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Report: Gray hired to coach Seahawks' defensive backs

Jerry Gray has accepted a position to coach the Seattle Seahawks' defensive backs, according to an ESPN.com report.

With Gray as its coach, the Redskins' secondary spent much of the 2009 season ranked among the NFL's best pass defenses. The Redskins finished the season tied for eighth in pass yards allowed but were tied for 26th in interceptions. Gray spent four seasons with the Redskins and was a top lieutenant of former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gray was a favorite among players, too, and with some in the front office, but his tenure with the Redskins ended with a bit of a cloud above it. Late in the season, Gray interviewed for Jim Zorn's job weeks before Zorn was removed from the position. While that perturbed many inside and outside the organization, Gray still had his backers around Redskins Park. When Mike Shanahan took over as head coach, Gray was given a chance to interview for the defensive coordinator spot.

The Redskins instead hired Jim Haslett as coordinator and are expected to announce Bob Slowik as an assistant, likely in charge of the secondary.

By Rick Maese  |  January 18, 2010; 1:38 PM ET
 
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Great Scott! A new thread!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray takes a step downward.
Perhaps Lesson that should be learned?
Jerry, when you interview for your head coach's job, the next head coach that comes to town is NOT going to make you his Co-ordinator.
See ya, Jerry!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This post also conveniently omits the fact that Gray tried to get a college coaching job, but finished second in that competition too.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

how is this news???

Posted by: MGDMaster21 | January 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if the DB's in Seattle turn in to a bunch of undisciplined knuckleheads who don't catch, tackle, stay in position or give a d@mn.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray takes a step downward.
Perhaps Lesson that should be learned?
Jerry, when you interview for your head coach's job, the next head coach that comes to town is NOT going to make you his Co-ordinator.
See ya, Jerry!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse
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More an indictment of the Rooney Rule, in my book. If you are going to start interviewing candidates that aren't qualified, you are going to expose those candidates.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I do get it both ways because there is no fact that says Grossman was ever good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Of course not.

Because in the PA universe, you rationalize those facts away with a predictable canned "you can't attribute any of that success to him because other people were good" response.


You know what PA?

I'm a perfect parent.

When my kids are good it's a reflection of me.

Of course when my kids misbehave it's a reflection of their mother.

And by that little trickery of logic, there are absolutely no facts to suggest that I'm anything less than a perfect parent.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I could use a second income.

Will the Washington Post pay me a salary to post links of "according to an espn.com report" ????

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

looks like things ended up alright for Gray.

I'm interested in seeing where Zorn ends up next.

I can't see him being given play calling at the NFL level. Maybe as a HC at the college level?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

More an indictment of the Rooney Rule, in my book. If you are going to start interviewing candidates that aren't qualified, you are going to expose those candidates.

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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Hey Matt,
No argument from me on your point.
Rooney Rule or no Rooney Rule:
Aren't all interviews are a double edge sword?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok, p1 vs PA, give it a rest, guys. Both of you are better than dikkin around over semantics.

Deep breath... take the gloves off.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in seeing where Zorn ends up next.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM

Maybe Sherman Smith has a place for Zorn on his staff. Or riding bikes w/Dubyah.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Ok, p1 vs PA, give it a rest, guys. Both of you are better than dikkin around over semantics.

Deep breath... take the gloves off.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:01 PM

Really. Most debates have a winner. This one has two losers.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt,
No argument from me on your point.
Rooney Rule or no Rooney Rule:
Aren't all interviews are a double edge sword?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse
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Indeed. Though I think the Rooney Rule spawns searches for these 'sacrificial lamb' types - guys who appear plausible on the surface, but then can be swept under the carpet without dispute.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand what the big deal is. This is all business, and I hope Zorn and Gray mutually understood that. The man was just trying to move up. Why is it becoming a personal issue?

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

And by that little trickery of logic, there are absolutely no facts to suggest that I'm anything less than a perfect parent.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse


Grossman had a crappier competion percentage, crappier QB rating, crappier TD/INT ratio, and fumbles more than JC but if you think that's a trickery in logic then I could see why you're having such a hard time with this. Just don't tilt your head back before you swallow your drool. I wouldn't want you to drown.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why would that make a "ton" of sense when the coaching staff would have to teach JC17 an entirely new offense from scratch only to replace him a year later?

Wouldn't it make a "ton" more sense to bring in a backup-type vet who already knows the Shanny offense (Carr, Grossman, Ramsey) to play for a year, and then he can become backupQB/tutor for the new guy?

Posted by: p1funk | January 18,
2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

He has learned like 8 different offenses in his career, that has to count for something, right? Joking.....

Signing him to a low dollar one year contract is beneficial for a couple reasons. If someone really wants him and grabs him up after our offer, we get a draft pick/s.

Is he a "franchise QB" or "The Chosen One", no, but would he make a good back-up in case of injury, yes.

I see signing him back as a way to try to get draft picks, before he goes elsewhere.
If we dont sign him and he leaves we dont get a thing.

However, it could bite us in the arse if we offer him a low dollar contract, he takes it, and no other team wants him. Then sadly he is still here.

I dont see him signing a low dollar/low term contract. He wants to get paid and for more than a 2-3 year deal.

If he insists on a long term contract, are the Campbell supporters still so intent on keeping him? Knowing it could hurt us in the future years?

If its me personally, if he wants anything more than a year, he has to go. He hasnt proved to me to be anything more that someone who can take a hit. He might want to take up boxing.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Grossman had a crappier competion percentage, crappier QB rating, crappier TD/INT ratio, and fumbles more than JC but if you think that's a trickery in logic then I could see why you're having such a hard time with this. Just don't tilt your head back before you swallow your drool. I wouldn't want you to drown.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

So tired of this discussion, p1 JC is better than Grossman. PA stats don't tell the whole story especially when the QB whose stats you are lauding has won 35% of his games, throws 80% of his passes less than 10 yards, 30% behind the line of scrimmage, and more often then not this season he got the majority of his yards and points when the game was not in doubt in terms of win loss. Both of you shut it and just wait and see what Shanny will do cause you've beaten the conversation to death 3 hours ago.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Sherman Smith has a place for Zorn on his staff. Or riding bikes w/Dubyah.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I think the Florida UFL team has a HC opening.

Maybe he could go down there and bring Vinny on-board as his GM.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | January 18, 2010 1:32 PM

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Steelers had an ILB coach and an OLB. With HAYslett running the show, he could be using that model.


Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in seeing where Zorn ends up next.

I can't see him being given play calling at the NFL level. Maybe as a HC at the college level?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse
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I think he lost a lot of credibility here. Some of the vets saying that he didn't have control of the locker room (for whatever reason) and that he didn't implement practice of situational football are pretty damming.

I thought Zorn deserved another year simply because he had to work with stupidhead Vinny and the roster rot that was a ticking time bomb. Sure, he would have had to evaluate himself and make some changes, but if by year two he hadn't implemented practicing short yardage, goaline, etc on a team that suffered in those departments... That's his own fault.

I'm more curious what scum will deal with Vinny now that he's not in DS's panties anymore.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Fine then, Avatar was a great movie and I'd do Megan Fox is hot with her nasty big toe looking thumbs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Fine then, Avatar was a great movie and I'd do Megan Fox is hot with her nasty big toe looking thumbs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oops, that should read Avatar was a great movie and I'd do Megan Fox. She is hot even with her nasty big toe looking thumbs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

A lot has been said about what the Skins should do with the 4th pick this year. A close examination of 2009 starting LT's indicates that they can be had almost anywhere in the draft.

12 playoff teams: Average draft position is 90th pick (3rd rd). Only two teams with top 10 selected players (NYJ & MIN). Only Green Bay allowed more than 38 team sacks in 2009(51).

More teams in the bottom ten of sacks allowed had spent a first round pick on a LT than teams that finished in the top ten of fewest sacks allowed. Six to four.

The following is a list of draft positions for current NFL LT's. The Skins most assuredly can find a decent LT in the second round in 2010 NFL draft.

Last Name Team Draft Pick Year
Bridges Arizona 185 2003
Baker Atlanta 21 2008
Gaither Baltimore 175 2007
Scott Buffalo 141 2006
Gross Carolina 8 2003
Williams Chicago 14 2008
Collins Cincinnati 112 2008
Thomas Cleveland 3 2007
Adams Dallas 38 1998
Clady Denver 12 2008
Backus Detroit 18 2001
Clifton Green Bay 44 2000
Brown Houston 26 2008
Johnson Indianapolis 199 2006
Monroe Jacksonville 8 2009
Albert Kansas City 15 2008
Long Miami 1 2008
McKinnie Minnesota 7 2002
Light New England 48 2001
Bushrod New Orleans 125 2007
Diehl New York Giants 160 2003
Ferguson New York Jets 4 2006
Henderson Oakland 91 2007
Peters Philadelphia undrafted --
Starks Pittsburgh 75 2004
McNeill San Diego 50 2006
Staley San Francisco 28 2007
Jones Seattle 6 1997
Smith St. Louis 2 2009
Penn Tampa Bay undrafted --
Roos Tennessee 41 2005
Samuels Washington 3 2000

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

So we are replacing Gray with Slowik. What a improvement...NOT

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 18, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

So tired of this discussion, p1 JC is better than Grossman. PA stats don't tell the whole story especially when the QB whose stats you are lauding has won 35% of his games, throws 80% of his passes less than 10 yards, 30% behind the line of scrimmage, and more often then not this season he got the majority of his yards and points when the game was not in doubt in terms of win loss. Both of you shut it and just wait and see what Shanny will do cause you've beaten the conversation to death 3 hours ago.

Posted by: zjfr2

Thank you zjfr2....this Grossman talk is such BS. I mean if dude could play then he would still be starting in the Chi. But he sucks...and as you said this Sh!t is getting old already

Posted by: jcnjcnj | January 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse


Best part of that list, Jeremy Bridges cut by us in training camp went to Arizona and started for them at left tackle.....I'd like to say that indicates how bad AZ's oline was but somehow I think that says more about the former decision makers in Ashburn....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here an ESPNinsider subscriber?

I saw something about B.Marshall going to Dallas. I don't see how you get Williams, Marshall, Austin, and Witten the amount of targets to keep them all happy.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


Ask him who he'd like on our roster to swap with his...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 1:15 PM

That was not the question. The question was how can anyone expect a QB to perform well under the types of circumstances described. BR had similar issues as JC to deal with and performed signicantly better.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse
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The only thing they have in common is a high sack number, and that stems more from BRs style than the line dropping blitzers in his lap all game. You go position by position, the Steelers have a better team than the Skins have fielded in any of the last 4 years.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 1:45 PM

The Steelers went 9 and 7 with BR. Could they have won 9 games with JC? While we will never know, I seriously doubt it. They got great play at the QB position and it translated into wins (obviously IMO).

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

So we are replacing Gray with Slowik. What a improvement...NOT

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 18, 2010 2:20 P

It could be Steve Jackson as well. IMO I'm hoping for someone like Dennis Thurman or Darren Perry, but they'd have to pry him away from the Jets and Packers respectively.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@ tramellcanady

That's a wee bit misleading, because a number of those guys are backups. Jeremy Bridges with the Cards, for example, and the Chicago Bears had Orlando Pace go down.

Not sure how that affects the overall numbers, but you do have some injury rotation there. I thought Oher was LT in Baltimore but moved to RT for injury, too, but I may be wrong there.

Anyway, the point is, that list is week 17 starters, not week 1 starters, so you'd have to assume there are at least a couple on that list who aren't the 'optimal pick' if you will.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Marshall the missing ingredient?
2:15PM ET
Brandon Marshall | Broncos | Interested: Cowboys?, Patriots?, Bengals?, Seahawks?, Redskins?, Ravens?
Top Email

There's been ongoing speculation that Brandon Marshall has played his last snap for the Denver Broncos. While ESPN.com's Bill Williamson thinks he could re-join Mike Shanahan in Washington, his ESPN.com colleague Mike Sando didn't rule out the possibility that Marshall would be sent to the Seahawks during a SportsNation chat on Thursday.

Anyone else? Speculation here, but we know the Ravens and Patriots could both be looking to upgrade, and Darrin Washington of Bleacher Report thinks the Bengals could be a match. The Bengals do have a need for a wideout opposite Chad Ochocinco as Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer notes on Sunday, but we're not sure Marvin Lewis would want to take on another player with character issues.

Will another team on the cusp of greatness get involved? The Dallas Cowboys showed flashes of dominance this season, but didn't get what they needed out of Roy Williams: a true No. 1 WR. Again, this is speculative, but why wouldn't the Cowboys -- who have many pieces in place -- try to land Marshall? Folks have blasted his off-field persona, but he's been a monster on the gridiron, with no dip in performance this season even after all the offseason bitterness.

Calvin Watkins

Williams did not deliver in 2009

"Williams was supposed to be the No. 1 wideout on this team, but Miles Austin surpassed him as a target Romo trusts. Patrick Crayton, the No. 3 receiver, finished with more receiving yards (622) than Williams. Jason Witten, the veteran tight end, led the team in catches (94) and yards (1,030) this year."

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

So we are replacing Gray with Slowik. What a improvement...NOT

Posted by: ATLredskin

Agreed...Gray wasn't the reason our DB's bite double moves..he like all the coaches in the NFL know what other player and teams like to do. they study each other..and besides the DB's have to be smarter..He not the reason they drop int's..it the DB who has to catch those and as far as tackling..i said this before you have to have Heart to tackle and coaches can't teach Heart. So I just think we lost a good coach for nothing.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | January 18, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Donte' Stallworth is on the verge of being reinstated by the NFL.

I'm hearing that after the Super Bowl, commissioner Roger Goodell will reinstate disgraced wide receiver Donte' Stallworth so that he'll be able to sign with any NFL team in 2010.

Discuss.........

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers went 9 and 7 with BR. Could they have won 9 games with JC? While we will never know, I seriously doubt it. They got great play at the QB position and it translated into wins (obviously IMO).

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse
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I think JC would have had a better shot at 9-7 with the Steelers than BR would have had with the Redskins. But it is all opinion, and I don't think it's fair to pin BRs sacks on his Oline.

You don't hear about the Steelers having to take everything but 3 step drops outta the playbook because they have no chance of blocking for it, as an example.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 18, 2010 2:32 PM

I'd pass

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks.

In other words Marshall could end up anywhere.

The link I saw made it sound like Dallas had been talking about signing him.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Donte' Stallworth is on the verge of being reinstated by the NFL.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 18, 2010 2:32 PM

Dan Snyder tried to trade up to get Stallworth when he was coming out of college but couldn't make the deal.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Best part of that list, Jeremy Bridges cut by us in training camp went to Arizona and started for them at left tackle.....I'd like to say that indicates how bad AZ's oline was but somehow I think that says more about the former decision makers in Ashburn....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse
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No kidding. Before filling in at LT, he filled in at RG and got good reviews. Gee, I could have sworn there was a team in the news around here that could have used a RG/LT...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the 'pukes, loved the beat down they received over the weekend.

Got the December monkey off their back
Got the playoff monkey off their back
Ah, but that better team monkey... that'll get you every time!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Will the Washington Post pay me a salary to post links of "according to an espn.com report" ????

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 18, 2010 1:58 PM

No. But if you drop the blowhard routine and make with the pizza you could earn a tip.

Posted by: mack1 | January 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Donte' Stallworth is on the verge of being reinstated by the NFL.

I'm hearing that after the Super Bowl, commissioner Roger Goodell will reinstate disgraced wide receiver Donte' Stallworth so that he'll be able to sign with any NFL team in 2010.

Discuss.........

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't think he's a bad guy overall. Made a bad decision.

Wouldn't be opposed to signing him if the numbers are right.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the 'pukes, loved the beat down they received over the weekend.

Got the December monkey off their back
Got the playoff monkey off their back
Ah, but that better team monkey... that'll get you every time!


Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


I watched the last 5 minutes of that game in slow-mo. I enjoyed seeing the look of dejection on Romo and Jerry Jones faces. It was awesome.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

No kidding. Before filling in at LT, he filled in at RG and got good reviews. Gee, I could have sworn there was a team in the news around here that could have used a RG/LT...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Nah, we had D'Anthony somebody or other, Mike half the man he used to be Williams, Chad not so Rhino-hart, Edwin I thought I was supposed to snap the ball Williams, and Will this aint Va Tech anymore Montegomery. Even Levi Jones wonders why we cut a guy in his mid 20's with starting experience at guard and tackle in training camp and waited until week 8 to sign him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Can't really say DC is a character haven which can manage/rehabilitate a bad egg at this point. So I'd rather just focus on rebuilding the nest for a bit before we introduce a wild card kinda guy.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Anyone here an ESPNinsider subscriber?

I saw something about B.Marshall going to Dallas. I don't see how you get Williams, Marshall, Austin, and Witten the amount of targets to keep them all happy.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

WOW. What a mistake that would be. Jerry Jones trying to "fix" a team problem with an individual.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

jeremy bridges LT at Arizona is surprising but what's even more surprising is Cody Glenn is a freaking LB on the Indianapolis Peytons!

Posted by: narielnasl | January 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The secondary was ranked among the best in pass defense because opponents so rarely had to pass. It's the same reason the defense didn't give up many yards, because opposing teams were perpetually playing on short fields. Rarely did an opponent have to drive 70 or 80 yards.

Posted by: tkoho | January 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to catch up but then wanted to tear out my eyeballs. New thread, ahhhhhhhh.

skins930 and skinsGM, thanks for the girls blog link yesterday. I felt like Cartman after he fed Scott Tenorman's parents to him in the chili: "Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears! Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet! Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! Mm-yummy, you guys!"

One last thing about JC that is slurper/hater neutral: For all we know, Shanahan could have said, "We admire your gritty play and think you could do well here but can't make any promises, do you want to stay or go? I'll find a good place for you to land and make it happen if that's what you want, tell me what you want to do." He did something like this with CP, he could do it again. Could explain JC's improved outlook.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

WOW. What a mistake that would be. Jerry Jones trying to "fix" a team problem with an individual.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse
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I don't want to see Marshall in the ugly Stars. Sheesh, we can't cover they guys they got now. Of course, they do need to address their line, so in the respect that it might put 'playoff goggle's' on their roster, I'm all for it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Per my last post, I wouldn't say it was a team problem, but a problem of Jerry Jones (aka The Crypt Keeper) micro managing his coaches. Here's hoping *fingers crossed* that Snyder has finally changed.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow, if I had but known back in week 5 or 6, i forget now, that all the trouble that i had started with the breakdown of why Soup was not a very good WCO type of QB, I would have foregone with that evaluation.

As i pointed out then on a scale of 1-10:

Accuracy 0-10 yds - 8
Accuracy 10 - 20 yds - 6
Accuracy 20 + yds - 3
Ability to read defenses - 3
Pocket presence - 3
Ability to recognize blitz's and change Blocking assignments/change play - 3
Protect the ball (int/fumbles) - 6
Ability to get team to believe that you can put the game on his shoulders and he would win - 3
Enthusiasm - 3
Studying habits - understanding what the game film/pictures are telling you - ?
Footwork - 5
Intangibles - 3

That is what he was after a 6-2 start and continued to be the same until the finish of 2009 season. If he has a decent OL (of which we had) and a very good running game he can manage a game. But my opinion is that he could not take over a game and just outright win it. There are always going to be 3-5 games a year when that happens if you have a top 2-3 running game and I just don't see it.

That has been and still is my 2 cents worth on the need for a QB.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That should have been back in week 5-6 of 2008.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. From http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/01/18/mccoy-bryant-top-underclassmen-in-nfl-draft

1. Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy — A strong, disruptive, explosive inside rusher who has been dominating the college football scene since he stepped onto the field, McCoy has warranted higher grades from NFL evaluators than Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and stands a legitimate chance to be the first overall pick in the NFL draft.

If McCoy goes #1. Then Suh would most assuredly would go #2. That would put the Bucs looking to trade back at #3. Say the Bucs pick at #3, they should go defense which would most likely mean Berry. That would leave the Skins with Okung,Clausen,Bradford with the 4 immediate teams behind them needing a QB. The Skins would be in great position to trade back and still get Okung or one of the QBs .

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Loyalty goes a long way in most relationships. Disloyalty is usually shown the door. Jerry Gray - pack those bags - you're moving to the other side of the country.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

twisi,

The Lions need a LT they will most likely take Okung, if he is there at 5 he will be taken by KC.

The Lions have a young franshise QB they don't want him to get hurt every year so Okung is there guy.

They need defensive help as well but LT is there biggest need.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Keith Brooking = whiny b*tch

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If the DB's give huge cushions and can't catch interceptions, then we'll know it was him all along.

Posted by: kahlua87 | January 18, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

JC stats first 8 games 2008 (6-2)

NYG (L) - 15-27-133-1-0
NO (W) - 24-36-321-1-0
AZ (W) - 23-31-204-2-0
DAL (W) - 20-31-231-2-0
PHI (W) - 17-30-194-1-0
STL (L) - 18-26-208-0-0
CLE (W) - 14-23-164-1-0
DET (W) - 23-28-328-1-0

Not HOF numbers but pretty decent especially 9 TDs and 0 Ints. And of course after this the wheels came off the bus and the whole team fell apart.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 1:42 PM

What about his 43 other starts?

Posted by: Realness1 | January 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I agree that the Lions should go LT with their first pick. If Suh goes #1, I think they will pick Okung at #2. However, if Suh is there at #2 I think the Lions draft him not only based on his ability, but also about name recognition to the fanbase in St. Louis. As far as KC goes, I was thinking more on the line of Dez Bryant for them, but you Okung/#1 rated OT would make sense their as well.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Loyalty goes a long way in most relationships. Disloyalty is usually shown the door. Jerry Gray - pack those bags - you're moving to the other side of the country.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 18, 2010 3:22 PM

This whole line of thinking (or not) is for the truly backwards. First off, does anyone really believe that Gray didn't first tell Zorn, "They want to interview me for your job." to which Zorn replied "You should do what's best for you."

Second, don't you think that Bruce Allen had interviewed for Vinny's job before Vinny was fired?

Sheesh, this is the real world, not a college fraternity.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The Lions need a LT they will most likely take Okung, if he is there at 5 he will be taken by KC.

The Lions have a young franshise QB they don't want him to get hurt every year so Okung is there guy.

They need defensive help as well but LT is there biggest need.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Jim Schwartz loves Backus.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100107/SPORTS01/1070418/

They pin most of the sacks on other players. They're saying he is blocking who he is supposed to block. If this is all a smoke screen to disguise their interest in Okung then they'll have a tough time getting Backus to play out his contract at left guard. He's already said he won't move inside.

I think the Lions will opt to take one of the D tackles. Right now they are starting Gravy Jackson. He's a third and short specialist and that's about it. They need another starter there. Suh would be great. Between Suh, Hill, and Hunter that would be a decent dline. Thye also have decent linebackers. I could see that team coming together here in a few years.

I do agree that there is no way Okung gets passed KC. They can move Brandon Albert back to guard and fix both spots on the left side of the line with 1 pick. I'd love it if we took Okung. He is being touted as athletic enough to be a great fit in a zone blocking scheme. I think he is the right left tackle for a Shanahan line. I guess we'll find out on draft day. It's fun to discuss but we all know that nobody's mock draft is making it past the #5 pick this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell sucks like an Electrolux....,"

Actually, a Hoover does a better job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

His other 43 starts were hit or miss. What I was trying to point out is that it appears that JC would be a decent QB if the rest of the team is functioning well but he is not the type that can carry a bad team. Although in reality there are a limited number of QBs that can carry a bad team.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Great. One down, one to go. DAN SMITH don't let the door.....

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Loyalty goes a long way in most relationships. Disloyalty is usually shown the door. Jerry Gray - pack those bags - you're moving to the other side of the country.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 18, 2010 3:22 PM

This whole line of thinking (or not) is for the truly backwards. First off, does anyone really believe that Gray didn't first tell Zorn, "They want to interview me for your job." to which Zorn replied "You should do what's best for you."

Second, don't you think that Bruce Allen had interviewed for Vinny's job before Vinny was fired?

Sheesh, this is the real world, not a college fraternity.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. This is getting blown out of proportion. Nothing personal, all business.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

That would leave the Skins with Okung,Clausen,Bradford with the 4 immediate teams behind them needing a QB. The Skins would be in great position to trade back and still get Okung or one of the QBs .

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I likee.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Although in reality there are a limited number of QBs that can carry a bad team.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 3:45 PM |

You are absolutely right. But there are several out there that have fire in their eyes and are trying, when the situation dictates it. Soup, to me at least, has never shown that attitude and that is what i was trying to point out. People point to his stats all the time, but they never seem to equate to wins.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Great. One down, one to go. DAN SMITH don't let the door.....

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse
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I would love for someone to promote Danny Smith outta our organization. How does this guy keep surviving staff changes?

Somebody postulated he's got some dirt on DS, and I'm running out of other plausible explanations.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"More an indictment of the Rooney Rule, in my book. If you are going to start interviewing candidates that aren't qualified, you are going to expose those candidates."


Well, for all practical purposes, Jim Zorn was an unqualified interview/hire, and no one who hates on "unqualified" minorities getting an interview spoke out about that.

Maybe what we should indict is the double standard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What's the argument against Danny Smith?

I thought most of the knocks on the special teams were Jim Zorn's doing(i.e. keeping ARE as punt fair catcher)

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

From Jim Trotter @ SI.

HA HA!

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• Phillips: During warmups the Cowboys determined that kicker Shaun Suisham's maximum field-goal range was 45 yards. Yet on fourth-and-inches from the Minnesota 30 late in a scoreless first quarter, Phillips decided to attempt a 48-yard field goal -- even though Dallas' previous three rushes went for 8, 9 and 4 yards.

Suisham, who had missed a field goal in two of his previous three games, was wide left. Vikings players said afterward the miss was a huge play, because they sensed that it took something out of the Cowboys, who have had issues with their kickers all season. Four plays later Favre threw a 47-yard strike to Sidney Rice for the first of his four touchdown passes and a 7-0 lead Minnesota would not relinquish.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jim_trotter/01/17/cowboys.vikings/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0d03C6Wo4
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Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Grossman had a crappier competion percentage, crappier QB rating, crappier TD/INT ratio, and fumbles more than JC but if you think that's a trickery in logic then I could see why you're having such a hard time with this. Just don't tilt your head back before you swallow your drool. I wouldn't want you to drown.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Ha!

I'm tempted to take the JC17 Apologists' Creed and just apply it to Rex:

"But what about the O-line!"
"But what about the coaching"
"But what about the play-calling"
"But what about the receivers"

The only trickery of logic I'm trying to figure out is how Rex Grossman could be the starting QB for a team that went to the Superbowl, but he didn't actually quarterback that team to the Superbowl.

That'll drown anyone in their drool...

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the keeping of some coaches is because of their interviews with Shanny. Their playcalling could be the Zorn attitude of staying M...... sorry cannot say that word anymore with out getting migraines.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"If the DB's give huge cushions and can't catch interceptions, then we'll know it was him (J Gray) all along."

You are aware NFL teams have position coaches for the secondary.

I don't get how folks felt Gray was someone great in '08 but not in '09 with the same personnel.

The guy was a great player and defensive coach during his time with the bills.

He'll get himself back together in no time.

But how any unit plays overall is more of a reflection of the defensive coordinator than the specific position coach.

What's questionable about the redskins' secondary this year was:

--LL playing out of position

--Lack of press coverage

--K Barnes not getting on the field more

--Carlos Rogers just not getting it done

The tackling issue is a league-wide problem as NFL and college teams hit so rarely in practice.

Count the number of time you see NFL d-backs 'launch' and 'dive' into a runner when wrapping up and tackling is more apropos.

Plus: just how do you drill for tackling when you're afraid of guys getting hurt?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is saying that Wade Phillips will keep his job in Dallas. No word yet on Shaun Suisham. Here's hoping the Cowboys give him another chance!

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Good article on Gaines Adams' death and the problems of enlarged heart:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/david_epstein/01/18/adams/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: Samson151 | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Their playcalling could be the Zorn attitude of staying M...... sorry cannot say that word anymore with out getting migraines.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Tell me about it! It's effing with my ability to order steaks--I have to say "more than rare but less than well-done" and hope for the best.

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, for all practical purposes, Jim Zorn was an unqualified interview/hire, and no one who hates on "unqualified" minorities getting an interview spoke out about that.

Maybe what we should indict is the double standard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse
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What double standard? JZ interviewed for a position which was available. JG interviewed for a position reserved for Shanahan because of some stupid rule! Whose better off? Zorn at least has the HC experience. What's Gray have to show for this sham? Nothing!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Keith Brooking = whiny b*tch

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

Word!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 18, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Dallas Cry-Boys get killed by the Vikings was the best game of the season. Then seeing Keith Brooking crying to Farve and Childress about running the score up was hilarious. What a wimp and a punk. He's lucky that Childress didn't get really PO'ed and whip has tail. Childress may look like an accountant but he's really a tough guy and he would have punished cry baby Brooking.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

BTW if I were a GM I'd be hesitant to draft a DT, even one as great as Suh, with a top three choice. Too much risk of getting hurt. The o-linemen in the NFL are way bigger and often more athletic than what you face in college, and that can be an obstacle.

The survival rate of left tackles, however, isn't bad. Safeties like Eric Berry have an even better chance of staying in the game.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha!

I'm tempted to take the JC17 Apologists' Creed and just apply it to Rex:

"But what about the O-line!"
"But what about the coaching"
"But what about the play-calling"
"But what about the receivers"

The only trickery of logic I'm trying to figure out is how Rex Grossman could be the starting QB for a team that went to the Superbowl, but he didn't actually quarterback that team to the Superbowl.

That'll drown anyone in their drool...

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You're being deliberately obtuse so you'll never get it. Saying he quarterbacked them to the super bowl is implying that his play at QB led them to the super bowl. Using Quarterbacked as a verb implies he led the offense and saying he quarterbacked them to the super bowl implies that he led the offense that led them to the super bowl. It is in this part of the statement that I make the distinction that the offense did not lead the Bears to the super bowl. It was their special teams and defense that led them to the super bowl. Their special teams ranked #1, their defense ranked #2, their offense ranked #18 (11th in rushing and 23rd in passing), and this is the important part so tighten your safety belt....REX GROSSMAN WAS RANKED 29TH!!! He was terrible. Get over it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Then seeing Keith Brooking crying to Farve and Childress about running the score up was hilarious. What a wimp and a punk. He's lucky that Childress didn't get really PO'ed and whip has tail.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:27 PM

Brooking is neither a wimp nor a punk, but he sure acted like one yesterday.

Childress would "whip his tail"? Right. Maybe you didn't notice how the two were dressed.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Brooking is neither a wimp nor a punk, but he sure acted like one yesterday.

Childress would "whip his tail"? Right. Maybe you didn't notice how the two were dressed.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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I would imagine in certain lighting conditions that forehead could be quite a weapon...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Campbell sucks like an Electrolux....,"

Actually, a Hoover does a better job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:43 PM

And a Dyson sucks more than both and will set you back 5 hundy.

I picked one up for the maid/wife and she loves it but has yet to thank me. Go figure...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tell me about it! It's effing with my ability to order steaks--I have to say "more than rare but less than well-done" and hope for the best.

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

Well done, er well put. LMAO

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Tell me about it! It's effing with my ability to order steaks--I have to say "more than rare but less than well-done" and hope for the best.

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

At Mickey D's i have to say small or super size for everything.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And a Dyson sucks more than both and will set you back 5 hundy.

I picked one up for the maid/wife and she loves it but has yet to thank me. Go figure...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse
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I'm no expert, but I would imagine that gift went sour when you said, 'I got something for you'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

You say-

"Brooking is neither a wimp nor a punk, but he sure acted like one yesterday.

Childress would "whip his tail"? Right. Maybe you didn't notice how the two were dressed."

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OK. let me get this straight. You say he acted like a wimp and a punk yesterday... but he's not a wimp and a punk. So if behaves like one- doesn't that make him one?

I noticed how they were dressed and Childress would have killed him. Childress doesn't need a helmet or shoulder pads but Brooking would have if Childress went after him. Brooking was very lucky to have escaped the wrath of Childress.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Tell me about it! It's effing with my ability to order steaks--I have to say "more than rare but less than well-done" and hope for the best.

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

Well done, er well put. LMAO

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:40 PM

Very well done, Romo… Seriously tho, I prefer my steaks med as well and every time I order one I get so pissed off that I lose my appetite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

At Mickey D's i have to say small or super size for everything.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse
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Does anyone really say small at McDee's? I mean, if you are there, just friggin enjoy the lard, carbonation, and crispy goodness.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow redskins will have to find a new sponsor for their secondary. It used to be sponsered by lazy boy the offical "cushion" of the redskins secondary.

Posted by: bdmntrs | January 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow redskins will have to find a new sponsor for their secondary. It used to be sponsered by lazy boy the offical "cushion" of the redskins secondary.

Posted by: bdmntrs | January 18, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse
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I thought it was Glade - The Official Whiff

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Childress would "whip his tail"? Right. Maybe you didn't notice how the two were dressed.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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I would imagine in certain lighting conditions that forehead could be quite a weapon...
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If you look closely at Childress's head- you'll see some scars from where has head-butted punks like Brooking in the past & knocked them cold. I'm telling you- Brooking was very lucky that Jared A. was there to protect him from Childress. Watch the video if you don't believe me.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

If you look closely at Childress's head...

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse
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No thanks.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"But what about the O-line!"
"But what about the coaching"
"But what about the play-calling"
"But what about the receivers"

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Oline was ranked #7 in run blocking and #6 in pass pro.

Lovie Smith was a coordinator before he got the head coaching job and turned the Rams defense around. He was actually qualified to be a head coach. He wasn't some position coach that was moved into the role with no coordinator experience. He's also been voted the Ap coach of the year.

Ron Turner led them to a top 10 offense last year but got fired this year. If there was a weak link or argument to be made then I think this is your point of attack.

The receivers were Mushin Muhammed and Bernard Berrian. Both of which had 900 yard seasons after leaving the Bears.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell sucks like an Electrolux....,"

Actually, a Hoover does a better job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:43 PM

Trust Dirt Devil.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

You're being deliberately obtuse so you'll never get it. Saying he quarterbacked them to the super bowl is implying that his play at QB led them to the super bowl. Using Quarterbacked as a verb implies he led the offense and saying he quarterbacked them to the super bowl implies that he led the offense that led them to the super bowl. It is in this part of the statement that I make the distinction that the offense did not lead the Bears to the super bowl. It was their special teams and defense that led them to the super bowl. Their special teams ranked #1, their defense ranked #2, their offense ranked #18 (11th in rushing and 23rd in passing), and this is the important part so tighten your safety belt....REX GROSSMAN WAS RANKED 29TH!!! He was terrible. Get over it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Funny, because when I said he "quarterbacked" them; all I meant was that he played quarteback for them.

Or is that too obtuse?

Whatever.

You don't think his experience as a QB that played on a Superbowl contending team is something worth considering. I do. Plain and simple.

And I bet that all the JC17 apologists (yourself included) would be quick to make a BIG deal about it if JC17 had ever "quarterbacked" the Skins to a Superbowl regardless of what his stats/rankings were.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Turner this coaching staff looks like a bunch of white guys.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 18, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The dead horse just twitched, hit it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving JC a two year deal with rich incentives. This team has too many problems ( yes, the OL ) for us to spend draft picks on a college QB. Plus, Colt is coming back. True, there is a lot that remains unknown about him, but we have basically nothing to lose by having a competition in camp.

Whoever said Colt went backward under JZ was right. You just need to let a kid like that play.

The Brandon Marshall thing is tempting, but our guys were really starting to come on this year. In order of importance, I say place the draft emphasis in this order: OL, running back, defensive secondary.

Posted by: bostskin | January 18, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If you look closely at Childress's head...

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse
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No thanks.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Remember when Troy Williamson wanted to fight Childress? (I would like to officially name Brad Childress "Techno Viking". If you have not heard of Techno Viking, please Google and enjoy.)

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Titans coach Jeff Fisher said in his season-ending press conference that he'd "like" for Kerry Collins to return in 2010.

This was the same presser at which Fisher named Vince Young the team's 2010 starter. Collins, 37, is due $5.5 million in salary next season, which is way too much for an ineffective backup. He seems doubtful to last past May.

Source: Nashville Tennessean

Kerry Collins > JC17. I know it's not the sexy young draft pick, but he can be signed cheap, is a serviceable starter and mentor to a young groomable QB.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 18, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Certain people tend to attribute team results to individual players. I do not. We will always disagree on this. I do not value Rex Grossman's super bowl experience because I believe that 28 other QBs could have made it to the super bowl with that team. So I guess we can agree to always disagree. We will never agree on this so I think it is a waste of time to keep arguing it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

OK. let me get this straight. You say he acted like a wimp and a punk yesterday... but he's not a wimp and a punk. So if behaves like one- doesn't that make him one?

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 4:44 PM

Probably the first thing you got straight this decade, except you didn't really get it right. Phillip Rivers looked like a bum yesterday, but he's not a bum. You're posting like an imbecile, but you're probably not one. Rivers had a bad day. You're having a bad day. Brookings had a bad moment.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Peeps were surprised that the Jests beat the Bolts. What surprised me over the weekend was the starting LT for the Cards - the strip club stick-up artist known as Jeremy Bridges, cut during the season by the Skins. Not good enough for a team with a woeful OL. Did pretty pretty good 2. Warner was sacked only once.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Kerry Collins > JC17. I know it's not the sexy young draft pick, but he can be signed cheap, is a serviceable starter and mentor to a young groomable QB.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 18, 2010 5:12 PM

That's what Shanny needs, an older immobile, big armed, long delivery QB to replace the younger, moer mobile, big armed, long delivery QB. Because cutting half the playblook is in the best interest of the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Report: Gailey expected to be next Bills head coach
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 18, 2010 5:17 PM ET
We have a new leader in the clubhouse to be the next Bills head coach.

Jay Glazer of Fox reports that Chan Gailey is expected to meet with the Bills for a second time in the next 24-48 hours. Barring a breakdown in talks, he's expected to be named the coach.

Wow. Gailey secretly met with the Bills last week.

More on this story in a few minutes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I've said enough about JC...

Clinton Portis is no longer the back he used to be. I cannot see us rebuilding with him as the starter. He is no longer a threat to take it to the house.

Also...

Carlos Rogers is worse than every CB that played this weekend. He must go.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Peeps were surprised that the Jests beat the Bolts. What surprised me over the weekend was the starting LT for the Cards - the strip club stick-up artist known as Jeremy Bridges, cut during the season by the Skins. Not good enough for a team with a woeful OL. Did pretty pretty good 2. Warner was sacked only once.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:14 PM |

Heres hoping that the years of cutting decent/good/upcoming young players and keeping/signing big name has beem/over the hill players are over. Even though i remember rather fondly the George Allen years and the pretty good "OVER THE HILL GANG".

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Having said that about Portis...

He's always had a victim mentality and a chip on his shoulder, so I wouldn't be surprised if he came back leaner and faster just to prove us all wrong.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 18, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

We will never agree on this so I think it is a waste of time to keep arguing it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


It was still more worthwhile than zcezcest's aircraft carrier debate from the other day.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

That's what Shanny needs, an older immobile, big armed, long delivery QB to replace the younger, moer mobile, big armed, long delivery QB. Because cutting half the playblook is in the best interest of the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 5:17 PM |

Neither one of them is his type of QB. But it is in his best interests to keep the convo about Camp pos.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Report: Gailey expected to be next Bills head coach
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 18, 2010 5:17 PM ET
We have a new leader in the clubhouse to be the next Bills head coach.

Jay Glazer of Fox reports that Chan Gailey is expected to meet with the Bills for a second time in the next 24-48 hours. Barring a breakdown in talks, he's expected to be named the coach.

Wow. Gailey secretly met with the Bills last week.

More on this story in a few minutes.
Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2010 5:20 PM

Talk about a dark horse.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Bob Slowik was pretty much a failure in Denver so not excited about him at all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Probably the first thing you got straight this decade, except you didn't really get it right. Phillip Rivers looked like a bum yesterday, but he's not a bum. You're posting like an imbecile, but you're probably not one
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I'm posting like an imbecile? Check your logic. I explained that behavior defines what a person is... in very clear terms but you are unable to grasp it. And typical for your posts- if you don't understand something or have no grasp of the subject matter- you resort to negativity and name calling.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

NOt sure why there was so much plaudit for Gray around Redskins Park.

He seemed to have one of the more talented units on the team (personnel-wise) to work with, and I think alot of folks felt the group underacheived.

The whole HC interview fiasco was certainly a giant distraction and his public handling of it added fuel to the fire.

Oh, well. Good luck, I guess...

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Bob Slowik was pretty much a failure in Denver so not excited about him at all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that unicorns don't exist, so I'm not excited about that at all.

Shanahan is a two time super bowl winner and a HOF coach, if he thinks the guy is a good coach I'll take his word of yours and the place where you read it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 18, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a dark horse.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 5:25 PM

He's more like a white horse.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Peeps were surprised that the Jests beat the Bolts. What surprised me over the weekend was the starting LT for the Cards - the strip club stick-up artist known as Jeremy Bridges, cut during the season by the Skins. Not good enough for a team with a woeful OL. Did pretty pretty good 2. Warner was sacked only once.

Posted by: MrPink

Bridges was let go because of Vinny's love affair with the Mike Williams experiment. Many roster decisions were made in order to redeem Vinny's talent evaluating skils, and we know how that story ended. It's a new day. Don't look back.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 18, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R Bob Slowik has had some really good secondaries and has coached a number of pro bowlers and all pros. However, he hasn't had recent success as a DC.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Bob Slowik was pretty much a failure in Denver so not excited about him at all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Not from a credible source but I haven't heard good things. Since it's NOT from a credible source I'm going to keep my hopes up and dismiss said rumors about this guy...For now.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm posting like an imbecile? Check your logic. I explained that behavior defines what a person is... in very clear terms but you are unable to grasp it. And typical for your posts- if you don't understand something or have no grasp of the subject matter- you resort to negativity and name calling.

Posted by: johnnyreds | January 18, 2010 5:27 PM

I specifically said that you're probably not an imbecile. How is that "name-calling"?

You think Keith Brookings is a wimp and you're whining because you think I called you a name? Wow, real tough guy. I hope that you don't let Childress head butt you.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

This step down just confirms that Gray was a "check the box" on Rooney rule and that Snyder had no intention of giving any minority the opportunity for a real shot at head coach.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Man this place is so confrontational. It's almost painful to read the stuff on here sometimes. The level of arrogance, angst, cynicism, and overall hatred for others that don't share ones viewpoint is almost overwhelming. Having said that I am one of the main perpetrators so F all of you! Ha!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Man this place is so confrontational. It's almost painful to read the stuff on here sometimes. The level of arrogance, angst, cynicism, and overall hatred for others that don't share ones viewpoint is almost overwhelming. Having said that I am one of the main perpetrators so F all of you! Ha!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 5:38 PM

May as well call it "Scott Campbell Insider."

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

How did you know my name? Ah who cares. It was funny to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

This step down just confirms that Gray was a "check the box" on Rooney rule and that Snyder had no intention of giving any minority the opportunity for a real shot at head coach.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 18, 2010 5:35 PM

Have you even been paying attention? Jerry Gray was about to take a job at Memphis University, except no one offered it to him. This job offer is hardly a "step down."

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

How did you know my name? Ah who cares. It was funny to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 5:43 PM

I got it when you responded to that email I sent you offering you a half-interest in the inheritance of Glenfidich Campbell if you'd send me your name and bank account number. Hope that money's helped with your daughter's college fund!

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell sucks like an Electrolux....,"

Actually, a Hoover does a better job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 3:43 PM |

The best suck job I ever saw was an AMS suck job (Automated Milking System). Better than the proverbial "farmer's daughter".

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

jerry gray interviews for head coaching position AND d coordicator position, just to satisfy psuedo affirmative action rooney rule, then doesn't even get retained. to add insult to this racist indignity he take the same job at a different organization. jerry gray should feel awful and how do you move laterally after interviewing to be a head coach? dude couldn't even get a coordinator position? what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 18, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Their playcalling could be the Zorn attitude of staying M...... sorry cannot say that word anymore with out getting migraines.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Tell me about it! It's effing with my ability to order steaks--I have to say "more than rare but less than well-done" and hope for the best.

Posted by: RomoShortball | January 18, 2010 4:21 PM |

This might help you out:

Q. What's the difference between medium and rare?
A. 6 inches is medium, 8 inches is rare.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

How did you know my name? Ah who cares. It was funny to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 5:43 PM |

Good guess by L-S.

I had it narrowed down to.
1. Sanjaya
2. Sergio
3. Sylvester
4. Seamus
5. Serenity
6. Shakira
7. Shanequa
8. Shaquille
9. Sharonda
10. Scarlett

I never would have guessed Scott.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Q. What's the difference between medium and rare?
A. 6 inches is medium, 8 inches is rare.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:52 PM

And RedDMV, claiming he's walking around with a "scud missile", that would be well done? Or the shrimp with the surf and turf?

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

5. Serenity
6. Shakira
7. Shanequa
8. Shaquille
9. Sharonda
10. Scarlett

I never would have guessed Scott.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 5:55 PM

The fifth female poster? That was a good one Diesel.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sergio hmmm? I like it. And L-S, Glen Scotia is made in the Campbelton Islands and is a far better Scotch (although the Fid is pretty damn good)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The fifth female poster? That was a good one Diesel.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:01 PM

You may be a lot of things, but a poor sport isn't one of them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to find out who made the decision to cut Bridges. I would have to think that Bugel had some say in the decision if not the final say. Bridges did not really impress in preseason and I don't know how he did in practice. However, he appears to have played okay with Arizona, sometimes you make the wrong decision. BTW I believe Bridges was probably cut to keep Bastise(sp) not Williams.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Gray is a sorry coach along with Blah, Blah, Blah who retired because he knows he was inept.

Feel sorry for Seattle but I wonder how many picks did it "secretly" cost the skins?

Posted by: mmagua | January 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

5. Serenity
6. Shakira
7. Shanequa
8. Shaquille
9. Sharonda
10. Scarlett

I never would have guessed Scott.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 5:55 PM

I don't know too many females with a mouth (typing hand) as dirty as mine. Wonder what kind of women you've been hanging out with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Mike Nolan is leaving as Denver DC. McDaniel seems to be pissing off both players and coaches.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sergio hmmm? I like it. And L-S, Glen Scotia is made in the Campbelton Islands and is a far better Scotch (although the Fid is pretty damn good)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:01 PM |

Show us your tartan kilts.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't know too many females with a mouth (typing hand) as dirty as mine. Wonder what kind of women you've been hanging out with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:04 PM

I like em dirty, just not dirty like they require a bath dirty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sergio hmmm? I like it. And L-S, Glen Scotia is made in the Campbelton Islands and is a far better Scotch (although the Fid is pretty damn good)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:01 PM |

Show us your tartan kilts.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:07 PM |


http://www.ccsna.org/jsep50a.htm

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

You may be a lot of things, but a poor sport isn't one of them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 6:03 PM

I've got to enjoy the unexpected moments on the blog -- even when they're on me -- because there are too few of them.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Mike Nolan is leaving as Denver DC. McDaniel seems to be pissing off both players and coaches.

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 18, 2010 6:06 PM |

Headed for NYG? Would be 2nd go-around. Could have also been a 2 timer with the Skins if Shan had not picked Has.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Headed for NYG? Would be 2nd go-around. Could have also been a 2 timer with the Skins if Shan had not picked Has.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:14 PM

PFT says Miami, Buffalo or Chicago. I don't think he'd come back here after Snyder went after him the last time.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I like em dirty, just not dirty like they require a bath dirty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 6:10 PM |

Who doesn't? I mean really...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't know too many females with a mouth (typing hand) as dirty as mine. Wonder what kind of women you've been hanging out with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:04 PM

I like em dirty, just not dirty like they require a bath dirty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2010 6:10 PM

Who doesn't? I mean really...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Show us your tartan kilts.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:07 PM |

http://www.ccsna.org/jsep50a.htm

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:13 PM |

Cawdor is cool.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

That was wierd? Half a double post?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were done with the JC stuff, and up comes a post about him and Shanny...well played JReid--on the day in which we are all supposed to work beyond our differences and unite...

Posted by: BigE44 | January 18, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray gone? Such great news!!! Can we get a coach that will teach our DBs how to tackle?

Posted by: VegasJim | January 18, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the Brooking tirade again. Just a thought, only say 2 instances like that with Skins and only 2 players that seemed to have that fire and attitude. Both of them have continuously been thrown under the bus by many hampsters on here, but that is the kind of fire that i want to see in this coming season. Just very joyous that it was the Girls that went down like a 2 dollar street corner guard.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Techno Viking rules!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 18, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

League Source and Bigfoot,

I am glad I don't work with you two! For those of you who do - watch your backs!!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Show us your tartan kilts.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:07 PM |

http://www.ccsna.org/jsep50a.htm

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:13 PM |

Cawdor is cool.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 6:18 PM

Does that mean that there is no little Irish/English in you woodshed?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

League Source and Bigfoot,

I am glad I don't work with you two! For those of you who do - watch your backs!!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 18, 2010 6:38 PM

We both deliver orders at a Chinese restaurant. So, really not much to worry about in our line of work.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Does that mean that there is no little Irish/English in you woodshed?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 6:42 PM |

I haven't researched it far enough back to be absolutely certain but I've checked a little ways and so far no. Both sets of grandparents immigtrated from Scotland.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

We both deliver orders at a Chinese restaurant. So, really not much to worry about in our line of work.

Posted by: League-Source | January 18, 2010 6:43 PM |

So your the ones that spit in my soup and put cockroach in the rice and call it meat.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Can't understand why the Colts get very little respect.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 18, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Did i miss the Jerry Gray comments about still staying with Jim Zorn in a hotel post?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 18, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Peeps were surprised that the Jests beat the Bolts. What surprised me over the weekend was the starting LT for the Cards - the strip club stick-up artist known as Jeremy Bridges, cut during the season by the Skins. Not good enough for a team with a woeful OL. Did pretty pretty good 2. Warner was sacked only once.

Posted by: MrPink | January 18, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I remember being stunned when Bridges was waived at the end of training camp. I remember a story about soethong happening in the last exhibition game that raised issues dealing with character. I was sure he would make final 53 roster. Does anyone remember anything about that?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Can't understand why the Colts get very little respect.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 18, 2010 6:55 PM

Colt McCoy will first have to show that his shoulder is healed. Then he'll have to show that he has a strong enough arm to make most of the professional throws.

Posted by: TWISI | January 18, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

So your the ones that spit in my soup and put cockroach in the rice and call it meat.


Cockroaches? What? Did the neighborhood run out of cats?

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Can't understand why the Colts get very little respect."


That's because the other teams in the NFL Final are quarterbacked by an old man, a west coast rookie, and san diego charger discarded midget.

Thing is, the chargers are on the phone.

It seems they want their midget back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Does that mean that there is no little Irish/English in you woodshed?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 6:42 PM |

I haven't researched it far enough back to be absolutely certain but I've checked a little ways and so far no. Both sets of grandparents immigtrated from Scotland.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2010 6:45 PM

LOL I was actually trying for a little dig. but as you can see that is not my forte. Have you been back to the old country at all? Are you sure that Ramsey the chef isnt some long lost cousin or something..maybe get a free meal at one of his touted restraunts.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 18, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

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