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Rex Grossman looking forward to his return to Chicago

Rex Grossman, the Washington Redskins backup quarterback selected by the Chicago Bears in the first round of the 2003 draft, is looking forward to his return to Soldier Field for Sunday's game against the Bears.

"There's a few guys that I got drafted with that are still there that I talk to; a couple of guys on the coaching staff," Grossman, who played six seasons for that franchise, said Monday at Redskins Park. "I spent six years there and felt like that was home for a long time. It's gonna be good to see everybody."

In 2006, his only full season as an NFL starter, Grossman had a career year while leading the Bears to Super Bowl XLI. He started all 16 games and completed 54.6 percent of his passes for 3,193 yards, with 23 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. He had a 73.9 passer rating.

"That was my only full season there," Grossman said. "I had a couple of injuries before that season, and then didn't play much after that season. That was an unbelievable year. We had a lot of good things happen. And to be able to experience that with a bunch of teammates, the coaching staff, and even the city, really, it was a special thing. ... It was probably the best year of my life."

After losing to Indianapolis, Washington needs a victory, Grossman said.

"We need to get to 4-3," said Grossman, who is in his first season with Washington after playing for Houston last season. "We're in a tight division race. It's kind of a crucial point in the season, where people start to separate themselves as a team. This is a big game for us. I'm sure Chicago is thinking the same thing."

Grossman does not envision a warm reception from Bears fans at Soldier Field. "I would expect them to probably boo," he said. "If I don't play, I'm sure I'll hear a little heckling on the sidelines.

"I loved it there. I had a good time. I had a lot great memories. It'll be interesting to go back to play there."

By Jason Reid  | October 19, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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Playing catch up...Some thoughts looking back.
Man that was the loudest crowd I have heard from FedEx in a long time. Go skins fans.
And then there’s those *&^%$^#…Still a lot of blue jerseys in the stands. Come on folks???? Give up the seats if you’re not going to go to the game.
Pat Fisher has to be cringing everytime RD37 goes on the field. (turning head from side to side)
KM41…What??? How??? (again turning my head from side to side) What else can you say?
CR22…It is what it is.

Posted by: fat_back | October 19, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

good post, but are you talking about the FS position that KMoore plays or KMoore himself when you state "one of the few guys who can make an impact play" ? I believe that he's in over his head in the NFL, if his play after the injury is used as a barometer. Dude is stuggling to put it mildly.

I'm thinking we need d-linemen with their hands in the dirt, whether it's 3 or 4 down lineman. This ameoba defense gives up to many rushing yards.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 6:39 AM


How do you figure KMoore is "in over his head"? Dude has a couple fumble recoveries and a pick...always seems to be around the ball. He's the hero of the Colts game if he gets that pick because it's getting returned to the red zone, if not the house altogether. For a 3rd year player in his first year as a full-time starter, he's doing pretty well, IMO.

And stop with the "D-lineman with their hand in the dirt" stuff...the 3-4 is in and we gotta live with it. You don't change your defense in mid-season. They can call more plays that involve 4 down-lineman (which they've done the last few weeks), but right now the D is what it is. If every defense that got lit up by Peyton Manning changed their scheme in the aftermath of a loss, defensive football in the NFL would be a total mess. We got schooled by the best QB in football. It could've been better, but it also could've been MUCH worse.

And what's with the Grossman post? If that guy sees the field it's because McNabb is hurt or we're blowing them out and he gets some run in garbage time. Neither scenario is likely so I don't get why we're even entertaining this...

Hell, Philip Daniels played there too. Make the post about him...at least he'll see the field on Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking we need d-linemen with their hands in the dirt, whether it's 3 or 4 down lineman. This ameoba defense gives up to many rushing yards.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 6:39 AM

The defense was good enough. It kept the Redskins in the game until the final play. What more can you ask of a defense facing Peyton Manning?

The problem wasn't with the defense but with the DBs who didn't get the job done. And with the offense which couldn't put enough points on the board. Rodgers and Moore make those INTs and the Redskins walk all over Indy. Make the FG and you're in overtime. If McNabb throws short for the first down instead of the bomb, you've got a game-winning drive going.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 6:59 AM |

ok, it's not a good morning brown, jeez.

if you watched the same game I did brown, KMoore looked like a chicken with his head cut off. dude certainly can't tackle or cover. if it had been one game, fine, but dude hasn't been very impressive

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Well said, beep...I know it's a lot of woulda coulda shoulda, but this team was a couple of plays from winning this game. Last year, that's a blowout. In 2010, it's a tightly contested gut check.

As much as the D will take one on the chin for the loss, they did just as much to keep us in the game. Every time Manning made a move to put the game away, the D forced a turnover. Not lucked into a turnover...FORCED a turnover. Bottom line, if you give up 27 points to the Colts you didn't do a bad job. Many better defenses have given up much more to that team so I don't lay this loss on the defense's doorstep per se.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

if you watched the same game I did brown, KMoore looked like a chicken with his head cut off. dude certainly can't tackle or cover. if it had been one game, fine, but dude hasn't been very impressive


Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:19 AM


I hate to break it to ya, but much better safeties than Moore have been made to look bad against Manning.

We played the Colts and Peyton Manning. We played a well-oiled machine, widely considered the best in the business and I tend to agree. So to me, there's no shame in a first year starter looking bad against that guy. If he's getting schooled by Eli Manning, THEN we have a problem.

As I said, the defense did as much to keep us in the game as they did to lose us the game. The two basically negate each other, IMO. This game could've easily gotten out of hand and it didn't. For all the bashing the D takes up here, it has yet to give up more than 30 points in a game. Not exactly "tear it up and start over" material if you ask me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse


And stop with the "D-lineman with their hand in the dirt" stuff...the 3-4 is in and we gotta live with it. You don't change your defense in mid-season.

to have defensive players standing at the line of scrimmage every once in a while is fine, but for the most part we stood and never got set at the line of scrimmage. if you think this fools manning, well think again. you lose leverage and you're a standing target, much easier to block. we need down d-linemen on most plays, whether it's a 3-4 or 4-3. ameobe smeoba

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

to have defensive players standing at the line of scrimmage every once in a while is fine, but for the most part we stood and never got set at the line of scrimmage. if you think this fools manning, well think again. you lose leverage and you're a standing target, much easier to block. we need down d-linemen on most plays, whether it's a 3-4 or 4-3. ameobe smeoba

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:27 AM


I feel you on that...but Manning's gonna pick you apart either way. We just don't have the horses on defense to compete with a team like that. Again...I'm grading them harder if this is Week 6 in Year 2. But this isn't even halfway thru the first year of this regime and just hanging with a team like the Colts is a good thing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I guess this qualifies as a fairly typical 2010 Redskins game -- meaning they played well enough to win and poorly enough to lose. As one pundit said, they could easily be 0-5 or 4-1. The schedule hasn't helped, with only St Louis qualifying as a predictable victory, and that's the game they managed to lose convincingly.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse


I hate to break it to ya, but much better safeties than Moore have been made to look bad against Manning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:27 AM |

you're not breaking anything to me I don't already know brown. KMoore wasn't covering manning and he wasn't tackling manning. he's missed several tackles since his return from injury, that's right several, and he's missing assignments in coverage. spinning it to look like it's all about playing against manning won't work here


Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 6:59 AM |

ok, it's not a good morning brown, jeez.

if you watched the same game I did brown, KMoore looked like a chicken with his head cut off. dude certainly can't tackle or cover. if it had been one game, fine, but dude hasn't been very impressive

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:19 AM
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I think Moore is in position to make plays. I think he's playing the defense called and sometimes that means he's the only deep safety with repsonsibility from sideline to sideline. Moore might have work to do with tackling, and for gosh sakes, holding on to the ball, but I think he's a good player who needs some more playing time to get better. The coaches will continue to work on his tackling. This isn't the bone-headed Zorn regime where they say they don't do tackling drills during the regular season. If that is what is required, Shanahan and Haslett will have their guys doing it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I guess this qualifies as a fairly typical 2010 Redskins game -- meaning they played well enough to win and poorly enough to lose. As one pundit said, they could easily be 0-5 or 4-1. The schedule hasn't helped, with only St Louis qualifying as a predictable victory, and that's the game they managed to lose convincingly.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 7:34 AM


Exactly why I predict we go into the bye week 4-4...a win over Chicago this week and a loss to the suddenly very frisky Lions the week after. Still like our chances down the stretch with a decent schedule and (what I expect to be) an improving team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Also don't forget the Skins are +5 in turnovers, tied for 4th in the NFL with Tampa, behind the Steelers, Eagles, and Falcons. That's a plus from last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

NFL vows to crack down on dangerous, illegal hits after series of head injuries

This irritates.

Back in the day, defenders were taught to 'pound' receivers to make them and the people calling plays think twice about passing so much.

Today, pass happy teams see their players take violent hits, and keep calling pass plays.

The league wants to blame defenders.

But defenders should point out that hitting is their unspoken method of controlling the game.

The league should protect players by also reminding coordinators that, hey, calling 45-55 pass plays a game (particularly crossing routes short over the middle) only increases the liklihood of one of their receivers getting clocked.

Teams should be reminded that the shift to using a short passing game in lieu of a running attack opens ballcatchers up to the same kind of hits runners used to take and expect on a day when they'd have 20-30 carries.

Only the league isn't like that anymore.

And anymore, it's hard to like league that wants its games as free of true contact.

You take away launching into a player, then using a forearm shiver, then a hit above the numbers, then hitting a guy through his legs to stop kneee injuries, all that's left is 190 pound d-backs trying to carefully tackle 210-265 pound speedy tight ends and wide receivers.

Teams will only pass more as yards after cathes will increase as defensive backs and linebackers 'hold up' more often.

You want to stop the hits?: teach tackling and support the idea that you shouldn't being throwing 50 passes a game.

Running the ball more will also cut down on the hits.

But then again, the league ain't like that anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

you're not breaking anything to me I don't already know brown. KMoore wasn't covering manning and he wasn't tackling manning. he's missed several tackles since his return from injury, that's right several, and he's missing assignments in coverage. spinning it to look like it's all about playing against manning won't work here


Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:38 AM


Agree to disagree Hess...if you wanna pick on a 3rd year player whose career starts you can count on one hand, be my guest. Just like the rest of this defense, he's a work in progress. I just don't see how you're singling out Moore when the guy who has about as many years experience as Moore has total starts (Rogers) gets a pass for dropping no less than two picks that would have changed the complexion of the game. Either way, I'm not going to sit up here and assess blame in a loss to a superior team--a game that the Skins made competitive when it easily could have turned into a blowout.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse


I feel you on that...but Manning's gonna pick you apart either way. We just don't have the horses on defense to compete with a team like that. Again...I'm grading them harder if this is Week 6 in Year 2. But this isn't even halfway thru the first year of this regime and just hanging with a team like the Colts is a good thing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:32 AM |

I think you missed my point about down d-linemen brown. my point was directed at the running game and not necessarily manning. we play down linemen, they don't get the running game going like they did against us. and yes, the dropped picks hurt us. I'm a firm believer that you win the game at the line of scrimmage, and standing around not set hurts your chances of being successful in stopping the run or pass rushing the QB.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

"This ameoba defense gives up to many rushing yards."

We redskins fans are an odd lot.

We criticized Greg Blache for a lack of creativity and bemoan Jim Haslett's penchant for it.

But in this regard, I'd say the blogga is correct.

Teams that used the 'amoeba' look have given it up and the redskins, so behind the times, have embraced it.

Haslett shouldn't realized that the colts have seen the defense before and knew that 'quick snaps' and hurry up offense kills it.

The skins should've remained in a base 3-4 after the second long drive against the 'amoeba' look, and put the best players on the field to go after the colts' offense.

I say squash the 'amoeba' and let the best 11 defenders play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Moe...football is a man's game. Participants know what they're getting into when they strap on the helmet and take the field. Trying to legislate out what makes football appealing is idiotic.

Good point, Samson. Baby steps...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm a firm believer that you win the game at the line of scrimmage, and standing around not set hurts your chances of being successful in stopping the run or pass rushing the QB.


Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 7:53 AM


That's where we agree.

Where we disagree is in that Manning is the reason we lost.

A lot of those running plays you speak of were audibles made by Manning to take advantage of what we had set up (or not set up). Their hurry up offense killed us in that game and it was where most of their damage was done on the ground.

So fixing what ailed us in that game isn't as simple as "have more guys with their hand in the dirt". I'm betting we'd have a similar set of challenges even if we went with 4 down lineman for all 4 quarters.

But again...if that's what you saw, we can agree to disagree. I just saw a superior QB and a superior offense taking advantage of an average defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse


Agree to disagree Hess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 7:52 AM |

brown, I also see the improvement on the team as a whole, and I agree to disagree when it comes to a third year player not playing well. I have faith in the coaching staff to run drills. I'm sure Zorn ran some QB slid drills with Dfense players.

Fundamental tackling from KMoore has got to improve, that's for sure.


Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

moe, yanks ran into a buzz saw last night, ain't nothing you can do about that, Lee is one of the most underrated players in the game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I have to agree with you. You can't deny that football is a violent sport. It's part of the history of the game, and when you start to water it down by penalizing players for playing the game the way it was meant to be played, you detract from the game.

What suprises me is that we never hear anything about the design of the equipment. What if the exterior of the helmet was made with a more shock absorbent material? What if the interior of the helmet was nested with air sacs instead of the hard foam and straps design? It doesn't seem to me that the league has done much to change the design of the helmets to ward off concussions. It shouldn't just be on the players. The league has a responsibility to chase down every avenue that would limit injury and the knee jerk response shouldn't alway be fining players and limiting the game in some way.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse


But again...if that's what you saw, we can agree to disagree. I just saw a superior QB and a superior offense taking advantage of an average defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:06 AM |

I agree with you brown when it comes to manning, and we had a chance to frustrate him by picking a few passes off. we didn't, and even if we did he's still good enough to beat any team out there. clearly one of the best.

you mentioned I didn't criticize CR22. what's there to say, the dude can't catch a football, but he can tackle and cover.

someone posted yesterday CR22 can't catch a football and DH23 can't cover or tackle. to bad they can't become one and rule the secondary, huh ?

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I'm shocked they've gotten as far as they have.

Yes, Cliff Lee is good.

But the untold story is that the Mariners took fairly mediocre players in trade for him, dissing the offer of quality farmhands the Yanks offered.

The rangers should win this series.

But Lee--and maybe Rich Harden--will both be Yanks next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Greg I know you had the weekend from hell...seeing the Skins lose after watching Tom Bieber--I mean, Brady flap his gums after beating the Ravens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Ok for all those saying how great last years defense was compared to this very bad defense we have this year lets see if your right.

After week 6

Points allowed
2010 119
2009 96

Records of teams played
2010 19-16
2009 11-25

Turnovers giving offense a chance to score
2010 11
2009 7

Record of team
2010 3-3
2009 2-4

Years with D-Cordinator same philosophy
2010 6 games not just new D-Cordinator but new defensive philosophy
2009 2 years same D-Cordinator 6 years same Defensive philosophy

I don't care about yards given up because you could give up 100 yards and still lose, or you could give up 500 yards and still win so yards mean nothing.

My vote is that this years defense is way better and will continue to get better as the season goes on.

We will not be able to tell for sure until the end of the year but last years team with a top 10 defense was 4-12.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

someone posted yesterday CR22 can't catch a football and DH23 can't cover or tackle. to bad they can't become one and rule the secondary, huh ?

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 8:18 AM


Now THAT'S something we can agree on...

I'm just not ready to freak out because we got beat by the best QB in the game. I'm only worried if we do the same against Chicago. If we can't tear down the guy that Shanahan himself was responsible for building up, then this team just isn't what I thought it was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Inventor of the ameoba defense = NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

ha brown, no worries, I've gotten used to pats fans...still can't stand them or brady for that matter...hope next time he goes after Suggs knees that Suggs mans up and does something other than flapping his gums....


But Lee--and maybe Rich Harden--will both be Yanks next year.

just threw up in my mouth a lil...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

monk

Inventor of the ameoba defense


You have to remember that the idea behind the look is to create confusion with the offensive linemen's line calls, and thus, effect protection.

Problem is, the colts' have seen it in games against the stillers and ravens, and so, they are immune to it.

They knwo that if you come out and quickly run a draw, you'll catch the defensive linemen out of position, and get a big gain or two.

And then, they know that hurry up offense stops the defense from substituting in guys who make various packages work.

Two/three years ago, the amoeba made sense.

Not know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

My vote is that this years defense is way better and will continue to get better as the season goes on.

We will not be able to tell for sure until the end of the year but last years team with a top 10 defense was 4-12.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 8:20 AM


Amen. You can put my down for that vote as well.

I'll take a "bend but don't break" defense that takes the ball away over a rigid defense that shuts you down for 3 quarters and gives up most of its points/yardage in the 4th. The Colts game would have been an epic rout at our expense if we had the 2009 defense out there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

KMoore definately looks lost out there at times. Not sure if it's just lack of experience or if this is as good as he's gonna get!

Dude does have a nose for the football with nice interceptions and fumble recoveries, but remember Horton did that in his rookie year and where is he at on the depth chart now?

I like Moore, but not sure if he's the STARTER yet, or just a nickle/dime safety or a backup who just comes in when injury happens. I do know this, we have to throw him out there and see what happens, just like with lots of other players this year, play them and see if they pass the 'audition' for next year.

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

KMoore definately looks lost out there at times. Not sure if it's just lack of experience or if this is as good as he's gonna get!

Dude does have a nose for the football with nice interceptions and fumble recoveries, but remember Horton did that in his rookie year and where is he at on the depth chart now?

I like Moore, but not sure if he's the STARTER yet, or just a nickle/dime safety or a backup who just comes in when injury happens. I do know this, we have to throw him out there and see what happens, just like with lots of other players this year, play them and see if they pass the 'audition' for next year.

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


Now THAT'S something we can agree on...

I'm just not ready to freak out because we got beat by the best QB in the game. I'm only worried if we do the same against Chicago. If we can't tear down the guy that Shanahan himself was responsible for building up, then this team just isn't what I thought it was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:23 AM |

ok, we get back to basics and have down d-linemen against the bears to stop the run. if we stop the run we've got the bears game in the bag. cutler holds the ball to long and is easy to sack. once this is accomplished, he'll start throwing interceptions and who knows, maybe CR22 nabs one.

CR22 comment is going to get me alot of heartache from RI, but even CR22 can get lucky

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

hess, cr ain't pickin off shti...please, can we just move on from that guy...offer him a vet minimum contract with no bonus in the offseason...show him game tape of drops starting all the way back to his rookie year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Dude does have a nose for the football with nice interceptions and fumble recoveries, but remember Horton did that in his rookie year and where is he at on the depth chart now?

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 8:36 AM


Not sure if that's a fair comparison...Horton's rookie year, he lucked into two of his 3 picks. He had one where he faked out Romo in the first Dallas game and made a great read. The game where he had two picks, both were off tipped passes that literally fell right into his lap.

You could make the case that Moore lucked his way into the fumble recoveries, but the pick was a great athletic play that I doubt anyone else on this defense would have made. Whether or not he's a viable NFL starter has yet to be determined, but this staff had to have seen something in him if they passed on getting O.J. Atogwe (who played for Haslett) free and clear a few months ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

CR22 is far and away the best corner we have right now.

For all the phenomenal hands DHall has, especially in comparison to Rogers, guess how many more INTs he has than CR22?

Zero. Hall's only INT came on a hail mary that came because his man dropped a pass that hit him in both hands to begin with.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

My vote is that this years defense is way better and will continue to get better as the season goes on.

We will not be able to tell for sure until the end of the year but last years team with a top 10 defense was 4-12.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 8:20 AM
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Flounder, I think you can convince yourself either way with whatever stats you pick and choose. The good thing I see with this defense is it is capable of creating turnovers. The bad thing is this bend-but-don't-break defense spends too much time on the field. Now, part of that is on the offense, but mostly, the defense is getting pushed up and down the field.

Clearly, Haslett doesn't have all of the players he needs to make this defense work, and the players that might fit just don't have enough experience. I am a bit surprised that they haven't auditioned a few more players, signed someone to the practice roster or traded to fill some holes. Nose tackle is still a position that could use some better quality depth. They need another coverage safety - even if it means converting a physical corner. Most of the linebackers are one dimensional, meaning dropping them into coverage is a liability.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know when the trade deadline offically ends today?

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

-It's been said a million times already, but Rogers' hands are officially a liability. Peyton Manning won't give you a heckuva lot of chances at making him look bad and he gave us plenty in the 1st quarter. Edward Scissorhands would have made the first pick and even DHall would have made the 2nd. Then it trickles down to one of the few guys who can make an impact play, Kareem Moore. I pretty much knew we lost that game when you leave that many potential impact plays on the field that early.

bw26-

The liability is Dhall's coverage and tackling. Yes he has elite hands and the ball seems to find him but he's rarely in a position to make a play. 10 out of 10 GMs/coaches would take Rodgers over Dhall.

KM dropped a gimmie and then misplayed an infield fly on the other. I like him but he needs to imporve his tackling, angles, cov, & catching at least the easy ones.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


hess, cr ain't pickin off shti...please, can we just move on from that guy...offer him a vet minimum contract with no bonus in the offseason...show him game tape of drops starting all the way back to his rookie year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:41 AM |

agree 100% greg, just joking. I must admit, I expect to hear this over and again and then some

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe I'm saying this but I guess we have to root for the Cowboys in this Monday nights game......UGH!(I think I just threw up a little in my mouth!)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 19, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

My vote is that this years defense is way better and will continue to get better as the season goes on.

I'm a little different.

I think our offense is the child that's gotta grow up.

I spent much of Sunday flipping around to multiple games as with the Sunday Ticket and a late redskin game, you can check out how a lot of teams play.

And our offense is a jekyl-n-hyde affair if there ever was one.

We can and can not run or pass and can not pass.

What's our offense's identity?

We've yet to see a complete 60 minutes, even performance out of our offense in the way you see it in NE, Ballmer, Indy, Houston, Pitts, and in other places.

(And remember: we have an 'elite' quarterback.)

My point is, we need to see that a successful offense helps the defense get better as it, the D, spends that much less time on the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

zjenks, 4pm today is the deadline...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know when the trade deadline offically ends today?

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 8:50 AM |

4:00pm eastern time

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"Two/three years ago, the amoeba made sense.

Not know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse"

The amoeba defense still makes sense, but only in isolated situations. For clear passing downs where you don't want to afford to give the QB time, it makes sense.

People need to understand that this is not a base defense for the Redskins. It was a one-game heavily used package due to the threat on every down from Peyton Manning.

Saying the amoeba defense needs to be scrapped because it makes you vulnerable to the run is like saying 8-men in the box needs to be scrapped because it makes you vulnerable to the pass.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

A couple of random observations:

1. Rex Grossman, the Washington Redskins backup quarterback selected by the Chicago Bears in the first round of the 2003 draft, is looking forward to his return to Soldier Field for Sunday's game against the Bears. Dude likes holding the clipboard on Soldier Field a whole bunch. Wowser! How about them apples!

2. AH wouldn't win no popularity contests and who knows what's what in his supposed one-up-manship battle with MS but when you look at what happened in the Colts game, how their moribund running game came to life, how close the game was, etc., you have to wonder if MS is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

3. There was no discipline last year and its a completely different story this year but how to explain all the dropped balls that could have been interceptions? A focused team doesn't do that kind of thing.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I have to agree with you. You can't deny that football is a violent sport. It's part of the history of the game, and when you start to water it down by penalizing players for playing the game the way it was meant to be played, you detract from the game.

What suprises me is that we never hear anything about the design of the equipment. What if the exterior of the helmet was made with a more shock absorbent material? What if the interior of the helmet was nested with air sacs instead of the hard foam and straps design? It doesn't seem to me that the league has done much to change the design of the helmets to ward off concussions. It shouldn't just be on the players. The league has a responsibility to chase down every avenue that would limit injury and the knee jerk response shouldn't alway be fining players and limiting the game in some way.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 8:17 AM

Disagree. The league cannot tolerate assault and that's what we saw on Sunday. If the league doesn't move to control the violence then local prosecutors will start bringing people like Brandon Meriweather into court.

All you macho types crowing about "that's how the game was meant to be played" miss the point. The game is meant to be played within the rules and there have been rules against physical assault for a long time. Now the league will start enforcing them.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have to upgrade at FS.

Moore has allowed a few long TDs by taking bad angles and missing tackles. He has trouble catching the ball even when it hits him in the chest.

The Skins need a FS who is ball hawk and a sure tackler...

Posted by: siris | October 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I understand the concept of it, but it just looks sloppy. Like that STUPID UFO Defense or whatever it was called that Cleveland ran a couple years ago. It's meant to confuse the offense, but it's the defense that looks confused. We have enough problems learning a new scheme let alone something else to try to master, I'm wondering if Haslett was the right choice or not to run this 3-4.

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Now we have the opposite of last year when JC use to throw 3 yard passes on 3rd and 10 and now McNabb throws 60 yard bombs when we need a first down. This scenario has happened a couple of times this year both to AA.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 19, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I liked the defensive scheme this week. It must have been confusing to the Colts offense, because they set 4-5 secs before the ball was snapped.

I'm sure we'll only see it against a team that primarily passes or runs the hurry-up.

We're going to have to get used to the fact that the Skins defense isn't the same every snap and so will the opposing offenses...

Posted by: siris | October 19, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"The game is meant to be played within the rules and there have been rules against physical assault for a long time."

I'm not macho, thank you, and I'm not 'crowing'.

Concussions are why I had to stop playing college football 25 years ago.

Too, it is highly slackidaisical to call poor tackling technique 'violent assault'.

If you see the hits by Harrison, Merriwehter and others, you see guys who don't 'break down,' 'square up,' and plant their shoulders into the offensive players' mid sections.

That is TACKLING 101, my friend, and the smart football observers know that faulty technique is what was behind the hits we saw Sunday.

(That and coordinators calling crossing patterns in short zones where lurking defenders have a 7 yard window to hit the receiver in.)

Calling professional athletes who don't make use of the fundamentals of a sport criminal is hyperbole at it's best.

And logic at its worst.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

There was no discipline last year and its a completely different story this year but how to explain all the dropped balls that could have been interceptions? A focused team doesn't do that kind of thing.


Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:00 AM |

There were 3 INT drops I wont even mention the two by Rogers because he can't catch focused or not.

The one by Kareem Moore got on him quick and he simply missed it that is not due to being un-focused.

Shanny is not doing anything to AH to spite him Shanny won 2 SB's AH none, AH had one great year his contract year. Shanny has played players with a worse personality then AH the difference those guys worked there butts off AH is a lazy POS.

AH is gone either today or at the end of the season so who cares about him anyway, this team is playing hard and buying in to what Shanny wants. AH is the only one who is a problem so who's to blame you figure it out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Concussions are why I had to stop playing college football 25 years ago.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 9:12 AM |

I knew they was a reason you posts are moeronic.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Dunta Robinson's hit on D Jax was a great and legal play, shoulder to chest. Merriweathers TWO hits on heap are the kind that need to be penalized and warrant suspensions.

LFB's hit will also be legal because it's against a ball carrier and not defenseless player.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Geez Franco, who pissed in your Cheerios?

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse


Calling professional athletes who don't make use of the fundamentals of a sport criminal is hyperbole at it's best.

And logic at its worst.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 9:12 AM |

I agree with moe here. not only can bad tackling technique lead to concussions, it leads to bad tackling altogether. square up and keep your head up using your shoulder and wrap up the ball carrier with your arms.

some players might lead with their shoulders, but have their heads down looking at the ground instead of who they're tackling. that might lead to some of the "physical assaults" being removed from the game.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, on the other sideline:

Todd Collins, the Chicago Bears backup quarterback released by the Washington Redskins at the end of last season, is looking forward to Sunday's game against the Redskins.

Informed sources in both locker rooms are saying that both back-up quarterbacks are looking forward to finally having the opportunity to make offensive hand signals and shout obscenities at their former teammates.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 19, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Jerome Harrison hasn't been knocking heads off all these years based only on poor tackling.

It is players who play like that the league needs to address.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Geez Franco, who pissed in your Cheerios?

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 9:21 AM |

Pisspot Pete. He dumped the whole feckin pot in.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Stupid self spelling iPhone, meant always, not also.

Cliff Lee is about to get C.C. type money. 7-0 with a sub 1.50 ERA in 8 career starts in the postseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse


god I hate BB on a FB blog.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"You want to stop the hits?: teach tackling and support the idea that you shouldn't being throwing 50 passes a game."

I think they do teach tackling, but the players prefer to spear. Why? Because they like the thought of hurting the opponent. Not necessarily injuring, but hurting. And spearing is intimidating.

Ditka's suggestion: use old-fashioned helmets that don't offer so much protection to the head-tackler. Let them get the concussions, and suddenly the spearing will stop.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:31 AM |

The problem is he is 5+ yrs older than when CC hit the market. On the other hand the Yankees are in a desperate way with Pettitte and Mo on their way to being geriatrics and CC the only reliable one there.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Redskins drop asking price for Albert Haynesworth
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 19, 2010 9:39 AM ET
Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said yesterday that there's a pretty good chance Albert Haynesworth will still be with the team after today's 4 p.m. Eastern trade deadline. But that doesn't mean Shanahan isn't open to a trade.

In fact, Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Redskins, who have consistently asked for a second-round pick in exchange for Haynesworth, could be dropping their asking price today.

The Titans, Haynesworth's former team, appear to be the most likely to make a move to bring Haynesworth back.

Haynesworth has played in three games and missed three games this season, including the last two. Although the Redskins gave Haynesworth time off to deal with the death of his brother prior to Week Five, La Canfora reports that Haynesworth is "miffed" he didn't play in Week Six.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 19, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

god I hate BB on a FB blog.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:33 AM

What's worse is an old man on a blog that everyday drags it down by acting like a petulant 12 year old girl.

I almost prefer your ridiculous $nyder comments to your tired cat fights....Scratch that, I'm sick of both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

god I hate BB on a FB blog.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Cosign!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

the yanks are also looking to fill AJ Burnetts spot, he's 4-13 in his last 22 starts.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thats the way I saw them too.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 19, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

PFT says skins lower asking price for AH to a 3rd rounder...i personally think he's worth more what do you guys think

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"...some players might lead with their shoulders, but have their heads down looking at the ground instead of who they're tackling."

If you remember, a few years ago, the league promoted the "See What You Hit" idea.

Whateva happened to that?

Perhaps the immediate remedy for all this is an automatic 20 yard 'roughness penalty' after such a hit (and yes, if it that important, use replay to determine so).

Having that happen immediately will have a greater effect than giving a player a one game suspension where he still gets a game check.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse


What's worse is an old man on a blog that everyday drags it down by acting like a petulant 12 year old girl.

I almost prefer your ridiculous $nyder comments to your tired cat fights....Scratch that, I'm sick of both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:43 AM |

nice one 44, and you are the picture of perfection. I think I've posted FOOTBALL TALK this morning on the FOOTBALL BLOG. you obviously hold a grudge with the snyder thing, but we all make mistakes and I've made several over my lifetime. you point out things that have happened well into the past. grow some thick skin.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

LFB's hit will also be legal because it's against a ball carrier and not defenseless player.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 19, 2010 9:20 AM |

Some D's perfect the art of prying the ball lose. Some perfect the art of the "sandwich" tackle - two tacklers wedging a shoulder into the body at a 180 deg angle to each other.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Disagree. The league cannot tolerate assault and that's what we saw on Sunday. If the league doesn't move to control the violence then local prosecutors will start bringing people like Brandon Meriweather into court.

All you macho types crowing about "that's how the game was meant to be played" miss the point. The game is meant to be played within the rules and there have been rules against physical assault for a long time. Now the league will start enforcing them.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse
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Assault is a legal concept that does not include contact and hits made in the course of a game. A hypothetical fight on a sideline or in the locker room could be assault, but I don't think any court would convict on any football hits that are even remotely within the reasonable context of the game.

The league is dramatically overrecting to a weekend that happened to have a number of vicious hits. Next week there might not be any. The NFL limiting a defensive player's ability to hit a player, as long as he's not leading with the head or aiming for the head, will, in fact, change the game for the worse. These players enter the NFL, and get paid a king's ransom, with full knowledge and awareness that it is violent game in which they may get seriously hurt. Stopping guys like Harrison with Pittsburgh from hitting the receiver as hard a possible will at some point fundamentally change the way defenses have to play.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 19, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

PFT says skins lower asking price for AH to a 3rd rounder...i personally think he's worth more what do you guys think

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 9:47 AM |

He is not worth more to an NFL GM and they won't get a 3rd for him, at best they will get a 4th today.

Otherwise he will be on the team for the rest of the season, and they will see what they can get in the off-season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

PFT says skins lower asking price for AH to a 3rd rounder...i personally think he's worth more what do you guys think

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Talent wise he is worth more than a 3rd. But he has little value to the Skins in the way he has been used for the 1st six games.

A 3rd is probably fair. I still doubt a deal gets done.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

i think a happy AH is worth a first rounder. seems like we could have handled it in such a way that shanny would have gotten his point across AND albert would be happy by now... not sure he worth that anymore with how we've handled him. still, wouldn't take less than a high second rounder. as far as a player exchange, who?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 19, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Im sure a lot of other people heard it but it was telling when Rodney Harison on SNF said that he only started to pay attention to the league sanctions when the harsh penalties were enforced. Harrison who has a rep as one of the dirtiest hitters in the league said that he didnt care a bit when they were fining him, even up to 50,000. But when they suspended him took him away from his team and the game that he then took it serious.

Its a complicated matter because changing tackling techniques will not happen over night, that would take decades to eliminate high hits, and helmet to helmet hits at the rate that they currently happen. Eliminating them altogether will never happen as at the end of the day this is a collision sport.

But you can start to gradually change the culture. B Merriweather gets a suspension, escalating for repeat offenses. People will begin to take notice change their techniques and eventually minor changes may become noticeable. To think that you can rid the NFL of concussions is wrong though...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 19, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

AH is gone either today or at the end of the season so who cares about him anyway, this team is playing hard and buying in to what Shanny wants. AH is the only one who is a problem so who's to blame you figure it out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 9:13 AM |

Nobody doubts that MS knows his Xs and Os. Even though he won two SBs in Denver he ended up losing his team and got a pink slip. It must have been pretty bad since when does a dude who won you two SBs get the axe? The Denver experience shows how he can be rigid and dogmatic in his personnel decisions and while he has the team now, things like the way he has handled the AH shabingus do create doubts in players' minds that build up over time. Whether or not he is headed towards another Denver denouement before any SBs are won only time will tell.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

samson151

"Why? Because they like the thought of hurting the opponent."


I beg to differ.

Tackling is at an all time low in the NFL.

Guys don't hit in practice and many of them come from college programs where learning clever plays is of greater value than fundamentals.

Too, defensive players practice stripping the ball away more than tackling.

Watch an NFL game and count the number of tacklers who break down with proper technique, and you'll see a lack of fundamentals is why the hits happen.

'Cuz none of them do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


A 3rd is probably fair. I still doubt a deal gets done.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 9:54 AM |

at this point anything we can get for AH would be a benefit, cause watching him sit the other night in the owners box is worse yet

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you lose a game check when you're suspended.

While I'm in no way condoning helmet-to-helmet hits, I'm of the opinion that you sign on for "violent" treatment when you play in the NFL. Force these players to sign waivers if you have to. The game is fast and vicious; I'd never want to take that away.

That said, helmet to helmet hits should be banned and severely punished. But so called "devastating hits" that are currently legal? You try and implement a punishment for subjective judgment on these hits and you compromise the defensive integrity of the game. What are you going to tell a player, "you can hit this man, but only so hard?"

No. You don't want to be hit like that, learn to be aware of your surroundings. You're afraid of being cleaned out over the middle, don't run routes over the middle.

Again, helmet-to-helmet hits should be illegal. But a clean, shoulder-to-chest blow should never be punished, no matter how hard a player is hit. That's the nature of the game. Nobody is holding a gun to these players' heads telling them to step on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's trade CR for Champ Bailey. Bailey and Hall combo would be awesome. Pick up Merriman and trade AC. Then we have 2 true 3-4 OLBs. Get AH plugging up the middle and that would be the most feared defense in the NFC. ( and pick up a late rounder which GA has done well with for depth)

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

at this point anything we can get for AH would be a benefit, cause watching him sit the other night in the owners box is worse yet

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Disagree. No reason the Skins should take less than what they feel is fair value.

I think a bigger mistake than not playing him would be giving him away for cheap just because he and Shanny are at odds.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


The NFL schedule-makers did their level best to get the Deadskins/Cadavers off to a good start, but alas, their efforts have been thwarted by incompetance and old age.

The Redskins had four of their first six games at home. Sadly, that means six of your final 10 games will be on the road. That's not good for an old team. The creaky joints just can't handle those road trips. LMAO!!

Conversely, my Cowboys have six home games coming up and we'll take care of business at home like we always do. Play time is over!!

As for the Colts game, y'all knew your luck was going to run out eventually. Right? That's six straight games the Cadavers have been outplayed.

Hell
To
The
Deadskins!!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

As for AH; we can get a 3rd rounder in the offseason. Might as well use him up now as much as possible, then get what we can for him in February/March.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


Again, helmet-to-helmet hits should be illegal. But a clean, shoulder-to-chest blow should never be punished, no matter how hard a player is hit. That's the nature of the game. Nobody is holding a gun to these players' heads telling them to step on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM |

well said, imagine within a few seconds you have to think about not hitting a ball carrier a certain way. I can see the helmet to helmet being enforced, but even that will happen once in a while by the speed of the game and not necessarily on purpose.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Nobody doubts that MS knows his Xs and Os. Even though he won two SBs in Denver he ended up losing his team and got a pink slip. It must have been pretty bad since when does a dude who won you two SBs get the axe? The Denver experience shows how he can be rigid and dogmatic in his personnel decisions and while he has the team now, things like the way he has handled the AH shabingus do create doubts in players' minds that build up over time. Whether or not he is headed towards another Denver denouement before any SBs are won only time will tell.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 9:57 AM |

If he lost the team in Denver why were the players pissed when he was let go, how has Denver done since then by the way. Denver now has a worse coach to deal with when it comes to players.

If the players here are so upset at the handling of AH why aren't more stepping up for him even his buddy D-Hall said he was done defending AH.

Coaches have to run the team not players look at Pittsburgh, New England, Baltimore and the Giants there coaches are way harder then Shanny I don't see them losing there teams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

psps23

I'm of the opinion that you sign on for "violent" treatment when you play in the NFL.


What kills me is that the same people who market the warrior-like mentality of football want it to be so 'touchy-feely' come game time.

Football is a violent sport.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are increasingly demonstrating characteristics not associated with the last twenty years of misery. Discipline, Hard work, Teamwork, enthusiasm. Shannahan and Allen are to be credited for this, as are the players.

McNabb is the 1st credible Quarterback threat we've had since Theisman.

I love this team. As long as they keep showing up like this ( absent the St. Louis game ) we have a shot to win every game. I like our chances to be 5-3 at the bye.

Posted by: bostskin | October 19, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I cant believe MrIrvin88 is back haha what a joke talk to me when your team is at .500 or better so for you at the earliest after thanksgiving

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

As for MrIrvin: get the hell off our blog.

Posted by: bostskin | October 19, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Football is a violent sport.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:08 AM |

remember the "QB in the grasp" rule and jack lambert's quote, "put a dress on the QB's". again, helmet to helmet equals suspention, a violent hit shouldn't. it's football man !

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Football is a violent sport.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

If that is the approach the league wants to take, it will quickly go the way of boxing.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

portispocketsStr8

"If that is the approach the league wants to take, it will quickly go the way of boxing"


Isn't MMA more popular than boxing because it's more violent and accessible to the fans?

Jus' sayin'......

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys are America's Team. Therefore, every NFL blog is rightfully ours. Every...single...one.

When will you slack-jawed mopes let that sink into your (rather) thick skulls?

-Peace

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Even though he won two SBs in Denver he ended up losing his team and got a pink slip. It must have been pretty bad since when does a dude who won you two SBs get the axe? The Denver experience shows how he can be rigid and dogmatic in his personnel decisions and while he has the team now, things like the way he has handled the AH shabingus do create doubts in players' minds that build up over time. Whether or not he is headed towards another Denver denouement before any SBs are won only time will tell. Posted by: FrancoBegbie"

The Denver situation was a strange one. An owner who had nothing but praise for Shanahan (not the usual disinformation, but the real thing) and star players who didn't even want to stay in Denver if he left (Cutler and Brandon Marshall). It came down to not making the playoffs for three seasons running, and particularly that late season collapse after being well ahead for most of the year. I thought it was a stupid move to fire Shanahan when the team was coming together -- a lot like Tampa's decision to fire Gruden. But hey, it's a free country, sort of, and rich owners can do pretty much as they like.

Shanahan left a young, talented club for his successor. Problem is the Broncs hired the able but stubborn Josh McDaniels, who was 33 at the time, and despite some early success, showed all sorts of cracks before the season was done.

Personally, I thought he handled Haynesworth very well. Here you had a guy with virtually no motivation to play up to his ability. He was demanding a trade before training camp. Shanahan managed to get him in at least a semblance of game shape and to keep the distraction from seeping over into the regular season.

Meanwhile the Skins -- a team with many deep flaws -- are playing respectable football and aren't the embarrassment they were last year. I think that's progress. But like the fans in Denver, some of our fans can't see it.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

PFT says skins lower asking price for AH to a 3rd rounder...i personally think he's worth more what do you guys think

Posted by: zjenks | October 19, 2010 9:47 AM


I think if you can get a 6-inch sub and a Snapple you take it.

This dude is an elite talent WHEN HE WANTS TO BE. The problem with him is that he's only been interested in playing at that level when he's got a big money contract on the line.

Anyone giving up more than a 4th rounder is insane. And the fact that the Titans are the only team even remotely interested should be pretty damn telling.

I say take the 4th rounder the Titans are offering and wash your hands of him once and for all. He's obviously not helping this year and neither side seems interested in changing that. A team without a 4th round pick turning its nose up at a 4th rounder for a guy they're not using anyway is insanely arrogant, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ray Anderson says enforcement, not rules, will change
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2010 9:59 AM ET
NFL V.P. of football operations Ray Anderson has spoken, and in so doing he apparently has contradicted his own words to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

After creating on Monday night the clear impression that the rules regarding hits involving helmets will be changed dramatically, Anderson said on ESPN Radio's Mike & Mike in the Morning, "We're not changing any rule." Instead, Anderson said that the league will be beefing up the enforcement of the existing rules.

"If there are flagrant and egregious violations of our current rules, we will be enforcing effective immediately discipline at a higher level," Anderson said. "We need to get our players firmly in line with the current rules, and that's what our intentions are, effective immediately."

But what about the widespread notion, pushed for the last 12 hours by ESPN, that "devastating hits" and "head shots" will be legislated out of the game?

Said Anderson: "I don't know where the word devastating came from but that's not my word."

So whose word was it?

According to Mortensen, Anderson said, "We've got to get the message to players that these devastating hits and head shots will be met with a very necessary higher standard of accountability. We have to dispel the notion that you get one free pass in these egregious or flagrant shots." (Emphasis added.)

Anderson also addressed one of the most debated plays of the weekend -- the wicked shot delivered by Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson on Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson. Though Mike Golic loudly has claimed that Robinson's hit wasn't illegal, Anderson disagreed.

"Technically under that rule that was a violation . . . and it will be subject to discipline," Anderson said. "Yes, it was a bang-bang play, you can make the argument that it was different from the others, but at the end of the day it was still illegal under the rules."

Anderson is right. And we're amazed that anyone would argue Robinson's helmet-leaning kill shot on Jackson wasn't dirty.

As to the question of whether preventing hits to the head will result in more hits to the legs, which could blow out knees, Anderson explained that the league regards injuries resulting from head shots to be potentially "life altering," whereas hits to the knees are essentially "career altering." The league wisely has opted to protect against the former.

Anderson also addressed the criticism regarding the new focus on shots to the head, much of which is coming from former players in the media who are seem curiously willing to subject today's players to risks that the former players no longer have to face. "We understand that this is not just about the NFL," Anderson said.

Continued:

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


MrIrvin88 =

yet another reason mother's won't let their baby's grow up to be cowboy's

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Continued:

"This is about safety at our level at the college level, at the high school level, at the pee wee level, because we are the standard bearer and we are committed to safety at the highest level and so we will take all the criticism and all the backlash against those that say we are acting too aggressively in this regard. We are not going to be apologetic, we are not going to be defensive about it. We re going to protect our players and hopefully players at the lower levels by example.

We agree with the approach, and we'll have more thoughts regarding the various issues and dynamics later in the day. In short, we're concerned that the NFL isn't going far enough to protect players from avoidable head injuries, but we don't want to see the NFL go too far.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

If he lost the team in Denver why were the players pissed when he was let go, how has Denver done since then by the way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:06 AM |

Since firing a coach who has won you two SBs is a big deal, Pat Bowlen, the Bronc's owner, talked to the veteran leaders on the team and they did not support MS. It was evident that the team was not putting out since all they had to do was beat lowly Buffalo at home to win the division and they ended up losing to the Bills. And to two other teams that were a little more formidible than the Bills.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Let's trade CR for Champ Bailey. Bailey and Hall combo would be awesome. Pick up Merriman and trade AC. Then we have 2 true 3-4 OLBs. Get AH plugging up the middle and that would be the most feared defense in the NFC. ( and pick up a late rounder which GA has done well with for depth)

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Merriman sucks unless he's on the juice, which he won't do again.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 19, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Redskins drop asking price for Albert Haynesworth
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 19, 2010 9:39 AM ET

If this is true, (I assume they're talking about meeting in the middle at a 3rd round pick) it represents the 2nd best solution to a bad situation...and 2nd best isn't all that bad. It's a shame AH92 doesn't REALLY want to be as great as Reggie White like he said at his introductory press conference.

Those saying Shanahan sat AH92 out Sunday to spite him, and cutting his own nose off in the process, have it wrong. If he had played Sunday night he would have been gasping for oxygen, unable to be substituted for in the hurry-up. He would've embarrassed himself a la the Detroit and New Orleans games last year. If Shanahan was as spiteful as some AH fans think, that's the route he would've gone. That "not having worked out for the previous seven days" stuff is real. Instead, Shanahan was trying to win. If he hid from any potential trade partners that AH is out of shape in the process, well...that's okay too.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 19, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Delusional, once again. Too much Crack this morning, Mr. Irvin???

Worry about your own team and own problems, like how YOU GUYS are worn out and tired from flying all over the place in Training Camp. And as for us, we'll be fine, we have a cushy schedule coming up, you guys? Not so much, get ready to be
2-8 by the time you lose to the Lions!

How does it feel to lose to an overrated team like the Vikings with a QB that can barely stand up!!!! But you should be used to overrated teams, if you look that up on Wickipedia it shows a picture of that big gay star!!!

Have fun in the cellar this year, how does our azz look from the view???

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Isn't MMA more popular than boxing because it's more violent and accessible to the fans?

Jus' sayin'......

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

MMA still a very niche sport and hasn't achieved the level of popularity that Boxing once had.

My point is simple. Like Boxing, Football will no longer attract the best athletes possible if the game isn't perceived as trying to keep it's players from ending up like Ali.

Today, if I'm an elite athlete, I see no reason to pursue a career in the NFL.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Assault is a legal concept that does not include contact and hits made in the course of a game. A hypothetical fight on a sideline or in the locker room could be assault, but I don't think any court would convict on any football hits that are even remotely within the reasonable context of the game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 19, 2010 9:52 AM

Why not? Assault in sports can be prosecuted and it has been. Marty McSorley was convicted of assault for hitting Donald Brashear with his hockey stick in 2001. You don't think you could take someone to court for using your helmet as a weapon, against the NFL rules? Here's an article from the Cornell Journal of Law and Public Policy that says otherwise:

http://www.uga.edu/pol-sci/courses/cjcornelljlpp.pdf

"The threat that violence in sports poses to our society through its long-term influence on youths and spectators is unmistakable. Consequently, it is imperative that some responsible entity take measures to abate the unnecessary violence that has pervaded the world of sports. When internal league regulation ceases to adequately curb the problem, other methods are needed. Criminal prosecutions can be an effective means by which to send the message that society will not tolerate acts of unnecessary violence by sports participants."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Technically under that rule that was a violation (Dunta Robinson on DJackson). . . and it will be subject to discipline," Anderson said. "Yes, it was a bang-bang play, you can make the argument that it was different from the others, but at the end of the day it was still illegal under the rules."

So now, using your shoulder to hit a guy square in the chest is illegal?

God, why not just call it Austrialia Rules National League Touch Fag Football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Stop harping on Carlos Rodgers' dropped INT. It was 3rd down. All it took to end the Colts' posession was an incompletion. If Rogers was a bad corner, he would have been beaten for a completion and a 1st down.

You all complain about dropped interceptions, but you know what? The Skins had 3 takeaways and the Colts had only 1. 3-1 in turnovers!! They only capitalized on one of them!

Enough about Carlos Rogers dropping balls!!

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 19, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Franco, you're bebopin' and scattin' all over the place, dude...Shanahan "lost his team" in Denver? Really? I mean, where do you get this stuff?

His team had ZERO defense in '08 and promptly crapped away a 3 game lead in their division. That's why he's gone. Nobody lasts 14 years with a team without being damn good at their job. Not in the NFL.

How about reserving judgement on Shanahan until he's had a chance to at least finish a season? I mean, this team is WAAAY better than it was last year. For right now, that's more than enough.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

By my count there still plenty of yous needing to eat some crow cause AH is still on the team. Not cut during OTA, or minis or training camp or preseason or regular season start nor a month into the season. Yet yall still keep at it. 5th rounder get him outta here ham sandwich.

Ill would almost be glad if we get rid of him just to not here this nonsense anymore.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 19, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Regarding MIrvin,

Apparently, the huge intellectual bubble that Jerry Jones built in Arlington is way bigger than we all thought.

LOL!!

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 19, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Since firing a coach who has won you two SBs is a big deal, Pat Bowlen, the Bronc's owner, talked to the veteran leaders on the team and they did not support MS. It was evident that the team was not putting out since all they had to do was beat lowly Buffalo at home to win the division and they ended up losing to the Bills. And to two other teams that were a little more formidible than the Bills.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:25 AM |

Really were you in those meetings I don't think so the QB wanted to quit after Shanny was fired hence why he is now in Chicago. Where does B-Marshall play now he was fine under Shanny not so much under the new boy.

If your taking AH's side then you obviously want this team to stay the way it's been for the last decade, a bunch of overpaid whiny babies who don't want to play. I like this new version better and when we get rid of AH that will be the last problem child gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Pat Bowlen, the Bronc's owner, talked to the veteran leaders on the team and they did not support MS.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse"

No, it's the exact opposite. The players wanted nothing more than to keep MS on board. Their star players went so far as to request trades after MS was fired, largely due to the fact that he and his staff were being replaced.

The reason Shanahan was fired was because Bowlen wanted to hire a general manager and Shanahan refused to give up ultimate personnel control. Personnel issues may have been warranted depending on your POV (he had always built a great offense with his personnel, but rarely could build a great defense) - but don't get it twisted, Shanahan had the full support of his players, through and through. Even guys that voluntarily parted ways with Shanahan - like Clinton Portis and Trevor Pryce - still rave about how great of a coach he is and how much respect he his teams.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's trade CR for Champ Bailey. Bailey and Hall combo would be awesome. Pick up Merriman and trade AC. Then we have 2 true 3-4 OLBs. Get AH plugging up the middle and that would be the most feared defense in the NFC. ( and pick up a late rounder which GA has done well with for depth)

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM


You DO realize this isn't Madden, right? I mean, even Vinny doesn't take a sh*tty deal like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Today, if I'm an elite athlete, I see no reason to pursue a career in the NFL.


I doubt this will happen.

Elite athletes will look at Albert Haynesworth's contract and Sam Bradford's signing bonus, and keep lining up to play football all day long, trust me.

I mean, after all, Usain Bolt is an elite athlete.

Do you think he'd sign up to make NFL type money, even with the chance of taking a violent hit?

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Going through the rest of the schedule and based off how the team's playing now.

I see 3 games I doubt we win, 5 games where we have a 50/50 shot, and 2 games I think we will win.

@ CHI- 50/50
@ DET- Skins should win
PHI- 50/50
@ TEN- Probably lose
MIN- 50/50
@ NYG- Probably lose
TB- Skins should win
@ DAL 50/50
@ JAC 50/50
NYG Probably lose

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

MMA would have become main-stream if Kimbo Slice / Shamrock hadn't screwed the pooch. I think that was the sport's defining moment to date - all downhill from there. I'm not saying they can't get it back - but that was their watershed, or Waterloo.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You DO realize this isn't Madden, right? I mean, even Vinny doesn't take a sh*tty deal like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Its not, DANMIT I just relocated the Jaguars to Norfolk too.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I thought he handled Haynesworth very well. Here you had a guy with virtually no motivation to play up to his ability.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM |

If so then riddle me this - how is it that the much reviled JZ got more out of an out-of-shape AH than MS, a two time SB winning genius of a coach that you would think players would take salary discounts to play for just so that they could win that elusive "ring"?

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

A team without a 4th round pick turning its nose up at a 4th rounder for a guy they're not using anyway is insanely arrogant, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM |

Agree 100% AMEN !!! just get him out of here

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I see 3 games I doubt we win, 5 games where we have a 50/50 shot, and 2 games I think we will win.

@ CHI- 50/50
@ DET- Skins should win
PHI- 50/50
@ TEN- Probably lose
MIN- 50/50
@ NYG- Probably lose
TB- Skins should win
@ DAL 50/50
@ JAC 50/50
NYG Probably lose

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2010 10:37 AM |

@ CHI- 50/50 disagreee we should win
@ DET- Skins should win disagree 50/50
PHI- 50/50
@ TEN- Probably lose
MIN- 50/50
@ NYG- Probably lose
TB- Skins should win
@ DAL 50/50
@ JAC 50/50 disagree should win
NYG Probably lose disagree 50/50

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I doubt this will happen.

Elite athletes will look at Albert Haynesworth's contract and Sam Bradford's signing bonus, and keep lining up to play football all day long, trust me.

I mean, after all, Usain Bolt is an elite athlete.

Do you think he'd sign up to make NFL type money, even with the chance of taking a violent hit?

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Moe, the money on NFL contracts is chump change compared to what an elite NBA player or MLB player gets. Gil Arenas is still owed 80mil, guaranteed.

And the best part is, when I retire from these sports, I can enjoy life. I doubt the same can be said for many former NFLers.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

A team without a 4th round pick turning its nose up at a 4th rounder for a guy they're not using anyway is insanely arrogant, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:22 AM |

...or maybe it's just panic. They can get more if they wait until the end of the year. And, in the meantime, they'll put him on the field. IMO...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan had the full support of his players, through and through.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:35 AM |

It was so full that they got rolled by the lowly Bills at home when the division title was at stake. And it wasn't a GM issue. Bowlen had taken the GM duties away from MS earlier.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's trade CR for Champ Bailey. Bailey and Hall combo would be awesome. Pick up Merriman and trade AC. Then we have 2 true 3-4 OLBs. Get AH plugging up the middle and that would be the most feared defense in the NFC. ( and pick up a late rounder which GA has done well with for depth)

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 19, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

so we trade our best cover corner because he can't catch, and keep hall opposite bailey? Maybe you don't remember DHall in Oakland, but when he h=was playing opposite Nnamdi, another true shut down corner, opposing QBs threw at him early and often. The result was the Raiders cutting their brand new Multi-Million dollar FA half way into the season. I'm not hitching my wagon to DHall at all.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

If so then riddle me this - how is it that the much reviled JZ got more out of an out-of-shape AH than MS, a two time SB winning genius of a coach that you would think players would take salary discounts to play for just so that they could win that elusive "ring"?

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:40 AM |

AH doesn't give a sh+t about winning a SB all he cares about is the money.

As far as Zorn getting more out of AH, well of course he did AH was new to the team wanted to show the fans he was worth the money.

Once he got that huge check at the end of the season it wouldn't of mattered if Vince Lombardi was the coach AH was done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

You guys are spewing venom on this beautiful morning for no good reason. All I did was point out that a) the schedule-makers tried to tilt the field in your favor by giving you an insane number of home games early in the season and b) y'all stink something fierce. What's wrong with that (*innocently*)?

That whistling sound you hear is the Cadavers crashing back to Earth. Don't y'all just love it when Donovan McOldd throws yet another loss-sealing pick at the end of the game? LMAO!!

I don't know why y'all are so funny to me, but you are. Now keep Deadskins Insider (a Cowboys blog by any measure) lively until the next time which, as always, will be sooner than you think.

-May Peace Be Upon Y'all, HTTD!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Today, if I'm an elite athlete, I see no reason to pursue a career in the NFL.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse"

That's the way it's been for a long time. Nothing new being developed there. Football is and has been third in "desired" sports for a while now. If you're a three-sport athlete with an equal opportunity to be great in all of the sports, athletes will almost always choose basketball or baseball over football.

That's why you have so many "converted" athletes to football like Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, and Julius Peppers - but very rarely have converted athletes from football to other sports. These guys tried to play basketball first, but weren't good enough to make it. If they were good enough to play there, chances are they wouldn't have chosen football at all.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Shanny ust needs to let AH play... At least for the rest of the year... See how he plays, you never know, he could have a great year. Im sure at the end of the day he will still be on the skins.

And why the hell is a dallas fan in here. Oh wait probably because your sorry @$$ team is 1-4 and stand no chance to make the playoffs, so you come on skins forum to try to take your sorrows out on us. So much for dallas playing in dallas this year in the superbowl.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: SteveOman | October 19, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Its not, DANMIT I just relocated the Jaguars to Norfolk too.


Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2010 10:39 AM


LOL...glad to see I'm not the only one that moves that team. I send the Jags to L.A. every franchise season I start. It's inevitable in real life anyway...

Franco, if you're insane enough to make a statement like "JZ got more out of AH than MS did", then you're just too lost to try and usher back to reality. Let me know how the unicorns are there on the purple planet...

Props to Irvin for being THE ONLY Dall-ass fan showing his ugly mug in the aftermath of their well-deserved 1-4 start. Can't wait to see your precious little 'Girls fall to 6-10 and promptly take another skill position player they don't need in the middle of the 1st round of next year's draft. At least one cockroach stayed in the light long enough to get his medicine...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

As far as Zorn getting more out of AH, well of course he did AH was new to the team wanted to show the fans he was worth the money.

Once he got that huge check at the end of the season it wouldn't of mattered if Vince Lombardi was the coach AH was done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 10:45 AM |

He was going to get that check whether or not he showed anybody he was "worth the money". You don't understand the meaning of "guaranteed money". It means that you can come in, be the way you are with MS with JZ, and the money will still be in your bank account on the due date.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"And it wasn't a GM issue. Bowlen had taken the GM duties away from MS earlier.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 19, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse"

Sorry, no, you're wrong.

"It's not clear how it contributed to his firing, but the Rocky Mountain News reported on Tuesday night that Bowlen asked Shanahan to make another change at defensive coordinator -- this time cutting loose Bob Slowik. Shanahan reportedly refused. He had said after Sunday's loss that he would not fire another defensive coordinator.

This year, as the defense floundered, it became obvious it wasn't just a coaching problem. It was an issue of talent on the field, and in Denver, the buck stopped with Shanahan."

Shanahan was fired because of personnel issues and refusal to give up full control.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Franco, you're bebopin' and scattin' all over the place, dude...Shanahan "lost his team" in Denver? Really? I mean, where do you get this stuff?

His team had ZERO defense in '08 and promptly crapped away a 3 game lead in their division. That's why he's gone. Nobody lasts 14 years with a team without being damn good at their job. Not in the NFL.

How about reserving judgement on Shanahan until he's had a chance to at least finish a season? I mean, this team is WAAAY better than it was last year. For right now, that's more than enough.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Being waaaaay better than last year doesn't mean much. If MS is who some of us think he is then it's expected that we would improve. But lets not gloss over some of the facts that you pointed out. Shanny put together a team that had some star offensive players (Marshall and Cutler) but was seriously lacking on defense. Ms was the defacto GM so it was on him to "buy the groceries". The owner obviously didn't like the direction MS was going in with respect to personnel. Is it coincidental that our defense is also lacking behind MS calling the shots?

You mentioned a 3 game lead in the division that wasted away to nothing. Another sign of a great coach. The experience of winning 2 super bowls didn't have much bearing on his or his teams ability to pull out must win games in tough situations. I'm not gonna say he lost his team, but he wasn't able to get that group over the hump.


It's early, my skins are .500 and I'm good with that. No doubt Shanny is better than Zorn, but if that's all we wanted, how hard is it for him to better than Zorn? Something is missing, i dunno. For me, it just doesn't smell right. I do see our players playing harder than they have in the past though so I'll take the bitter with the sweet.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Agree with other posters, if I were a top athlete I would go to MLB or the NBA first, you are looking at a longer careers and guaranteed money.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

psps23, you're wasting your time on this Franco guy...can't fix stupid and he seems to like rhetoric a lot more than fact...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why y'all are so funny to me, but you are. Now keep Deadskins Insider (a Cowboys blog by any measure) lively until the next time which, as always, will be sooner than you think.

-May Peace Be Upon Y'all, HTTD!

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

is this clown kidding me? this from a fan of the most disappointing team in football?I know it makes you feel good to rag on the skins after a loss, but why don't you holla at Wade and the girls to try winning one for a change, it feels so much better. Your team is stuck at the bottom of the division and you're burning inside about it. Thx for comin over here to hate, it lets us know just how pitiful you are. I don't even think about cowboys stuff, never seen your team homepage, but here you are blogging trying to be a REdskins Insider......Welcome home son.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

It's early, my skins are .500 and I'm good with that. No doubt Shanny is better than Zorn, but if that's all we wanted, how hard is it for him to better than Zorn? Something is missing, i dunno. For me, it just doesn't smell right. I do see our players playing harder than they have in the past though so I'll take the bitter with the sweet.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM

Something is missing how about 10 years of draft picks they wasted before Shanny got here, did you expect him to take the pathetic roster he was left and change it in one off season. The team is playing better and the roster is getting overhauled thats enough for me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Fat Irving?! What are you doing? You just come by to heap more ridicule upon yourself...

Is your one victory getting lonely?

Is you Tony rHomo spank towel not 'getting it done' for you anymore?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Assault is a legal concept that does not include contact and hits made in the course of a game. A hypothetical fight on a sideline or in the locker room could be assault, but I don't think any court would convict on any football hits that are even remotely within the reasonable context of the game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 19, 2010 9:52 AM

Why not? Assault in sports can be prosecuted and it has been. Marty McSorley was convicted of assault for hitting Donald Brashear with his hockey stick in 2001. You don't think you could take someone to court for using your helmet as a weapon, against the NFL rules? Here's an article from the Cornell Journal of Law and Public Policy that says otherwise:

http://www.uga.edu/pol-sci/courses/cjcornelljlpp.pdf

"The threat that violence in sports poses to our society through its long-term influence on youths and spectators is unmistakable. Consequently, it is imperative that some responsible entity take measures to abate the unnecessary violence that has pervaded the world of sports. When internal league regulation ceases to adequately curb the problem, other methods are needed. Criminal prosecutions can be an effective means by which to send the message that society will not tolerate acts of unnecessary violence by sports participants."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 10:29 AM
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Football is a violent sport. The people who play a violent sport assume the risk. There is an inherent risk in anything you do, and it is up to the individual to assess that risk and decide whether or not they should take it. Most other countries in the world accept this as common sense, but the US seems to believe that people should be protected from their own judgements.

I like football. I like watching it. I don't like it when players get hurt, but that's an inherent risk. If this is such a hot issue, then why aren't the teams implementing better protective equipment? It took them years to get rid of the old astro turf even though there was a body of evidence that showed there were a lot more knee injuries on turf. How long will it take for the NFL to force the helmet makers to come up with better solutions?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"The threat that violence in sports poses to our society through its long-term influence on youths and spectators is unmistakable. Consequently, it is imperative that some responsible entity take measures to abate the unnecessary violence that has pervaded the world of sports. When internal league regulation ceases to adequately curb the problem, other methods are needed. Criminal prosecutions can be an effective means by which to send the message that society will not tolerate acts of unnecessary violence by sports participants."

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse
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You're right about that hockey stick case, but to me that case was distinguished in that, if I recall, the player basically used his stick to deliberately whack a player in the head outside of the bounds of the game. In contrast, in my opinion, a player spearing a receiver with his helmet while trying to make a tackle (albeit a tackle that's against the rules) is something that is within the bounds of the game and that no court will touch. Now, if it's outside of the context of the play, yes. For example, didn't a player swing a helmet at another player a few seasons ago? That's what I'm envisioning as the limit of an assault charge on the football field. Of course, I've pretty much invented a legal standard here, but that's what seems logical to me. I haven't read the Cornell article, but that quote gives me the impression that it is more a theoretical analysis rather than practical application, which is certainly a worthwhile exercise but is beyond the bounds of what I'm going to analyze here. Thoughts?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 19, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"...the money on NFL contracts is chump change compared to what an elite NBA player or MLB player gets."


Hey, I'm a baseball fan and agree.

But the thing about football is that it has a draw on male athletes that's caused by college scholarships, media hype, and cultural influence.

The guys who play baseball and basketball professionally are once in a lifetime type athletes.

A lot of pro football players are guys who trained themselves into perfection, so it's an easier path.

Plus, the popularity of football is a draw that the NBA and MLB can't match.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I understand the NFL's concern with the rash of concussions and helmet to helmet hits, but they need to be careful with this. Penalizing or even suspending players for spearing I can understand - that is something that a player can control...IF they actually lowered their head with intent to use the helmet as a weapon. "Helmet-to-helmet" contact which can occur in a myriad of ways cannot always be considered a intentional effort to harm another player. These guys are running into each other on every play; it happens.

Beep beep, I've heard/seen many people with your thinking on this, and I'm mystified. There may be some spots where it is obvious a hit is made to injure, but those are the few and far between. With the speed at which these collisions takes place, judging intent is completely subjective. The idea of charging assault for hitting someone on a football field is ludicrous. Maybe in some extreme cases you could do it, such as the Jim McMahon case in the 80's where he was picked up after an interception and pile drived, but the vast majority of the time? Forget it.

This is a league that allows the force out now so officials don't have to make a subjective call...if they change the rules in order to suspend any helmet to helmet contact, than they're being awful hypocritical in my mind.

Also, knee-jerk reactions like this almost always result in bad decisions. The NFL should go over the tape of hits in the offseason, consult with doctors, officials, players, and owners, and come up with whatever changes it wants to make next season.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

is this clown kidding me? this from a fan of the most disappointing team in football?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 11:02 AM

Yes, he is kidding you and no, he's not a Cobwoys fan. This is a sock puppet of one of the regulars up here, just havin' a little fun and drawing dupes like rachel and he$$one into his snare. The expression up here is ITA: Ignore The Asstroll.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Something is missing how about 10 years of draft picks they wasted before Shanny got here, did you expect him to take the pathetic roster he was left and change it in one off season. The team is playing better and the roster is getting overhauled thats enough for me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'll tip my Bud to that!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Being waaaaay better than last year doesn't mean much. If MS is who some of us think he is then it's expected that we would improve. But lets not gloss over some of the facts that you pointed out. Shanny put together a team that had some star offensive players (Marshall and Cutler) but was seriously lacking on defense. Ms was the defacto GM so it was on him to "buy the groceries". The owner obviously didn't like the direction MS was going in with respect to personnel. Is it coincidental that our defense is also lacking behind MS calling the shots?

You mentioned a 3 game lead in the division that wasted away to nothing. Another sign of a great coach. The experience of winning 2 super bowls didn't have much bearing on his or his teams ability to pull out must win games in tough situations. I'm not gonna say he lost his team, but he wasn't able to get that group over the hump.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 10:56 AM


Alright, first of all, in Year 1 of ANY regime, you look for improvement. Assigning an acceptable W/L record to that or trying to quantify improvement in some way is assinine. Seldom do teams completely turn around their fortunes in one year. So holding MS to that standard is shortsighted, at best.

Second, having a coach/GM doesn't work in football. You may get a pretty good team here or there, but having a guy work two full-time jobs seldom works in your favor, regardless of the profession. As you saw, MS was pretty damn good when he focused on coaching.

If he ever got his hands on a top shelf D-coordinator, he might've had a couple more titles and bucked that trend. But that's all speculation...all I know is that he's off to a pretty good start here considering what he inherited. And beating the guy down after 6 games is crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

might be time for some pft updates.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

My thought for the day:

Excessive Celebration penalties should be less than or equal to a teams number of victories.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

If the NFL is trying to protect the players why are the trying to add two more games to the schedule. The NFL is trying to protect there money they don't give a sh_t about the players other then the money they bring in.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

My thought for the day:

Excessive Celebration penalties should be less than or equal to a teams number of victories.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And win loss record for some teams have to do with IQ Score, which makes a lot of sense in Dallas.

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Losses are always disappointing, but I for one see a huge difference between this team and most teams over the last 10-12 years. I am in a positive mood going forward. We are extremely more competitive in these games and they are actually, you know, fun to watch. There were times the last two seasons where I questioned why I even cared b/c just watching them play was beyond painful.

Shanny has been shedding vet security blankets left and right to give young and unhearleded players a shot. Who isn't excited about Armstrong, Torain, Banks, Lo Alexander. Also our young studs on Defense are coming into there own like Orakp0 and Landry.

Its a process not quick fixes, meanwhile while we are fixing a broken house we are staying in the fight in a tough but wide open NFC/NFC East.

Flounder is right, the resources on this team where deeply drained yet, outside the Rams game (who by the way are much improved) I am not hanging my head in disgrace.

Actually this team reminds me a lot of the first Gibbs 2.0 playoff team (the one that beat TB in POs) in that we are not that talented but very physical, lose close games to a tough AFC division and TCB against NFC/NFC East teams enough to be in the mix in December when siht gets exciting! In fact I think Gibbs 2.0 would have been better if he hadn't second guessed himself after that year and hired wierd al and brought in all the free agents...

Ok sorry long post....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Like Boxing, Football will no longer attract the best athletes possible if the game isn't perceived as trying to keep it's players from ending up like Ali.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:28 AM |

dude, ali has parkinson's disease

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Also, knee-jerk reactions like this almost always result in bad decisions. The NFL should go over the tape of hits in the offseason, consult with doctors, officials, players, and owners, and come up with whatever changes it wants to make next season.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM

Knee-jerk reaction? Shaun, do you work for the Government? "We need to set up a committee to study the problem and propose a solution!"

The rules have been on the books for a couple of years now. What's going to change is that they're going to enforce them more vigorously.

And, if you want to understand the thinking of people who would prosecute sports assault as a crime, click on the article I posted above. It specifically mentions prosecuting "only the most egregious acts" of sports violence, such as the one you described.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

My thought for the day:

Excessive Celebration penalties should be less than or equal to a teams number of victories.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And win loss record for some teams have to do with IQ Score, which makes a lot of sense in Dallas.

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 11:20 AM

What would you guess the IQ is of an individual who, shortly after receiving such a penalty, mocks the referees by shaking a teammates hand in the end zone after a score?

I'm working on my prediction for this weeks game, you may be surprised monk.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 19, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

dude, ali has parkinson's disease

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:24 AM |

Exactly. And many former pro players are showing the symptoms of parkinson's and showing them at young ages.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I fear Landry gonna pick up an ejection/suspension with these new rules/old rules enforcement/lawyer mentality ruling NFL HQ...

Book it....love to be wrong...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Alright, first of all, in Year 1 of ANY regime, you look for improvement. Assigning an acceptable W/L record to that or trying to quantify improvement in some way is assinine. Seldom do teams completely turn around their fortunes in one year. So holding MS to that standard is shortsighted, at best.

...all I know is that he's off to a pretty good start here considering what he inherited.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 11:14 AM |

I've been trying to say this for a while now. People here are so used to mediocrity and crappy teams, though, that patience is non existent. We want to build a perpetual winner but we don't want to take the time to do it. We want new schemes that work but we want them to work immediately. Counter intuitive and counter productive to think in that way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse


Moe, the money on NFL contracts is chump change compared to what an elite NBA player or MLB player gets. Gil Arenas is still owed 80mil, guaranteed.

And the best part is, when I retire from these sports, I can enjoy life. I doubt the same can be said for many former NFLers.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 10:42 AM |

as if everyone is born with the ability to choose the sport they'll excell at. give me a break.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Also, if the can is quivering, it's probably time to look for a stronger metal for your boiling-crap containers... maybe tinker with the alloy composition a bit.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 4:52 PM | R

I was thinking along the lines of Cranberry Sauce fresh from the can, You know how it comes out all gelatinous and jiggly? Yep, mix that with a pile of poo and you get Cutler under pressure...weak in the knees, brown, and crying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 6:14 PM

Whether they're wearing the white jerseys or black jerseys, I think that this Cutler ragdoll circumstance has meant that the Bears have needed to wear black pants for every game.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

dude, ali has parkinson's disease

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

And...Any other news you feel like breaking to me. How about Lou Gehrig had ALS.

Care to guess what significantly contributed to Ali's parkinson's or Gehrig's ALS?

Brain damage..caused by..wait for it..suffering multiple head injuries throughout their careers.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I fear Landry gonna pick up an ejection/suspension with these new rules/old rules enforcement/lawyer mentality ruling NFL HQ...

Book it....love to be wrong...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2010 11:29 AM

I made the same warning last night while monoblogging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Grossman does not envision a warm reception from Bears fans at Soldier Field. "I would expect them to probably boo," he said.
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dcsween does not envision a warm reception for Cutler from the Skins' blitz. "I would expect him to probably poo," he said.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I made the same warning last night while monoblogging.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:34 AM

Raising the philosophical question, "If a warning is raised in a monoblog and no one hears it...."?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys are America's Team. Therefore, every NFL blog is rightfully ours. Every...single...one.

When will you slack-jawed mopes let that sink into your (rather) thick skulls?

-Peace

Posted by: MrIrvin88 | October 19, 2010 10:20 AM
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Whatever! Crackhead!....you still smoking that sh!t i see...every sunday on NFL gameday on the NFLN your lips are ashey white...like Tyrone Biggums...Warren Sapp and Marshall Faulk are both dark skinned brothers but thier lips are white...why are yours?...it the crack baby the crack....just check this...

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24405&title=tyrone-biggums-classroom-visit

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Also, if the can is quivering, it's probably time to look for a stronger metal for your boiling-crap containers... maybe tinker with the alloy composition a bit.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 4:52 PM | R

I was thinking along the lines of Cranberry Sauce fresh from the can, You know how it comes out all gelatinous and jiggly? Yep, mix that with a pile of poo and you get Cutler under pressure...weak in the knees, brown, and crying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 6:14 PM

Whether they're wearing the white jerseys or black jerseys, I think that this Cutler ragdoll circumstance has meant that the Bears have needed to wear black pants for every game.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 11:32 AM

...and extra strength Depends jock straps.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. And many former pro players are showing the symptoms of parkinson's and showing them at young ages.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:29 AM

Like Michael J. Fox from the basketball scenes in Teen Wolf.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 19, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Refs definitely have an out for Landry, but fortunately, he has kept his mouth quiet so far. I do agree, however, that he's a likely ejectee this week. James Harrison the one who the league is going to tell the refs to watch closely ... based on his remarks after taking out Massaquoi and Cribbs, he might even be suspended today.

Back on Landry, did you guys already talk about how he broke up the pass to Dallas Clark in the first play of the Colts' last possession (the one that ended with 3 and out)? The commentators remarked how it was great coverage to get his hand around Clark to knock away the ball, but nobody seemed to notice that, as they were both in the air going for the ball, Landry was behind Clark with his arm around Clark's waist, and as Clark was going down, Landry was essentially doing a pile driver of Clark's head into the ground. Clark had to leave the field after that play.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse


is this clown kidding me? this from a fan of the most disappointing team in football?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 19, 2010 11:02 AM

Yes, he is kidding you and no, he's not a Cobwoys fan. This is a sock puppet of one of the regulars up here, just havin' a little fun and drawing dupes like rachel and he$$one into his snare. The expression up here is ITA: Ignore The Asstroll.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:09 AM |

ah beep-beep, you just got duped by posting the above, for you my man just responded in a round-about way.

also, your arguement about physical assault is weak in a game of speed and physical contact, one in which it is taught and coached to rip your opponents head off.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Watch an NFL game and count the number of tacklers who break down with proper technique, and you'll see a lack of fundamentals is why the hits happen.'Cuz none of them do.Posted by: MistaMoe"

I think they're teaching fundamentals, probably better than they did when you and I played. Particularly to high-level athletes who get extra coaching all the way from junior high through college.

I think the players aren't paying attention.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

What would you guess the IQ is of an individual who, shortly after receiving such a penalty, mocks the referees by shaking a teammates hand in the end zone after a score?

I'm working on my prediction for this weeks game, you may be surprised monk.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 19, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I would say their IQ is somewhere between an ashtray and a pickle jar!!!

Can't wait for this SURPRISE prediction, you know, only NERDS keep predicting the same thing! hehehe

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

one in which it is taught and coached to rip your opponents head off.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:43 AM

Apparently the coaching has not been good (to date) since no one has successfully ripped his opponents' head off.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Losses are always disappointing, but I for one see a huge difference between this team and most teams over the last 10-12 years. I am in a positive mood going forward. We are extremely more competitive in these games and they are actually, you know, fun to watch. There were times the last two seasons where I questioned why I even cared b/c just watching them play was beyond painful.

Shanny has been shedding vet security blankets left and right to give young and unhearleded players a shot. Who isn't excited about Armstrong, Torain, Banks, Lo Alexander. Also our young studs on Defense are coming into there own like Orakp0 and Landry.

Its a process not quick fixes, meanwhile while we are fixing a broken house we are staying in the fight in a tough but wide open NFC/NFC East.

Flounder is right, the resources on this team where deeply drained yet, outside the Rams game (who by the way are much improved) I am not hanging my head in disgrace.

Actually this team reminds me a lot of the first Gibbs 2.0 playoff team (the one that beat TB in POs) in that we are not that talented but very physical, lose close games to a tough AFC division and TCB against NFC/NFC East teams enough to be in the mix in December when siht gets exciting! In fact I think Gibbs 2.0 would have been better if he hadn't second guessed himself after that year and hired wierd al and brought in all the free agents...

Ok sorry long post....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2010 11:23 AM


Well said, CL. 100% co-sign.

Same for scamp @ 11:30...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

hessone

"...as if everyone is born with the ability to choose the sport they'll excell at..."

I hate to go all racial and cultural on folks, but what kills me is that black boys don't play baseball thinking it's a white boy sport.

When I was a track/cross country coach, I'd point out to elite runners the folly of loving football so much.

It was as if they felt expected to be football players when so many of them could excel at some other sporting activity.

I couldn't argue against the unique cultural/racial dynamic where kids of different races don't play a sport based on the stereotype of who should play what.

Too, the hypocritical highlight reel culture of mass media is one where announcers complain about the violence in sports while showing the highlight of a violent hit from several angles.

We celebrate the violent warrior athlete while condemning his violence and aggression.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 19, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

as if everyone is born with the ability to choose the sport they'll excell at. give me a break.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Boy you are slow today. I was talking about elite athletes. You know the people that make football fun to watch. Randy Moss, P. Manning, etc.

"Today, if I'm an elite athlete, I see no reason to pursue a career in the NFL."

I'd prefer a league that isn't comprised of a bunch of Mike Sellers

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

new post about Portis on concussions (includes irony)

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Shanny has been shedding vet security blankets left and right to give young and unhearleded players a shot. Who isn't excited about Armstrong, Torain, Banks, Lo Alexander. Also our young studs on Defense are coming into there own like Orakp0 and Landry."

I was just about to say the same thing. So much for this "old" team that Shanahan was supposedly building.

The backbone of the defense starts with Landry and ends with Orakpo. Alexander and McIntosh have distinguished themselves as key components. Even Rogers, for all his dropping woes, has turned in a great campaign so far being second in the league in passes defensed. Moore is a work in progress but getting valuable experience, and even guys like Jarmon and Wilson are getting burn.

As for the offense, we now have Torain and Armstrong to go along with TWilliams as a few of our focal points.

If Cooley is forced to miss time, watch Fred Davis break out once again.

And on special teams, our little rook came up big again with a long return AND a blocked field goal. He's also being used in packages on offense and could see a big play sooner or later (he'll be sent on a couple more deep routes to force defenders to back off him - then eventually it'll set up a deadly screen to him open space and blockers in front to spring him...book it).

Shanahan is slowly implementing the foundation for the future this season. And we're competing for the division thus far while doing it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beep beep ...and beware of trolls

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 19, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think the players aren't paying attention.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

ZZZZzzzzzz...what, hey, I was paying, YAWN, attention. Damn I'm drowsy!

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Signed,
Fred Davis

Posted by: monk811 | October 19, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"how is it that the much reviled JZ got more out of an out-of-shape AH than MS...Posted by: FrancoBegbie"

He didn't. Albert came in with a reasonably good attitude because he was getting paid what he thought he deserved, and because he thought Washington would open up more media and marketing opportunities (a stated reason). Then the season went to crap and Albert started worrying about being blamed (as the highest paid player). Also a stated concern of his. His conflicts with Greg Blache escalated and late in the season, he was coasting. So was the rest of the team, so it was easier not to notice.

So I think your premise is flawed. Albert has had attitude problems throughout his career. In Tennessee, too. Snyder effectively reduced his motivation to zero by giving him all that guaranteed money. Once it became clear the Skins were losing, Albert quit.

I'm always amazed how DC ended up with the two most toxic contracts in sports: Albert Haynesworth and Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"hess, cr ain't pickin off shti...please, can we just move on from that guy...offer him a vet minimum contract with no bonus in the offseason...show him game tape of drops starting all the way back to his rookie year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse"

Let's not forget the sure pick six drop in the Seahawks playoff game.. Man that was disappointing

Posted by: SteveOman | October 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2010 11:33 AM |

Care to guess what significantly contributed to Ali's parkinson's or Gehrig's ALS?

Brain damage..caused by..wait for it..suffering multiple head injuries throughout their careers
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oh that's right, lou was hit in the head by baseball bats

Dementia pugilistica is what you might be talking about and has symptoms such as parkinsonism, which is not parkinson's disease.

Posted by: hessone | October 19, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

KMoore is inexperienced. He flies to the ball straight ahead with the same speed he flies to the sidelines. He gets beat everytime because all the player has to do is juke left or right and he flies past them. He has to approach a straight ahead tackle with caution. You would think he would learn after five games or the coaches would tell him.

Posted by: renegade2 | October 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman led us to the Super Bowl! Jay Cutler can't lead us to the kitchen! Jay Cutler leads both leagues in Interceptions. I want Rex Grossman back in Chicago with the Bears! It was a mistake to let him go and the stupid fans here are all armchair quarterbacks who don't know crap. Kyle Orton leads the League in passing yards---bet Denver is glad Cutler is gone! Go Rex! You will make it big one day, so, hang in there. Peyton Manning wasn't so good in his early years!!

Posted by: joemalecki | October 25, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

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