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Posted at 8:12 PM ET, 12/26/2010

Rex Grossman less impressive in second start, but gets the job done

By Rick Maese

One week earlier, quarterback Rex Grossman had a strong individual outing, but his team lost. On Sunday in Jacksonville, Grossman didn't have the same numbers he posted in the loss at Dallas, but he was certainly pleased to go home with a win.

"It feels great," Grossman said following his second start of the season. "It doesn't matter how you get it."

Grossman finished the game 19-of-39 passing for 182 yards. With one touchdown and one interception, he had a quarterback rating of only 60.0. Donovan McNabb, who started the first 13 games before he was benched in favor of Grossman, had only one game this season with a worse passer rating.

After the game, Coach Mike Shanahan would not discuss Grossman's performance -- "The main thing is we won the football game," he said -- and Kyle Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, said he'd like to review tape of his starting quarterback.

"I don't think we did as good as an offense -- it doesn't seem like it right now -- as we did last week," said Kyle Shanahan. "I thought he did a better job protecting the ball. [He] had that pick down in the end zone. It was a shot we were taking, had the look we wanted, just didn't come up right. Initially looking at it, I thought he did a decent job but I have to see the tape."

Sunday marked the first game that McNabb was relegated to third-string status, suiting up for the game but designated as the team's emergency No. 3 quarterback. Grossman should get a final shot to show coaches what he's capable of in next Sunday's season finale against the New York Giants. He hopes Sunday's win over the Jaguars gives the Redskins a bit of momentum.

"It feels good to have a win," Grossman said. "I'd love to finish the season 7-9 and build a little momentum going into next year."

By Rick Maese  | December 26, 2010; 8:12 PM ET
Categories:  Rex Grossman  
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Comments

First to say let's hope he's not back next year.

This guy is a huge let down just waiting to happen. Again and again.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 26, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

if Grossman is a 6-8 game place holder while a young QB is coached up, I am fine with it.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 26, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"It doesn't matter how you get it."

...unless it does matter, and the way you "get it" doesn't quite match the way the Shanahans want you to get it. In which case you should take a seat.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

No surprises here. The hallmark of this Dude's career is inconsistency.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 26, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"Grossman finished the game 19-of-39 passing for 182 yards. With one touchdown and one interception, he had a quarterback rating of only 60.0. Donovan McNabb, who started the first 13 games before he was benched in favor of Grossman, had only one game this season with a worse passer rating."

1. We won
2. Cooley had 4 drops and Rex was only sacked once and had a handful of throw aways
3. That wasn't an INT. Not even close.
4. We converted yet again in the red zone which is something McNabb didn't do ALL season.
5. F McNabb...move on.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

We could do a lot worse than Grossman. If we draft a young QB, it's going to take some time. Grossman in 2 weeks has led 6 TD drives. McNabb in 13 games had 22 td drives. Grossman isn't the long term answer, but short term, we could do a lot worse.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman less impressive in second start, but gets the job done


It'll be worse after the Gaints' game: Rex sux.

And the Shanahans need to disabuse themselves of the notion that Rex is somehow 'better' just because he understands the offense.

They should do the team a favor and start Beck.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I am okay with the idea of giving Beck the last start to see what he has.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 26, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

19/39! If you are throwing bombs, OK. Picking up yards in chunks, I can deal with that. Less than 50% on dink and dunk. No thanks.

Posted by: edavis291 | December 26, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

They should do the team a favor and start Beck.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 8:58 PM

I'd like to see Beck just to see what he can do.

I don't know if he is an answer or not, but he is intriguing. We know what Grossman is - a QB who will have some great games and a bunch of disastrous ones. He has a weak arm, can be prone to turn-overs and is not particularly fleet of foot.

If anything, he is a stop gap.

I don't think McNabb is even part of the conversation anymore, except for what trade value he may have.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

WTF were they doing winning the game? That's a draft pick loss if I ever saw one, and after the Cards beat the CowPies to catch up to us, I thought were a team headed in the right direction.

Posted by: daggar | December 26, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I doubt we'd start Beck with the Giants still having playoff hopes...

Next week is the big week- McNabb's numbers vs the Giants were decent 26/44 296 yds 1 td 2 int- but only a 68 rating. And they lost 31-7. Giants could be in a win and they're in situation so they'll be going full out.

And, of course what's happened now- with the win today, we would be in position to draft at best #12. Today's win cost us about 7-8 draft spots potentially. A win next week, and it's another 3-4 at least...

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I doubt we'd start Beck with the Giants still having playoff hopes...

Next week is the big week- McNabb's numbers vs the Giants were decent 26/44 296 yds 1 td 2 int- but only a 68 rating. And they lost 31-7. Giants could be in a win and they're in situation so they'll be going full out.

And, of course what's happened now- with the win today, we would be in position to draft at best #12. Today's win cost us about 7-8 draft spots potentially. A win next week, and it's another 3-4 at least...

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Grossman regressed. Jax had time to game plan for him whereas Dallas didn't know he was starting until Friday. I will reserve my final judgement of him until after the Giants game, but I think the switch to Rex will be Shanahan's biggest blunder of the year. Just when the O line is starting to look halfway decent, McNabb gets yanked. I think it would have been better to see if McNabb could have improved the last few games instead of blowing his trade value.

Posted by: 1302lt1 | December 26, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Beck will be THIRTY next YR and if you're evaluating him then you doing so to see if he can be a 3rd stringer.

Your 3rd stringer should be a developmental under 24 QB.

The future QB for late 2011 and 2012 isn't on this team..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate to be rude, but I really don't care about draft position.

We won.

And that's all that's important.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The thing that we don't know now- is today considered a bad game by Rex Grossman's standards? Because if it is- that's still pretty darn servicable. His numbers look pedestrian- 19/39 182 yds 1 td 1 int. But keep in mind- 4 drops by Cooley and the int was bogus. He didn't make the huge mistake today.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it would have been better to see if McNabb could have improved the last few games instead of blowing his trade value.

Posted by: 1302lt1 | December 26, 2010 9:09 PM

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See Campbell, Jason.

The Redskins have mastered the art of buy high, sell low.

With the win, it's now pretty much Grossman's job to lose --just give him some time, and he will...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Grossman regressed. Jax had time to game plan for him whereas Dallas didn't know he was starting until Friday. I will reserve my final judgement of him until after the Giants game, but I think the switch to Rex will be Shanahan's biggest blunder of the year. Just when the O line is starting to look halfway decent, McNabb gets yanked. I think it would have been better to see if McNabb could have improved the last few games instead of blowing his trade value.

Posted by: 1302lt1 | December 26, 2010 9:09 PM

His biggest blunder was trading for McNabb and would have been surpassed by continuing to play him. Trade value??? If the 2nd best offer last YR was a 4th by the Raiders then what do think his trade value would be after he's thrown up all over himself this season. By benching him they have preserved what little value he had.

Your biggest blunder was this post

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The thing that we don't know now- is today considered a bad game by Rex Grossman's standards? Because if it is- that's still pretty darn servicable.


'servicable'...?

So that's the standard we want in a quarterback?

I mean, I thought the idea was that you want a quarterback who can 'take' victory away, not protect week in and week out 17-14 close games that might not be won or lost by a kicker in the final moments.

We had a guy like that: his name was Jason Campbell.

And Rex Grossman is a poor man's version of him.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Beck will be THIRTY next YR and if you're evaluating him then you doing so to see if he can be a 3rd stringer.

Your 3rd stringer should be a developmental under 24 QB.

The future QB for late 2011 and 2012 isn't on this team..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:12 PM

Trent Greene blossomed late...

Or maybe Beck's a really good back-up. Who knows until we play him a little? I doubt Shanny will do it, though, so it probably doesn't matter...

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If McNabb could have finished strong, and it's not impossible to conceive that he might have... provided:

A. He had the opportunity
B. He had the support of the FO

Then, yes.

Whatever trade value he had, would have been higher. As it now stands, his trade value is certainly diminished, unless of course you actually believe Shanahan, and envision a scenario where McNabb returns as a Redskin next year.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

You F'ing noodniks with this talk of draft pick position.

If you can properly evaluate players then picking at 13 versus 7 means dick.

1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE

The only pick in this draft that matters is the 1st and that is where Luck will be taken. The rest like any draft are a crap shoot.

Shanahan loses and he's critized, he wins and it's more of the same.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

BTW: go see "The Fighter".

It's a great film.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

But really, we will end up just giving the guy away for free, after the official start of the 2011 campaign.

Give him his 3,5 million and send him packing.

F McNabb and F those draft picks we gave up to get him all heck be damned.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason Shannahan was brilliant in doing the move to Grossman- he's put everyone on notice that they are competing for their jobs no matter who they are. It's about time the fat cats get put on notice out there that they could lose their jobs if they don't perform. McNabb by any measure didn't perform, so he goes to the bench.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

how about mcnabb to carolina for clausen - he could help them with luck. not sure if clausen is going to turn out or not but this year in carolina wasn't a good barometer to measure by

Posted by: rbskin | December 26, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Amazing....can;t believe that people actually root for their team to lose for
a draft pick. I went to my first skins game
in 1965 and I have never rooted for my boys to lose....If Shan wants a qb he'l probably have to trade up no matter what... We can alway throw in hainsworth and Mcnabb as trade bait or maybe a moonpie and an RC cola instead

Posted by: myrtle_beach_fan | December 26, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

how about mcnabb to carolina for clausen - he could help them with luck. not sure if clausen is going to turn out or not but this year in carolina wasn't a good barometer to measure by

Posted by: rbskin | December 26, 2010 9:42 PM

Luck starts from day 1. At this point in McNabb's career he's more a bridge to another QB. Maybe Arizona after they draft Newton.

I'd rather have a 4th or 5th than Clausen anyway.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Rexx Grossman Sux BZALLLLZ!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 26, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Rexx Grossman Sux BZALLLLZ!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 26, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I know you did not say to trade for Clausen... dude is not even a third string NFL talent.

Don't make Diesel break out the pics of bird head.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if he is an answer or not, but he is intriguing. We know what Grossman is - a QB who will have some great games and a bunch of disastrous ones. He has a weak arm, can be prone to turn-overs and is not particularly fleet of foot.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 9:06 PM

To say Rex has a weak arm is not accurate. Perhaps you are not used to seeing a QB throw with touch.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 26, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

As someone else mentioned, Rex had several drops by Cooley. The interception was not an interception as the defender was out of bounds. Rex basically ran a conservative offensive gameplan, and did not improvise as McNabb would have. Not an impressive outing, but an impressive outing was not expected or in the gameplan.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

To say Rex has a weak arm is not accurate. Perhaps you are not used to seeing a QB throw with touch.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 26, 2010 9:59 PM

My daughter can throw harder than Rex (of course she is 23). Dude floats every pass cuz he cannot throw a hardball. Not non INT would have been a TD if he could put any heat on his throws.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Whatever trade value he had, would have been higher. As it now stands, his trade value is certainly diminished, unless of course you actually believe Shanahan, and envision a scenario where McNabb returns as a Redskin next year.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 9:27 PM

Don't be rediculous. McNabb has zero trade value, especially with that contract.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 26, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I know you did not say to trade for Clausen... dude is not even a third string NFL talent.

Don't make Diesel break out the pics of bird head.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 9:57 PM

That's funny, everytime his name is mentioned that's exactly how I picture him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

People keep talking about how Grossman is a disaster in waiting. Umm, how bad was McNabb a disaster this season? How much does Philly miss McNabb?

All I know is that Grossman had a solid pass for a TD and engineering a long drive that resulted in a Torian TD.

We're lucky it wasn't a blowout because our CB's couldn't cover anyone in the 1st half. D.Hall is a total bust.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

No, he has touch, but he definitely has a very weak arm.

Everybody but you knows this. Including all NFL defenses. No bombs to worry about, no deep outs to worry about.

His arm is a noodle. His brain is right there with it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 26, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Rex was still better than McNabb. The stats don't bear it out well, but Rex played decent today (awful refs notwithstanding). Nobody considers him the QB of the future, but right now, he's the best we have. Sad, but true.

Posted by: psps23 | December 26, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

f draft position...win games... a winning record sounds better than 6-10 or 7-9... anyway the record is better than last years!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 26, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88 has just issued a very bold statement.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 26, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

After the game, Coach Mike Shanahan would not discuss Grossman's performance -- "The main thing is we won the football game," he said --

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Right.

Shanny was chomping at the bit to pump Rex's stump last week.

Rex didn't play well against a bad pass defense. That's the bottom line.

Even if Cooley catches a couple of those drops it barely puts Rex over 50%. The offense didn't convert 3rd downs, and he threw short to receivers in a couple of those situations. He held onto the ball long and couldn't find receivers even with pretty good pass-pro.

He had a bad throw that shouldn't have been put there in the end zone on that INT.

And that intentional-grounding was god-awful.

Any QB in the league could have executed on that TD throw. It was simply a nice play call.

Bottom line: Over a 2 week span, we saw Rex Grossman act like Rex Grossman.

The team won b/c Torain found some running room in the second half and the defense had the benefit of facing Rashad Jennings instead of MJD.

Moving forward, Rex would continue to be a nice backup to have for this team in a rebuilding project and perhaps a half-season starter as we get a new guy up to speed with the offense.


Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW: go see "The Fighter".

It's a great film.

Thanks moe, will do.

Curz, that noodle arm come in handy with catchable passes in the screen and intermediate routes--and #5 was making receivers wait despite his cannon, so no dif.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 26, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

As someone else mentioned, Rex had several drops by Cooley. The interception was not an interception as the defender was out of bounds. Rex basically ran a conservative offensive gameplan, and did not improvise as McNabb would have. Not an impressive outing, but an impressive outing was not expected or in the gameplan.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:02 PM

The running game was also not working very well. They missed Jammal Brown.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 26, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

noce win, good to see the back ups play well and put a hurtin on the jags playoffs hopes

id rather win, forget draft order, if as an organization you cant draft a starting nfl player in the top 15 picks, then the organization as a whole has a lot bigger problems to worry about

i tell you what if we can end knock the giants out of the playoffs next week, hot damn ill be a happy Skins fan going into the offseason, even though the year sucked overall, it would still be a nice ending

HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | December 26, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Grossman doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL, but if it was so weak, why can't Cooley catch dem balls thrown at him?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The D got lucky today, the Jags couldn't run the ball well and Garard looked out of sync (late throws & a conservative offense). Our young guys (Bryant, Jackson and Jarmon) looked good. Barnes did a good job playing a different position.
Kyle is a great play designer but his play calling is a lil suspect. If we had players that could execute and better situational calls this O could do some good stuff.
Grossman was Grossman....

Posted by: priceisright | December 26, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing about Rex's arm is that his biggest strength in Chicago as well as coming out of Florida was that he had an absolute cannon on his arm. He was a pure gunsliger.

Not really sure what happened. Truthfully, I've been shocked the last two weeks at how weak his arm has looked. His arm was never questioned before this, only his decision-making.

Posted by: psps23 | December 26, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

It’s highly unlikely the Redskins initially would release McNabb, not when they believe he still has some trade value, albeit very little now that they've run his reputation into the turf.

Still, Washington would absolutely want to recoup as much as possible for the player whom they surrendered second- and fourth-round picks for.

What will test McNabb’s trade value is the $10 million option bonus in his contract that another team might have to pay. Yet there are any number of teams — Minnesota, Seattle, San Francisco, Carolina, Tennessee and Miami — with significant quarterback questions looming for 2011.

For these clubs, trading for McNabb, even with the option bonus, might be worth considering. Much more likely, however, that he's released outright, which would be in accordance with the desire to sign with a team of his choosing.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

RLB, Rex's play has been way better than DM5 IMO, but his lack of arm strength takes away the part of the play book that calls for bombs. And with KS wanting his QB to look deep 1st, then work his way back to dump offs, Rex is not the QB he needs.

Sure he knows the O better than DM5, but it does not change the fact that Rex makes dumb mistakes and can't throw a fast ball or deep throw.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"The running game was also not working very well. They missed Jammal Brown.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 26, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse "

I have no idea why Heyer is still on the team, and although Rabach is a solid center (WRT hiking the ball), he routinely gets steamrolled.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that at least PFT mentioned the horrible INT-call in the endzone that was "upheld" by instant reply.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/26/horrible-call-in-jacksonville/

The league needs to apologize...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Right.

Shanny was chomping at the bit to pump Rex's stump last week.

Rex didn't play well against a bad pass defense. That's the bottom line.

Even if Cooley catches a couple of those drops it barely puts Rex over 50%. The offense didn't convert 3rd downs, and he threw short to receivers in a couple of those situations. He held onto the ball long and couldn't find receivers even with pretty good pass-pro.

He had a bad throw that shouldn't have been put there in the end zone on that INT.

And that intentional-grounding was god-awful.

Any QB in the league could have executed on that TD throw. It was simply a nice play call.

Bottom line: Over a 2 week span, we saw Rex Grossman act like Rex Grossman.

The team won b/c Torain found some running room in the second half and the defense had the benefit of facing Rashad Jennings instead of MJD.

Moving forward, Rex would continue to be a nice backup to have for this team in a rebuilding project and perhaps a half-season starter as we get a new guy up to speed with the offense.


Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse "

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but the Skins focus today was to get Torain off with runs mostly on 1st and 2nd down, and passes only when necessary. Is that Grossman's fault? Keep in mind that Grossman just started the 2nd game of his career as a Skins QB, after a long hiatus since his days with the Bears. So far, Grossman is 2-0 as the starter.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

My daughter can throw harder than Rex (of course she is 23).

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Can she play Right Guard?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 10:13 PM

So my fellow Terp has done nothing but suck on lemons for the last 8 weeks and post his bitterness for us all to read.

Did Rex do anything right? After all we did win the game with more than 1/2 of our defensive starters out. And for the 2nd week we saw execution in the red zone which is another reason McNabb is on the bench.

Oh and 23 of 39 is 59% and take away the non INT and you have a QB with a rating in the 80's..

Rex is the answer to who's the bridge to the QB of the future.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Giants/Skins game time change Beeps.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins have nothing to gain by starting Rexx Grossman. It's another set back for the franchise, as was the trade and subsequent benching of McNabb. Write this down, in the long run Grossman is not the answer.

Posted by: deshackleford | December 26, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW: go see "The Fighter".

It's a great film.

Thanks moe, will do.

Curz, that noodle arm come in handy with catchable passes in the screen and intermediate routes--and #5 was making receivers wait despite his cannon, so no dif.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 26, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

His biggest blunder was trading for McNabb and would have been surpassed by continuing to play him. Trade value??? If the 2nd best offer last YR was a 4th by the Raiders then what do think his trade value would be after he's thrown up all over himself this season. By benching him they have preserved what little value he had.

Your biggest blunder was this post

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

No, I think he had his post correct. Could you please have some respect for
the opinions of others. I find it hard to blame a player who was always running for his life...it would have made sense to trade McNabb in the off season if he didn't fit. Didn't we hear that it took 3 years to learn this system??? No 13 games is enough...we could have kept Jason and blamed him all the same. At least as fans we would have said okay get him out of town and better yet we would have had 2 more draft picks. This was a wasted season, but wait Shanny got paid, McNabb & Fat Albert got trashed, Danny & the fans got the shaft. Hail to the Redskins...we will be back...in 3-5 years.

Posted by: bengal224ord | December 26, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Enough of Grossman. The guy is an adequate backup. Show us Beck. Draft a QB in the draft, bring back McNabb and see what is what in training camp and preseason. Start whoever is the best.

Posted by: neil64 | December 26, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win.A what if-from a fan-me.

Some folks in here scoff at the thought that the skins could have been a playoff team this year but as it is playing out with the Giants stumble-they could have.

Houston-Tampa-GIFT Giveaways-PLUS you pick any one of the others Indy-Minn-even Dallas etc-all winnable-and they would be--9-6.

As Fletcher stated,it is not their reality-but imagine next week--the SKINS/GIANTS(a meaningful game) for the final wild card as
they would have the tiebreaker over the Pack.

Oh well we can dream.There is always next year AGAIN.

Posted by: GEARAUTO1 | December 26, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I love how folks are making McNabb out to be some saint or something. He led 22 TD drives in 13 games folks. 22/13- not even 2 per game. Rex has led 6 TD drives in 2 games- that's 3 per game. I'd have no problem seeing the Skins start Grossman next year with a young QB developing behind him. It's better than McNabb and his bounce passes out to the wing. McNabb deserved to be benched sooner- but Shannahan waited until the Skins were out before he made the move.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

His biggest blunder was trading for McNabb and would have been surpassed by continuing to play him. Trade value??? If the 2nd best offer last YR was a 4th by the Raiders then what do think his trade value would be after he's thrown up all over himself this season. By benching him they have preserved what little value he had.

Your biggest blunder was this post

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

No, I think he had his post correct. Could you please have some respect for
the opinions of others. I find it hard to blame a player who was always running for his life...it would have made sense to trade McNabb in the off season if he didn't fit. Didn't we hear that it took 3 years to learn this system??? No 13 games is enough...we could have kept Jason and blamed him all the same. At least as fans we would have said, okay get him out of town and better yet, we would have still had our 2 draft picks. Shanny's mistakes were big this year, I sure hope he gets better. This was a wasted season, but wait Shanny got paid, McNabb & Fat Albert got trashed, Danny & the fans got the shaft. Hail to the Redskins...we will be back...in 3-5 years.

Posted by: bengal224ord | December 26, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

50 points in 2 games - can't argue with that kind of offensive production. Rex has proven he's the man to run Shanny's offense next year.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 26, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Great win today, as I always want the Skins to win. I would like to see more of the younger running backs ala Davis. Rex didn't look good today, but it's all about the team and we found a way to win. Maybe we could see Beck next week, but that would not be fair for the young guy. Since we are more that 12-15 players away IMO we should have a player yard sell and start over.

Posted by: bengal224ord | December 26, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Grossman would make "our" season if we beat the Giants and they get eliminated from the playoffs. Too many arrogant Giants fans.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

You know things may be going good for you when Carlos gets an INT.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The thing we have now quite frankly- look at the fa quarterbacks around... Ignoring Vick as he'll be franchised at worst...
Tavaris Jackson, Min
Matt Hasselback, Sea

QB's available via trade:
Kyle Orton, Den

Other than maybe Orton, do any of these excite you? And the cost of getting Orton would be way too high...

now move on to the draft...
Andrew Luck, Stanford #1
Ryan Mallet, Arkansas #7
Cam Newton, Auburn #8
Jake Locker, Washington #23

The only QB we may be able to draft is Locker, a guy who has seen his stock go down a lot this year.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

This is a stretch and probably not a good option, but for sure, Vince Young is probably going to be available for a trade this offseason.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

*beeps*

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Next year our schedule is going to be interesting...

home:
Dal, NYG, Phi, SF, Az, NE, NYJ
away:
Dal, NYG, Phi, Sea, Stl, Buf, Mia

games 15/16 depend on finishes.. either 3rd or 4th place team from:
home NFC North, Away NFC South
so either Det/Min home
3rd- NO or Tampa
4th- Carolina

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

This is a stretch and probably not a good option, but for sure, Vince Young is probably going to be available for a trade this offseason.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me that Fisher loses that power struggle and is the one heading out of town....

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"Something tells me that Fisher loses that power struggle and is the one heading out of town....

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse "

If they're getting rid of Fisher, they might as well get rid of Young too, who has mental issues.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 26, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Bud Adams loves Young so I don't see them parting ways...

And, anyways- I don't think I want the Skins to take a chance on a questionable player from Tennessee. I kind of remember the last one we did- and it hasn't worked out all that well- rhight AH92?

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Happy they won, but why the double standard for Grossman? They want to give the benefit of the doubt to a career journeyman QB with less than 7000 career yards, but they benched the 6-time Pro Bowl QB with 35000+ career yards. Why do they need to justify the change by obvious means? It was a coach's decision, so move on. McNabb will play next year and with healthier legs and will do well. Grossman will be Grossman - perennial INT to TD ratio on the high end, but he knows the 'system' and is the OC coach's pal. Seems like sound pro football management to me.

Posted by: bfjam | December 26, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Why was McNabb benched? Are you kidding me? His offense in his last 4 games scored 55 points(Grossman in his last 6 quarters plus today's short OT- 47 points). In 12 of his 13 starts- not counting the Philadelphia debacle game that he got 28 against soft defense- the team scored 260 points. 3 TD came directly off of returnds- so his offense was responsible for 239 points. That's not even 20 points per game. 6 of his 13 starts- the offense had either 1 or 0 offensive td's.

I'm sorry- but I think McNabb DID get the benefit of the doubt. He should have been yanked out sooner quite frankly. Maybe we would have gotten those 2-3 other wins, and made next week for a playoff spot for us.

Posted by: stever37 | December 26, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Stever37 I don't get your point. You exclude the 28 points in the Eagles game, but include Rex's game against the Cowboys when the team didn't even get to game plan for him and the Cowboys have one of the worst defenses in the league. Not to mention the Cowboys were also in a soft defense mode.

The fact of the matter is Grossman would have probably struggled just as much if not worse if he played the entire season. And how about you actually judge each game individually instead of compiling stats for a team that overalI has been inconsistent? I see people making excuses for Grossman about Cooleys drops and the supposed interception which WAS in fact an interception, but what about all the drops for McNabb this season? What about the time when Armstrong tripped over his feet when he should have ha a TD, or when he dropped a fade pass in the endzone? What about the running game which was missing for most of the season? The defense led by Haslett that put the offense in tough positions? What about that? I mean our offense has been really flawed, but do some of you hate McNabb that much that you're unwilling to be objective?

Posted by: smooth700 | December 27, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If they can get a good quality QB and protect him..I am ok with letting dumbass turnover machine Rexy run the show while we get our stuff together and manage house...draft #1 QB, #2 OL, #3 NT and #4 Ol and whatever you can add in FAgency and live with the results...we need continuity MR SNYDER

Posted by: scottmando | December 27, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

^21^

Last week we LOST, and the 1st thing Shanahan wants to talk about is REX and his game. The tempo, the red zone scores, blah blah blah.

This week we WON, and he doesn't want to talk about his hand picked QB anymore. 19-39 coach, red zone INT coach, can't move to save his life coach, should I go on......

GTFOH with that Rex Grossman shyt.

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | December 27, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Rex is horrible, Mcnabb is a hall of famer, who was going to break the redskins single season yardage record. People talk about the drops for rex, mcnabb has had drops all year. We should have kept Mcnabb and brought in some new receivers, and offensive lineman. To date our line stinks and our receivers are fair. Shanahan has proven the game has past him by!!
Fire Shanahan now!!!! others next year will be the same!! Fire Shanahan!!!

Posted by: wohwinner | December 27, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Hay Grosssman didn't lose the game ,lots of drops too,Just blame those who drop too.No compairison to slower MCNABB who humiliated the Redskins.Coaching second stringers and practice squad players in this game a great Shanahan and other coaches job. Try it, you who comment. Give credit for a change. Jags a winning team , still in the hunt.Jason Reid, could you have done better?Heck no,just a writer,against ,not for.

Posted by: dcg326 | December 27, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The true test will be this week against the Giants. If Grossman does OK in that game then we will have our QB for next year. Who knows maybe this is the offensive system that truely fits Rex and might hopefully get him over the hump.

I think everybody was tired of seeing McNabb skip bouncing his passes to open receivers. If Rex can put together a decent game maybe the football gods will be a little more kinder. Like someone said in an earlier post ...what about Trent Green..he turned out OK later in his career.

Clausen was rated as the #2 QB coming out of last year's draft. Who on this post would have given up a #4 pick for Clausen? I think Carolina will draft A. Luck. If Shanahan wasn't interested in Clausen in April then he won't be interested in 2011 should the Panthers offer Clausen of draft picks.

Just my take on things. DM had 13 games to show us what he could do in this system and we should give Grossman at least 3 games to see what he has.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | December 27, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The true test will be this week against the Giants. If Grossman does OK in that game then we will have our QB for next year. Who knows maybe this is the offensive system that truely fits Rex and might hopefully get him over the hump.

I think everybody was tired of seeing McNabb skip bouncing his passes to open receivers. If Rex can put together a decent game maybe the football gods will be a little more kinder. Like someone said in an earlier post ...what about Trent Green..he turned out OK later in his career.

Clausen was rated as the #2 QB coming out of last year's draft. Who on this post would have given up a #4 pick for Clausen? I think Carolina will draft A. Luck. If Shanahan wasn't interested in Clausen in April then he won't be interested in 2011 should the Panthers offer Clausen for draft picks.

Just my take on things. DM had 13 games to show us what he could do in this system and we should give Grossman at least 3 games to see what he has.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | December 27, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Why would Andy Reid trade a future haal of fame quarterback within the division? Because he knows McNabb's skills as a franchise QB have deminished to the point to where McNabb was the #3 QB on the Eagle's depth chart and he does not fear facing McNabb twice a year. Andy Reid deserves to be selected as Coach of the year and to get two draft picks for McNabb is truly amazing.

We need to move on and support who we have under center right now. The offense never looked any better than it did agains't Dallas second half, hopefully we will see that again befor the season ends.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | December 27, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Stats this year so far:
McNabb 275/472 3377 yds 14 td 15 int 77.1 rating
Grossman 48/89 548 yds 5 td 3 int 77.4 rating

While McNabb has more yds per attempt, Grossman has a much better td/int ratio.

I'd say watching thru 2 weeks, Grossman does have a better grasp of the offense.

btw- McNabb's rating of 77.1 is the worst in his career since his previous worst 60.1 his rookie season. Only 2 other times has it been lower than 84.

And to say McNabb is a Hall of Famer- I don't know about that. I think it's going to take him a long time to get into the hall of fame quite frankly. Football-refrence.com has a list of guys that careers are like..

For McNabb:
Mark Brunell
Steve McNair
Terry Bradshaw
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
Boomer Esiason
Roger Staubach
Drew Bledsoe
Ken Stabler
Bob Greise

Of those 10- 5 are in the HOF. But they are in the HOF because of their Super Bowls. I see McNabb as being similar to guys like Brunell, McNair, Esaison, Bledsoe, and Stabler. Very good players- but not great players.

Posted by: stever37 | December 27, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Trying to compare Grossman's two games to Donavan's thirteen is a joke as is Grossman. Grossman wouldn't have survived several of the games by the offensive line that Donovan had to endure. If he had played in them we certainly would not be having this discussion. Dallas has a terrible secondary and Jacksonvilles defense is not that great either. Grossman has a weak arm, can't get out of his own way, and is a slow decision maker. I hope to see Beck the second half of the Giants game after Grossman show his true worth. If Shanahan had just said he was benching McNabb because he wanted to evaluate his backups and kept all the Drama to a minimum McNabb would still have some value. I see his contract as a positive when trading him. Not excessive numbers for a multi probowler and easy for a team to experiment without a long term commitment.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | December 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Grossman couldn't have done much worse.
a lot of the McNabb numbers this year are because of 1 game- the Houston game. If you take that one game out of the equation- his qb rating is 73.4. Only had 2 other games above 80 all year long.

McNabb for the season total is #26 in the NFL qb ratings. The only guys below him:
Chad Henne
Mark Sanchez
Matt Hasselbeck
Brett Favre
Derek Anderson
Jimmy Clausen

McNabb is just not the answer.. Grossman isn't the answer either- but he also doesn't have a 10 million dollar price tag on him either. So get a draft pick for McNabb and then hope that some QB falls to them in the draft.

Posted by: stever37 | December 27, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

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