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Posted at 6:05 AM ET, 12/29/2010

Roster analysis: Expiring Redskins contracts

By J.I. Halsell
J.I. Halsell

With the final week of the regular season upon us, front offices across the league are well into the process of evaluating their contract and roster situations for the coming -- yet uncertain -- 2011 season. The first crop of 2011 contract signings will begin next week, when clubs can sign practice-squad players and street free agents to "Reserve/Future" contracts.

With the 2011 league year not beginning until early March, the Reserve/Future contract allows clubs to sign practice squad and street free agents in January to contracts that will cover at least the 2011 season in duration. Look for current practice-squad players such as Selvish Capers and Shawnbrey McNeal to sign Reserve/Future contracts, although it is not a lock that they'll sign contracts with the Redskins, as they'll be free agents and have the opportunity to sign with any club they so choose.

On the current active roster, the Redskins have players with contracts set to expire, and the front office will need to make some decisions. The uncapped year of 2010 changed the eligibility for unrestricted free agency to a minimum of six accrued seasons. The following is a list of Redskins with expiring contracts and their respective accrued seasons going into the 2011 season:

CB:
Phillip Buchanon (9)
Carlos Rogers (6)
Byron Westbrook (2)

DL:
Kedric Golston (5)

LB:
H.B. Blades (4)
Rocky McIntosh (5)
Chris Wilson (4)

OL:
Jammal Brown (6)
Stephon Heyer (4)

QB:
Rex Grossman (8)

S:
Reed Doughty (5)

WR:
Mike Furrey (8)
Santana Moss (10)

The uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement puts the free agency status of several Redskins in question. If a new CBA returns the eligibility for free agency to the pre-2010 requirement of four accrued seasons, players such as Rocky McIntosh, Kedric Golston, Chris Wilson, and Reed Doughty will become unrestricted free agents. If the 2011 labor environment yields a continuation of the six accrued season requirement, then these same players will yet again be precluded from hitting free agency as a result of their restricted free agent status. If these players are deemed restricted free agents, then the Redskins can retain their rights via a one-year, restricted free agent contract.

Cornerback Byron Westbrook has two accrued seasons and will be an exclusive-rights free agent regardless of the free agency requirement, and will be precluded from becoming a free agent unless the Redskins opt to not offer him an exclusive-rights, one-year contract.

With Phillip Buchanon and Carlos Rogers set to become unrestricted free agents regardless of the free agency requirement, the Redskins currently only have DeAngelo Hall and Kevin Barnes under contract going into 2011. Without any cornerbacks currently on the practice squad, look for some new faces to be added to the roster at the position via Reserve/Future contracts in January and free agent contracts at the start of the league year.

With Jammal Brown set to become a free agent -- and the unlikelihood that the Redskins would franchise him -- the starting right tackle's improved health and play would seem to set him up to receive a decent pay day either in Washington or elsewhere. The Brown situation is further impacted by the impending free agency of reserve tackle Stephon Heyer.

At this point, it appears the Redskins are going to make a push to re-sign Rex Grossman to keep the seat warm for the heir-apparent or to backup the Redskins' quarterback of the future. In St. Louis, A.J. Feeley helped transition to the Sam Bradford era, and in Atlanta, Chris Redman helped transition to the Matt Ryan era. Using their contracts to gauge the "transition quarterback" market, look for Grossman to sign a two-year deal in the neighborhood $6 million in total value with $2.5 million of that guaranteed.


A native Washingtonian, J.I. Halsell spent two seasons as a salary cap analyst for the Washington Redskins. Prior to his tenure in Washington, he spent two years working in the NFL Management Council, and now pens a blog entitled "Under the Cap" for FootballOutsiders.com. Follow him on Twitter at @SalaryCap101.

By J.I. Halsell  | December 29, 2010; 6:05 AM ET
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Comments

Buchanon needs to be the FIRST one to go...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

The only guys on that list the Skins NEED to make a push to keep are Moss, Brown, Grossman (never thought I'd see the day I'd have him on this list), and maybe Doughty and McIntosh. The rest of those guys are marginal and easily replaceable players.

But then again, we said the same thing about Ryan Clark and Antonio Pierce once upon a time, so what do I know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

BW, I'm surprised you're not more of fan of Rogers' work. He gets a lot of grief on RI for his bad hands, but I like everything else about his game. He seems to have the respect of o-coordinators around the league too. He's got at least one more productive contract term in the chamber. I hope he's back at a price that works for both sides.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

They don't need push for Moss. He will be 32 next season and the skins are rebuilding.

Yes, he's currently their only legit receiver but if the team is trying to get younger and faster, paying Santana big bucks isn't the way to do it.

I hate to say it as he's one of my all time favorite Redskins, but if he gets a big offer elsewhere I'd let him go.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm not opposed to keeping Carlos at all but I'm not sure how much more my TV can stand having the remote thrown at it when he drops an easy interception.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

MC, Rogers is delusional when it comes to where he ranks among NFL corners, so I think he'll price himself right out of a job. While I agree that he's better than his INT totals would indicate, I think he's closer to being one of the problem players than solution players going forward.

O_e, rebuilding and re-signing a key player over 30 doesn't have to be an either/or proposition...you let Moss walk if you've got some young prospects that need to see the field. When you have a dearth of talent at that spot even WITH Moss, you keep him at all costs. The Bucs are rebuilding and they still depend on Ronde Barber. The Chiefs are rebuilding and they still depend on Brian Waters. The Falcons rebuilt on the fly and still traded for Tony Gonzalez. Moss may not be as good as those guys, but he's certainly as important to us as they are to those teams.

Sign Moss to a 3 year deal and hope he can play at a high level for at least one more. By that time, hopefully we'll have a younger option lined up to replace him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys, what about the thought of grabbing two o line man with our top 2 picks??

Just a reminder: we've dedicated a number of picks (J Brown, Erik Cook, T Williams, S Capers) to improving the offensive line.

Maybe a FA center and drafted guard is what's in order moving forward.

Beyond that, this is a defensive lineman, linebacker draft and we got needs there, too.

The 3-4 switch needs a draft of drafted college 3-4 depth guys and starters.

In terms of talent need, the defensive line is where the investment in picks should go if we decide to use two high picks for linemen.

Presently, only Kedric Golston is a drafted starting defensive lineman--and as you can read from up above, his contract is up.

We need a nose tackle/defensive tackle and defensive tackle who can play end.

A free safety is a priority, too.

And his durability notwithstanding, at some point, an inside linebacker to supplant London Fletcher should be acquired as well.

If RockyMac walks, that's another linebacker need we have t

RobJax and Chris Wilson and B Orakpo all seem like the same linebacker: we need someone who can cover AND blitz to play opposite them.

Yeah, we know the team needs improved offensive line play: work in that area has gone on all year.

But seeing how we can't stop anybody's offense, I'd say the defense needs to be prioritized this draft.

A 1st round and 2nd round selection of defenders won't hurt or be a cause of concern in these parts.

It'll be seen as a step in the right direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Webb looked good last night for the Vike's, and anyone saying Vick deserved MVP over Brady think again MVP's don't have games like that on National TV against a week team with there 3rd string QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Agree I think the first pick should be a NT or rush LB. It's to early to draft an interior Linemen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

Buchanon needs to be the FIRST one to go...

Amen.

Move Barnes to FS, re-sign CR22 (I know folks hate him, but I don't), and use FA/draft to acquire another corner.

And let Westbrook play more, too.

He can't be worse that P Buchanan.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Agree Flound...the only people pushing Vick for MVP were Eagles fans or black fans that were hot for #7 when he was in Atlanta and/or hate seeing Brady face. MVP is Brady...after last night, there's not even a close 2nd.

Moe, I thought Westbrook made some solid strides this year...played pretty damn well in Jacksonville on Sunday and might be a good young depth player going forward.

And for the record, I don't hate CR22...I just think he has a poor grasp on where he fits into the NFL lexicon...he's a solid starter at CB, not an upper echelon player. He's gonna want money like the latter, and he's completely oblivious to the fact that he's really the former.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21

It's to early to draft an interior Linemen.

Sure.

One thing about a draft where there's depth at a specific position (defensive lineman this time) is that even if the top guys are gone, solid players still can be found as they fall into other rounds.

And with a lot of mid round picks, that works to our advantage.

What I'd like to see us acquire is a 3rd rounder.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...the only people pushing Vick for MVP were Eagles fans or black fans that were hot for #7 when he was in Atlanta and/or hate seeing Brady face.

This is insane and racist.

What: you don't think the story of the Golden Boy white guy propels the folks who root for Tom Brady?

There's a longer and deeper history there than the myopic one you cite about Vick.

People who feel Vick should be the MVP (I don't)--despite last night (remember: Brady lost to the Browns)--are drawn by the his story of personal and professional redemption.

Regardless of race, anyone who knows Vick's story can fall victim to the dramatic idea of a guy losing his name, money, and rep, only to recover it because he's given a second chance.

It's a Hollywood narrative that resonants regardless of race.

Black and white, and brown sports fans all get the power in that.

Some Americans have forgiven a footballer who killed his dogs because the guy earned their respect through his on-field play--not his race.

Race dabblers have to respect his game if not him.

And culturally, forgiveness and redemption touches us all.

Vick's return to grace is a story they'll tell well into his eventual retirement.

Too see him get the chance to return to the top of his profession from disgrace isn't a racial matter--it's human one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Good point Moe...all I'm sayin' is that like it or not, Vick's supporters tend to fall along racial lines...just like Brett Favre's do. Whether that's coincidence or not is a worthy debate. But to deny it altogether is to bury your head in the sand.

Cue Red's angry take on the matter in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

btw: Tom Brady IS the MVP, hands down.

The game in Pittsburgh where the Pats beat the stillers silly sealed the deal for me.

There isn't a team in the league that can stop Tom Brady when he wants to win a game.

He is the only athlete in all sports right now who can will his team to victory.

He is the NFL's Michael Jordan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

White, black, green, red or what ever color you are Brady is the best player in the league this year hands down. He might be the best QB of all time if winning SB's is the measurment.

I don't like the dude but that does not change the facts, he is a great player.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

He is the NFL's Michael Jordan.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 8:16 AM

I wouldn't go that far, but I get your point.

Nobody's on top of their game like #12 right now. Considering he hasn't thrown a pick since midseason--and thrown for over 20 TDs during the same span--I think it's pretty safe to say he's in a zone we haven't seen a QB get into in a long time (if ever).

Brady is definitely special. I just hope we can find our own Brady in the very near future...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...the only people pushing Vick for MVP were Eagles fans or black fans that were hot for #7 when he was in Atlanta and/or hate seeing Brady face.

This is insane and racist.

What: you don't think the story of the Golden Boy white guy propels the folks who root for Tom Brady?

There's a longer and deeper history there than the myopic one you cite about Vick.


Moe,
In taking issue with BW26's point, you sort of validate what he is saying. There are people obsessed with race, both black and white, who let it cloud every opinion they have of everything. The question of who is the MVP of the league isn't about who really deserves it, but what opinion fits their racial template and resentments. I think most football fans/people are past this crap, but we all know they are out there because they get an undue amount of attention and the turmoil they cause stays 'front and center' of our society unnecessarily.

Your larger point about the redemption of the Vick story is completely true. Most were horrified by his crimes, think he paid a steep price, and are happy to see him redeemed and hoping for continued good things in his life.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I'm just now taking a look at the full Pro-Bowl rosters and this process is a sham and a joke.

How the hell is Logan Mankins a Pro-Bowler? Dude hasn't even played half the year, and he's the best guard in the AFC for 2010? Ed Reed is in when he missed the first 6 games of the year and disappeared in a couple others?

Not likely.

The NFC starters on the O-line are laughable, especially Jason Peters, who's been eaten alive most of the year. The amount of guys on the roster living off reputation (especially the Cowpies selected) is simply stunning...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"O_e, rebuilding and re-signing a key player over 30 doesn't have to be an either/or proposition...you let Moss walk if you've got some young prospects that need to see the field. When you have a dearth of talent at that spot even WITH Moss, you keep him at all costs. The Bucs are rebuilding and they still depend on Ronde Barber. The Chiefs are rebuilding and they still depend on Brian Waters. The Falcons rebuilt on the fly and still traded for Tony Gonzalez. Moss may not be as good as those guys, but he's certainly as important to us as they are to those teams. "


Atlanta traded for Gonzlez after they had already rebuilt and made the playoffs. Not sure if the other guys came up for free agency while their teams were rebuilding. If Moss was under contract I agree you keep him. If he is willing to sign a reasonable contract you keep. You don't keep an over 30 player at any cost. Receivers like Moss usually get one or two year affordable contracts. He should get a contract similar to what Derrick Mason got in Baltimore. That is about his equivalent.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 29, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

keep moss, rogers but at reasonable money...as well, bring back Reed, KGolston, JBrown, Grossman, and all 3 LB's....

brown, even MORE reason to go hard after Logan this offseason...cat can flat out ball..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM |

Thats the old excuse you could say the same thing about the Steelers back in the day or the 49'ers. Also Dallas when they had there great lines and had Aikman. Take that sh-t somewhere else Brady is a great player and would be on any team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Clearly the team will re-sign sexy Rexy but I couldn't care less about anyone on that list. I might have lobbied for Rocky to be signed but he's not a good 3-4 LB. He's a better fit for a 4-3 as an OLB but he's just too slow and under-sized to play at a high level in the current defensive scheme.

Out with the old....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Brady is definitely special. I just hope we can find our own Brady in the very near future...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse
We have several seventh round picks, so we should be able to use one of them on our own Brady.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 29, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM

Just a system qb, huh? Rex a pro bowler. Wow. I know when I watch Brady play, I see him make throws, every game, that Grossman simply can't make. He's a natural leader, with intense focus, makes good decisions quickly, and has near perfect mechanics. The system is good. He brings greatness to it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

You don't keep an over 30 player at any cost. Receivers like Moss usually get one or two year affordable contracts. He should get a contract similar to what Derrick Mason got in Baltimore. That is about his equivalent.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 29, 2010 8:33 AM


Nobody's saying give Moss 7 years, $100 million...you pay him what he's worth, you do so for 3 years, and hope you get your money's worth for at least the first couple years of the contract. To cut ties with THE ONLY starting caliber WR on your roster for no other reason than his birth certificate was printed before 1980 is idiotic. He's healthy, he's productive, and right now he's all you've got. Rebuilding doesn't mean purging yourself of EVERY player on the roster over 30...it means slowly and steadily infusing youth into your roster so it can grow together moving forward. Just because he doesn't fit into the long term plan doesn't mean he can't bridge the gap between now and the time we have young replacements ready to take the torch.

By your logic, the Colts should be ready to move on from Manning and draft his replacement this year and the Pats should get what they can get in a trade while Brady's hot. I mean, who wants to move forward with 30-something QBs?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who ever said that about Pierce had a screw loose.

I've got a better take on all this Vick bs.

He's a frekkin' Iggle. Let's bury his SJK. We did it in our first meeting. MinneHaHa remembered how to do it last nite.

It's amazing how quickly this league, even our own team, forgets how to work against a square peg.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse
================================
..............some good drugs eh?

Posted by: RealConservative | December 29, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM


LOL...easily the most idiotic statement in RI history. Rex Grossman is a system QB. Todd Collins is a system QB. Hell, you could make the case that Kurt Warner is a system QB. But the stuff Tom Brady is doing right now transcends system, and he's doing it with two rookie TEs, a diminuitive tweener, and a cast of C-level WRs. If you're not impressed with Brady, YOU'RE the one who's wrong, not #12.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


I don't have a witty comeback for that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins should go after Ron Artest and see what he's made of. Given the amount of basketball players (Tony Gonzales, Julius Peppers, Brad Johnson are all I can think of now) whose athleticism/footwork seems to translate more often than not into some level of success, color me intrigued.

Other NBA'ers I'd love to see in the NFL include Kobe (WR), Blake Griffin (TE), Earl Boykins (RB/RET) and only for purposes of special teams, specifically to block kicks, Shaq!

I left out LeBron because he falls down like he's been shot when someone looks at his elbow. Imagine what LL30 would do to his dive ass.

I know Iverson would have been the original Michael Vick but I guess when wondering about how athletes choose between the NFL and the NBA or even MLB for that matter, I look to the immortal words of Charles Barkley from "Up Close" about 15 years ago..."Guaranteed contracts man."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


I don't have a witty comeback for that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Lobbin' up soft ones, eh guys? [h2, etrod]

That Matt Cassell ain't too bad either.

Maybe that system works those guys up?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that we can dump Stephon Hyer??? Is is, hands down, the biggest waste of oxygen on this team. The dude is half the reason our QB's suck so bad. He is a mess. FIRE HIM!

Posted by: zap123 | December 29, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey P_F, why stop there? I mean, Cliff Lee can throw...I'm sure he'd be a stud QB.

The Wizards need some size...why not try out 6'10" Randy Johnson to play center?

Ovechkin could probably tote the rock and play RB. Whatcha think?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

NO ONE on this current Skins squad deserves top $$$. Players that want lottery money... trade their delusional asss.

Sick of watching mediocrity year after year.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 29, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess we will find out this Sunday how much of a system QB Rex Grossman is....after the game we could be saying he's a 3rd stringer at best.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | December 29, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey P_F, why stop there? I mean, Cliff Lee can throw...I'm sure he'd be a stud QB.

The Wizards need some size...why not try out 6'10" Randy Johnson to play center?

Ovechkin could probably tote the rock and play RB. Whatcha think?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 9:08 AM |

How about replacing you with an extra from a Mellwood commercial?

Talk about a boost of talent....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The Rub-It-in Weather Report

It's come to our attention that the Northeast is inudated in snow.

People in New York who crave small government complain the city government hasn't done enough to remove all that snow.

The homeless can be seen protesting about the city's poor response outside cardboard igloos.

Not too seem insensitive, President Obama's family has been seen on the sunny beaches in Hawaii in a ski mask, parka, and snow boots.

The West has been hit by so much rain that illegal immigrants are arriving as stowaways on Noah's Ark.

The South, too, is experiencing rain at levels that have kept many a meth lab from burning down.

The Pacific Northwest's caffine rush makes the inhabitants oblivious to any changes in the weather.

Seattle's best, in their opinion, is an umbrella stand near a Starbuck's and a job a Microsoft.

2010 ends with Mother Nature on a bloody rag.

We here in Palm Beach County, Fla, where's it's sunny and 68 degrees feel your pain.

I intent to walk barefoot into my backyard, (should I cut the grass today?), pick a tangelo off a tree, and eat it while wondering if my cargo shorts and t-shirt is enough to keep me warm given the weather.

I hope all is well where ever you are.

'Cuz here, the sun is shining.

And I feel fine.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

moe, I hope someone does an upper-decker in your bathroom....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2010 8:25 AM

Good post.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 29, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM

I think not.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Keep Brown, Heyer, and Grossman.

Dump everybody else. All of those other dudes are 100% replaceable. You never let decent linemen go and while Heyer is not a starter he does have game experience.

Everyone else on that list is average at best, and while Moss can be good when he plays he's rarely stayed healthy an entire season and as someone said above he's 32. Rocky is the guy the Giants love to run at and will do again this weekend because he can't tackle and you always see him bouncing off of somebody.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Reader51 Congrats you win the dumbest posting award this round. Since you are so privy to the redskins defensive back calls and know when hall was beat or making up for poor safety help we applaud your expertise. By the way why would you spend so much time researching info. just to bash D Hall? seems like you have more important thing to do you db guru you.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | December 29, 2010 5:18 AM
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Right.. And I am the only one on RI saying that DHall doesnt deserve to be in the Pro-Bowl. Actually its the general consensus on RI. His gambling and lack of tackling ability has lost more games than won.
Pro-Bowl voting is a joke.. DHall is in because of the Chicago game, period.

And regarding my research.. All I had to do was type in his name and "burned" or "owned" and I got these two gems..

An NFL Head Coach's opinion of him..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0


And another great DHall effort, to lose a game, while getting juked by one of the slowest QBs in the NFL..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Clearly the team will re-sign sexy Rexy but I couldn't care less about anyone on that list. I might have lobbied for Rocky to be signed but he's not a good 3-4 LB. He's a better fit for a 4-3 as an OLB but he's just too slow and under-sized to play at a high level in the current defensive scheme.

Out with the old....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I disagree, P_F. While I am expecting to upgrade entire defense, I think we need to resign a number of these players for depth.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 29, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rmcazz | December 29, 2010 9:39 AM


So dump your best WR and keep the worst O-lineman on the roster?

Do you WANT to keep losing?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I do not, do not understand the love affair with DeAngelo Hall. How many TDs has he allowed when trying to block tackle? How many TDs has he allowed when slipping down? How many TDs has he allowed when allowing a receiver to get behind him? How many TDs has he allowed when not wrapping up on a tackle attempt? Etc, etc. etc. And the same can be applied to how many first downs he has allowed.

I just don't get it with Hall.

Posted by: crimsonmac | December 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a system qb. Rex Grossman would be a pro bowler in that system with that line.

Posted by: stevenh2 | December 29, 2010 8:36 AM

I think not.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 29, 2010 9:37 AM
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would agree with stevenh2

A better Oline improved the much maligned JC (system notwithstanding).
With a better OLine (Texas), Kyle was once an up and coming OC genius.

If there is a summation of the greatest mistake by the Shannys... It would be underestimating how bad the Skins OLine was and overestimating how good McNabb would be without an Eagles quality-like OLine. This off-season should be a balls-out effort by the FO to vastly improve the Skins OLine....(for once).

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Clearly the team will re-sign sexy Rexy but I couldn't care less about anyone on that list. I might have lobbied for Rocky to be signed but he's not a good 3-4 LB. He's a better fit for a 4-3 as an OLB but he's just too slow and under-sized to play at a high level in the current defensive scheme.

Out with the old....

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I disagree, P_F. While I am expecting to upgrade entire defense, I think we need to resign a number of these players for depth.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 29, 2010 9:50 AM |

Depth? Absolutely. The problem is that players like Rocky Mac are going to want big paydays - especially after believing they should have gotten paid last year when settling for a 1 year tender.

Every single player on that list possesses backup talent at the very best. If they want starter or first round money, let 'em go. We can get that same depth at a similar talent level w/o breaking the bank.

PS - Speaking of the bank, PAY BANKS!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"So dump your best WR and keep the worst O-lineman on the roster?"

Yes.

Moss is always hurt, drops the ball constantly, and cries about losing. He's 32 and you're not going to give him a long term deal at this point in his career. You can replace him, he's not that young buck he was 5 years ago. I'd be very surprised if he's a Redskin after this season. To me personally, he's part of the problem not the solution. Unless SD "franchises" him, I fully expect V.Jackson to be a Redskin. Shanny wanted to draft him in Denver and after he came back he showed why he is one of the top WR's in the league. They aren't going to pay both of those guys top money.

So now if you dump Brown and Heyer both then you're screwed at OT. Heyer can play guard as well and he's going to be a back-up. OT's are a premium in the league, if you can't sign him for cheap then someone else is going to sign him for something. He's been in the system for bit now and again he's a back-up, not a starter. You can't let both Brown and Heyer go or else there will be a HUGE hole once again on the o-line.

Shanny knows this, I would be very surprised if he let's both of those guys go.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I might have lobbied for Rocky to be signed but he's not a good 3-4 LB.


I'd have to agree.

Our entire linebacker group needs some revamping for the 3-4 switch to improve.

When you watch other 3-4 teams, the inside 'backers are a little bigger and faster/athletic than our guys--Fletch/RockyMac.

I'm not advocating removing London Fletcher.

Eventually, though, London Fletcher's replacement will have to be considered.

A stout guy with speed playing next to him is a thing to consider now.

In-house guys like Henson or Riley should be given some spot duty as ILB this week as apart of that evaluation.

Blades is a special teamer/L Fletcher clone--or can he do more?

I'd let Rock walk and add a FA 'backer who can play inside/outside.

Andre Carter is a great guy who should become an ex-redskin, too.

Finally, figuring out what to do with RobJax and Chris Wilson and Lorenzo Alexander is another priority for Haslett: they all seem like the same kind of blindside edge rush 'backer without elite cover skills.

We need a guy opposite Orakpo who can play in space and defend the run: that guy is usually a second/third round pick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that we can dump Stephon Hyer??? Is is, hands down, the biggest waste of oxygen on this team. The dude is half the reason our QB's suck so bad. He is a mess. FIRE HIM!

Posted by: zap123 | December 29, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

We will get rid of Heyer when we have a replacement, not before.

Moe, loved your weather report. Great image of our pres on the beach with his parka on. LOL. Politicians!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 9:58 AM

There is a huge difference between saying Grossman would be better behind a better o-line like the one in New England (almost certainly true)...and Brady is a "system QB" implying anyone would have been as successful as he has been if they held the reigns to the Patriot offense. (Not true at all)

Brady brings greatness to a solid system staffed with good personnel. The results transcend what would be happening with most every other NFL QB in his place.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Buchanon needs to be the FIRST one to go...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse
________

Actually, I think Buchanon has done pretty well at what he was brought here to do, which is be a veteran nickel guy. Is he a high quality starting CB? No, but he wasn't expected to be. We could do alot worse than Buchanon as the 3rd corner and spot starter, I think. Much bigger needs than him, like D Line and OG, in my opinion. I'd keep him next year and focus on the other areas unless someone just falls in our lap, so to speak.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | December 29, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Moss is always hurt"

in 6 season's with the redskins has missed a total of 4 games...but don't let facts get in your way....

and then there's this:

"To me personally, he's part of the problem not the solution"

wow...just wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I do not, do not understand the love affair with DeAngelo Hall. How many TDs has he allowed when trying to block tackle? How many TDs has he allowed when slipping down? How many TDs has he allowed when allowing a receiver to get behind him? How many TDs has he allowed when not wrapping up on a tackle attempt? Etc, etc. etc. And the same can be applied to how many first downs he has allowed.

I just don't get it with Hall.

Posted by: crimsonmac | December 29, 2010 9:57 AM


UFB...you must also think Tom Brady sucks since he's thrown 162 incomplete passes and 4 picks this year...nevermind he's completed 66% of his passes and thrown 30 more TDs than picks.

I don't get why the Vikings kept AP after last year...I mean, sure he ran for over 1300 yards and 18 TDs, but who would keep a guy that fumbles 7 of his 314 carries?

There's no love affair with DHall...if anything, there's far more hate here than anything. Regardless of how you feel about the guy, he has 6 picks and 2 TDs. I'm still waiting for the part where that's a bad thing...

If you want perfect players, go play Madden on rookie.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Blades, Doughty and Furrey will be history...at least. Wouldn't be surprised to see Heyer, Westbrook, and McIntosh gone too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 29, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I hope someone does an upper-decker in your bathroom....


They'll build it after the Sawx beat the Phillies next October.

Or is it the other way around?

Given both team's rosters, they might as well cancel the baseball season, and go straight to the World Series.

Philly has the pitching and Boston has the hitting.

(I see the Yanks finishing 3rd/4th in the AL East as Baltimore/Tampa will both be just too strong in 2011.)

Should be fun to watch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Depth? Absolutely. The problem is that players like Rocky Mac are going to want big paydays - especially after believing they should have gotten paid last year when settling for a 1 year tender.

Every single player on that list possesses backup talent at the very best. If they want starter or first round money, let 'em go. We can get that same depth at a similar talent level w/o breaking the bank.

PS - Speaking of the bank, PAY BANKS!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you there. There's a new sheriff in town, and they are not over-paying anyone. I think it's one of the biggest improvements that happened last winter, and it should help us improve our roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 29, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Beleive it or not...with all the DRAMA, the Skins are in a pretty good rebuilding position.

- they have no one tied to any BIG contracts that isn't expendable

- they have money to spend

- they seem to be better evaluators of talent than the previous regime

- they've found some young pieces.

If we can end the McNabb drama, I think things will improve quickly!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

thanks for putting it in perspective, rick!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ Ray...I mean, really dude. Do you deal in reality? Moss is "part of the problem not the solution"? Are you f-ing kidding me with this? Moss is one of the few character guys left from the Gibbs 2.0 regime, and he's a problem? Because he's frustrated with losing? What, he should accept losing and just count his money? THAT'S the attitude you want? Simply stunning...

And as much as I'd like to see VJ in burgundy and gold, you're honestly gonna say he's "part of the solution" when he has yet to top 70 catches in a season? His BEST year doesn't touch Moss's 2010 season. And you're ready to run #89 outta town because he's 32? Thank the sweet baby Jesus you don't run the Redskins...real or otherwise...

I mean, think about what you're saying...we should have cut Darrell Green in the early 90s by your logic...UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of WR help, this might be a much cheaper option to VJ:

Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 29, 2010, 9:38 AM EST

The Cardinals may watch another one of their best young homegrown players walk away via free agency this offseason.

Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic passes along the surprising news that Arizona has shown “little interest” in re-signing receiver Steve Breaston to a new contract. The collective bargaining agreement doesn’t seem to be the issue here.

Somers says that the team either just doesn’t want to spend the money or has concerns about Breaston’s long term health. The fourth-year receiver tore his meniscus early in the season, and has played through pain much of the year. He saw his playing time limited against the Cowboys on Christmas.

Breaston put up over 1,700 yards combined between 2008-2009 as the team’s No. 3 receiver, and his 2010 production hasn’t fallen off much considering the team’s quarterback mess. He leads the team in yards-per-catch and has 692 yards. Somers believes letting Breaston walk could send a dangerous message to the rest of the team.

“No player worked harder to make himself relevant than did Breaston,” Somers wrote.
Breaston is going to get paid well whenever free agency starts. It’s looking more likely he won’t get paid by the Cardinals.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Good point Moe...all I'm sayin' is that like it or not, Vick's supporters tend to fall along racial lines...just like Brett Favre's do. Whether that's coincidence or not is a worthy debate. But to deny it altogether is to bury your head in the sand.

Cue Red's angry take on the matter in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 8:10 AM |

Hmmm, interesting. Here's a white guy perspective. I can't stand Favre and wish he would just go away. Although Tom Brady seems to be a nice guy and I'm a Michigan fan there's just something about him that screams smug and arrogant to me. I don't personally like Vick either because anyone that thinks torturing and killing animals has something fundamentally wrong between the ears. Having said that I am truly happy for a guy that has been given a chance at redemption and after a couple of initial very small hickups has made the most of his opportunity and uses his experiences to attempt to help and influence the younger generation. I just always wonder whether he is actually sorry for what he did (as I said I think a sadist is fundamentally flawed and I don't know if that can be fixed by prison and punishment as opposed to psychological means) or just sorry that he got caught and lost everything.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 29, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of how you feel about the guy, he has 6 picks and 2 TDs. I'm still waiting for the part where that's a bad thing...

If you want perfect players, go play Madden on rookie.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:12 AM
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DHall is considered THE weak link CB on the Skins by the opposing coaches... Its actually why his picks and tackles are so high. Because his selfishly gambles on getting INTs. Combine that with poor tackling skills..(see video examples below)...Consequently he is "game planned" by the OC for the big play.

A good example of this is how Darrell Green had such low INT totals every year. It was because he was AVOIDED. DG shut down his side of the field and the opposing OC's game plan was to keep the ball away from him.
Whereas DHall is a literal Target of Opportunity for opposing OC's. He will eventually be burned or miss a tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Went to my favorite "watering hole" last night to watch the game and got into some GREAT barroom arguments

The first was: Is Vick better than Randall Cunningham...I said no!

The second: Vick and the "race" issue. Not all black people care one way or the other what Michael Vick is doing, but many like him because of the idea of a "second chance" and "redemption". White, asian, arab people are attracted to this as well. He will always have haters of ALL races.

What some don't understand is that Vick is WINNING...if he were losing...he'd face more scrutiny. Where race comes in is that Brett Favre loses and still receives an incredible amount of benefit of the doubt...lesser white QB's (Grossman, etc.) are scrutinzed a lot as well, but there's something about Favre's image (southern, good ol' boy) that intrigues America.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The homeless can be seen protesting about the city's poor response outside cardboard igloos.


bum 1: Hey.

What does your sign say?

bum 2: Read it:

'Will Eat Yellow Snow For Food'

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

brown, interesting on breaston....I'm going on record saying that I'd love for the team to bring in VJ/Mankins, but adding breaston would be smart as well...figure VJ/Moss/AA/Breaston as your 4 wideouts, thats not shabby in the least....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Beleive it or not...with all the DRAMA, the Skins are in a pretty good rebuilding position.

- they have no one tied to any BIG contracts that isn't expendable

- they have money to spend

- they seem to be better evaluators of talent than the previous regime

- they've found some young pieces.

If we can end the McNabb drama, I think things will improve quickly!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:16 AM

-and by suspending Hayney and benching McNabb they have sent the message that you have to play well or you won't play. Also you have to be a team player or your gone.

-they also set a new precedent last offseason that we will NOT overbid for your free agent services anymore.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 29, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Think we should keep CR22, but in the end I am not sure he would even stay, feels slighted at this point, as well as Rocky Mac.

Heyer must go, think Doughty must go.

We need to bring back J. Brown, Moss - for same reason BW said, we cant build the entire unit overnight and he is a solid contributor, but next year I think we see him brining in more like 700 yards and probably Rex for obvious reasons.

If we dont resign Brown, then this FO is doomed, we gave up a lot and he is getting healthier - I would sit him on Sunday and start him on full rehab and conditioning immediately, then we should have our bookends for 4-5 years.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Went to my favorite "watering hole" last night to watch the game and got into some GREAT barroom arguments

The first was: Is Vick better than Randall Cunningham...I said no!

The second: Vick and the "race" issue. Not all black people care one way or the other what Michael Vick is doing, but many like him because of the idea of a "second chance" and "redemption". White, asian, arab people are attracted to this as well. He will always have haters of ALL races.

What some don't understand is that Vick is WINNING...if he were losing...he'd face more scrutiny. Where race comes in is that Brett Favre loses and still receives an incredible amount of benefit of the doubt...lesser white QB's (Grossman, etc.) are scrutinzed a lot as well, but there's something about Favre's image (southern, good ol' boy) that intrigues America.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

About Moss ----- yes he's getting up there in age, but he is just finishing his most productive season ,isn't he ? ... And he's probably got another couple of reasonably productive seasons in him, so unless 'Skins know they can do better why not keep him around a little longer? (as long as it can be done without an unreasonably large cap-killing contract) They've got enough holes that need filling NOW to deal with ---

Posted by: RoidRage | December 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

So scamp, basically you hate all the top-tier QBs in the NFL...haha

For real though...the key part of what I said was "TENDS to fall along racial lines", never said it was a universal thing. I'm black and I've never been a Vick fan, so I know it's not an exact science or anything. The Vick/Favre thing is just an observation on my part, nothing more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Dont have as much of an issue with P. Buchanan, as long as he is not starting, solid backup CB for nickel.

DL in the draft is pretty deep this year, so we should either be able to get a first round stud or solid players later in the rounds, LBs not as much.

Looking at the FA list, there are a lot of solid RB free agents coming out next year, might be able to save a draft pick by landing one of them...D. Williams Carolina, Ronnie Brown, etc.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

RI brethren...

What I could not understand is how anyone could defend Albert Haynesworth this season. McNabb has built some good will over the years, but I seem to remember a Haynesworth who took himself off the field every other play. He quit against the Eagles but yet, Shanahan mishandled him. Haynesworth can be dominant, but do you put him on the field despite his off the field conduct or his "sometimey" ways.

I likened the Hayensworth situation to Clinton Portis under Gibbs...Gibbs let Portis pretty much do what he wanted...Portis played hard on Sundays...everyone agrees with that, but his "preferential treatment" raised eyebrows in the locker room and there was some resentment among teammates.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

we have cap space, just not enough draft picks...there do seem to be some real solid players in the FA market, hopefully we can get 4 solid pickups and more for depth, then draft the rest. I am sure Shanny, esp Allen will show some restraint, unlike years in the past.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

hehe -

Who was calling to bench Stompy as a message during training camp?

Who supported the McNabb benching @ the Detritus game? [it was Detroit, right?]

Hopefully now the FO will listen intently to the program the Coarching staff puts forward.

Oh & props to Visanthe Shiancoe (sp?!1) - fellow Blazer! Go Blair!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

reader, by your logic, Champ Bailey sucks since he had a 10 INT season a couple years ago. Go sell your brand of crazy elsewhere...the shelves here are all stocked up...

Greg, I think VJ/Breaston is an either/or proposition...I doubt we shell out the kind of cash necessary to bring them both in. The only way I see us going that route is if we end up moving on from Moss.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I know we don't have a stockpile of pics. But is there a site somewhere that lists waht everyone has? Someone has to have that shti posted....

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

My Take on some current Redskins:


Jamal Brown- I think if he's 100% healthy, you go with him another full season. I think the fact that he's young and has a season in our system under his belt gives us some time to hae to address that position.

Stephon Heyer- Heyer has grown on me and is a classic depth guy. He's young and we've invested alot into him. He's a guy that can come in and give you a feww games at the LT and RT position...maybe even guard. I wouldn't overpay for him though.

Carlos Rogers- Tough call...he might get a payday somewhere and letting him go may be a mistake. QB's rarely throw at him and he's good in run support, but I don't think he's a championship caliber CB.

Rocky McIntosh, Andre Carter- replaceable; I think we may have something in Perry Riley and Rob Jackson.

Chris Wilson- I would NOT let him go; He's young, fast and physical.

Santana Moss- this is a tough one. His status depends on how aggresive the Redskins will be in FA/Draft with the Receiver position. He drops way too many balls which kills drives. I'm leaning more towards keeping him, but I'm not crying if they don't

Ryan Torrain- I LOVE this kid, but I don't think he's an every down back and he lacks that "take it to the house" speed. With a a true "speed" back (FA) we can solidify the backfield with Williams and Torrain.

Casey Rabach- I do not like him at Center anymore; We'd improve our line for years with Pouncey.

HAIL!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Shanny would consider bringing TO in here, not saying I want him, but I could see them wanting a guy for a year that produces and takes heat off of others...

FA WR
Wide Receivers:
Randy Moss – TEN
Vincent Jackson – SD
Terrell Owens – CIN
Braylon Edwards – NYJ
Brian Finneran – ATL
Mark Clayton – STL
Donte’ Stallworth – BAL
Dwayne Jarrett
Rashied Davis – CHI
Keenan Burton
Brandon Stokley
Dennis Northcut
Troy Williamson
Torry Holt
Derek Hagan
Santana Moss – WAS

Steve Breaston – ARI
Early Doucet – ARI
David Clowney – CAR
Demetrius Williams -CLE
Chansi Stuckey – CLE
Sam Hurd – DAL
James Jones – GB
Jacoby Jones – HOU
Mike Sims-Walker – JAC
Sidney Rice – MIN
Hank Baskett – MIN
Lance Moore – NO
Courtney Roby – NO
Domenik Hixon – NYG
Steve Smith – NYG
Santonio Holmes – NYJ
Brad Smith – NYJ
Johnnie Lee Higgins – OAK
Malcom Floyd – SD
Legedu Naanee – SD
Ben Obomanu – SEA
Ruvell Martin – SEA
Laurent Robinson – STL
Maurice Stoval – TB

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

WOuld love to get Franklin from SF, that would be a nice pick up for us, not sure they will let him go though.

LBs
Linebackers:
Shawne Merriman – BUF
Kirk Morrison – JAC
Mike Peterson – ATL
Thomas Davis – CAR
Pisa Tinoisamoa – CHI
Dhani Jones – CIN
Mike Vrabel – KC
Ben Leber – MIN
Takeo Spikes – SF
Stephen Cooper – SD
Kevin Burnett – SD
Scott Shanle – NO
Rashad Jeanty
Clint Ingram
Angelo Crowell

Stephen Nicholas – ATL
Tavares Gooden – BAL
Paul Posluszny – BUF
James Anderson – CAR
Abdul Hodge – CAR
Jamar Williams – CAR
Nick Roach – CHI
Brian Iwuh – CHI
Brandon Johnson – CIN
Keith Ellison – BUF
Chris Gocong – CLE
D’Qwell Jackson – CLE
Jason Hunter – DEN
Bobby Carpenter – DET
Desmond Bishop – GB
Zach Diles – HOU
Tyjuan Hagler – IND
Clint Session – IND
Justin Durant – JAC
Freddie Keiaho – JAC
Corey Mays – KC
Chad Greenway – MIN
Erin Henderson – MIN
Gerris Wilkinson – NYG
David Harris – NYJ
Kamerion Wimbley – OAK
Thomas Howard – OAK
Ricky Brown – OAK
Ricky Brown – OAK
Ernie Sims – PHI
Omar Gaither – PHI
Akeem Jordan – PHI
Stewart Bradley – PHI
Lamarr Woodley – PIT
Antwan Barnes – SD
Brandon Siler – SD
Manny Lawson – SF
David Vobora – STL
Jon Alston – TB
Quincy Black – TB
Barrett Ruud – TB
David Thornton – TEN
Stephen Tulloch – TEN
Rocky McIntosh – WAS

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins are to stay the course for a 3-4 defense, they need to focus there. LB's are needed that can play the 3-4. Free Agency will probably be used quite a bit for linemen, corners, etc. The draft is going to have to come up with our QB of the not too distant future. I think the O-line actually showed a great deal of improvement this year, and holding onto Jammal Brown is a priority. Grossman obviously needs to stick around, and Carlos Rogers. He is a pretty good corner. If he could catch he would be elite, but at least he is in position and defends well. Doughty is a Redskin. One of those guys who just plays football and can tackle. Wish he could move up to Linebacker, he has that kind of feel on the field.

Posted by: skins50 | December 29, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

reader, by your logic, Champ Bailey sucks since he had a 10 INT season a couple years ago. Go sell your brand of crazy elsewhere...the shelves here are all stocked up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 10:45 AM
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you're in the minority on this with your DHall man-crush.
DHall is in the Probowl because of one game, Chicago. Otherwise he is a liability in the secondary and lost more games than won for the Skins.

http://www.slanchreport.com/2010-articles/september/deangelo-halls-mouth-is-writing-checks-he-cant-cash.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge @ December 29, 2010 10:36 AM

Re: Haynesworth. I can't speak for anyone who defended Haynesworth as a person, but Haynesworth the player should have been on the field. We did keep Joey Galloway on the field most of the season, after all. Haynesworth has the potential to be dominant, and the reaction of opposing teams to his suspension makes that clear.

Yes, he takes plays off. Yes, he looked bad on that play in Philly. Do you pull Cooley and Moss because they dropped passes and looked bad at times, or do you leave your best players on the field?

Nobody likes to be publicly humilliated, and anyone can see Haynesworth reacted poorly to that approach. But even the "classy" McNabb's reaction to what he perceives as public embarrassment makes him look like a spoiled diva.

How many of these elite athletes AREN'T divas?

Haynesworth should have played until he got hurt or traded, warts and all.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 29, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I like Heyer as a Tackle! I understand why we have him @ guard, but that's not where his skill set works.

It's neat 'cause DTs & DEs don't know how to work against him.

This only truly applies comin' off the bench.. so maybe that's where he stays.

I'm fine w/ a utility man like that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

here you go DS

Team Number
of Picks Picks (Round.Pick)
ARI 6 1.6, 2.7, 3.6, 4.7, 5.6, 6.7
ATL 8 1.31, 2.31, 3.31, 4.31, 5.31, 6.31, 7.29, 7.30 (from NE)
BAL 7 1.27, 2.26, 3.25, 4.27, 5.26, 6.25, 7.25
BUF 8 1.5, 2.4, 3.3, 4.5, 4.14 (from SEA), 5.4, 6.3, 7.5
CAR 6 1.1, 3.1, 4.1, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1
CHI 6 1.24, 2.24, 3.24, 4.24, 5.24, 6.24
CIN 7 1.2, 2.2, 3.2, 4.2, 5.2, 6.2, 7.2
CLE 8 1.13, 2.12, 3.11, 4.10, 5.9, 6.4 (from DEN), 6.8, 7.12
DAL 7 1.7, 2.6, 3.7, 4.6, 5.7, 6.6, 7.15 (from SD)
DEN 6 1.3, 2.5, 2.17 (from MIA), 3.4, 6.32 (from NE), 7.3
DET 7 1.4, 2.3, 3.5, 4.4, 5.3, 6.20 (from PHI via TB), 7.24 (from NYJ)
GB 7 1.20, 2.19, 3.20, 4.19, 5.20, 6.19, 7.19
HOU 7 1.11, 2.10, 3.9, 4.8, 5.13, 6.12, 7.10
IND 7 1.17, 2.16, 3.18, 4.17, 5.16, 6.18, 7.16
JAX 7 1.22, 2.23, 3.22, 4.23, 4.28 (from NO), 5.22, 6.23
KC 7 1.23, 2.22, 3.23, 4.22, 5.23, 6.22, 7.22
MIA 7 1.18, 3.16, 4.18, 5.17, 6.16, 7.17, 7.21 (from JAX)
MIN 7 1.12, 2.11, 4.9, 5.8, 5.27 (from NYG), 6.13, 7.11
NE 9 1.14 (from OAK), 1.32, 2.1 (from CAR), 2.32, 3.10 (from MIN), 3.32, 4.32, 5.32, 6.28 (from NO)
NO 5 1.28, 2.28, 3.8 (from WAS), 3.28, 7.26
NYG 6 1.25, 2.27, 3.26, 4.25, 6.26, 7.23
NYJ 6 1.26, 2.25, 4.26, 5.25, 6.27, 7.6 (from ARI)
OAK 6 2.15, 3.14, 4.15, 5.14, 6.15, 7.13
PHI 9 1.29, 2.29, 3.29, 4.13 (from WAS), 4.29, 5.18 (from SD), 5.29, 6.29, 7.27
PIT 7 1.30, 2.30, 3.30, 4.30, 5.30, 6.30, 7.28
SD 6 1.16, 2.18, 3.15 (from SEA), 3.17, 3.27 (from NYJ), 6.17
SEA 6 1.15, 2.14, 4.3 (from NE via DEN), 5.15, 6.5 (from DET), 7.14
SF 10 1.8, 2.13, 3.12, 4.11, 4.16 (from SD), 5.10, 6.9, 6.14 (from SEA), 7.4 (from DET), 7.7
STL 7 1.21, 2.21, 3.21, 4.21, 5.21, 6.21, 7.20
TB 7 1.19, 2.20, 3.19, 4.20, 5.5 (from DEN), 5.19, 7.18
TEN 7 1.9, 2.8, 3.13, 4.12, 5.11, 6.10, 7.8
WAS 6 1.10, 2.9, 5.12, 5.28 (from NO), 6.11, 7.9

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

DHall is considered THE weak link CB on the Skins by the opposing coaches... Its actually why his picks and tackles are so high. Because his selfishly gambles on getting INTs. Combine that with poor tackling skills..(see video examples below)...Consequently he is "game planned" by the OC for the big play.

A good example of this is how Darrell Green had such low INT totals every year. It was because he was AVOIDED. DG shut down his side of the field and the opposing OC's game plan was to keep the ball away from him.
Whereas DHall is a literal Target of Opportunity for opposing OC's. He will eventually be burned or miss a tackle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


Are you still smoking your DHall-hate crack rock this morning??

Lay off the pipe, dude.

And how many opposing coaches and OCs do you huddle with on a weekly basis, eh? How many game-planning sessions have you sat in on? I'm guessing none.

Every CB will eventually get burned or miss a tackle, moron. All of them. D.Green is a living legend, unfortunately it pained me to see him get owned by the likes of Aikman and Irvin who routinely picked on him b/c he was too small to deal with Irvin's physical game.

This whole idea that a high tackle count and high INT rate is evidence of a bad CB that QBs "pick on" is ludicrous.

CHarles Woodson has 86 tackles this season - 3 fewer than DHall. By your reckoning, I guess he's a no-account loser who can't cover and OCs gameplan to target him, eh?

When Woodson won the NFL Defensive MVP last season he had 74 tackles, 18 PDs and 9 picks. Wow. What a loser. I guess teams picked on him b/c they all know what schmu%k fraud he is as a CB.

In your universe, the DBs who have the most tackles and make the most plays in the secondary should get cut by teams b/c it's clear that they are a liability. Nice team-building philosophy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 29, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I do not, do not understand the love affair with DeAngelo Hall. How many TDs has he allowed when trying to block tackle? How many TDs has he allowed when slipping down? How many TDs has he allowed when allowing a receiver to get behind him? How many TDs has he allowed when not wrapping up on a tackle attempt? Etc, etc. etc. And the same can be applied to how many first downs he has allowed.

I just don't get it with Hall.

Posted by: crimsonmac | December 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


How many? Hmm? Why don't you tell us?

Tell us how many TDs he's allowed.

Tell us how many times he's slipped down.

Tell us how many first downs he's allowed.

Show us the stat, the metric, the evidence.

Please...I'm waiting...

Posted by: p1funk | December 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Right reader...DHall has LOST us games. No chance the fact we have nothing up front and only two quality starting LBs have anything to do with the defensive failures of this year. That's ALL on 23 gambling to make picks.

Again...I'm not even a big DHall fan, but I'm being made to look like one because I see it as galactically stupid to say that a guy who makes 6 picks (regardless of when they're made) and scores 2 TDs shouldn't be in the Pro-Bowl. If you try to name me 3 CBs with better numbers than DHall this year, either you're being insanely biased or putting guys ahead of him based on reputation. DHall deserves a Pro-Bowl nod in 2010...no matter how many youtube clips you post.

I mean, really...next you're gonna tell me Doug Williams shouldn't have had Super Bowl MVP in '88 because he had all his TDs in one quarter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

you're in the minority on this with your DHall man-crush.
DHall is in the Probowl because of one game, Chicago. Otherwise he is a liability in the secondary and lost more games than won for the Skins.


Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse


Actually you are in the minority.

You keep cutting and pasting one article from the Houston Chronicle as some kind of evidence that no one thinks Hall should be in the Pro Bowl.

Guess what fans, players and coaches put him there this year.

So tell me agian, who is in the minority here?

Posted by: p1funk | December 29, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Despite what one may think of DHall's tacticts, he's a Redskin!

I mean he's an actual fan. He grew up around here. And in a game that gets treated so often as a business, it takes allegiance to foster motivation.

There are different ways of developing that, but brand afilliation is a great start.

I think you'll see great use of his skillset in the 3-4. See? He already taught 22 to catch one...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, this idiot was up here last night pushing the same nonsense.

The evidence that DHall is a liability is b/c he has a ton of tackles and makes alot of plays. Huh???

Even though DHall was voted to the ProBowl by fans, coaches and players; it is actually a small minority of people who think he's Pro Bowl-worthy. Eh???

Dude should just get the pabrian treatment at his point.

Posted by: p1funk | December 29, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I mean, really...next you're gonna tell me Doug Williams shouldn't have had Super Bowl MVP in '88 because he had all his TDs in one quarter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2010 11:09 AM
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Doug's MVP was for one game.
So, a Pro-Bowl selection for one game (Chicago) is appropriate?
Its just a testament to how bad the Skins personnel is this year.

Posted by: reader51 | December 29, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

A lot of mock's have us taking a big receiver with the first pick not sure how I feel about that. We do need a big threat WR's but to do that we will have to fix the proper holes through FA's.

I would never not pick a position because they haven't worked out in the past, you have to consider the person that was picking.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Yes, he takes plays off. Yes, he looked bad on that play in Philly. Do you pull Cooley and Moss because they dropped passes and looked bad at times, or do you leave your best players on the field?


Alan, not to cherry pick your comments but Cooley and Moss can be counted on to put forth their best effort even when they're having a bad day. You can't say the same about AH. He's a great talent but we're a better team without him. A great player who won't put forth max effort belongs on the bench or bus out of town. Hope we can get a 4th or 5th for him.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Beeps peeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 29, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

We get a player named to the pro bowl. DHall, and I see all these posts criticizing and mocking him, what kind of Redskin fan does that? Rex Ryan is a bully and buffoon.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The West has been hit by so much rain that illegal immigrants are arriving as stowaways on Noah's Ark.
Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2010 9:31 AM

Like a pot calling the kettle black; if you are not native Indian, you are also illegal.

Posted by: abxinc | December 29, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Id like to explain to everyone now why the Redskins suck every year. #1 We waste draft picks, McNabb is now nothing to us and we used a 2nd rd pick and 3rd or 4th this yr to get him. The same has been done w jason taylor etc. in the past. GOOD teams build through the draft we dont. #2 Jammal Brown has gotten better as the year went on of course you keep him because you wasted another pick on him (This provides us with book end tackles for at least a few years. #3 Steph Heyer must also be re-signed because you need a solid back up that can play both left and right tackle and he has proven that much. #4 You do everything you can to keep Carlos Rodgers, he isnt a shut down corner and may not catch well but notice how qb's rarely throw his way, its because he's damn good. He and Deangelo are a solid tandem that shouldnt be torn apart. #5 You dont pick a DL with your first rd pick we need a franchise QB to develop (ala Jake Locker) #6 you dont release McNabb you get back what you gave away for him maybe a rd lower at least a 3rd rd pick since he isnt part of our future. #7 You do the same thing with Haynesworthless, you get at least a 3rd rd pick for him as well. #8 You do not under any circumstances let santanna moss go he is our only good wr and has been for the past 5 years and will be for 3 more. #9 you re-sign Rocky Mcintosh because he has done well this year inside w fletcher. #10 you re-sign HB Blades bc he has studied under London Fletcher for four yrs now and should have learned some things from him. #11 How dare anyone suggest we get rid of Cooley, he is one of the games top TE's and yes we have a good back up with Fred Davis but that will only make us more dangerous. #12 We Desperately need a Free Safety, isnt Tanard Jackson a free agent? The Tragedy with Sean set us back a long way and its truly sad im still grieving. #13 we have 3 starters on our OL right now, Williams at LT, Brown at RT, and Litchensteger at LG, draft a RG and a center let them compete with free agents. #14 Portis has a ton of miles but is still only 29, dont cut him release him or count him out yet, he and Torain could be a great 1-2 punch. #15 Draft a WR in 2nd rd Julio Jones maybe? (first we have to get a second rder but we could trade a 3 and 5 for a 2. #16 Keep Macho Harris as a back up safety ST player as well as Doughty. #17 Re-sign Kedric Golston. @18 Get rid of Furrey. #19. Dangle Andre Carter to a team in need of a DE and see if we can get another pick for it. (even though coaches should never make players adapt to their scheme but adapt their scheme to the players they have, we should still be a 4-3 team but oh well).#20 keep Chris Wilson and Byron Westbrook and Kevin Barnes develop them as other teams do. #21 Get some FA to help us temporarily but teams are built through the draft and football is a young man's game how many times do we need to make the same mistakes to prove ,my theory right. God I wish I was the GM of the Redskins I'd turn it all around!

Posted by: tmatt2313 | December 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tmatt2313 | December 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abus

No one is going to read that mess. Try using line breaks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So we traded a pretty high pick for Jammal Brown when he only had one year left on his contract? That just makes the trade that much worse.

Posted by: jj250 | December 29, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Brown, Moss, Doughty Rogers and Grossman yes
Heyer - on the fence

All others adios

Posted by: ElYeah | January 2, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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