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Cartwright Breaks Down Special Teams

Sat down with Rock Cartwright to talk a little special teams this afternoon (I'm thinking this might become a midweek staple of our blog coverage). Dallas has some talent in that department, and took major steps to upgrade the return game in the offseason.

Rookie Felix Jones is part of what is shaping up to be a standout rookie class in the NFC East (DeSean Jackson with Philly and Jones have made the biggest plays, but a trio of young DBs have been strong as well - Chris Horton, Mike Jenkins and Kenny Phillips). Jones has an explosive first step, tremendous overall quickness and already has one kick return for a TD (while averaging 8.2 yards per carry as a RB).

The Cowboys also traded for previously suspended CB Adam "No Longer Pac-Man" Jones in the offseason, getting him from Tennessee. Jones is still regaining his footing and timing after missing so much time, but he was a big-play specialist for the Titans and certainly remains feared around the league in that regard.

Here's what Rock had to say:

"Jones is just fast, man. He's got great speed and that can cover up for a lot of other things. He's also running behind a great wedge. They've got a huge four-man wedge - they use a lot of second-string linemen on it - and they really open things up for him.

"And with that quickness, ... that elusiveness, Jones can get to that second level. That's what makes him a home-run hitter. And in the punt game, Pac-Man's ability, we've all seen that. So it's something we have to prepare for."

Cartwright is a fixture in all aspects of special teams, not just returning kicks, so I asked him what you have to focus on against such a return duo.

"It really comes down to us staying in our lanes," Cartwright said. "We've got to cover well, tackle well and need everybody to finish on the football. We've all got to be trying to get to the football."

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 24, 2008; 2:20 PM ET
 
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Comments

"Hey, Rock, whaddya think about fielding punts?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Agree Nate. That would have been a great question to ask.

Posted by: jm220 | September 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze's take:
- I am supportive of Jasno's articles and opinions to date on theis blog. Typically don't find much to disagree with. It is good to get a cynic's view to keep my views real. If he's pointing out the strenghts of an opponent that need to be addressed by the skins, that's all it is IMO. Not everything he writes is negative. I will admit he can be pretty down on certain aspects of the organization, but it is nothing most of us up here and everywhere else realize as well, and have stated so in FAR more negative ways up here than Jasno himself actullay has.

- Having said that, I can't deny that his call to the NFL was anything less than suspicious, or at least motivated by hopes to discredit the organization/Vinny. Even so, I am not going to get all outraged and start calling him names, or call for him to be fired. Nothing he did warrants a reprimand from his editors, or an apology to the Redskins or their fans. Nothing actually hit print. Until Vinny brought it up.

- Larry Michael is a tool. What he said went way beyond reporting, or journalism, or whatever he likes to consider himself. What he did, he did on air (JLC did nothing publicly), and actually suggested that people call/email/post on RI/whatever to get JLC fired. Way overboard.

- My thought is that RI should

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze's take:
- I am supportive of Jasno's articles and opinions to date on theis blog. Typically don't find much to disagree with. It is good to get a cynic's view to keep my views real. If he's pointing out the strenghts of an opponent that need to be addressed by the skins, that's all it is IMO. Not everything he writes is negative. I will admit he can be pretty down on certain aspects of the organization, but it is nothing most of us up here and everywhere else realize as well, and have stated so in FAR more negative ways up here than Jasno himself actullay has.

- Having said that, I can't deny that his call to the NFL was anything less than suspicious, or at least motivated by hopes to discredit the organization/Vinny. Even so, I am not going to get all outraged and start calling him names, or call for him to be fired. Nothing he did warrants a reprimand from his editors, or an apology to the Redskins or their fans. Nothing actually hit print. Until Vinny brought it up.

- Larry Michael is a tool. What he said went way beyond reporting, or journalism, or whatever he likes to consider himself. What he did, he did on air (JLC did nothing publicly), and actually suggested that people call/email/post on RI/whatever to get JLC fired. Way overboard.

- My thought is that RI should probably get reassigned to Jreid and someone else. Not because of anything JLC did or even wrote, but because I think it is pretty obvious that
he is getting more and more blackballed at the park. I like JLC and his stuff, but even if they let him in the park, it is highly probable that most everyone will have been instructed not to talk to him. If JLC does get reassigned, I am curious to see how long it will take for the "haters" to come out railing against the new guy. Judging by the amount of trolls up here just saying stuff in order to be mean, It will happen very soon thereafter.

- Many of the posts up here lately are downright embarrasing. Why people get so worked up over these little things in life astounds me. I can't imagine how many cowboy trolls have come up here to check things out and just walked away laughing.

- And speaking of Cowboy trolls. I am not one to tell folks how to repsond to them, but the phrase "talk to me when you win a playoff game" is the most ridiculous "comeback" I have ever heard. Use some imagination. You know darn well it will only lead to last time we won a suoper bowl, etc and it is all meaningless, because this is the 2008 regular season. You need to win regular season games (especially against division rivals) to get to the playoffs. Right now on paper, the cowboys are better than we are. We need to hope for higher emotion, harder hitting, and better QB protection, and some lucky bounces.

- And lastly before I get off my podium, I would like to give my take on posting as anon vs handle. Those of us who use handles can be held accountable for past comments, bets, and arguments. And some of the folks up here with handles do actually know each other, so not everyone is technically anonymous. If you hide behind the anon tag you don't run the risk of being called out for anything you say. So yes, it does take "more guts" to post with a handle than it does to be anonymous. Just look at Sports Guru. Even he gets my props for having enough guts to stick with his opinion and handle.

Sorry for the long post. Peace out.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

not sure what happened there.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else feel that we can go toe to toe with the Cowboys on offense?

I am less worried about special teams and defense.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

For those of you wondering, I am planning to contact the league office to see if there were any violations incurred when Rock Cartright inappropriately referred to Adam Jones as PacMan.

I really may be on to something here. Stay tuned for further updates.

Posted by: Chumpfora | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Updating ...

I went thru all the drives so far this season for BOTH TEAMS and looked at ones that didn't get TDs. Then I looked at the major reason it ended. Here's what I came up with. I excluded kneel down / clock killing with a big lead.

girlz
couldn't get 1st: 5
penalty: 4
pick: 3
Fumble: 2
sack: 2

Skins
couldn't get 1st: 16
penalty: 2
pick:
Fumble:
sack: 2

Major differences!!! Forcing mistakes works vs girlz, but not vs Skins. Suggests its best to let the Skins stop their own drives, just don't give up the big play. The classic bend but don't break.

girlz are a different story. Bend but don't break doesn't seem to apply. Force a mistake is better way to approach it. Very few girlz drives ended because of two short runs and an incompletion.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Dlhaze....well said...I am adopting that as my official stance...thanks my man!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I plan on only doing interviews when the questions are pre-screened and when I'm allowed to wear an earpiece so someone can tell me what to say.

Also, I'm so hot aren't I? Definitely hotter than ya'lls wives.

Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM

You take questions like Dan Snyder, except you are hotter and taller.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:36 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Interesting analysis Al.

I can't help to think that turnovers are more dangerous than having to punt though. After all, we are 2-1 and they are 3-0. They could easily be 2-1, if it wasn't for Philly's defense sucking monkey butt.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's what NFL spokesman Michael Signora had to say: "Jason LaCanfora called our office and said that Vinny Cerrato was talking in specifics on his radio show about the Raiders' coaching position. Jason wanted to know if that could possibly be a tampering issue."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:13 AM

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Vinny, please stop posting the same thing over and over. A reporter asked a question which is what they're paid to do. Most people on this blog think you've done a poor job because those are the facts. You should spend your time asking yourself why you don't draft enough good O an D lineman (THE CORE OF WINNING) for the Skins. Most people on this board could GM better than you, VC. You wouldn't know Talent if you were staring it in the face and it had a name tag on. Ozzie Newsome is right up 95 and he drafts by need not whim. Maybe you can buy him a crab cake and learn from a winner.

Posted by: Talent | September 24, 2008 3:13 AM

I'm a better GM than VC too.

Posted by: Floyd Reese | September 24, 2008 3:19 AM

Posted by: Good stuff | September 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not Fox News is as close as it gets... They were spawned as a direct result of the other networks agenda.

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM

No sir you are still on crack. Fox and MSNBC try to appeal to the far right and far left. All the others are pretty much inbetween.

Just because Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity tell you all other news networks are evil and "leftist" doesn't make it so.

And you still didn't answer my question about Fox referring to all other candidates using their middle names. Wonder why?

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm a better GM than VC too.

Posted by: Floyd Reese | September 24, 2008 3:19 AM

Posted by: Good stuff | September 24, 2008 2:41 PM


Shoot, even I'm a better GM than Vinny. And that's saying something.

Posted by: Mike Flannagan | September 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Post should just put Jason on the Vinny beat like ESPN had Pedro Gomez following Bonds around daily during the BALCO scandal. That seems to be his main concern as beat reporter for the Skins as it is, to tattle on Vinny.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark,

You've been reposting for hours, and only 2 apologists have replied to you while a third complained that you wrote too much. Intelligent debate is hard to find up here, but if you're looking for someone to call you a moron because they love Jason and email him all the time and you don't, you're in the right place. If you are going to offer something well-written and based in fact, then only a few souls will respond, as you've seen.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I sucked d!ck for coke.

Posted by: Bob Saget | September 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Further Update
Heyer has now come onto the field, but is doing individual drills. He is not in pads.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 1:53 PM

Um, Cindy, he IS wearing shoulder pads ... you just can't tell because its the same shoulder pads he has been wearing since 6th grade.

Also, how to you get the bold font function to work?

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Boo this man!

Booooooooo

Posted by: Cracked out black guy | September 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

i'm starting to think this stunt by JLA has backfired.

Posted by: seery | September 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm a better GM than VC too.

Posted by: Floyd Reese | September 24, 2008 3:19 AM

I'm on Par with Vinny.

Posted by: Matt Millen | September 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

A reporter asks a question, and never writes about it since it's a non-issue.

The Skins propaganda machine cries wolf, and attacks JLC on the radio, in the forums and here.

It's a witch hunt powered by minimum wage trolling idiots and no-talent radio personalities.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Boo this man!

Booooooooo

Posted by: Cracked out black guy | September 24, 2008 2:46 PM

==============================

Funny thing is, is that cracked out black guy in that scene is none other than David from MTV's The Real World, season 2 in L.A. He eventually got "voted" out of the house because the womene felt he was a sexual predator or something like that because he tried to pull the blanket off the black chick in the house one night when everyone was just messing around.

Just a little tid-bit.

Posted by: Funny Thing | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

- And lastly before I get off my podium, I would like to give my take on posting as anon vs handle. Those of us who use handles can be held accountable for past comments, bets, and arguments. And some of the folks up here with handles do actually know each other, so not everyone is technically anonymous. If you hide behind the anon tag you don't run the risk of being called out for anything you say. So yes, it does take "more guts" to post with a handle than it does to be anonymous. Just look at Sports Guru. Even he gets my props for having enough guts to stick with his opinion and handle.

Sorry for the long post. Peace out.


Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM

The guys with "handles" can go without those handles anytime they want to. If they have to say something controversial, they can just post anonymously. You haven't sold me there.

As far as a potential new beat writer and how soon it would take before the crowds started to question his credibility, I offer that J Reid has been here now at least since the coaching search (the point where everthing became so negative around here), and to this date...I have not seen ONE comment brought up negatively about this man. I wonder where the difference lies?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

My state is so irrelevant that the only way we get noticed is by charging you $20 on your way to Jersey.

Posted by: Joe Biden | September 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Baldwin replaces Gatewood on practice squad"
Gatewood=Vinny Guy
Baldwin=Lions pick (Millen guy)
Did Danny already hire Matt Millen?

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I say we burn JLC at the stake. Just like we did with all them witches.

Oh wait. What? You mean we only did that witch hunt because we had eaten moldy bread and the mold/fungus on the bread made us hallucinate and trip out?

Huh.

Posted by: Leader of The Hunt | September 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 2:44pm, in your rush to malign the commenting community up here did you miss my response to Gary on the last thread? It was awesome.

Not saying there's not plenty of conversational chaff that gets posted up here, but there's also plenty of wheat. (I'm pretty sure your comment and this one I'm typing now are "chaff.")

Do you have something you'd like us to respond to as well, dude? I promise to put on my as-intelligent-as-I-can-be hat and respond. Seriously.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Post of the Day: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM

Best Supporting Post of the Day: LH | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM

Posted by: Awards Committee | September 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

For years I was all for deregulation of the banking industry. Now that it's taken a turn for the worse I call for more regulation.

Posted by: John McCain | September 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It's so crazy that some of you actually believe that all, or even most, of the anti-JLC response is being fueled by employees of the Skins. Maybe one or two, but give me a break. There are plenty of every day fans that don't want the beat reporter creating stories to make Vinny look bad. He already does bad enough on his own.

Posted by: call me what you want | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

What is Rock Cartwright doing talking to the chubby loser-rat-traitor-wannabe snitch JLC anyway?

Posted by: Purple Haze | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Sure...

All the others are pretty much in between... HA LOL! Do you work for CNN or NBC?

Wise Up is really Wolf Blitzer!

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not Fox News is as close as it gets... They were spawned as a direct result of the other networks agenda.

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM

No sir you are still on crack. Fox and MSNBC try to appeal to the far right and far left. All the others are pretty much inbetween.

Just because Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity tell you all other news networks are evil and "leftist" doesn't make it so.

And you still didn't answer my question about Fox referring to all other candidates using their middle names. Wonder why?

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:42 PM

I'm sorry Obama and his political party are ashamed of his middle name. Maybe he should change it lie everything else he has changed in order to be elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama in '08!

Posted by: Karl Marx | September 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

it's amazing how many blogs have been posted since the Emilio Garcia-Ruiz "clarification"... funny that all we usually get is "John Doe didn't practice" and the occasional Jason Reid video, now all of the sudden JLC is a blogging machine? Seems like a great way to move that damaging story to the bottom of the page.

JLC - we all think Vinny's show is a joke, but act like a professional... or move to Baltimore.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Obama and his political party are ashamed of his middle name. Maybe he should change it lie everything else he has changed in order to be elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM


Yeah they're ashamed of it. It's not like those on the right are trying to say that everyone with the name Hussein is a horrible person (since you know we ousted a dictator in a Middle Eastern country who had the same name). They're not trying to do that at all.

Posted by: Yeah that's it | September 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@ Leader of The Hunt:

Dude, are you saying I'll trip out if I eat moldy bread?

Posted by: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) | September 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sure...

All the others are pretty much in between... HA LOL! Do you work for CNN or NBC?

Wise Up is really Wolf Blitzer!


Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM

Yeah because Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck (both employeed by CNN) lean so far to the left.

Good lord.

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

HERE YOU GO...

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=305420655186700&secid=1501

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.
Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.
"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" — future "social entrepreneurs."
The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."
"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.
Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."
Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."
One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."
The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.
The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.

Posted by: Who is Obama? | September 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The guys with "handles" can go without those handles anytime they want to. If they have to say something controversial, they can just post anonymously. You haven't sold me there.
As far as a potential new beat writer and how soon it would take before the crowds started to question his credibility, I offer that J Reid has been here now at least since the coaching search (the point where everthing became so negative around here), and to this date...I have not seen ONE comment brought up negatively about this man. I wonder where the difference lies?
Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM
True, anyone can post anon any time. I can't speak for everyone, but I stick to my tag just for the principle of it. I think many actually do as well. Just another argument for registration.

I'm not saying JReid would take any flack right off the bat if there were 2 beat/blog guys, but if he were the only option...........point being that some folks only show up here to act like an @ss.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@ Leader of The Hunt:

Dude, are you saying I'll trip out if I eat moldy bread?

Posted by: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) | September 24, 2008 2:55 PM

You know it Heath. Of course it's probably easier to just go out and find a nice cow field, pic the mushrooms off the cow poo and wash em and eat them. Than you'll really trip out.

Eat some and go to a rock concert. Eat some and go to a UMD basketball game and sit a few rows behind the basket.

Posted by: Leader of The Hunt | September 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Haze,
I finally finished reading your post, very well thought out and classy.

If a reg segmant on Special Teams does start here can we call it "Poundin the Rock"

Posted by: Alexe35332 | September 24, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

That 1st down coversion rate is scary us not converting 16 times to their 5. Im sure a good bit of that was the first game still getting the kninjs out but in a game thats going to be established by the run like this one will 1st down conversions are crucial to keep offensive momentum going and maily keeping the other D on the field. We really need to work in that category to be in this game.

Posted by: Stu | September 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The "content" underlying the allegations, counter-allegations, non-allegations, exaggerations and the "no comment" ... Lane Kiffin.

1. Lane Kiffin is not going to quit.

2. Al Davis wants Lane Kiffin to quit.

3. Al Davis is not going to fire Lane Kiffin.

[4. Al Davis is crazier than Spongebob Squarepants on amyl nitrate.]

In the relationship between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin, can ANYBODY seriously believe it is even POSSIBLE to tamper?

I don't think Jasno could or would ever credibly suggest that, even maliciously.

I don't think Vinny seriously believes that anybody even maliciously suggesting that would or could ever be taken seriously.

Which is to say, I agree with Awards Committee that Learned Hand hit it right ... this is manufactured hysteria. Although I would have given LH the Post of the Day. [I've been stripped of Award Committee membership for impugning the integrity of an official after calling a penalty for 10 men on the field ... I'm in bonus point hell.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry its media and politics so I have to coment.
CNN overally much more concervitive than it really is at first glance, not based on Ideology, but more on the fact that they Softball so much that they cant help but come off as conservitave. Is their any reporter who avoids hard questions more than Blitzer?

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

True, anyone can post anon any time. I can't speak for everyone, but I stick to my tag just for the principle of it. I think many actually do as well. Just another argument for registration.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:56 PM

You make no sense.

Posted by: Whatever Man | September 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

New stategy for this country...let the bed wetting liberals have their way with homosexuality and same-sex marriages. Conservatives can continue to procreate according to God's plan. Eventually (and I know this will take some time) the liberals will slowly die off with no offspring to replace them, and this country will return to the state that our founding fathers envisioned.

God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Nate, yes, you are one of the 2 responders I referred to.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Political posts: way too many
JLa vs Vinny posts: way too many (its over folks)
Skins vs Dallas posts: not many

Yuck

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

""Hey, Rock, whaddya think about fielding punts?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:24 PM "

you damned idiot. rock has never returned punts, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its not the same as returning a kickoff either, not even close, rock is not near fast enough to be returning punts...you need to get outside of JLCs blog and learn more about football, or would me telling you that be tampering?? bwahaha

Posted by: X-E | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

***** OFF TOPIC*******

I hate Dallas week because I'm already nervous on a Wednesday. I hope our D Line can get a push on that massive O-line of the 'Girls. If we can do that and limit their big plays we should be good.

****End Non Politics/Non JLA-FO Fued Post****

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Occasionally people used to talk about the games on here. We got f-ing Dallas this week, cmon.

Posted by: Stu | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he should change it like everything else he has changed in order to be elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM

I think they thought about it, but Gary Hart(pence) advised him that the media would figure it out. Probably the same reason he stopped going by the first name "Barry."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

""Hey, Rock, whaddya think about fielding punts?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:24 PM "

you damned idiot. rock has never returned punts, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its not the same as returning a kickoff either, not even close, rock is not near fast enough to be returning punts...you need to get outside of JLCs blog and learn more about football, or would me telling you that be tampering?? bwahaha

Posted by: X-E | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM

Huh I didn't see where he said, "Rock you returned punts and are fast enough to do so how do you feel about it?"

Did I miss something or were you just thinking out loud there talking to your self?

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

My husband is an embarassment to our entire family.

Posted by: Jason LaChumpfora's Wife | September 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't can go have sex with my wife

Posted by: I love LaCanfora | September 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Im not going to rag on Jason taylor being out, hes a future hall of famer. But this gives a great opportunity For James and Wilson and Evans to show what they got, they can make plays and having them on a rotating basis could be great for us. In every game we have looked far fresher in the 4th then our opponents have, them rotating the D-line will only add to our preformance in the 4th.

Posted by: Stu | September 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

BONG!


Get rid of Lacrapfora

Posted by: Redskins Fans Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | September 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

New stategy for this country...let the bed wetting liberals have their way with homosexuality and same-sex marriages. Conservatives can continue to procreate according to God's plan. Eventually (and I know this will take some time) the liberals will slowly die off with no offspring to replace them, and this country will return to the state that our founding fathers envisioned.

God Bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:02 PM

Hate to break it to you pal but things are actually evolving the exact opposite way. Let's not forget how many of those on the right are closet-homos. You're probably one of them.

As for God blessing the USA does that mean God doesn't bless other countries? Does that mean God likes the USA over other countries? Does God really have that much time on his hands to pick and choose what countries he likes and dislikes?

Posted by: Gayest Guy in USA | September 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I am not old enough to type yet, but I want everyone to know that I fully support my mommy's sentiments.

Posted by: Rocco LaChumpfora | September 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Obama is a Socialist! | September 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 3:03 PM


Ok ok let's get off mothers and wives, since we all just got off of yours.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

All mainstream media are biased one way or the other. All politicians are corrupt. Government is lies, theft, imprisonment and murder. Your vote is meaningless. A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new set of masters once in a term of years. This year you worked until April 23 just to pay your taxes. Rise up. Revolt. Politicians need you to me afraid and dependent, clamoring for them to make things better. Don't be that person. Government is not freedom. Government cannot give freedom; it only take it away. Government cannot give anyone anything it didn't first steal from someone else. Government is failure.

Posted by: Dethrone Tyranny | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Stu, I think about 1/2 of the 16 times came vs NYG. Even after that, a lot of Skins drives ended with a couple short runs and an incompletion or variations thereof. Not because of a penalty or sack, just not gaining much on 3 successive plays.

As best as I can recall, almost all of these 16 drives ended on a 3rd down and less than 10.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget how many of those on the right are closet-homos. You're probably one of them.

As for God blessing the USA does that mean God doesn't bless other countries? Does that mean God likes the USA over other countries? Does God really have that much time on his hands to pick and choose what countries he likes and dislikes?

Posted by: Gayest Guy in USA | September 24, 2008 3:09 PM

The "closet homos" will become bed wetting liberals once this country lets them have their way.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

BONG!


Get rid of Lacrapfora

Posted by: Redskins Fans Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | September 24, 2008 3:09 PM


Take your bong and cram it you waste-of-space hippy. Go get a job instead of making the tax payers support your hippy lifestyle. Cut your hair and stop smoking dope, loser.

Posted by: Right Wing Pete | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

^^^^

Posted by: Hank Hill? | September 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

... Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. ...

I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 3:03 PM

Agree to disagree on who created the story. Sounds like JLC struck out, mummed about it ... no dice, nothing to write about, nothing to show for it. It wasn't a story until Vinny talked about it on the show last Friday. [And it wasn't hysteria until Larry Michael brought it out again on Monday morning.]

On Dallas, my first hope is actually no season-ending injuries. It would be awesome to win, but I'm not putting money on it (or even the over/under). If there IS a bad injury, the I really hope Skins get a win to show for it. I just really don't want to lose any starters so early in the season.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's sort of like Texas, where we elect a governor with very little power.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 3:00 PM

And then they run for president, having had no power, and no brain power for that mater, and somehow win. TWICE! Go figure.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

JLC is a joke, we all know it. I don't even read his BS anymore. I just dropped by to tell you all how big of a piece of **** he is. That is all, GOODBYE

Posted by: JLC HATER | September 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I have a wide stance.

Posted by: Larry Craig | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow. And just think the election is not until November. This is going to be a long blogging season...

The one thing I did not like from the Cards game is how their backs (mostly Hightower) were left uncovered coming out of the backfield and were able to convert first downs. If Hightower and James did that to us, I'm really starting to get worried about Barber and Jones producing in a similar fashion.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

X-E, good grief, dude, I jokingly suggested a question that might reasonably be posted to Rock Cartwright during an informal weekly chat about special teams.

Did I claim that returning punts is the same as returning kicks? No. (And check it out, I actually know they are different! Though I remember a dude we had here for a long time who had a hell of a career doing.) Did I claim Rock would be a good punt returner? No. (And check it out, I have made no such claims!)

Do you disagree that getting Rock to talk a little bit about this team's punt returning, in an informal chat like Jason apparently had with him, might be a worthy undertaking?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The "closet homos" will become bed wetting liberals once this country lets them have their way.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:11 PM


I think your forgetting about Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, and Larry Craig, just to name a few.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:13 PM

Don't worry...once it is the norm for this country, they can all come out of the closet and join your party. That was the entire point of the strategy. We want the closet homos to come out of the closet and support your cause.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Jasno read Rock's comments from inside a Royal Flush where Rock had put grafitti...that's the closest to inside mrprissypants will get.

Posted by: Journalism 101 | September 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I vote so I must be free.

Posted by: John Q Brainwashed | September 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree on who created the story. Sounds like JLC struck out, mummed about it ... no dice, nothing to write about, nothing to show for it. It wasn't a story until Vinny talked about it on the show last Friday. [And it wasn't hysteria until Larry Michael brought it out again on Monday morning.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:13 PM

As a lifelong fan, I sure as hell want to know when our hometown beat reporter does something like this. It goes to motive and point of view, and lets us all as readers know how we should take the articles he writes.

Posted by: SkinsFan4Life | September 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on that as i poorly typed we were getting the kinks out against NY and a majority of those are going to come from that game, Cooley was inexistant that game. Since he has been cathing balls im sure our 3rd down completion rate has been up. We are doing a good job of protection and penalties. The rest is play calling and execution, both of which are vastly imporved from NY.

Posted by: Stu | September 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

JLC is a joke, we all know it. I don't even read his BS anymore. I just dropped by to tell you all how big of a piece of **** he is. That is all, GOODBYE

Posted by: JLC HATER | September 24, 2008 3:14 PM

Here's hoping someone in your family is "taken advantage of" soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Clark,
Point by point
Vinny admited he lied about the JT traid. I understand that if he had said something it would have been tampering, but the PR guys need to teach him 2 words, No Coment. Vinny likes the spot light too much to be the guy with sensitive info, he has to just realize that a major part of his job is that he needs to just say No Coment, which also is whay its generally a bad idea for him to do a radio show. What if he does slip up at some point and says something that is tampering? Will that be JLC's fault if he reports it?

"isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? " I would love it if it were true, but radio shows typically have these people who screen calls, especially shows that have a message they want to get through. I have lissened to the show and so far there was 1 call critical of him, about how he seemed to be obsessed with going after JLC, and a bunch of calls talking about traids from 4 years ago with the only sore spot mentioned being Lloyd. I don't ever picture them taking an unscreened call, but maybe they will who knows.

We can debate what Vinny and Jason and the NFL are implying in what they say, because depending on how you read it it can all be interperated differently.
I pulled the quot from DC Sports blog and from what he said it sounded like he was trying to imply it was a real charge.

Cerrato: ...But we'll just say Jason La Canfora, he called the NFL to ask them are they not gonna charge the Washington Redskins with tampering. And let's listen to it and then I'll read the tampering rule.

Does that respond to some of your questions?

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm hereby suspending my Presidential Campaign to come back to DC and fix the political mess all by myself.

I call on Barack HUSSEIN Obama to do just the same.

I also call for this Friday's debate to be postponed, since I don't want to look like I know nothing about economics.

Posted by: John McCain | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If Hightower and James did that to us, I'm really starting to get worried about Barber and Jones producing in a similar fashion.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM

It seemed like Hightower and James were on the field at the same time alot (Hightower is FB, right?). Seems like Jones comes into spell Barber, and that they aren't on the field at the same time as much.

I'm liking (and trying to figure out) the rotations in the backfield that Jimzorn is using. Betts was on the field against the Cards alot more than I remember from last season. Sometimes it was Portis alone. Sometimes Portis/Sellers. Sometimes Betts/Sellers. [One time Betts/Yoder! Sometimes Portis split wide to the sideline! Yoder wide to the sideline!] Whatever the Jimzorn version of the West Coast Offense is (and I'm still trying to figure out for sure what the WCO is other than short/intermediate passes on second down), its sure fun to watch.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping someone in your family is "taken advantage of" soon.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:19 PM

That's classy, Jason, keep it up. Oh yeah, and watch your back around town

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If Hightower and James did that to us, I'm really starting to get worried about Barber and Jones producing in a similar fashion.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM

You talking about my good old buddy Hightowner from our Police Academy movies?

Posted by: Bobcat | September 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't like all this political talk. I hope you punks realize that if you are 1) any shade of brown, or 2) have ever walked past a mosque, I can legally detain and torture you. It's called the Patriot Act, look it up. Kisses,

Dick Cheney

Posted by: Dick Cheney | September 24, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

OK Skins Nation, try this on for size (though I fear you may not like the fit):

Aint no combination of Redskins greats who could hang with this team:

QB: Staubach
RB: Dorsett
FB: Moose Johnston
WR: TO, Irvin, Drew Pearson, Bob Hayes
TEs: Whitten, Novacek
Ts: Eric Williams, Rayfield Wright
Gs: Larry Allen, Leonard Davis
C: Andre Gurourde

DEs: Harvey Martin and Ed "Too Tall" Jones
DTs: Bob Lilly and Randy White
LBs: Lee Roy Jordan, Ware, Chuck Howley
CBs: Deion Sanders, Mel Renfro
Ss: Cliff Harris and Darren Woodson
Kr: Bob Hayes

Coach: Tom Landry
score against Skins all-time team: 45-16 Boys Win Big, Real real real big. I'm Darrell Dallas and I wholeheartedly approve this message.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If Hightower and James did that to us, I'm really starting to get worried about Barber and Jones producing in a similar fashion.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:15 PM

Rightfully u should be worried about Barber and Jones they are as dangerous a tandem as anyone in the lkeague. I think however that we wwere allowing them the dum off to James and Higtower in an effort to keep Fitz and Boldin under check that leaves a lot more space 5-15 yards from the line if your going downfield with those players, then the get the chack down. With Dallas it not going to be the same. Witten and To will be accounted for but not to the same extent that we tried to minimize the Arz deep passes. We will be playing a lot closer to the line this game. dont see Barber beating us with catches, keep an eye on Jones slipping out of the backfield though.

Posted by: Stu | September 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

score against Skins all-time team: 45-16 Boys Win Big, Real real real big. I'm Darrell Dallas and I wholeheartedly approve this message.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM

And I boned your mom and wife.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Stu, no doubt the Gints game skewed the numbers and I considered not even using it since the last two games looked so different. But I don't think the basic point changed.

80% of our drives stopped because we ran 3 straight plays that didn't gain much. Not because of sacks or penalties or turnovers. Unlike Dallas, where 70% of their drives stop because of sacks, penalties or turnovers

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong fan, I sure as hell want to know when our hometown beat reporter does something like this. It goes to motive and point of view, and lets us all as readers know how we should take the articles he writes.

Posted by: SkinsFan4Life | September 24, 2008 3:17 PM

THANK YOU for responding civilly and rationally about this. I see your point. My own take is that I read his articles for what the article says. After he reduces it to words (and then it gets edited), its not his any more. I think articles can speak for themselves ... and I like or dislike what an author writes by what he writes, not what he thinks. This is the reason I like articles written by Pat Kirwan and John Clayton and Ross Tucker ... because its an article ... why I (usually) dislike things written by Peter King, Len Pasquarelli, Paul Zimmerman, which are columns (from what I can tell). I also disagree with their columns ... alot. Maybe less with Peter King and Don Banks.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Darrell,

Daryell Green could be missing both legs and single handedly whoop that teams ass.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

OK Skins Nation, try this on for size (though I fear you may not like the fit):

Aint no combination of Redskins greats who could hang with this team:

QB: Staubach
RB: Dorsett
FB: Moose Johnston
WR: TO, Irvin, Drew Pearson, Bob Hayes
TEs: Whitten, Novacek
Ts: Eric Williams, Rayfield Wright
Gs: Larry Allen, Leonard Davis
C: Andre Gurourde

DEs: Harvey Martin and Ed "Too Tall" Jones
DTs: Bob Lilly and Randy White
LBs: Lee Roy Jordan, Ware, Chuck Howley
CBs: Deion Sanders, Mel Renfro
Ss: Cliff Harris and Darren Woodson
Kr: Bob Hayes

Coach: Tom Landry
score against Skins all-time team: 45-16 Boys Win Big, Real real real big. I'm Darrell Dallas and I wholeheartedly approve this message.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM

Funny...even Cowboy fans don't know how to spell Witten's name

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

you called Dorsett over Emmitt? You oughta know better

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:25 PM

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Sween - I think Jones does just spell for Barber. It's just every time I watch the 'boys play it seems like they have designed check down plays to Barber over the middle and most of the time he is able to catch the ball and turn up field without a linebacker within 5 yards. Then he creates one on one situations with the linebacker and is able to generate a few more yards by bouncing it to the outside and converting first downs. I'm just saying if Hightower was able to do that, Barber could easily make it a long day for our defense.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Darrell, I have to guess your team's offensive line does that up-down thing before every snap. I freakin' hate that.

(Also, Dorsett over Emmitt? Really?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess the Gorgeous George Michaels fans have arrived.

The blog IQ has dropped like a stone.

Posted by: stumped | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL.

Rock Cartwright Rules.

Your momma/wife jokes drool.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Not sure whether this is political, but both candidates just requested to postpone Friday night's debate* so they could do senator work on the bailout bill.

* I didn't know there was a presidential debate on Friday night either.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

guess the Gorgeous George Michaels fans have arrived.

The blog IQ has dropped like a stone.

Posted by: stumped | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM

______________

Nope the only ones that have arrived are your inbred family members.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Does that respond to some of your questions?

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM

Some response here, though with all due respect, I think the arguments are weak at best. Following your logic, it would be OK then for Vinny to have a show if the calls were not "screened" as you say? What happened to the "Vinny has better things to do" argument?

Assuming the calls ARE screened, your argument would lead me to infer that Vinny has better things to do than take screened calls, but not better things to do than take unscreened calls. Would you say that's accurate based on all of the premises that have been offered in support of the argument?

As far as the Taylor trade, often times when a person is asked a very specific question, to say "No Comment" is very telling. Vinny has been clear in comments made since that time that he said nothing was happening instead of just "No Comment" because he didn't want to send a red flag to other teams around the league, and more specifically within our own division, that something was close to done because it may have created a bidding war of some sort. I think that is a good move, and to expect someone to potentially screw up a deal just so someone who has constantly bashed him can get a scoop on a story is ridiculous.

Finally, I don't think there is much room for interpretation on the quote from the NFL spokesman. Seems pretty cut and dry to me, and it is very different in tone than how Emilio Garcia-Ruiz tried to spin it on this very blog. Furthermore, why in the world would the Post forbid anyone from commenting publicly on the issue if they were convinced they had nothing to hide?

Again, I appreciate the open discussion, I just don't see how the Jason-defending point of view is justifiable in light of everything we know about him and the FO at this point.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Darrell, let's go have fun in our happy make-believe fantasy world. We'll make stuff up and have opinions about the stuff we make up because fantasy worlds are magical like that/

Posted by: Darrell Dallas' Imaginary Friend Tony Romy | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

QB: Baugh, Jurgenson
RB: Riggins
FB: Riggins
WR: Monk, Taylor, Clark, Jefferson
TEs: Smith
Ts: Jacoby, Lachey
Gs: Grimm
C: Hauss, Bostic

DEs: Mann, Manley
DTs: Butz
LBs: Hanburger, Huff
CBs: Green, Bailey
Ss: Houston, Fisher
Kr: Nelms, BMitch

Coach: Gibbs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess the Gorgeous George Michaels fans have arrived.

The blog IQ has dropped like a stone.

Posted by: stumped | September 24, 2008 3:32 PM
Wait is that King George Michaels, or George arrested in a mens room agin Michaels?
Sorry I get the nicknames all mixed up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Not sure whether this is political, but both candidates just requested to postpone Friday night's debate* so they could do senator work on the bailout bill.

* I didn't know there was a presidential debate on Friday night either.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM

Actually it's just McCain who did this. Just a campaign stunt. He can't multitask and do both?

Don't you think that as POTUS you're going to have to deal with more than just 1 problem at the same time?

Posted by: Actually | September 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL.

Rock Cartwright Rules.

Your momma/wife jokes drool.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM

And your mom swallows.

Posted by: And... | September 24, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Stu - I hope that is the case about preventing the big play to Boldin or Fitzgerald, but it seemed like when we gave up the check down they converted quite a few times. That just keeps their drives going, a chance for them to establish momentum, and wears our defense out by keeping them on the field longer. But, I guess I'd rather have that then them get a quick score...

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

We should cancel all debates. Then we should hang ourselves.

Posted by: All Your Senators, Congressmen, etc. | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL.

Rock Cartwright Rules.

Your momma/wife jokes drool.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM

And your mom swallows.

Posted by: And... | September 24, 2008 3:35 PM

ZING!!! Good one. I just heard the bell ring better get to class before you get sent to the principals office. Chooch

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The LaChumpfora cronies have been reduced to the "your wife" and "your Momma" jokes. Says a lot about the intellect required to be a LaCrapforya fan.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Emmitt took himself out of the running for my team because he failed to pass the required elocutionary exam. I will consider him next year if he can demonstrate significant improvement in his enunciation.

P.S. I gave Irvin a waiver on the drug and uncontrollable rage tests.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

ZING!!! Good one. I just heard the bell ring better get to class before you get sent to the principals office. Chooch

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM

That bell you heard was your own alarm clock. Me and ur wife were fooling around and accidentially kicked it. Sorry bout that, I'll buy you a new alarm clock.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Foregots to menshun, ey, and mi brothrr, Slam pecans, hoo iz alzo muh cuzin, iz gon bee et da geym un sundi...

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The LaChumpfora cronies have been reduced to the "your wife" and "your Momma" jokes. Says a lot about the intellect required to be a LaCrapforya fan.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM

Actually I'm anti-La Canfora. Take that and cram it, ma'am.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ZING!!! Good one. I just heard the bell ring better get to class before you get sent to the principals office. Chooch

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:37 PM

That bell you heard was your own alarm clock. Me and ur wife were fooling around and accidentially kicked it. Sorry bout that, I'll buy you a new alarm clock.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM

And that "thud" you heard was your credibility hitting zero, Jason

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a wife Chooch try again.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse


Alex, Bullet Bob Hayes would run past D. Green like a bureaucrat vacating HUD at 5:01pm.

Nate, yes sir, the up and down move is a must. It was just a little razzle-dazzle to irritate the opposition and set the Cowboys apart...just a touch of the razzmatazz that made the 70s Boys so unique and appealing - even to the RFK faithful, secretly.:) Just a little Felix Unger for you Oscar Madisons up north. Dorsett gets the nod over Emmitt because he ran with elegance, like the wind blowing Grace Kelly's scarf in her convertable - style my friend, style.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I gave Irvin a waiver on the drug and uncontrollable rage tests.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:38 PM

I guess, technically, in the whole scissors-to-neck thing, he did pass the "No Running With Scissors" test.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

like the wind blowing Grace Kelly's scarf in her convertable - style my friend, style.

Posted by: Darrell Dallas | September 24, 2008 3:40 PM

Not the greatest analogy there my friend.

Posted by: Prince Albert | September 24, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Lets see Darell D, I'll take the Hogs over your line every day and twice on Sundays. Riggins or Larry Brown? Riggins lasted longer, but Brown was the best until that carpet in Philly tore his knee up. He was Emmitt before Emmitt

Sonny or Sammy Baugh vs Staubach? Fair fight there.

Art Monk and Charley Taylor as WRs, with Bobby Mitchell or Gary Clark. No contest. Not even a whiff of close there. Lots of good tight ends in the mix. Jerry Smith might be the best of the Skins over the years, but both teams have had good ones.

D-line, I'll give you an edge. Dave Butz and Dexter Manley were both beasts.

LBs. Hanburgur has more Pro Bowl appearances than any guy not in the Hall. London Fletcher is a beast, but Sam Huff was even beastier. Ken Harvey or Wilbur Marshall?

Secondary gets interesting. 20 years of Darrell Green trumps a few years of Deion. Two best cover guys I've ever seen and I have no idea who is thrid. Safety. Ken Houston. I'm sure Walt Garrison remembers him. Paul Krause was the all-time leader in picks (might still be). And Sean Taylor. Yeah. I'm not fearing your secondary as much as your fearing mine.

And returning kicks. Darrell Green.

Coach: Lombardi or Gibbs? Hmmm...

Back at ya

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

beep beep (new thread)

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Alex, Bullet Bob Hayes would run past D. Green like a bureaucrat vacating HUD at 5:01pm."

While I disagree over which man is/was faster, Mr. Dallas, I do admit I enjoyed your little zinger directed at the typical GS worker in DC. I would add, though, that if the particular work day was Friday, the said bureaucrat would either have 1) "flexed" or 2) "not taken lunch" and either way would be long gone by 5:01 pm.

The Cowgirls still suck.

Posted by: Ed | September 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And you still didn't answer my question about Fox referring to all other candidates using their middle names. Wonder why?

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:42 PM

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Because, no other candidate and their disciples (including the drive-by media) has made such a consorted effort to distance themselves from their middle name and it's islamic origins. As well as trying to distance themselves from said islamic roots, and chastise those who reference them or his middle name.

Posted by: rickmort | September 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I have lissened to the show and so far there was 1 call critical of him, about how he seemed to be obsessed with going after JLC, and a bunch of calls talking about traids from 4 years ago with the only sore spot mentioned being Lloyd. I don't ever picture them taking an unscreened call, but maybe they will who knows.

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 3:21 PM

How is this different than the questions JLC takes. Of course they are both screened, not just the radio show.

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 3:33 PM

Well, on the Vinny Show. I think my final point. That at some point he may slip up and get in real trouble, is the big reason I am against it personally. There is nothing he has said about any past traids that were secrets.

What I was saying about the taylor traid speaks to the same problem. If there are all these rulse about what a GM can and cannot say, then they should probably not say anything, it would be much safer for Vinny if he just did a press blackout on himself. Have a PR man handel that stuff like the POTUS does. You never want to lie to a reporter and know they will find out, it makes you look bad.

And unless you heard the NFL spokesman then you can not say he had a different tone. Neither you or I know what inflections the NFL PR guy was using in that statement weather he was putting the foucs on the fact that jason called or that he was told there was no violation how he was refering to La Canfora's question. His tone could have implied everything about the Kifin question came after the fact that they said nothing could happen. Furthermore he does not ever make a coment that Jason's tone was an effort to get Vinny in trouble.

I would like to concurr that this has been a much more respectful dialague about the topic than there have been in the past two days. Also I apologies for typos.

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually, as of this time, only Senator McCain has suspended campaigning - that could change of course...

See how easy that was - Senator McCain, Senator Obama, Senator Biden, Governor Palin

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

+++No sir you are still on crack. Fox and MSNBC try to appeal to the far right and far left. All the others are pretty much in between---Wise Up

You're half right. Fox IS Far Right. It doesn't even pretend anymore, it's just a mouthpiece for the Administration. But MSNBC is also in between, featuring Very Conservative Mornin' Joe Scarborough and BlowHard Chris Mathews in addition to lefties Olbermann and Maddow.

But you buried the lead. The OVERALL denigration of news values works to the Far Right's benefit, as conglomerates are making money and real news goes uncovered in favor of gossip, scandal and various dog and pony shows.

Take the current election (please). It uninformative and all but unwatchable. It's an American Idol Show. Rather than pay reporters to report they pay "pundits" to shout at each other.
Meanwhile all other races and almost all other issues go uncovered.

When thw spaceships land to sort through the rubble, let's hope they can find some old air checks to get a good idea how it all went down.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not defending JLC, but I'm really surprised at how many Skins fans jump to the defense of Vinny Cerrato. What has Vinny Cerrato ever done for you? Hell, what has he ever done right at all? Given that every Skins fan I know wishes we had a real GM, not a Snyder yes-man, I assume that most of these posts are from just a few people. Are you all related to Danny and Vinny?

Personally, I'd trade Vinny Cerrato for a wet fart. Why do you guys like him so much?

Posted by: Stinky Vinny | September 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain is suspending his campaign so that he could go back and study his Econ 101 books from school. Opportunistic is the word here.
What's more important ? One of these 2 guys will be PRESIDENT. It's not like the rest of Congress can't figure out the bailout package without them. They need to continue campaigning so that America can choose and make the right decision. The next 4 years of YOUR decisions are more important than a huge immediate issue that an entire Congress can work on. Prioritize!

Posted by: mark | September 24, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

PS. I fricking hate the Cowboys.

Posted by: mark | September 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

wet fart? ROFLOL. Hope you get some new skivvies in the deal.

Posted by: mark | September 24, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Week 4 quarterback rankings
Rank Name Team Opponent
Berry
Harris
Kuselias
Karabell Average
1 Jay Cutler Broncos @KC 2 2 2 1 1.8
2 Tony Romo Cowboys Was 5 1 1 2 2.3
3 Drew Brees Saints SF 1 5 3 7 4.0
4 Kurt Warner Cardinals @NYJ 8 3 4 5 5.0
5 Philip Rivers Chargers @Oak 7 4 5 4 5.0
6 Donovan McNabb Eagles @Chi 3 6 9 3 5.3
7 J.T. O'Sullivan 49ers @NO 4 11 7 9 7.8
8 Aaron Rodgers Packers @TB 10 7 6 12 8.8
9 Carson Palmer Bengals Cle 11 8 11 6 9.0
10 Brett Favre Jets Ari 12 9 8 8 9.3
11 Trent Edwards Bills @StL 6 12 10 11 9.8
12 Jake Delhomme Panthers Atl 9 13 13 10 11.3
13 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers Bal 14 10 12 18 13.5
14 David Garrard Jaguars Hou 15 15 17 13 15.0
15 Derek Anderson Browns @Cin 18 14 15 14 15.3
16 Jason Campbell Redskins @Dal 13 16 18 17 16.0
17 Brian Griese Buccaneers GB 17 19 14 16 16.5
18 Kerry Collins Titans Min 19 21 22 15 19.3
19 JaMarcus Russell Raiders SD 16 18 24 20 19.5
20 Matt Schaub Texans @Jac 21 17 19 23 20.0
21 Matt Ryan Falcons @Car 20 20 21 19 20.0
22 Trent Green Rams Buf 22 23 16 21 20.5
23 Gus Frerotte Vikings @Ten 25 24 20 22 22.8
24 Kyle Orton Bears Phi 24 22 23 24 23.3
25 Joe Flacco Ravens @Pit 23 25 26 26 25.0

Posted by: Jz | September 24, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The top of the Week 4 ESPN.com NFL power rankings is an exclusive neighborhood. It helps to have an NFC East address.

The Dallas Cowboys lead the pack for the third consecutive week, but suddenly they're crowded by familiar foes. The New York Giants -- who, despite their reigning Super Bowl champion status, usually have occupied a mid-top-10 slot in our rankings -- are No. 2. And despite suffering a Sept. 15 loss to the Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles are elbowing their NFC East brethren for the spotlight at No. 3.

The only NFC East team not among the top 5 is the Washington Redskins, who register at No. 15 this week.

Posted by: Redface | September 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

It's hard for me to understand how many of you, or how one of you posting many times, just don't get it. The whole controversy had nothing to do with who made it public, or how or when. The issue is that the beat writer who is supposed to cover the team and serve the readers, destroyed his credibility with the team by attempting to get the team in trouble with the league.
He now will get even less information from the team, and so then we the fans will get less information.

His job is to get information and report the facts. It is up for argument whether or not that should include his opinion, be that as it may... if he can't get the facts from the team he can't do his job. If he can't do his job the Post should get someone who can, and at this point that means anyone. Anyone at all.

It was strongly inferred by the team many times during the off season that it would be better for all if they assigned someone else to the team. They decided to pump up their chest and prove nobody would tell them how to run their paper. Now the guy they put their faith in, has irrevocably destroyed his credibility and the Post's along with it at Redskins Park. They will get no priveleged information, no player insights, no facts until they read them in the Times. This can't be good and even they should see that the best course is just put someone else there. There are probably only about 10,000 sports journalists out there that would kill for the gig, and they can't be any less knowledgable, or less liked than this guy.

If it was your business and it was being hurt, you would do it, so why do you defend this guy that has done nothing to deserve it.

Posted by: JT | September 24, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

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