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Posted at 4:18 PM ET, 12/30/2010

Kyle Shanahan still evaluating Rex Grossman

By Jason Reid

Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has liked most of what he's seen from quarterback Rex Grossman throughout the season in practice and during Grossman's two games as a starter.

Grossman's three-game audition to solidify his standing on the roster ends Sunday against the New York Giants at FedEx Field, and Shanahan said he still has an open mind about the eight-year veteran.

"I definitely haven't developed an opinion yet," he said after practice Thursday at Redskins Park. "I'm not trying to. I want to make sure to let him do his thing, let him go through three games. And we'll evaluate it with the tape and see how it goes.

"But he's done good so far. I thought he played a little bit better versus Dallas than he did last week. But he did what it took to win the game last week. And that was a big step for him. I'd love for him to get a second win this week and hopefully continue to play better."

By Jason Reid  | December 30, 2010; 4:18 PM ET
Categories:  Rex Grossman  
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Comments

That's what he's supposed to be doing.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 30, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

One thing that really makes Rex Grossman look good: Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 30, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Could it be that we all have missed something here?

Mike Shanahan kept saying he wanted to better evaluate Grossman and Beck once Skins were mathematically eliminated. He never uttered negative statements about McNabb when he made this declaration.

Could it be possible that Skins evaluate tape of McNabb and Grossman as starters, then decide to name McNabb starter and Grossman backup for 2011, sign Grossman to modest 1-2 yr contract worthy of backup and draft a young QB in Rd 1 or 2 next April?

I will hold out hope that this scenario plays out and block out what the Source Brothers say!

Happy New Year Skins Fans ... HAIL!

Posted by: gilk | December 30, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Could it be possible that Skins evaluate tape of McNabb and Grossman as starters, then decide to name McNabb starter and Grossman backup for 2011, sign Grossman to modest 1-2 yr contract worthy of backup and draft a young QB in Rd 1 or 2 next April?

Posted by: gilk | December 30, 2010 4:27 PM

Anything is possible BUT since Shanahan already said that he would welcome McNabb as a back-up, this scenario seems pretty far-fetched.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 30, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Rex is known to have a good game/bad game/good game and so on.

By this logic he is due to throw 3TDs and 1int against the Giants.

I have a feeling we win big on Sunday, we're due to end this streak against the Giants.

Karma is on our side. We won last week the right way.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Grossman is awful-- we are all in denial if we think Rex will lead anywhere but to dismal and bitter failure.

Shenanigan has disappointed all-- we had hoped grown-ups were finally put in charge; but alas, that is not the case. 'My way or the highway'; forcing the players to fit the system while giving away draft picks for a player that cannot fit the system defies logic-- did Snyder shove this down Shenanigan's throat? In any event, Shenangigan has proved to be a poor motivator with even worse interpersonal skills. Nepotism rarely ends well.

Being a 'Skins fan is among the toughest plights in all of fandom.

Posted by: ringhisclock | December 30, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Rex vs McNabb. Like evaluating a 1988 truck vs a 1992 truck. Both have lots of mileage and lots of dings. The '88 model has a bigger engine but bald tires. The '92 has a better stereo and a broken navigation system.

Neither truck is reliable transportation. Why bother?

Posted by: howjensen | December 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how they expect to evaluate Rex in 3 games. It took them 10 games to conclude that Joey Galloway couldn't play.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Rex vs McNabb. Like evaluating a 1988 truck vs a 1992 truck. Both have lots of mileage and lots of dings. The '88 model has a bigger engine but bald tires. The '92 has a better stereo and a broken navigation system.

Neither truck is reliable transportation. Why bother?

Posted by: howjensen | December 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Rex vs McNabb. Like evaluating a 1988 truck vs a 1992 truck. Both have lots of mileage and lots of dings. The '88 model has a bigger engine but bald tires. The '92 has a better stereo and a broken navigation system.

Neither truck is reliable transportation. Why bother?

Posted by: howjensen | December 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Grossmans stats have been worse than McNabbs except for one quarter out of 8. Grossman is horrible, he gives ya false hope. You can never fall in love with him when does good for one quarter because he'll break your heart inthe end. I.e......Cowboys game

Posted by: avbanig | December 30, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"But he's done good so far." - It's supposed to be "well" you idiot. Did you major in basket weaving in college?

"I'd love for him to get a second win this week and hopefully continue to play better." - Please keep your relationship with Rex private. This outward show of affection to another man is not endearing yourself to others on the team.

Posted by: v6this | December 30, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Grossmans stats have been worse than McNabbs except for one quarter out of 8. Grossman is horrible, he gives ya false hope. You can never fall in love with him when does good for one quarter because he'll break your heart inthe end. I.e......Cowboys game

Posted by: avbanig | December 30, 2010 5:31 PM |
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avbanig - We know you're a McNabb lover. You go on and on about him all the time. Rex' half against the 'girls looks better than the complete games by McNabb. When the object of your latent sexual urges gets shipped out of here to Arizona or Minny in the offseason, try not to cry about it with your little girl tears and stamping your feet, ok...Turtle?

Posted by: besux2004 | December 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Unless Donovan takes about a $10 million pay cut - I really don't want him back as a backup next year. At this point - I'd take a 4th or 5th round draft choice. Maybe somebody will be stupid and give us a 2 or 3, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

Posted by: Craightond | December 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Kyle Shanahan have a full year in Houston to evaluate Grossman? And didn't Grossman come here as a backup at Kyle Shanahan's request? After nearly two complete seasons, you still need to evaluate him to understand what he can or cannot do? And every time Kyle opens his mouth, it seems to confirm that McNabb was Mike Shanahan's choice, and Kyle Shanahan didn't want him (he preferred Grossman all along). Sure looks like Kyle spent the season trying to undermine McNabb to force the issue, and sounds like a guy who would not hesitate to leak negative anonymous information about a player in order to get his way. Seriously, can anyone recall a positive statement from Kyle Shanahan about McNabb?

This situation says more about the coaches inability to evaluate talent than it does about the QBs. So lets sum up: McNabb is brought in after Shanahan is hired without understanding that McNabb excels when he is on the move and looking deep, contrary to the system they want to install (which is a shorter passing game with progression reads). Grossman is brought here without an understanding of what he can do on the field. Beck is brought in because, well that one is anybody's guess.

The Shanahans can work out as coaches (maybe) but it becomes more apparent with each passing day that the Skins either need Allen to take control of personnel or bring in a personnel director who can identify and evaluate talent, and has control over the roster. This season, and the whole QB situation specifically, is a great example about why coaches rarely succeed when they also serve as GMs. Way too many conflicitng interests.

I understand that SHanahan won't stand for that, so this whole siuation may be on borrowed time and will end poorly.

Posted by: haunches | December 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Kyle Shanahan have a full year in Houston to evaluate Grossman? And didn't Grossman come here as a backup at Kyle Shanahan's request? After nearly two complete seasons, you still need to evaluate him to understand what he can or cannot do? And every time Kyle opens his mouth, it seems to confirm that McNabb was Mike Shanahan's choice, and Kyle Shanahan didn't want him (he preferred Grossman all along). Sure looks like Kyle spent the season trying to undermine McNabb to force the issue, and sounds like a guy who would not hesitate to leak negative anonymous information about a player in order to get his way. Seriously, can anyone recall a positive statement from Kyle Shanahan about McNabb?

This situation says more about the coaches inability to evaluate talent than it does about the QBs. So lets sum up: McNabb is brought in after Shanahan is hired without understanding that McNabb excels when he is on the move and looking deep, contrary to the system they want to install (which is a shorter passing game with progression reads). Grossman is brought here without an understanding of what he can do on the field. Beck is brought in because, well that one is anybody's guess.

The Shanahans can work out as coaches (maybe) but it becomes more apparent with each passing day that the Skins either need Allen to take control of personnel or bring in a personnel director who can identify and evaluate talent, and has control over the roster. This season, and the whole QB situation specifically, is a great example about why coaches rarely succeed when they also serve as GMs. Way too many conflicitng interests.

I understand that SHanahan won't stand for that, so this whole siuation may be on borrowed time and will end poorly.

Posted by: haunches | December 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Haunches,

Beautiful post. Dead on pount, with no personal attacks on other posters. I could not agree more with your assessment.

Regretably, Snyder picked the wrong guy again. The poor bastard's heart is in the right place; and most of us thought Shenanigan was a good hire. However, everything football that Danny boy touches turns to lead. The painful Truth/inescapable conclusion is that the 'Skins are a doomed franchise until Snyder sells. Bidders anyone?

Posted by: ringhisclock | December 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

As long as the words Grossman and starting are used together, the Skins will continue to be horrible. Say what you want about McNabb, at least he's had success. If you (coaches and fans) think that there is any upside to "evaluating" Grossman, there is no hope in the near future for this team.

Posted by: mjc12 | December 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Theres a big difference in evaluating someone during practice and during an actual game day situation. Grossman gets his third real game in order to elevate his status as a starting QB in this league. I hope he plays well so that the Skins will draft at other positions.

McNabb and Grossman are like two track stars where one guy excells at the 100 yard dash and the other guy is above average when running the hurdles. When the other guy is asked to fill in at the hurdles you don't see him fitting in nicely (cohesive, fluidness, etc. etc.)even though he might finish the race. It is apparant McNabb and this style of offense do not mesh. McNabb has to go to a offensive system that will work with and enhance his skill set because its not going to happen with the Shanahans.

I think the front office is doing good considering the fantasy wanna-bees that were here last year. We as fans should give the current regime a little latitude in order to complete their plan...hey right now we are 2 games better than last year so that should be an improvement.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | December 30, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Baby Shanny:
Grossman's done GOOD so far?
But you don't talk so WELL.
Did you go to college?
Well, kinda ....

GatorNation

Posted by: hmaulden | December 30, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Baby Shanny:
Grossman's done GOOD so far?
But you don't talk so WELL.
Did you go to college?
Well, kinda ....

GatorNation

Posted by: hmaulden | December 30, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Haunches is mostly spot-on, other than the fact that Rex has a body of work before his brief stint in Houston for Skins' coaches to evaluate. Do Mike and Kyle think that Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo didn't give Rex a fair shake in Chicago? After leading the Bears to the Super Bowl, he lost his job after 3 games into 2007 - with a 45.2 passer rating. He lost his job to Griese. Kyle Orton (who has only thrown for almost 4000 yards in each of the last 2 seasons and during those seasons has a QB rating in the high 80's - talk about consistency) eventually supplants both of them and the rest is history.

The fact that Rex got a head start in an offensive system that suits his skill set (versus McNabb's), is the only reason McNabb is not finishing out the season. I doubt that an outstanding showing by Rex this Sunday will do anything more than get him a 1-year contract to return and compete for a starting position with the Skins next year.

But that leads to the same conclusion that Haunches made: the Shanahans need to get out of the football personnel business and stick with coaching. Oh, that will never be, will it? Well then, guess we're beholden to "My Way" Mike...we can only hope that his way leads to at least one SB victory.

Posted by: DCOG | December 30, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

if shanahan has any football smarts he would relinquish personnel control to bruce allen, and finally admit trying to do both is a fools errand. think back when we had another coach with both titles named shottenheimer who really did a good job handling an awful salary cap problem plus went 8 and 8 and lost his job because danny couldn"t deal with one person having so much power, buy he turns around and gives another coach the same deal. wise up danny before you lose a loyal fan base. in case shanny reads this please put your ego aside and tell bruce that all you want in 2011 is to be the head coach and 5 more draft choices and then sit back and let him do his thing

Posted by: wheelerd | December 30, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Nothing personal against Rex, but I think he gets a boost from being pals with Kyle (road room mates apparently). They're about the same age so it's natural they would be friends. That would clearly blur the professional evaluation lines. Couple that with Kyle's Dad being the Head Coach, it's been a stacked deck for Rex since he took over the starting role. McNabb is a non-issue now since both he and Shanahan have burned their bridges. (McNabb will be successful next year on another NFL team, hopefully a less troubled team with a chance to win something.) Rex has an excellent chance to be 'the guy' for the Redskins next year given his friendship with Kyle and the fact that Kyle's Dad is reluctant to push back against his son in this matter. I hope I'm wrong because Rex will bring us mediocrity.

Posted by: bfjam | December 30, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

How much evaluation is needed? Scientists didn't do this much evaluation before they split the atom.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 30, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

evaluations are for training camp,training camp is for evaluating!i keep telling you stuck on stupid shanahan loving skins fans that these people dont have a clue,they are here to take the king suckers money!most of you will drink the kool-ade,when infact,this team is going nowhere with these guys,and they will bail-out before you can blink your eye,just watch and see,but not before they have a few mill.of the sucker kings money in the bank.just remember that I,BILLYDEE,TOLD YOU SO,WAAAYY AHEAD OF TIME! JUST REMEMBER.in the mean time,keep those butt pads handy,because you all are in for another fall!

Posted by: billydee123 | December 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

evaluations are for training camp,training camp is for evaluating!i keep telling you stuck on stupid shanahan loving skins fans that these people dont have a clue,they are here to take the king suckers money!most of you will drink the kool-ade,when infact,this team is going nowhere with these guys,and they will bail-out before you can blink your eye,just watch and see,but not before they have a few mill.of the sucker kings money in the bank.just remember that I,BILLYDEE,TOLD YOU SO,WAAAYY AHEAD OF TIME! JUST REMEMBER.in the mean time,keep those butt pads handy,because you all are in for another fall!we have a new saying:when you tell a lie,you're telling a shanahan!

Posted by: billydee123 | December 30, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Evaluate is the new buzzword at Ashburn. The Shanahans have had an entire year to evaluate how well their players on the roster and practice squad fit their system. Given the Skins' dearth of draft picks, I hope that a lot of young players receive passing marks on their "report cards." Their IR list is a mile long, and the roster is filled with unfamiliar names. I wonder why Darrel Young is not on the depth chart?

Posted by: dannykurland1 | December 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Even Johnny Unitas couldn't QB the Redskins right now.

Posted by: supattapone | December 30, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm still evaluating Kyle. If he concludes that Rex is better than McNabb, and we ought to just waste those two draft picks like we always do, he's not fit to be offensive coordinator. I hear Ralph Friedgen is available!

Posted by: jburnetti | December 30, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Kyle is a negligibly competent horses patoot! He can't adapt to having a better than average QB who doesn't EXACTLY fit his scheme, he can't adapt to linemen whose skills need honing before full-bore zone blocking, he can't adapt to no running backs who can pass block (except IR CP) - I take it back he's not a horses patoot, he's what comes out of it!

Posted by: fr3dmars | December 30, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Dan "Count de Monet" Snyder, Please fire these fudwads. These clowns have been evaluating and analyzing since they got here, playing pre-season football all year. Leave these retards alone, and they'll be analyzing mosquito testicles and clingons. Please do the right thing.

Posted by: v6this | December 30, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth just said in Hog Haven that Nabb always had accuracy problems his whole career. He said Shanny's ego thought he could change his footwork, or his set up. But when the heat is on, Schlereth said Nabb reverts back to throwing the ball in the dirt. He indirectly said Nabb sucked his whole career. Nabb covered his shortcomings with his legs in Philly. He can't do that anymore...his legs are shot. Schlereth also said Shanny made horrible draft picks in Denver and followed that with horrible FA signings, which got him fired. Soooooo, we've got that to look forward to. Somebody help us.........

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 31, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"I definitely haven't developed an opinion yet,"

- Kyle "The Liar Junior" Shanatan

Which is why you dragged his sorry ass up here with you from Houston, right?

Just to see if maybe you like him.

Liar.

Just force the bum down our throats. Save the BS for when you get a job in Denver. They eat that Sh!t up there. Here, we're less inclined to buy something just because you say you're selling it.

Rex sucks. He kisses your ass. You like that. It's YOUR team, anyway, not ours. We're just stupid fans.

Thanks. Try to keep it real in the future.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 31, 2010 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Gibbs hire his son during his second stint? Yes, I think he did.

Posted by: d1232 | December 31, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

This town ain't big enough for two Shannahans. One has got to go.

Let the evaluation process begin!

Posted by: donsilvester | December 31, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

If Kyle Shanahan returns as offensive coordinator next year, this 30+ year fan will be a fan no longer. Go Steelers!

Posted by: lacy41 | December 31, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Some of you aren't getting it.

This isn't a decision on which QB you're picking to lead you back into the playoffs. This is simply about who's gonna drive a little till our Bradford is ready. Rex is that guy. He'll work hard (apparently), will fight, will keep you semi-competitive and won't drive me crazy smiling after he throws a(nother) pick.

Whispers were that the other players didn't like the McPout benching but all of a sudden they're seeing some success and having fun again with Grossman? Don't know about you but imho the whole personality of the team has changed. Interesting how that worked out.

McPout has to go. He had his chance and stunk the joint out.

Posted by: kone | December 31, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

If Kyle Shanahan returns as offensive coordinator next year, this 30+ year fan will be a fan no longer. Go Steelers!

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See ya.

Posted by: kone | December 31, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's continue to KEEP HOPE ALIVE ha ha!

Seriously, you get what you focus on and think about. Here's to the Washington Redskins leaving in this decade their 18-19 year losing skid and bringing back winning football to DC Metro in the new decade this century ... New decade starts tomorrow people!

Shanahan will not be fired and we shouldn't want him to be. For good or bad, you have to give this new regime a 3-4 yr run to let them overhaul this program. If Snyder chose wrong in Shanahan and Bruce Allen, then so be it. Can't continue making changes each and every year or even every 2 years. This is the very time that this franchise needs stability.

Happy New Year!

Posted by: gilk | December 31, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

There is no quarterback in the NFL right now that could come into the Shanahans system and fulfill their unrealistic expectations. Their system offers no flexibility and plenty of excuses. The good teams play to their QB's strengths and not force him to be a machine. With no line, no receivers and no vision, the QB situation is not about talent but a flawed system. McNabb is a proven veteran and last season was his third best statistically in a hall of fame career. Not sure what the die hard fan is looking at but right now McNabb has top ten talent, name ten better. I bet the same idiots who were saying that Vick should be a kick returner when he returned to the league are saying McNabb is horrible. The evaluation is almost complete thus far, the Shanahans are bad liars and even worst leaders.

Posted by: Jizel | December 31, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

There is no quarterback in the NFL right now that could come into the Shanahans system and fulfill their unrealistic expectations. Their system offers no flexibility and plenty of excuses. The good teams play to their QB's strengths and not force him to be a machine. With no line, no receivers and no vision, the QB situation is not about talent but a flawed system. McNabb is a proven veteran and last season was his third best statistically in a hall of fame career. Not sure what the die hard fan is looking at but right now McNabb has top ten talent, name ten better. I bet the same idiots who were saying that Vick should be a kick returner when he returned to the league are saying McNabb is horrible. The evaluation is almost complete thus far, the Shanahans are bad liars and even worst leaders.

Posted by: Jizel | December 31, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse
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Nice post, Jizel; I totally agree. Both Shanahans have demonstrated classless and egocentric behaviors and that they will lie in a heartbeat.

Posted by: lacy41 | December 31, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jizel.....there's a QB who put up 30 points for us in a game, which we haven't done all year. And scored 3 times on consecutive drives. His name is Grossman and he'll fill in just fine until our Bradford arrives. Nabb is horrible. How many passes have you watched bounce 5 yds in front of an open receiver from McMiss?? Have you watched any games?? Mark Schlereth said yesterday Nabb always had accuracy issues. His big advantage were his legs. Well, he can't run anymore and he's either air-balling passes or bouncing them in the dirt. Look at what Santana said....he's excited about Rex being back there right now because we get a taste of what this offense can do. Schlereth and Moss are both NFL players who know what the real story is. Pay attention....Come on, man.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 31, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

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