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Rich Tandler - Guest Blog

Rich is a bigtime Skins fan, a good dude and someone who has spent a lot of time researching the franchise (I have several of his books and they come in handy all the time on this beat).

He is the author of The Redskins From A to Z ( ) and the dean of Redskins bloggers, having maintained the cleverly-titled Tandler's Redskins Blog ( since 2004. On October 12, I marked the 40 th anniversary of attending my first Redskins game.

Here are his thoughts about Gibbs 2.0. (Personally, I think his take on the personnel moves of this regime on the whole is too favorable, given the money and assets spent to procure these players, but that's just me).

Rich writes:

Did We Have Gibbs II Backwards?

Maybe we had this Gibbs II thing all wrong.

When Joe Gibbs came back in 2004 with what amounted to total control of football operations, the conventional wisdom was that this was good and bad. It was good because Gibbs was without peer when it came to matters of preparation, game planning, and in-game strategy. The down side was that his ability as an evaluator of personnel was not thought to be nearly as strong as his ability to prepare players for a trip to Dallas. Redskins loyalists fervently hoped that Gibbs the coach would be able to overcome the missteps of Gibbs the personnel guy.

Three years and 13 games into Gibbs' return it looks like the conventional wisdom had it exactly backwards.

In general, when you're watching a game unfold, the Redskins don't seem to have any particular edge over their opponents in the coaching department. In fact, they generally seem to be a step or two behind the opposition. The play calling has been unimaginative, both before and after the addition of Al Saunders. The Redskins always seem to make more dumb mistakes than the other team. The game management, including clock management, has been unimpressive at best, horrid at worst. If you're reading this, you don't need a list of particulars here.

The whole tenor taken by the team is beyond conservative, it's cautious. Maybe he'll change and become more aggressive. We've seen flashes like we saw on that last TD drive against the Bears. But it's unlikely that this leopard will change his spots.

Coach Gibbs II has been, and is likely to remain, a major disappointment.

General Manager Gibbs, however, is another story.

Gibbs has collected a pretty good array of talent. Start with one of his more controversial acquisitions, Jason Campbell. He has a lot of developing yet to do but he has a chance at being very good. Gibbs traded for Clinton Portis and Santana Moss and they now hold the team records for rushing yardage in a season and receiving yardage in a season respectively. Antwaan Randle El is developing into a solid receiver. Chris Cooley is one of the league's best tight ends.

On the defensive side, LaRon Landry and Rocky McIntosh could end up playing in multiple Pro Bowls. Carlos Rogers seemed to have figured out how to be a solid corner before he got injured. Andre Carter should have a few top prime seasons left and he's become a one-man wrecking crew. Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery should develop into solid starters.

Of course, the one who could have been the best of them all, the crown jewel of Gibbs II, Sean Taylor, was taken from the team and its fans (not to mention his family and friends) way too early.

Certainly, there have been mistakes. There is heavy buyer's remorse over the Brandon Lloyd trade and contract. Other draft picks have been flat-out wasted (cough, Duckett, cough). There has been the good, the bad, and the Adam Archuleta. A whole chapter in the history book of Gibbs will revolve around Mark Brunell. But there have been some pretty impressive hits along with the misses.

When Gibbs left the Redskins after the 1992 season the core of talent that had won him multiple Super Bowls had grown old and the replacements weren't nearly as good. Or maybe they were and Gibbs wasn't around to get the most out of their talent and put them in situations where they could succeed. In any case, the team has been in an extended funk ever since that day.

Looking at the roster now, it's possible to conclude that Gibbs has assembled the core of his fourth Super Bowl championship team. The ultimate irony is that it's likely that someone else will have to take over to coach the players that Gibbs selected for them to get the most out of their ability.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 8, 2007; 10:05 AM ET
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Good post. I disagree on several points. All the defensive linemen listed are second-tier in my opinion, as is Carlos Rogers. Portis has been great but his best years may be behind him.

Where Gibbs the GM has really succeeded, however, is drafting/acquiring top "character" guys. People like Rock Cartwright and James Thrash may never be all-pros, but they hold this team together through disappointment, injuries and (this season) tragedy. Between Gibbs's player acquisitions and his motivational abilities, he hasn't lost the team in this most trying of seasons.

The real gems of Gibbs 2.0 have been the players who can both change the game with their abilities and serve as a beacon of character in the locker room and around the league. Jason Campbell, Marcus Washington, Randy Thomas and Shawn Springs are among the guys who fit this bill, and they were all brought in by Gibbs.

I would be happy to see Gibbs stay on as GM once he decides to leave the sideline. While he's made some serious mistakes (TJ Duckett, TJ Duckett, TJ Duckett), he's been far better than anyone else in the front office since Casserly left.

Posted by: drischord | December 8, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this counts as a Gibbs decision, or Greg Williams, but the acquisition of London Flethcher was huge. He has been playing at a pro-bowl level all year and if the team had won 2 or 3 of those blown games people might be talking about him for defensive MVP. Over-all I agree with Jasno - we have assembled some good guys but the amount of money spent and draft picks invested tempers my enthusiasm.

Posted by: MrDumberton | December 8, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Has Reche Caldwell shattered Brandon Lloyd's stats yet?? Lloyd is the most useless Redskins I have ever seen! At least Desmond Howard returned punts.

Posted by: jimwell | December 8, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

i am pretty much down with Rich's take here, although he does gloss over some big mistakes in personel...

One thing that has been good, is I do think Gibbs 2.0 has changed the culture at Redskins Park a bit and taught Snder how to run a better oganization. Not firing secrataries, building structures, creating a more productive work enviornmet, and less of a revolving door with players/coaches etc.

I do think those things have been improved which will help the next regime. To me, that will be his second legacy. Although I will admit not something that is that thrilling to root for on Sundays....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 8, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the assesment is fair. Clearly Gibbs 2.0 isn't what left here in '92. We look timid, act meek. Old people scre* with more creativity and energy than we show in the play calling.

I would like to see Gibbs remain with the organization in a front-office capacity, but we need someone with energy, vision and a very hands on style. The talent is there, but for various reasons it remains latent.

Posted by: erthdog | December 8, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

i have always enjoyed reading tandler's take on things and this is no exception.

i dont think the play calling is that much different from gibbs 1.. it is that the players he has assembled on offense are not as efficient, or well suited for those plays. that goes to gibbs the "gm". dont forget that for the first portion of gibbs 1 he had bobby beathard in charge of personnel. if one were to be cruel (or accurate) one could say that when gibbs wrested control over the roster fully from beathard is when the decline of the overall strength of the roster began.

with the implementation of the salary cap and free agency the penalty for making draft mistakes was elevated. missing on guys like des howard caused a hangover for years

there is no question that gibbs has the respect of the vast majority of the roster.. although gaffes like the twin time out calls have to have some players questioning his mindset.. finally, one of the reasons that gibbs 1 was so adaptable to opponents was the defensive brilliance of richie pettibone, who had about the same degree of independence in calling the defenses that williams does now (although with probably less input into the draft
that GW has given the use of the top pick 4 straight years). it is simply that gibbs has given his trust and tied himself to someone who isnt half the defensive mind of RP

all in all, if this were any coach other than gibbs would there be any doubt as to what the decision would be if this team finishes out of the playoffs for the third time out of four years ? as much as i love gibbs and revere him for his past work, it is time for him to move off into the retirement he deserves

Posted by: seltzer | December 8, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree a little bit, though I read Tandler's stuff all the time, and generally agree with him.

Going down the Redskins roster, if you were picking an all-NFL team, you wouldn't take any of these guys first. Sean Taylor may have been the exception, and certainly some of these guys, Cooley and Campbell in particular, might one day develop into elite players. But everyone else is just very good.

And every week, some selection of these very good players gets torched by the opposing teams two or three elite players.

Who do we have that presents a matchup problem for anyone? Cooley. That's it.

Who do we have that needs to be double-teamed or spied on every play? Nobody.

Who do we have that you would comfortably say you'd go to in the clutch? Cooley. Maybe. Or who will come up with the big play on defense? Sean Springs came through in the Chicago game, but otherwise, you'd have been looking exclusively for #21.

I'm not saying this is a bad team, or that personnel acquisition has been bad. But it hasn't been exceptional, either. We haven't found the 6th round gems, and we haven't stolen any superstars in a trade.

The Portis trade I understand, because Champ Bailey was leaving no matter what. And maybe he's hampered by this line and some nagging injuries, but the running game has been a failure this year.

So no great players, and at least three colossal failures in Archuleta and Duckett and Lloyd.

As far as the player acquisition goes, I certainly wouldn't give a grade above
"B", and I think that's generous.

Posted by: jvwright | December 8, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

...Gibbs II Coach = D+/I Gibbs II GM: C+
The relative parity this time around magnifies coaching mistakes ... need to have game decisions win a game or 2 during the season [ instead we lose 1 - 2 each year ] ... time to move on to new coach ...

Posted by: bobeaston | December 8, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

from the last thread... the quotation "the definition of insanity is to repeat the same action, expecting a different result" is generally attributed Up Here to Norman Einstein...

Posted by: daggar | December 8, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I am amused by how hard people work to justify/explain Gibbs' performance.

His on-field coaching has been below average without debate.

This is a very average team with not a particularly optimistic future. The Skins are in the worst cap shape of any team (see P. King), and will soon enter the restructuring season where they try to free up some money for next year.

With the highest payroll in the league once again, Gibbs is faced with running the table this month in order to make the last playoff spot in the pathetic NFC.

The apologists amaze me.

Posted by: gdennie | December 8, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree with most of this. No excusing Lloyd, Archuleta and Duckett, but there is talent on this team. How many games have we lost this year despite being obviously more talented? NYG, Buffalo, home Philly, TB and nearly Arizona. Those 5 games should've been routs along the lines of the Detroit game, but weren't. This wasn't because of what those teams did, but what the Redskins failed to do. Bad play calling, awful red zone production, turnovers, penalties etc. To me that speaks to the coaching and not the talent level. Wasted draft picks? Bad trades and FA signings? Guilty on both counts. Nonetheless the cupboard is far from bare and really just needs depth in my mind (go back to the wasted draft picks for the culprit there). Regrettably, I do think it's time to take the keys from Joe and let someone else take them to the next level.

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 8, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

gdennie, you're spot on. Sports are fantastic because in the end, the only thing that matters is results. This franchise's results speak for themselves ever since the end of the Gibbs I era. The second Gibbs era appears to be just as futile as the first.

That said, making the playoffs two out of four years is a bottom line result that I think we, as fans, can live with, particularly given the abysmal product we've had to witness since the end of 1992. I think the deck is stacked against the 'Skins here on out, though. Winning two games on the road and three games against some pretty tough opponents, all with your backup QB...well, it would take a miracle, and some perfect football to pull that off.

As for the JC bashing on the previous thread... The dude is an NFL quarterback in one of the NFL's most fanatical cities. He (and all of us) have to expect and understand the fans' impatience. Again, results speak for themselves. Personally, I think it's way, way, way too early to judge JC's career. But to this point, it appears that he does not have the ability to carry a team on his back. Will he gain that ability? I'm betting on "yes", but I can certainly appreciate the opposing viewpoint.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 8, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

jvwright, are you a pre-registration regular or a newbie? You bring a solid analysis every time. Well done.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 8, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I usually really enjoy Tandler's take on things, and this is not exception.

However, why people still harp on conservativeness after the amount of passes over the past four games, alludes me. Even running in the 4th against Buffalo can make some sense when you consider Campbell's previous 4th quarter picks and the defense's job up to that point in the game.

Posted by: bhayesp | December 8, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe a 9-7 Skins record will get the Skins in the post season, particularly since they will hold three tie-breakers.

However, this will be very difficult.

Skins may very well be atleast 6 pt. dogs in each of their remaining games. Each of the games poses different challenges defensively (Giants - pass, Vikes - run), and the Skins running game is now a fading memory.

If Gibbs wins 7 or more, he will claim progress and prepare to collect is 5 large for '08. He may be a bad coach, but he's not a fool...

The only true hope here is Collins. With teams having tape on him now, I suspect teams will put more pressure on him to exploit his lack of mobility.

Posted by: gdennie | December 8, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

the real depressing thing is how winnable most of these games were....

my ranking of terrible losses. lets remember...just one of these a W were in drivers seat now...

1. buffalo
2. green bay
3. philly
4. giants
5. TB

Posted by: chrislarry | December 8, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I really like a young group of Rogers, Landry, McIntosh then with Golston, Montgomery, Blades, and Doughty playing well at times.
Although if you look at the offense, we have a number of players getting paid top dollar for their positions, but simply not game changers. Randle El, Moss, and Portis are all in their prime. This is as good as they are right now. Portis is probably in the wrong system, and Randle El and Moss both would be much better lining up on the opposite side of a #1 WR - they are both really really good slot receivers.

Point being: Is Gibbs making all the personnel decisions or has he focused on offense and allowed Gregg Williams to focus on defense? Let's make sure credit goes to where it's deserved.

Posted by: showell81 | December 8, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse


True, but Gibbs unwittingly and inexplicably plays all games close with very little margin of error. Up 16-5 in the late 3rd Q two weeks ago, and he starts milking clock!

In his universe, most games will be winnable AND losable.

It just is his overall strategy and mindset.

Posted by: gdennie | December 8, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Diddy I also really like the contribution that JV brings...very solid on the money... What JV and maybe others are trying to say is we lack a few impact game changing players ....Gibbs has assembled a good overall roster of contributors but we really need a big time play maker at reciever and running back and at least one Defensive lineman....those players IF we had them current roster would look a whole lot is a league about play makers QB wr rb de ....Our QB someday maybe( soon i hope) but I am not convinced about Moss and certainly not portis clearly no front seven player on defense....Gibbs has tried and failed to get the impact guy right even though we have spent lots of money on and given plenty of opportunity to Portis, Moss and Griffin...who are solid citizens, great teamates, great people, i'm sure super smart.....but bottom line very little in the way of consistent game breaking play

Posted by: Oldschool | December 8, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has, ironically, drafted well. Extremely well, actually. A lot of top picks are busts. But the worst of Gibbs high picks was Rogers, and he is a marginal starter, not a bust. Taylor, Campbell, McIntosh and Landry have all been very good picks, though Taylor was clearly the jewel and his loss hurts on so many levels.

Even the lower round picks have had some nice results. But despite picking well, he gives up draft picks for 'talent' and when its TJ or Lloyd, its awful.

The real problem with Gibbs the GM is that he overspends and puts the team into salary cap hell. Which means it gets tricky to resign our good players. For example, Dockery couldn't be resigned at a reasonable price without needing to meddle with other contracts. By the time a signing window came around, Dockery was a whole lot more valuable as a FA and the only good young lineman we had was gone. That is what cap hell does. And its ugliest day may be still ahead of us.

The other plus to Gibbs is the loyalty he brings. A season this tough would fracture most teams. We'll see what happens going forward, but they are together now and that is no small achievement.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

daggar, you do know that Norman Einstein was a genius, his class valedictorian in HS (really, its true!!)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not impressed with Gibbs as coach or as general manager. This roster is not the "core" of anything except more of the same.

There are some players who could contribute to any team in the league, but overall the roster lacks depth and is very unbalanced. All those wide receivers have just dropped too many passes this year and haven't made plays. The O-Line is super-annuated and the depth isn't there. We can't run or protect the QB.

These last few games should be about giving some young guys a chance, but is there anyone that we really want to see more of? Mix? Blades?

I don't see much to look forward to because of all the wasted draft picks under this less-than-adequate GM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 8, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse


True, but Gibbs unwittingly and inexplicably plays all games close with very little margin of error. Up 16-5 in the late 3rd Q two weeks ago, and he starts milking clock!

In his universe, most games will be winnable AND losable.

It just is his overall strategy and mindset.

Posted by: gdennie | December 8, 2007 03:37 PM

Up 16-5 the offense then committed back to back turnovers. Both by the way during pass attempts. Hardly sitting on a lead. With the turnovers and the pathetic pass blocking I fully understand why they ran the ball with two minutes left. After all you would think giving the ball to a rookie with 5 starts and over 50yds to move in less then 1 minute and no timeouts would be a safe bet for a "top ten" defense. Oh well hindsight is always 20/20

Posted by: mbearden | December 8, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree that we need a playmaker. I mentioned on an earlier post that Chad Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Roy Williams(Lions) all want out of their teams. i thinks we should somehow trade for one of them particulary Williams and Fitz cuz of their 6'4 6'5 height.
Also with the passing of sean taylor..there is a huge gap at safety. but i was thinking ahead to the draft and looking at players and i think they should draft Kenny Phillips.. a safety ironically from the U and be the one that fills the gap. he is a playmaker at the position and has great range and tremendous potential from what i saw.
Just thinkin...
wat do some of u think of this

Posted by: mikejc80 | December 8, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This was a really good post. My take is this:

1) If you look at facts, Joe Gibbs has made a number of coaching errors. All coaches make mistakes, but some of his a exclusive to him, meaning ones that other NFL coaches make. I think this team follows Joe Gibbs' lead and his self-deprecating nature rubbs off on his players.

Gibbs' greatest sins are these:
1) He stuck with Brunell too long. Many NFL GM's would have cut Brunell 2 seasons ago.
2) He mishandled Clinton Portis' pre-season. Portis is a great player and one I would love to have on the team, but it's clear that Portis pretty much calls his own shots.
3) His game management is a problem and it has been a consistent one. A few errors here and there are acceptable, but not over the past four seasons

Gibbs' greatest successes are these:

1) Drafting Jason Campbell...A young QB needs time and talent.

2) He has assembled enough talent to win. This team should be in the playoffs, but I think due to game mismanagment, underperformance by key players conservative play calling, we are where we are.

3) The past off season. I don't think the Redskins get enough credit for the moves they made this offseason. Where would we be without Kendall, Fletcher, and Landry. These are players we cannon take for granted.

a) Gibbs as a coach has taken this team as far as it can go, but don't blow it up. This is a huge draft coming up. They need to upgrade at a few key postions, and add some depth. They need to make some tough decisions on cuts this off-season. Upgrade the team and give the keys to Greg Williams as the HC, Saunders as O-Coordinator.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 8, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has been good in his first 1-2 picks in the draft but their late round choices for the most part have been a disappointment. Aside from our two DT's that we have in the rotation who have we picked up in the late rounds? I feel like we have cut a fair amount of our late picks. That being said I think we have a good amount of undrafted rookies who have come in and could turn into contributers, Hoyer and I think Espy.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Are we sure it is Gibbs that is the part of the three-headed front office that determines salary. I wouldn't be surprised if that is Snyder's role. I remember how during his first tenure Gibbs was always commenting about how much he apprecited Cooke's willingness to pay whatever it took to get players. Based on that maybe he decides who he wants and Snyder determines the price.

Posted by: mbearden | December 8, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I always thought it was Vinny C who managed the salary and cap stuff, DS just would give a blank check and say go.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

No matter who the new HC and GM is Gibbs should be involved in the selection process, and stay on the team as an advisor.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

alex - The selection of draft choices based on potential is an inexact science. There seems to be little correlation at times to a player's ability to make it in the NFL, based on his college results.

Look at some notable recent draft picks: Tom Brady as a 6th round pick? Reggie Bush as a 1st round pick? Derek Anderson as a 6th round pick? David Carr as a 1st round pick? As I said earlier, an inexact science.

The Redskins did quite well to find Golston and Montgomery in the late rounds, but they tend to be the exception, rather than the rule. Late-round choices frequently get cut from teams that have above-average talent at the same positions as the draftees. Teams with lesser talent often have the room for lower-round picks to make it and stay around long enough to prove they have what it takes in the NFL. In many cases, it is the luck of the draw (draft) for an individual player - being drafted by the Browns might get you a career in football; being drafted by the Patriots might get you a career in stereo sales.

Just for the record, NONE of the Patriots' 2007 draft choices made the team.

The point is this: drafting good players in the early rounds is critical; drafting good players in the later rounds is a bonus.

Posted by: tafka | December 8, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse


Gibbs is not the GM. Didn't he stumble all over that question when it was asked to him a few years ago? He's the guy who said on TEM that the salary cap is the most over-rated thing in the NFL!

Ironically, things might be better if he actually was the GM. I doubt it though.

The dynamic of Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder et. al. is simply not working. We will never really know who calls what shots over there in the middle of the night - what we do know is that it does not work.

Snyder and Gibbs are stubborn beyond description. Their egos are immeasurable.

Cerrato is a embarrassingly slow who loves to go on the radio with Larry Michael and sound informed. To me, he comes across as a buffoon.

Posted by: gdennie | December 8, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Gibbs that the salary cap is the most overrated aspect of pro football. How many times have the Redskins overspent on mediocrities in the Snyder Era, and found themselves a year later not in "cap hell" but with plenty of extra cash to spare? The only really key players we haven't resigned recently were Dockery and Antonio Pierce. I liked Dock, but I'm not sure he was worth $49 million -- Pete Kendall has been nearly as good at a fraction of the price (and we can draft another OL to replace him in two years). Losing Pierce hurt, but I don't think it was a strictly financial decision -- if I remember right, he sort of came out of nowhere, and by '05 Greg just thought he could plug anyone in at MLB and get the job done. That was obviously a miscalculation, but I don't think it had anything to do with being in "cap hell." In any case the very next season we had plenty o' dough to get ARE, Lloyd, Carter, Archuleta, etc.

As for Tandler's larger point, I think he's basically right. We HAVE gotten some really solid starters via free agency and the draft, and the personnel decisions have been MUCH better than the pre-Gibbs Snyder years. Sure, we haven't picked up multiple all-pros, but that's setting the bar a bit high -- how many all-pro free agent signings are there each year? I'd give Gibbs 2.0 a C as a coach, and a B as a GM... not horrible, but certainly a disappointment from the A/A- level we all expected from the Hall of Famer.

Posted by: karpmj | December 8, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the comments, all. I agree with Jason that the team has squandered a lot of resources and with some of you that perhaps I didn't discuss the failures enough. I would only point out that Cass and Beathard had their share of them as well.

Still, whether Gibbs II ends this year or next, he still has the cupboard reasonably well stocked for his successor, especially when you compare it to 1992. The defensive starters that year were Mann, Buck, Tim Johnson, Stokes, Marshall, Gouveia, Collins, Mayhew, Green, Copeland, and Edwards. Mann and Marshall were studs in their primes, but they were well past it. Green is Green, in a class by himself. Other than that, spare parts.

On offense, you had Rypien, Byner, Clark, Monk, Middleton, Warren, Lachey, Simmons, McKenzie, Schlereth, and Simmons. Ryp lost what he had in a hurry, later decisions let Schlereth and McKenzie get away to later start for Super Bowl teams and Lachey lost what would have been a few more good years to injury. The rest either had their best seasons well in the rear-view mirror or never had any better than a mediocre year.

Posted by: rtandler | December 8, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the kudos, PDiddy and Oldschool. I suppose you'd call me a newbie to the blog, but I'm a long time 'skins fan.

Posted by: jvwright | December 8, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Guide to this weekend's games...who are we rooting for?

Giants over Eagles
Dallas over Detroit
SF over Minnesota
Seattle over Arizona
Atlanta over New Orleans

Posted by: PDiddy | December 8, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

You guys probably figured out Richard is a regular at buying kool-aide.

1 Chicken noodle has only proven he likes giving ball to the opposing D.
2 Carlos Rogers never proved anything except that Smoot is a more consistent DB then him. And thats not saying much!
3 Andre Carter has only sacked statues!
4 Portis & Moss both SUCKED this year Sure they have big games but not consistently and definately not worth the money!
5 Randle el is still an overpayed special team 3rd WR
6 Landry proves hes a head hunter who doesnt understand game!
7 Golston & Montgomery are backups on most teams.
8 Sean taylor was in his 4th year and was living off of his college reputation and his head hunter mentality!! He was a Pro bowl ALTERNATE (Dawkins got hurt) where he DESTROYED a PUNTER? a PUNTER? WOOHOO! in 3rd year and was one of the most abused safetys for TDs last YR!POTENTIAL is all he was!

FACTS kool-aide drinkers nothing but potential and alot of idiots,like this Richard who knows nothing about talent evaluation, Just like HOF bust GIBBY who has cob webs coming out of his nose!! sip sip gulp guzzle gulp burp FARRRRtttt WOW you guys stink

Posted by: kool-aide4sale | December 8, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ignoring my long standing policy of ITA - what you say does not even make sense, koolaide. I suppose TO got alligator arms when Sean was back there because of his 4 year old reputation from college, and the 5 picks before ST got hurt this year were all just a fantasy?

Why don't you go throw rocks at cars on the freeway? Your drive by postings have a stong resemblance to that activity.

Posted by: johndinhouston | December 8, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Amen, JohninHouston,

And let's not forget if I remember correctly, our beloved Sean Taylor was the player that broke TO's finger last season.

Posted by: Lisa | December 8, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

You have to look at Gibbs 2.0 as a narrative. He came in as a savior after the disaster that was hurricane Steve. What did Gibbs have to change, and what did he have to work with?
2002 QBs: Wuerffel, Matthews, Ramsey
2003 QBs: Ramsey, Hasselbeck, Rob Johnson, Gibran Hamdan
2003 Rushing leader: Trung C. (600 yards)
In short, a 5-11 team that was even worse on paper.
Look at who they signed on D:
DT C. Griffin
DE P. Daniels
DT J. Salave'a
LB A. Pierce (UFA, resigned)
LB M. Washington
CB S. Springs
CB W. Harris
FS S. Taylor
Here's who the lost on D:
CB C. Bailey

And that ragtag collection went from #24 to #3 on defense in one year.
And you wonder why Gibbs doesn't reject the build-through-free-agency method.

Posted by: daggar | December 8, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

So that was defense, on offense the cupboard was bare. Here were their "basic" offense needs:
QB - Ramsey was hurt at the end of the year, and he had suffered a couple of concussions
RB - A young Ladell Betts is about all they could claim; Rock was a 7th round project at that point.
TE/H-back - Not a position Spurrier seemed to recognize.
This assumes that a WR package of L. Coles, Gardner, Rod, and Taylor Jacobs would be considered our position of strength. I'll let your thoughts linger on that particular thought for a bit.

So, looking at it in context, I don't find the Brunell trade or the Portis trade to be outrageous. They overpaid in retrospect, but the situation was... desperate. And when you're tossing people overboard the way they were, maybe spending a fair amount of cap on somebody who looks like a project (even a 2nd or 3rd rounder) isn't that high a priority.

Posted by: daggar | December 8, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

It's Sunday w/ no Skins to watch. . . what to do??

Posted by: NCICURN | December 9, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Good job in the guest slot, Rich Tandler, but I prefer my history lessons served cload-style.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

*** fantasy f-ball post ***

Just wanted to note that after He Nate Me arrested a four-game skid with a gutsy win (just like the Skins!) over dcsween's team last weekend, this weekend we're facing jm220's team. At stake is last place in our division. Stay tuned, sports fans!

jm, that sound you hear is He Nate Me reaching for the hammer and smacking your entire fantasy team to the back of the head!

*** end fantasy post ***

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

It's Sunday w/ no Skins to watch. . . what to do??

Posted by: NCICURN | December 9, 2007 12:30 AM

This is the same dilemma I face 36 Sundays a year, and I can't remember how I used to solve it. I think my wife solves it for me. I'll ask her when she wakes up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

You don't get it...its not just the quality of the individual that is measured, but also the price paid to get that individual. Just about anybody can overpay with extra draft picks, personnel, and money and end up with some quality players. But ultimately it catches up with you. This is the Gibbs II problem from a personnel stand point. And when you combine this with him being 2 steps behind as a coach on and off the field, you have a mediocre team at best.

Posted by: oddjob1 | December 9, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse


You're right, only too easy on the blogger. It's one thing to overpay for Clinton Portis, Rocky MacIntosh, Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley, but we overpaid for Duckett, Lloyd, and Archuleta, who wouldn't have been good acquisitions at the vet minimums.

The result is no depth on the O-Line, fullback, or WR, and signing guys who are out of the league -- Godfrey, McCardell. This offseason is going to be a nightmare as we struggle to get under the cap.

How can the blogger claim this is a good GM? Okay, we're not Miami.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with a lot of the posts that Gibbs would make a good GM. The team really needs a firey coach that motivates and takes chances. I think Bill Cowher would make a great coach. Problem is I don't think he could work for the Danny.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | December 9, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It'll be kind of refreshing to watch a Sunday not cloaked in depression. I'm going to root for Dallas to finish off the Lions (GACK!) and enjoy Steelers-Pats (it'll be a NE rout BTW). I cooperated with 4 hours of Christmas shopping last night so I don't have to ask the wife about anything today!

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"It's one thing to overpay for Clinton Portis, Rocky MacIntosh, Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley,"

Macintosh is having a great season and will be a huge part of our defense for years to come; Campbell isn't proven yet but its way too early for anyone to know what he's going to become; and it would be literally impossible to overpay for Cooley who has fewer touchdown catches than only Antonio Gates among tight ends since he entered the league.

Posted by: trink | December 9, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Good God Olivia Newton-John's on TV pimping her new Christmas CD. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict it won't go platinum

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If we can agree that the team Spurrier left Joe was horrible and can agree that 2005 was a perfect storm and a fluke (Brunell was finished), then this team has quietly improved from both a coaching and player standpoint. This was probably a 10 win team that will finish either with 8 or 9 wins. We have all but one draft pick and a fairly yound team. Another Off Season superbowl and this could be the type of team the rest of the NFC will envy. Joe Gibbs did that. The defense is getting better and younger. The offense is no longer counting on the running game alone, although the staff acts like it (read here 4 straight losses). Pick another team in the NFC that can really boast an upside as big as ours. Dallas is great but TO is getting older and older. The defense isn't that great and the running backs aren't top flight. Green Bay is having a season like our 2005. We are better than anyone idn the NFC South (can anyone tell me why Carolina is a chic Superbowl pick every year?). Who is good in the NFC west other than the aging Seatle team? Add a possession WR, a quality 3rd down pass rusher, replace as best you can a great safety, and some depth through the draft and there should be actual hope. Clearly I am fan, but we are not talking about the Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Deon, and Jeff George years. I can't imagine another AA, Christian Fauria, and B LLyod off season. Having said that I guess we have been down this road before. We do have to admit Danny Boy has been on his best behavior though.

Posted by: ssh1549 | December 9, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Macintosh is having a great season and will be a huge part of our defense for years to come; Campbell isn't proven yet but its way too early for anyone to know what he's going to become; and it would be literally impossible to overpay for Cooley who has fewer touchdown catches than only Antonio Gates among tight ends since he entered the league.

Posted by: trink | December 9, 2007 09:53 AM

trink--Each one of these guys cost us multiple draft picks. That's overpaying, and that's why we don't have depth today and are sporting a 6-7 record.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The no depth is meme is a bit overstated, seems like we have some youth in some positions that has contributed. Only place where the lack of depth is glaring is O-line, and we did draft late there, but none of the dudes stuck.

We didn't over pay for cooley, campbell or rake them over the coals on those moves is dumb.

The picks we gave away we needed were in the picks for marginal players ie ducket, lloyd and throwing picks into the portis/champ deal.

On a side note, TJ rumbled for 31 yard TD today...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, ChrisLarry. Everyone keeps talking about our "lack of depth" but actually we were pretty deep at both the O line and secondary....until those areas were besieged with injuries.

We lost the entire right side of the O line during the first 2 games and 3 O linemen went down in the Packers game. As for the secondary, we lost Rogers and Sean (RIP #21) and both Springs and Smoot have been dinged up all season.

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

i've been sayin that Joe Gibbs has put together a solid core of guys all season. Bout time I got some backup on that sentiment.
next year, Campbell should be a beast in this offense. He just has to learn to get the ball out quicker or he's goin to end up like Byron Leftwich

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 9, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

ugh...jints lookin like junk......c'mon save that for next week and beat the eagles here!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

lisa, crislarry,

Remind me again about our depth at WR? We started the season with nothing but a prayer at that position. There should have been some young wideouts that could step up when the prayer was not answered, not James Thrash and Keenan McCardell and Reche Caldwell.

And who did we have to back up Sellers? And at LB, we had to bring in Randall Godfrey? He had retired.

These are all the extra draft picks we had to give up to get Cooley, Macintosh, and Campbell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

gotta root for dallas and they are sucking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The giants look like junk every week. We should be able to beat them but always play horrible at the meadowlands. Cowboys losing to the Lions. Thanks dix

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

i've been sayin that Joe Gibbs has put together a solid core of guys all season.

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 9, 2007 02:07 PM

"A solid core of guys" is not much to say for four years with the team. It should, by now, be a solid team, not just a "core." There are still too many needs and the needs are going to increase because many of the dudes, particularly the O line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

We got no depth at WR cause of #85 and his stealing of money. Lets just leave that alone. Plus busting on picks like Gardner and Taylor Jacobs. The depth isnt where it needs to be but is better than years past. We actually have picks this year so here is to hoping we hit on most of those.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

TE they drafted guys at all those positions that didn't stick, maybe they drafted bad certainly but they did make picks there, your arguement rings as hindsight...not to mention that you overlook areas such as DL, S, CB, and special teams where depth has proven valuable.

Your playing a what if game. the facts are the guys they did get are huge contributers, so you could say where would they be without cooley, rocky ect...

if campbell turns out to be good, than it will have been cheap and way less exspensive than teams that took QBs at top of draft who turned to be less than or equal to campbell....

also your discounting blades, heyer and others that could be depth going forward...

also you cant blame teams for injuries, Espy is healthy this year and he may have been the wr youth your whining about...

look the skins make a bunch of bad moves, beating them up over drafting players like rocky, jc, cooley....thats straight a waste off time...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse


#85 stole nothing. He got a gift from our supposedly fine GM, who gave him a contract with huge bonus without even watching him play a game in a Redskins uniform.

Gardner was a Marty pick and Jacobs was a Spurrier pick. Not sure what that has to do with Gibbs' tenure.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

my gawd how are the giants the first wildcard team....they suck!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

TE - every time a guy steps on the field and doesnt play with full effort that is stealing in my mind. If he was only paid 30K this year I would still consider it stealing. I know Gibbs didn't draft either WR. My point is if one of those guys were any good they would still be contributing to the team this year.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

LBM is so inaccurate.....its pathetic

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Drafting is always risky, but the more picks you have the more players you end up with on the roster. I'd even say that the 'Skins have done better than average with their picks recently, and it's too bad they didn't have more picks.

They lost picks two ways -- bad trades and trading up in the draft. In my first post above my point was that if you're going to give up picks, better to do it the second way -- trading up for good players -- than for Lloyd, Duckett. Fortunately, most of the trade-ups seem to have worked out well so far but, chrislarry, that's hindsight, isn't it?

I'm not backing off from my point that they cost us depth. Rocky was two number twos -- that should be two starters, not one, and when Duckett walked we had no one to replace him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Dockery, not Duckett. Duh.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Do we still have all our '08 picks or did we give one up for Kendall? Maybe for once we could trade DOWN for MORE picks instead of trying to move up for one guy. It worked out with JC, but I don't like that strategy at all. The draft is such a crapshoot, so I'd much rather have more shots, especially considering they've done a decent jobs with the few picks we've kept.

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

yo CL. Every time Manning gets blitzed he fades back and just throws it away. Williams better bring the heat all night next game.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

JS--We're short a fourth rounder this year for Duckett and a fourth rounder in 2008 for Kendall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

agreed cdubb, but even on a few plays he had time and a reciever he missed....did u see the TD attempt to shockey?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see our defense completely beat up the giants offense, williams better be blitzing. they have been doing great when blitzing.

Posted by: tweedr01 | December 9, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Kendall trade will be a #4 in 2009 I believe.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

And, JS, we did trade down before. We traded down twice in the first round and ended up picking up two extra picks -- third rounders, I think. With our first round pick -- the last pick in the round -- we chose a QB, Partick Ramsey.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You talking about the TD miss CL? If so yeah I saw it and Shockey punching the ground in obvious disgust.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Crazy as it sounds, there's a decent chance we could come within a game of the Gints next week. Even the 5th seed seems to be opening up now and a couple weeks ago they had a lock on it! What's worse, top 10 college teams fighting for who "deserves" to play for a championship or NFC teams fighting for who "deserves" a playoff spot

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

cdubb yeah that play....

fing cowpukes!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Forgot about that TE, but my point is the same. We need to be stockpiling picks

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The Lions still gotta play at SD and GB. They should lose at least 1 game. We have to win out. Minny should beat SF today.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

let me prestate: the skins to playoffs is a joke...

butt still possible and my philosophy until the final gun week 17 you scrap, claw and root...if lions and eagles win

so if lions and eagles win, do e start rootng for giants collapse to open 2 spots...u math types give me scenarios!

is worst case scenario today jints an lions win...

confused chris LaRry

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

don't worry, the Lions will screw it up when they go on the road. I'm more worried about the Vikings

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

JS, I agree, especially considering that the Redskins seem to make pretty good picks. Except for that Palmer guy last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

vikes best of the lot i agree but we got a game in our pocket so thats up to us.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Probably better if Gints knockout the Eagles cause it's not likely we'd catch them anyway. The Vikings are still the big worry no matter what. What to they have, at SF today? That would make the afternoon if they lose...

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Should we worry about NO if they beat the Falcons tomorrow?

Posted by: JS26121820 | December 9, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Seattle needs to beat Arizona today too. Skins to the playoffs is a complete pipe dream but I am choosing to toke that pipe till we lose another be it in NY or Minny.

The Norv Turner powerhouse offense is losing 17-3. At least JC shows flashes. Rivers just sucks.

Posted by: cdubb | December 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

You know, firing Marty and hiring Norv is one of the few GM moves that makes the Brandon Lloyd hiring look like a brilliant stroke. And I'm trying to think of another.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

How about firing Mrty, rehiring Vinny, hiring Steve Spurrier?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

While I ordinarily root against the Cowboys, I don't really want them to lose THIS game.....

Come on Iggles. The giants only have 8 wins are not yet in the playoffs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, I was going to think of that in a few minutes. Thanks for getting me there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

but 4th, shouldnt we root for the Giants to knock the eagles out here, have one less team in the running?

agreed, c'mon cowpukes....jaysis!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I can root for them to lose next week and the week after that.

Well, nevermind...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

f the cowboys

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

so...i am forced to watch browns v jets in nyc area....should i go to bar to watch pitt v ne??????

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought we wanted the Cowboys to win this and the next two so that when they came to DC they would have home field locked up and would leave all the hot dogs back in Dallas so they could rest up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I say go to a bar. :-)

Romo is impressive once again...

Akers' kick...NO GOOD. Giants win. Eagles are for all intents and purposes out of it.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

F! Missed that by inches....

We do want the cowboys to win.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Touchdown Dallas. Unbelievable. This could be their year...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse know we need a win by cowboys but snap i hate to see that....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

They just tuned in to the TD. Whew.

F Dallas
F Lions

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse


It could be their year except that it's the Patriots' year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I know as 'Skins fans we're all supposed to despise Romo, but, man, he's a winner. Now I'm just rooting for an early playoff exit :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

how do you let whitten run basically a practice pattern?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It's all about whose hot in December...

Last year no one would have picked the Colts to win.

The year before no one would have picked the Steelers to win.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

i am predicting jessica simpson will have trouble walking tomorrow.....

boo ya!

f romo...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Right, and this year no one's picking the Redskins to win.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That's how you take the ball down the field at crunch time to win. Jason Campbell take note.

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

cl--My money's on Jessica. Romo's going to have trouble walking tomorrow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 9, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

oh to be "little romo" for one marvelous 15 minutes....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

No one's picking the Dolphins either :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

yo pdiddy...u see 30 rock last wife thought i had gone insane i was laughing so hard..

"this corporation has a very distinct bros before hos policy"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"30 Rock" was GENIUS last week. Jack Donaghy is my hero.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

TE (I actually prefer to call you KK) I did not say we had depth at the WR position....I said we HAD depth on both the O line and Secondary at the beginning of the season. Alas, not any more.

ChrisLarry, one of the guys on the NFL Network pointed out that the Giants have only beaten losing guess that means we are again ripe for the picking.

ALL: Dallas has been blessed my the Gods this season. Can't explain it...don't understand and simply HATE it. Might as well face the fact they are going to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse


Is NE the only team not wearing the 21 sticker anymore???

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If you're one of the few who believe in the 'Skins chances of getting a playoff berth...everything is going according to plan today...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Jets don't appear to be wearing the "21" either...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins would have to win on the road at NY, on the road at Minnesota, and at home against Dallas in order to get a wildcard spot. I love my 'Skins, but there ain't no way that can happen. Start thinking about it and you'll just get all bummed next weekend. Forget it; concentrate on draft day.

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, we're fans of a sadsack franchise. What's the fun in not dreaming impossible dreams?

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

oh to be "little romo" for one marvelous 15 minutes....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 04:19 PM

What's the attraction of dark, wet and limp?

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Sure wish Jason had some of Romo's swagger in marching down the field late in the game. I hate the effin' Boys, but I sure do wish we could bottle some of what Romo has and give it in an IV to Campbell..

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

NFC EAST CHAMPIONS all you kool-aide drinking morons! Like ive said redskinettes & chicken noodle suck 7 AMERICAS team and ROMO-MANIA are #1 and as usual you on this blog eat your kool-aide words and like your sorry team you suck you suck you suck!! HEHAHEHAAHHWOOHOOHEHEHEHAHA dont worry as usual you will be going to SB next year? or not.
You idiots who like to point out that pathetic wild card win in 2005 as some kind of accomplishment need to know that the sorry redskinettes havent won the DIV in this DECADE! WHAT!!! Before you idiots stick your BALLS in your mouth a DIV title is far more difficult to win then backing into playoffs as last seed to win 1 game against another really bad team!! Ill be poping in to post with you dumbas* regulars who post under different post names because your COWARDS!!!!!

Posted by: ROMOFORPRESIDENT | December 9, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

well said pdiddy!

Soups, F that my man....

I can root for draft day, enough off season champs cr*p....

I know its delusional...but love FB and the skins b/c its while we have a wounded dawg in the fight I am gonna keep hopin, scrappin and rootin'

I just don't that loser mentality of not caring...we only get 16 of these a year and hoping to get 17 and keep on keepin on is what being a fan is about...

draft day, over games and playoff thank you...heart breaks and all....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Romo and JC have two totally different personalities. It's futile to ask one to be the other. You don't see Tom Brady running around the field acting like a 13 year old kid (and I do not mean that pejoratively...I really like Romo). JC just needs to close these games out, and right now, he can't. Will he be able to? I'd bet that one day he will. Right now? It's frustrating.

Speaking of Brady...the Pats are cruising against the Stillers. What was that Smith dude thinking? You don't piss on Superman's cape. Yeesh.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

CBS "FreezeCam" is interesting...they need to overlay the TeleStrator on top of it.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, so much for the Steelers beating the Cowboys.....looks like the Pats are going to go undefeated.

Koolaid, we may have a sad team (experienced far too many last minute losses, injuries, and the loss of a beloved player) but at least we are on the Redskins Insider blog supporting our team. You on the other hand are a TOTAL LOSER for being here. Your team just clinched the NFC East and you are on a Redskins blog? Now THAT'S PATHETIC!!!!!!

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Spoke too soon...Stillers staying in the game! This one might be fun...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Smith wanted to be somebody; now he's Brady's bi-atch!

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

RomoforPresident, my last note was meant for you...I know that you are the idiot formerly known as Koolaid.

Again, I can't stress enough how PATHETIC it is for a Cowboys fan to be blogging on a Redskins blog after their team just clinched the NFC East.

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

good stuff lisa...

enjoy your game...i am suffering through browns v jets...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Giants certainly are beatable; Vikings are on a darn good run of late; We played Dallas tough and should have won if not for Jason channeling Eli. It's not unheard of to run the table; just darned unlikely. See what you've done? Now I'm thinking of the possibilities....

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

there you go Soups, its more fun to hope! the off season teeth gnashing will come soon enough....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Pats took the #21 stickers off their helmets this week. You stay classy Belichek....

Posted by: 1buj | December 9, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take ROMOFORPRESIDENT. Can't say I agree with everything, but you make some reasoned arguments none the less. Welcome to the blog

Posted by: mack1 | December 9, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

OK; I'm on board! Let's get behind Todd squared (Collins and Yoder) and go whale the rats**t out of the Jints!

Posted by: Soups1 | December 9, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

todd squared 4 evah!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

this jets/browns is painful........

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

playoff scenarios:
detroit and arizona (down 17 at seattle now) losing has made it very clear for us now. Win the last 3 and we are in....NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

HOWEVER, we can all agree that winning out might be too much to look at it if we go 2-1 in the last 3...

NOTE: this is assuming that the last game against Dallas will be a win, considering that by then, the Cowgirls will have home-field locked up.

If the one game we lose is to the Giants, we need to hope that the Vikings lose to:
1. Chicago (MNF week 15 @ Minn)
2. @ Denver (Week 17)
assume that the Lions AND Cardinals lose one more game...lions will likely lose @ SD next week...Cards are @ NO, vs ATL, vs StL (our best hope would be losing @ NO next week)

if all that were to happen, we'd be the 6 seed.

If we were to lose to the Vikings,
we'd be screwed, because best that could happen would be for us to tie Vikings at end of season, and they'd have the tiebreaker.

Basically, our best hope is to win all 3 games. if not, a very very very very slight chance of making it if we lose to the giants.

sorry if i sounded way too homer for you guys. for me, at least, these wild playoff scenarios are what help me stay optimistic in what usually is a very irrelevant time of the season for Redskins fans.

Posted by: student1234 | December 9, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

much appreciated student1234!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Anything less than 9-7 and we don't deserve to be in the playoffs, even though it is possible.

Posted by: jimwell | December 9, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

So are the Vikes a one-dimensional team? If you can stop AP (and our run D is likely to be in better shape than our pass D), can T. Jackson really hurt you?

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse


you also have to stop chester taylor...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

With the Lions, Panthers - and now the Cards losing - the Redskins control their own destiny because Minnesota is on their schedule.

Win out, and it doesn't matter what any other team does, the Redskins are the 6th seed.

That should be motivation enough for this team.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. If the team can't execute, then they deserve to be pilloried by the media and fans. No excuses. Get it done.

In the meantime...Charissa Thompson, Fox sideline reporter: mmmmmmmm.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

No, Skins still dont control their own destiny. New Orleans is 5-7 with a better conference record. Without Bush, they don't scare me but unless they lose to the Falcons tomorrow, we don't control our own destiny.

Posted by: kreitman4 | December 9, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

does anyone control their own destiny really?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

true that kreitman.

it is, however, unreasonable to expect them to win out....but then again, nobody expects us to do anything w/o Campbell....we're much more handicapped than they are.

Posted by: student1234 | December 9, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"You're my density."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

destiny is overrated.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

What scheduling genius decided to give the New England Patriots 3 consecutive home games in the month of December (Pitt, NYJ & Miami)?

Obviously, we need to pool our money together and pay-off the schedule maker for next season.

Be nice to have 3 home games - in a row - at FedEx in December.

Heck, the Redskins didn't get 3 home games in a row at ANY point during this season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

PS: The New England Patriots never played 3 road games in a row at any point this season, so why they get 3 home games in a row is a mystery.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

f the pats

f the schedule

f the jints

f destiny

f the hills (wife watching)

f the afc

f the saints

f romo (thx for the win though)

f the vikes

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

density, however, is a pretty well understood property.
f = md

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

f ChRIS LarrY

--channeling jm

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr Redskin, Tom Brady had a baby on the way, and a really really hot girlfriend, so they organized the schedule for that.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the mysteries of the NFL scheduling wizard are pretty inscrutable, but if you know who's banging who it simplifies it a lot.

Poor Bal'more. 13-3 to 3-13. (Or whatever 4-9 extrapolates to)

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I almost feel sorry for the Ravens. Down 30 - zip w/ over 11 minutes left in the 2nd quarter? Are you kidding me? God, they stink.

Posted by: JustMe | December 9, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

We don't quite yet control our own destiny- we need the Saints to lose once to control it. They would finish with a 8-4 conference record, which would be better than our 7-5.

What would be wild would be we could depending on when our game with the Cowboys is on the last game of the season(if they flex it to Sunday night for instance)- we might even be able to rest our players if things broke right..

Posted by: stever2.geo | December 9, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, just put the kids to bed and came back to watch the ravens get back the 7 points I left with.... only problem is that the Colts had put up another 23 in the interim.
And they're giving manning the ball back.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse


you're right. actually, if
1. ATL beats NO at home tmw night
2. Detroit loses @ SD
3. Ariz loses @ NO
4. we beat NYG
5. Chi beats Minn on MNF
6. (WK16) We beat Minn
7. (WK16) Philly beats NO

we would not have to play the last game of the season. we would have 2 game lead over NO, and 1 game leads on Detroit, Ariz, Minnesota, and philly, with tiebreakers on all of them.

but i think the odds of winning powerball are slightly higher than all of that happening.

Posted by: student1234 | December 9, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

And Boller just throws a pick. Wow. That stadium is gonna be empty for the entire 2nd half.

Posted by: JustMe | December 9, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

funniest thing i read up here was someone saying that the skins are worse off now with todd collins at QB than! dude scores 2 TDs and no picks in a half and closes out a game vs. jc who was responsible for the last 4 losses and couldn't close out anything...

please tell me how you came to this conclusion after thursday night?

i'm not a scout and as someone correctly predicted up here i've never played in the NFL but all i know is under tc the offense looked fluid...

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Not "worse off," not necessarily "better off," but for sure they'll be "differently off" with Collins.

He's a different animal, and maybe he will prove challenging to our opposing D coordinators the next few weeks, since there is slightly less extant footage of him than of Bigfoot.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, but I've got some stills of Bigfoot doing... [ahem]
Collins has a body of work. A lean body of work over a long period, but a body of work nonetheless. He's had no time with the first team WRs (not that we have any of those), and he had one very good half against one team.
The path to the playoffs travels along his arm. If this had happened before we put ourselves in a pretty big hole, I'd be apprehensive. Now, I'm just gonna sit back and watch.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

did you guys read mike wise today?

here's a quote: "Saunders also won a Super Bowl ring in St. Louis under Vermeil as his quarterback coach to Kurt Warner --"

so how in the world does a QB coach get credit for the greatest show on turf? that was mike martz's offense. why are people so intent on giving weird al credit for that superbowl winning offense?

anyone? lisa?

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

don't count out #8 peeps!!! you never know we might need a couple more of his bombs against #31 in the last week.

let's hope the girls keep winning up until the last game.

btw, Nola is scary. i had no idea they'd won 5 games already. they only have atl, arizona, philly and the bears on their schedule. arizona being the only team in the hunt.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for mentioning the Wise column. I just took a look, and it was a pretty good read.

Regarding the greatest show on turf thing, I don't think he was giving Weird Al credit for it. It seemed to me that he simply mentioned Saunders was on that staff in addition to the years he spent in KC under Vermeil.

Posted by: JustMe | December 9, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that we have to hope the CowPies are resting?

Stop that coward talk! We'll kick their a$$es twice on the way to [insert SuperBowl site here]!

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

While I thought Todd Collins looked pretty impressive the other night, we have to keep in mind that most backup QBs forced into a game play well since they have nothing to lose and the opponent has not game planned for them. Griese does not count since Williams said they game planned for both Grossman and Griese.

Witness AJ Feeley who looked practically like a Tom Brady clone against the Pats and then threw 4 INTs last weekend.

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

justme, your welcome. i didn't mean wise gave him credit i meant others in the media and bloggers up here keep mentioning the rams offense as if that was saunders' offense. it was not.

i really really hope tc wins out cuz that'd be just way too cool. it'll start up lots and lots of conversation. controversial ones. it'll make the offseason fun and go by quick.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

daggar, yeah...i know. that's lame. sorry. okay i hope the girls lose 2 in a row coming into fedex fighting for home field and a bye.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i'm hoping tc is the anomaly. he was behind warner, and trent green both of whom were world beaters and didn't miss many games while he was their back up.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse


New England is changing their mascot!!!

So, Tom Brady asks Gisele what he should do and Gisele said "Birdy are pretty, pretty are birdy."

So Tom Brady told the owner that HE thought a Bird would look "really, really rad!", so the owner agreed.

The problem is all the Bird names were taken....Eagles, Seahawks, Falcons, Ravens, even Cardinals.

So, Tom Brady asks Gisele what he should do and Gisele said "Cat eat Bird, Meow, now bring me saucer of the milk."

So, Tom Brady thought and then said a Cat would look "really, really neat!", so the owner agreed.

The problem is all the Cat names are taken....Lions, Bengels, Panthers, Jaguars!!!

So, Tom Brady asks Gisele what he should do and Gisele said "Cat eat Bird, Meow, now bring me saucer of the milk."

Tom Brady, now befuddled and confused, thinks real hard and it comes to him!!!

What's the fast Cat around?!!!!! Of Course!!!! The Cheetah!!!!

So that from then on they would always be known as THE NEW ENGLAND CHEETAHS!!!

Go to da gam early cuz pawkin can be wicked hawd to fand atta CHEETAHS gam!

Posted by: filmchis | December 10, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Lisa as usual you prove your insight & knowledge of football is weak & your constant Quotes from NFL Network & various sports shows is also a sign of a goober trying to fit in with a certain group by PRETENDING to know what your talking about! You & many other regulars like jm220 have not only been WRONG about other teams but you CLEARLY dont know your own team the SORRYASS REDSKINETTES!!
I also think your concern of me and MANY other WASHINGTON COWBOY fans not spending time on Cowboy blogs is a way over your head & rest assured we can multitask & do both! Now drink some more kool-aide & join with the other idiots on this blog who are still clinging to that fantasy thought of BACKING into playoffs!! WOW how desperate & pathetic redskinette fans have become, The Mighty fell in 1992 & havent come close to those GLORY days except in the childrens story bedtime books.HEHEHE

Posted by: ROMOFORPRESIDENT | December 10, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Rich is on point for the most part. He's wrong about Carlos Rogers because he could still end up being a bust. With his knee injury, it will take 2 seasons for Rogers to fully heal.

Also, Rich fails to mention that the team is very old and that the Skins will to rebuild big time.

As of right now, the Skins need O-line depth, a DE, a CB, FS, one or more LBs, a big WR, a blocker-type TE and a receiver-type TE. That's a huge laundry list.

Posted by: heisted547 | December 10, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Guys, I appreciate the succinct analysis.

But the problem is two-fold, and only one of them can be fixed now to help this team finish strong, and hopefully get into the post season.

Gibb's fear of losing needs to be overcomed...that should start NOW. We saw it on Thursday against Chicago. But it needs to continue at New York.

The Panthers, Cardinals, Lions, and Eagles all lost yesterday. Hopefully the Saints fall apart somehow in Atlanta tonight.

Sure, the Giants know that Collins can't move, so pass protection becomes more paramount.

But now Al is going to use all 750 pages of the playbook with a guy who knows his system as well as him.

As for personnel moves, they played it smart this year. I still value Portis and Moss. Santana is still a #1 WR, and while he was hurt this year, he still draws a defense's attention.

I think Gibbs won't leave, and may wise up and hire a GM...well one hopes. Danny should wise up and tell him to do so.

But the focus should only be on Sunday night in New York.

Dub it the "revenge game." They cheated defeat and stole a victory in Week 3.

Now it's our turn.

Posted by: vdoggay | December 10, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read any comments from yesterday and am swamped with grad school crap (stinking self-betterment!) until later in the week.

wa wa... I sound like Jasno! (I kid because I love)

Am I right in being happy with a Cowboys win and and Eagles loss? I feel dirty for saying it. As it looks, the Skins need to beat the Giants and the Vikings for any shot at the playoffs (playoffs?)

I just need some ammo for my monday morning QBing today at lunch. .

The Dorf abides inconsistently.

Posted by: Dorf | December 10, 2007 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Dont you have to be 35 or so to be prez?

Posted by: tdskinz | December 10, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Peter King has a lot of Redskins love this week -- Todd Collins is O Player of the Week, and we're back in the Fine 15.

But, he slams the organization for going after big name, high priced coaches (Gibbs, Spurrier) and puts up some numbers to make his point.

Most ominous, though is his table on the salary cap for next year: Redskins, right now, are $20 million over the cap. They're the only team in the league projected to be over the cap. Don't look for a lot of free agent signings this off season. Not sure we can even afford to sign a first-round draft pick.

I'm saying that the only way Springs or Portis plays for the 'Skins next year is if they take salary cuts. Oh, and Brunell, too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 10, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

So we're 1 game out of the last wild card spot, huh? I'm trying to be optimistic, but does anyone really think we can win 3 straight games (4 overall) against 3 playoff teams (2 on the road)?

I will remain hopeful until the fat lady sings, but it just doesn't look great. I guess the good news for us this year is that even if we had won 3 or 4 of the 5 games we gave away this season, we're still in the number 5 playoff spot because of Dallas. Don't get me wrong, I'd still rather be in the playoffs, but it's not like we screwed ourselves of a first round bye.


We'll save about 2-3 mill on Brunell next year so he better not be around. If he's back, then I'm not.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 10, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse


If Brunell comes back at the vet minimum, could we entice you back at the blog minimum? Wouldn't be the same blog without you. Or the same 'Skins without Brunell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 10, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Not sure we can even afford to sign a first-round draft pick.

TA are you serious? I hope not...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 10, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Plenty of time for salary cap doom and gloom in the offseason, my friends.

This week let's focus on the doggone Jints! Playoff-like atmosphere in the swamplands!

Let's open the end zone gate and let the winds of change swirl into that godforsaken stadium!

Let's go up there and punch those morons in the mouth!

Vigilance! Balance! Maps!


Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 10, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I like your focus Nate. And I agree, we need to go into NY and take one from them. We need a huge game from our defense, need to put Manning under constant duress.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 10, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

No question Nate. We need to lay the wood on LBM early and often.

Posted by: jm220 | December 10, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Those projections are worthless because they do not account for salary restructuring and players let go. I do agree however, that we are not in a position to go out and spend a ton on free agents.

I also am with the true Redskins fans who are with this team until the fat lady sings. It is going to be tough, but anything can happen in the NFL. F the haters, i.e. gringoinmiami, who bailed on the team before after the Bills game.

Posted by: BT23 | December 10, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"does anyone really think we can win 3 straight games (4 overall) against 3 playoff teams (2 on the road)"

RickyBobby - I actually think that running off three straight with a backup QB sounds very much like Coach Gibbs. Also, we're only trying to beat 2 playoff teams (1 on the road) because, if we do it, Minnesota is not a playoff team.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 10, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm very much under the impression that if we go into Giants Stadium, with the defensive mind set to put as much pressure on Manning as is humanly possible, then we could come out with a win. Carter needs to have a huge game, as does Daniels. Hopefully everyone is getting just a little healthy with this small amount of time off.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 10, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse


I'm not a cap expert, but I'm pretty sure we can't reduce MB's cap hit to the vet minimum even if he agreed to it. Even if he restructured/accepted a pay cut, I'm guessing he'd still count close to 5 mill, which is flat out unacceptable for a 3rd string QB.


Good point. I actually think Minn might be the tougher of the two road games.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 10, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone making the jaunt to Giants Stadium on Sunday night? Some buddies are talking about going, but I'll probably stay away. 0-2 UP THERE for me.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 10, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

RB, I'm almost 100 percent positive that Brunnel signed a new deal last year which was for the vet min, and was basically a one year deal. Someone help me out with this...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 10, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree RB, Minnesota is likely to be the tougher game.

Am I the only one that hopes Dallas plays their starters in Week 17? Brad Johnson scares the hell out of me. He would love nothing more than to ruin our chances (if we have any at that point). When he beat us with Minnesota in the opener last year, I heard he wore his old Skins jersey on the bus from the stadium to rub it in.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 10, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse


I'm sure Brunell's gone after this year, but he'll still count against the cap for all the years we restructured, converting salary into guaranteed bonsuses so we could spread them out.

As to those who think these projections are "worthless," they're an indication of how much this team will have to do in the off season just to be able to sign a first round pick. And restructuring just postpones the pain -- that's why we're $20 million over next year because of all the past restructurings. Where would you rather be -- Redskins, 6-7, $20 million over the cap or Tennessee, 7-6, $40 million under the cap? Who do you think has the best chance of improving in the off season?

Remember, what the theme of this post was -- Gibbs is a bad coach but a good GM. Only one team is projected to be over the cap next year, and it's projected to be WAY over.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 10, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Who is in favor of gutting the roster?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 10, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 10, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

TA, he signed a new deal last year. Stop being such a debbie downer.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 10, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Off-topic for a sec -

Dorf, are you doing your grad work at JMU?
I was driving thru H'burg with the fam after Thanksgiving, and we were listening to JMU vs App St - and just as we're driving through campus, and I'm thinking we're gonna pull off the over. 2+ weeks later and I'm still disappointed. I hope Delaware beats the pants off App St in the championship.

Back to our regularly scheduled Redskins chat...

I know this has probably been hashed out already, but what happens if we run the table with Collins at the helm, make it to the playoffs, and win the wild-card round with Collins(!), regardless of what happens next? Is it the start of another QB controversy for the Skins? It's been a while since we've had one around here...

Also, who would have more success as HC of the Skins, should Gibbs retire again - Saunders, Grilliams, or an outside candidate?

Posted by: jaradel | December 10, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Now that's funny. Jason keep up the good work getting these guest bloggers online, they crack some funnies.

Posted by: atidwell | December 10, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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