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Rian Wallace Is Gone

As suspected, the oft-injured linebacker was let go. He broke his hand early in camp and after hearing the news yesterday that Wallace would miss three more weeks with a dislocated shoudler, well, you could already smell the injury settlement. You need to keep adding bodies with this 80-man limit. The Skins have signed first-year LB David Holloway, from Maryland, to take Wallace's spot. Holloway was an un-drafted free agent in 2007.

Jason Goode, a rookie TE from Maryland who has turf toe, remains on the roster, though he is expected to miss a week or so.

Earlier this morning, Jason La Canfora chatted.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 18, 2008; 10:20 AM ET
 
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GOLDEN RICHARDS!

Posted by: SMACK | August 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Nasscar drivers don't belong in the NFL anyway..

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

the redskins took a salary cap hit for the murdered sean taylor this year. is nfl going to do something about this?

Posted by: jlang | August 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Chat link not working?

Posted by: RambleOn | August 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Link is broken - please fix.

Posted by: xian504 | August 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the chat link is broken for me too.

Posted by: [cc] | August 18, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: [cc] | August 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

just fixed it...

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I defended myself re: what I said about Rock and Westbrook in the previous thread.

Good for Jason Goode to get a TD pass (after a roster-spot seeking LB took a gamble and lost), but the roster seems set at TE. Sorry dude.

Also, personal favorite play of the game was in the middle of the second quarter (the play after Rob Jackson's sack). My notes: #92 + # 48 feast, mayhem loss of yards. From NFL play by play, it was Evans and Moore for a loss of 3 on a running play. Gotta lust for that mayhem.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Mason is great but he's gotta go. He's a luxury we can't afford with a brittle LB & DB corps. It needs to be 26 defense & 24 offense. With Rock you get a kick returner too, so it's a 2-for-1 deal which is major factor that affects Mason in the RB depth chart scheme. The difference in skill level between Rock & Mason is noticeable (Mason is better) but it's not big enough that it is going to change the dynamics of your team, because this is 3rd string RB's we are talking about !! How often are teams left to play their 3rd string RB 7-8 games into the regular season because of injury ? The occurence is not enough that it justifies short changing our LB's and DB's of depth. I really like Mason and he'd be a keeper if the Skins were to trade Betts or didn't have him at all, but the fact of the matter is Betts is here and I know nothing of the Skins having plans to trade him. It's just a tough break if Mason get's the Axe. But you gotta move on.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 18, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Redskins vs. Jets -- After Further Review
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Rich Tandler
WarpathInsiders.com Aug 18, 2008

Rich Tandler takes a look back at the game against the Jets and keys in on some hot topics.

Jason Campbell

It’s not like going 4 for 10 for 28 yards is completely irrelevant, it’s just incomplete information. It’s like trying to judge a Miss American contestant by looking at one of her arms.

Football games ebb and flow. Quarterbacks sometimes start out hot and cool off as the defense adjusts. On other occasions the offense has to adjust to what the defense is doing and the QB finds his stride as the game goes on.

While there’s no guarantee that Campbell would have caught fire had this been a real game, it’s safe to say that he would not have gone 16 for 40 for 112 yards (his numbers projected out over four quarters).

It also needs to be said that the same can be said of his two previous games, when he started out hot.

I know that there is impatience when it comes to finding out what the Redskins have in Campbell. Unfortunately, we won’t even begin to know until September 4.

Bubble Watch

Billy McMullen had a drop late in the first half but he did wind up catching three passes for 53 yards including a 37-yard grab that jump started the Redskins late drive to take the lead. Anthony Mix, on the other hand, watched the game from the sideline, nursing a rib injury. He will have to get in there and make some catches if he’s going to beat out McMullen.

Along the defensive line, both tackle Ryan Boschetti and end Rob Jackson appeared to bolster their chances, although the two remain long shots to make the final cut. Boschetti batted down a couple of passes and made two tackles behind the line of scrimmage while Jackson got a sack.

Vernon Fox may have played his way onto the bubble with some shoddy tackling, especially in the Jets’ final drive. It appears that both Kareem Moore, who started the game, and Chris Horton are safe. Will Blache want to hold on to the veteran Fox or let him go to open up a roster spot and let Shawn Springs play free safety in a pinch? Justin Hamilton made some solid tackles but he’s probably auditioning for another team or to be an injury replacement for the Skins.

I’m not sure that Marcus Mason belongs in a discussion of bubble players any more.

The Winning Drive

I don’t want to make a big deal out of something that ultimately is meaningless, but I really liked the Colt Brennan-led drive to give the Redskins the lead. Joe Gibbs would open every two-minute drill with a draw play that would gain eight yards and cost 30 seconds. Zorn went deep and all of a sudden the Redskins were in New York territory after the 37-yard completion.

Then, after the defense was back on its heels, came the draw and Mason made a nice gain. Two plays later the defensive back gambled for the pick and Jason Goode made the catch and rolled in for the score.

Other Notes

--Devin Thomas, the Redskins’ top draft pick, did not have a stellar debut and, unlike Campbell, he played a lot. Kelly Jonson on Comcast reported at halftime that Thomas “had his tongue hanging out” as he went into the locker room, and then he played in the third quarter. He did not have a catch; he had a good shot at one but Derrick Devine led him out of bounds. In all, he got a big-time lesson in the speed of the game at this level.

--I noticed that Anthony Montgomery was in the game in the third quarter alongside Boschetti and Jackson. I checked and Kedric Golston did start at defensive tackle. I don’t know if this means that Golston has won back the job he had in 2006, but I’ll certainly have an eye to see if he starts next week.

--Eric Mangini showed that he is a twit for going for the field goal and overtime with five seconds left. Play like you have to score a touchdown or go home. He got what he deserved.

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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/780508.html

Posted by: Tandler to da Post | August 18, 2008 10:18 AM

Posted by: Tandler to da Post | August 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Also, today is LaVar's 1st day on the radio at 1pm. Don't know what thew convo will be, but there is no way he can't include the redskins since he is doing a DC Radio gig.

http://www.heaven1580am.com/

They have listen live link on the website.....

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 10:38 AM

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

the redskins took a salary cap hit for the murdered sean taylor this year. is nfl going to do something about this?

Posted by: jlang | August 18, 2008 10:25 AM

No.

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The best thing for us is to trade Betts before final cuts and move Mason to #2 on RBs and keep Cartwright as #3 Main Special Teams player/captin.......

We already know what Betts can do during an actual game. Can't get a yard when we need it and fumbles on key drives.....

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 10:33 AM

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

We're not overpaying ARE just so he can play #2 WR.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 7:11 AM

>>> Yes they are. Still, its better than paying Archuleta or Lloyd (also in ARE’s FA class) anything.

And, by the way, Sween, Westbrook's not competing against Mason for punt returner. The only guy who's returned punts other than Westbrook this year is Mann.
Mason has only returned kickoffs. Many have returned kickoffs -- Westbrook, Mason, Tryon, Thomas, and Mann. Everyone except you or me.

Posted by: Mull It | August 18, 2008 7:36 A

>>> I didn’t say Westbrook was competing against Mason for PR … I said he was competing against him for a bubble spot … one of the ones reserved for s-teamers ... one of the spots that kept Jimoh on the team. I said the bubble competition now moves to Mason and Rock … which admittedly is a head-to-head position competition. I don’t see the team keeping all of Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason. Something has to give. [Rock’s best hope is that a good team loses a back and is willing to cough up a first round pick … or a bad team is willing to cough up a second. It is going to come down to math.] Frankly, with Portis and Betts, if the Skins really do play them as dual backs* instead of #1/#2 backs, they don't need a #3 back.

Westbrook is C-U-T cut, cut, cut. He's been an OK CB and has fumbled at least 2 punts in pre-season. Sween, I love you like a fat kid loves cake, but that dude should not be returning punts.

Posted by: etrod | August 18, 2008 8:54 AM

>>> Agree to disagree, except about the cake.


* I the "dual backs" to be Jags (Drew-Jones and Taylor) and Dallas (Barber-Jones ... last season and this season, different Jones), and last season examples of Carolina (Williams-Foster), New Orleans (McCalister-Bush), Atlanta (somebody-Norwood), and the season before, Indy (Rhodes-Addai).

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Say, you pansies still talking about crab cakes?

Posted by: daveb55 | August 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Sweeny,

I like that you defended your arguement, still buy none of it, but to much work to go into detail. So point is yours...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 18, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Now Rainn can concentrate on shooting the upcoming season of the office....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Lets face it, there are a lot of these DB's going to the practice squad, I expect them to stash Westbrook on there at some point. And anyone who thinks no.2 will be our no 3 QB is loco.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Jeeze, what, 3 preseason games by Mason and people are ready to trade Ladell, a 1000 yard rusher?


Wow.


Thank god yall aren't GM's, that is awful, awful ideas. And I like Mason just fine, but that's ridiculous.

And lol @ the hate on Rock all of sudden. Everybody complaining about the fact that they might not sign Rock about 6 months ago, and now everyone wants him to go.

And I'm coming along on Colt Brennan, I don't think he'll ever be a starter, but it looks like Zorn to be Wild wanted to groom a good backup to take over when Collins is gone, and I think Colt can do it.


Also, nate I'll def email you today after work!

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

+++Also, today is LaVar's 1st day on the radio at 1pm. Don't know what thew convo will be, but there is no way he can't include the redskins since he is doing a DC Radio gig.++++


Well we know he won't be discussing the defense's playbook.

Best line EVER about Mr. freelance, after he left to join the GIants, someone asked if they were afraid he would give away some defensive formations to the New York Squad. Answer: I'm not sure LaVar ever knew our Defensive formations." (Paraphrase.)

Helps explain why that big dud never lived up to expectations. He paid about as much attention to his playbook as he did to the fine print on his contract.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

NEW YORK (AP) — Live telecasts of eight NFL games will be shown on mobile phones this season.
Sprint announced Monday that the Thursday and Saturday broadcasts on NFL Network will be free for subscribers to its data service plans. Those customers will also be able to listen to the live radio calls of both the home and away teams for all regular-season games on their phones.

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

+++We're not overpaying ARE just so he can play #2 WR.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 7:11 AM++

Why not? Good #2 WRs are worth the money. Ask Indy. Or NE. Or Cincy's T.J. Whatsisfacemenzadaddy.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Gawd dang-it when are they going to announce the web streaming package that is available overseas to us domestically. MLB has made a killing doing that, and increased the brand awareness of mlb.com!!!!!!!

its 2008, I am willing to pay a kings ransom...LET ME BUY THE GAMES ONLINE!!!!!!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What does TCCL mean?

Posted by: fifthorkid | August 15, 2008 9:26 PM

Tom Cruise Couch Leap. I think the idea is the more leaps the better something is. Half think it is cool, other half kinda lame. Count me in the latter. Any mention of Tom Cruise is weak unless you are poking fun of scientologists.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 9:39 PM

Personally, I had a shudder up my spine right before getting up at half time as Comcast went to commercial ... with the black Ray-Banned TCCLer grinning ... I shudder thinking about it.

Truth, don't count me as a Ladell trader. My point was that that was Rock's best hope, not that I want to trade Ladell. I would prefer to the 2006 late season Ladell (like the guy who showed up on Saturday in the Meadowlands), though I recognize that Portis' production actually INCREASES as the game wears on (maybe its just that Portis wears down defenses).

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

+++Jeeze, what, 3 preseason games by Mason and people are ready to trade Ladell, a 1000 yard rusher?

Wow.+++

Relax. betts isn't going anywhere. However, he's played--what?-six years and rushed for 1,000 yard exactly once. He's oft-injured adn definitely not a #1 running bac. But he has had a very good preseason and makes the team easy, IMO.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Truth, I'm also not hating on Rock ... I'm just reading tea leaves.

The Truth should read first for the purpose of understanding ... the Truth should not read first for the purpose of replying.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

+++NEW YORK (AP) — Live telecasts of eight NFL games will be shown on mobile phones this season.

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 11:14 AM+++

Great news! Nothing says NFL football more than squinting at a one inch screen.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

My other sigh of relief ... turns out Brooks CAN hold. [Which is the reason I thought Suisham pooped against the Colts.] After the second FG, before cutting to the commercial, the camera cut to Suisham slapping a relieved looking low five to Allbright.*

* Roster lock ... for as long as he feels like it.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

is anyone else impressed with Rookie #41 Kareem Moore besides me. he seems to be a ball hawk and if he sticks around and is able to put on another 5-10 pounds of muscle he be dangerous

Posted by: Great One | August 18, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

In dcsween's recommendations to Coach Jimzorn, the following rookies have earned their logos: Kareem Moore, Chris Horton, and Durant Brooks (though I recognize that it might be better form to wait till Frost is cut before giving Brooks the logo).

Rinehart would have gotten his logo but for giving up on his block and releasing this assignment to the small of The Todd's back.

Fred Davis is close to getting his logo, esp. for his s-teams performance.

For where we are in the preseason, I spent most of my energy watching special teams. Am I a loser to spend so much attention to special teams? Yes, why thanks for noticing. But special teams (esp. the "other ten guys") have been a consistent strength for the Skins over the 3-4 years.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

JC needs Yao Ming as an option for those high and off target throws. TC looks confused like Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Whambulance | August 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Great One, I give Moore the game ball from the Jets game.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Jeeze, what, 3 preseason games by Mason and people are ready to trade Ladell, a 1000 yard rusher?


Wow.

Thank god yall aren't GM's, that is awful, awful ideas. And I like Mason just fine, but that's ridiculous.

.................

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 11:14 AM

Truth, if you were here last preseason you would know I have been consistently saying the same thing since last year. Trade Betts and insert Mason as the #2 RB and leave Rock at #3.

Betts didn't do a great job last year so I feel vindicated. But, it's a new offense so maybe he'll turn out different. Maybe not, though......

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | August 18, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

We're keeping all four running backs, it's simple.

And why are we keeping Rock? Because he is the DEFINITION OF A REDSKIN.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

From JLC's Q&A, I asked about the RB situation:

Washington D.C. : Lot of chatter on RI and the radio type talk about the battle at RB. From what I can tell you seem to be in the keep 4 RB's camp, is that right? Also If a trade were to occur, what would the cap hit be with Betts, and would we get more for him over Mason, could we get a 2nd rounder for either of them as we lost one for JT?

Jason La Canfora: I don't see anyway they trade Ladell. You need two proven backs in this league, especially considering how the last few years have gone with Portis, and Betts's contract isn't a big hit against the cap.

If anything maybe you trade MArcus or Rock, but Rock was a UFA and got no real sniffs, so you're not gonna get much for him, plus he's huge on teams. And teams figure that if they don't trade for Marcus they might be able to get him on waivers eventually.

I think they carry 4 RBs to start the season and let the thing play out.

No way they're getting anything close to a second rounder.
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My thought on this whole thing is that in the end this is a good problem to have as a team.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Because someone post a comment that says one player looks better than another player does not mean they are hating on said player.

Mason is a better running back than Rock at this point. Is he a better STer? No, but if we look beyond this year, it makes more sense to keep Mason over Rock. Outside of kick returning, some of the young DB can replace Rock on ST. Thrash can return kickoffs, so Rock's value is not as high as some think.

Posted by: donj1963 | August 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Well 4th this isn't the first time you've been completely wrong.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I was the Marcus Mason of the 2003 preseason.

Posted by: Sultan McCullough | August 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Who??


Oh, I get it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I was the Marcus Mason of the 2003 preseason.

Posted by: Sultan McCullough | August 18, 2008 11:36 AM

Only a true die hard skin fan or a USC would know this person was on our team

Posted by: Great One | August 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

TC looks confused like Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Whambulance | August 18, 2008 11:30 AM

LMAO! Post of the day.

Posted by: jm220 | August 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

anyone know if when brett favre threw that td pass if it was Rocky's assignment or it was Kareem moore's assignment?

Posted by: Great One | August 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

donj1963

Do you really see Thrash still around in 2-3 years? Even in the league? I mean he is a respected player but at his age he is probably retired soon.

Rock at 26 has something between 4-8 years left baring injury to be a solid return man like how BMitch was for so long. I don't see Thrash beating Rock at this point.

But then I don't run the team so anything can happen.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I was Marcus Mason before there was a Marcus Mason.

Posted by: Kenny Watson | August 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

who likes pickles with their ham-n-cheese?

Posted by: | August 18, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Well 4th this isn't the first time you've been completely wrong.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 11:35 AM

Lucky for you, have decided to control my anger starting over the weekend.

Let this be known. Who hasn't been completely wrong on a subject? Such as the Bulldogs winning the title......

Now that I am rereading your comment you must have have misread mine. I said I feel vindicated. Where was I wrong?

Just make sure you sign up fantasy football and make sure you odn't go 0-14....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

OG Barno does !

Posted by: Johnny Bamboo | August 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Sorry brown, I don't agree with that statement. How can you say that he's more valuable overall because of his special team performance. So people who are special team standouts, for the MAJORITY of their careers are untouchable?

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 10:11 AM

I never said Rock was untouchable. Just more valuable than an undrafted rookie who had a couple of nice preseason games.

As for your argument earlier than Rock's 26 yards per return average is on his blockers: you can say that about EVERY return man! The only guy with a prayer without quality blocking is Devin Hester. He at least hangs on to the ball, so you'll need to find another reason to hate on Rock.

As was stated earlier, there are guys every year who step up in preseason and become "Mr. August". Once upon a time, it was James Thrash. The anon above threw Sultan McCullough's name out there (which I haven't heard since 2003). Every once in a while you'll get a stud, but most times it's a guy who just gets remembered fondly on a blog like Sultan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Prison Balls ??

Posted by: Peter North | August 18, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Alex, no I do not see Thrash around beyound this year. Actually dissapointed that the young WRs were not up to beating him out this year. What I am saying is that Thrash can return kickoffs this year so that we do not have to keep 4 RBs.

But like you, there is a reason I am not the ST coach or GM.

Posted by: donj1963 | August 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Just make sure you sign up fantasy football and make sure you odn't go 0-14....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 11:50 AM

Was me.....

Posted by: 4th | August 18, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

+++We're not overpaying ARE just so he can play #2 WR.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 7:11 AM++

Why not? Good #2 WRs are worth the money. Ask Indy. Or NE. Or Cincy's T.J. Whatsisfacemenzadaddy.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 11:17 AM

They are worth the money...when they aren't better suited to be a #3. Just about every expert I've heard has said that ARE is at his best in the slot and returning punts (a la Wes Welker). I'm pretty sure Welker isn't pulling in ARE money.

By the way, the Kenny Watson anon is making a very subtle, but good point. Does anyone who is crying to have Marcus Mason even remember us having Kenny Watson? Do you remember him having stellar preseason games and returning kicks? Are you aware that he's doing many of the same things in Cincinnati? I think he even had a 100 yard game in Rudi Johnson's absense last year. I remember being pissed that the Skins cut him, but our stable of RBs has been pretty good since then, agreed?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood, I agree with you on Watson. How he and Betts were not kicking Trung Candidates @$$ I will never know.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

That was me making that reference.

Posted by: Kenny Watson's Mom | August 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I will be forgotten this time next year.

Posted by: Anthony Mason | August 18, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

But you gotta admit you guys loved my name ? Tell Dan & Vin-rock thanks for everything too.

Posted by: Trung Candidate | August 18, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I will be forgotten this time next year.

Posted by: Anthony Mason | August 18, 2008 12:07 PM

You are already forgotton or not known. Are you Anthony MIX or MARCUS Mason?

Posted by: donj1963 | August 18, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I will be forgotten this time next year.

Posted by: Anthony Mason | August 18, 2008 12:07 PM

Is this the correspondent for CBS News, or the former Knicks power forward?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until we get a thread entitled "Marcus Mason Is Gone". That mother f*cker's got NOTHING on me!

Posted by: Rock Cartwright | August 18, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Rock is right. I'm totally playing you guys. As soon as the calendar strikes September, my usefulness ends.

Posted by: Marcus Mason | August 18, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, great. Bring up the Knicks. Haven't you caused me enough pain with your constant references to Herm the Germ and the Cheeves?

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood, I agree with you on Watson. How he and Betts were not kicking Trung Candidates @$$ I will never know.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 18, 2008 12:05 PM

Because we had Steve "Hindsight's 50/50" Spurrier calling the shots. The guy who ran the fastest 40 time was the guy who started at every position.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I don't want him here anyway, he runs hard always and doesn't just go down. He never complains about PT, he never takes himself out of game...heck I don't even think the guys eaten dinner at Danny's house.

I mean what kind of running back does he think he is?

Posted by: Clinton Portis | August 18, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

As soon as you guys drop that zero Marcus Mason tell Vinny to give me a call.

Posted by: Ki-Jana Carter | August 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Skins didnt look so hot this weekend. Had a chance to catch the game at a sports bar in New Jersey. Should have seen all the freaking Green Bay Favre jerseys.

The stores here in Jersey already have the Jets ones made

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

anyone know if when brett favre threw that td pass if it was Rocky's assignment or it was Kareem moore's assignment?

Posted by: Great One | August 18, 2008 11:44 AM

My notes (no TiVo at my crib) says Rocky missed coverage.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Rock is right. I'm totally playing you guys. As soon as the calendar strikes September, my usefulness ends.

Posted by: Marcus Mason | August 18, 2008 12:17 PM

Mason will get on a team's practice squad. Good tackling dummys are hard to find.

Posted by: Whambulance | August 18, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Looking back at the draft

I thought...would yall rather have Calais Campbell and Quentin Groves or Fred Davis and Malcom Kelly? This is considering you could go back today and make the choice knowing what you know.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I mean what kind of running back does he think he is?

Posted by: Clinton Portis | August 18, 2008 12:20 PM

Don't worry, CP. We've got NOTHING to worry about...just keep makin' up characters on NFLN.

Posted by: Ladell Betts | August 18, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice the shellacking (sp?) that the first team Cowboys took from the first team Broncos? In other news, Cutler is a man on fire.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I thought...would yall rather have Calais Campbell and Quentin Groves or Fred Davis and Malcom Kelly? This is considering you could go back today and make the choice knowing what you know.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 18, 2008 12:28 PM

I'd take the DEs 10 times out of 10. It's FAR more important to have a nice rotation of DEs than it is to have a bunch of pass catchers on a running team. Plus we wouldn't have to give up a 2nd rounder to get JT.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, CP. We've got NOTHING to worry about...just keep makin' up characters on NFLN.

Posted by: Ladell Betts | August 18, 2008 12:28 PM


Freakin' Hilarious !!!

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 18, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice the shellacking (sp?) that the first team Cowboys took from the first team Broncos? In other news, Cutler is a man on fire.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:30 PM

ANY crushing of Dallas is a good crushing. I'm just mad they didn't get anyone hurt.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

DO-ITCH BIG !!

Posted by: Slippery Richard | August 18, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cheyenne, I was at JFK this morning and within a few minutes of stepping off the plane saw a chooch swaggering around in a gleaming new Favre Jets jersey. Ugh.

It did take my mind off the fat kid in the Kiwanuka Jints jersey who was on the plane, though.

But the whole thing reminded me that our first team had better play better than they did Saturday when it's for real, two weeks hence, in that godforsaken heap in the Jersey swampland...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

... The only guy with a prayer without quality blocking is Devin Hester. ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 11:51 AM

Josh Cribbs (Browns) is better than Devin Hester. Hester had a fluky year on those (many many) touchdowns.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I like Clinton Portis but consider what Jason wrote today in the chat session (attached below) and what he has written in the past. Do we need to worry about an unusually close relationship with ownership here (ala LaVar and Bruce Smith)? I think Clinton is overall our best back (running, blocking, receiving) but if he struggles, Betts and company are not far behind. Would that cause a problem? We sure as heck cannot cut Clinton for a number of years given his enornmous cap number.

. . .

Jason La Canfora: I didn't write the sentence - that's from Jason Reid's game story; I did a column on Monty/Golston.

I'm not going to speak for him, but I also don't think he was trying to say there is a direct relation to that, only pointing out how popular Portis is with the power that be at the top of this organization.

Now, I will say this. Do I, me, Jason La Canfora, beleive that most front offices would have given Portis 4 new contracts in 5 years and given him another $16 million guarnateed this past March after averaging below the league average in yards per carry again? Hell now.

Were Portis's teammates shocked he got the deal - heck, that any RB got such a guaranteed deal, essentially guarnateed his salary and bonuses through 2010? Hell yeah.

Do I feel that the fact Portis is super tight with Snyder and Cerrato, has become the new favored son of theirs (ask LaVar how that often goes down in the end) - traveling to the Country Music Awards with them to meet other movers and shakers (Snyder's Dick Clark Productions handles the CMAs) has something to do with his repeated big paydays? Absolutely. And I'm hardly the only one.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | August 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not hating on Rock. I'm just not understanding the "Rock love". Most of the dudes that play on special teams are backups. I'm just not getting the "Hell no, Rock don't go" arguments up here.

Dude is a career backup. If he hasn't seen some serious PT thus far, chances are he never will.

"The Truth" in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on, please can the Gibbisms with the "Core Redskin" or "Real Redskin" talk. A real redskin is one who performs on the field. End of story.

As far as people screaming about Betts' 1K in 06', please enough already. As one "reg" would say (who also is anti-Mason, you know who you are) that was TWO years ago. Betts is sniffing 30 and Cartwright is a stand-out SPECIAL TEAMER and CAREER back-up.

Give a guy who's younger a REAL chance to show what he can do. Its funny how some of you to be hating on the guy, when most in the know say dudes either "off the bubble", "the reason they will carry 4 RBs", or rasing the question of who's expendable, Rock or Betts.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I mean what kind of running back does he think he is?

Posted by: Clinton Portis | August 18, 2008 12:20 PM

Don't worry, CP. We've got NOTHING to worry about...just keep makin' up characters on NFLN.

Posted by: Ladell Betts | August 18, 2008 12:28 PM

Whew thanks Ladell, nice running this preseason by the way. Now go get me a coffee and I'll put in a good word with the big man when play golf later today...I mean when I'm sitting out practice cause my ankle is sore.

Posted by: Skinz | August 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Bah I blew it, that was supposed to be CP :)

Posted by: Skinz | August 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

12:41 was me.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Josh Cribbs (Browns) is better than Devin Hester. Hester had a fluky year on those (many many) touchdowns.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:37 PM

Um, which would that be? Would that be '06 when he had 6, or '07 when he had another 6?

You're batting .000 today in my book, Sween. Regardless of the particulars, Hester has about as many touchdowns in two years as B-Mitch had in a decade and a half.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

JTut, with CP I'm not worried, primarily b/c I'm a believer in CP as a gamer and a team man. Plus, it seems like CP is as tight, if not tighter, with Betts as Sean Taylor was with Ryan Clark. Those two have played together for MANY years. I always did think LaVar was a free-lancer ... and Bruce Smith was just a mistake that I really think The Owner has learned from.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

How tall would Fincher be if he had a neck? Dude looks like an Action Figure. I'd hate to be the guy telling him his services are no longer needed.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | August 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

brown, I'm not hating on Rock. I'm just not understanding the "Rock love". Most of the dudes that play on special teams are backups. I'm just not getting the "Hell no, Rock don't go" arguments up here.


I'll repeat Red: I'm not saying Rock is the next coming of Riggo, I'm only saying the guy is a cut above an undrafted rookie who's looked good against backups in preseason games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So, Brownwood, what you are saying is THIS YEAR, if we had drafted a defensive end, he would have stepped right in and we wouldn't have had to trade for a defensive end? Don't think so...unless you look at this time as a rebuilding team, and can afford to let a guy play 16 games of on the job training. I don't think any one does.

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Nothing fluky about Hester. I will agree with b-wood26 about the fact that he's the only guy who doesn't entirely rely on his blockers for returns.

Hester has incredible vision. I think his visor is equipped with a flex capacitor.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm only saying the guy is a cut above an undrafted rookie who's looked good against backups in preseason games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 18, 2008 12:51 PM

Duly noted, sir. Somewhat agreed... somewhat.

*Betts/Rock vs. Mason argument off*

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, Hester fumbled more often than Cribbs. Cribbs has a better return average on KR (Hester on PR). Cribbs has more total yards (both KR and PR) and in his lesser capacity as back up WR, he has shown more than Hester. [I recall that Bears have thought about moving Hester to CB.] That said, I'm glad I don't have to worry about my batting average (as an NL pitcher).

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

beepbeep

Posted by: Cindy | August 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Cribbs and Hester are both leaps and bounds better than any other KR in the league right now. Although that (R) Leodis McKelvin looks to be pretty damn swell on returns also.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Nothing fluky about Hester. I will agree with b-wood26 about the fact that he's the only guy who doesn't entirely rely on his blockers for returns.

Hester has incredible vision. I think his visor is equipped with a flex capacitor.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 18, 2008 12:54 PM

I'm not denying that Hester is a talent on punt returns, but he does rely on his blockers on his returns ... watch next time how he catches while running forward and laterally, then slides laterally toward and behind his wedge until he finds his gap. Chicago's wedge does not start out as tightly as other teams, and they move laterally and forward toward the center of the field too. I'm just saying that Cribbs is better (and was within a couple of TDs of Hester's 6). On this point, the "other ten guys" on the Bears and the Browns cannot be underappreciated when evaluating either guy.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"I recall that Bears have thought about moving Hester to CB"

Hester was a CB...converted to WR last season...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hester was a CB...converted to WR last season...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM

So I'm half right ... Hester has a hard time holding down a job.

Posted by: dcsween | August 18, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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