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Posted at 6:22 PM ET, 12/27/2010

Chris Cooley believes Rex Grossman could be "the guy"

By Rick Maese

If Donovan McNabb is not the Redskins quarterback next season -- and signs certainly seem to suggest he won't be -- "I think Rex is immediately the guy," says tight end Chris Cooley.

Coaches have benched McNabb in order to evaluate Rex Grossman, who will start for the third time this Sunday against the New York Giants. Cooley said Monday evening on his weekly appearance on "The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes" on 106.7 The Fan that he's been impressed with what Grossman has managed to do in his first two outings as a Redskin.

"I think he's done a fantastic job," said Cooley. "I think he deserves the opportunity he has to play, and I think he's making the most of it."

As for next season, Cooley says it all depends on which direction the team plans to go with McNabb once the season ends.

"It's going to come down to what our organization decides to do with No. 5," Cooley said. "If he's by the phone and they tell him to go home or if they want him back. If something happens with Donovan, I think Rex is immediately the guy."

That doesn't preclude the team from acquiring another quarterback, Cooley said.

"If something happens with Donovan, you're going to address the position. Do you draft somebody? Maybe. Do you bring in a free agent? I don't know who's available. I think initially Rex would be the guy," he said. "That's only saying that January 10th, they call Donovan and say, 'We're going in a different direction.'"

The Redskins, of course, don't have to make that call in January. They can hold onto McNabb until the next season starts and release him without penalty. But Cooley says as a matter of professionalism, he thinks the Redskins would pull the trigger early.

"I think they'll make the decision and I think it'll be done early in the offseason," he said during his radio appearance. "I would assume they'll handle that business fairly early in the offseason. If they release him, I'm sure they'd give him an opportunity to be on another team. And if they want him to be quarterback -- if they want him to play for us -- he's a starter. Donovan's not a guy that you say, 'Hey, we want you to be on this team, but we want you to be a backup.' He's not that guy. He's a starter."

By Rick Maese  | December 27, 2010; 6:22 PM ET
Categories:  Chris Cooley, Rex Grossman  
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Sounds like the kiss of death to me.

As soon as someone annoints Grossman as the chosen one, he'll be on Shanny's shi+list.

Along with the Dude who said he was the one.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 27, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley believes Rex Grossman could be "the guy"

Judging by his FOUR drops and this comment, I believe that CC has a concussion.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, you better start making some catches or you could NOT be 'the guy'.

Posted by: bg1fan1 | December 27, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Nowhere and Nothing.

I can't imagine any other team would be willing to trade anything for either player -- especially when they don't need to -- since the Redskins would probaby be more than willing to just give them away.


Posted by: Vic1 | December 27, 2010 3:16 PM

I figured someone would say this and as usual it is a short sighted response. Think about it, we're giving these guys away? Once cut they hit the waiver wire. Both of these guys are good players so they'll get picked up. Worst record gets the player right? Well what if you're a team like the Vikings that could use a good quarterback or d linemen? Do you let a team like the Bills just pick 'em up off the waiver wire when you can offer a 5th? A 4th? Hell no! If enough teams think these guys have at least some value then there can be a bidding war. Mind you not a high priced one but especially with Albert the yearly price tag is low so why not through in a late round pick for a guy that can help in the right system.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's the question again people: Where and for what are McNabb and Hayney going? I've had one real response, one request for choices (come on people, come up with your own here), and some guy that just mailed it in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Did Warren Sapp reverse himself yet on his theory that the Redskins are tanking the remiander of the season?

I like this article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP440a7669c3d64cf39939d69a44973248.html

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Cooley sounded about as committed to his response to that question as Hefner will be to fidelity in his new marriage.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate- I'm with you on pulling for the Eagles to win the Super Bowl, but I only want them to win so everybody will be gunning for them next year.
We know how hard it is to repeat in this league, or even qualify for the playoffs the year after winning it all.

And maybe, just maybe, if they win, EagleFanAdam will reappear from the other side of the interwebs to "gloat". He was a good dude. Back when there were a lot of those up here...

Posted by: 4-12 | December 27, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

4-12- Hey maybe the Cowboys can win next YR and then everybody will be gunning for them in 2012. That would be awesome.

Smack1 is a great dude and what would be better than having him gloat, although he probably wouldn't considering he's a good dude.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I am big Cooley fan but I think its about time we traded him. We need to pile as many draft picks as we can. I am not sure what we can get for him but we need to get younger quick. There are way too many old players on this team. I think Fred Davis can play as well as Cooley given the opportunity. In fact, I would trade as many veterans as I can. Even if I can get late round picks. These old players are just taking roster spaces. They are useless anyway so why not go young.

Posted by: TheJury | December 27, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Riggo, don't be silly...the Redskins will win the Super Bowl next year, after going a perfect 19-0!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 27, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Riggo, don't be silly...the Redskins will win the Super Bowl next year, after going a perfect 19-0!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 27, 2010 7:02 PM

You'll have to change your handle then. At least to 8-8.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought we should have traded Cooley last year...Sure he's a fan favorite, but he has trade value and he's not that much better than Fred Davis. You've got Logan Paulson behind Davis who seems to be servicable.

You could probably get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Cooley.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to the Cardinals for a 4th, Stompy to the Titans for a 5th.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 27, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to the Cardinals for a 4th, Stompy to the Titans for a 5th.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 27, 2010 7:12 PM |

Sounds doable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I hereby predict that Albert Haynesworth will be playing in Tennessee next season after the Skins release him.

And I hereby predict that Donovan McNabb will be playing his home games in San Francisco next season after the Skins trade him for 4th and 6th round picks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Whether he's "the guy" or not, Rex is going to be the victim of several crimes on Sunday.

If anyone thinks the reeling G-Men are ripe and ready to get upset, they are crazy.

Tom Coughlin is going to rip his guys several new ones, and then they are going to unload extra doses of crap all over Rexy.

If Rex got "unfocused" after one lousy interception against an anemic pass rush/pass defense like Jacksonville's, just wait for the epic single-digit-QB-rating performance he's gonna roll out on Sunday.

Let the evaluations begin...or rather end.

Posted by: p1funk | December 27, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse


mcnabb stays, haynesworth released

Posted by: hessone | December 27, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to the Cardinals for a 4th, Stompy to the Titans for a 5th.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 27, 2010 7:12 PM

Agree on these two. Also anyone over 30 needs to go. Lets not live in the past. Its time to move on and get players who want to play. I think thats what Shanny is trying to do. May not like it the way he did it but who cares. Get players who will play hard for their jobs.

Posted by: TheJury | December 27, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm saying this but for the first time in maybe 10 years, I've watched two games where I don't have a lot of complaints about the QB position. Sure, Rexie had some bone headed moments out there, but the offense looked good, had rhythm, sustained drives, and scored touchdowns. They didn't implode in the red zone or go 3 and out in crucial situations. Grossman has already completely staged McNabb.

I don't care who has been to how many pro bowls and playoffs or who has how many years in the league or who has how many famous friends, Grossman has simply played better than McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Ramsey, and all the other QB's of the past 10 years that I'm forgetting.

This doesn't mean that Grossman is on the same level as Brady, Manning, etc. Or that he can carry the team. But if he plays a solid game and the coaches can focus on other areas for a while, he might become a hero.

Posted by: unclelonghair | December 27, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

There is a troubling phenomenon sweeping the NFL landscape:

The Philadelphia Eagles have become the new "it" team. So much that even fans of rivals Dallas, New York, and Washington are rooting for the Eagles to win it all.

The politically correct answer to the question of why this is happening is: Speculative.

The real answer to why this is happening is simple: The brothers just want Vick to succeed because of all the phony self-righteous lilly white ass wipes who never make a mistake and therefor don't know how to forgive.

Although the brothers are ultimately right on this one, one must question the virtue of such fans who root for your rival to win the championship, just because they have a brother who committed a crime that people hate him for.

Come to think of it, it's always the brothers who root for that unholy trinity of Cowboys/Lakers/Yankees.

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

How come there are so many Pittsburg Steeler and Pittsburg Penguin fans, but sooooo few Pittsburg Pirate fans?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Why does Jennifer Aniston keep making films about relationships when she can't hold down a relationship herself?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Scamp...

I hear what you're saying, but...

Redskins tried to do a deal for Haynesworth before the current season started -- and even at his relatively modest price -- we couldn't get so much as a third round pick for him. And that was before he further devalued himself with his weird work ethic, selfishness and misbehavior.

And with regard to McNabb -- the only way he could be traded is if someone picked up his options and/or agreed to the terms of his current contract -- which I believe is highly unlikely -- and again he has been further devalued by the recent benching, and disagreements with the coaching staff.

More fundamental though, is an apparent league-wide lack of respect for the Redskins organization. Why should anyone give us anything for a player that we've already written off and will soon release anyway?

I think the more likely outcome for both of these players is an unconditional release by the Redskins -- which would give them the opportunity to set their own terms for going forward.

And as for the Redskins -- the only thing they'll have to show for these signings is yet another expensive lesson in how not to run a football team. Not that I expect anyone will ever learn from it.

For another perspective on the topic, you might want to check out a recent article in the New York Times that talked about how overpaying certain "superstars" will lead to stagnation on the rest of the team.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/business/26excerpt.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=general&src=me

Or put another way -- how many Lorenzo Alexanders could you sign for the price of one Albert Haynesworth? Or how many Rex Grossmans can you sign for the price of one Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: Vic1 | December 27, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that 77% of all fights involving brothers begin and end with a sucker punch?

Is it true that 82% of all fights involving Ese begin one on one and end 2+ on one?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Do ya'll remember when Joe Gibbs ABSOLUTELY would not bench Mark Brunell?

...some of ya'll have short memories.

In Shanahan I trust (..but work on your PR skills)


Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

While I don't agree vic it was a well thought out position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

My bottom line is this:

The team lacks talent, skill and depth in so many positions that we've taken to scouting the practice squads of other teams just to find enough warm bodies to make up a game day roster. We're starting guys who would otherwise never see a single play in the National Football League... and accepting it as the way things should be.

I'll give the Shanahans credit for this much: they've unloaded a lot of this overpriced and underperforming "talent" that had been sucking up so much of the player payroll budget.

Now if they could just show us something more in the player evaluation, selection and development game -- extending beyond the freaks and geeks, undrafted rookie walk-ons, and castaways from other teams and leagues.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Cooley, you got a bad case of cheer leaderitis.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

With the political landscape ripe and fertile for Liberals and their growth, will America finally be free of the burden of being the most powerful nation in a couple years?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I have to ask, what do all the trade Cooley fans really think we could get for him?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I have to ask, what do all the trade Cooley fans really think we could get for him?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 8:16 PM |

Most are delusional. I think Cooley has more value on this team then say a 4th RD pick.

Let's say for arguments sake some team gave us a 3rd...

Now that either means we draft the next Brandon Marshall or Maurice Clarett. The point being is that we know what we have in Cooley vs having an unknown.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"If something happens with Donovan, I think Rex is immediately the guy.""

Who titles this drivel? "Cooley believes Rex could be the guy -- if McNabb isn't back" doesn't quite have the same ring, but it *is* accurate.

And I wonder why Cooley might like Rex?

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 27, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/40822478/ns/sports/

The White House says President Barack Obama has commended the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles for giving quarterback Michael Vick a second chance after his release from prison.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton says the president told owner Jeffrey Lurie that while he condemns the crimes Vick was convicted of, he believes people who have paid for their crimes should have the opportunity to contribute to society again. {{{including middle school teaching and dance instructing pedophiles too}}}

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The Philadelphia Eagles have become the new "it" team. So much that even fans of rivals Dallas, New York, and Washington are rooting for the Eagles to win it all.

--------------------------------

Not this fan.

Call me a hater, but I never want any of the other NFC East teams to succeed.

I'll be pulling for GB (if they make the playoffs) or Chicago.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 27, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

My bottom line is this:

The team lacks talent, skill and depth in so many positions that we've taken to scouting the practice squads of other teams just to find enough warm bodies to make up a game day roster. We're starting guys who would otherwise never see a single play in the National Football League... and accepting it as the way things should be.

I'll give the Shanahans credit for this much: they've unloaded a lot of this overpriced and underperforming "talent" that had been sucking up so much of the player payroll budget.

Now if they could just show us something more in the player evaluation, selection and development game -- extending beyond the freaks and geeks, undrafted rookie walk-ons, and castaways from other teams and leagues.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM

While this has nothing to do with what we were talking about Vic I absolutely agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

have to ask, what do all the trade Cooley fans really think we could get for him?


Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 8:16 PM

I'd say no better than a sixth, that's why I say, keep him.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Cooley, you got a bad case of cheer leaderitis.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM |

He picked it up from wifey.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

AH has zero value in a trade. For one teams know the Redskins are not going to bring him back. AH's performance and attitude would make him a high risk even as a free agent. McNabb has no trade value either unless he is willing to accept a new contract at much less than what he is currently under. He is more than likely going to reject that so that he can become a free agent and choose his team.

I also agree that the team should have traded Cooley last year. Also think they should have traded Fletcher and Carter.

If Rex is the one it is going to be a long rebuilding process. Priority has to be to get a young franchise qb. Otherwise it will be one decent year sandwiched between a bunch of mediocre years.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 27, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

FYI - I have worked up a proposal for a book to be jointly authored by McNabb and Haynesworth and sent it to their agents. Its title would be "Life in a Shannytown" and it would draw on real-life situations to describe what it is like to be on the wrong side of the tracks, to live in a doghouse and to be scorned and ridiculed by the powers-that-be. It think there is real potential for a book like this and hope to hear back from the agents soon.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

AH has zero value in a trade. For one teams know the Redskins are not going to bring him back. AH's performance and attitude would make him a high risk even as a free agent. McNabb has no trade value either unless he is willing to accept a new contract at much less than what he is currently under. He is more than likely going to reject that so that he can become a free agent and choose his team.

I also agree that the team should have traded Cooley last year. Also think they should have traded Fletcher and Carter.

If Rex is the one it is going to be a long rebuilding process. Priority has to be to get a young franchise qb. Otherwise it will be one decent year sandwiched between a bunch of mediocre years.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 27, 2010 8:45 PM |

I think you're wrong about AH. Teams will give up low round picks to try and get him before someone claims him off of waivers. He's not much of a risk if you give up a 5th or later. Most teams don't expect much out of players taken that late anyway. If you're Tennessee or Minnesota you give up a late rounder to keep Buffalo or Detroit from getting him for nothing. Especially Tenn since they know what he can do if he's happy. Tampa Bay also.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

While I don't agree vic it was a well thought out position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 8:05 PM |

Dude, are you okay? I never thought I would see a post where a skeeve like you offers up warm and loving words for a fellow RI blogger like Vic1.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, it's always the brothers who root for that unholy trinity of Cowboys/Lakers/Yankees.

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Based on their analysis and commentary on the Post game show as of late, one could wonder whether BMitch and Blackistone have the same mentality. Seems like McNabb (a class A person) and Shanahan's have been able to move on, putting personal differences aside for the sake of the team. BMitch Blackistone seem to want to continue fanning the flames. For what purpose? We need more team players like McNabb, Daniels and Holliday and fewer CPs and AHs who are self centered and more impressed with their "bling" than with the pursuit of the "ring" Its time to put and end the hood mentality its culture that has been and continues to be poison to this team. Kudos Coach...Hats off to McNabb. Great guys...great leaders.

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, it's always the brothers who root for that unholy trinity of Cowboys/Lakers/Yankees.

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Based on their analysis and commentary on the Post game show as of late, one could wonder whether BMitch and Blackistone have the same mentality. Seems like McNabb (a class A person) and Shanahan's have been able to move on, putting personal differences aside for the sake of the team. BMitch Blackistone seem to want to continue fanning the flames. For what purpose? We need more team players like McNabb, Daniels and Holliday and fewer CPs and AHs who are self centered and more impressed with their "bling" than with the pursuit of the "ring" Its time to put and end the hood mentality its culture that has been and continues to be poison to this team. Kudos Coach...Hats off to McNabb. Great guys...great leaders.

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

While I don't agree vic it was a well thought out position.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 8:05 PM |

Dude, are you okay? I never thought I would see a post where a skeeve like you offers up warm and loving words for a fellow RI blogger like Vic1.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:03 PM

I typically reserve venomous attacks for SJKing retards who attack first or just make blatantly assinine remarks. You fit both bills d-bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Methinks Cooley should shut his yap about the QB situation.

"So, Chris, what do you think about Rex?"
"He's done some good things, he's done some bad things. I hope he doesn't get kilt against the Giants."
"So, do you think he's the guy?"
"For right now"
"But, I mean, for the future"
"Till the Giants game"
"But who do you think will be the starter next year?"
".... wanna see a picture of my... playbook?"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 27, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975
I T A dude.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that 82% of all fights involving Ese begin one on one and end 2+ on one?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:45 PM

Not true. The percentage fluctuates depending on the race of the individual not saying Ese.

Got it Ese-bro?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 27, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Cooley, you got a bad case of cheer leaderitis.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM |

He picked it up from wifey.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, dehydration from bedroom sweating causing poor eyesight.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 27, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that 82% of all fights involving Ese begin one on one and end 2+ on one?

Posted by: Debaitor | December 27, 2010 7:45 PM |

Sabes que ese? Te voy a filirear!

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:07 PM |

Whew! You had me worried for a minute or two there. Best wishes for a happy and prosperous new year!

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:07 PM |

Whew! You had me worried for a minute or two there. Best wishes for a happy and prosperous new year!

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:36 PM

Same to you and yours AA. May your New Year be filled with joy and happiness and more importantly...wins.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

In watching the Saints tonight I realize a big difference from the Girls game to the Jags game...tempo. A lot of balls snapped with one or two seconds left on the GC an at least one DOG penalty.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 27, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Saints would be interested in Haynesworth. They run a 4-3 and could use some line help. You gotta think Hayney would love to play for a Superbowl contender. Cheap pay out for Hayney's contract.

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Posted by: sdgashasdg | December 27, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

A lot of balls snapped with one or two seconds left on the GC an at least one DOG penalty.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 27, 2010 9:48 PM |

And here I always thought that Vick was the only QB that ever had a DOG penalty called against him.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Saints would be interested in Haynesworth. They run a 4-3 and could use some line help. You gotta think Hayney would love to play for a Superbowl contender. Cheap pay out for Hayney's contract.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 9:50 PM |

Interesting thought. The thing about AH is that he lugs around a lot of malcontent baggage and after his embroglio with MS you would think that would scare a lot of coaches away right off the bat, irrespective of how much talent he still has, which itself is up for debate since he hasn't played very well the last two seasons, at least compared to previous yrs.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thought. The thing about AH is that he lugs around a lot of malcontent baggage and after his embroglio with MS you would think that would scare a lot of coaches away right off the bat, irrespective of how much talent he still has, which itself is up for debate since he hasn't played very well the last two seasons, at least compared to previous yrs.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:02 PM |

The thing about being a malcontent is that it sometimes magically heals up with winning. Only issue here is Grilliams. He's not known for catering to freelancers yet he will adjust a defensive scheme to suit a beast.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

In his presser MS talked about how Grossman sulked after throwing a pick in the Jags game. That's probably the key concern he has about Grossman, whether he has the mental toughness to be his kind of QB. One thing about Brees and Ryan is that you would never see either of them do something like that. Eli probably would, but not these two dudes. They have True Grit.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hyundai girl? I still say "no'.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 27, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is kind of like Arrington. As with Arrington, he has had a couple of good Pro Bowl years followed by bickering over how he was used. For Arrington that turned out to be all she wrote, with injuries being a big factor as well. Who knows if the same fate awaits Haynesworth.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah92 n Ac99 to the saints for a 3rd??

Any takers??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a theory and it will be interesting to see if it holds true this year. In order to win a Superbowl you must have a player from Georgia Tech and Purdue on your team. I think it's been true for the last 7 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 10:29 PM |

You can be sure that the Skins have shopped both. If they had an offer like that they probably would have said "Deal!"

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Ah92 n Ac99 to the saints for a 3rd??

Any takers??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 10:29 PM

Better hope AC99 is one or it's no deal. Of course, why he wouldn't want to get the hell out of here, go back to playing his natural position, and play for a winner would be a mystery.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

In order to win a Superbowl you must have a player from Georgia Tech and Purdue on your team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 10:29 PM |

I get it. You need players from these two schools in order to "engineer" a win.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

L.T. Personal Fowl!

Way to go, Leigh Torrance.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 27, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Man, I like the way Brees handles himself.

Makes a dumb mistake, doesn't yell, doesn't hang his head, doesn't say anything to the HC, but goes over, stands BEHIND his coach, and just screams at himself in his own head while showing no emotion. Just gonna go back in and try to win it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 27, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Operative word being "try," apparently. Guh.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 27, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

No one is to cheer fer de EEgles until ze Super Bowl..Eeven zen we play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t02rvbp-qRA

Posted by: frak | December 27, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, do u think that if shannys are looking to unload 4 or 5 guys they will take lower round picks, lower than normal because they know they adding a good number of picks??

Or istance we supposedly only got offered a 4th for hayney before the deadline, would you take a 5th knowing your getting a pick from mcnabb, cooley/davis/carter(with his ok)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

In his presser MS talked about how Grossman sulked after throwing a pick in the Jags game. That's probably the key concern he has about Grossman, whether he has the mental toughness to be his kind of QB. One thing about Brees and Ryan is that you would never see either of them do something like that. Eli probably would, but not these two dudes. They have True Grit.

Posted by: AlligatorAl | December 27, 2010 10:16 PM


The key concern with Grossman? Toughness?

Nah...

I'm thinking it's his noodle arm. Or maybe his lack of athleticism. Or his tendency for turn-overs. Or perhaps his inability to read and dissect complex defenses. Or rather inconsistent play.

I don't know, toughness?

Well, maybe.

Posted by: edvar | December 27, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, do u think that if shannys are looking to unload 4 or 5 guys they will take lower round picks, lower than normal because they know they adding a good number of picks??

Or istance we supposedly only got offered a 4th for hayney before the deadline, would you take a 5th knowing your getting a pick from mcnabb, cooley/davis/carter(with his ok)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, do u think that if shannys are looking to unload 4 or 5 guys they will take lower round picks, lower than normal because they know they adding a good number of picks??

Or istance we supposedly only got offered a 4th for hayney before the deadline, would you take a 5th knowing your getting a pick from mcnabb, cooley/davis/carter(with his ok)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:19 PM |

I still think Hayney is worth the 4th personally. And if a couple teams don't want to let him hit the waiver wire he could go for higher. I don't think it's likely but it is possible. There are always teams out there that think they are one player away and a 3rd isn't a lot to give up to make it to the show.

Having said that I think the Shanny's have a number in mind. If it's getting close to nut cuttin' time they'll take what they can get. A 7th is better than just cutting the guy. Plus the other team picks up the contract, if we cut him I'm pretty sure we're on the hook for the guaranteed money. I don't know if the quantity of picks they expect will have an effect on what they expect for each individual players worth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Ya I agree hayney is worth a 4th. Even without great stats in his first yr rak n carter reaped the benefits of him in the middle.

He makes other guys on the line better, someone will take him.

I think we will add 2 4th round picks. Mcnabb n Hayney; Arz n Ten

I have a feeling were gonna make a move for the number one pick

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Ya I agree hayney is worth a 4th. Even without great stats in his first yr rak n carter reaped the benefits of him in the middle.

He makes other guys on the line better, someone will take him.

I think we will add 2 4th round picks. Mcnabb n Hayney; Arz n Ten

I have a feeling were gonna make a move for the number one pick

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling were gonna make a move for the number one pick

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:37 PM

If Luck comes out. The smart play if Luck stays in school is to take a third or 4th in a trade back and draft a qb/dl/olb/ol/wr later in the 1st.

Posted by: TWISI | December 27, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's worth scares me. He's always been the guy that makes plays by buying time with his feet. Problem is now he's lost a step and his accuracy is worse. Plus his contract, although it's a series of one year contracts, is a little high.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones lines up two Rooney Rule interviews

Posted by Mike Florio on December 27, 2010, 9:29 PM EST

Adhering to the path that the Redskins blazed a year ago with a sham in-house interview that complied with the letter but not necessarily the spirit of the Rooney Rule, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Monday that he’ll interview receivers coach Ray Sherman for the head-coaching job in Dallas, according to Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com. Jones also will be interviewing another minority candidate, whose name has not yet been disclosed but who apparently is a current member of the coaching staff.

Florio loves to take his shots at us...Looks like Garrett could be the man for the boys.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I guess the mental toughness Brees showed after throwing two picks is what Shanny wants from Grossman.

Posted by: TWISI | December 27, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

unclelonghair, you seem to be forgetting the miraculous ride we took with Todd Collins, 4-0 to finish the 2007 season and roll into the playoffs.

How soon we forget... The longtime backup who knew the system came in and kicked some butt. The big difference between that Toddomatic run and this one by Rex is that those games mattered for the Skins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Twisi

If luck stays in I say we wait on a qb this yr, shanny wants an elite franchise qb

I say we trade back n grab a top og/c then use our 2nd on the same

Our line is pathetic n we need young studs.

Imagine our line with 2 more ahtletic big guys ala TW

We refind our roots in the run game.

If aj green falls to us we grab him, if not we try to trade back, if we can't trade back we grab a olb/de to go with rak

I hope to trade back n grab stefan wisenewski n use the 2nd rnd pick on Rodney Hudson

Camp-

I think mcnabb is off because they always wanted to change his style, constantly on him bout his foot work

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton is going to be the guy next year.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 27, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Twisi

If luck stays in I say we wait on a qb this yr, shanny wants an elite franchise qb

I say we trade back n grab a top og/c then use our 2nd on the same

Our line is pathetic n we need young studs.

Imagine our line with 2 more ahtletic big guys ala TW

We refind our roots in the run game.

If aj green falls to us we grab him, if not we try to trade back, if we can't trade back we grab a olb/de to go with rak

I hope to trade back n grab stefan wisenewski n use the 2nd rnd pick on Rodney Hudson

Camp-

I think mcnabb is off because they always wanted to change his style, constantly on him bout his foot work

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree trade Cooley.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 27, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

wireman65

McNabb to the Cardinals for a 4th, Stompy to the Titans for a 5th.


I'd love for this to happen.

It (plus a conditional pick for J Tyron's trade to Indy) might render a draft that should look like this:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

That's 8 picks.

Am I right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

moe

It would be 9 because you forget that we receive the saints 5th with them getting our third

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Camp-

I think mcnabb is off because they always wanted to change his style, constantly on him bout his foot work

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 27, 2010 11:52 PM

Gonna be hard to convince other teams of that especially when he's always had accuracy issues.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones lines up two Rooney Rule interviews


Jerry Jones: Welcome, gentlemen.

I just want to thank you for helping me comply with the league's rule that I give two clueless minority coaches a brief interview before giving the head coach job of the Dallas Cowboys to the white guy I really want to hire.

I hope you are not offended by this process.

mistamoe: I am offended.

This whole exercise is a sham.

But I do want the job.

gimmiesummoe: You mean I'm not a white guy?

Damn.

Now I'm really offended.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Lol I'm hopin that the rest of the league thinks shanny is real as crazy as he could be.

My thought is that everyone thinks we suck, mcnabbs as great and untouchable as his image

Someone will give up a 4th for him. Az has the big targets we lack, some of those errant throws are negated to targets with more height n range

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

for the record, I'm not defending mcnabb, I'm tryin to sell him to a new team

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

brandon

It would be 9 because you forget that we receive the saints 5th with them getting our third..


So the correct draft, then, is:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

Am I right about this?

Seeing how we all want lineman, picks in rounds 4/5 should add the kind of athletic depth guys to play the line on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, that was definitely a shot from Florio, but it's not as though it was inaccurate. That's exactly how the process went down; the Rooney Rule interviews were a sham. Just as they will be if Jerreh has already made his mind up to hire Jason Garrett.

But as I think we've discussed before, the simple fact that minority candidates must be included in the process gives them (a) access and exposure to the good ol' boy decisionmakers that they may not have enjoyed before and (b) practice for subsequent interviews when they may have a better chance.

So even a sham interview to satisfy the Rooney Rule serves a good purpose, in my opinion.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 28, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

brandon

for the record, I'm not defending mcnabb, I'm tryin to sell him to a new team

If McNabb lands in either Minn or AZ, the story next year will be about the 'rejuvenation' of his career.

Fact is, DM5 is at a point in his career where he cannot carry a team--he needs 2/3 elite playmakers on the edges to help him advance the offense.

He can still play--just not in a place like D.C. where the expectations are high and the talent level is low.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Lol I'm hopin that the rest of the league thinks shanny is real as crazy as he could be.

My thought is that everyone thinks we suck, mcnabbs as great and untouchable as his image

Someone will give up a 4th for him. Az has the big targets we lack, some of those errant throws are negated to targets with more height n range

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:02 AM

Let's hope. Did you ever think there would come a day when people would be happy to get 4th round picks for guys with names like Haynesworth or McNabb?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

So the correct draft, then, is:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

Am I right about this?

+++++

I don't think we have a 4th rounder this year.

1,2,5,5,6,7,7,

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

gimmiesummoe: You mean I'm not a white guy?

Damn.

Now I'm really offended.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:01 AM |

This is a blog Moe. You can be a white guy if you want to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

nate- I don't disagree. There wasn't a vacancy hernate- I don't disagree. There wasn't a vacancy here per say. It was a check the box situation. We both agree and no need to rehash the good/bad of the Rooney rule.

I just hope I didn't open the door for a few days of dialogue..e per say. It was a check the box situation. We both agree and no need to rehash the good/bad of the Rooney rule.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan hopeful that Rogers, Orakpo will play vs. Giants

I say play RobJax opposite Orakpo and let them spend the day knocking Eli "Gump" Manning to the ground.

The last game of the year is our playoff game!!!!

Let no player from New York leave the field a giant.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we have a 4th rounder this year.

1,2,5,5,6,7,7,

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:20 AM |

I believe he was playing with the notion that we would get a 4th and a 5th for McNabb and Haynesworth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

not sure what happened there..This is what I typed.

nate- I don't disagree. There wasn't a vacancy here per say. It was a check the box situation. We both agree and no need to rehash the good/bad of the Rooney rule.

I just hope I didn't open the door for a few days of dialogue

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 28, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Let no player from New York leave the field a giant.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:24 AM

I'd prefer they leave by being dragged out of a puddle of their own pee and vomit to the locker room.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we have a 4th rounder this year.

1,2,5,5,6,7,7,

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:20 AM |

I believe he was playing with the notion that we would get a 4th and a 5th for McNabb and Haynesworth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:25 AM

You're right. I didn't read back far enough...

That would be a nice get.

1,2,4,5,5,5,6,7,7,

Trade that 2 back and get a couple of 3's and we're in business.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

edvar

I don't think we have a 4th rounder this year.

1,2,5,5,6,7,7


You're probably right.

So, since we're all fatmouthing here late at night, imagine if you could trade the 1st rounder in an effort to acquire additional picks:

2, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

I'm trading the number 1 for a 2nd and a 4th.

You can still snag a q-back in round 2 and quality lineman as well.

Having the 4th gives you the chance to take 4 decent players (offensive/defensive linemen) who satisfy needs.

Perhaps--and I know this is all a lot of empty rhetoric as we can't control the outcome--perhaps trading the number 1 pick is the better option.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Diesel.

We've got a ragtag band of Redskins to support over the next few days as they gear up for an unlikely but entirely possible spoliation of the Giants' postseason hopes, on our field.

And who knows, maybe some happy jibba jabba will arise up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 28, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Trade that 2 back and get a couple of 3's and we're in business.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:33 AM |

I don't know if I'd do that. The way people are talking about this draft there will be 1st round talent in the 2nd. If what they say is true I might trade a 1st back for a second and 3rd/4th but I'd keep the 2nd.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

I'd prefer they leave by being dragged out of a puddle of their own pee and vomit to the locker room.

I agree.

I say 'payback is a mutha' as that national tv beatdown we endured a few weeks ago in the Meadowlands is still fresh on my mind.

Let's punch the Giants in the mouth to end the season.

And I don't give F about losing draft position, either, as that talk annoys in ways you don't want to know about.

Treat the game like it's a playoff game, I say.

Make 7-9 the final goal, not draft slotting.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

"I think Rex is immediately the guy," says tight end Chris Cooley.

meaning: he's the guy today and that's it... sexy rexy is not the guy for the future...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 28, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I think we're trading 1st rounders for too little.

Assume we draft at #15 (trade value 1050)

I would swap my 1st for a late 1st (say 25th - trade value 720) and a late 2nd (same spot, 57th - trade value 330). A trade like this would yield an even trade value based on trade points. 1050 vs 1040.

That would be pretty cool.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Make 7-9 the final goal, not draft slotting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:40 AM

Indeed

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

ya I gotta say I never thought that would be talked about, n now were all just hopeful that we can snag those picks for them

I think one point I may stand alone on is when we should draft our lineman.

Most would say 4th n on, I kno as of now we have no 4th

I say draft lineman top 2 picks, add in d line man if we acquire another top round from trading back

Supposedly its a yr for wr/db but I say our needs outweigh the talent pool

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

ya I gotta say I never thought that would be talked about, n now were all just hopeful that we can snag those picks for them

I think one point I may stand alone on is when we should draft our lineman.

Most would say 4th n on, I kno as of now we have no 4th

I say draft lineman top 2 picks, add in d line man if we acquire another top round from trading back

Supposedly its a yr for wr/db but I say our needs outweigh the talent pool

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I say draft lineman top 2 picks, add in d line man if we acquire another top round from trading back

Supposedly its a yr for wr/db but I say our needs outweigh the talent pool

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:48 AM |

I'm down with drafting oline but I don't thin you spend a high first rounder on one that isn't a LT. Maybe late first for a good C. Otherwise 2nd and third rounders should bring starters. We need a good NT. If there's one good enough out there then it's okay to grab him in the first.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer they leave by being dragged out of a puddle of their own pee and vomit to the locker room.

I agree.

I say 'payback is a mutha' as that national tv beatdown we endured a few weeks ago in the Meadowlands is still fresh on my mind.

Let's punch the Giants in the mouth to end the season.

And I don't give F about losing draft position, either, as that talk annoys in ways you don't want to know about.

Treat the game like it's a playoff game, I say.

Make 7-9 the final goal, not draft slotting.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse


I LOVE THIS!

There are three ways to keep score in a game like this: Points, bodies and coaches.


Let's own all three.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Scamp

I think trade back into mid twenties, grab stefan wisnewski, smart kid center from Penn State, then use our high second round pick on Rodney Hudson, OG from FSU. Both could be potential first rounds

Possibly throw Pouncey into the mix somewhere.

For NT I like Sederick Ellis from Hampton University

He's 6 4 345 lbs n likely a mid to late round selection

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm down with drafting oline but I don't think you spend a high first rounder on one that isn't a LT. Maybe late first for a good C. Otherwise 2nd and third rounders should bring starters. We need a good NT. If there's one good enough out there then it's okay to grab him in the first.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 12:52 AM |

Yup!

Might want to look for a MONSTER LB in the first as well. Gotta break some heads on D next year.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Edv

For your monster u want ILB or OLB??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I think trade back into mid twenties, grab stefan wisnewski, smart kid center from Penn State, then use our high second round pick on Rodney Hudson, OG from FSU. Both could be potential first rounds

Possibly throw Pouncey into the mix somewhere.

For NT I like Sederick Ellis from Hampton University

He's 6 4 345 lbs n likely a mid to late round selection

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 12:59 AM


That's a pretty good draft board there.

You ought to consider Marcus Cannon from TCU. He's a 6-5 350 TACKLE that is considered one of the best athletes on his team. Guy like that would be an awesome Guard in Shanny's scheme, and a key acquisition in the 2nd round. (as long as he can control his weight...)

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Edv

For your monster u want ILB or OLB??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Ed

That guy sounds solid.

Speaking of TCU I recently heard theissman I believe, think andy dalton could be an nfl player

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I think that C from Penn State would be a great grab.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Night all
HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 28, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Edv

For your monster u want ILB or OLB??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 28, 2010 1:06 AM

Sorry, stepped away for a moment.

OLB to compliment Orakpo.

Night all.

Posted by: edvar | December 28, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm reminded of an old classic Matt Foley/Chris Farley line- "Dad, I wish you would just shut your big YAPPER!"

Still love 47 but he needs to keep his mouth quiet on the QB situation and play ball, and better at that. His play of late makes me wonder if he's been nippin on grandpa's cough syrup too much the night before the game.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley believes Rex Grossman could be "the guy"


Let's fix that a minute, there #47:

"Rex Grossman could be on the waiver wire"

"Rex Grossman could be the guy we stop calling The Human Turnover and start calling Gus Frerotte 2.0"

"Rex Grossman could be easily be unseated by a rookie as the starting QB"

All of which are more likely than him being "the guy".

To catch up on the last two threads; sit Orakpo, play Rogers, forget the interception...Grossman lost focus sometime after draft day 2003.

Let's have a good one, RI.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

What we've learned, 12-27-10

By: John Keim


1. It's easy to see why Vonnie Holliday has lasted so long in the NFL » Though he's best suited for a backup role at this stage of his career, just to keep fresh over 16 games if nothing else, he can still play. Holliday is adept at setting up blitzes for teammates the way he slants his rush and occupies blockers. But Sunday, he also excelled at staying low on almost every snap he played and using leverage to shuck blockers and make tackles. It happened several times, and his ability to win one-on-one battles made a huge difference at right end.

2. Redskins players are more interested in winning than draft position » Yes, winning drops them lower in the draft, but picking high doesn't guarantee success. Otherwise, the Browns and Lions would be perennial Super Bowl contenders. The key isn't drafting high; it's drafting smart. Just look at the New England Patriots. There's no doubt the Redskins could use a high pick, but they also needed wins. Had they gone from four wins under Jim Zorn to five under Mike Shanahan, it would have led to serious questions.

3. The offensive scheme really does work » It's amazing how many times receivers such as Santana Moss and tight end Chris Cooley get open, especially compared to the previous couple seasons. For Moss, it helps that they put him in the slot and move him around, giving him a chance to use his quickness and route-running ability to get open. But the design of the plays helps, too. On Moss' 38-yarder, there was confusion in the secondary partly because Anthony Armstrong's presence occupied the safety, allowing Moss to get free.

4. The 3-4 is a good defense when the line plays as it did Sunday » Heck, any defense would be good in that situation. The line excelled at creating traffic in the middle, by getting penetration or occupying blockers, enabling the inside linebackers often to run clean to the ball. And the outside linebackers were able to pinch any holes on the edge. It was a good example of team defense. Yes, it would have made a difference had Maurice Jones-Drew played, but there weren't many holes available for anyone.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/redskins-confidential/2010/12/what-weve-learned-12-27-10#ixzz19OxlzvdB

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Posted by: sdgashasdg | December 28, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

From Matt Moseley's Monday Blitz Package on ESPN.com:

Maybe the Mike Shanahan era is finally getting underway. With all the distractions swirling around this organization, it's pretty impressive that Shanahan had his team prepared to upset the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm not saying this Jaguars bunch is headed anywhere, but the Redskins were playing without 13 opening-day starters. Players such as Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson made plays on defense for coordinator Jim Haslett. This was a rag-tag bunch that Shanahan duct-taped together, but it somehow got the job done on the road. This is the type of win the Redskins can build on. Now, they desperately need to stay in a game against the Giants, a team that has dominated them in recent years. If you can beat the Giants at FedEx and finish 7-9, you can carry a little momentum into the offseason. At that point, Shanahan can focus on drafting or trading for a franchise quarterback. (And by the way, the Eagles have another quarterback they'd listen to trade offers for). But something tells me that Shanahan wants to draft a quarterback he can mold from the start. He openly covets Sam Bradford, so he'll be looking for a similarly talented player. And I can't say that I see anyone in this draft with that type of potential. It will be interesting to see how the Skins approach this offseason. It's still been a lost season for them based on the way Donovan McNabb played and how the situation went down with Albert Haynesworth. But a couple of wins at the end of the season could make things a little more palatable for Redskins fans.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

There is only ONE smart move with regards to No. 5....keep him until one or more teams offer a draft pick for him. There are teams who need a QB now, and several more that may need one after pre-season injuries. Assuming, of course, there is a season next year.
Cooley forgot to mention the trade option.
This is a business...the team wants something back for the spent draft picks.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | December 28, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I read a lot of the posts here and post infrequently, but I think many of you calling for Cooley to be traded are wrong. Joe Gibbs talked about guys that were true Redskins. We only have a few of those guys right now. Fletch, Moss, and Chris Cooley are the ones that come to mind. OK...Cools had a bad game on Sunday. But this is a guy that brings it week in and week out, is a really good guy and wants to be here. His play, like Fletch and Moss, is without a doubt, consistent on a year to year basis. If Coach Shanny is really trying to change the mindset at Redskins Park, he will still need a core group of guys that are solid guys on and off the field make you proud that the guys wear Burgundy and Gold.

Posted by: JKSkins | December 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

OMG...Cooley the has been...all season slower than a wounded sloth...has ZERO credibility....

This DEAD team walking has no nfl worthy QB in their organization.

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | December 28, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Wizards.......Nots......DEADskins.......you can spin all the blind faith names you want...but all 3 are so talent depleted....they can be irrelevant this entire decade.

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | December 28, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The fact is Cooley needs to be traded now, he has lost his quickness and has looked very slow out there. Did I also mention that he seems to be not catching the balls as well? Fred Davis needs to start, I simply think that Cooley isn't the best type of TE for this version of the West Coast Offense. I think we can get a 4th round pick for him and I also say keep McNabb and Haynesworth I think there will be some injury next year that will make the trade value for them higher. Especially Haynesworth and point blank if the 3-4 isn't addressed somehow this offseason than switch back to the 4-3, hell atleast Haynesworth won't gripe and might play some good ball. Either way you look at it we need to trade just about anyone to get more draft picks, everyone could be traded with the exception of Orakpo, Trent Williams.

Posted by: RussPenmanIII | December 28, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

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