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Posted at 6:04 AM ET, 11/25/2010

Roster analysis: Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery and the future at center

By J.I. Halsell
J.I. Halsell

Casey Rabach's MCL tear -- and what some would call ineffectiveness this season -- has led to speculation that this could be the center's final season as a Redskin. Rabach could have been an unrestricted free agent prior to the 2010 season but instead chose to re-sign with Washington. The contract he signed sheds some light on the front office's perspective on his future.

Rabach signed a three-year deal that paid him a $4.2 million signing bonus and $1 million salary in 2010. Ordinarily, from a team salary accounting standpoint, this $4.2 million would have prorated over the three years of the deal. However, by using the same contract mechanism used in the renegotiated contracts of Albert Haynesworth, DeAngelo Hall and Donovan McNabb that allows Rabach to void the final two years of his contract by paying back his $4.2 million signing bonus, the Redskins were able to prevent the signing bonus from prorating and instead kept the accounting of this bonus entirely in the uncapped 2010.

In short, with a $3 million salary looming in 2011, by structuring the signing bonus in this manner, the Redskins can terminate Rabach's contract without cap accounting consequence in 2011, meaning with zero dead money. Had the team not negotiated this provision, Rabach's dead money would have been $2.8 million. Therefore, one can conclude, in part, that the Redskins were uncertain of Rabach's role beyond 2010 and structured a contract accordingly.

Centreville's Will Montgomery, Rabach's replacement last week in Tennessee, also had his contract renegotiated prior to the 2010 season. That renegotiation that could prove advantageous for the Redskins.

In 2010, Montgomery was slated to play under the non-guaranteed, one-year restricted free agent tender of $1.2 million and could potentially have become an unrestricted free agent heading into 2011. A few days prior to the season opener, the Redskins renegotiated his contract to include a second year of 2011.

Montgomery's renegotiated contract reduced his 2010 salary from $1.2 million to $630,000 with a guaranteed 2010 bonus of $120,000 and per-game roster bonuses of $3,125 for each game he's on the 45-man active roster (totaling $50,000 if he's on the active roster for all 16 games). His 2011 contract year contains no guaranteed money, and, in addition to a $640,000 salary, also has per-game roster bonuses totaling $110,000.

If Montgomery proves to be the Redskins' short-term solution at center in lieu of Rabach, then the Redskins' front office did a great job of securing Montgomery's rights at a lower price than what it would have been had he become a free agent after 2010.


A native Washingtonian, J.I. Halsell spent two seasons as a salary cap analyst for the Washington Redskins. Prior to his tenure in Washington, he spent two years working in the NFL Management Council, and now pens a blog entitled "Under the Cap" for FootballOutsiders.com. Follow him on Twitter at @SalaryCap101.

By J.I. Halsell  | November 25, 2010; 6:04 AM ET
Categories:  Casey Rabach, Roster analysis, Will Montgomery  
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Not trying to be first, just the Best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Roster analysis: Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery and the future at center

Center, right/left guard, defensive tackle, free safety,and right tackle are immediate draft needs.

And with respect to the offensive/defensive line needs, we hope the team eschews the FA route as what we want to see are top flight young players put in place.

The folks who ape about the previous redskin management's talent management of the offensive line seem to have not noticed that the Wizards of Redskin Park didn't draft and develope defensive linemen, either.

The philosophy was to find 'scrap' players in the hopes that J Bugel or Greg Blache could turn some pig into a redskin Hawg.

The new folks understand that it's okay to spend top picks on lineman--the very necessary players you just don't see.

We can add a safety, 2 wide receivers, and an outside linebacker in FA with no prob.

(And where I know this flows against the argument, we must also take a long, hard look at a young quarterback at some point.)

But as for the men up front on both sides of the ball, we hope the upcoming draft consistents of a dull production of dudes who can block and tackle and rush the passer.

We want lineman.

And we want them now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to be the turkey. Just trying to give thanks.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 25, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Pouncey, C FLA 10 years.


Assuming 'skins finish, oh 8-8, mightbe able to trade down a few spots and pick up this guy last int he first as PITT did with his brother, plus garner a low second or third. This depends on how desperate someone might be to move up.

So 'skins pick this guy, move Monty to Giuard, or let Poiuncey play Guard. Then select the best Defensive player and either another OL or good defebnsive player with next two picjks, in the second round.

Replace Haslett with a new DC, someone who0 WILL PLAY MOSTLY a 4-3, matching Redskins personnel.

FA a couple of slots, expect one of Shanahan's unknown RBS to gain 1000 plus and next season should be a move up.

Happy T day. Off to see the fam for the big eat-fest.

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"No more drugs for me, puzzy and religion is all I need..."

Kanye West

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse


happy thanksgiving RI peeps !

Posted by: hessone | November 25, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say that I liked Monty's attitude on Sunday, definately showed some real potential and held his own. So far, so good - we'll have to see where it goes from here. A good test will be this Sunday vs. the Vikes top-notch d-line.

Posted by: 4skinz | November 25, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to All!

Definately like this guy's articles beter than the statistician geek's. Good insight to the front office's thought process through contract analysis. Looks like the Skins think Rabach's days are numbered. More reason to be optomistic that we will be looking for a new center in next year's draft.

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Sadly, A Cowpukes win (yuck) today would be helpfull to our playoff hopes, considering that it would be easier to catch up to the Saints than the Falcons. Wanting them to win sort of ruins one of my Thanksgiving traditions, but if it helps us get into the playoffs I can live with it.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 25, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Replace Haslett with a new DC, someone who0 WILL PLAY MOSTLY a 4-3, matching Redskins personnel.

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2010 8:21 AM

Some Thanksgiving table is missing its turkey.

Why did Shanahan hire Haslett in the first place? Because he wants to run a 3-4, not a 4-3. The way you run a 3-4 is you get the personnel you need, not revert to a 4-3.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 25, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Redskins draft for the interior of the offensive line next year but I don't think they have to spend a first rounder on a center. I'd like to see the first round pick go toward a mammoth, lunch eating defensive tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 25, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

A good test will be this Sunday vs. the Vikes top-notch d-line.


This is a legit issue.

The vikes might decide to take the lions' route and attack the gaps in the redskin line to 'blow up' protection schemes.

I'd start the game with McNabb in the shot gun and--something we haven't seen all year--have the pocket 'move' to give him extra time.

It--and continuing the screen game--should slow the vikes line.

We stick with our prediction, though:

Redskins 28

Vikings 21

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Doubt that they will give Haslet the Axe. He was brought in with a mandate to create more turnovers, and that he has done even without ideal 3-4 personell. Give the team time and the personell will be changed. This year, with low expectations regardless, was a good time to see which of our current players would work in the 3-4 and who needs to be replaced.

Moe,

Yes the D-line has been neglected too, One of the nice things about the 3-4 is that the type of linemen that you want, big space-eater guys that are not expected to make the big play, should be available in the later rounds of the draft.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 25, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Our first round pick, if we can't trade back, needs to go on the best player available player, because we need EVERYTHING!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

good test will be this Sunday vs. the Vikes top-notch d-line.


This is a legit issue.

The vikes might decide to take the lions' route and attack the gaps in the redskin line to 'blow up' protection schemes.

I'd start the game with McNabb in the shot gun and--something we haven't seen all year--have the pocket 'move' to give him extra time.

It--and continuing the screen game--should slow the vikes line.

We stick with our prediction, though:

Redskins 28

Vikings 21

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Finally a bonafied beating we put on someone.

Skins-35 Vikes-14

Posted by: whess8 | November 25, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The way you run a 3-4 is you get the personnel you need, not revert to a 4-3.



This is why we forecast a dull, unexciting redskin draft featuring a shower of defensive tackles and a sprinkling of 300 pound athletic center/guard types.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

This is why we forecast a dull, unexciting redskin draft featuring a shower of defensive tackles and a sprinkling of 300 pound athletic center/guard types.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:53 AM
Exciting for me.

Posted by: whess8 | November 25, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Brett Favre's first pass in the NFL was against the Redskins and it was an interception run back for the touchdown. I would like his last pass to be the same thing.

As for the big score, I am not thinking there will be a lot of points in this one. Their fill-in coach is a defensive guy. He's going to run the ball, eat up the clock and put a lot on the shoulders of his defense.

Final score: Washington 17, Vikings 14.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 25, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The way you run a 3-4 is you get the personnel you need, not revert to a 4-3.

This is why we forecast a dull, unexciting redskin draft featuring a shower of defensive tackles and a sprinkling of 300 pound athletic center/guard types.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:53 AM
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With homage to Bill Parcells, we could call it the "save the whales" draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 25, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

One of the nice things about the 3-4 is that the type of linemen that you want,


Here're players we might want to start keeping tabs on:

from WalterFootball.com

Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama

Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami

Adrian Clayborn, DE/DT, Iowa

Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State

Cameron Jordan, DE/DT, California

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

This article shines a light on how a good NFL front office operates while also reminding us that we are in for a 2-3 year build.

I truly believe that in 2 years we will all be in awe of how Shanahan got to 8-8 with this roster.

Let's just hope we draft and FA shop smart enough to get a roster that can contend for it all in 2012.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 25, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

This is why we forecast a dull, unexciting redskin draft featuring a shower of defensive tackles and a sprinkling of 300 pound athletic center/guard types.

Well bore me to death, I love it.


Posted by: wireman65 | November 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

One of the good things about cooking a turkey is a lot of down time to blog. Happy Turkey Day all. If I hear Clint Longley's name one more time I'm gonna start drinking.

Posted by: wireman65 | November 25, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

CLINT LONGLEY!

You're welcome.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 25, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Doubt that they will give Haslet the Axe.


Agreed.

It seems the Shanahans/Haslett are just putting in schemes this year, while figuring out just which players can perform what they want to do on both sides of the ball.

Guys like Landry, Orakpo, Alexander, Hall, Armstrong, and some others have done quite well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Why did Shanahan hire Haslett in the first place? Because he wants to run a 3-4, not a 4-3. The way you run a 3-4 is you get the personnel you need, not revert to a 4-3.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 25, 2010 8:37 AM

While I like this direction, this 3-4 will not be as effective as it could be without another LB that can rush the passer like Rak.

Posted by: TWISI | November 25, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

While I like this direction, this 3-4 will not be as effective as it could be without another LB that can rush the passer like Rak.

Posted by: TWISI | November 25, 2010 9:41 AM

Which is why peeps need to be prepared to not see an OL with our 1st pick. You won't find someone like Rak outside of the first rd.

Happy Thanksgiving Day RI!

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 25, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving to all of RI. You are all a miserable bunch of misfits and I'm thankful for all of you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 25, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 25, 2010 9:37 AM |

Yippee!!!!

Posted by: wireman65 | November 25, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Was watching Kris Jenkins on Inside the NFL last night. Lord, he makes Warren Sapp look tiny. If they could find a young DT that size early on in the draft I wouldn't gripe.

Posted by: NYPDee | November 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Which is why peeps need to be prepared to not see an OL with our 1st pick.


This means some very serious decision-making will take place come draft eve.

The offensive coaches and defensive coaches both have the same need: dominate athletic players who can hold their own.

Question is, which side of the ball deserves the 1st rounder?

I'd say the way out of this obvious dilemma would be to trade the 1st pick and later a player (AH), to move down and acquire more picks in the mid rounds.

Our needs on the lines wouldn't be satisfied with 1 or 2 guys next Spring.

So if you can go into the 2011 draft with multiple selections in rounds 2-5, you're better off.

And if that means trading down and parting with dudes (for anything in return) who haven't performed up to their contracts, I'm all for it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Moe, this team is so full of holes it is anyones guess what direction the FO goes.

Another huge need is a huge CB that is a playmaker, especially if CR is not kept. Dez Bryant and Nicks are two WR that need a big physical corner to guard them.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 25, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Happy Turkey Day to all in hamster nation!

It's gonna be a genuine challenge to fill all the holes on this team next year - especially with the limited draft picks we have. Not having any 3rd and 4th rounders hurts...

I advocate for using the 1st rounder for the best game changer on the board - and if that includes a great QB prospect, then I say do it. Getting in a couple of years behind McNabb will be a good thing.

Maybe we can trade our 2nd rounder back for more picks - end of the 2nd round and maybe a 3rd or high 4th. The 2nd and 3rd rounds are good places to find solid interior linemen. So maybe a C and a G there if we're fortunate.

After that, our draft is a mish-mosh of 5th and 6th rounders. Can't expect much there except depth and prospects, but probably no starters from there anytime soon.

Hello FA market!

Gobble...

Posted by: edvar | November 25, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Question is, which side of the ball deserves the 1st rounder?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 9:59 AM

And we won't be in a position to discuss this intelligently until after we see what the Redskins do in free agency.

Of course, if we were looking for intelligent discussion we wouldn't be reading each others' posts on RI (this one included).

Happy Thanksgiving, all turkeys everywhere. You made it through the annual Big Turkey Round-up. Be thankful for that, especially you, C***_***.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 25, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thanksgiving RI!!!!!!!

Since my family is not into Turkey except me, I will be cooking Steaks on the grill today. Not a traditional TG feast but anytime is a good time for steak.

I agree with the first rounder as I said the other day top 15 is to high for a C,G that pick has to be an impact player.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 25, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Replace Haslett with a new DC, someone who0 WILL PLAY MOSTLY a 4-3, matching Redskins personnel.

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

It was Shanny's idea to run a 3-4, not Haslett. Shanny chose Haslett to run the 3-4. I don't see them flipping back to a 4-3 anytime soon.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Happy Thanksgiving RI!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 25, 2010 10:35 AM |

hope you have a good one flound

Posted by: hessone | November 25, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL O' THA' DAY!

Who is the most bitter ex-Redskin?
a) John Riggins
b) LaVar Arrington
c) Brian Mitchell
d) Jason Campbell

Who's the greatest "Bullet" of all time?
a) Elvin "EEEEEE" Hayes
b) Wes Unseld
c) Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
d) Phil Chenier

Who has been the best player acquisition of Allen/Shanahan era so far:
a) Trent "Silverback" Williams
b) Brandon Banks
c) Artis Hicks
d) Donovan McNabb

My ________________makes the nastiest___________ at Thanksgiving

What's the drink of choice today?
a) beer
b) wine
c) Vodka
d) Scotch
e) Tequila
f) I don't drink!

If Jake Locker or Andrew Luck fell to the Skins in the 1st round, should we take them?
a) Yes
b) No

If you could get a 2nd round pick for him, would you trade Laron Landry?
a) Hell No!
b) Hmmm...I'd think about it
c) Absolutely

Have at it RI!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Roster analysis: Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery and the future at center

Center, right/left guard, defensive tackle, free safety,and right tackle are immediate draft needs.

And with respect to the offensive/defensive line needs, we hope the team eschews the FA route as what we want to see are top flight young players put in place.

The folks who ape about the previous redskin management's talent management of the offensive line seem to have not noticed that the Wizards of Redskin Park didn't draft and develope defensive linemen, either.

The philosophy was to find 'scrap' players in the hopes that J Bugel or Greg Blache could turn some pig into a redskin Hawg.

The new folks understand that it's okay to spend top picks on lineman--the very necessary players you just don't see.

We can add a safety, 2 wide receivers, and an outside linebacker in FA with no prob.

(And where I know this flows against the argument, we must also take a long, hard look at a young quarterback at some point.)

But as for the men up front on both sides of the ball, we hope the upcoming draft consistents of a dull production of dudes who can block and tackle and rush the passer.

We want lineman.

And we want them now.
Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 8:11 AM
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I agree with you. Question I have is who do we take in round 1? Taking a Pouncey (likely in the top 15) would not be a wise move seeing as we could get a C/G in round 2 with likely a pick in the 40's. Do we take a T in the top 15 (who should be a LT if taken that high) but we just drafted a LT of the present and future in the 2010 draft #4 overall, Trent Williams. So IMO taking a RT would not be wise in the top 15, because that is what he will be most of his career a RT. We can get by with Brown for another year or 2, he's improving as the year goes on. Or we can pick up a RT like Ryan Harris from the Broncos in FA. Ok so do you take a 3-4 DE in round 1? Now this is very likely because there are a lot of them and they are worthy of the pick. Do you take a 3-4 OlB. Very, very likely because there are a lot of them and we need a pass rush more than anything on the D. Do you take a WR,or RB in round 1 likely but not Shanahan's style to do that. Do you take a CB or QB, likely but too many other needs I say bring back what we have there and get Barnes more PT or upgrade in FA. There are no FS or NT worthy of taking in the top 15 of the draft. Sucks because that's what we need the most on this team.

So when you look at the draft and how it is shaping out I put needs in 1st round like this for us:
1) OLB
2) 3-4 DE
3) WR
4) RB
5) CB
6) OT

Then in the 2nd round or 5th we must get a young NT and C/G on this team. Hopefully we can trade down and get more picks because we have a lot of holes to fix.

Posted by: avbanig | November 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

this team is so full of holes it is anyone's guess what direction the FO goes.

Anyone's quess?

Well, that's why I'm here.

Everyone else in the Northern Hemisphere outside of Canada is spending time with food, family, and football.

Folks are gathered about the electronic flatscreen campfire watching parades, game shows, football shows, and dvds.

Me?: mrsmoe has locked me upstairs away from 'real' people.

"Your family," she said. "Is a bunch of dudes on a WaPo Redskin website."

"Let them feed you."

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So when you look at the draft and how it is shaping out I put needs in 1st round like this for us:
1) OLB
2) 3-4 DE
3) WR
4) RB
5) CB
6) OT

Then in the 2nd round or 5th we must get a young NT and C/G on this team. Hopefully we can trade down and get more picks because we have a lot of holes to fix.

Posted by: avbanig | November 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

...and not all draftees make the team! I think we need a good draft and responsible free agent pickups.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

1) OLB
2) 3-4 DE
3) WR
4) RB
5) CB
6) OT

Posted by: avbanig | November 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Depending on how things play out, Skins won't have all their picks this year because of the Mcnabb and Brown trades.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow, lots of hamsters up here this morning. HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

ga8085

Depending on how things play out, Skins won't have all their picks this year because of the Mcnabb and Brown trades.


True more or less.

That's why you have to hope for some cleva wheelin' and dealin'.

If you can trade away whatever pick we have in round 1 and take 'whateva' for #92, you might find yourself with 2-3 additional picks in the mid rounds.

This, to me, is a plan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, A Cowpukes win (yuck) today would be helpfull to our playoff hopes, considering that it would be easier to catch up to the Saints than the Falcons. Wanting them to win sort of ruins one of my Thanksgiving traditions, but if it helps us get into the playoffs I can live with it.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 25, 2010 8:32 AM


I'm with ya, Kaas. I figured this out a couple of days ago looking at the standings. It's kind of crazy how many wins are coming out of the NFC South this year. You've got the 8-2 Falcons in 1st, with the 7-3 Saints & 7-3 Bucs nipping at their heels.

Meanwhile, Seattle leads (LEADS!) the NFC West at a scorching 5-5. The NFL should introduce a new rule that if a division winner doesn't have a winning record, and there's another team in the conference that does but that loses out on one of the wild card spots, the division winner surrenders their playoff spot and it becomes a third wild card.


Teams we need to root for this week:

Dallas over New Orleans (gag)
Atlanta over Green Bay
Jacksonville over NYG
Chicago over Philthy
Baltimore over Tampa Bay (gag again)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

OK, I'll play:

SICWIDIT'S POLL O' THA' DAY!

Who is the most bitter ex-Redskin?
b) LaVar Arrington

Who's the greatest "Bullet" of all time?
a) Elvin "EEEEEE" Hayes

Who has been the best player acquisition of Allen/Shanahan era so far:
a) Trent "Silverback" Williams

My Sister-in-law makes the nastiest stuffing at Thanksgiving (Keeping it clean here...)

What's the drink of choice today?

YES!

If Jake Locker or Andrew Luck fell to the Skins in the 1st round, should we take them?
a) Yes, without hesitation.

If you could get a 2nd round pick for him, would you trade Laron Landry?
a) Hell No! Good players need to accumulate, not pass through.

Have at it RI!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2010 10:42 A

Posted by: edvar | November 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, A Cowpukes win (yuck) today would be helpfull to our playoff hopes, considering that it would be easier to catch up to the Saints than the Falcons. Wanting them to win sort of ruins one of my Thanksgiving traditions, but if it helps us get into the playoffs I can live with it.


Posted by: kaasmaster | November 25, 2010 8:32 AM

Not rooting for Dallas...just not gonna do it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 25, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL O' THA' DAY!

Who is the most bitter ex-Redskin?
b) LaVar Arrington

Who's the greatest "Bullet" of all time?
b) Wes Unseld


Who has been the best player acquisition of Allen/Shanahan era so far:
a) Trent "Silverback" Williams

My ____mother in law____________makes the nastiest______salmon_____ at Thanksgiving

What's the drink of choice today?
a) beer (lots)

If Jake Locker or Andrew Luck fell to the Skins in the 1st round, should we take them?
a) Yes- but they wont be on the board

If you could get a 2nd round pick for him, would you trade Laron Landry?
a) Hell No!

Happy Turkey Day Hamster Nation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 25, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Teams we need to root for this week:

Dallas over New Orleans (gag)
Atlanta over Green Bay
Jacksonville over NYG
Chicago over Philthy
Baltimore over Tampa Bay (gag again)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2010 11:19 AM


NEVER!

I don't care.

I will never root for Dallas.

Especially on a Day of Thanks.


Ever...

Posted by: edvar | November 25, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse


Atlanta over Green Bay
Jacksonville over NYG
Chicago over Philthy
Baltimore over Tampa Bay (gag again)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2010 11:19 AM

These I can help you with. Can't. Root. For. Dallas. Ever!

Be hard rooting for the Ravens, but will give it my all.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 25, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If Jake Locker or Andrew Luck fell to the Skins in the 1st round, should we take them?
a) Yes- but they won't be on the board

I'd say one of them might be.

The cards and Luck are more than a nice pair (pun intended).

But as for the usual we-need-to-draft-a-starter-suspects (san fran, bills, panthers, browns, lions), I'd say they have in-house choices already.

And, btw, guys like Mallett, Garcia, Ponder, Newton, Moore, and Stanzi are also attractive possibilities.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

1) OLB
2) 3-4 DE
3) WR
4) RB
5) CB
6) OT

Posted by: avbanig | November 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about this. Our most desperate need is O line, yet they don't represent until 6? Not only do we need starters, but we need better depth there as well. Also, right now, I don't think we have the 3 and 4 picks.

1) OLB/QB
2) C/G or or trade back, get more picks. (C/G and NT or RT)
5) FS
6) LB/RB/WR - who's there?

Posted by: edvar | November 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Gobble Gobble*


*turkey speak for beep beep

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Ain't rooting for dallas, just can't do it.

Posted by: wireman65 | November 25, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

There is one word to describe selecting a Center as your 1st round pick: Stupid.

Posted by: BT23 | November 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

draft needs
1. interior line
2. d line
3. free safety
WR is our biggest need but I think that for once FA may be the best option, assuming a good signing.
Seeing what keiland williams is doing makes me less worried about rb. not necessarily because he is our future rb, but because both history and present tell us that shanahan doesnt need adrian peterson in the backfield

Posted by: royhperkins | November 25, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

This team could really be dominant running the 4-3. Lining up next to AH, AC can get to the QB, its proven. Ah is still a force when allowed to play and with AH and the other guy we'd have two run stoppers and prssure guys in the middle. Orakpo and Alexander can give us versatility on the other side. Our LB core is solid. And if our corners can play to their potential, then we only need a FS. Just sayin', we can be great playing to our strengths. I mean why go get go get a Ferrari when your current Lamborghini is still capable of winning races for you?

Posted by: torch282 | November 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

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