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Posted at 9:24 AM ET, 03/ 2/2011

Report: Redskins to meet with Andre Davis

By Mike Jones

The Redskins on Wednesday reportedly will meet former free agent wide receiver Andre Davis, who last played for the Houston Texans. Mark Berman of Houston's KRIV-TV first reported the news.

The former Virginia Tech standout missed all of last season with an injury, and last played for Houston in 2009, when Washington offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan held the same position for the Texans.

The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Davis had his best season in 2007, when he had 33 catches for 583 yards. Davis also has handled kick return duties during his career. Because no team held his rights, Davis would be free to sign a deal before a new collective bargaining agreement is reached between NFL owners and players. But Davis meeting with the team doesn't necessarily mean he is likely to sign a deal.

The Redskins interviewed defensive tackle Shaun Rogers on Feb. 11, but he left without an offer, and this week he signed with the New Orleans Saints. Safety O.J. Atogwe met with Redskins coaches on Feb. 22, but he too left without an offer and is on record saying he will take his time and doesn't expect to sign a deal until after a CBA is reached. Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said his team remains interested in adding Atogwe, who played for defensive coordinator Jim Haslett in St. Louis from 2006 to 2008.

Davis's meeting comes a day after the Redskins cut defensive end/linebacker Andre Carter and left guard Derrick Dockery. The Redskins on Tuesday also extended a restricted free agent tender to four-year veteran Chris Wilson, the linebacker confirmed.

The tender is of a second-round level, meaning if a team offered Wilson a contract, the Redskins would have the right to match it, or receive a second-round pick as compensation for letting Wilson sign with that club.

Wilson, a backup at outside linebacker and a strong contributor on special teams, said that he was encouraged by the tender because it indicated to him that the Redskins are pleased with his play. But he admitted that he doesn't know exactly what receiving the tender will ultimately mean, because the terms of the new collective bargaining agreement could cause the tender to be invalidated.

Under normal rules, a player that has four years of NFL experience is eligible for unrestricted free agency. But, in an uncapped year - such as this past season - fourth-year players would be restricted free agents. By extending Wilson the tender, the Redskins - as have other teams - are going about their business as if the NFL will operate under another uncapped season.

Wilson didn't sign the tender, and said he will instead wait to see what happens with the CBA negotiations.

By Mike Jones  | March 2, 2011; 9:24 AM ET
 
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Comments

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign...You are always right iH8.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign...You are always right iH8.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Triple-dip

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 2, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign...You are always right iH8.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on that. I'm also hoping that Chris Horton and Roydell Williams get released. Those guys suck big-time.

It's time to start playing these young linemen like Cook, Capers and Monty at center.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

iH8, Casey Rabach was voted Redskins Offensive Player of the Year 6 months ago. Sorry, I don't think you'll get your wish.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign...You are always right iH8.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Triple-dip

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 2, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Hi Wishbone! I didn't want to talk to myself on this blog today.

And who is Andre Davis? The next Roydell?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

That's how you get your Jamarcus Russell's,...


What's totally annoying about all the 'Jamarcus Russell' chatta is there have been more young quarterbacks succeeding despite his singualr failure.

There are more very good/decent starting quarterbacks under the age of 30 in the league than I can remember:

Matt Flynn

Joe Flacco

Aaron Rodgers

Jason Campbell

Matt Cassel

Mark Sanchez

Colt McCoy

Josh Freeman

Mike Vick

Matt Stafford

Tony Romo

Ben Rothlisberger

Carson Palmer

Philip Rivers

Eli Manning

Jay Cutler


...and all folks want to do is avoid drafting quarterbacks because they are 'bright and shiny objects'.

Thing is, like Mike Mayick himself points out, you cannot win a Super Bowl todday without a franchise quarterback.

The days of some low-round rum-dum quarterback winning only because of his supporting cast is over--Rex, Jake D are proof of that.

Jamarcus Russell is one guy who failed.

But if you give of the fear and look, you see a lot of these kids are succeeding.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm crossing my fingers that someone signs wilson....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 2, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

iH8, Casey Rabach was voted Redskins Offensive Player of the Year 6 months ago. Sorry, I don't think you'll get your wish.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I threw a penny into a wishing pond. So it must happen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

iH8, Casey Rabach was voted Redskins Offensive Player of the Year 6 months ago.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse
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... By a 4-12 team about to go 6-10. Hasta la vista, Casey.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Not gonna lie, I don't like the idea of picking up more WRs we got a good core already... BB AA TA Moss? come on now. Young bucks round a classy Vet. I love the combo.

Casey Rabach is a great fella, but I don't think he plays well -_-;

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 2, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Jamarcus Russell is one guy who failed.

But if you give of the fear and look, you see a lot of these kids are succeeding.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 9:45 AM

For Skins fans, you gotta throw Shuler and Ramsey out as failed picks too.

Personally, I don't fear we'll draft a QB who's destined to be a bust.... I fear we'll draft a good QB who never has a chance to actually develop properly because of the lack of tools around him.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I am curious to see what happens with Carson Palmer.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

alan4

For Skins fans, you gotta throw Shuler and Ramsey out as failed picks too.

If you go back and look, Norv didn't want Shuler and Spurrier didn't want Ramsey.

Their drafting was a FO decision, not a coach's decision.

(Greg Blache says the same decision making process went down when the FO decided to add AH without consulting him, the defensive coordinator)

So maybe we can blame their 'busts' on the fact they the people who wanted them didn't take the coaches thoughts into account.

Now, we have coaches with a specific system needing a passer with a defined set of tools.

Even if we take a quarterback at 10, I hink it'll be a 'win' for us.

After all, aren't we kinda due?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Gotta pick on you a little Moe...

It seems like half your list is 30 or older!

OK, maybe not half but I KNOW Vick, Palmer, Romo and Manning are, And Rivers and Campbell are close.

For God's sake man, Palmer is on the verge of retiring!

I know you said "Decent" but come on man! Flynn and McCoy have less than 8 starts between them! And Stafford has done absolutely nothing.

I like Campbell, but he's not going to be on many "Good young QB lists" if any NFL scout is the author of the list.

You are reaching at best my man!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on that. I'm also hoping that Chris Horton and Roydell Williams get released. Those guys suck big-time.

It's time to start playing these young linemen like Cook, Capers and Monty at center.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I can't see cutting Horton. He just turned 26, good size, good ball instincts. Unless you have better depth already on the team, keep him and see if he makes our 53 man squad in Aug.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty


I meant Matt Ryan.

And I also mean that these guys have been playing well for years, despite all the noise about Ryan Leaf and J Russell.

The essential point--despite my not knowing who is 30 and not(and close to 30 ain't 30, btw)--is that the league is awash with good youn quarterbacks.

Everywhere but in D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I have thing nagging feeling that Shanahan is going to take Mallet at #10.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Just busting your chops, I see you working.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Why would they cut Carter? Vinny said we had a playoff ready roster.


Posted by: NYPDee | March 2, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It's all good, don't panic, we still have Sellers, Rabach, and Byron Westbrook on the roster, Playoffs here we come!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty

You are reaching at best, my man.

Disprive with evidence, not rhetoric.

Here's my list:

Matt Ryan

Joe Flacco

Aaron Rodgers

Jason Campbell

Matt Cassel

Mark Sanchez

Colt McCoy

Josh Freeman

Mike Vick

Matt Stafford

Tony Romo

Ben Rothlisberger

Carson Palmer

Philip Rivers

Eli Manning

Jay Cutler


Do some research and re-submit it with the ages after the names, and you'll see most of these guys are under 30.

And you knock JC even though league stats show him to have been very efficient the second half of last season.

Again: do some research and prove me wrong as rhetoric is just what's a reach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

By my count, we have 7 guys currently over 30, and if there is a next season, I'm putting us at 4 starters over 30.

Fletcher, An unnamed DE, McNabb, and maybe Hicks. That's it. That's the list.

We are definitely going young, that's for sure.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I have thing nagging feeling that Shanahan is going to take Mallet at #10.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

He throws a very nice deep ball and this offense likes to throw deep.

Hitting Anthony Armstrong in stride would be a beautiful thing to see.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

By my count, we have 7 guys currently over 30, and if there is a next season, I'm putting us at 4 starters over 30.

Fletcher, An unnamed DE, McNabb, and maybe Hicks. That's it. That's the list.

We are definitely going young, that's for sure.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I doubt McNabb will be here. He goes to Minnesota or Arizona or SanFran for a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign...You are always right iH8.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:39 AM

What do you call it when some guy engages in a circle jerk with himself? Is it just jerking off?

iH8dallas, if you want to stroke yourself at least get a sock puppet -- i♥myself, i♣dallas, or goDuke -- to make it look like a normal circle jerk.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I was not trying to start a debate, just playfully busting your chops. I'll stand by my post that Vick, Palmer, Manning and Romo are all 30 or older.

And Campbell and Rivers turn 30 during this upcoming season.

Beyond that, I consider Ryan, Rodgers, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Cassel and Cutler to be very good or elite Qbs.

I think the rest of your list are unproven guys that could flame out or be added to the good list, but it's too early to tell.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

iH8, Casey Rabach was voted Redskins Offensive Player of the Year 6 months ago. Sorry, I don't think you'll get your wish.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse


That tells you everything you need to know about the Redskins' offense.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 2, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

What do you call it when some guy engages in a circle jerk with himself? Is it just jerking off?

iH8dallas, if you want to stroke yourself at least get a sock puppet -- i♥myself, i♣dallas, or goDuke -- to make it look like a normal circle jerk.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Hessone is my sock puppet. It's not my fault I was born a genius and sometimes feel the need to pat my own genius on the back.

Don't be jealous of my circle-jerk because you're old and probably shoot powdered milk when you come.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

What do you call it when some guy engages in a circle jerk with himself? Is it just jerking off?

.....
Maybe the circle refers to something that has no end. We know who the jerk is.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty

...think the rest of your list are unproven guys that could flame out or be added to the good list, but it's too early to tell.

...thanks for making my point as not a one of them is as bad as Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, or Jamarcus Russell.

And any one of them could blossom into an elite quarterback.

So a smart team selects a smart kid with an accurate arm who can move and throw efficiently:

That's why Christian Ponder is at the tp of my list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I am curious to see what happens with Carson Palmer.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:01 AM |

I'm not. I truly believe he's done. After that knee reconstruction, he's become a pick-machine. It's interesting that he mentions he doesn't need to play for money as he, "...has 80 million in the bank." He still favors that knee and feels the heat in the pocket. I think he's a dry hole. Besides, like McB1tch, a multi-year veteran whose been in the same system his whole career and isn't doing well and then has to go and learn a new system, doesn't sound like a winner to me.

When you bring someone in who has had success for more than a few years - and Palmer has, in spite of his team - exactly how receptive is he going to be to conforming to a new way of doing things?

Why don't the Skins make a run at Shaub? It's not at all likely and I don't think he's a FA until next year but I still believe Peyton Manning would be murdered behind our O-line.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Re: Palmer

Trade

Ha, he's got 50 million coming to him in the next three years. He's coming off an elbow and a knee injury and currently can't hit the broadside of a barn if he was standing in it with the doors closed. I don't see this happening.

Retire

Really? Carson is going to give up 50 million? I'd call that bluff in a heart beat.

Cut

Maybe. As far as I know he doesn't have any more guarenteed money. But then who is their QB? Jordan Palmer? Dan Lefevour? Would Cam or Blaine be ready for next season?

Play

He's going to make 50 million by playing. I don't see any other rational outcome but maybe Carson isn't rational.

Am i missing anything? What happens if he holds out? I don't think he gets his money then.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And who is Andre Davis?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 9:45 AM

It doesn't matter...we need to replace the Andre we let go...and he's the only one available at the moment.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

What do y'all think about releasing Casey Rabach? If they do, it might make them scramble to improve the OL. Just a thought, in case no one has considered it yet.

Posted by: EdDC | March 2, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Not gonna lie, I don't like the idea of picking up more WRs we got a good core already... BB AA TA Moss? come on now. Young bucks round a classy Vet. I love the combo.

Casey Rabach is a great fella, but I don't think he plays well -_-;

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 2, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse
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I would not be disappointed in a Julio Jones pick. The guy has athleticism and toughness to spare, and is that kind of impact talent who could make a bunch of other units better.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And who is Andre Davis?

The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Davis had his best season in 2007, when he had 33 catches for 583 yards.

33 catches, 500 yards?

Explain to me how Devin Thomas could not have produced those numbers.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

That's why Christian Ponder is at the tp of my list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Yes. I would be happy if we can get him. From what I know of Shanahan he seems to be a fit as long as his injuries check out.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Explain to me how Devin Thomas could not have produced those numbers.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, you asked, so:

Devin Thomas could not produce those #'s (As modest as they may be)because he lacks the motivation, desire and want-to to be a productive player on the NFL.

He has shown to be more interested in being a celebrity than a WR through his first 3 years in the league.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it lately, why draft a QB this year?

If the 'Skins don't move heaven and earth to put a serviceable offensive line together.......we'll be in position to draft Andrew Luck next year.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I thought that Shanahan was gung-ho for Rabach, but I was wrong.

Our man, J. I. Halsell, wrote a nice analysis of Casey Rabach's contract. He said "In short, with a $3 million salary looming in 2011, by structuring the signing bonus in this manner, the Redskins can terminate Rabach's contract without cap accounting consequence in 2011, meaning with zero dead money. Had the team not negotiated this provision, Rabach's dead money would have been $2.8 million. Therefore, one can conclude, in part, that the Redskins were uncertain of Rabach's role beyond 2010 and structured a contract accordingly."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/roster-analysis/roster-analysis-casey-rabach-w.html

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I doubt McNabb will be here. He goes to Minnesota or Arizona or SanFran for a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I agree, McNabb is gone, but for a 2nd round pick? If you honestly think we're getting a 2nd for him then you are higher than brandon_in_cali!

If we're lucky we get a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

My biggest fear is if Shanny's willing to keep Haynesworth if he can't trade him, then he might do the same for McNabb, which means we're stuck with 2 wastes of space on a team with too many of them!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I am curious to see what happens with Carson Palmer.

The real story is that Palmer hates to work with C Johnson and T.O..

A reporter on the NFL Network stated that Palmer was upset that the bengals aren't trying to upgrade/change their receiver group--so he wants out.

I'd err on Palmer's side as Johnson and Owens are cancerous fools whose time has passed them as eleite NFL receivers.

What do the begals do?: don't care.

But I hpoe the redskins don't trade for Palmer,

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

A couple Andre Davis facts, courtesy of wiki ---

Davis scored on a 99-yard touchdown reception during a game on October 17, 2004 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The reception put Davis in the record books for the longest play from scrimmage in NFL history, joining ten other players in the feat.

On December 30, 2007 against the Jacksonville Jaguars, Davis scored two consecutive touchdowns on kickoff returns, the first for 97 yards and the second for 104.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

For goodness sakes! When will the headline read "Stephon Heyer released today..." He is by far the worst lineman ever to play in the NFL...

Posted by: BigBizE | March 2, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Please cut Heyer, Ribach, Sellers, and Haynesworth

Posted by: stephenwilson2003@yahoo.com | March 2, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Andre Davis. Really? *crickets*

Posted by: linroy62 | March 2, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

For goodness sakes! When will the headline read "Stephon Heyer released today..." He is by far the worst lineman ever to play in the NFL...

Posted by: BigBizE | March 2, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Alex Barron says hello.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

But I hpoe the redskins don't trade for Palmer,

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm a huge Shanahan/Allen supporter, but if we trade for Palmer I'd join Alan4 and his crew that are skeptical at best of the new management.

After the McNabb experiment we just can't go down the Palmer road.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

For goodness sakes! When will the headline read "Stephon Heyer released today..." He is by far the worst lineman ever to play in the NFL...

Posted by: BigBizE | March 2, 2011 10:51 AM |

There is no way! Please, oh please, don't take that crown from me!

Sincerely,

Ethan Albright

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas could not produce those #'s (As modest as they may be)because he lacks the motivation, desire and want-to to be a productive player on the NFL.

from nfl.com:

Devin Thomas

Career NFL statistics as of 2009

Receptions 40

Receiving yards 445


So we cut a 'non-professional' receiver to possibly later add a very similar guy with the same numbers?

Sounds like a sideways move to me.
Touchdowns 3

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

After the McNabb experiment we just can't go down the Palmer road.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse
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An number of RI's are expert navigators of the Palmer road. I'm glad we all don't have to shake hands to talk.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I once thought about using my email address as my handle...but then I realized that would be really stupid.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas could not produce those #'s (As modest as they may be)because he lacks the motivation, desire and want-to to be a productive player on the NFL.

from nfl.com:

Devin Thomas

Career NFL statistics as of 2009

Receptions 40

Receiving yards 445


So we cut a 'non-professional' receiver to possibly later add a very similar guy with the same numbers?

Sounds like a sideways move to me.
Touchdowns 3

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:58 AM

Andre Davis:

Receptions 156
Receiving yards 2,470
Total Return yards 4,861
Total TDs 21

Sounds like you're moving to an experienced professional, a "journeyman", from a guy who just doesn't get it -- and hasn't gotten it with three different teams.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I would not release Heyer...

We have invested a lot in him and he is a capable and versatile backup. He may not be a 16 game starter, but Heyer can spell you a few games at Guard or Tackle.

I hated him too, but he's a solid depth guy.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

So by this logic we are never allowed to bring in prospective WR signees because "Devin could have done it!"??

It seems like Davis is a known entity to our OC, so I'll go ahead and trust that he has a better chance to succeed in our system than a music video actor whose day job is as a marginal roster spot on his 3rd team in 3 years.

And since you always implore me to back up arguments with stats, here are Davis' #'s over his first 3 seasons:

93 catches, 1,412 yards, 13 TDS

Just a tad bit better than DT's 45/445/3

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I like us tendering Chris Wilson. He's obviously not going to start for us at OLB, and with us needing a starter there and Fred Jackson impressing at the end of last year, I'm not sure there is a spot for him on this roster.

Of course, maybe they just kept him because he plays on special teams, but as far as defense goes I think he is more of a 4-3 DE then a 3-4 OLB.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas could not produce those #'s (As modest as they may be)because he lacks the motivation, desire and want-to to be a productive player on the NFL.

from nfl.com:

Devin Thomas

Career NFL statistics as of 2009

Receptions 40

Receiving yards 445


So we cut a 'non-professional' receiver to possibly later add a very similar guy with the same numbers?

Sounds like a sideways move to me.
Touchdowns 3

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:58 AM

You're comparing Andre's one season to Devin Thomas's entire career and calling them similar? Pretty shaky argument there Moe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I once thought about using my email address as my handle...but then I realized that would be really stupid.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:03 AM |

Sounds like a "Jack Handy" deep thought.

My personal 'fav:

"It takes a big man to cry......But it takes an even bigger man, to laugh at that man."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It seems like Davis is a known entity to our OC, so I'll go ahead and trust that he has a better chance to succeed in our system than a music video actor whose day job is as a marginal roster spot on his 3rd team in 3 years.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

True, but if that's your argument, why not try and sign Jacoby Jones when he hits the market?

Just because the OC is familiar with the player doesn't mean he is gonna be the answer at that position: see Rex Grossman.

With Moss leaving and Terrance Austin not yet ready to make an impact, we need upgrades, not more lower-teir WR's taking up roster spots: see Roydell Williams.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

agreed on giving rabach the boot, he's def gotta go, like serious seriously

and if there's one thing the Redskins lack, to break it down into a single word, something we've been missing for a while on both sides of the ball:

DYNAMIC

maybe Landry, and he only played half the year, we just dont have any dynamic players, guys who are all over the place and are legit game changers

we need to change that

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

How does talking to Davis preclude us from going after Jones?

Is there some radical new NFL rule that says you can't interview 2 ex Texans WRs in the same off season?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I guess this puts Moss on the hotseat.

btw THIS is f'n dope.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Something to consider is that if the labor situation drags on it could mean an abbreviated training camp and coaches are not allowed to talk to players so getting some marginal special teams role players that already know the system in place isn't a terrible idea

Posted by: hcicron | March 2, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

btw THIS is f'n dope.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:23 AM

I'm not clicking this.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Pretty shaky argument there...


I got more shaky arguments than a huddle of greedy lawyers in a Haitian earthquake.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

How does talking to Davis preclude us from going after Jones?

Is there some radical new NFL rule that says you can't interview 2 ex Texans WRs in the same off season?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Why would you want 2 ex Texans on your roster anyway? There's probably only room for 1, and I'd rather have Jones.

If there is a rule in place, I think it would be the 'Steve Spurrier' Rule, remember all those great Florida players he had?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

DYNAMIC

maybe Landry, and he only played half the year, we just dont have any dynamic players, guys who are all over the place and are legit game changers

we need to change that

Posted by: retroskins14
Althoug getting burned some, DHall says Hi
Pick 6's are dynamic

Posted by: swalker5 | March 2, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This ain't bad either:

Lupe, Kanye & MosDef

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think it would be the 'Steve Spurrier' Rule, remember all those great Florida players he had?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:39 AM

Yeah, and a QB that wore gloves...wtf was all that about?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And who is Andre Davis?

The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Davis had his best season in 2007, when he had 33 catches for 583 yards.

33 catches, 500 yards?

Explain to me how Devin Thomas could not have produced those numbers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:41 AM
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I dunno. Let's wake him up from his nap in the Ginas' training room and ask him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

RE: Andre Davis- played under Kyle and is an above average KR. Rumor has it that Shanahan wants to use BB on PR and mix him more into the mix on offense.

Probably nothing to freak out about because the only guys they can bring in before a new CBA are guys not on Rosters. Although I like to hear them bring in Marcus Spears before Friday.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Hi D-hall,

how are you? learn to tackle and you'll be dynamic, i see dynamic players as more than 1 trick ponies, though i love the pick 6's, my fav play in football

id agree more w/ LF59 and Orakpo being dynamic than hall

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

btw THIS is f'n dope.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:23 AM

I'm not clicking this.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I did, and I wish I hadn't.

BTW, if you are around people and don't want them to hear about cum, weed, and the F-word about 50 times, then turn your speakers down first. It's not what you call 'office friendly'.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

btw THIS is f'n dope.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:23 AM

I'm not clicking this.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I did, and I wish I hadn't.

BTW, if you are around people and don't want them to hear about cum, weed, and the F-word about 50 times, then turn your speakers down first. It's not what you call 'office friendly'.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:52 AM |

Funny. I always assumed that 9/10 contributors here are sitting in a dark, dank, unfinished basement makeshift bedroom in their mother's dilapidated dwelling.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Lol, PA

Monk - I did say 'F'n' dope... so, it's not like it wasn't foretold. Next time I'll be all 'Parental Advisory' and use the NSFW label, ok Pansy?

Sorry it wasn't your cup of tea. He does have an Emmy, btw. So it's not like I'm in left field.. SWPL, maybe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

My biggest fear is if Shanny's willing to keep Haynesworth if he can't trade him, then he might do the same for McNabb, which means we're stuck with 2 wastes of space on a team with too many of them!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Have you seen our depth chart? If we don't draft a QB then keeping McNabb means we still have only 3 QBs. We only have 1 RDE and that's Vonnie Holiday. We only have 1 NT. Most teams carry 6-7 d lineman. Even if we draft a RDE and a NT we still have room on the roster for at least 1 more d lineman.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I would not release Heyer...

We have invested a lot in him and he is a capable and versatile backup. He may not be a 16 game starter, but Heyer can spell you a few games at Guard or Tackle.

I hated him too, but he's a solid depth guy.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2011 11:09 AM
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I agree that he would provide depth, but I don't think it is a matter of releasing him. He's a free agent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Shanahan wants to use BB on PR and mix him more into the mix on offense.


If Davis is an 'above average PK returner' and more versititile in the offense, doesn't he then make BB expendable?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

learn to tackle and you'll be dynamic, i see dynamic players as more than 1 trick ponies

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Last time I checked, Deion Sanders made the HOF, and he was the WORST tackling CB in the history of the NFL.

Fletcher is dynamic because of his tackling and leadership.

Hall is dynamic because he can change the course of a game with 1 play, he single-handedly won 2 games on his own last year.

Orakpo isn't dynamic yet, I'd like to see more sacks than holding penalties before I call him dynamic.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

doesn't he then make BB expendable?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM

Can someone please delete or edit this before iH8 gets home from class and sees it?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

NFL Players’ Legal Victory Should Help Avoid A Lockout

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011/03/02/nfl-players-legal-victory-should-help-avoid-a-lockout/

Besides the main thrust of the article, these interesting tidbits:

- The 4 teams that top this list of Debt/Value Ratios of at least 20% (NY Giants, NY Jets, Detroit, and Miami) are among the 5 worst teams in the league with respect to operating income (the other team being the Oakland Raiders).

- The 2 largest revenue-generating teams in the league (Dallas and Washington) arguably forego the most revenue in the short-term from a work stoppage since they generate the most revenue from being in operation. Their estimated revenues according to the same Forbes report for the 2009 season were $420 M and $353 M, respectively.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo isn't dynamic yet,....


Dude gets held a lot, and often it's not called: I'd say he's dynamic.

He's a 2x Pro Bowler.

Put him in a front-7 with a monstah NT and quick d-end, and suddenly, his sack total increases.

B.O. is fine, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW, if you are around people and don't want them to hear about cum, weed, and the F-word about 50 times, then turn your speakers down first. It's not what you call 'office friendly'.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:52 AM

Hmmmm...now I kinda want to click it...what ta do...what ta do...

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I am curious to see what happens with Carson Palmer.


The real story is that Palmer hates to work with C Johnson and T.O..

A reporter on the NFL Network stated that Palmer was upset that the bengals aren't trying to upgrade/change their receiver group--so he wants out.

I'd err on Palmer's side as Johnson and Owens are cancerous fools whose time has passed them as eleite NFL receivers.

What do the Bengals do?: don't care.

But I hope the redskins don't trade for Palmer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 10:49 AM

I've been thinking about Palmer too ... and McNabb. Both are under contract to their respective teams.

I'm not a fan of Carson Palmer (my betting against the Bengals this season was mostly based on how bad Palmer has been). Was Palmer bad b/c of injury or the defense of Bratkowski? Or was it b/c he's just been concussed one time too many and he's done (the Bulger/Delhomme syndrome)? I dunno.

Is he better than Grossman? I dunno that either.

Is McNabb going to play next year? My Crazy Eight Ball says NFW.

McNabb for Palmer? If Cincy throws in a 4th rounder, maybe.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Carson Palmer personally...but he looks like a dick to me.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Funny. I always assumed that 9/10 contributors here are sitting in a dark, dank, unfinished basement makeshift bedroom in their mother's dilapidated dwelling.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I can just speak for myself. I am at work, if you wanna call it that.

'Your mom's basement' has been used too much, how about 'Your sister's guest room'?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Shanahan wants to use BB on PR and mix him more into the mix on offense.


If Davis is an 'above average PK returner' and more versititile in the offense, doesn't he then make BB expendable?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM |

No. The knee injury that has visibly taken a step from his lightning speed thus making him a human pinata waiting to be blown up makes him expendable.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

My biggest fear is if Shanny's willing to keep Haynesworth if he can't trade him, then he might do the same for McNabb, which means we're stuck with 2 wastes of space on a team with too many of them!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse
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Wasted space? Where have you been all offseason? Space is the one thing we have plenty of.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo isn't dynamic yet, I'd like to see more sacks than holding penalties before I call him dynamic.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:02 PM

Is Orakpo dynamic? Give me a "Y" for yes.

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/original700/deangelo-hall-brian-orakpo-2010-10-24-16-40-18.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

McNabb for Palmer? If Cincy throws in a 4th rounder, maybe.


Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd take that deal then I'd cut Palmer.

Bwahaha [Evil Genius laugh]

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Andre Davis?

Washington is a mess. Clearly the Redskins are not going to spend any money on the available street free agents that have visited, seeing them sign elsewhere.

But at the same time the team is going to keep Haynesworth and pay him $5.4M for 2011 (assuming there is a season) to do nothing.

Wonderful.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | March 2, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If Davis is an 'above average PK returner' and more versititile in the offense, doesn't he then make BB expendable?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM |
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One would assume - especially after the positive results last season - that Shanahan will continue to create competition at every position.

One would assume he'd get BB competing at WR while still competing for his returning stripes. And if he get's beat out... he's expendable.

Like Portis, Carter, Dockery, etc, etc.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Monk - I did say 'F'n' dope... so, it's not like it wasn't foretold. Next time I'll be all 'Parental Advisory' and use the NSFW label, ok Pansy?

Sorry it wasn't your cup of tea. He does have an Emmy, btw. So it's not like I'm in left field.. SWPL, maybe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

What are you, the leader of his fan club?

I guess if I don't want my boss to hear blasting on my COMPANY COMPUTER during WORK-HOURS about cumming on hoes and the F-word every other word makes me a pansy, then so be it.

Yeah, you really made it clear. Someone needs to publish a Dik to English tranlation guide for future understanding.

What's he gonna rap about next, tossing the salad of a gay sailor on leave? Can't wait for that link......

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want 2 ex Texans on your roster anyway?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Maybe because they had the 4th (2008) and 1st (2009)ranked passing offenses in the NFL when KS was OC?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Roy...two wrongs don't make a right...or something like that.

Other PA, LOL

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

true deion was the worst tackler in nfl history, but you're talkin about prime time here, so you're comparing d-hall to prime time? it's not even close and i hate deion, but i respected his game, just not w/ us

ok, d-hall is a playmaker, but he's not dynamic.... i dont remember deion getting burned like dhall does

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Funny. I always assumed that 9/10 contributors here are sitting in a dark, dank, unfinished basement makeshift bedroom in their mother's dilapidated dwelling.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I can just speak for myself. I am at work, if you wanna call it that.

'Your mom's basement' has been used too much, how about 'Your sister's guest room'?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:14 PM |

Monk, that implies that someone sharing the same DNA has somehow put themselves in a position to be able to offer someone housing.

Some fresh suggestions of domicile descriptors:

Shanty, squalor, lean-to, pop-tent, trailer and of course.....

a van, down by the riverrrrrrrrrrrr!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Monk/Dik...can you hang on a minute while I grab my leftover movie theater butter popcorn from yesterday?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I can just speak for myself. I am at work, if you wanna call it that.

'Your mom's basement' has been used too much, how about 'Your sister's guest room'?

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:14 PM

I got nothing against PF personally, but offer one modification in counselling you on the smack talk, specifically, cut it a little deeper and refer to the sister's guest room as a "ball room."

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Wasted space? Where have you been all offseason? Space is the one thing we have plenty of.


Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Ha, people are saying banks is expendable. Right now he's the #2 WR!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Monk - I did say 'F'n' dope... so, it's not like it wasn't foretold. Next time I'll be all 'Parental Advisory' and use the NSFW label, ok Pansy?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 2, 2011 11:56 AM

Monk? Pansy? Are you new to RI? Monk is our leading internet tough guy now that RedDMV doesn't post up here. You're probably gonna pay for this.

But I think he has a sock puppet named Pansy.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

if los rogers could catch the ball, he would be close to a dynamic player

if t williams stops being a d-bag and grows up and stays committed he can by a dynamic LT


Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

true deion was the worst tackler in nfl history, but you're talkin about prime time here, so you're comparing d-hall to prime time? it's not even close and i hate deion, but i respected his game, just not w/ us

ok, d-hall is a playmaker, but he's not dynamic.... i dont remember deion getting burned like dhall does

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 12:24 PM |

I remember an interview where Deion was taken to task on his tackling ability, or a lack thereof. He responded:

"Those aren't missed tackles......Those are business decisions!"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Washington is a mess. Clearly the Redskins are not going to spend any money on the available street free agents that have visited, seeing them sign elsewhere.

But at the same time the team is going to keep Haynesworth and pay him $5.4M for 2011 (assuming there is a season) to do nothing.

Wonderful.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | March 2, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse
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And how, pray tell, did we end up with a bum FA who does nothing? Are you suddenly suffering amnesia from the Cerrato approach where we sign everyone who walks through the door?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen our depth chart? If we don't draft a QB then keeping McNabb means we still have only 3 QBs. We only have 1 RDE and that's Vonnie Holiday. We only have 1 NT. Most teams carry 6-7 d lineman. Even if we draft a RDE and a NT we still have room on the roster for at least 1 more d lineman.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

All the crap that Haynesworth put us through and he still wants to keep him? The dude is a turd and needs to be cut or traded, no in between.

I know our roster, and we'll be fine without him, we did it most of the year last year when he was on the roster.

At NT, we'll keep Bryant to compete with the new guy we draft in the 1st or 2nd round. DE will have Carriker, Golston, Jarmon, and Holliday, and I assume we'll get at least 1 in the draft or FA.

By my count that's 7. We need to see what Jarmon can do at DE.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo isn't dynamic yet,....


Dude gets held a lot, and often it's not called: I'd say he's dynamic.

He's a 2x Pro Bowler.

Put him in a front-7 with a monstah NT and quick d-end, and suddenly, his sack total increases.

B.O. is fine, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Sure, he's a 2X Pro Bowler, but he didn't necessarily deserve it this past year.

8 1/2 sacks is not dynamic to me. I know that he got held a lot, but I felt like there were times where he needed to get to the QB and couldn't. A REAL dominant pass rusher would get there in clutch situations.

Other than the Barron hold in week 1, can you name another cluch sack or 'hold' where he came up big?

I am a big fan of Orakpo, and agree that a NT and complimentary OLB will benefit him greatly, but for me, it's not just sacks or holds, it's how do you perform in the clutch.

I want to see him be dynamic, I just think he's not there quite yet.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

All the crap that Haynesworth put us through and he still wants to keep him? The dude is a turd and needs to be cut or traded, no in between.

I know our roster, and we'll be fine without him, we did it most of the year last year when he was on the roster.

At NT, we'll keep Bryant to compete with the new guy we draft in the 1st or 2nd round. DE will have Carriker, Golston, Jarmon, and Holliday, and I assume we'll get at least 1 in the draft or FA.

By my count that's 7. We need to see what Jarmon can do at DE.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to trade him. I agree he should be traded. I wouldn't cut him no matter what though. Worst case scenario he can come in and rush the QB from the RDE spot on 3rd downs. We already have to pay him. Why not use him?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because they had the 4th (2008) and 1st (2009)ranked passing offenses in the NFL when KS was OC?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Then trade for Andre Johnson not Andre Light!

Will the real Andre please stand up!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to trade him. I agree he should be traded. I wouldn't cut him no matter what though. Worst case scenario he can come in and rush the QB from the RDE spot on 3rd downs. We already have to pay him. Why not use him?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is we already tried that this year.

The players were tired of answering questions about the blob, and rightfully so.

He doesn't like this defense, or ANY version of it. I just feel like he's a lost cause.

The only defense that would motivate him is the Tennessee D, and the last time I checked my time machine is in the shop, so that leaves trading him to Philly where his old coach is.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Im sure the plan is to trade fat al once there is a cba in place and teams can trade players but right now they can't

Posted by: hcicron | March 2, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If Davis is an 'above average PK returner' and more versititile in the offense, doesn't he then make BB expendable?
Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Not so fast my friend. Davis is a KR only. BB will return kicks and get mixed into the O more. No harm in bringing in people off of the street. People have to remember that they can't talk with any of the real talented FAs until there is a new CBA. Once again the guy they need to talk to that is available now is Marcus Spears (27 3-4 DE).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is we already tried that this year.

The players were tired of answering questions about the blob, and rightfully so.

He doesn't like this defense, or ANY version of it. I just feel like he's a lost cause.

The only defense that would motivate him is the Tennessee D, and the last time I checked my time machine is in the shop, so that leaves trading him to Philly where his old coach is.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd be all for that trade. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him. For me it's trade or keep. I'd never cut him. He could sign with Philly and we'd still be on the hook for 5 mil a year. I'm not paying him to sack our own QB. If anything it's addition by subtraction.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Andre Davis huh. Gonna have to do a bit better then that.
Little shanny is just killin me.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 2, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I would pass on Andre Davis and concentrate on Syndey Rice or pick up Julio Jones in the 1st round and then they can get there QB in the 2nd round. Either Christian Ponder or Jake Locker. And then spend the rest of the picks and FA on a NT, and outside linebacker,a safety,corner DE and offensive line. Regardless we have so many hole realistically it will b atleast 2 more years b4 we r a real contender. But I would definitely get a QB now so he can learn with the team because if u wait to get the QB after we have our Offensive line ready well then we would have 2 wait a couple more years while the QB learns the system and goes through his rookie mistakes. And that's y we should get a QB this year!!!!!!!!HTTR!!!!!!!!

Posted by: so-b-it | March 2, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Careful Monk...If we draft AJ or Julio then sign Jacoby and Andre500 (His expected Yardage per year) then maybe Shanny Jr is having visions of HOU dancing in his head!

And we'd better be that good, because if we don't get some Defensive help we'll need to score 40 a game to go 8-8.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

A REAL dominant pass rusher would get there in clutch situations.


The league's dominate pass srushing outside linebackers also work in systems where strong NTS-DEs make their jobs easy.

And B.O. doesn't have that, either.

His 8 sacks go up if a lineman is there pressuring the q-back too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Wonder which team he turned down...

Shaun Rogers left $2 million on the table to sign with Saints

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 2, 2011, 12:31 PM EST

Shaun Rogers has spent most of his career as a good player on a bad team: In 10 NFL seasons with Detroit and Cleveland, the best team he ever played on was the 2007 Lions, who went 7-9.

Now he’s sick of the losing, and willing to take less money to play on a good team.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that Rogers turned down a chance to make about $6 million elsewhere to sign with the Saints for about $4 million, because he wants to be in New Orleans.

Of course, things change quickly in the NFL, and it’s entirely possible that the unnamed team offering $6 million will turn out to be better than the Saints in 2011. That’d be just Rogers’ luck.

But Rogers wants to play for a good team, even if it costs him money. That’s a trait to be admired.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

But Rogers wants to play for a good team, even if it costs him money. That’s a trait to be admired.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Well at least he has one trait to be admired.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 2, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

But I think he has a sock puppet named Pansy.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't talk about PlayAction like that!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Shaun Rogers left $2 million on the table to sign with Saints"

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM

I know the 'Skins talked to him, which would suggest some interest on their part, but the guy is 31 and hasn't been a productive player since 2008, so my reaction is "big whoop."

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 2, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

His 8 sacks go up if a lineman is there pressuring the q-back too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, count me in the group that says Rak is without a doubt a "Dynamic" player. The #'s he's put up so far are astounding when you look at the supporting cast he's had in our front 7. Especially last season. If dude had a good NT and another OLB like Von Miller opposite he's be up there in the Dumervil sack range ie high teens.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

But Rogers wants to play for a good team, even if it costs him money. That’s a trait to be admired.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM |

I'll have to learn how a guy already making millions is being 'cost' money. There are a million other firms out there that would pay me way more money but with that would come, instability, worse benefits, fewer clients and a cut-throat environment due to a constant turnover because they are just not a winning outfit.

If you ask me, he made the right decision and that extra money left on the table will be made back in spades by years of sleeping well at night - something that is priceless.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Well at least he has one trait to be admired.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 2, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse
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One of his few traits which doesn't have gravitational pull.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd be all for that trade. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him. For me it's trade or keep. I'd never cut him. He could sign with Philly and we'd still be on the hook for 5 mil a year. I'm not paying him to sack our own QB. If anything it's addition by subtraction.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'd take that trade too. And trading him to Philly really doesn't scare me. We took their trash last year, let them take ours this year.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Andre Davis sounds too much like some of the other veteran wide receivers that have been through here: Galloway, Roydell, and Furrey. He's 31 and has been banged up. I say look elsewhere. It worries me that the Redskins have looked at S. Rogers and A. Davis that are past their prime. This sounds remarkably like free agency last year. Of course, they haven't signed anyone yet, so maybe they are just doing the guys a favor.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

His 8 sacks go up if a lineman is there pressuring the q-back too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, count me in the group that says Rak is without a doubt a "Dynamic" player. The #'s he's put up so far are astounding when you look at the supporting cast he's had in our front 7. Especially last season. If dude had a good NT and another OLB like Von Miller opposite he's be up there in the Dumervil sack range ie high teens.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:04 PM |

If the definition of dynamic is "ever changing", then yeah, everyone on the 'Skins D is dynamic - they have to be.

All joking aside, 'Rak is already a dynamic stud. My lone concern is that the league has gotten wise to his primary move which is to deliberately get himself wedged under an arm of the opposing O-lineman. It became clear that OC's in the league have counseled their linemen to defeat this technique by simply running him down the line of scrimmage making it look like Orakpo is holding with his armpit for lack of a better description.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

But I think he has a sock puppet named Pansy.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't talk about PlayAction like that!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 1:02 PM

I was hoping beep didn't bring up Pansy...didn't want to have to tell you but I lost him somewhere between the hamper and the dryer.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Per a league source, #Redskins have expressed interest in NT Kris Jenkins, formerly of @nyjets. Nothing close, but still have 36 hrs.
Twitter for Android • 3/2/11 12:32 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

His 8 sacks go up if a lineman is there pressuring the q-back too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, count me in the group that says Rak is without a doubt a "Dynamic" player. The #'s he's put up so far are astounding when you look at the supporting cast he's had in our front 7. Especially last season. If dude had a good NT and another OLB like Von Miller opposite he's be up there in the Dumervil sack range ie high teens.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Look, I think he's an awesome player, one of our FEW bright spots to look forward to in the future, I just think the word dynamic is a little too much for him, right now.

Fletcher is dynamic with the same supporting cast as Orakpo, and he's fighting off blocks and getting tackles all over the field.

Orakpo is 'awesome', but will be 'dynamic' with more help. Dynamic players don't need the help, there is a difference.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

But Rogers wants to play for a good team, even if it costs him money. That’s a trait to be admired.

....you have to wonder if the AH-Conditioning test/McNabb benching demotion to 3rd string thingy had anything to do with it.

Who wants to make more money in a place where the coach's have short history of turning on guys for no apparent reason?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This su*&s. What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to make more money in a place where the coach's have short history of turning on guys for no apparent reason?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:19 PM |

Let's examine that statement.

Haynesworth, in a nutshell, took his 21 million, then quit.

McB1tch resisted the system which he clearly didn't/couldn't learn and constantly changed plays at the LOS and NEVER, EVER took any responsibility for ANYTHING.

Yeah, no reason to "turn" on those dooshes.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping beep didn't bring up Pansy...didn't want to have to tell you but I lost him somewhere between the hamper and the dryer.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Why are you always losing puppets?

It's ok, I still have his twin brother Wimpy in the drawer. Be more careful next time!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Is Clay Matthews dynamic? He has the benefit of Raji, Jenkins, Hawk, etc. He has 2 more sacks than Orakpo over the last two years.

Orakpo is a dynamic pass rusher with only one move. He needs to add to his repertoire and be surrounded by an average front 7 and he'll be All-Pro.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Just once, I would like a coach, any coach, to come out and say publicly, "We're done with this loser."

Why can't that happen? It's not bad PR if it's true. In fact, it could be just the opposite.

It doesn't make you Al Davis necessarily, it makes you closer to a Parcells. Admit it, you all loved the way that dude spoke to the media. I know I did. He addressed the media the way I would address most here if we were to ever meet.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

regarding Rogers turning down 2 mill, I call bovine excrement...thats a fail safe way of Rogers's agent trying to make him look good. No team is gonna cop to offering him more money, let alone 6 million...this was a way for the saints to feel good about themselves, and for Rogers to be cast in a positive light....

dies, co-sign on spears...young, can hold the point, and would weaken an opponent...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 2, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to make more money in a place where the coach's have short history of turning on guys for no apparent reason?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:19 PM |

Let's examine that statement.

Haynesworth, in a nutshell, took his 21 million, then quit.

McB1tch resisted the system which he clearly didn't/couldn't learn and constantly changed plays at the LOS and NEVER, EVER took any responsibility for ANYTHING.

Yeah, no reason to "turn" on those dooshes.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:23 PM

Fine with me if Shanny is a doosh deterrent for the organization...exactly what they need right now.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl

Yeah, no reason to "turn" on those dooshes.


No one is excusing AH and McNabb's behavior.

But truth is, they traded for one guy and could've traded another when folks came their way with good offers.

But a vet FA looks at the redskin FO and must think, "Today, they want me."

"Tomorrow, they'll blame me for the decisions they made."

"I'll go somewhere else for less money and more stability."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Just once, I would like a coach, any coach, to come out and say publicly, "We're done with this loser."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:29 PM

Isn't that pretty much what Jeff Fisher said about Vince Young?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth, in a nutshell, took his 21 million, then quit.

McB1tch resisted the system which he clearly didn't/couldn't learn and constantly changed plays at the LOS and NEVER, EVER took any responsibility for ANYTHING.

Yeah, no reason to "turn" on those dooshes.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:23 PM

Fine with me if Shanny is a doosh deterrent for the organization...exactly what they need right now.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:31 PM |

I noticed the other doosh deterrent, Allen, in a clip yesterday of the league reps entering a hotel in DC and Allen held the door open for the guy that needs one of those pills from the movie "Limitless"....Roger Goddell.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Just once, I would like a coach, any coach, to come out and say publicly, "We're done with this loser."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:29 PM

Isn't that pretty much what Jeff Fisher said about Vince Young?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2011 1:33 PM |

Almost. In fact, it's as close as I've seen but still fell short because "The Mullett" clearly wasn't sure if the team would side with him or not.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Re: Andre Davis

Not in love with the player, but I'm in love with the thinking: looking at an ex-Texan WR who knows the offense and will fit in quickly.

All they have to do is apply that thinking to Jacoby Jones, and I'll be able to scratch one name off my FA wish list.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

McB1tch resisted the system which he clearly didn't/couldn't learn and constantly changed plays at the LOS and NEVER, EVER took any responsibility for ANYTHING.

Take blame?

McNabb was on the way to a 4,000 yards season with middlin' receivers and no running game.

Where is the blame in that?

The singular fault was that he could not take the team on his shoulders and pull out the occasional improbable win--believe me, if he had, he would not have pulled for Rex.

Kyle's issues was with how McNabb 'read the field', something that Rex did better to an 0-3 season conclusion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This su*&s. What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM
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If it's the official size jersey, maybe your kids could go camping in it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This su*&s. What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Use it as a boat cover?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

No one is excusing AH and McNabb's behavior.

But truth is, they traded for one guy and could've traded another when folks came their way with good offers.

But a vet FA looks at the redskin FO and must think, "Today, they want me."

"Tomorrow, they'll blame me for the decisions they made."

"I'll go somewhere else for less money and more stability."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:33 PM |

There is probably not one professional athlete who has ever lived that thought what you just suggested.

By veteran FA's, you mean players who are seeking their second or maybe third contract of their career - usually their last. Trust me, if the money is right, the athlete will sign. You're assuming these guys are so set that they have the luxury of being able to take into account how they "might" be treated. How a player "might" be treated comes in way behind guaranteed money, playing time, family, child support, agent pressure to make the best deal happen, taxes, family members, mistresses and about a million other things.

Booked.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Why would Wilson not sign a second round tender? Seems to me he's not going to get a better offer than that.

Why would the Redskins offer him a second round tender unless they felt he was going to be a bigger part of the defense? Here's a thought: they move Wilson inside to replace Rocky and then Zo and RJ hold down the outside LB position opposite Orakpo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

This su*&s. What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM
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Make it a sail on your ECU pirate ship? Arrrrr!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

something that Rex did better to an 0-3 season conclusion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

1-2. I thought Grossman did well in his audition...we seemed to move the ball and could have easily won both those games we lost.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Re: Andre Davis

Not in love with the player, but I'm in love with the thinking: looking at an ex-Texan WR who knows the offense and will fit in quickly.

All they have to do is apply that thinking to Jacoby Jones, and I'll be able to scratch one name off my FA wish list.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 1:40 PM
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Yeah, I think JJ would be the safer bet.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

something that Rex did better to an 0-3 season conclusion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

1-2. I thought Grossman did well in his audition...we seemed to move the ball and could have easily won both those games we lost.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:45 PM |

Was about to say almost the same thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM

You all are wrong...the correct answer is to have it signed by Dock...get it professionally framed...and cherish it forever.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming these guys are so set that they have the luxury of being able to take into account how they "might" be treated.


Yeah, I think lockerroom atmosphere, the coaches' reps, team philosophy, the leadership within the lockerroom and from the coaches has a lot to do with if a guy will sign.

A guy who already has money and is looking for a final FA deal, can be choosy.

It's the guys at the end of their 1st deal looking for a big pay day who swallow hard when they sign up with a team where friends twitter about azzholes coaches/FO and whatnot.

Money means little to a milionaire.

But to a player trying to become one, it means everything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Titans have interest in Carter. Decent 4-3 DE and a better person.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The singular fault was that he could not take the team on his shoulders and pull out the occasional improbable win--believe me, if he had, he would not have pulled for Rex.

Kyle's issues was with how McNabb 'read the field', something that Rex did better to an 0-3 season conclusion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM |

Actually and as usual, you're way off.

You used the word 'singular' as in a reason McLoser was benched but that's just flat wrong and again, all you're doing is trying to make a point with someone.

The SINGULAR reason McB1tch was pulled for Rex stemmed from his inability to run the plays the OC called. He was even warned of this in the weeks leading up to the Detroit game.

Dude, McNagg blows and he was living off his familiarity with a system he knew like the back of his hand in Philly.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Booked.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:43 PM

PF...may I suggest that you switch it up a bit and use the new, but similar word that is all the rage right now...

Winning!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

A guy who already has money and is looking for a final FA deal, can be choosy.

It's the guys at the end of their 1st deal looking for a big pay day who swallow hard when they sign up with a team where friends twitter about azzholes coaches/FO and whatnot.

Money means little to a milionaire.

But to a player trying to become one, it means everything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:50 PM |

Dude, seriously, that's an insane statement.

Sincerely,

Charlie Sheen

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Titans have interest in Carter. Decent 4-3 DE and a better person.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse


I'm sure more than a few 4-3 teams would be interested in Carter.

He accumulated little football wear-tear last year, and the year before had a double-digit sack season. He's in great shape, a great lockerroom presence, and already got a big pay-day from us.

All in all, another frustrating situation for Skins that will be a boon for someone else - some other team will benefit from the aftermath of our poor roster management/contract-cap situation.

Why can't it ever be the other way around?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude, McNagg blows and he was living off his familiarity with a system he knew like the back of his hand in Philly.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse


So, does he blow?

Or does he just need to play in a system like the one in Philly?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure more than a few 4-3 teams would be interested in Carter.


He could go to Chicago and fit in nicely with Peppers.

Say all you want about the bears, they have the best 4-3 d-line in the league for the few teams still running that front.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Money means little to a milionaire.

But to a player trying to become one, it means everything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:50 PM |

That might be one of the single most retarded statements I have ever heard from a human who cannot even speak firsthand relative to such a definitive statement.

Go talk to the multitude of athletes, past and present, who have gone broke after not earning a million, but tens of millions and ask them if earning more never meant anything to them.

These athletes' competitive nature doesn't end with their play on the field. These guys want to win at EVERYTHING! That includes FA contracts. If players really would consider avoiding the Redskins based on the fact that the team hasn't been a consistent winner in 20 years, why would we have still been able to sign top free agents (I'll spare you the list, it's long) all the way up to 2009?

Answer me that, oh yeah, you can't.

(rhymes with WINNING!)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Titans have interest in Carter. Decent 4-3 DE and a better person.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

......and rescues little kittens from trees.....

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM

You all are wrong...the correct answer is to have it signed by Dock...get it professionally framed...and cherish it forever.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:49 PM
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It would have to be a big frame.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

He could go to Chicago and fit in nicely with Peppers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

My prediction on AC is he ends up in Denver. Fox is going 4-3,I think his dad played and/or coached here and I believe he was down to Redskins or Broncos last time he was a FA.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

What am I going to do with my Derrick Dockery jersey?

Posted by: ECUPirate68 | March 2, 2011 1:22 PM

You all are wrong...the correct answer is to have it signed by Dock...get it professionally framed...and cherish it forever.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 1:49 PM
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It would have to be a big frame.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

How about a handicapped door frame from a nursing home? It'll be close, but it should fit.

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

...why would we have still been able to sign top free agents (I'll spare you the list, it's long) all the way up to 2009?

Because for the most part, all we've signed are guys at the end of their 1st contract looking for a big payday.

That answers you question.

And since we can infer that Shaun Rogers signed for less money with the Saints to play with a winner, we can assume he turned down D.C.'s big money.

That proves my point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now:

Andre Davis: Hi guys what's up?

Skins FO: Wow, you are a little smaller than we thought.

Andre Davis: Well, I've been this height all my life.

Skins FO: Well, at your size we're just surprised you beat the crap out of Cortland Finnegan.

Andre Davis: Uh, that was Andre Johnson.

Skins FO:...Awkward...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Man, you just have to love RI, where everyone thinks the rest of the league wants our discarded refuse because we've wanted (and got) theirs for so long.

Andre Carter is done. McNabb is not. That is all.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

He could go to Chicago and fit in nicely with Peppers.

Say all you want about the bears, they have the best 4-3 d-line in the league for the few teams still running that front.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse


He could go to the Vikes and bookend with Jared Allen since Ray Edwards looks to hit the market.

He could go to the Broncos and be a veteran presence to help Fox rebuild that 4-3.

He could go to the Saints and team up with his compadre GGGGGGregggggggg Williams for a playoff run.


Too bad we gave him a stupid "no-trade" clause in his contract, or we may have been able to find a spot for him and get something (anything) back...who in football gives "no-trade" clauses??

Oh, that's right, the Redskins do...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

All they have to do is apply that thinking to Jacoby Jones, and I'll be able to scratch one name off my FA wish list.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 1:40 PM

Technically, Jacoby Jones isn't UFA till after the end of the league year. And after the league year, he can't be signed till there is a new CBA. I think Andre Davis already was cut, so he would be UFA right now.

I don't remember the exact details about Santana Moss' contract voiding. Don't remember whether its the end of the league year (I remember there was something that happened five days after the Super Bowl ... not sure whether he became UFA on that date or that date was just a trigger he pulled allowing himself to become UFA at the end of the league year).

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

And since we can infer that Shaun Rogers signed for less money with the Saints to play with a winner, we can assume he turned down D.C.'s big money.

That proves my point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:13 PM |

you just said an assumption proves your point?

I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I have my fingers crossed that one of the headlines today is..."Casey Rabach Released".

Posted by: iH8dallas


Not a Big Fan of Rabach these days either, but how would you like it if he came down to MacDonald's and said he was keeping his fingers crossed that you'd soon be out of a job?

Seriously, after reading all the snark here recently, does ANYONE have a right to question why players only "selfishly" look after their own interests?

With fans like these, why should a player give a rodent's rump where he plays? They should go for the money. Guys who once would be proud to be Redskins, if God forbid, they read the tripe here, will leave Redskin Park without signing.

Oh wait...

Unfortunately, some jackholes here don't remember that, for instance, Portis missed playing time when he blew out his shoulder making a tackle in an exhibition game.

Or that Andre Carter has quietly, classilly gone about his business even when the defense didn't match his skill set, unlike Haynesworth.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Say all you want about the bears, they have the best 4-3 d-line in the league for the few teams still running that front.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM |

The Vikes, Titans, Philly and even the G-Spots are better.

WINNING!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

How long have you been channeling Charlie Sheen?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

How long have you been channeling Charlie Sheen?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:20 PM |

Hard not to when dude is on every channel.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

something that Rex did better to an 0-3 season conclusion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

1-2. I thought Grossman did well in his audition...we seemed to move the ball and could have easily won both those games we lost.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 1:45 PM |

Was about to say almost the same thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 1:47 PM
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Yeah, Grossman seems to have the offense down, which is something McNabb never did. It's a shame we didn't see Beck play at the end of the season. I would have liked to see how he had progressed.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl |

How long have you been channeling Charlie Sheen?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:20 PM |

Hard not to when dude is on every channel.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse


Of course he's on every channel.

He's "winning". Remember?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 1:40 PM

Technically, Jacoby Jones isn't UFA till after the end of the league year. And after the league year, he can't be signed till there is a new CBA. I think Andre Davis already was cut, so he would be UFA right now.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse


Right.

I'm just saying that when the "UFA" time comes for Jones, that I hope the Skins mentality is - "Hey, let's zero-in on some ex-Texan WRs who are on the market?"

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hard not to when dude is on every channel.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:21 PM

Ha! True that, but doesn't your remote come with "mute" and "off" buttons?

Actually, truth be known, I've already come up with replacements for Sheen on "Two and a Half Men"

http://open.salon.com/blog/corkwriter/2011/03/02/the_official_top-ten_list_of_charlie_sheen_replacements

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 2:14 PM


We have a winna'.

Funniest post of the week.

Prize, you say: one free night with mrsmoe and a female of your choice at a local hotel.

mrsmoe won't say what'll happen.

Thing is, I hope your hoe won't tell either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, some jackholes here don't remember that, for instance, Portis missed playing time when he blew out his shoulder making a tackle in an exhibition game.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

And are we supposed to give him kudos for that?


Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 2:14 PM


We have a winna'.

Funniest post of the week.

Prize, you say: one free night with mrsmoe and a female of your choice at a local hotel.

mrsmoe won't say what'll happen.

Thing is, I hope your hoe won't tell either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:26 PM |

You forgot to mention he's be in the Charlie Sheen Presidential Suite which comes stocked with over-the-hill pornstars, a suitcase full of blow, balsa wood furniture so you can smash it like Albert Haynesworth sitting on a beer can and .....wait for it......

even more coke.


"WINNING"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha! True that, but doesn't your remote come with "mute" and "off" buttons?

Actually, truth be known, I've already come up with replacements for Sheen on "Two and a Half Men"

http://open.salon.com/blog/corkwriter/2011/03/02/the_official_top-ten_list_of_charlie_sheen_replacements

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:25 PM
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Why not keep Sheen, bring in Mel Gibson and Michael Richards and call it "Three and Half IQ Points"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

How long have you been channeling Charlie Sheen?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:20 PM |


I think AH has been channeling Sheen...or...maybe Sheen is channeling AH?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Prize, you say: one free night with mrsmoe and a female of your choice at a local hotel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:26 PM

Damn monk..seems we won on the wrong week...and had to share mrsmoe...not that I'm comlaining...oh well the weeks not over yet...the SPG needs you to go full 100% schtick through friday!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

...why would we have still been able to sign top free agents (I'll spare you the list, it's long) all the way up to 2009?

Because for the most part, all we've signed are guys at the end of their 1st contract looking for a big payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse
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Haynesworth, Lloyd, Randle El, Marcus Washington, Archuleta, Bowen, and Rabach all came here via the 2nd contract, and that only goes back to 2004.

Not an All Star Team, but I'd say our big misses were on trades like Portis, Brunell, Duckett, Trung freakin Candidate, Taylor, Kendall, Thomas, Brown, and McNabb. Even the guys who contributed a couple of solid years were overpaid and/or injury prone.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

P-F

I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit.

Let me call my sponsor.

He'll want to get high, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why not keep Sheen, bring in Mel Gibson and Michael Richards and call it "Three and Half IQ Points"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse


"Two and Half IQ Points"

No need to fiddle with the show's title that much.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Can we please not sign every Houston Texan cast-off that K. Shanahan worked with.

Posted by: mgatorian1 | March 2, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned earlier about the odds of higher picked QB's having success .. or something like that? Anyway, I had this list saved from an old conversation. Don't know if it helps, but it's all the QB's taken in the first four rounds, over the past 8 years.

Round Player Team

2010
1 Sam Bradford Rams
1 Tim Tebow Broncos
2 Jimmy Clausen Panthers
3 Colt McCoy Browns
4 Mike Kafka Eagles

2009
1 Matthew Stafford Lions
1 Mark Sanchez Jets
1 Josh Freeman Buccaneers
2 Pat White Dolphins
4 Stephen McGee Cowboys

2008
1 Matt Ryan Falcons
1 Joe Flacco Ravens
2 Brian Brohm Packers
2 Chad Henne Dolphins
3 Kevin O'Connell Patriots

2007
1 JaMarcus Russell Raiders
1 Brady Quinn Browns
2 Kevin Kolb Eagles
2 John Beck Dolphins
2 Drew Stanton Lions
3 Trent Edwards Bills
4 Isaiah Stanback Cowboys

2006
1 Vince Young Titans
1 Matt Leinart Cardinals
1 Jay Cutler Broncos
2 Kellen Clemens Jets
2 Tarvaris Jackson Vikings
3 Charlie Whitehurst Chargers
3 Brodie Croyle Chiefs

2005
1 Alex D. Smith 49ers
1 Aaron Rodgers Packers
1 Jason Campbell Redskins
3 Charlie Frye Browns
3 Andrew Walter Raiders
3 David Greene Seahawks
4 Kyle Orton Bears
4 Stefan Lefors Panthers

2004
1 Eli Manning Chargers
1 Philip Rivers Giants
1 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers
1 J.P. Losman Bills
3 Matt Schaub Falcons
4 Luke McCown Browns

2003
1 Carson Palmer Bengals
1 Byron Leftwich Jaguars
1 Kyle Boller Ravens
1 Rex Grossman Bears
3 Dave Ragone Texans
3 Chris Simms Buccaneers
4 Seneca Wallace

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 2, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld


I lost that argument, dude.

I can deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

......and rescues little kittens from trees.....

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Everytime you treat yourself like an amusement park, a Domo kills a kitten. Thank god for AC.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Can we please not sign every Houston Texan cast-off that K. Shanahan worked with.

Posted by: mgatorian1 | March 2, 2011 2:41 PM |

Agreed. It's like no NFL player in history changed teams and continued their success in a new system. "Hello?"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 2, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse


That 2007 Class is dud.

Not a single NFL starter among them.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Funniest post of the week.

Prize, you say: one free night with mrsmoe and a female of your choice at a local hotel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I can say from experience that Mrs. Moe was the best prize ever! Thanks again Moe!

Just a warning, she's a little rough with her teeth and no gag reflex, so it could be a wild night! She got so into it that she bit a hole in my sock puppet and almost swallowed it!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld


I lost that argument, dude.

I can deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:42 PM |

I've never see you win one. But, I am glad you're able to deal. Practice must actually make perfect after all.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Can we please not sign every Houston Texan cast-off that K. Shanahan worked with.

Posted by: mgatorian1 | March 2, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

??

We had Rex Grossman for a year and now he's an FA...have we signed any others?

Frankly, I'd like to see more Texan castoffs that K.Shanny has worked with - starting-caliber castoffs, of course.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl

I've never see you win one. But, I am glad you're able to deal. Practice must actually make perfect after all.


Arguing and debating were never my strong points.

Snarky insight is more of my cup 'o tea.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

I lost that argument, dude.

I can deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse
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Given that I was mostly supporting your position, I guess I lost too, then.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowl

I've never see you win one. But, I am glad you're able to deal. Practice must actually make perfect after all.


Arguing and debating were never my strong points.

Snarky insight is more of my cup 'o tea.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:51 PM |

Ha! Sounds good, Moe. Snarkiness is one of my secrets to success.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we already have Andre Davis on the roster - his name is Roydell Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 2, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we already have Andre Davis on the roster - his name is Roydell Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 2, 2011 2:55 PM

Hey...take it easy...he's just coming off a 100 yard...season.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"I would crush you in any debate after a 3 day bender and a bonghit."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl

"How long have you been channeling Charlie Sheen?"

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2011 2:20 PM

"Hard not to when dude is on every channel."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:21 PM


"Of course he's on every channel. He's "winning". Remember?"

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:23 PM

Sorry, my "normal" mind can't process this conversation.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 2, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we already have Andre Davis on the roster - his name is Roydell Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 2, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

See, even NFL players have sock puppets!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 2, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Say all you want about the bears, they have the best 4-3 d-line in the league for the few teams still running that front.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 2:04 PM |

The Vikes, Titans, Philly and even the G-Spots are better.

WINNING!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

moe...psst...hey... football outsiders has the bears d-line ranked #2 behind the Steelers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

That 2007 Class is dud. Not a single NFL starter among them.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 2:45 PM
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You think that's bad ... check out all the QB's taken after round 5 (over the past 8 years):

2010
John Skelton, Jonathan Crompton,
Rusty Smith, Dan LeFevour, Joe Webb,
Tony Pike, Levi Brown, Sean Canfield,
Zac Robinson

2009
Rhett Bomar, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater, Mike Teel, Keith Null, Curtis Painter, Julian Edelman

2008
John David Booty, Dennis Dixon,
Josh Johnson, Erik Ainge, Colt Brennan,
Andre Woodson, Matt Flynn, Alex Brink

2007
Jeff Rowe, Troy Smith, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Thigpen

2006
Ingle Martin, Omar Jacobs, Reggie McNeal, Bruce Gradkowski, D.J. Shockley

2005
Dan Orlovsky, Adrian McPherson,
Derek Anderson, James Kilian, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick

2004
Craig Krenzel, Andy Hall, Josh Harris,
Jim Sorgi, Jeff Smoker, John Navarre,
Cody Pickett, Bramlet, Matt Mauck,
B.J. Symons, Bradlee Van Pelt

2003
Brian St. Pierre, Drew Henson,
Brooks Bollinger, Kliff Kingsbury,
Gibran Hamdan, Ken Dorsey

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 2, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hamdan had a couple nice years in NFL Europe.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

moe...psst...hey... football outsiders has the bears d-line ranked #2 behind the Steelers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:11 PM


PAskinsfan...psst...hey...Moe said 4-3, the Steelers run a 3-4...pay attention.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hamdan had a couple nice years in NFL Europe.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

So did Bramlet.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Hamdan had a couple nice years in NFL Europe.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

So did Bramlet.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:25 PM

Yes, thats actually who I was thinking of haha...but Hamdan did too.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan...psst...hey...Moe said 4-3, the Steelers run a 3-4...pay attention.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

You pay attention. PF suggested that the Vikes, Ginas, and Eagirls had better 4-3 dlines. According to FO the Bears DID have the best 4-3 d-line. Moe was right. In fact the only line better than the Bears in the entire NFL was 1 3-4 line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan...psst...hey...Moe said 4-3, the Steelers run a 3-4...pay attention.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

You pay attention. PF suggested that the Vikes, Ginas, and Eagirls had better 4-3 dlines. According to FO the Bears DID have the best 4-3 d-line. Moe was right. In fact the only line better than the Bears in the entire NFL was 1 3-4 line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:33 PM |

Regardless, any team and in this case the teddy bears, that are on the other end of one of the best games the 'Skins played all year - props to DHall of course - suck royal elephant penis.

WINNING!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Scamp...this is when you say "my bad".

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I really don't like saying this. It's a very negative attitude, but I, like many others, am hoping that Casey Rabach is allowed "to test free agency."

He was good for a two or three years, but is now so far past his used by date that keeping on the roster looks less like a mistake, and more like a piece of installation art. A kind of David versus Goliath, minus the slingshot.

I don't care how good his line calls are, they don't compensate for him being constantly deposited in his QBs lap.

My hope for free agency: two new, starting calibre guards. I'd like a centre as well, but it is probably too much to hope for. Lichtensteiger and Montgomery should be able to hold down the spot for a year or two. They are both more suited to centre than guard.

I'd like to see us resign Jammal Brown, if only to see how well he can play after an extra off-season to recover.

The draft should concentrate on imporving the pass rush. The greatest depth seems to be in the defensive front seven. With a bit of luck one or two teams above us will dip a toe into the QB class and that will free up some genuine talent.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 2, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, any team and in this case the teddy bears, that are on the other end of one of the best games the 'Skins played all year - props to DHall of course - suck royal elephant penis.

WINNING!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

They don't always suck elephant penis but when they do it's royal elephant penis.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

doesn't he then make BB expendable?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2011 11:58 AM

Can someone please delete or edit this before iH8 gets home from class and sees it?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Too late. I'm back from class.

Needless to say I am not too happy about the above comment.

Expendable? F_cking Expendable?

BB was one of 2 electric players last year, the other being Anthony Armstrong.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

fyi...typing 'winning' at the end of every post, is a sure fire indicator that you're about as insecure, small, and shallow as a person can be...seriously, the only way you'd come across as having the napoleonic complex MORE, is if you put in your height instead....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 2, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I was worried about the possibility that we might draft Julio Jones.

Receiver should be the last position we look at but after the combine I wouldn't be apoplectic if they picked Jones. It wasn't his athleticism, which was incredibly impressive, it was his attitude.

The guy likes to block. Seems like a solid team player and never complained about playing in an office that rarely featured him as the primary focus.

Could he be a genuine successor to Art. Monk? Few would complain about spending a first on a new offensive lineman, but a superlative blocking receiver might be almost as crucial to a zone blocking run game.

Having a big bodied possesion receiver might also help with pass blocking, just because he is likely to get open more quickly than anyone we currently have on our roster.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 2, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

BB was one of 2 electric players last year, the other being Anthony Armstrong.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 3:48 PM |

So, the Redskins have players that can be described as 'electric' and 'hybrid' to go along with our 'recycled' coaching staff.

If only we still had Darrell 'Green', we could win the trophy for the most environmentally friendly team in the league!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

fyi...typing 'winning' at the end of every post, is a sure fire indicator that you're about as insecure, small, and shallow as a person can be...seriously, the only way you'd come across as having the napoleonic complex MORE, is if you put in your height instead....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 2, 2011 3:50 PM |

Thank youuuuuuuuuu Dr. Phil!

My personal diagnosis of you is that you're a grouchy, un-funny bag of doosh.

WINNING! hahahaa

QueentownGreg, you're barely qualified to even type in here, let alone determine a psychological diagnosis.

Sounds to me like you just hate yourself.....which you should, you fag.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Needless to say I am not too happy about the above comment.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 3:48 PM |

Haha...sorry you had to see that...I tried.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 2, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are really desperate at WR.

This is the least talented group of wide receivers in the NFC.

Shanahan is sniffing around at any wide receiver with NFL experience who can be had on the cheap because he has suffered an injury problem, etc.

Most of the time these players are available not because they are great finds but because they blow.

Plain and simple.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | March 2, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

and point proven....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 2, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please publish a definitive list of players and who shall be classified as:

Dynamic

Electric

Awesome

Adequate

Sucks Elephant Dong

My head is spinning...One minute I think a guy is dynamic, then I think maybe he's only awesome. But not electric.

I know we have enough Sucks Elephant Dong types though- 4-12 and 6-10 tell me that much is clear.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If I were Davis, I'd be trying out for the UFL this spring instead of a comeback in the NFL (implying he did something when he was playing).

He won't make that league either, but it will free up his summer.

Posted by: guruvinny | March 2, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please publish a definitive list of players and who shall be classified as:

Dynamic

Electric

Awesome

Adequate

Sucks Elephant Dong

My head is spinning...One minute I think a guy is dynamic, then I think maybe he's only awesome. But not electric.

I know we have enough Sucks Elephant Dong types though- 4-12 and 6-10 tell me that much is clear.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 2, 2011 4:01 PM |

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

You think that's bad ... check out all the QB's taken after round 5 (over the past 8 years):

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 2, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse
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It's interesting to note the recent contrast in late round starters vs the previous decade.

From '90-'00, you have a handful of guys who had extended NFL careers without top draft billing:

O'Donnel (3rd)
Favre (2nd)
Blake (6th)
Brunell (5th)
Grbac (8th)
Green (8th)
Plummer (2nd)
Hasselbeck (6th)
Bulger (6th)
Brady (6th)
Kurt Warner (undrafted)

This decade... not so much.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I know we have enough Sucks Elephant Dong types though- 4-12 and 6-10 tell me that much is clear.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty


you see that's a DYNAMIC post right there, but not electric

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I know we have enough Sucks Elephant Dong types though- 4-12 and 6-10 tell me that much is clear.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty


you see that's a DYNAMIC post right there, but not electric

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but do you think his post is a franchise post?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I know we have enough Sucks Elephant Dong types though- 4-12 and 6-10 tell me that much is clear.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
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But by golly they all have trade value!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I know he gets a lot of hate in here, but P_F's posts trip me out.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Once again the guy they need to talk to that is available now is Marcus Spears (27 3-4 DE).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 12:49 PM

Ditto this ... meanwhile, yesterday the Patriots signed Marcus Stroud (32 4-3 DT/3-4 DE).

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This is an ELITE post. Everyone else can learn a thing or two from it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I know he gets a lot of hate in here, but P_F's posts trip me out.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 4:18 PM |

Pasted into a Word document, printed and soon to be framed and mounted on my office wall between an award plaque and my prized photo with Christopher Walken from NYE 2000/Y2K.

I may send a car for you to come by and sign it for me as well as pose for a photo.

Epic.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 2, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

quick hits:

Clinton Portis plays next in ... Houston
Andre Carter plays next in ... New Orleans
Derrick Dockery plays next in ... Seattle

I'm also predicting I go 0/3 on those predictions, meaning I'll at least get prediction get 1 right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Once again the guy they need to talk to that is available now is Marcus Spears (27 3-4 DE).

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 12:49 PM

A Cowboy? That's gross.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but do you think his post is a franchise post?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

i wouldnt give it a franchise tag, but it's gutsy

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 2, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

slightly delayed hits:

Portis does not play next season.
Carter plays in Denver.
Dockery plays in ... wait for it ... Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

slightly delayed hits:

Portis does not play next season.
Carter plays in Denver.
Dockery plays in ... wait for it ... Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween
Stop it! If you say it, it might come true.

Posted by: WishboneJr | March 2, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse


Via @AdamSchefter on NFL Live, Redskins will keep Donovan McNabb until they can trade him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

A Cowboy? That's gross.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 2, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse
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Has there ever been an ex-Cowboy who played even above SED here in DC?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Via @AdamSchefter on NFL Live, Redskins will keep Donovan McNabb until they can trade him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 4:49 PM

All the more reason to trade him for Carson Palmer and a pick by tomorrow midnight.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been an ex-Cowboy who played even above SED here in DC?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 2, 2011 4:52 PM

There was an obscure CB/PR named Deion Sanders. He once almost out-ran a Punter in honorable service to the B & G. It was literally worth millions of dollars.

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 2, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

All the more reason to trade him for Carson Palmer and a pick by tomorrow midnight.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 5:09 PM

No trades until a new CBA.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Via @AdamSchefter on NFL Live, Redskins will keep Donovan McNabb until they can trade him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse


Is Schefter breaking news with that tweet?

Am I missing something or didn't we all know that was the plan?

Was anyone seriously entertaining the idea that we'd just cut him?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, same-old stupid stuff...Davis hasn't played in a year (injured, imagine that) and best season was 2007, 4 years ago. There are NO OTHER recievers to look at, nothing in the draft?? We just spin wheels with new faces who become burdens the day after bonus is cashed.

Posted by: aginsburg | March 2, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Question: Are they using stopwatches at the combine to time the 40s?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, same-old stupid stuff...

Posted by: aginsburg | March 2, 2011 5:25 PM

Same-old stupid stuff? Where have you been all these years? Same-old stupid stuff is Jason Taylor, Albert Haynesworth, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Adam Archuletta, Antwaan Randle El.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse


AdamSchefter

Here's a shocker: Packers cut LB A.J. Hawk today.
10 minutes ago via web

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

AdamSchefter

Here's a shocker: Packers cut LB A.J. Hawk today.
10 minutes ago via web

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse


They're gonna re-sign him to a deal that works out better for the team.

He was slated to make $10.5 mill in salary.

They can probably restructure, convert some of the salary to bonus and spread it out - Skins used to do that alot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

AdamSchefter

Here's a shocker: Packers cut LB A.J. Hawk today.
10 minutes ago via web

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse


They're gonna re-sign him to a deal that works out better for the team.

He was slated to make $10.5 mill in salary.

They can probably restructure, convert some of the salary to bonus and spread it out - Skins used to do that alot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

There were rumors that he would be cut.

p1, they may try to resign him, but in the meantime he is a FREE agent.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the difference between the A.J. Hawk situation and the Albert Haynesworth situation is that Hawk was scheduled to make $10.5M on tomorrow, compared to Haynesworth who is scheduled to wake up tomorrow.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins used to do that alot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM

Skins restructured contracts. I don't remember them cutting guys and then signing them to lower contracts.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM

They have depth at LB and AJ may not be starting there.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I predict that I will poop my pants sometime in the next 20 minutes.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 2, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Skins used to do that alot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM

Skins restructured contracts. I don't remember them cutting guys and then signing them to lower contracts.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 5:49 PM

That's because players come here to get paid. They go to other teams to win (Steelers/Pats) and soon to be GB.

It's sad but 100% true, you can thank Dan Snyder for building that culture.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk released by the Pack...Fletch isn't getting any younger...

Posted by: uncckc | March 2, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

from Andrew Brandt Packers release AJ Hawk, expected move. We negotiated 6 yr deal structured to re-do in 5th yr. Sides now negotiating longer deal.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk released by the Pack...Fletch isn't getting any younger...

Posted by: uncckc | March 2, 2011 7:07 PM

He isn't? Neither is AJ Hawk. Neither are you. Neither is Diesel44. Only I am.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

He isn't? Neither is AJ Hawk. Neither are you. Neither is Diesel44. Only I am.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, when you get to be your age, beep-beep, you just can't get any older.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

He was slated to make $10.5 mill in salary.

They can probably restructure, convert some of the salary to bonus and spread it out - Skins used to do that alot.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2011 5:38 PM |

They ain't no way in H the dude would make anywhere close to $10 M if he resigns with Pack

1. He's a 1st round pick that never lived up to the hype.
2. The Pack is a frugal org in a small market that soon will have to pay $$$ to Aaron Rogers and Clay Matthews.
3. He's a OSU grad. See #1 above.
4. He dated Brady Quinn's sis.

#4 alone is enough to doom the poor bastid.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins cut Andre Carter

Do this mean that there won't be no more jeremiads from that forker about how undervalued the dud is? Goody goody gumdrop!

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 2, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

He isn't? Neither is AJ Hawk. Neither are you. Neither is Diesel44. Only I am.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 7:43 PM |

Let us know when you crawl back into your mom's womb. We'll have a party.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

What do you all think? Are there REALLY media outlets that hate the Redskins?

I'm not saying you should be a homer, but I swear to god, this team can't do anything right according to them.

List who you think are Redskin haters in the media.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Do this mean that there won't be no more jeremiads from that forker about how undervalued the dud is? Goody goody gumdrop!

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:19 PM

Must be baby talk night again on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter of ESPN is the latest to say that the Redskins will keep their troubled and disgruntled defensive tackle, ...

Every summer Hollywood treats us to sequels of previous blockbusters. Like there is going to be a sequel this summer to the Transformer shti. So now it looks like the sports world has seen how popular this can be and the Skins will do the honors with "AH - Conditioning Drill II" to come out it July if there is a CBA by then. It might even be featured on HBO's "Hard Knocks". I wonder what the script will be this time - surely they can improve of the "potty break" copout from last summer. They can even liven things up a bit by getting a co-star for AH - DM. We all know that DM wasn't cardio enough to do the 2 min drill in 2010 so they can weave him into the storyline to make things more interesting. If ever there was a reason to root for the CBA being signed in time for training camp, this is it!

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 8:19 PM

Must be baby talk night again on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The muppets are coming back as RI sock puppets..

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 2, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

List who you think are Redskin haters in the media.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 2, 2011 8:46 PM |

Hate builds up when:

1. The owner sues the shti out of a small indie weekly.

2. You have a leading candidate for "Humanitarian of the Year" award on the team.

3. You lose.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan...psst...hey...Moe said 4-3, the Steelers run a 3-4...pay attention.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

You pay attention. PF suggested that the Vikes, Ginas, and Eagirls had better 4-3 dlines. According to FO the Bears DID have the best 4-3 d-line. Moe was right. In fact the only line better than the Bears in the entire NFL was 1 3-4 line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 2, 2011 3:33 PM |

Mea Culpa. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a conversation without getting the whole story.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Draft: Miller could boost pash rush

This is why you should never blog drunk.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

why in the world would any nfl team waste 20 seconds thinking about andre davis? david segui was an iron man in comparison.

Posted by: rev_ollie | March 2, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Mea Culpa. That's what I get for jumping into the middle of a conversation without getting the whole story.

Posted by: scampbell1975

who has been giving Scamp the latin lessons?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

who has been giving Scamp the latin lessons?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM

If I had to channel my inner scamp...He would say your momma?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is likely to return to the Redskins
By Cindy Boren

1. Insubordination. Suspension. A couple of arrests. Coach no talk to him.
2. Sounds like a countdown to release.
3. B Allen, A Schefter say Skins going to keep him.
4. If you are success in cornvincing peeps that you intend to keep him then why would a team bother to ask about a trade?
5. If teams think you won't keep him them they will wait until release instead of a trade.

It's a Yossarian moment, no?

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

the so-called team would get a little better(not by much) if rabach, heyer, doughty, r. williams, licthensteiger, hall were released immediately..after that fire shanahan his son and haslett. these morons are still bringing in WR's over 30yrs of age who have been out of football for several yrs with mediocre stats. many here are gluttons for punishment because if there is a season in 2011 it will be another losing one.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 2, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Must be baby talk night again on RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 2, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The muppets are coming back as RI sock puppets..

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 2, 2011 8:57 PM |

Eat me.

Signed,

The Muppets
Baby Talk Division

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rev_ollie | March 2, 2011 9:45 PM |

Amen, dude.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | March 2, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Senior night for Duke on their home network (ESPN) and I have this to say...

F Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Senior night for Duke on their home network (ESPN) and I have this to say...

F Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's start a list:

F Duke

F Dallas

F Chris Larry


Who else?


.

Posted by: edvar | March 2, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

who has been giving Scamp the latin lessons?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM

If I had to channel my inner scamp...He would say your momma?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 9:52 PM |

That would be putting it mildly D44. I'm seldom that subtle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

who has been giving Scamp the latin lessons?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM

If I had to channel my inner scamp...He would say your momma?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 9:52 PM |

That would be putting it mildly D44. I'm seldom that subtle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

who has been giving Scamp the latin lessons?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM

If I had to channel my inner scamp...He would say your momma?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 9:52 PM |

That would be putting it mildly D44. I'm seldom that subtle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

F Duke

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2011 10:29 PM

That's it? Duke is 27-3 and the big question is whether they're going to be a #1 or a #2 seed.

Maryland? They're seventh in the ACC and they were looking for that cliche "signature win" to have a shot at an NCAA bid. Now, they're just looking for a win, any win.

And what school's rallying cry is "F Maryland"? No one even cares.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Rabach a nice guy and a tough competior who is regularly dominated by defensive tackles must be replaced before the Skin's invest in a fanchise QB. Other positions that need to be addressed are G, WR, OLB, ILB, CB, DT, S, RB.

Posted by: waterboard | March 3, 2011 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is likely to return to the Redskins

This will occur because he hasn't been a professional wide receiver and has refused to make the reads that are demanded in Kyle Shanahan's 'offense'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Andre Davis sounds too much like some of the other veteran wide receivers that have been through here: Galloway, Roydell, and Furrey. He's 31 and has been banged up.

Don't post this.

There are folk sin here who think Andre Davis is Jerry Rice, jr.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Andre Davis sounds too much like some of the other veteran wide receivers that have been through here: Galloway, Roydell, and Furrey. He's 31 and has been banged up.


Don't post this.

There are folk sin here who think Andre Davis is Jerry Rice, jr.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:44 AM |

I'm curious who could possibly think this, I mean, certainly he's better than, say, a Devin Thomas but that ain't sayin' much. But Jerry Rice? Ridiculous (exaggeration aside)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

The Vikes, Titans, Philly and even the G-Spots [have the best 4-3 front in the league]....WINNING!

Winnnnninng?

Let's see: (from NFL.com)

Rank 8 Minnesota Vikings 16 21.8 348

Rank 9 Chicago Bears 16 17.9 286

Rank 12 Philadelphia Eagles 16 23.6 377

Rank 26 Tennessee Titans 16 21.2 339

But for a field goal per game, I'm right.

Again: Andre Carter would be smart to latch on to a team like the bears where he could fit in a mix featuring him and J Peppers.

The titans are re-building, the iggles converting to a 3-4, and the vikes, well, with deteriorating tackle play and without a stud q-back--yikes!!!!

Dre', give Lovie a call.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

(continued)March 3, 2011 7:54 AM


And when you see that the Bears overall 4-3 D gives up so few yards when compared to other 4-3 defenses, you'd be hard-pressed to claim you've won an argument with me.

Again: the Chicago Bears feature the best of the remaining 4-3 defenses.

(The Giants are ranked higher--7th--but give up 340+ yards a game)


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

There are folk sin here who think Andre Davis is Jerry Rice, jr.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:44 AM

This could be true, but so what? There are folks in here who think that Mike Shanahan never coached a winning football team, that Albert Haynesworth is a victim, that Clinton Portis will lead the league in rushing next year, and that MistaMoe is a Moeron.

Okay, maybe they have point on that last one. Bad example. But at least I'm hitting .750 which is great even in Spring training.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

And what school's rallying cry is "F Maryland"? No one even cares.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 6:17 AM | Report abuse
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F Duck.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Andre Davis sounds too much like some of the other veteran wide receivers that have been through here: Galloway, Roydell, and Furrey. He's 31 and has been banged up.

Don't post this.

There are folk sin here who think Andre Davis is Jerry Rice, jr.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 7:44 AM |

I'm curious who could possibly think this, I mean, certainly he's better than, say, a Devin Thomas but that ain't sayin' much. But Jerry Rice? Ridiculous (exaggeration aside)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I think people are missing the point of us bringing him in and possibly signing him: He's not the answer at WR, just a kick returner being brought in to allow BB a chance to get on the field more.

We'll sign a FA receiver, maybe one of the Jones', from GB and Hou. AA will be our #2, for now, and Kelly will compete will him (not holding my breath).

Austin will probably work out of the slot to replace Moss, and BB can be moved all over the field, as a RB, maybe the Wildcat, in the slot, in bunch receiver sets.

So it is unfair to compair Andre Davis to anyone, cause he won't hit the field as a receiver. Everyone just needs to chill out and let the FO do their job.

They know what they're doing, it's not like Vinny is running the show anymore!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Why are people flipping out over talking with Andre Davis? If you look at our roster, we have a bunch of young guys who are unproven.

Where's the harm in bringing in a veteran who knows the system to be the rabbit in a greyhound race?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

So it is unfair to compair Andre Davis to anyone, cause he won't hit the field as a receiver.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:14 AM

Come on monk...thats not fair...he's in the record books after all...with about as long a touchdown catch as you can have...did Rice ever have a 99 yarder?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Come on monk...thats not fair...he's in the record books after all...with about as long a touchdown catch as you can have...did Rice ever have a 99 yarder?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I think that's about the only thing Rice didn't have.

I wonder if Rice ever had a sock puppet? Maybe he called him risotto!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Where's the harm in bringing in a veteran who knows the system to be the rabbit in a greyhound race?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

You ever seen what happens to the rabbit when the greyhounds catch him?

Brutal!

SAVE THE RABBITS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Rice ever had a sock puppet? Maybe he called him risotto!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:28 AM

Which Rice are you referring to here? Rice801?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The Day's Oddest Headline:

Charlie Sheen's Twitter account has more than 1 million followers

'Twitter' account?

Given that Sheen is a crackhead, shouldn't it be called a 'Tweakin' account?

I mean, that's what I would be doing if I had million hits in one day.

Somewhere, Whitney Houston, Rick James, and Bobby Brown are looking on saying, "Damn, that man is F'cked up."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Good analysis of our wr situation, monk

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

SAVE THE RABBITS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM

Rabbits have lisps. That would be SAVE THE WABBITS!!! And any wabbit who can't outwun the gweyhounds has outlived his usefulness and is asking to be cut.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

You ever seen what happens to the rabbit when the greyhounds catch him?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM

They don't use real rabbits do they? Oh...you must mean at Mike Vick's track?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

You ever seen what happens to the rabbit when the greyhounds catch him?

Brutal!

SAVE THE RABBITS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse
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I believe the term is, 'proper f#@$&ed'

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

And any wabbit who can't outwun the gweyhounds has outlived his usefulness and is asking to be cut.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:36 AM

I hear sometimes wabbits have to take a bathroom break in the middle of the races...not always their fault.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

There are folks in here who think that Mike Shanahan never coached a winning football team, that Albert Haynesworth is a victim, that Clinton Portis will lead the league in rushing next year, and that MistaMoe is a Moeron.

I believe all these statements.

I'm in a great mood.

A sexy, fine lady just took my blood pressure.

"It's elevated," she said, bending over to put away her BP kit.

"And oh, your blood pressure is up, too."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

You ever seen what happens to the rabbit when the greyhounds catch him?

Brutal!

SAVE THE RABBITS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM
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Actually, I have. I used to have neighbors who did the animal rescue thing for greyhounds. They used to let their dogs out in their yard and one day I'm out when they were out and one very stupid rabbit got under their fence and into their yard. It was like an explosion of fur and little rabbit inner parts! I couldn't believe it. I had no idea those skinny bastards were so vicious - at least to rabbits.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM

You missed your 20 minute window. Reports are that he's flying back to Green Bay to sign a new contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse
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First greyhounds, now hawks? The rabbit will not be pleased.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM
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There's a lot to like there. I think he fits the template for the kind of free agents Washington should be going after.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Which Rice are you referring to here? Rice801?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse


How'd you guess?

I'm working on a new one: beep-beep1

I think it's fresh and original!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse


AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM

You missed your 20 minute window. Reports are that he's flying back to Green Bay to sign a new contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 8:53 AM
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I wonder if Dan Snyder's plane can intercept Hawk's plane, force him to land, and get him to sign a Redskins contract...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

beep, didn't know that...oh well I guess...

saw this on PFT as well:

Vikings issue RFA tenders to Sidney Rice, Ray Edwards, three others

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm working on a new one: beep-beep1

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:56 AM

Already taken monk...thats the name of beep's invisible aircraft.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Good thought, you beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing when I saw it on NFL Network last night.

McIntosh is getting kicked to the curb anyway, and Hawk provides an instant starter with toughness, experience in the 3-4, not to mention playoff/SB experience. He should be our main focus, right with O.J. and a Guard for FA.

Then all we'll need to sign is a dude with the last name of Animal and we'll have the Road Warriors!

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM

The legendary King of Sparta? Hate to break it to you but he's dead...didn't you see the movie?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?

I'd rather gove R Henson or P Riley or C Wilson the chance to take over ILB once Rocky Mac is gone.

Remember: we have young linebackers.

Giving the guys we've drafted a shot at starting is a good idea, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I see the Packers already re-signed AJ Hawk -- just a salary fiddle.

Interesting article on why offensive lineman can be too tall to be effective...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41849993/ns/sports-nfl/

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea those skinny bastards were so vicious - at least to rabbits.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

You should see actual rabbit dogs. My cousin loves to rabbit hunt, and when the dogs flush out the rabbit and he shoots it, he dangles it in front of them just to tease them and give them a good scent for the next one. If they get a hold of it they will tear it up.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Already taken monk...thats the name of beep's invisible aircraft.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM

ONE of my invisible aircraft. There's also beep-beep2, beep-beep-beep, etc. And, someone's got a sock puppet up here, bleep-bleep. One of the Sock Puppet Gnag?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm working on a new one: beep-beep1

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 8:56 AM

Already taken monk...thats the name of beep's invisible aircraft.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Great, so he's a Super Hero now? What is there, a big french fry projected up in the sky when they need him???

How does he have time to manage the blog, cook fries, AND be a Super Hero!!!

What's his Super Hero name, Fry Guy???

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

AJ Hawk might be worth a look....young/talented guy at a need position....familiar with the 3-4..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 8:49 AM

With Hawk re-signed, the odd man out is Nic Barnett, the one guy who London Fletcher thinks is the most outstanding LB in the league and is perennielly overlooked.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The 3 phases of a day in RI Nation

1. Post Coffee: RIs officially kick off their day by hating players on or potentially on their team and offer suggestions to pursue other teams players.

2. Pre Lunch: As the coffee wears off, RIs continue their day by hating players on or potentially on their team and offer suggestions to pursue other teams players.

3. After Lunch and into late evening: RIs settle into a steady routine of hating players on or potentially on their team and offer suggestions to pursue other teams players. Behavior may be interrupted by general disagreement with the FO, and open hostility towards anyone who suggests that Andre Carter could not have gotten us at least a 2nd rounder last year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I love the BS excuse about Carter and his no-trade clause. Are you telling me that last year, given the opportunity to play in a 4-3, Carter wouldn't have wanted out of here? Don't his comments make it obvious he hated playing linebacker last year in a 3-4?

Chalk it up to Haslett and Shanny's hubris, thinking they could win now by trading draft picks and making all these misfits excel in their system.

I never thought it possible to dig a hole deeper than the one Vinny and Danny left us with. OH well they have lots of cap space to make more mistakes with.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I see the Packers already re-signed AJ Hawk -- just a salary fiddle.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 9:07 AM

Well, at least the rabbit will be relieved to hear this.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The 3 phases of a day in RI Nation

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM

What about the jibba jabba part ... or the random post from some poster who came here a million years ago and still gripes about Jason LaC and/or Jason Reid? ... or love/hate discussions about The Owner ... or the hate discussions of Vinnie ...

OR ANTONIO PIERCE!?!?

SAVE ANTONIO PIERCE

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea those skinny bastards were so vicious - at least to rabbits.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

You should see actual rabbit dogs. My cousin loves to rabbit hunt, and when the dogs flush out the rabbit and he shoots it, he dangles it in front of them just to tease them and give them a good scent for the next one. If they get a hold of it they will tear it up.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:09 AM
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Yeah, seen it. My uncle raises rabbit dogs and I've been hunting with him. But rabbit dogs have a different technique. They are more along the line of "I want to kill it so I can eat it". These greyhounds were more like, "I want to eradicate the rabbit's existence on this physical plane". Who would have thought that greyhounds are the dog world's psycho killers?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

One of the Sock Puppet Gnag?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 9:10 AM

Absolutely not, we'd only accept the original into the SPG.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Apart from Dallas, the other place I could see Dockery going is Pittsburgh.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

With Hawk re-signed, the odd man out is Nic Barnett, the one guy who London Fletcher thinks is the most outstanding LB in the league and is perennielly overlooked.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Barnett would be good to have. What's his status? Is he a FA? I wonder how he's doing coming off his injury!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Who would have thought that greyhounds are the dog world's psycho killers?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 9:24 AM

The animals are so overbread (and their skull space so narrow) that it shouldn't be surprising, except for this particular lunatic greyhound ...

http://www.hopperhome.com/Peaches-Tigerj.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Then all we'll need to sign is a dude with the last name of Animal and we'll have the Road Warriors!

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

And then we could hire Paul Ellering as the head coach! I can see the Redskins charging out of the tunnel and attacking their opponents before the whistle blows! If you are old enough to remember the Road Warriors you know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I hope the CBA gets done today.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

ONE of my invisible aircraft. There's also beep-beep2, beep-beep-beep, etc. And, someone's got a sock puppet up here, bleep-bleep. One of the Sock Puppet Gnag?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Naw, bleep-bleep is not mine.

I'd probably make one called bweep-bweep in honor of the rabbits today.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Then all we'll need to sign is a dude with the last name of Animal and we'll have the Road Warriors!

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

And then we could hire Paul Ellering as the head coach! I can see the Redskins charging out of the tunnel and attacking their opponents before the whistle blows! If you are old enough to remember the Road Warriors you know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we could sign Mick Foley. I liked him as a kid.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Barnett would be good to have. What's his status? Is he a FA?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:32 AM

Not yet, but he's due a ton of money ... and the last Green Bay LB due a ton of money was obligated to change the terms in order to stick around. Desmond Bishop stepped up (like depth does in GB), so Barnett has very little hand.

That said, I'm OK with given Robert Henson or Perry Riley a chance to make a name for himself. I'm thinking H.B. Blades hasn't really made that name for himself yet, and he's had a lot of time to do that.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

And then we could hire Paul Ellering as the head coach! I can see the Redskins charging out of the tunnel and attacking their opponents before the whistle blows! If you are old enough to remember the Road Warriors you know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Goddell will let us put spikes on our shoulder pads?

That would be cool!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Never heard of 'DRE DAVIS. Who is this guy? If good, he ad ATOGWE certainly would fill two big holes in the REDSKINS armor. That would allow ALLEN to focus more certainly on the q-back, o-line, and front seven defense.

We need a QB, but I don't feel this year's crop of rookies fills that need. None of them.

We need a gang-buster interior lineman. POUNCEY at guard and WISNIEWSKI at center are the only two I would consider as ready for the NFL at this point, and worth a second round pick.

There's a slew of ready front seven players and we need one with our first pick.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Classic RI Chatta:

Barnett would be good to have. What's his status? Is he a FA? I wonder how he's doing coming off his injury!

Nothing like constantly craving other teams players.

We do we even need draft picks?: let's just siphon off guys other teams have developed.

I'd say Perry Riley or Chris Wilson or Chris Clemens (oooops: he left untested) or RobJax a shot at outside linebacker and inside linebacker.

Good weed heads enjoy homeground product.

Redskin fans don't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I love the BS excuse about Carter and his no-trade clause. Are you telling me that last year...

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse
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You are a few hours early.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

You and all the other guys that harp on us not trading Carter last year do not understand the workings of the NFL.

I can almost guarantee you that Allen tried to trade him last year. But there were a set of circumstances that made that scenario improbable if not entirely impossible.

In all likelihood he could have been moved but he would have had to redo his contract.

He had a guaranteed $5 mil payday by sticking in DC he had ZERO reason to approve a trade that probably would have required him to take a 50% or more pay cut. Especially knowing he could bank the money and get his freedom in one year.

Carter was working on a Snyder/Cerrato deal- the kind that they were handing out like candy at the height of their power in the FO. These guys were rolling over contracts, doing reworked deals and guaranteeing money left and right to stay under the cap.

How else do you think a 29 YO RB (Portis) gets a guaranteed 7.5 mil in 2010...at the end of his prime? That's unheard of.

So add in ACs age and likelihood that his production was about to decline and you'd have 31 other teams looking at it and saying: "Yeah, we are not coming in and taking over that contract..." Any team that wanted him was probably looking at him being released within a year anyway due to the bad contract.

We probably had ZERO options other than to try and keep him around for one year. He's a good locker room vet and the staff probably hoped to get some gains there.

Just let it go...Shanahan did not get to where he is by purposely keeping overpriced players who don't fit his schemes. It takes time to clean up train wrecks and Vinny left a lot of blood on the tracks.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see loax given a shot at ILB. The spot next to London seems to involve shedding blocks and hitting ball carriers head on. It seems very well suited for someone that used to be a defensive lineman and special teams standout. It just makes sense a lot of sense to try him there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we could sign Mick Foley. I liked him as a kid.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 9:37 AM

And then if we could lure The Rock to Redskins Park...and reunite the Rock 'n Sock Connection...we will be unstoppable!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

At least instead of just guessing which washed up players we're going to pursue from other teams (Willie Parker, Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway, McNabb), we can now start to speculate on who will pick up OUR washed up players!

I could see Portis and Carter helping some teams out. If we don't re-sign Santana, he will definitely help a team where he's not asked to be #1.

On a slightly different note, I know it's fun to clown on Devin Thomas, but dude is just 24... he could eaily mature into a solid receiver. Even BLloyd improved his attitude and game, and I would not have bet on that.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Are you telling me that...

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 3, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Nobody's telling you anything. You already know it all.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Kamala, Hilbilly Jim and the One Man Gang would make a beast D-Line.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see loax given a shot at ILB.


Me too.

I say it's time to get some of our young'ns on the field, heck, the final games they played on D where very good and promising.

Guys like Robjax, K Barnes, D Scott, C Wilson, P Riley, L Alexander, A Bryant, and J Jarmon should all be given time to show us what they got before adding guys from other teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

If we don't re-sign Santana, he will definitely help a team where he's not asked to be #1.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 9:51 AM

Seems like there are a few teams with a solid #1 guy who could use some help with #2 upgrade to draw off the double coverage ... Detroit maybe. Also, Cleveland and St. Louis need reliable receivers to grow their QBs. But he's from Miami area growing up, maybe he'd want to be closer to home ... Miami? Jacksonville? Tampa?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Guys like Robjax, K Barnes, D Scott, C Wilson, P Riley, L Alexander, A Bryant, and J Jarmon should all be given time to show us what they got before adding guys from other teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

MOE:

I thought we did that last year. We've already tendered WILSON at a two. I would be sure that JACKSON comes back. He was decent at the end of last season. Lo-A did well, and he's a must for special teams. BRYANT showed up at NT, and god knows we need him to develop.

PERRY RILEY did not get enough on field play and he does need more time at ILB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what it will take to get Laurinitis from St. Louis?


I'd rather gove R Henson or P Riley or C Wilson the chance to take over ILB once Rocky Mac is gone.

Remember: we have young linebackers.

Giving the guys we've drafted a shot at starting is a good idea, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Even though having Laurinitis would be awesome, I was just joking.

I do like our linebackers, but there still are a lot of questions.

Is Riley ready? Hopefully he'll start all year.

Can Henson come back from injury and make the team?

Is Blades worth keeping?

Can Jackson play with enough intensity all year to make an impact at OLB?

Can Orakpo go a few plays without getting held?

What is Wilson's role? He's undersized and not a very good OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

What is Wilson's role? He's undersized and not a very good OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Do you mean he's an undersized DE?

Because he's absolutely not undersized for the OLB position.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

What is Wilson's role? He's undersized and not a very good OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:11 AM

Fullback

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we could sign Mick Foley. I liked him as a kid.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Socko is like the Godfather to all Sock Puppets!!!

That poor sock was subjected to smelling Foleys nads being stuffed in those pants. Isn't that sock abuse?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If we don't re-sign Santana, he will definitely help a team where he's not asked to be #1.


I like S Moss.

And I think we'll see a big-bodied receiver and a second-tier vet added to AA, TA, BB, and MK?.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I do like our linebackers, but there still are a lot of questions.


SoapBox Time:

If you improve the NT-DE-DT play, the questions about the linebackers get answered.

Great defensive linemen make okay linebackers look good.

We need to come out of the draft with 2 drafted defensive lineman.

I'm off the soapbox--for now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I like S Moss.

And I think we'll see a big-bodied receiver and a second-tier vet added to AA, TA, BB, and MK?.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse
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My money is on Julio Jones if he's available at #10.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It would be foolish NOT to re-sign Moss. He had one of his best season's last year, knows the system, never causes trouble, and wants to be here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Because he's absolutely not undersized for the OLB position.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ok, maybe not undersized, but I think he needs to hit the weights, maybe he's not strong enough.

He's got decent speed coming off the edge, but once the Tackle gets him at the point of attack he seems to get swallowed up.

He needs to release better. He's actually better with his hand in the ground as a 4-3 DE, some guys just can't stand up and do as well.

Did I clarify myself enough?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

My money is on Julio Jones if he's available at #10.


I'm not feeling this, but kinda agree.

The high number of athletic defensive linemen means you could conceivably snag a receiver at ten, q-b in round 2, and defensive lineman in rounds 4/5.

You might be right, matt.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

You only want to release the players that you know are not a fit for your team. Rabach, Horton, Kelly, McNabb, these type discussions are way too early. Rabach has been the starter for several years. So clearly some don't like him, but the starting experience, no one has replaced him. He would have to be considered a dependable starter at worst. Horton, has not been able to hold down a position, and Kelly oft injured, McNabb the embarrasment put on him with the whole benching thing. Rabach, even if replaced, would be a viable experienced backup. Horton, backup and special teams. Kelly, backup and special teams, maybe even a starter if he can maintain some health. McNabb, so if Grossman gets hurt pre-season, how smart would it be to have gotten rid of McNabb. The Skins seem to be making pretty good decisions, only release those who you know are not the right players for your team and the schemes it uses. Carter, Portis, Dockery will fit in and play next year.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | March 3, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

My money is on Julio Jones if he's available at #10.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 10:22 AM

I'm thinking he WILL be available (and that A.J. Green might even be available) and that, because if it, Skins might be able to find a trade partner who is in better shape roster-wise than the Skins are and be willing to trade down ... and right now, quantity is almost more imporant than quality with only the two picks in the first two rounds and nada again till the fifth.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It would be foolish NOT to re-sign Moss. He had one of his best season's last year, knows the system, never causes trouble, and wants to be here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, I would like to keep Moss.

The problem is how many more good seasons does he have left in him? People have been complaining for years about us holding onto players for too long.

Philly, NE, and Pitt. all know when to cut a player loose before he hits the wall.

I wouldn't be that hurt if we let him go, as long as we have some young up and comers to look forward to.

BTW, I think we have his replacement in Austin. He reminds me of Eddie Royal in Denver, small shifty guy that can make his living in the slot.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

And I think we'll see a big-bodied receiver and a second-tier vet added to AA, TA, BB, and MK?.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse


Uh there isnt much production so far out of this group. Hope those FA are some go getters cause this current list has like 10 catches between them...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Russellmania09 Chris Russell
Just got an update on veteran WR/KR Andre Davis visit with the #Redskins on Wed "Andre had a great & VERY productive visit" A deal likely.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

JJones at #10, sure, Green, however, what did he run for a 40?? wasn't it in the 4.5's??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Mmmm... I tend to believe the curse of round 2 QBs, so I would go with D line in the 2nd if possible.

Anyway, bottom line is that we should get the guy who will have the most impact on our team.

Occasionally you have a position of need, and given 4 or 5 options of equal value, fill the need. But if you have 1 guy who is just going to come in and be a game changer, you go there, too.

Anyone would be hard pressed to argue that a big, athletic WR wouldn't fill a need AND improve the play of the QB and line.

I mean, you look at how GB won the SB, and it was with quick passes to guys with favorable physical and athletic matchups. Rogers no doubt had a career day with his accuracy, but if he had to wait for Moss and Armstrong to out run someone, he would have gotten kilt like McNabb was all season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Ok, maybe not undersized, but I think he needs to hit the weights, maybe he's not strong enough.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I'll let you tell him that next time you see him. He's been a pro football player for 5-6 years, I think he's probably hitting the weights plenty.

Are really trying to tell me that you believe a guy who used to play DE and was moved to LB is not strong enough to play LB?

Huh? The beat goes on...dumb original statement followed up by an even dumber attempt at clarifying it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I would actually take Julio Jones over AJ green.
Jones is bigger and faster and has displayed the ability to play through injuries.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Skins need a RB more than they need a WR.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Mmmm... I tend to believe the curse of round 2 QBs, so I would go with D line in the 2nd if possible.

Anyway, bottom line is that we should get the guy who will have the most impact on our team.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 10:48 AM

The trenches, both sides of the line. The least sexy positions available. Frankly, they should do their draft chart off the weigh-ins at the Combine. The swimsuit competition. Ugliest first.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

dc,

Torian/Keiland Williams is a heck of a lot better, than, AArmstrong/??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'll let you tell him that next time you see him. He's been a pro football player for 5-6 years, I think he's probably hitting the weights plenty.

Are really trying to tell me that you believe a guy who used to play DE and was moved to LB is not strong enough to play LB?

Huh? The beat goes on...dumb original statement followed up by an even dumber attempt at clarifying it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Just because he's been playing football for, and this'll be his 7th year, doesn't mean he still doesn't need to hit the weights. Not everyone is a gym rat like Orakpo.

If you didn't notice him looking like a flounder out of water at OLB last year, then you need to get off here and study the tape better. Do you even know what a football is? Maybe you are on the wrong blog, I bet you meant to hit the soccer blog!

You really don't understand the fact that some people do better rushing the passer with their hand in the ground than standing up? Sorry, didn't know what I was getting into when I started this conversation, didn't know it was over your head!

Talk about a dumb original statement followed by a DUMBER clarification! Nice try at deflecting your dumbness by trying to call out mine.

Thank you, come again.......

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Kamala, Hilbilly Jim and the One Man Gang would make a beast D-Line.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2011 9:54 AM

Haystacks Calhoun at NT?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Torian/Keiland Williams is a heck of a lot better, than, AArmstrong/??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 10:56 AM

They should re-sign Moss. They were 30th on the ground. They don't have a QB, so they need a running game to remain competitive and sell seats (assuming there is a season). They need six quality receivers and, with Moss, they have two. Torain has flaky hamstrings and should not be relied on for 16 games. Williams is a third down back (who hears footsteps in the flat on screens).

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I know you are but what am I?!?!?!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

JJones at #10, sure, Green, however, what did he run for a 40?? wasn't it in the 4.5's??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This is why the combine is dangerous. Go watch some tape on Green and you'll see why he's ranked ahead of Julio. He gets off the line better and faster than anyone. He beats press coverage because he pretty much just slaps CBs down. He has great hands and knows how to outposition defenders when battling for the ball. Julio can be shutdown by good man coverage. Julio can also show inconsistency. There's no way I'd take Julio over Aj.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, come again.......

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM

That's what she said.

Hey monk...you better turn up the schtick today for us to have another shot at mrsmoe before week's end. You are in over your head with all this football talk.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys, I did a Redskins mock. Tell me what you think: http://www.roccoskins.com/

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:05 AM

Which is why there are only two first round WRs available. Cleveland has a desperate need and so does St. Louis. Hopefully, Cleveland does take one ... so that St. Louis will see the wisdom of trading up to the #10 slot.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I would actually take Julio Jones over AJ green.
Jones is bigger and faster and has displayed the ability to play through injuries.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't actually...Jones has shown an inability to get off the line of scrimmage against press coverage and hasn't done well against top corners like Peterson either

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The trenches, both sides of the line. The least sexy positions available. Frankly, they should do their draft chart off the weigh-ins at the Combine. The swimsuit competition. Ugliest first.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:55 AM

Co-sign. Skins fans have been treated to both extremes.

First, we saw Gibbs build a fortress in the trenches, and win multiple SBs with various skill players.

Then, we saw Spurrier treat his QBs like human pinatas using limited protection. Many skill players saw whatever potential they had die as they were mauled before plays could develop.

Right now, this team looks closer to Spurrier's than Gibbs'. Let's rebuild those trenches!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I know you are but what am I?!?!?!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse


Ah, good response!!! You are better than the average poster on here that can't take some ball busting and immediately take my schtick personally.

You have passed the test, Grasshoppa!

I shall name you WaitingGuilty1.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 11:09 AM

Bummer that the Skins don't get ANY linemen, but I liked the video link with ArtMonkToTheSticks doing Week One ... and getting punched in the face by Cooley who tells hime to chill out.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

hasn't done well against top corners like Peterson either

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 11:10 AM

Who has done well against top corners like Peterson? That's who we need for our team.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

SAVE THE TRENCHES!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This is why the combine is dangerous. Go watch some tape on Green and you'll see why he's ranked ahead of Julio. He gets off the line better and faster than anyone. He beats press coverage because he pretty much just slaps CBs down. He has great hands and knows how to outposition defenders when battling for the ball. Julio can be shutdown by good man coverage. Julio can also show inconsistency. There's no way I'd take Julio over Aj.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:05 AM |

Actually, I think Julio is more pro ready. When you look at Julio's tape, he actually comes off the line and runs routes better than AJ. As we all know with Devin and Malcolm, thats very important for incoming Wr's.

Julio played in a pro style offense, he has experience playing against press man coverage, which AJ does not.

Julio played against Patrick Peterson a couple times, and it's probably one of the better matchups you will ever see between two pro prospects. Peterson jammed Julio at the line all day, basically. Julio had his bright spots, Peterson had his.

Another thing with Julio is, he's not a selfish player. He is one of the best blocking Wr's I have seen.

The biggest problem with Julio's tape is, you see him drop a few balls every now and then.

I think Julio's upside is bigger than AJ. Both will be great players, but its the little things that Julio does better, that will make his ceiling even higher.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Which is why there are only two first round WRs available. Cleveland has a desperate need and so does St. Louis. Hopefully, Cleveland does take one ... so that St. Louis will see the wisdom of trading up to the #10 slot.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see them jumping up unless we do actually take the other receiver. I doubt they're going to try to jump Houston, Minnesota, or Detroit. We'd probably have to pick him then trade or they will stay put.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, come again.......

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:01 AM

That's what she said.

Hey monk...you better turn up the schtick today for us to have another shot at mrsmoe before week's end. You are in over your head with all this football talk.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Not over my head, maybe over my sock's head though.

Yeah, I want me some Mrs. Moe, better bring out the knock-knock jokes and Haikus today!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

...who is in better shape roster-wise than the Skins are and be willing to trade down ...

Today's Pop Quiz:

Select the draft strategy that actually happens:

a. trading down

b. stocking up on future 2nd/3rd round picks

I say 'b'.

'Trading down' hardly ever happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Who has done well against top corners like Peterson? That's who we need for our team.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

100% agree with you there, but most likely he won't get past denver at 2

prince may still be available at 10, but I still think the bigger need and better choice would be a DE or OLB opposite Rak

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Today's Pop Quiz:

Select the draft strategy that actually happens:

a. trading down

b. stocking up on future 2nd/3rd round picks


I say 'b'.

'Trading down' hardly ever happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that the chicken before the egg discussion?

How do you get more 2nd/3rd round picks? By trading down.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The trenches, both sides of the line. The least sexy positions available. Frankly, they should do their draft chart off the weigh-ins at the Combine. The swimsuit competition. Ugliest first.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse
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I would argue that approach is no better or worse than Vinny's 'best available' mantra.

It's a 53 man game. Pick the guy who is going to make that 53 man roster better than the alternatives.

Now, I agree that Beefcake is a need, but specifically, we have a need at NT and C, and the value at NT or C simply isn't there at #10.

Now if we opt to trade down so someone can get Gabbert or Jones, have at it. But at 10, Jones is looking like he hits all the checkmarks in my book.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

'Trading down' hardly ever happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:20 AM

Trading down is not a strategy but a windfall. However, first round trades happen a lot. I think there were 10 first round trades last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft#cite_note-13

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that the chicken before the egg discussion?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:25 AM

What's up for debate? It's the chicken.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

How do you get more 2nd/3rd round picks? By trading down.

I'd give up next year's #1 to acquire more picks this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

hasn't done well against top corners like Peterson either

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

He had ten catches and a TD this year against Patcik Peterson.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

How do you get more 2nd/3rd round picks? By trading down.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I prefer getting those picks by fleecing dumb franchises. See, all you have to do is trade them old aging vets that don't fit their system for draft picks. It's great. It's what our front office does only the exact opposite.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

AJ Green hasnt even had ten catches in a game yet.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I would argue that approach is no better or worse than Vinny's 'best available' mantra.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 11:28 AM

The problem with invoking Vinny's mantra is that there's no evidence Vinny actually picked the best players available.

Whether he went WR (Thomas, Kelly), TE (Davis) or OL (Rinehart), too many of his picks just didn't see the field.

No strategy is successful if your draft picks can't even stay on the roster.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Trading down is not a strategy but a windfall. However, first round trades happen a lot. I think there were 10 first round trades last year."

True. Noticed that the highest moved was the #11 pick. It's not that teams don't want to unload top ten selections -- it's hard to find a buyer. Maybe the new CBA will correct that.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I shall name you WaitingGuilty1.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Does this mean I have to create a new screen name and then deny that I'm the same guy using 2 IDs to post?

I'm not that bright and I think that this may confuse me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

moe, agreed on next years #1, if we can swap that for the pats #17, straight up, I'd do it in a ny minute....lets say they came away with JJones at #10, and JJ Watt at #17, thats a great day for this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

10 mother f-ing catches and a TOUCHDOWN on PP. Somebody owes Julio Jones an apology...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

stu27

Somebody owes Julio Jones an apology...


No disrespect to Jones, but I think Green will be a L Fitzgerald type receiver.

That kid is sick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"I would argue that approach is no better or worse than Vinny's 'best available' mantra.
Posted by: mattsoundworld"

You'd be mistaken. Foolish to draft specifically for need except in two situations:

1) your pick is high enough that you're largely assured of getting one of the very best available, anyway, or

2) your roster is already so strong that your needs really aren't that great.

The thing that should worry NFL scouts is how many teams this year need a QB -- something like 7 or 8 of the top dozen. That leads to reaching. GMs start telling themselves that this is their chance to grab a QB that can play for the next 10 years, and pretty soon you get somebody like Cam Newton or Vince Young or Alex Smith going way high...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The problem with invoking Vinny's mantra is that there's no evidence Vinny actually picked the best players available.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse
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But there is evidence that he didn't pick according to chance of improving the roster. As in drafting 26 tight ends, fullbacks, and wide receivers simply because they are good athletes.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

'Trading down' hardly ever happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:20 AM

Its so simple, even a Vinny could do it! The year of the three pass catchers in the second round involved two trades down.

Also, re: trading next year's first pick ... I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today ... seems like a Wimpy strategy.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see loax given a shot at ILB. The spot next to London seems to involve shedding blocks and hitting ball carriers head on. It seems very well suited for someone that used to be a defensive lineman and special teams standout. It just makes sense a lot of sense to try him there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 9:50 AM
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Alexander looked pretty good at the beginning of the season last year but he wore down. If you look back over his career, I don't think he had ever been a full time starter for a complete season prior to last year. Clearly, he wasn't used to it. I would like to see a guy his size on the inside, but his pass coverage ability is not anywhere near as good as his ability to play near the LOS. If the Redskins don't go with a high round OLB and can't find a solid guy in free agency, I think I would promote a rotation of Lorenzo and Rob Jackson on the outside and let the other linebackers fight for the interior spot. There's a lot of hope built into that scenario and, as has been demonstrated many times by the Redskins front office, hope is not a plan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

re: trading next year's first pick ... I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today ... seems like a Wimpy strategy.

I dunno.

This draft is deep with defenders.

Maybe additional picks in the 1st three rounds give you an added shot at adding some this year and a wr/quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I shall name you WaitingGuilty1.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Does this mean I have to create a new screen name and then deny that I'm the same guy using 2 IDs to post?

I'm not that bright and I think that this may confuse me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, confuses us, I mean me, too! But that's the fun of being in the SPG, you mostly confuse the others!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I just dont like when people toss out red herrings, false ones at that to prove a point. Watch the games or dont but at least back up your generalizations with fact. Dont lie about things. Thats all.

No disrespect to AJ green but Julio Jones looks like the next Andre Johnson.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

not to mention that Jones did the entire combine with a broken foot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The problem with invoking Vinny's mantra is that there's no evidence Vinny actually picked the best players available.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point. Using VC's best possible player strategy, but NEVER ACTUALLY ID'ing and drafting the BAP makes for doubly disastrous results.

Not only are you not drafting a need, but you are drafting inferior players at positions you did not need in the first place.

Wow. The post mortem on the Vincenzo era is coming into crystal clear focus and it's getting uglier and uglier all the time.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You'd be mistaken. Foolish to draft specifically for need except in two situations...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse
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Ok, apparently you didn't read it the first time, so here we go again:

I said, to quote myself, "Pick the guy who is going to make that 53 man roster better than the alternatives".

Understand I'm not talking about a simple draft philosophy, I'm talking about having to seriously evaluate your team and that players potential to impact it. Silly concept, but the Pat's, Steelers, & Colts seem to have it down.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

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--openly wondering if RI is a dating website seeing how daddy is always logged on there

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm concerned to hear the sentiment about trading next year's #1 pick....

We are finally in a position where next year we have a pick in every round PLUS a 4th for Campbell. And maybe some McNabb/Albert compensation. So we'd have more ammo next year than any time in the last decade.

And you guys want to trade our #1?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

We need to stay alive in the Luck sweepstakes...and if you don't buy that, then realize that by draft values you always lose when you give up next year's spot. The chart says a 2 this year is worth a 1 next year. It's always a full round haircut when you want immediate gratification.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Its so simple, even a Vinny could do it! The year of the three pass catchers in the second round involved two trades down.

Also, re: trading next year's first pick ... I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today ... seems like a Wimpy strategy.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

You remember the 2002 Draft? I had to sit around all damn day, watching us trade down at least 2 or 3 times, just to get Patrick Ramsey and some losers that aren't on the team anymore!!!

Just because we trade down doesn't mean we'll hit on every pick.

Sometimes I would rather have quality than quantity!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing people saying we should release Haynesworth. We should but if our front office is sensible he wont be released for some time.

Firstly, releasing him now is exactly what Albert wants, and I am not inclined to do that.

Second, whilst he has no trade value, by holding on to his rights we may be able to control where he goes, even if it is an exchange for a player that we immeadiately cut. There is some precedent to this in the Dennis Morris trade, albeit for different reasons.

We don't want a motivated Haynesworth suiting up for an NFC East rival.

Third, he may bring some press attention but he wont have any influence on the team dynamic until training camp, because he wont be around the facility. By that time he may not even turn up for training camp, so his influence on the rest of the team should be minimal.

If the players can't handle press questions then they really aren't going to be able to cope with anything. Just a simple "no comment" will do.

Fourth, the minimal chance we have of trading Albert will only increase with time. No one will want him now, during the draft or free agency. The only time he might gain value is near the start of the season and someone loses a starting DT.

So we should keep him. Either he behaves and rehabilitates his trade value, or the coaches will just let him isolate himself from the team. Haynesworth isn't a T.O. style disprupter, he is more of your sulk in the corner types. I say we keep him until the start of the season and then cut him when he have to go down to 53-players (or whatever number is permitted under and extended 17/18 game season).

Five, as far a I am aware he wont be paid until the regular season starts. We paid him that huge bonus last year, so we might as well get our money's worth by holding his rights until all the big free agency money has dried up.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 3, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I just dont like when people toss out red herrings, false ones at that to prove a point. Watch the games or dont but at least back up your generalizations with fact. Dont lie about things. Thats all.

No disrespect to AJ green but Julio Jones looks like the next Andre Johnson.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

it's not about lying stu...jones has shown issues against getting off the line with press coverage

and i don't remember the exact details of the game now, but was he lined against peterson for all of his 10 catches?

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 11:17 AM |

I gave the Skins one O linemen. Its a bad draft for that.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter where he was lined up. When Julio Jones and ALA played LSU and Patrick Peterson Jones had a bunch of catches and a TD. If they didn't have PP lined up on him at all times that aint his fault, he isnt going to go lloking for PP to make plays over him.

You said he did bad against Patrick Peterson, i dont see how he did poorly against him with that line. AJ green didnt play LSU this year so there is no comparison there. What I can go from is the amount of cathces that J Jones gets compared to Green, Jones gets a lot more as he is more of a workhorse.

Both are great players so dont let mo of Jones seem like im dissing Green.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

To end the debate on who is better. I think Julio is a better fit for our offense. He's a Andre Johnson type Wr. I would compare him to B. Marsh, but I think he's better than that.

Bottom line is, Shanny likes big, physical, fast, strong, Wr's. While AJ is big, he's not as fast, physical, or strong as Julio.

Plus Julio will help out in the blocking game. Seems like Torain likes those outside runs to the right, Julio will help blocking down field. Something, AJ won't be able to do.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The problem with invoking Vinny's mantra is that there's no evidence Vinny actually picked the best players available.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Vinny's Mantra = Vinny blindfolding himself, turning around, and throwing a dart backwards at a board full of player's names written in crayon that he copied off of Mike Mayok's Mock Draft.

Vinny - "Here I go!"

Wiff

Snyder - "Hey, watch it! If I was any taller I would have taken that right in the forehead! It landed on Fred Davis, don't we already have a Pro Bowl TE?"

Vinny - "Sure, but the new coach I just hired is an offensive genius, he'll figure out how to use them both on the field at the same time!"

Snyder - "Ok, I trust you. Better get the dart board set up for the next pick. Um, Vinny, that's not a dart....."

Vinny - "That's not what you said in your office last week!"

Snyder - "Why do you still have the blind fold on?"

Vinny - "I have a blind fold on?????"

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter where he was lined up. When Julio Jones and ALA played LSU and Patrick Peterson Jones had a bunch of catches and a TD. If they didn't have PP lined up on him at all times that aint his fault, he isnt going to go lloking for PP to make plays over him.

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of course it matters, if 7 of his 10 catches came against a player who won't make it to the pros, it means peterson did a pretty good job against jones then

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

BYU Honor Code: A player violates school rules — having premarital sex

Somehow I get the idea that Antonio Cromartie would not have fit in at BYOC (Bring Your Own Condom). I mean if there is a rule against premarital sex then there must also be a rule against premarital kids with unremembered names.

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean I have to create a new screen name and then deny that I'm the same guy using 2 IDs to post?

I'm not that bright and I think that this may confuse me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 11:40 AM

Come on, how hard can it be? Don't you notice how artfully that guy who's working Monk811 and PlayAction moves between the two screen names? He's even starting to develop two identities for his sock puppets -- internet tough guy and ... I don't know ... what would you call the other one? internet nebish?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

what would you call the other one? internet nebish?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Lol, he called you an internet nebish Play!

Do you get a wireless connection in your invisible jet???

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Just read that the Texans put a first round tender on Leinart and a second round tender on Jacoby Jones. Unless the tenders are nullified in a new CBA, that pretty much says "hands off" for the Redskins. Dagnabbit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Lol, he called you an internet nebish Play!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:33 PM

I know, that would have hurt my feelings if I wasn't a sock.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

This has a little breakdown on J Jones and the video between him and PP this year. Looks like they got some over on each other. Which is better then to be expected. Most people just get straight shut down by PP.

Ive been harping for months about PP's ability. So there is no shame in getting bested by him. The article did mention his struggles against Joe Haden(fla) who is also a bump and run corner, of very high calibur. So im not gonna argue that he dosent have problems in that area.
However i do think that teaching a player with his physical tools how to beat bump in run coverage wouldnt be to hard, he has the physical tools and the speed. Be harder to teach someone how to run like he does.

http://draftbreakdown.com/prospect-video-julio-jones-vs-lsu


Now if Jones had been going against my main man Robert Sands i think the outcome would have been different. Jones might have had to take a year off, same goes for Green.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

You and all the other guys that harp on us not trading Carter last year do not understand the workings of the NFL.

I can almost guarantee you that Allen tried to trade him last year. But there were a set of circumstances that made that scenario improbable if not entirely impossible.

In all likelihood he could have been moved but he would have had to redo his contract.

He had a guaranteed $5 mil payday by sticking in DC he had ZERO reason to approve a trade that probably would have required him to take a 50% or more pay cut. Especially knowing he could bank the money and get his freedom in one year.

Carter was working on a Snyder/Cerrato deal- the kind that they were handing out like candy at the height of their power in the FO. These guys were rolling over contracts, doing reworked deals and guaranteeing money left and right to stay under the cap.

How else do you think a 29 YO RB (Portis) gets a guaranteed 7.5 mil in 2010...at the end of his prime? That's unheard of.

So add in ACs age and likelihood that his production was about to decline and you'd have 31 other teams looking at it and saying: "Yeah, we are not coming in and taking over that contract..." Any team that wanted him was probably looking at him being released within a year anyway due to the bad contract.

We probably had ZERO options other than to try and keep him around for one year. He's a good locker room vet and the staff probably hoped to get some gains there.

Just let it go...Shanahan did not get to where he is by purposely keeping overpriced players who don't fit his schemes. It takes time to clean up train wrecks and Vinny left a lot of blood on the tracks.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 9:47 AM

You can't "almost guarantee" anything.

If he did move, a contract redo would be done. Happens all the time.

Why would you assume a pay cut for a guy who just had a massive season. In terms of tackles and sacks, only 1 guy in the entire NFL had more of both than Carter, and the f'in Steelers franchise tagged that guy for something north of $10million/season.

$5million for a starting DE isn't an obstacle if you redo a contract. There are a ton of starting DE's making a lot more than that. $15-20mil for 4-5 years would have been very reasonable contract for him. Plus, he knew, from experience, that he's a DE, not an LB. He knew spending 2010 in DC would hurt his career. Staying cost him $$ -- his next deal is going to be much smaller because of 2010.

Carter wasn't that old. DE's often go to 35 and Carter keeps in great shape, the sort of person you want to have on your team. He rarely needs to take a play off and can play LDE and RDE.

Look at what 3rd round DL picks did from 4-6 years ago, Carter's forward projection exceeds almost all of them. Odds are about 80% that you get a better player in Carter than with a 3rd round DL pick.

Nice try Waiting, but Carter had real value, Skins mgmt didn't take advantage of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

BYU Honor Code: A player violates school rules — having premarital sex

Somehow I get the idea that Antonio Cromartie would not have fit in at BYOC (Bring Your Own Condom). I mean if there is a rule against premarital sex then there must also be a rule against premarital kids with unremembered names.

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 12:28 PM |

I don't think the kid had a chance. I hear the chick was older and the school's mascot is a 'cougar' after all.

Didn't Michael Jackson go to BrighamYoung?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Lol, he called you an internet nebish Play!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:33 PM

I know, that would have hurt my feelings if I wasn't a sock.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I think he was complimenting us too, maybe he's drunk or something, that's why he's being nice to us, I mean me!

BTW, your right eye is starting to come loose, better sew that button on tighter.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Lol, he called you an internet nebish Play!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:33 PM

I know, that would have hurt my feelings if I wasn't a sock.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:38 PM
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If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

BTW, your right eye is starting to come loose, better sew that button on tighter.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:41 PM

OMG, thanks...how embarrassing!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Ok, apparently you didn't read it the first time, so here we go again:I said, to quote myself, "Pick the guy who is going to make that 53 man roster better than the alternatives".Understand I'm not talking about a simple draft philosophy, I'm talking about having to seriously evaluate your team and that players potential to impact it. Silly concept, but the Pat's, Steelers, & Colts seem to have it down.Posted by: mattsoundworld"

Outside of the crappy sentence construction (pick the guy who is going to make the 53 man roster better than the alternatives'), there are several key flaws in your argument. First, it's pretty hard to only pick players that are guaranteed to make your roster -- and the deeper the roster, the more difficult that is to accomplish. You don't want to be overcautious with lower round picks because you're obsessed with hitting on a high percent of your draft picks. If you're not willing to take a prudent gamble, you're probably not going to find many late-round gems.

You also don't want to blow your first and second picks, because those really can hurt you. The place to take special care is in round one. If you've got a couple top picks, like Denver last year, you might take a flyer on a Tebow or a Cam Newton. Otherwise the risk/reward is off.

Citing the Pats, Steelers, etc., is typical fan cherry-picking. Besides, both have had some big misses in the draft.

Let's go to Vinny for a minute. He made the mistake of loading up his high picks on receivers that didn't pan out. If he'd picked DeSean Jackson instead, he might still be here. But a whole bunch of teams passed on Jackson, including Philly, which later picked him.

Drafting is gambling. You draft with the odds or against them. Sometimes it works out either way.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Basically, Peterson got burnt on a bunch of slant routes becaue he was playing 10 yards off of Julio. He wasn't playing press man. That's why it was 10 catches but only 89 yards.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

of course it matters, if 7 of his 10 catches came against a player who won't make it to the pros, it means peterson did a pretty good job against jones then

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse
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So if it's impossible to know when Peterson was actually covering him, then it would also be impossible to make any meaningful statement about their match-up, right?

It's funny you say that, because this one fool said on here earlier that Julio has struggled against top competition, but I guess thats just another amateur shooting his mouth off.

Funny thing is, though, that Peterson is projected to go #3, while Julio #10, so if they were to match-up, one would expect Peterson to hold his own - he's just that kind of talent.

But who needs logic and facts? Aw screw it, lets draft that big clown of a OG who ran the 40 in like 4.8!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the kid had a chance. I hear the chick was older and the school's mascot is a 'cougar' after all.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Eww, he knocked up a mascot? That's just wrong!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, when Green played FLa last year he had 3 catches for 50 yards. I would assume Joe Haden was covering him to but that would be the same assumption i hlep for J Jones vs LSU and PP this year. I cant say for sure wether Haden was covering Green the whole game.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm concerned to hear the sentiment about trading next year's #1 pick....

We are finally in a position where next year we have a pick in every round PLUS a 4th for Campbell. And maybe some McNabb/Albert compensation. So we'd have more ammo next year than any time in the last decade.

And you guys want to trade our #1?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

We need to stay alive in the Luck sweepstakes...and if you don't buy that, then realize that by draft values you always lose when you give up next year's spot. The chart says a 2 this year is worth a 1 next year. It's always a full round haircut when you want immediate gratification.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 12:08 PM

Excellent observation. Given the current state of the franchise, next year's #1 will most likely be a VERY high pick. And we'll pick high in every round after that, too.

This is the year to suck (pun intended) it up, keep our picks, and make some hay in next year's draft.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

good analysis stu...im sure he can be taught that as well in the pros with some good coaching on how to use his hands at the initial point of contact

but i definitely agree with you on Robert Sands...the guy is a monster in the defensive backfield...i'd love to see him roaming our secondary and lighting up other receivers

hopefully he falls to us in the fifth round somehow

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice try Waiting, but Carter had real value, Skins mgmt didn't take advantage of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

He had value in your fantasy league, not the real NFL. There is no way we could have traded him or we would have.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The Having It Both Ways Dept:

1. All them shtoobs with high football IQs (like Tray Wingo, Mark Slureth and Adam Shifter of ESPN) insist that reviewing a draft prospect's tapes is the most important evaluation tool. Hence RB Mark Ingot is going to be selected in the 1st round because even though he ran a poor 40 at the Combine his tapes show that he is superlative at hole mechanics.

2. QB Cam Newton's tapes show how time and again during the 2010 season he rallied his team from being down to winning with superaltive throwing and running. And this was against SEC titans, not ACC pantywaists like MD and VA.

3. Cam Newton had accuracy probs at the Combine in the throwing part of the QB tests.

4. When the scouts and talent evaluators saw how Newton was having accuracy probs they all shouted in unison and on cue: "Fraud! Impostor!".

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM

And who would you be RSH? Honey Bunny? I wanna be Lance.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Outside of the crappy sentence construction...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse
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FWIW, I stopped reading your post right there.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, how come I'm the gimp?

Then who are you, Christopher Walken because he shoved the watch up his ass?

SAVE THE ASS WATCHES!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM

And who would you be RSH? Honey Bunny? I wanna be Lance.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:50 PM |

I would be "The Wolf".

I'm used to coming here, assessing the situation and determining a solution that involves enjoying a cup of gourmet coffee while having a couple fools clean up the mess...or else we take a trip to "Monster Joe's".

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM

And who would you be RSH? Honey Bunny? I wanna be Lance.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 12:50 PM
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Call me Vincent Vega. You can be Lance if you want to be, but Monk is definitely the Gimp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

In their defense, the tape shows them playing football and not running in shorts.

Plus, you can clock a guy in the 40, but game speed is much different than 40 speed.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Drafting is gambling. You draft with the odds or against them. Sometimes it works out either way.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 12:44 PM |

What a profound thought. Although the third sentence is a little wobbly. Dude - it always works out either way. How could it not?

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

LOL...this joint is full of nutcases.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice try Waiting, but Carter had real value, Skins mgmt didn't take advantage of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

He had value in your fantasy league, not the real NFL. There is no way we could have traded him or we would have.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Because DEs capable of producing 11 sacks and 60 tackles just grow on trees. Care to tell me how many times the Skins have had one of them prior to Carter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If this blog was called "Pulp Fiction", Monk would be Playaction's "Gimp".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, how come I'm the gimp?

Then who are you, Christopher Walken because he shoved the watch up his ass?

SAVE THE ASS WATCHES!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 12:53 PM
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Christopher Walken is cool even if he did shove a watch up his ass in that movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Call me Vincent Vega. You can be Lance if you want to be, but Monk is definitely the Gimp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, someone sure is touchy about gimps!

They kept you locked up too long didn't they?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

but Monk is definitely the Gimp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:58 PM

Who's the poor bastid that's Marsellus "ball gag" Wallace? Ewwwwwwwww

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 3, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Care to tell me how many times the Skins have had one of them prior to Carter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:02 PM

Last that come to mind are Manley/Mann.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Basically, Peterson got burnt on a bunch of slant routes becaue he was playing 10 yards off of Julio. He wasn't playing press man. That's why it was 10 catches but only 89 yards.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 12:45 PM |

There are few guys in the NFL that play press man anyway...only two of them are really good at it, and that's Revis and Nnamdi. I assume the gameplan was for PP to keep Julio in front of him. Thats what people are going to do in the NFL when they find out he can beat you deep.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

That's it? Duke is 27-3 and the big question is whether they're going to be a #1 or a #2 seed.

Maryland? They're seventh in the ACC and they were looking for that cliche "signature win" to have a shot at an NCAA bid. Now, they're just looking for a win, any win.

And what school's rallying cry is "F Maryland"? No one even cares.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 6:17 AM | Report abuse


That's big talk from a Georgia Tech guy.

3-11 in the ACC; 11-17 overall.

Or...wait a minute...are you a Tech guy today or not?

It's hard to keep track with all the turncoating and selling out.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Christopher Walken is cool even if he did shove a watch up his ass in that movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:04 PM |

Was it a Timex? Did it take a dicking and keep on ticking?

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness monk, that watch was rather important to him...wasn't like some old toaster he was fond of.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

In their defense, the tape shows them playing football and not running in shorts.

Plus, you can clock a guy in the 40, but game speed is much different than 40 speed.

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:01 PM |

What a profound statement.

You know, they don't perform repetitive bench presses, leap to slap at color-coded Popsicle sticks or sprint between orange cones on the football field either.

No single measurable is an accurate predictor as to an athlete's prospective transition to the NFL level. These are all "snapshots" that when put together, give a decent big picture as to an athlete's NFL potential relative to others who take the same tests.

What do you suggest? Interviews only? If that's the case, Fred Smoot would have never made it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

There's no way I'd take Julio over Aj.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 11:05 AM |


How about passing on both and getting into the Justin Blackmon sweepstakes next year?

He went up against Nebraska - featuring top CB prospect Prince Akunamatato - and went for 100+ and a TD.

Which is bascially what he always does.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The entire league knew he was available last year because he did not fit a 3-4...go read the articles from last summer when AC was no commenting all the time and everyone was speculating on a trade. THERE WERE NO OFFERS. He banked $7mil in the last 12 months. The only place he could have done that was in DC.

No chance he would have redone his deal for a penny less....all he had to do was put in one year with Shanny and he'd be a FA and keep the $$$.

There was no trade market for him and his terrible contract. Teams knew he'd be free this year so nobody was going to rent him for one year at the cost of a pick! All I would grant you is that MAYBE some team would have done a round swap like trade 5th rounders with us a la how we got Carriker. No real value, so we kept him for a year.

Unbelievable you follow the league as closely as you do but don't understand this.

Actually, since you say with a straight face that you have a better vision for the team than Shanahan, I do understand....you are delusional!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness monk, that watch was rather important to him...wasn't like some old toaster he was fond of.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm not gay, but I think I'd pay to see someone try to stick a 'lucky' toaster up their ass.

He'd better leave the cord hanging out so he could pull it out, almost like a tampon string!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Christopher Walken is cool even if he did shove a watch up his ass in that movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:04 PM |

Was it a Timex? Did it take a dicking and keep on ticking?

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:11 PM
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No, but he was as regular as a ticking clock.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

BRING OUT THE MONK!!!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I wanna be Harvey Keitel. I'll settle for Quentin. At least he was getting some.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I wanna be Harvey Keitel. I'll settle for Quentin. At least he was getting some.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:22 PM

Sorry Dik, I think PF already called Keitel.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Care to tell me how many times the Skins have had one of them prior to Carter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:02 PM

Last that come to mind are Manley/Mann.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:07 PM

So its been 20 or so years since we had a player who could play at that level. Maybe guys who can put up Carter's stats don't grow on trees. fwiw, I couldn't find tackles for Manley in most of his years, but the couple times I did, he wasn't close to 60 tackles. Mann duplicated Carter's number 2x in his career. No Skins DE has come close to Carter's numbers since.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm concerned to hear the sentiment about trading next year's #1 pick...We are finally in a position where next year we have a pick in every round PLUS a 4th for Campbell.

So you're saying hoping to be bad this year to acquire more high picks is better than adding picks this year to improve?

We could trade the 1st rounder and wind up with additional picks in rounds 1, 2, 3 (maybe that's 2 extra players from the top of the draft to go with our 1st and 2nd--4 top players is now a 'bad' idea?).

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, since you say with a straight face that you have a better vision for the team than Shanahan, I do understand....you are delusional!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:17 PM

I have no problem standing by that. I laid out my approach for all to see -- it was better. Thing is, Shanahan didn't have a good year -- I'm sure he knows it. Sad that you don't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I watched every Georgia and Alabama game this year. Both AJ Green and Julio Jones are very good and had some huge games. Both also had games were they disappeared and were no factor at all. However AJ Green far and away has better hands and is capable of making spectacular catches. He makes you say wow way more often than Julio. How that translates to the NFL I'm not sure but combine measureables aside, my money would be on AJ having a greater impact.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course I see we had a bad year.

But I also see that if a lunatic wannabe like you were in charge it would have probably resulted in the league seizing control of the franchise.

I'm a die hard fan too, but I am smart enough to realize, that as fun as it is to ruminate on a blog about our personal views of the team, we have not spent 40 years playing and coaching the game. We don't know the players, we don't go to practice, we are FANS.

The sooner you accept that the more fun you'll have supporting our team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Or...wait a minute...are you a Tech guy today or not?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 1:08 PM

What's your point? You got turned down by both Duke and Georgia Tech?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

However AJ Green far and away has better hands and is capable of making spectacular catches. He makes you say wow way more often than Julio.

AJ Green=Larry Fitzgerald

Julio Jones=Reggie Wayne

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dagnabbit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 12:37 PM

I heart this word. Way underused in my opinion. Yosemite Sam also is one of the most underrated Bugs Bunny foils.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

So you're saying hoping to be bad this year to acquire more high picks is better than adding picks this year to improve?

We could trade the 1st rounder and wind up with additional picks in rounds 1, 2, 3 (maybe that's 2 extra players from the top of the draft to go with our 1st and 2nd--4 top players is now a 'bad' idea?).

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm not hoping to be bad this year, not at all.

The fact is, the NFL does not value picks as you propose. If we trade our #1 in 2011 the best we would likely get is a 2010 2nd rounder. Google NFL Draft Value Chart if you don't believe me.

When you opt for immediate picks you drop a full round in value vs. what you give up the next year. So all I'm saying is if we trade our 2011 #1 all you'd get is a 2010 #2.

Let's keep our picks and build the right way. No value in trading 2011 #1 the way I see it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Christopher Walken is cool even if he did shove a watch up his ass in that movie.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:04 PM |

Walken won an Academy Award for Dear Hunter in one of his first roles.

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I wanna be Harvey Keitel. I'll settle for Quentin.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:22 PM

You can be Mr. Pink.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

All I would grant you is that MAYBE some team would have done a round swap like trade 5th rounders with us a la how we got Carriker. No real value, so we kept him for a year.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:17 PM

Wow!!!! So you think a guy who had over 60 career sacks and 300+ tackles has the same value as a guy who had 3 career sacks and 40 tackles?

How about that :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course I see we had a bad year.

But I also see that if a lunatic wannabe like you were in charge it would have probably resulted in the league seizing control of the franchise.

I'm a die hard fan too, but I am smart enough to realize, that as fun as it is to ruminate on a blog about our personal views of the team, we have not spent 40 years playing and coaching the game. We don't know the players, we don't go to practice, we are FANS.

The sooner you accept that the more fun you'll have supporting our team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:34 PM
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Well said. If it's any consolation, Zeke, I'm not as smart I think I am, either.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

hopefully he falls to us in the fifth round somehow

Posted by: AhsanFamily | March 3, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Im kind of disappointed that the FO has not been able to pull off any moves for some mid- late round picks, rounds 4-7. I get how valuable picks are this time of year.
Im not gonna get into all our players perceived values but you cant tell me that its impossible for us to pick up an extra fouth or fifth rounder without mortgaging our future with some of our current players.
This is a luch pail type player draft there will be plenty of steals to be had in the mid late rounds, espeacially on D.
A record number of underclasssman came out this year so there is an influx of talent at the draft this year.
Come on Shanallahan and companies get us some more picks.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

What do you suggest? Interviews only? If that's the case, Fred Smoot would have never made it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If there were interviews only, then Carlos Rogers would have been hired as Head Janitor!

They should have to do some of these drills in pads, and CB's should be lining up against WR's.

And get rid of the useless Wonderlic!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Walken won an Academy Award for Dear Hunter in one of his first roles.

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM

But he's just like you and me. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. But the difference is, after he puts his pants on, he makes gold records.

Now Gene, I want to hear more cowbell!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

BRING OUT THE MONK!!!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

How many times can I say this? Carter's contract is why we could not trade him. I'd also submit that his sack total was misleading and he is not the dynamic, electric, awesome force you think he is.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

AJ Green=Larry Fitzgerald

Julio Jones=Reggie Wayne

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If Reggie Wayne was 6'4 220 pounds he would without question be the greatest receiver in the NFL right now. Possibly of all times.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

... and he is not the dynamic, electric, awesome force you think he is.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:44 PM

There really is only one truly dynamic, electric, awesome force in the NFL today ... Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If there were interviews only, then Carlos Rogers would have been hired as Head Janitor!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:42 PM

Not for long...at some point they would find all the broken urinal cakes that he dropped.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

BRING OUT THE MONK!!!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey PlayAction, do I get theme music for my intro?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"What a profound thought...Dude - it always works out either way. How could it not?Posted by: TubularBells"

Dude -- sometimes your pick doesn't work out, either way.

Keep up with those ESOL classes -- these things take time.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Stu27

If we are to take a receiver, which guy?

Jones v. Green

I like Green.

Dude takes the ball out of the air.

Dude is dynamic or 'sudden'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If there were interviews only, then Carlos Rogers would have been hired as Head Janitor!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:42 PM

Not for long...at some point they would find all the broken urinal cakes that he dropped.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The way he talks it sounds like he stuffed the pieces between his cheeks and teeth.

Maybe he has a fetish for the flavor!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Walken won an Academy Award for Dear Hunter in one of his first roles.Posted by: TubularBells"

Along with the one for Deer Hunter? He's even better than we thought.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Who's Zed?

Zed's dead, baby.

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 3, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

RSH, Sween -

Pete Puma, FTW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKyhTX9LQEA

dyeeeee - tree ohr fhoour.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

500

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I wanna be Harvey Keitel. I'll settle for Quentin.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:22 PM

You can be Mr. Pink.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM |

Mr. Pink: Why am I Mr. Pink?

Joe: Because you're a f@ggot, alright?

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I could definitely do Mr. Pink, 'cause I have a Salmon Smoking Jacket.

... but I look more like Mr. Blonde.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Stu27

If we are to take a receiver, which guy?

Little downside to either, its splitting hairs. I should agree with will_ga. Anyone who has watched them all knows best. I am a firm believer in first hand observation, not regurgitation of others observations.

I just have a feeling that we have seen the best of Aj Green and that Julio Jones still has room to progress and learn the receiver position further. If that happens then he could become truly elite. I cant refute the Larry Fitzgerald comparison. Green has traps for hands same as larry lar did.
Some pople questioned Andre Johsonson hands coming out of college, despite putting up numbers they said he was a track guy.

If we have to choose btwn one or the other i cant complain.
Im still in the Dline with the first pick camp, or trade down camp. BUT if we got one of these gems ill be smiling either way.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

You know what a Quarter Pounder with cheese is called in France? A Royal with cheese!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

BRING OUT THE MONK!!!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey PlayAction, do I get theme music for my intro?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 1:49 PM

Ask RSH...this is his fantasy...I'm just here for the wonderful assortment of drugs.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

However AJ Green far and away has better hands and is capable of making spectacular catches. He makes you say wow way more often than Julio.

AJ Green=Larry Fitzgerald

Julio Jones=Reggie Wayne

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:35 PM

I don't like the comparison of AJ and Fitz, or Julio and Reggie.

AJ is not as physical as Julio, Period. Those jump balls he won in college, he will not get in the NFL. The man needs to get stronger.

Julio is a much better route runner and will get seperation better than AJ in the NFL.

AJ reminds me of Randy Moss. But take that with a grain of salt, b/c AJ is not as fast as Randy, and not quite as big. Both are very wiry, and run few routes.

To say Julio doesn't make many "WOW" moments is insane. Julio can beat you deep, he has a mad vert. But on top of it all, you can give him short routes,and he's so strong and fast, he'll take it the distance. He is also one of the better blocking Wr's you will ever see.

If anything, Julio is more of a Fitzgerald than AJ. But I compare Julio to Andre Johnson b/c of his size, speed, strength, and hands.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 3, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I could definitely do Mr. Pink, 'cause I have a Salmon Smoking Jacket.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 1:59 PM |

Which you wear when you are smoking trouser trout?

Posted by: TubularBells | March 3, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It's the one that says "BAD MOTHERF_CKER"

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course I see we had a bad year.

But I also see that if a lunatic wannabe like you were in charge it would have probably resulted in the league seizing control of the franchise.

I'm a die hard fan too, but I am smart enough to realize, that as fun as it is to ruminate on a blog about our personal views of the team, we have not spent 40 years playing and coaching the game. We don't know the players, we don't go to practice, we are FANS.

The sooner you accept that the more fun you'll have supporting our team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011

Still trying to come to grips with the lunatic part of not wanting LJ or CP or the trade for McNabb. Not sure what was so wrong about getting rid of players that didn't have a role in the future, notably the 3-4.

I said I wouldn't have gone 3-4, but I get the rationale behind it. As bad as 2010 was, the jury is out on the 3-4 move because its a long term thing. But I said that If you make the 3-4 commitment, get rid of the guys who are a bad fit for the system. Albert and Carter were obvious. Both had value. Take it and move on. Shanny didn't.

I didn't like the McNabb trade because we had bigger problems to deal with on the OL. I expected better from McNabb, but even before this season, the difference between him and Campbell wasn't nearly as big as most people suggested. Campbell was pretty average under miserable circumstances. McNabb faced similar circumstances (actually, slightly better) and he became pretty average.

I wanted to pursue Pouncey because our center play was really bad and the reports said Pouncey would be a top center in this league for a decade. People questioned whether a center is worth a mid first rounder. Not me. Solve a problem for a decade? Sign me up.

With the resources we spent on McNabb, those alone could have gotten close to getting Pouncey. It would have taken something more, but it was manageable.

I'm looking for the delusional -- its just not in there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Stu27

If we are to take a receiver, which guy?

Little downside to either, its splitting hairs. I should agree with will_ga. Anyone who has watched them all knows best. I am a firm believer in first hand observation, not regurgitation of others observations.

I just have a feeling that we have seen the best of Aj Green and that Julio Jones still has room to progress and learn the receiver position further. If that happens then he could become truly elite. I cant refute the Larry Fitzgerald comparison. Green has traps for hands same as larry lar did.
Some pople questioned Andre Johsonson hands coming out of college, despite putting up numbers they said he was a track guy.

If we have to choose btwn one or the other i cant complain.
Im still in the Dline with the first pick camp, or trade down camp. BUT if we got one of these gems ill be smiling either way.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ssshhhh, some of us are trying to talk Pulp Fiction up in here, not football!

And were you just talking to yourself?

Do what PA and I do, and get a sock and another User ID!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If we are to take a receiver, which guy?

We have to remember that in both Denver and Houston, the Shanahan passing offensive system is geared a big-bodied X receiver opening the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Julio Jones is better than AJ Green.

It seems like a deal will not be done today.

We all love the NFL equally, or we wouldn't be blogging about a football team in early March.

WE buy the tickets.
WE buy the jerseys.
WE buy the $8.00 beers.
WE collectively buy the luxuries that owners and players indulge in.

Why don't the fans lockout? What then owners?

This game is for us. You sit in your box with a suit on. We sit in the cold and rain screaming for our team.

You take this away from us?

I'm a student that makes crumbs for money, yet always find money here and there to buy a t-shirt, jersey or beer.

F U OWNERS

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Quentin:

Does it look like I have a sign in front of my house that says "Dead N-word Storage"?

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Once we decide Green vs. Jones up here, can we tell the 9 teams before us to keep their grubby hands off?

Just let it play out. If we have to take Robert Quinn, so be it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I think JReid ate Mike Jones.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Delusional = Thinking you have a better plan for an NFL franchise than Mike Shanahan.

End of discussion.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Or...wait a minute...are you a Tech guy today or not?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 1:08 PM

What's your point? You got turned down by both Duke and Georgia Tech?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha.

Beep-beep trying to pull his old "I-don't-want-to-talk-about-what-a-giant-ACC-turncoat-I-am-so-I'll-turn-the-question-around" routine.

Nice try.

But so long as you come up here and crow about Tech and Duke, you'll forever be caught in the conundrum of explaining with a shred of integrity how you could bounce around your ACC allegiances so whimsically.

What do you do when they play each other? Wait to see who wins and then make a big stink about it to the fans of the losing team?


Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

You ain't got no problem, Jules. I'm on the mother**$%#@. Go back in there, chill them bloggers out and wait for the Wolf who should be coming directly.

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 3, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just your Dad's Tube. And that's just 'cause he pays well.

No one else would touch the rancid festering pipe that spawned your hideousness.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think JReid ate Mike Jones.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Nom nom nom...."sources close to the situation said" nom nom nom..."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Do what PA and I do, and get a sock and another User ID!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok fine ill stay here and talk to myself.

stu27_4_JJ you go GET THE SHOT. I ain't never done it before, either, and I ain't startin' now. Look, you brought her here, and that means that you're gonna give her the shot. The day that I bring an O.D.-in' b!tch to your house, then I give her the shot. Give her the shot.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the fan$ lockout? What then owner$?

F U OWNERS

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you really are hess' puppet, the only thing that is missing is the $$$$$$$$ and:

SAVE THE DISGRUNTLED FANS!!!

Don't worry, fixed it for you!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6178205

Time to bring him in for an interview.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Do what PA and I do, and get a sock and another User ID!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok fine ill stay here and talk to myself.

stu27_4_JJ you go GET THE SHOT. I ain't never done it before, either, and I ain't startin' now. Look, you brought her here, and that means that you're gonna give her the shot. The day that I bring an O.D.-in' b!tch to your house, then I give her the shot. Give her the shot.


Posted by: Stu27 | March 3, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, Bravo!!!!

Way to be a team player!!!

Of course, you conformed to what the rest of us were doing, which makes you a follower, I thought you were better than that!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Lockouts make me poop in my pants.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

How many times can I say this? Carter's contract is why we could not trade him. I'd also submit that his sack total was misleading and he is not the dynamic, electric, awesome force you think he is.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 1:44 PM

Of the 14 DL guys taken in the 3rd round between 2004 and 2006 (long enough to know if they are worth something), how many turned in dynamic forces? I get 2. On average, the rest were roughly Kedric Golston (several weren't even that). I'd give up an 80% chance at getting a Kedric Golston for Carter. Wouldn't you?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Poop is that Jerry Seinfeld looking dude in the bathroom with the .44 Magnum who comes out blazing and whiffs on every shot, only to be shot just like his buddies, Brett and "Flock of Seagulls".

At least he got in one final dump.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Delusional = Thinking you have a better plan for an NFL franchise than Mike Shanahan.

End of discussion.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 2:13 PM

Had a better plan in 2010. Shanny wasn't close.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry dude...I know you mean well but I can't respond to you anymore without laughing hysterically.

I keep picturing a character like Milton from 'Office Space' in a basement somewhere drawing up plays and draft boards while lamenting how the coach won't listen to him.

Whatever you do just don't blow up Redskins Park.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Shanny took my stapler!

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 3, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry dude...I know you mean well but I can't respond to you anymore without laughing hysterically.

I keep picturing a character like Milton from 'Office Space' in a basement somewhere drawing up plays and draft boards while lamenting how the coach won't listen to him.

Whatever you do just don't blow up Redskins Park.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 2:39 PM

Don't need to fear for me. Never worried about criticisms. Just being objective. At the beginning of the year, I put out my thoughts in detail up here, at the end of the year, I review 'em.

As for that basement ... not so much. Gotta a pretty wonderful life.

As much as I'm burgundy and gold to the core, at least I got to live through the glory years. Can't imagine how hard it'd be to be a Skkins fan if you only started with them in the last 20 years.

My other team, the SJ Sharks have been fun. Really enjoy going to hockey games. I'll be there when the puck drops vs the Red Wings tonight. In Antti Niemi I trust.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I know Shanny gets the benefit of the doubt in most quarters for his early success in Denver.

I just can't help wondering if RI would be equally supportive if the moves he made in 2010 were made by guys named Zorn and Vinny... which is entirely conceivable.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does Mike Jones kinda blow at his new gig?

The combine is over, the redskins have released a number of players, more are on the way, the NFL is on the verge of a lock out, pro days are beginning this month, and the draft is next month. Yet we're still on the 'Redskins met with... an oft injured WR' thread.

Really Mr. Jones, that's all you have to present to probably the largest Insider Blog on the net? Cause you've got nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

Hey BTG, what's PFT got to say about this?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 3, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice try Waiting, but Carter had real value, Skins mgmt didn't take advantage of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It's been rumoured for the past two years that his contract includes a no trade clause. I find it hard to believe because I would have thought he would have waived it so that he could play DE in a 4-3, but it could be true.

Also, whilst he produced two 10+ sack seasons for us he also produced a one 6-sack and one 4-sack season as well.

He virtually disappeared in 2008, having a terrible year and only rebounded to looking "pretty decent" when he add Orakpo on the other side and Haynesworth up the middle.

Moreover, he was over 30 and most people thought he would struggle in the 3-4 (as he had with the 49ers). Last year there was a good chance he would be available as a free agent after just one season. So it isn't that hard to believe no one offered a pick for him.

Don't get me wrong. I might have traded for him, because I think low round draft choices are rediculously overated. Even first rounders are little more than 50:50 prospects. Occasionally trading a 4th or lower for a capable veteran seems like pretty good business. It's not the way to build a roster year after year. Then again neither is depending on an extra 4th rounder to replace the contribution of veteran back-up, let alone a starter, you've traded away to get it.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 3, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I know Shanny gets the benefit of the doubt in most quarters for his early success in Denver.

I just can't help wondering if RI would be equally supportive if the moves he made in 2010 were made by guys named Zorn and Vinny... which is entirely conceivable.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 2:49 PM

for my part, Shanny gets the benefit of the doubt because he's earned it. Far more good years than bad ones. He had a bad 2010, I'm comfortable taking the longer view and his history is a positive one. Couldn't say that about Vinny or Zorn. But I get your point -- if Danny had hired Fassell and this is the season we got, yeah, fans would be up in arms. Maybe even WaitingGuilty.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6178205

Robert Gallery wants out of Oakland.

Discuss....

And yes Monk, I have always admitted to being in a sock puppet relationship with hessone.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I feel news coming on ... I feel a press release coming out ...

If the CBA expires, I'm going to leave this joint till there's a new one. [Don't all start shedding a tear at the same time.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Early" success again?

Isn't he like 97-79 post Elway? And he's the 2nd winningest active HC in the league to Belichick?

That's a bit deeper than early success. I know you are a Shanny cynic but I'd say even the most Jaded critic has to admit he deserves 10X the benefit of the doubt that Zornado and Kindergarten cop garner.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does Mike Jones kinda blow at his new gig?

The combine is over, the redskins have released a number of players, more are on the way, the NFL is on the verge of a lock out, pro days are beginning this month, and the draft is next month. Yet we're still on the 'Redskins met with... an oft injured WR' thread.

Really Mr. Jones, that's all you have to present to probably the largest Insider Blog on the net? Cause you've got nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

Hey BTG, what's PFT got to say about this?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 3, 2011 2:54 PM

It's just you. He talked about released players already. Why would we want to discuss them any further? They don't play for this team anymore. You want lockout coverage? Here you go, there may be a lockout...that is all. You want combine coverage? A bunch of players ran around in there undies. You want more? Go to NFL.com...here we discuss Redskins first and when we get bored with that we discuss music, movies, women, and your momma. Mike Jones is head and shoulders above the last 2 schmucks the WaPo pawned off on us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I like Green.

Dude takes the ball out of the air.

Dude is dynamic or 'sudden'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2011 1:52 PM

Sudden is good. I like sudden. 'Medium' ... not so much.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Robert Gallery wants out of Oakland.

Discuss....

And yes Monk, I have always admitted to being in a sock puppet relationship with hessone.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Gallery wants out of Oakland? As far as I'm concerned he can stay there!

Yeah, I can tell you are the nice puppet, whereas hess has a bounce sheet stuck up his ass. At least his farts should have that 'fresh out of the dryer' smell!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

If the CBA expires, I'm going to leave this joint till there's a new one.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:00 PM

Just to clarify sween...a new CBA or a new joint?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does Mike Jones kinda blow at his new gig? ...

Posted by: Devo2 | March 3, 2011 2:54 PM

It's just you. ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:02 PM

Co-sign, but its an understandable sentiment. Skins fans are real 'what have you done for me lately?' and RI hamsters in particular have the restless energy and attention span of, well, hamsters.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 3:01 PM

You are correct on all counts. He is also the highest paid at his position in the NFL.

His record of success prior to his arrival with the Redskins establishes him as one of the best.

The scary thing is, I could have written the preceeding sentences about any number of people over the past decade.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Gallery wants out of Oakland? As far as I'm concerned he can stay there!

Yeah, I can tell you are the nice puppet, whereas hess has a bounce sheet stuck up his ass. At least his farts should have that 'fresh out of the dryer' smell!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

He has his moments

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM

Good point. I'll be taking that with me (but I'll share while I'm here for as long as it lasts ... its always important to be very, very nice to everyone you meet ... just in case they have a new one of those).

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify sween...a new CBA or a new joint?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think CBA stands for Corndogs, Beefjerky, and Applejacks!

Munchies!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

He has his moments

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 3:22 PM

Undeniable ... but it is questionable whether he ever had a shower.

That's the kind of guy I want the Skins to draft with their first pick ... ugly and nasty. It is, after all, football.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong. I might have traded for him, because I think low round draft choices are rediculously overated. Even first rounders are little more than 50:50 prospects. Occasionally trading a 4th or lower for a capable veteran seems like pretty good business. It's not the way to build a roster year after year. Then again neither is depending on an extra 4th rounder to replace the contribution of veteran back-up, let alone a starter, you've traded away to get it.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen

Viewing Carter objectively is actually pretty easy. He did have a huge year in 2009, really an elite season. But I'm OK with looking at the whole picture.

My realistic assessment is this. He's a terrific complimetary player. Love to have guys like him. I wouldn't want to rely on him to create the havoc, but if you have someone who can create problems, Carter and guys like him are going to be very effective.

Is he a top 10 DE? No. Top 20 is pushing it, top 30 is probably fair.

I think he'd have done well for 4-3 teams like Minny (opposite Jared Allen), Chi opposite Peppers, DET, next to Suh. He'd have also done well in NO, I think he and GG get the best from each other.

Would I pay for $3-4million or so for a guy who can do that? Yup.

He offers some unique advantages -- he plays both LDE and RDE. He rarely needs a play off which means you can get more out of a DL rotation. Plus, he's hustling every play -- you won't find him taking a nap in the middle of a play. Really a great motor.

He's a high character guy (and I think it matters more than most people do). He's a team first guy and he's always been a "take very good care of himself" player. He's sort of quiet, but he's as professional about his approach as London Fletcher is. In general, the Skins have had good defenses -- usually without major stars. In the benefit of the doubt category, I'd lean towards a guy who has been a consistent starter for a defense usually ranked in the top 10.

A top 30 DE has plenty of value, so the question becomes, what is he worth? When I looked at 3rd round DL picks that have been around 4+ years -- I know I'd get a lot more out of Carter than 80+% of the guys on that list.

I do agree with you on one major point -- teams tend to overvalue draft picks. If I can get a known quantity instead of risk, I'd prefer the known. The only upside to draft picks is that they are cheap for the first few years. But when you look at our drafts -- and other teams drafts, the number of 3rd and 4th rounders that don't do very much is pretty high.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Undeniable ... but it is questionable whether he ever had a shower.

That's the kind of guy I want the Skins to draft with their first pick ... ugly and nasty. It is, after all, football.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:26 PM

This had me scratching my head for a minute since they're talking about hessone haha...but co-sign.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

CBA stands for Corndogs, Beefjerky, and Applejacks!

Munchies!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:24 PM

Right on the money with the Apple Jacks.

Of the C and B categories, I think my C would have to be a corn-based savory snack, but not the corndog. Maybe Bugles or Funyuns. For the B category, no question that for me that would need to be barbecued meatstuffs, maybe short ribs.

ATTENTION DC RESIDENTS! In less than a month, "Hill Country Barbecue" will be opening a new location near the Verizon Center (between Gallery Place metro and Navy Memorial-Archives).

http://www.hillcountryny.com/menu.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Vike annouce they won't resign Tarvaris Jackson.

Could this be Patrick Ramsey's year?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction, Gallery hasn't bathed since the mid-90s.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Vike annouce they won't resign Tarvaris Jackson.

Could this be Patrick Ramsey's year?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:33 PM

Is he in our future? Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Could this be Patrick Ramsey's year?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Ramsey's shellshocked antics. He hops left then hops right and if nobody's open he throws into the second row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction, Gallery hasn't bathed since the mid-90s.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:37 PM

Well I hope the left guard uses plenty of Right Guard...or I'm thinking they went through lots of left tackles and centers.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If the CBA expires, I'm going to leave this joint till there's a new one.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:00 PM

Just grow a playoff beard like the rest of us are planning -- except the sock puppets who are collecting playoff lint and toe jam.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

All the way to the curb.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Haha...and touche!

Gibbs and many a player....you are right.

And where have the results been?

The toilet.

I read you A4...I just believe Shanahan will turn it around. A big part of that is that Snyder hired Allen and has removed himself from the football ops equation.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Gallery. The upside, he is a good player, smells bad (rumor has it) and plays a position we need help with.

Downside he is about to turn 31 and we're not likely to be playoff competitors until he's 33-34. In the past, there have been some maturity issues with him, but I don't recall hearing much about that in recent years, so maybe he's good on that front.

If he'd come cheap, it'd make sense. I'm guessing he won't come cheap. Save the $$ for younger players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify sween...a new CBA or a new joint?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think CBA stands for Corndogs, Beefjerky, and Applejacks!

Munchies!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:24 PM |

CBA = Chef Boy Ardee

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify sween...a new CBA or a new joint?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think CBA stands for Corndogs, Beefjerky, and Applejacks!

Munchies!

Posted by: monk811 | March 3, 2011 3:24 PM |

CBA = Chef Boy Ardee

Mmmm, spaghetti-o's!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

All the way to the curb.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 3:44 PM

Our QB for next year is looking suspiciously like Rex Grossman and his back up might be John Beck. Aren't we pretty much at the curb already?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Vike annouce they won't resign Tarvaris Jackson.Could this be Patrick Ramsey's year?
Posted by: Alan4"

Many folks in Minnesota think it could be Donovan McNabb's year with the Vikes. They think he could be had for a 7th. Then the club would use a draft choice on a developmental QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Gallery. The upside, he is a good player, smells bad (rumor has it) and plays a position we need help with.

Downside he is about to turn 31 and we're not likely to be playoff competitors until he's 33-34. In the past, there have been some maturity issues with him, but I don't recall hearing much about that in recent years, so maybe he's good on that front.

If he'd come cheap, it'd make sense. I'm guessing he won't come cheap. Save the $$ for younger players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Mr. Smartypants then who is going to protect Terrel Pryor when we draft him next year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If he'd come cheap, it'd make sense. I'm guessing he won't come cheap. Save the $$ for younger players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM |

If the owners get their way in the new CBA, they're all gonna come cheap. Undrafted Free Agents will be in an apprenticeship program where they have to pay the team for their training. They'll be signed based on who's willing to pay the most.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Ramsey's shellshocked antics. He hops left then hops right and if nobody's open he throws into the second row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:40 PM

He throws it away now? Wow! That's an improvement over when he was here and he used to let the biggest, slowest fat guys rock his world.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, all the sudden we're a young team. 24/72 have 3 years or less.

Now if we can just get better players.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Mr. Smartypants then who is going to protect Terrel Pryor when we draft him next year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM

Who is Terrel Pryor?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Is he in our future? Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Mr. Smartypants then who is going to protect Terrel Pryor when we draft him next year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM |

Pryor will be a TE in the NFL with Tony Gonzales-type ability. He will never take a snap at the QB position....not even in a Wildcat.

Book it and bet the house.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM

It's what's known as "Zeke's Unique Perspective." Look for a three-screen length post in a few days.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember a Mr. Smartypants in Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs? Have we switched movies? Did I miss a beep?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Is he in our future? Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM


Hey, Jamarcus Russell already came in for a look-see. If we'd look at him, pretty much everyone should be on the table, no?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

He throws it away now? Wow! That's an improvement over when he was here and he used to let the biggest, slowest fat guys rock his world.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of Ramsey without concluding that Ball Coach ruined him. In fact, if I were Ramsey I'd have long ago hired an attorney and sued Spurrier for gross negligence resulting in bodily harm.

Remember when Ball Coach would send like 7 guys out into routes and Ramsey would get rag dolled?

That was brutal...I think half Spurrier's playbook was illegal by NFL formation standards..."Uh coach...don't we need another guy on the line or someone covering up the Tackle?"

"Listen Patrick....just do what I say and get the ball to Jaquez on the post route..."

"But coach..."

"Danny, Shane....come in and show this guy how a Gator does it..."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975
~~~~~
LOL! Ahhh.... I think I would kill someone if Tarvaris Jackson was even called by the Redskins. He is straight garbage. Garbage. Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

What Childress saw in this......wide receiver, I don't know, but I don't see it.

Tarvaris Jackson is a back-up slot receiver,punt-returner, kick-returner or special teams gunner....for an Arena League team.

This waste of time shouldn't even be in the NFL.....Period.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey was perfect for the Ball Coach's offense because he was used to getting obliterated after 4 years at Tulane.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:01 PM

LOL! Ramsey did deserve better coaching.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, babe, I hear ya', but Tarvaris Jackson....no, nope, nada, no-way, no-how.

He is straight garbage.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jamarcus Russell already came in for a look-see. If we'd look at him, pretty much everyone should be on the table, no?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 3:59 PM |

No.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM

At least he's not "Intrigued" by Vernon Gholston...you gotta give him that.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Many folks in Minnesota think it could be Donovan McNabb's year with the Vikes. They think he could be had for a 7th. Then the club would use a draft choice on a developmental QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM

I wonder if the Skins would let McNabb for a 7th? That's pretty darn close to letting him go for nothing. I guess it really comes down to whether or not the coaches truly feel comfortable with a full season of Rex Grossman's leading the offense.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

@Waiting-you wouldn't try Gholston at TE before declaring him a bust?

Tarvaris Jackson has played enough for everyone to see that the last thing he should be doing is lining up behind center.

J.Russell and Gholston are different in that these two haven't stayed on the field. I could make a case for kicking the tires on them.

Jackson, on the other hand, started his share of the games for the Vikings and was awful, the only thing he mastered was the panicked jump pass.

He's a proven bum.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Nine teams in nine years for Ramsey...wow...WG is right...he should sue.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Skins would let McNabb for a 7th?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 4:16 PM

No, they wouldn't. They can keep McNabb through training camp at zero cost. That alone is worth more than a 7th.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if you are kidding re: Gholston, so I'll answer.

No, I would not try him at TE. I'd be worried that he might catch a pass and run into the wrong end zone.

I don't see the guy being able to learn a new position on the other side of the ball...pass routes, blockin assignments etc...

He could not even make kick coverage units in NY. He is now being called perhaps the biggest Defensive bust in draft history.

Anyone signing him is just chasing a ghost deeper into the rabbit hole.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

McNabb for a 7th!? That's crackish.

Is a 7th round pick really going to be the equal value of Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

No, I would not try him at TE. I'd be worried that he might catch a pass and run into the wrong end zone.

~~~
Lol!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Many folks in Minnesota think it could be Donovan McNabb's year with the Vikes. They think he could be had for a 7th. Then the club would use a draft choice on a developmental QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 3, 2011 3:50 PM

I wonder if the Skins would let McNabb for a 7th? That's pretty darn close to letting him go for nothing. I guess it really comes down to whether or not the coaches truly feel comfortable with a full season of Rex Grossman's leading the offense.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 4:16 PM |

Take the 7th and run!

Sincerely,

Marques Colston, Ahmad Bradshaw, Courtland Finnigen (might be a pussy but he's a pro bolwer), Matt Cassell and Chris Horton

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Is a 7th round pick really going to be the equal value of Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Sadly...the answer at this point might be yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Ramsey's shellshocked antics. He hops left then hops right and if nobody's open he throws into the second row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse
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*sigh* He sure had a cannon, didn't he? Or maybe they were rocketballs compared to the Wuerfels balls floating around. My grandmother could sling it faster.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Gholston is a spectacular failure. I read the NY papers online to see if any of their regular sports columnists have any insight as to why. They appear to be stumped also.

I keep going back to the TE angle because the last guy to fail in such a way was Aundray Bruce, but they're as different as their names.
Yeah, it's very wishful thinking to believe that this kid could learn to play TE when he couldn't even learn to run down on kicks.
I wonder how much did he get paid for this?

I just read that WR Darius Heyward-Bey has been paid 21.4 million already by the Raiders....yikes!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Sadly...the answer at this point might be yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:40 PM

Way to go out on a limb! I guess this also leaves room for

Happily...the answer at this point might be no.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Sadly...the answer at this point might be yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse
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No, it isn't. I mean jeezus tits talk about throwing the baby away with the bath water! He was leader of an offense 8th in passing yards and 30th in rushing yards.

That's up from 16th passing with Soup, and down from 27th in rushing.

McNabb will be back, and he will have a Pro Bowl season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sadly...the answer at this point might be yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:40 PM

Way to go out on a limb! I guess this also leaves room for

Happily...the answer at this point might be no.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:44 PM |

Does that still leave room for possibly?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Is a 7th round pick really going to be the equal value of Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Sadly...the answer at this point might be yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Chuckle.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this when you all go beep-beep to signify a new idea, but

beep-beep

Here's two ideas that I kick around...

I sure would like to see the games shown on TV like it is played on any new video game- going up the screen with a behind the Quarterback perspective.

1.The camera perspective that we continue to watch with is the stone-aged side-scrolling TECMO Bowl and the NFL needs to come into the new millenium and 'Maddenize' it.


IMO, if the fledgling UFL or any other would-be competitor of the NFL would use the behind the QB camera-perspective and actively promote that they're doing it-they would steal away some NFL fans.

2.But, what do I know-I'm the one that believes it would be more exciting to let teams "pocket" Personal foul, Unnecessary Roughness or Unsportsmanlike Penalties-meaning I think that teams should be allowed to hold off the enforcement of the penalty until they wanted/needed to at any time before the game ends.

It would add a level of strategy to the game PLUS, it would make someone such as James Harrison INSTANTLY accountable to his team for knuckle-headed penalties.

After all, who would want to be the guy that gets a personal foul penalty in the 1st quarter that the opposing team "pockets" for use/enforcement in the 4th quarter while his team is driving for a tying/go-ahead score?

IMO it would be a better deterrent than fining players after the fact.

Buy or Sell?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to tell you...I asked the magic 8 ball and that's what it told me!


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Buy or Sell?


Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:51 PM

I've already explained this to you once so try to keep up

beep beep signifies a new post.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will be back, and he will have a Pro Bowl season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but it will be for the Vikings.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this when you all go beep-beep to signify a new idea, but

beep-beep

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse
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That means there has been a new thread posted, but cheers on making everyone simultaneously refresh for nothing :)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to tell you...I asked the magic 8 ball and that's what it told me!


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 4:51 PM |

LOL. How many times did you shake it? Is it possible that you shook all the magic right out of it?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

No, it isn't. I mean jeezus tits talk about throwing the baby away with the bath water! He was leader of an offense 8th in passing yards and 30th in rushing yards.

That's up from 16th passing with Soup, and down from 27th in rushing.

McNabb will be back, and he will have a Pro Bowl season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:47 PM |

Dude, that's because we were playing from behind and the opposing teams were playing prevent. Of course you're going to rack up passing yards.

Sort of like how the Patriots pass defense was always at the bottom of the league.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 3, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

I think I'm going to have Mellow Mushroom for dinner.

(That signifies my new thought)

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

No, it isn't. I mean jeezus tits talk about throwing the baby away with the bath water! He was leader of an offense 8th in passing yards and 30th in rushing yards.

That's up from 16th passing with Soup, and down from 27th in rushing.

McNabb will be back, and he will have a Pro Bowl season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 3, 2011 4:47 PM

Statistics can be deceiving, the offense still couldn't score and there were too many picks.

But It would seem to make some sense to give him a 2nd year in a new system.

So if you're right, why is Fletcher Smith (after meeting with Shanahan) telling the media that his client will be traded or released after the draft?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld
~~~~

Lol! Sorry, gang now I know....

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I asked on a thread some weeks ago, but no one responded...or so I thought.

By George, I think I have it...:-P

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that you shook all the magic right out of it?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Signs point to yes.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I asked on a thread some weeks ago, but no one responded...or so I thought.

By George, I think I have it...:-P

Posted by: ArmchairGM | March 3, 2011 5:01 PM

Yes I know...I responded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm going to have Mellow Mushroom for dinner.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 3, 2011 4:55 PM

I thought you only went with Mellow Mushroom on nights when Glee was on. You doing it now for American Idol elimination show?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Nine teams in nine years for Ramsey...wow...WG is right...he should sue.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 3, 2011 4:22 PM

Something like seven of them are in the past 2-3 years.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap we signed OJ Atogwe......... according to league sources

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe! 5 year deal w/ 'Skins is done..

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

My Magic 8-ball just told me I should go sit on the toilet and poop.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 3, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey is, at least for now, the Vikes #1 QB.

He could he be their version of Rex Grossman.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse


AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Former Rams safety O.J. Atogwe reached agreement on a five-year deal with the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

bronze medal for me...

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Re: Otogwe...Love it!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 3, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

CindyBoren Cindy Boren
There's a 24-hour extension on NFL/NFLPA talks, via multiple sources.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

bronze medal for me...

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:22 PM

Hey its RI, we're all winners.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Mike,
This hamster cage is dirty, please change the paper.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

bronze medal for me...

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:22 PM

That's your new tequila?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 3, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS SIGN OJ ATOGWE TO 5 YR 26 MILLION DOLLAR DEAL

Posted by: zjenks | March 3, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

OJ beeps*


*for those still learning, new post

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Is he in our future? Two guys who I think are cheap and underrated are Jackson and Seneca Wallace. If nothing else, I kick the tires.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 3:38 PM

Are you phuking smoking crack? Tarvaris Jackson? That may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog and that's saying something because I've posted some dumb sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2011 3:54 PM

How sweet of you. Assuming Donovan goes and we sign Tarvaris, guess who'd have the highest career passer rating of all the QBs on the team? Guess who'd be the only to have thrown more career TDs than picks? Hint: its not either of the guys on our current roster.

Our #1 QB is Rex Grossman and our backup is John Beck. I know, it hurts me to say it and much as it probably hurts to hear it.

Tarvaris is the youngest of the bunch, is 10-9 as a starter and has a higher career QB rating than Rex (by 6 points) or Beck. I've never seen Beck run, but I'm pretty sure Tarvaris is a tougher to catch than Grossman.

Beck is gonna be 30 before the season starts and is 0-4. He has thrown an NFL TD pass. Exactly 1. And 1 is a bigger number than all the NFL game passes he's thrown in 2008, 2009 and 2010 -- combined.

I wish we had better news at QB, but sadly, Tarvaris is probably an upgrade over Beck and could compete with Rex. So its not phukin stupid to look at him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Redskins have agreed to terms with safety O.J. Atogwe, formerly of the Rams, on a five-year contract.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter has confirmed the deal, and reports that it’s worth $26 million.

For once, it appears the Redskins did not brutally overpay. Also garnering offseason interest from the Broncos, Bills, and Cowboys, Atogwe’s annual average of $5.2 million sounds reasonable for a safety who has accounted for the third most turnovers among NFL defensive backs over the past five seasons. (Only Charles Woodson and Ed Reed have more.)

In Washington, Atogwe will play free safety alongside “in-the-box” thumper LaRon Landry. Atogwe is familiar with Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett’s schemes, having played for Haslett from 2006 through 2008.

The Redskins still have holes at quarterback, wide receiver, defensive end, nose tackle, and linebacker. And arguably running back and several spots on the offensive line.

But their defensive secondary, at least, is shaping up nicely on paper.

Posted by: zjenks | March 3, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Wahool we got OJ!!!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | March 3, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

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