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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 12/ 1/2010

Final five provide a chance to evaluate young players

By Jason Reid

It seems the Redskins are all but eliminated from playoff contention, but they still have important work ahead of them in their remaining five games.

Coach Mike Shanahan will watch players closely down the stretch, continuing his season-long evaluation of the 53-man roster, and we examine that important process in today's On Football. Several first- and second-year players have been given opportunities to contribute for the Redskins (5-6), who have dropped three of four.

"I think they've been stepping up, making a lot of plays," outside linebacker Lorenzo Alexander said. "Guys filling in [well] with some good coaching, good athletes."

The Redskins' young players are practicing hard and listening to the coaches and veterans, top wide receiver Santana Moss said.

"Those guys play football," Moss said. "When you're a young guy, you have a chance to learn. You have a chance to learn from guys that are ahead of you. And when it's your time to get in and play, then it's time to put all that young stuff out the door and step up and be able to take on the challenge."

By Jason Reid  | December 1, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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Comments


it's hard to believe folks are talking about running the table. we can't even run the football

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Hessone and his drinking buddy Diesel44 at the Redskins game:

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http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/11/29/redskins-fan-brawls-with-two-other-redskins-fans/

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 1, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse


@ Chia_Pest

don't drink, next

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I said this weeks ago... ergo Austin: In, Galloway: Gone.

But, whatever. I don't think Stupidhan is going to bench Rabach and give Montgomery another look. I don't think he's going to start Kevin Barnes at CB for a game. The guy is a dead beat. Whatever.

And I like Santana Moss and all that, but can we please stop quoting him? If he actually had something to say, it would be different, but he doesn't. "Young guys are younger and learning and when they get in they got to do what they learnt."

Please.

I liked him better when he was carving up defenses and scoring TDs. Dropping passes and adding horrible quotes is starting to make me wish he were gone. Maybe he's a nice place to start building for the future and checking out young talent at wideout.

I'm pissed. Sorry. This Giants game is going to be just that: Giant's game. I will try to watch, but I have a feeling things will get to Philly MNF level unless something really unexpected happens... like if Rex Grossman gets in the game and rushes for 200 yards. I mean, he should at least know who to block on blitz pickups. What's so crazy about Rex at RB?

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 1, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Final five provide a chance to evaluate young players

This, to me, is a faulty exercise.

Young players should've been involved in team play all season long to gain both experience and evalution of skill and technique.

For example, we've gone an entire with two third rounders--Jeremy Jarmon and Kevin Barnes--not seeing any true playing time.

Who does that?

And now, where the coaches couldn't figure out a way to involve them and other young players, they can just because it looks like we won't make the playoffs?

Who does that?


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse


For example, we've gone an entire with two third rounders--Jeremy Jarmon and Kevin Barnes--not seeing any true playing time.

Who does that?

And now, where the coaches couldn't figure out a way to involve them and other young players, they can just because it looks like we won't make the playoffs?

Who does that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 7:46 AM |

moe, you know, it's called "WIN NOW". if we don't change the way we do business it'll be "LOSE NOW" for the foreseeable future

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan isn't evaluating these players because we're "out of the playoff race." He's playing them because we have no other options due to injuries and lack of talent. Most of these guys were horrible draft picks of Cerrato and we're now forced to play them. We've already gotten rid of players like Devin Thomas and Tryon, and it's going to take another offseason or two to get rid of the other horrible picks like Jarmon, Barnes, and Kelly.

Posted by: Section104 | December 1, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse


Get a good nights sleep and I'll see you back here bright and early to give you a lesson on women.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 30, 2010 4:19 PM |
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that's alright, I already know how to use my hand

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

All you have to do is look at the leaders of this team...the ones who are always being quoted ( Portis, Moss, and Meangelo Hall)and that should tell you why we are losing. We need to get rid of all of these clowns and start over with guys who have an idea about the game. Remember when we were winning the leaders were Monk, Grimm and May...different mind set,team first

Posted by: lesterbill | December 1, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

moe, POST of the Day, bravo to you, because you NAILED it...seems like MShanny has been flip flopping on this win now/build for the future thing all year long.....didn't haslett just sing the praises of Barnes, saying how smart a player he was, and yet he's been virtually BURIED all year long....how is it that you can be very intelligent, but not get any pt...something is amiss....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Since the Optimism Bus is still running (at least for 1 more week) I'll bring this up: How come earlier in the week JReid was talking about another season like 2007 where we ran the table and made the playoffs and now, just 2 days later, he runs this crap post about us giving up cause to him "It seems the Redskins are all but eliminated from playoff contention". Way to contradict yourself jackazz! I know it is unlikely that we'll make the playoffs, but there is still a chance. Guess I really shouldn't expect that much from a Non-Redskins Fan posting on RI!
Oh well, Optimism Bus rolling on today, next stop, PlayAction's house! Beep-beep, stop playing with yourself in the back seat!

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

hessone

if we don't change the way we do business it'll be "LOSE NOW" for the foreseeable future


Respective to the use and evaluation of young players, look at how NE got two rookie TEs and rookies on defense starting early.

Kansas City--one of the younger teams in the league--rebuilt itself by throwing it's young'ns on the field right away.

Now, at mid season, in btoh places, those guys are confident NFL players.

To flip it around, a kid like T Austin should've seen playing time at the same time A Armstrong was getting his.

If he's not NFL quality, why is he even on the team?

Play'em and let them earn their keep.

In my mind, if you draft'em, design something for them to do, and get them on the rield.

The days of letting a guy ride the bench to 'learn the game' are over given the rules of FA, contracts, and the big money involved.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

JR is a closet Battlestar Galactica fan.

Posted by: mmurchison | December 1, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Think we've known all along that Shanny is a poor judge of talent, and we've since discover that he knows even less about how to use whatever talent he may have.

Hence he'll keep playing the geezers and never-weres until long past their prime -- and hide and neglect the youngsters until they lose interest or move along.

Old Shanny may be adept at devising schemes, but all that makes him is a schemer -- not necessarily a coach, leader, trainer or mentor.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

vic1

Hence he'll keep playing the geezers and never-weres until long past their prime -- and hide and neglect the youngsters until they lose interest or move along.


Amen.

He got rid of a lot of older players leftover from Marty, Gibbs, Zorn, and Spurrier, and replaced them with league-wide/back up types named Holliday, Kemoteau, Bryant, Hicks, Buchanan, Parker, Johnson, Galloway, Williams, Grossman, and re-upped a $21 million devil known in these parts as "AH".

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I got no problem with buchanon, he's played well in parts, however he should have been splitting time with barnes from day 1...the idea of 'not wanting to play rookies, and wanting to rely on veterans' is straight out of 1980....stupid and leads to what we have now with this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Someonne call a funeral home.

This place is dead.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"Since training camp, defensive coordinator Jim Haslett has expressed interest in finding opportunities for Barnes, who has played in nine games combined the past two seasons, mostly on special teams.


Austin is another intriguing player. On Saturday, the Redskins released 16-year veteran Joey Galloway and promoted Austin from the practice squad. It was obvious for weeks that Galloway, once among the NFL's top deep threats, was no longer a productive option"

These two statements are mind boggling to me...just absolute failure, and an indictment on behalf of this coaching staff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I got no problem with buchanon, he's played well in parts, however he should have been splitting time with barnes from day 1...the idea of 'not wanting to play rookies, and wanting to rely on veterans' is straight out of 1980....stupid and leads to what we have now with this team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see the young guys thrown in there as well. If Doc and Lick-my-sh*tter can rotate, then why not Young/Sellers, Austin/Galloway, Buchanon/Barnes, McIntosh/Riley, etc.
Capers and Cook are the exceptions because I guess they need work on technique, but I do agree most of them should have at least been put in the game during certain situations.

My only problem with playing the young players is this: Does it send the message to the team that we are 'rebuilding' and giving up on the season? Not necessarily now, cause we have a very slim chance to make the playoffs, but a few weeks ago, people up here were talking about playing the young players. Would the vets have given up a little and not tried as hard when the younguns got playing time?

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

that's alright, I already know how to use my hand

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 7:57 AM

Cool...was thinking it would be a waste of time anyway...slipped my mind that you have been known to solicit certain sexual favors from guys on here.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Calm down Greg.

Posted by: mack1 | December 1, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

that's alright, I already know how to use my hand

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 7:57 AM

Cool...was thinking it would be a waste of time anyway...slipped my mind that you have been known to solicit certain sexual favors from guys on here.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Is that where DIVE ASS comes from?

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

monk

My only problem with playing the young players is this: Does it send the message to the team that we are 'rebuilding' and giving up on the season?

Playing deep into your roster tells every player that no job is safe and that you must earn playing time, not expect to play just because you're a vet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The fact that we only have a limited number of draft picks next year should be a motivation for the coaches to try the young guys so that we know what we have. I would like to see what Barnes, Austin, Cooke, and Capers can do so that we can use our limited number of picks prudently.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | December 1, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

monk co-sign, especially with the guys who were active during games...no reason not to get them involved....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Well, they should have started the year playing the young players, not just wait till the end of the year when we are out of it! In fact, he should have labeled it 'rebuilding' right from the beginning so that 5-6 would have looked good right now cause we are overachieving, but having all these unrealistic expectations got everyone's hopes up. But that Koolaid was pretty good, wasn't it? Oh well, GO YOUTH MOVEMENT!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Respective to the use and evaluation of young players, look at how NE got two rookie TEs and rookies on defense starting early.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:24 A

the skins have 2 te's better than the pats and produce big plays when sleepy davis and capt chaos are on the field together... kyle shanny doesn't know how to adapt to the talent he does have...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Respective to the use and evaluation of young players, look at how NE got two rookie TEs and rookies on defense starting early.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:24 A

the skins have 2 te's better than the pats and produce big plays when sleepy davis and capt chaos are on the field together... kyle shanny doesn't know how to adapt to the talent he does have...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Very true about the TE's, but about the defense, Haslett doesn't know how to adapt to the talent, or lack-there-of, that we have.

I know this is basically 4-3 personnel playing in a 3-4 scheme, but he should have been playing young players AND old to see who fit, as well as call plays to put the players he has NOW in a better position to make plays, not just teach the defense to everyone and if they make plays, good, if not, well just try harder next time.

Every time I see a shot of Haslett on the sidelines it drives me nuts cause he is always looking over to someone else with a p*ssed off look on his face. Hey Jim, you should be p*ssed at yourself for not adapting and making adjustments! Don't be surprised that your defense gets outplayed almost every week!

That being said, I am willing to give Haslett another chance cause I know he is lacking the right players at certain positions.

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Jeez... all but eliminated.... if Riley doesn't throw that block, and Philly was to lose tomorrow, our game vs Giants would be for first place.

One play is pretty huge in a 16 game season.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 1, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't think shanny is afraid to play young players, he has kept and played many guys over the course of the season, torain williams armstong, banks.... my guess is that the others haven't shown enough and are most likely marginal nfl talent at best.. folks the cubbard is bare... we only need like 45 new players and we will be allright.. we are paying now for the mismanagement of our past...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | December 1, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

thoughts on bringing in Sabby Piscatelli for a look see at Safety...TBay just cut him...he was a 2nd round pick in 07.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

We've already gotten rid of players like Devin Thomas and Tryon, and it's going to take another offseason or two to get rid of the other horrible picks like Jarmon, Barnes, and Kelly.

Posted by: Section104 | December 1, 2010 7:55 AM

Devin Thomas may end up being like Brandon Lloyd......

Tryon is holding his own in Indy, getting playing time on defense and returning KOs.

Jarmon was a good pick for the 4-3, unfortunetely(sp?) we switched defenses and away from his strengths.

Barnes playing time on defense has been limited to date.

And Malcolm Kelly had to have shown Shanny something to still be put on I.R. instead of being cut. And next year may be a good beginning for him....but that's TBD.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Respective to the use and evaluation of young players, look at how NE got two rookie TEs and rookies on defense starting early.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 8:24 A

the skins have 2 te's better than the pats and produce big plays when sleepy davis and capt chaos are on the field together... kyle shanny doesn't know how to adapt to the talent he does have...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Very true about the TE's, but about the defense, Haslett doesn't know how to adapt to the talent, or lack-there-of, that we have.

I know this is basically 4-3 personnel playing in a 3-4 scheme, but he should have been playing young players AND old to see who fit, as well as call plays to put the players he has NOW in a better position to make plays, not just teach the defense to everyone and if they make plays, good, if not, well just try harder next time.

Every time I see a shot of Haslett on the sidelines it drives me nuts cause he is always looking over to someone else with a p*ssed off look on his face. Hey Jim, you should be p*ssed at yourself for not adapting and making adjustments! Don't be surprised that your defense gets outplayed almost every week!

That being said, I am willing to give Haslett another chance cause I know he is lacking the right players at certain positions.

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 9:30 AM |
change to the 3-4 is dumbest move in recent memory!!! gregg williams' and greg blache's defenses were not fun to watch but those defenses got the job done!!! don't give me "the skins don't have the personnel" line... the had enough time to bring in guys familiar with the 3-4 in the off season and didn't... also, williams and blache had some sort of personality even if blache hated the media... he was brutally honest when he did give an interview... btw, gregg williams now has a super bowl ring as a defensive coordinator!!!

fire haslett now!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas may end up being like Brandon Lloyd......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and it came out my nose! Thanks for the laugh, my nose hairs were singed off though....

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

while i'm at it ....you can't misfire three times in the first round on a QB Shuler,Ramsey, Campell,that in itself is a recipe for mediocrity... add missing on a big time WR westbrook and 50/50 while ingnoring your oline and firing coaches, changing philosphies, and signing every big name free agent to contracts you can't get out of and its amazing we even win ang of 7 games a year over the past 10....stabilty and idenity ..a style of play lead by a quality coach and good front office and a QB on the field... thats the basis of being a winning organization... I think shannyallen will draft and sign players that fit an idenity but we are in the process of unwinding the past and hitting bottom...Think of the "swinging Gate " as the line in the sand that changed the thinking of snyder to get some competent NFL people to run this team...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | December 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Final five provide a chance to evaluate young players"

Good.

I like it just because we can evaluate guys like Capers and Cooke to see if we have anything there. I am not sold that evaluating their practice work is the only way to tell if they can play. Some guys are just game day warriors. Put them in and give them a try.

If we get lucky and one of them looks like a winner, it's one less desperate draft hole we need to fill.

Either put Rabach on IR or waive him to make room. If we waive him, NOBODY is going to sign him, so we can always bring him back if it doesn't work out (though I have trouble imagining how much worse it can get...). Same with Dockery.

Let's get these guys valuable playing time and get some real evaluation in on them at the same time.

Posted by: edvar | December 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Giants WR Devin Thomas tries to find a home with Giants, prepares to face Redskins

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Thomas was claimed by the Giants last week after he was waived by the Panthers. It’s his third team in seven weeks. He was unceremoniously released by the Redskins earlier this season, an abrupt departure from the team that selected him in the second round of 2008 draft. On
Sunday, Thomas has a chance to play against the Redskins for the first time.

“I just feel like different situations cause that to happen,” Thomas said last week of his transient career. “Things are a little bit unstable in Washington, and it didn’t work out quite that well there. In Carolina, they have other issues to worry about other than receivers.”

Thomas arrived in Washington with considerable hype — he was the No. 34 overall pick out of Michigan State, drafted ahead of receivers such as DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal and Mario Manningham — but fizzled in his rookie season. According to the Washington Post, several veterans criticized Thomas’ commitment to practice and study habits.

His work ethic improved last season while earning 10 starts, including a 100-yard, two-touchdown performance in a loss to the Saints. That was before an offseason overhaul to the coaching staff brought Mike Shanahan as head coach and son Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator.

Thomas never developed the trust of the new regime. Falling asleep during a preseason meeting did not help. He was placed on the trading block in early October and released shortly thereafter without recording a single catch.

“I definitely was surprised,” Thomas said. “When things happen like that, other opportunities present themselves. Right now, for me to be here, is a blessing. Unfortunately, I wasn’t up to speed with (the Redskins) but they had other things going on.”

Thomas spent six weeks with Carolina, who suffered injuries throughout the offense. Thomas never received an opportunity to settle. He said when they waived him, they contacted the Giants knowing the Giants needed receivers with Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks sidelined and Ramses Barden and Victor Cruz on injured reserve.

Upon arriving in New Jersey, he said the team told him they rated him highly in 2008. Thomas interviewed with the team at the scouting combine. The Giants drafted Manningham one round after Thomas.

“I’m just thankful to be somewhere that’s stable,” Thomas said. The Giants “have a stable organization, a stable quarterback situation, and so it should be a good opportunity for me to come in and make some plays.”

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/12/giants_wr_devin_thomas_tries_t.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"Final five provide a chance to evaluate young players"

Good.

I like it just because we can evaluate guys like Capers and Cooke to see if we have anything there. I am not sold that evaluating their practice work is the only way to tell if they can play. Some guys are just game day warriors. Put them in and give them a try.

If we get lucky and one of them looks like a winner, it's one less desperate draft hole we need to fill.

Either put Rabach on IR or waive him to make room. If we waive him, NOBODY is going to sign him, so we can always bring him back if it doesn't work out (though I have trouble imagining how much worse it can get...). Same with Dockery.

Let's get these guys valuable playing time and get some real evaluation in on them at the same time.

Posted by: edvar | December 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Oh goody! A double post.

Sorry...

Posted by: edvar | December 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Finally, some realism creeps in.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 1, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas may end up being like Brandon Lloyd......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Sure, Blache had personality, but THIS ISN'T A PERSONALITY CONTEST, it's FOOTBALL. Blache constantly played people out of position and the CBs ALWAYS played 10 yards off the WRs. I'm glad Blache is gone, but I did like Greg Williams, was very sad to see him go. I liked his aggressiveness, he sent blitzes from everywhere. It's cool he has a ring, but it didn't hurt that he had Brees and the well oiled Saints Offensive Machine! Just saying......

Posted by: monk811 | December 1, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins biggest problem is turnover at the coaching/decision making positions....

Read above how when everyone goes to the Giants, the 1st thing they claim is Stability.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon getting time on defense is probably one of the reasons the Colts are down. They are banged up and playing backups.

Jarmon ripped his knee late November of last year. It takes 1-2 full years to completely recover. I wouldn't write him off as a complete bust yet.

Outside of the MNF debacle, this is about what was to be expected with this team. They are around .500 and play hard for the most part. There was little we could do in free agency last year. If we can hit on our draft picks and sign some good players instead of throwing absurd money at 1 guy we could see a fairly quick turnaround.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | December 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas may end up being like Brandon Lloyd......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 1, 2010 10:03 AM

I know, I would have said the same thing after watching Lloyd here......But he has now performed before and after his stop in Washington.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Regular consulting firm up here. "Take whatever you are doing and do the opposite. That should fix all your problems."

Another favorite lately.

F what the coaches see in practice. Not playing "Player X" is beyond galactically stupid.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Peyton Manning throwing so many picks is one of the reasons the Colts are down

fixed it for ya....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Shanny adept at devising schemes? On offense sure, but he did "scheme" a top 10 4-3 D into a 33rd ranked 3-4. Talk about NOT using your talent. This may be the worst schemeing ever in the history of mankind.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 1, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I know, I would have said the same thing after watching Lloyd here......But he has now performed before and after his stop in Washington.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Dude, come on, you sound hopelessly ignorant to keep talking about Thomas and Lloyd. For one thing, Lloyd had been over 3 times as productive as DT over the course of his first 3 seasons in the NFL.

Lloyd's first 3 years netted him over 1500 yds, 110 catches and 13 TDS.

Your misunderstood superhero DT11 over 3 years: 445 yds, 40 catches, 3 TDS. HE CAN'T PLAY!

Lloyd was considered a failure after his 4th year even putting up these #'s. So what does that make Thomas?

By your reasoning any scrub wideout on the fringes of the league should be viewed as "The next possible B Lloyd."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Either put Rabach on IR or waive him to make room. If we waive him, NOBODY is going to sign him, so we can always bring him back if it doesn't work out (though I have trouble imagining how much worse it can get...). Same with Dockery.

Let's get these guys valuable playing time and get some real evaluation in on them at the same time.

Posted by: edvar | December 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse
Agreed, Rabach is pure garbage and no one would take him even if you payed them, but this is where we stand each and every year. Every team gets younger and better and we get older and "medium"

Posted by: joeboggs | December 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Manning had a terrible game Sunday night. He threw 4 picks but still only has 11 on the season. Yep Peyton is the biggest reason the Colts are not 9-2 again. So thanks for the ever insightful commentary from the resident board genius beantown.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | December 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

That's because BLloyd was a knuckle head who was allowed to play. DT11 was a knuckle head not allowed.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree 4th. Lloyd was good enough to see the field. DT was not.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

" This Giants game is going to be just that: Giant's game. I will try to watch, but I have a feeling things will get to Philly MNF level unless something really unexpected happens... like if Rex Grossman gets in the game and rushes for 200 yards."

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 1, 2010 7:40 AM

I don't buy the assumption of some that we're going to get crushed by the Jints on Sunday. First, it's not like they've been impressing the h@ll out of anybody recently either, losing 2 of their last 3
and beginning what seems to be their usual late-season swoon. Second, their WR corps has benn decimated by injury to the point where they're starting their 3rd WR and a street free agent (Hagan). Finally, the 'Skins have played as well on the road as they have at home this year, if not better. To expect anything approaching the Philly debacle is ridiculous. I think that the G-Men are better and should be favored, but I'm expecting a close game, and it wouldn't shock me if we came out on top.

And "Stupidhan?" Really?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | December 1, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

toad, last 3 games manning has posted ratings of 69, 96, and 59, while throwing 7 interceptions against 6 td's, 2 of the interceptions were returned for touchdowns, and 1 of which ended a possible come back against the pats...but you know, agree to disagree....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse


beeps peeps

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

change to the 3-4 is dumbest move in recent memory!!! gregg williams' and greg blache's defenses were not fun to watch but those defenses got the job done!!! don't give me "the skins don't have the personnel" line... the had enough time to bring in guys familiar with the 3-4 in the off season and didn't... also, williams and blache had some sort of personality even if blache hated the media... he was brutally honest when he did give an interview... btw, gregg williams now has a super bowl ring as a defensive coordinator!!!

fire haslett now!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 1, 2010 9:47 AM
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good points...and yes Haslett has to go..he has never had a dominant defense in the nfl...he get out coached by the other team o-coordinator every game...how he keeps a job as a d-coodinator is unbelievable....

Posted by: BootneyFarnsworth | December 1, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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