not the coaches, they are not supposed to actually have to coach. It's all Vinny for drafting them our it is all there fault for showing up out of shape.

If they were out of shape and they had a good coach believe me they would have gotten into shape very quickly, or died trying.

If they still can not run proper routes that is all coaching, they were'nt rated the best WR's in the draft because they could'nt play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

From, PFT

REPORT: PIOLI, BROWNS NEVER “NEGOTIATED”
Posted by Mike Florio on January 8, 2009, 8:35 a.m. EST
As Browns fans try to figure out precisely how it came to be that Scott Pioli isn’t the team’s G.M. and Eric Mangini is the head coach, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer addresses those rampants reports of “outrageous demands” Pioli made to Browns owner Randy Lerner.

(And the reports really were rampant. On Sunday, we think ESPN’s Chris Mortensen used the phrase “extreme demands” more than he used the words “the” or “and.”)

Citing “multiple sources close to the situation,” Cabot reports that the rumors and reports of such demands are and were “absolutely false.”

Cabot also reports that the talks between Lerner and Pioli were more “exploratory” in nature than actual negotiations.

And, further confirming that Lerner has the process of building a competitive football team bass-ackward, Cabot reports that Lerner decided that it was more important to hire a head coach before hiring a G.M.

It also could be that the “exploratory” talks between Lerner and Pioli included a list of the head coaches that Pioli would like to consider hiring — and that none of those candidates excited Lerner.

Regardless, Lerner hired a new coach only nine days after firing his old coach, at a time when his new coach was drawing no interest for any of the other four vacancies. (We know that there are five other vacancies, but we assume that the Jets wouldn’t have interviewed Mangini.)

So as to the folks who are reminding us of our past statement that Mangini’s role in Spygate would disqualify him from further employment in the NFL, this development confirms the reality that, even if 31 NFL teams say “hell no,” all that matters is whether one says, “heck yes.”

Lerner’s affinity for Mangini also might have been influenced by the fact that the Browns owner lives in New York, where Mangini had been the head football coach of one of the area’s two NFL teams for the past three years.

So like the Costanza “By Mennen” germ, it could be that Lerner found himself drawn to Mangini in part because Mangini has been such a prominent fixture in Lerner’s home market.

Back to Pioli, it’s still unknown whether he’ll be leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs. For now, though, it seems fairly clear that those are the only two options for the nine-year member of the Pats’ front office.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder, I'm not defending Kelly or Thomas....I'm just saying that regardless of talent we brought in, there would be little in the way of teaching them the intricacies of the position, like how to beat certain coverages, etc. I think Blache even had a little comment about having respect for Sullivan because of what he constantly (and effectively) taught receivers. I really don't think we have that kind of teaching here.

Of course i'm hoping like heck that we seem something different next season.

Posted by: Carl739 | January 8, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

beep beep, good morning. back from a day off. combined those tccls i was given with my post points and went a little nuts.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 8, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"I'm glad Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno are entering the draft. That makes our odds of picking quality offensive linemen with our paltry picks that much the better.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya "

Knowshon Rockwell Moreno is projected to go after we pick, around 17-20, but it doesn't hurt to have a top-10 caliber player there for someone ahead of us.

Personally, I'd like to see Detroit take Staff and Knowshon. If those two can lead UGA to zero division/conference/national championships, just think of what they'll do together in the NFL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 8, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

How True!!! I wonder if we will ever see this headline: Due to the Economic downturn, the Redskins have elected to go with a 35 man roster instead of the mandatory 53.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 8, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

18 years with the skins... jlc, you call yourself a reporter!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Nooo! Not Rennie he's my golf buddy. (he says I'm coachable)

Posted by: hodd | January 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Ease up on Stan Hixson he had Kid&Play(Kelly&Thomas) to deal with during the season its a miracle the guy's not a babbling idiot!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

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