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Posted at 1:31 PM ET, 01/ 6/2011

Roster analysis: The cornerback market

By J.I. Halsell
J.I. Halsell

With only two cornerbacks -- DeAngelo Hall and Kevin Barnes -- under contract for 2011, look for the Redskins to address the position either in the draft or via free agency. Below are some notable veteran cornerbacks who could or will be on the market this offseason:

Asomugha is the most intriguing name on the list and will command the most money of any player listed above. Asomugha, whose blockbuster contract with the Raiders averaged $15.2 million per year at signing, will become a free agent this offseason by virtue of a voidable clause in his contract, according to league sources. While Asomugha's Oakland contract was considered an anomaly in the elite cornerback market, these elite deals are now in excess of $10 million per year, which could very well be too steep a price for the Redskins.

A more likely scenario is the Redskins possibly signing a second-tier free agent cornerback such as the 25-year-old Wright or 27-year-old Routt. This approach could also lead to the re-signing of Carlos Rogers in lieu of bringing in a new cornerback.

The Foxworth deal signed with Baltimore prior to the 2009 season averaged $6.8 million per year and could be used as one benchmark for the second-tier cornerback market.

Rogers' inability to finish plays on the ball ultimately costs him in his market value and possibly prevents him from making elite-cornerback money. However, since 2006, Rogers ranks sixth in the NFL in passes defensed with 72 over that span. Foxworth's stats prior to signing with the Ravens do not measure with those of Rogers. Thus, given the Foxworth deal and Rogers's productivity, it would be reasonable for Rogers to expect a deal in the neighborhood of $7 million to $8 million per year.


J.I. Halsell spent two seasons as a salary cap analyst for the Washington Redskins and now pens a blog entitled "Under the Cap" for FootballOutsiders.com. Follow him on Twitter at @SalaryCap101.

By J.I. Halsell  | January 6, 2011; 1:31 PM ET
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Comments

According to Tim Ryan, all these guys are equal without a pass rush.

So let's bring back Fred Smoot on the cheap.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That sounds about right for Rogers. If Routt is the corner I'm thinking about, every time I watch a Raiders game, Routt is getting toasted.

As far as Tryon goes, his point of reference was the Zorn administration. It's not surprising to read his comments.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS PROPOSE CHANGES TO COLLEGE DRAFT AND PRO BOWL SELECTION PROCESSES

ASHBURN, VA -- Word from Redskins Park early this afternoon is that the team is petitioning the NFL league front office to move up the annual college draft selection days to the week between the Pro Bowl and Superbowl.

According to our sources, Redskins GM Bruce Allen says implementation of the idea would help advance the team's interest in maintaining itself as the "league parody" of a football franchise by allowing the Redskins to steal a few more off-season headlines at a time when everyone’s attention is otherwise focused on those teams that are actually competing for post-season honors and championships.

Especially since the Redskins pundits have been evaluating current players and prospective draft picks since their season was officially over in mid-November or earlier, the team also figures it might have an edge in evaluating the players expected to enter this year’s college draft and free agent markets.

According to the Redskin proposal, the league would organize a college player scouting combine to be held in Hawaii during the week leading up to the Pro Bowl -- and instead of pitting the AFC vs. the NFC in yet another “yawner game” of Pro Bowl play, the game would evolve into more of Pros and Joes competition -- pitting a team of all stars from the next college draft class against a team of league's declared free-agents.

Following the game, each franchise would be allowed to pick among the college players in the same order that they currently do -- from worst to first -- and then the teams playing in the Superbowl would flip a coin to see whether they get the 31st or 32nd selection of the round.

The added attraction of pitting college all stars against free agents is that it give team scouts a better opportunity to evaluate prospective players and prospects straight up and head-to-head -- to include strength and conditioning tests, physical exams, intelligence tests, and individual interviews.

Finally, on the Saturday before Superbowl Sunday –- the league would declare White Elephant Day –- and allow teams to trade freely among themselves for aging “superstars,” overpriced and underperforming marquee players, players facing various civil law proceedings and criminal charges, and other misfits and malcontents -- without regard to salary caps, NFL Players Association rules, or the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

League officials in New York are said to be giving serious consideration to the proposals -- and expect to render a decision within the next few weeks.

According to one Redskins Insider, “Listen, we’ve been looking forward to the off-season, all season –- to the point where it is all that we have playing for and thinking about lately. And frankly, it just doesn’t make much sense to delay it any longer.”

Posted by: Vic1 | January 6, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

pick'em

Eric Wright, Browns--sure

Champ Bailey, Broncos--nope (I ain't sentimental as he wanted to leave)

Antonio Cromartie, Jets--definately (one of the best)

Stanford Routt, Raiders--definately he's notch top!)

Ike Taylor, Steelers--heck yeah

Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders--sign and pay him now!

Domonique Foxworth, Ravens--no

Nate Clements, 49er--maybe

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see Nnamdi here. If we are going to emulate GB's 3-4 transition, a big reason that worked was because they have an elite CB in Woodson.

Nnamdi was hurt for a few games -- missed a couple and was below par for a couple more. But when healthy, no one threw at him. Nothing.

The obvious comparison is Darrell Green. Its a pretty good comparison, though there are some key differences. The biggest one is that Nnamdi stays on one side of the field, DG28 tracked a guy all game, wherever he went.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

That sounds about right for Rogers. If Routt is the corner I'm thinking about, every time I watch a Raiders game, Routt is getting toasted.

Posted by: TWISI

Yup. Of course, they never throw at Nnamdi ... so really, Routt gets all the action. But yeah, stay away.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

That 2nd round quarterback you wanted might be this guy:

Pat Devlin Gets a Second Chance at Delaware

Delaware quarterback Pat Devlin aims to follow another Blue Hens passer, Joe Flacco, the Baltimore Ravens starter, to the N.F.L.


More reading here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/sports/ncaafootball/07delaware.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Champ! Shanahan certainly liked him. Plus, I could bring back my Champ jersey and give the old #47 a breather (starting to look its age).

Posted by: Section104 | January 6, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Since they are interconnected, it is worth noting the team that had the best sack rate in the NFL ... the Oakland Raiders. One out of every 11 pass plays resulted in a QB sack. 470 pass attempts, 47 sacks.

The Steeler defense, #1 in total sacks, had 48 sacks and faced 593 pass attempts

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Pat Devlin, the quarterback at the University of Delaware, drives a big silver pickup truck, listens to country music and likes to spend as much time outdoors as possible, whether he is fly-fishing, hunting wild turkeys"

he's good in my book moe...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Routt and Rogers are basically the same guy.

But CR22 wants Revis cash.

Taylor is 30, but is a solid player.

Foxworth doesn't impress.

Eric Wright is 25--younger--as is Cromartie.

Pairing Cromartie or Wright with Hall would really improve coverage out on the edges and put guys who get INTs in the secondary.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This is great information. Can you do this for other positions too?

Posted by: wwc4g | January 6, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

bean

he's good in my book moe...

I hope he's at the Senior Bowl.

The NFL Network broadcasts the practices, so you can get a look at him.

I've never seen the kid play.

But a guy I've seen play a lot is starting to rise in my mind, someone who might be their at the end of the second or in the 4th round: Terrelle Pryor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Of the problems on defense, cornerback ranks behind: personnel to run scheme, defensive line, and linebacker, with the latter two tying into the first one.

Not really stuttin' cornerback at this point.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Some more on Devlin, the dude set the high school record for passing yards in PA. He went to PSU and only got beat out by Darryl Clark because Clark had more experience. Devlin played very well when he was in the game including the go ahead TD against Ohio State in 2008

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Of the problems on defense, cornerback ranks behind: personnel to run scheme, defensive line, and linebacker, with the latter two tying into the first one.

Not really stuttin' cornerback at this point.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:07 PM

Co-sign. A luxury we can't afford. It's the equivalent of adding a spoiler to a rusted out car on blocks.

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV

Not really stuttin' cornerback at this point.

Think of it this way:

--do you pay CR22? (he's 30: do you over pay or go younger?)

--if CR22 walks, how do you acquire another starting corner (draft/FA)?

--if Kevin Barnes moves to FS (he has), who's the 4th corner?

--is P Buchanan the best you can do as a 3rd corner (is there a cheap upgrade)?

--is Westbrook ready to play as a 4th corner?

--we might need 2 corners: where will they caome from?


If your desire is to make the 3-4 work, solid corner play is a priority.

And worth paying attention to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Pryor.

Pryor is less talented than Vince Young was in college and about just as weak mentally as Young.


Pass on Pryor AND Young. Neither are worth the trouble and potential let down.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"However, since 2006, Rogers ranks sixth in the NFL in passes defensed with 72 over that span."

you'd think he was the worst CB in the league based on this blog's comments.

Haters!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 6, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Resign Rogers or bring in asomugha if possible at a reasonable price. Sign a second tier guy to replace buchanon. Add depth with late round picks. Focus the FA attention at all other positions on defense. CB should be the least of our defensive worries if Rogers stays on board.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

But can they tackle?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

mack1

A luxury we can't afford (a corner).


In a 3-4 front, a great corner controls half the field, and frees the strong safety up to play run support.

A weakness at corner means playaction passing teams will exploit the SS and the weaker corner.

Charles Woodson, Darrelle Revis types are as important to a 3-4 defense as an elite NT.

And right now, we must acquire 1 and hope to find the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Moe, it's simple: you improve the seven guys upfront and it makes the secondary look like world-beaters.

* QB is pressured into making mistakes
* Routes can't develop due to pass rush - no chance of a broken play gaining yards, less chance at getting beat by double moves. [Carlos Rogers says hell yeah, sh*t yeah!!!!]
* Force a team to become one-dimensional taking a ton of pressure off your secondary.


Having all-pro and pro bowl CBs are a luxary, not a necessity.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

How do you know los wants revis $?

You're just guessing, he's not going to get anything close to that. I hope we bring him back as long as the $ makes sense.

If we can afford nnamdi go for it, him and hall with Barnes in the slot would be a top notch trio.

If Champ wants to convert to fs aka rod woodson he would be a welcome addition.

It's going to be a crazy off-season yet again

Posted by: DMoney28 | January 6, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

RED bring up a good point.

I am now thinking of how Lester Hayes and Mike Haynes owned Art Monk and Downtown Charlie Brown in Super Bowl XVIII. That was sort of a one-game clinic on how elite corner play can shutdown even the most dominant offenses. (Granted, Riggo and the Hogs were chewed up in that game as well. But, the point still holds)

Sorry for bringing up bad memories, but I could not help but think it.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | January 6, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

all-pro/pro-bowl DEs/LBs >>>>>>>>>>>>> all-pro/pro-bowl CBs

All day, every day.


Show me a secondary whose success wasn't a byproduct of a good to great front seven.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Stanford announces Luck will stay in school...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

redDMV

Pryor is less talented than Vince Young was in college and about just as weak mentally as Young.

I beg to differ.

Pryor has solid mechanics, Young did not in college.

He is no more a head case than any other 21 year old: I'm raising one now.

Pryor can move his feet, reset, and throw to a spot accurately--he did this several times Monday nite in impressive fashion.

Young was essentially a running quarterback at UT whereas Pryor has increasingly shown the ability to set his feet, read the field, and make touch throws.

I watched Pryor play Iowa, Arkansas, Penn State, Miami and will say he really evolved as the season progressed.

The announcers the other night pointed out that Pryor was a passing quarterback who could run and not the other way arouhd: and that's what Young was.

Increasingly, the NFL quarterback who can avoid pressure, reset, and read the field is preferable to the straight drop back passer or option-style scramble runner.

This change in performance is why Mike Vick is now really dangerous: he can pass AND run effectively.

2 years on an NFL roster would do wonders for Pryor as it already has for Tim Tebow--another guy who folks said last year couldn't play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

My hope is that we are able to sign a few young, top tier talents at CB, FS, OLB, ILB, NT, and DE without trading picks or resorting to using high choices in the draft to obtain them. That's all we need to right the ship on defense.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Stanford announces Luck will stay in school...

Somewhere Cam Newton's father and agent (same guy?) is shouting: Cha-Ching!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Luck staying in??!! No way he stays healthy all the way through next season. Murphy's got him by the 'nads.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Moe, do the Steelers have great CBs?

They run a 3-4, and maybe I'm wrong but they have very average corners. TP43 is the only dude that is a perennial pro bowler in their secondary.


If the Redskins fancy their 3-4 of that of the Steelers, then they're better off improving that front-7 ASAP. The Steelers have shown that you can get it done with an average to decent secondary and a bomb ass front seven.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Oline vs any other position rnd 1....

Offense needs 4 lineman, D needs DE, OLB, NT(depending on ABryant)

My dream scenario, which clearly means it won't happen

Cbs- champ bailey, d hall, buchanon, (rogers will want too much cash that he's not worth, he walks and we get a compensatory pic)

Safties- Barnes n Landry

Lbs- FA or Rookie, Riley, Fletch, Orakpo

Dline- Carriker, Bryant, FA pickup

Oline- TW, Pouncey (Got him as our top pick) Kalil ( I doubt we can get
him away from his current team but Pouncey could be there at C) RG is Wisenewski the 2nd rnd pick then Jamal brown healthy with a yr at RT under his belt for the first time in ever.

Rb- torrain, williams, Portis will be cut unless he takes a major pay cut, unlikely

Fb sellers for another yr

Wr- Sid Rice/ VJax whomever is willing to come here, Moss in the slot, Armstrong, Austin, Banks

Qb- here's the icing on the cake, Dmac n Grossman! I wanna see what Dmac can do if healthy another yr to learn the O n a lot of new help. If they fail next yr then just cut donny n grossman then grab the top qb available with weapons in place

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 6, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Brandon, I could live with your lineup, but I think there are two holes in it. Barnes is fine as a backup S, but he needs to concentrate on cb. I think we need a FA to fill FS.

And I'm not sure Bryant is sufficient for full-time NT. In 5 seasons, he's only been active for 15 games, started 6. We are being told that NT is the most significant position in a 3-4. I'm not ready to assign AB full-time to theat slot.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

redDMV

The crowing about lineman as an insult to my analysis is nice but:

It's time for my daily plug of Marcell Dareus.

I like Dareus, Powe, Fairley, Clayburn, and the kid Heyward from Ohio State is a very athletic defenisve end.

A nose tackle, defensive end or tackle or a kid who can play both should be high on our list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 1:36 PM |

I've been posting this general theme for weeks.

The stuff about corners and Pryor is just rhetoric.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Red is right in that a good secondary will only show itself if the front seven allows them to do it.

Moe is right I'm that a good front seven will not win you games if your secondary cant keep teams from getting behind them. See Dallas.

To be a great defense, you have to have both to some degree. Jim Johnson always had stellar secondaries in Philly with a solid front seven (pressure came from blitz packages). Pittsburgh, outside of Troy p, employs stellar front 7 with solid role players in the secondary. Both work. You've got to build your team with a certain philosophy in mind though.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Luck is staying? Wow!!

Stanford president John L. Hennessy issued this statement reagarding Andrew Luck's decision to stay in school:

"Stanford reputation as an academic university is unparalleled. However, I can't imagine a more stupid move than turning down $60million to get an architecture degree. The harm this does to our reputation of having smart students is devasting to all of us. This is a bad day for all of us who wear the cardinal. And by cardinal, I mean the color, not the bird."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

As soon as I saw a stat on CR22...I knew psp wouldn't be far along....

Sign the bama @ 7Mil/yr and keep it moving.....please don't put in alot of gaurenteed $$$...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is a good fit here because he can tackle. Of course, he will want a ton of cash but the market will play itself out. 8.5m a year is more than he needs but probably what he can get. Smoot got 7M to play third corner.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Moe, if that's true what you're saying about Pryor then why was Vince Young a consensus top 5 draft pick and people have Pryor completely out of the 1st round, with some having him in the 2nd, or even 3rd round?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

4th, tie the MAJORITY of the money in the deal into interceptions....it will be a steal for the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, tie the MAJORITY of the money in the deal into interceptions....it will be a steal for the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 2:54 PM

Carlos will sign elsewhere.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Stanford announces Luck will stay in school...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 2:35 PM |

Good for him. A T-square in the hand is easily worth 50+ million in the bush.

Best of luck,

Matt Linart & Jake Locker

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe, do the Steelers have great CBs?

They run a 3-4, and maybe I'm wrong but they have very average corners. TP43 is the only dude that is a perennial pro bowler in their secondary.


If the Redskins fancy their 3-4 of that of the Steelers, then they're better off improving that front-7 ASAP. The Steelers have shown that you can get it done with an average to decent secondary and a bomb ass front seven.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:41 PM
------------------------------------------
I think their corners are okay. The difference is those guys can play man to man better than the average corner and Polamalu/Clark are above average safeties. I do agree that their front seven is a 3-4 defensive coordinator's dream.

I found it interesting in the post that Brown put up here how Keim cited linebacker pass coverage as one of Washington's myriad defensive problem areas. Better play by linebackers in pass coverage is going to help Washington's secondary, too.

Gosh, this defense has a lot of holes when you really start getting down to it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM

Co-F'in-Sign!!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, this defense has a lot of holes when you really start getting down to it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Exactly. Including many that were self-inflicted.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM

Co-F'in-Sign!!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:05 PM |

I couldn't care less about the $$ that Danny spends (loses) on top FA's - I care about the draft picks.

Spend all the money you want. I hope we don't give up ANY draft picks this year. Rather, I believe we need to take steps to ADD draft picks.

Spend money w/o losing picks = FINE BY ME!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

danny boy has never been tight with his wallet. He just spends too much on FA former probowlers who are past their prime. Hopefully MS/BS will be smarter with who gets targeted with the cap. Spread it around to more productive players.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

All good Moe, good to be back talking football with you crazy bastards once again.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. A T-square in the hand is easily worth 50+ million in the bush.

Best of luck,

Matt Linart & Jake Locker

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:03 PM

Hey, better not clown Matt Leinart... he got a 35 on his Wonderlic test! Obviously, a future Hall of Famer...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM

Co-F'in-Sign!!!!

Posted by: Alan4

Never been a fan of seeing Danny's $$ go to waste. It shows up in other ways (beer prices, lousy game day experiences, smaller fan base, etc) and these will hurt the franchise -- its probably already happening, just not in obvious ways.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Every mock draft on the internet will have to be totally changed now.

I would think the Panthers will now go DL

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh. Fred "Assault a Woman at a Nightclub" Davis...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh. Fred "Assault a Woman at a Nightclub" Davis...

Posted by: 4-12

yuck

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Moe, if that's true what you're saying about Pryor then why was Vince Young a consensus top 5 draft pick and people have Pryor completely out of the 1st round, with some having him in the 2nd, or even 3rd round?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

There's a couple of reasons for that:

#1 There were no good QB prospects that year and a lot of teams needed a QB.

#2 VY won a national championship and people want winners. They don't care if they can actually throw a football. See Matt noodlearm Leinart and Jewalrus Russel.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Accused, but not charged yet..

Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse


why does every one care if the redskins save money? go spend it on real players instead of loosers like fat albert...open up your wallet danny boy

Posted by: unknownsouljah | January 6, 2011 2:50 PM

Co-F'in-Sign!!!!

Posted by: Alan4

Never been a fan of seeing Danny's $$ go to waste. It shows up in other ways (beer prices, lousy game day experiences, smaller fan base, etc) and these will hurt the franchise -- its probably already happening, just not in obvious ways.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:12 PM

+1 I would also like to see them focus more on players who want to win and fit their system rather than just get paid.

Posted by: skinswest | January 6, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey, better not clown Matt Leinart... he got a 35 on his Wonderlic test! Obviously, a future Hall of Famer...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:11 PM |

Funny. I would own you in any debate in real life with that sort of outlook.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM

I think he's buddies with Lavar.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM

He must suck massively to be released so quickly after being drafted that high. Red flag.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"good to be back talking football with you crazy bastards once again"

red, how did rehab go??

you think you've got it kicked this time??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM |

11th overall in round 1.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, we should scoop him up. His problem is that he is just a little too small. He needs another year or two in the weight room. The Bills are stupid if they thought he was going to be a contributor from day 1. He was drafted way too high. He should have fallen to the second round and sat on the bench for a year or two.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Arrington is Maybin's manager.


Aaaaaaaand there you have it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, better not clown Matt Leinart... he got a 35 on his Wonderlic test! Obviously, a future Hall of Famer...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:11 PM

Funny. I would own you in any debate in real life with that sort of outlook.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:31 PM

If you win any debates, even amongst the RI hampsters, it could only be based on your wit and charm and not your sorely lacking hole-pocked logic.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-dolphinsharbaugh010610

If this is true (Harbaugh to Miami, Billick to SF), I think SF will be happy to have Billick. There have been plenty of 'hot' college coaches who struggled as pro coaches. Some guy named Spurrier comes to mind ...

Of course, it will make things much juicier in the Hue Jackson derby. SF is interviewing him to fill the Rooney Rule. But now he might be a serious candidate now that #1 is going elsewhere.

The Raiders can't afford to lose Jackson, he had a lot to do with the offense improvement. Plus, they let go of their HC, Cable.

Fun times out here in the Bay Area.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, we should scoop him up. His problem is that he is just a little too small. He needs another year or two in the weight room. The Bills are stupid if they thought he was going to be a contributor from day 1. He was drafted way too high. He should have fallen to the second round and sat on the bench for a year or two.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 3:36 PM |

6'4", 250? Too small? Try too slow.

Dude barely runs a 40 in 5 seconds.

Vinny would trade our 10th overall pick (and cash) for the guy.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Skins haven't been competitive for 20 years. They probably won't be competitive for another 20. I don't care if they win. I do wish they'd be entertaining. Go get Vince Young, DeAngelo Williams, and Justin Blackmon. Bring some excitement.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 6, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

someone yesterday posted about moving 'Rak back to DE. This would of course pre-suppose a viable replacement at OLB. I'm starting to think we're gonna draft Von Miller and this will happen. Dude is a tackling machine and has great speed. We could do much worse with the #10 (assuming we don't trade out)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

someone yesterday posted about moving 'Rak back to DE. This would of course pre-suppose a viable replacement at OLB. I'm starting to think we're gonna draft Von Miller and this will happen. Dude is a tackling machine and has great speed. We could do much worse with the #10 (assuming we don't trade out)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, we should scoop him up. His problem is that he is just a little too small. He needs another year or two in the weight room. The Bills are stupid if they thought he was going to be a contributor from day 1. He was drafted way too high. He should have fallen to the second round and sat on the bench for a year or two.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Apparently he did sit on the bench, for both years. Only started 1 game in 2 years. But he is 6'4", 250#. That's not too small, is it?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If you win any debates, even amongst the RI hampsters, it could only be based on your wit and charm and not your sorely lacking hole-pocked logic.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:39 PM |

Wit, charm, logic: three of his weak points. I would think he needs to steer any debate back to his strong points: racism, dooshbaggery, anger. Or, his fallback: his German luxury car, his richly appointed Georgetown home, and his seven-figure salary.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I've decided to follow Ol' Shanny's advice and hold off on making any judgements and decisions about the efficacy of Redskins players and schemes until I have had the opportunity to review and evaluate "the film."

Granted, after the season we've had to endure with this team, I can understand why the coach would prefer a night out at the movies.

Question is, exactly what film was he talking about anyway?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 6, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Does a seven figure salary include the two decimal places? That's not that much.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

6'4", 250? Too small? Try too slow.

Dude barely runs a 40 in 5 seconds.

Vinny would trade our 10th overall pick (and cash) for the guy.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

He ran a 4.59 after that 4.89.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Wit, charm, logic: three of his weak points. I would think he needs to steer any debate back to his strong points: racism, dooshbaggery, anger. Or, his fallback: his German luxury car, his richly appointed Georgetown home, and his seven-figure salary.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 3:44 PM |

Trust be queef-queef, if I were loved on this blog, I would then know that I would have achieved the highest order of dooshbaggery.

Now, tell your b*tch ass wife to get me a vanilla chai. You hear me?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

PFT reports that Aaron Maybin may be released from Bills. He turns 23 in April, was selected 15th in 2009 draft. Any interest?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, we should scoop him up. His problem is that he is just a little too small. He needs another year or two in the weight room. The Bills are stupid if they thought he was going to be a contributor from day 1. He was drafted way too high. He should have fallen to the second round and sat on the bench for a year or two.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

every time I've come across Maybin's name, it always about how stunningly bad he is. Not seen him play, so I've got nothing first hand. But here's a link that describes what he's done.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article302290.ece

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey, better not clown Matt Leinart... he got a 35 on his Wonderlic test! Obviously, a future Hall of Famer...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 3:11 PM |

Funny. I would own you in any debate in real life with that sort of outlook.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:31 PM

Seems like he was making fun of the Wonderlic test. What is it with you and "owning" people?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 6, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

6'4", 250? Too small? Try too slow.

Dude barely runs a 40 in 5 seconds.

Vinny would trade our 10th overall pick (and cash) for the guy.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 6, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse
He ran a 4.88 at the combine that year. Orakpo ran 4.7, so he is a little slower. Has anyone watched the Bills this past year?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Eric Wright, Browns Plenty of talent but occasional howlers. A good signing if the price is right.

Champ Bailey, Broncos Ageing corner, who is considering moving to FS to prolong his career. A solution to our FS need? Only if he can forgive Dan Snyder for choosing to pay Arrington over him. He will also need to accept he cannot command elite CB money at this stage of his career. I can't see it happening.

Antonio Cromartie, Jets Can't or won't tackle. Alledged to have an incredibly poor work ethic.

Stanford Routt, Raiders The name sticks in the mind, his play doesn't.

Ike Taylor, Steelers Far from elite cover corner, despite facing QBs who are frequently running for their lives.

Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders Hard to tell how good he is. I've got a sneaking suspicion he is nowhere near as good as reputed. Sure no one throws to his side, but why would you considering what has been playing opposite him. A group that has included DeAngelo "where's my guy gone" Hall.

Domonique Foxworth, Ravens Possible cap casualty, i.e. the Ravens don't think he is worth a lot of cash. Ozzie Newsome is one of the best executives in the league. If he cuts a player, let him stay cut until he accepts a much smaller paycheck.


Nate Clements, 49ers Possible cap casualty. Got rich, and suddenly couldn't cover. It's almost as though he has already been a Redskin free agent signing.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 6, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I just hope our draft pick is a pretty safe one.

QBs usually scare the shi! out of everyone because of the boom/bust thing.

I would be much happier with a center/guard/NT/LB.

Anthony Bryant played well at NT so we might be able to skip that one early on.

A big time 3-4 LB loos like the way to go.

But my heart is still set on Pouncey.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

OK, I propose that everyone submit 3 guesses at our first rd pick (again, assuming that we don't trade). Mine: Von Miller, Adrian Clayborn, Ryan Kerigan. I'd still like to trade down and get an OG and a defensive player but starting to think we go D if we're still at the #10.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's your dose of good news for the day:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/news/story?id=5995681

Posted by: freakzilla | January 6, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhhh, Beans with the jokie-joke-jokes...

Good one.

But seeing how I'm categorized and generalized, I'm more of a schizo/racist angry black dude.

Don't know if they have a cure for that.

Maybe watching Friends, or that show Wings from back in the day would help, with a little John Tesh music to boot.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

OK, I propose that everyone submit 3 guesses at our first rd pick (again, assuming that we don't trade). Mine: Von Miller, Adrian Clayborn, Ryan Kerigan. I'd still like to trade down and get an OG and a defensive player but starting to think we go D if we're still at the #10.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jake Locker/Pouncey/Von Miller

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

every time I've come across Maybin's name, it always about how stunningly bad he is. Not seen him play, so I've got nothing first hand. But here's a link that describes what he's done.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article302290.ece

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, zces. He was one of those "can't miss" players. Sounds like he did miss.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 6, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

But my heart is still set on Pouncey.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 3:59 PM |

#10 is to high to take a C the best C in the league Nick Mangold was a 29th pick, Pouncey's brother was taken with pick 18.

If you want a C then you trade down otherwise take a C in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

someone yesterday posted about moving 'Rak back to DE.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

That was me. At DE, he looks like he's a HOF guy. At OLB, not so much.

The irony is -- I was one of the few that wanted to see him play OLB in his rookie year. I didn't know if he'd be better as an OLB or as a DE. I was in favor of trying him at several spots -- essentially performing an experiment to see where this guy would be best.

And to me, it was clear. DE.

To be an effective DE, you need to have the speed to get an OL guy off balance and the power to be a threat with a bull rush. Coming out of college, Orakpo looked like he had the speed, wasn't sure about the strength or his ability to play the run.

Turns out, he was lightening fast coming out of his stance and shockingly powerful for a guy of his size ... and reasonable versus the run.

So me, one of the few folks who wanted to see him at LB in the first place, became a complete advocate for him going full time as a DE.

And now he's being under-used at OLB.

Arghhhh!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if they have a cure for that.

Maybe watching Friends, or that show Wings from back in the day would help, with a little John Tesh music to boot.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Try Northface jackets, reciting the lyrics of Wu-Tangs' "Triumph" around your black friends, Sperry shoes, and drive a Volkswagon(fine German sedan BTW).

This should help you attain a little more whiteness.

Oh and only tell racist black jokes if there are no black people in ear shot.

A lot of us won't admit it, but pretty much all white people do it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

He's still at least 15 pounds too small. He has a big frame so his 250 is a little doughy compared to Orakpo's ripped 250. Maybin would need to be about 265 before he'd be an every down player. He did run a 4.59 at his pro day so if he's that fast he may be a candidate for one of the other LB positions.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 6, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Seems like he was making fun of the Wonderlic test. What is it with you and "owning" people?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 6, 2011 3:52 PM

Maybe when you own nothing the idea of "owning" someone seems like a real insult? Plus he can't think of anything original to say.

Moe
I've got to side with Red on the CB thing. It all starts up front. Both sides of the ball. That seems to be the way the good teams are built. And we currently have nothing up front.

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

And Patrick Peterson might very well put them all to shame. Wish we had some more draft picks this year.
It would be so much funner being a pats or steelers fan on draft day(or any day really). shower time.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders Hard to tell how good he is. I've got a sneaking suspicion he is nowhere near as good as reputed. Sure no one throws to his side, but why would you considering what has been playing opposite him. A group that has included DeAngelo "where's my guy gone" Hall.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen

I can sum up Nnamdi with a few simple stat lines. Andre Johnson, 1st team ALL PRO, league leader in receptions and yards in 2008. His last 3 games that year:

Game 1: 11 catches for 207yds and 1TD
Game 2: 2 catches for 19yds and 0TDs
Game 3: 10 for 148yds and 2TDs

Guess which game he went up against Nnamdi

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Center is very deep in this class. One of the top three(Odowd, Winewski, or Pouncey) should be available in the second. There are some other decent names behind them. we need a Center but 10th overall is to high. But we need to grab someone at that position in the draft.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe is on the offseason beat....


Report: Jeff Fisher to Remain Titans Coach

Fine. We'll fax Donovan McNabb's agent's number right after someone points out Fischer has coached a lot and won nothing.

Jason Garrett Named Cowboys Coach

Further proof that good people sometimes wind up in bad places.

Ochocinco: Racial Discrimination Exists in NFL

Black groupie chicks complain about this all the time when they see brothas walking out of strip club with freaky double-teaming blonde Becky types.

T.O.: White receivers make more money than black ones

Perhaps Tiger Woods can help you find cheaper white receivers.

FanHouse TV: Is the Rooney Rule Working?

It sure is.

Nelson Mandela is interviewing for the Panthers' head coach job ask we speak---the need for black candidates is just that strong.

Jim Harbaugh Meets With 49ers' GM, President

That Michigan education will be needed to count the loot they'll offer after deciding to replace one ex-bear with another ex-bear.

Titans: Vince Young Not Returning in 2011

I guess the franchise decided to toss his shoulder pads away this time around.

Wade Phillips Hired as Texans' D-Coordinator

And the good people of Houston will soon discover that just like his father, Mr. Phillips is just a Bum.

RI to block mistamoe's posts as they drive down hits

The last thing I hit was the door mrsmoe slammed in my face.

Next time I'll knock while she's slobbing it's knob.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So, Andrew Luck is staying in school. Everything changes now.

Can Cam Newton rise all the way to #1? Probably not but he'll be the 1st QB gone.

My offseason predictions:
Vince Young goes to Minnesota.

Losers of the VY sweepstakes (AZ and Miami) try to outbid each other for the services of one Donovan "3rd Down and Dirt" McNabb.

Skins land a 2nd and a 3rd for McNabb and upgrade their O-line and QB with those picks.

Championship.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 6, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Jake Locker/Pouncey/Von Miller

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd be OK with any of those...not that I have much of a choice. Pouncey does seem a bit high for a C as Flounder (that's "flundra" in Swedish) said, but it is a great need. As for Locker- if Shanny believes in him, you know he's got the physical tools. And Miller- I really like this kid. Lots of needs = lots of possibilities...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

forgetting picks or a second, who can play better defense between rogers and hall?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

All of these calls for picking up Nnamdi Asomugha...

Why do you guys hate Sam Huff so much?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 6, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Jake Locker/Pouncey/Von Miller

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd be OK with any of those...not that I have much of a choice. Pouncey does seem a bit high for a C as Flounder (that's "flundra" in Swedish) said, but it is a great need. As for Locker- if Shanny believes in him, you know he's got the physical tools. And Miller- I really like this kid. Lots of needs = lots of possibilities...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse


1st pick should not be Jake Locker. He'll be around when we pick in the 2nd. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 6, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

forgetting picks or a second, who can play better defense between rogers and hall?


Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM |

If your forgetting picks then thats easy Rogers is a better cover corner and a better tackler.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Winewski, or Pouncey

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

After watching the UF v PSU bowl game I would be happy with either one.

Watching Pouncey pull from the center position and lead blocking 20-30 yards downfield in that game was a thing of beauty.

Hadnt seen Wisniewski play before that game and came away impressed with him as well.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM

If you go for the occasional flash of brilliance, Hall is your man.

If you prefer steady, all-around performance from your corner, then it's Rogers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

mack/red

I've got to side with Red on the CB thing. It all starts up front


If you scan back through my posts over the past weeks, you'll realize I've only been promoting the idea that the skins should drive a defensive end, outisde linebacker, fs, nose tackle, and defensive tackle.

This 'argument' is what happens when someone takes a piece of analysis you offer and turns it into a blog fight.

And I don't fight with dudes I can't see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Center is very deep in this class. One of the top three(Odowd, Winewski, or Pouncey) should be available in the second. There are some other decent names behind them. we need a Center but 10th overall is to high. But we need to grab someone at that position in the draft.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Co-signage; we can get Von Miller/Locker AND a good center I think in Rounds 1 and 2...would love to think we could trade back from 10 to 16-18 range, pick up an extra 2nd rounder, still get Miller in 1st round, a Center and either QB or OG in 2nd...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

We're in a blog fight Moe?

Posted by: mack1 | January 6, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

All of these calls for picking up Nnamdi Asomugha...

Why do you guys hate Sam Huff so much?

Posted by: freakzilla |

Never did get close to Kemoeatu, did he? I recall hearing him the first time he tried it -- actually its why I listened that day. Classic stuff!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Jim Harbaugh Meets With 49ers' GM, President

That Michigan education will be needed to count the loot they'll offer after deciding to replace one ex-bear with another ex-bear.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Miami is willing to outbid any offer San Fran has. Word is that San Fran was offering a bit above 5 million and Miami is talking 7 million and up to 8 million.

And Jeff Ireland privately is saying Harbaugh and Dez Bryants Mom are no different, as tehy both while make their bed with the highest bidder.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

So true he was moving dudes sideline to sideline. THey are both great choices howver Poucey has played both G and C, having moved to C after his bro went pro. Im with Ih8, the more ives seen Pouncey the more I want that dude.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

But seeing how I'm categorized and generalized, I'm more of a schizo/racist angry black dude.

Don't know if they have a cure for that.

Maybe watching Friends, or that show Wings from back in the day would help, with a little John Tesh music to boot.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 4:04 PM

Ask Mistamoe. I think he has worked it out. While you're waiting you might try:

No more ribs or fried chicken. Switch to salmon poached in olive oil.

No more watermelon. Switch to strawberries with whipped cream.

Throw out your music. Switch to Brahms, Mahler, and -- when you want to go wild -- Stravinsky.

Trade in your Cadillac for a Buick.

No more Air Jordans. Sperry Top Siders after work, Bass Weejuns during office hours.

Stop calling me homie or bro'. I'm "buddy" from now on.

And, this is the hard part. No more sex until you're married.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

According to law enforcement sources, Davis -- a 2nd round draft pick in 2008 -- was identified as a suspect in a police report filed early this morning ... after an alleged altercation between the NFL player and a female clubgoer.

The woman told police she was hanging out at Josephine nightclub -- when Davis approached her in an "aggressive" manner and grabbed her ... so she threw a drink on him.

A short time later, she claims, Davis retaliated by throwing a drink back on her -- and then striking her in the lip with an object. Sources at the club tell us the woman claimed she was hit with a champagne bottle.


Law enforcement sources tell us the club is equipped with surveillance cameras which captured the confrontation ... and cops will review the footage.

So far, no charges have been filed -- and we're told Davis is expected to speak with cops sometime today to give his side of the story.

Davis' people had no comment.

Posted by: DrPainless | January 6, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't seen Wisniewski play before that game and came away impressed with him as well.


Wisnewski seems more like a Shanahan player than Pouncey as he's lighter.

Then, you have to ask who has Shanny's ear.

Kyle will want a quarterback and matching receiver or his 'system'.

BA might say FA will bring a center and right guard.

Foerster might say S Heyer can be a decent NFL guard--and a right tackle is preferable.

Again: we need more picks as the needs are than diverse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

forgetting picks or a second, who can play better defense between rogers and hall?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 6, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

DHall better playmaker; Roger better overall defensive corner.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

*they both will make their bed with the highest bidder

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

As ive stated before my ideal draft would start out with us trading down(still not sure thats possible but wtf its january) getting one of those C with our late first rounder and getting Marvin Austin with our early second rounder, he goes in ths second for what someone els described as the "dez bryant effect". Cause peepe might thik he is a malcontent.

fwiw I know Marvin Austins cousin. he speaks very highly of the kid from Ballou. always been good to his family and has a good head on his shoulders. So i personally think nothing of Marvins issues.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I think one thing that will make our offense a whole lot better next year is...a better defense.

Rebuilding projects (yeah, that's us) start at both lines and a solid D first. (solid run game, then you add the vertical game...) If we create a defensive front 7 that are a wrecking crew, that would make a HUGE difference in our fortunes (and field position).

Have to see what FA brings, but I could see us using our 1st and 2nd on DE and OLB, with both having pass rushing pedigrees.

Posted by: edvar | January 6, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And, this is the hard part. No more sex until you're married.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

ITs no more sex after your married with kids. Thats why Tiger cheated. And why Al Bundy had a stash of Bigguns.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"If you prefer steady, all-around performance from your corner, then it's Rogers"

wouldn't the description above involve interceptions??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

sounds like you're a bit biased!! but yea, he looks legit. good genes apparently, his bro is playin well for Pittsburgh

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

No more ribs or fried chicken...no more sex until you're married.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

OK, now you're pi$$In me off. I'm comfortably numb, have major munchies and you're spouttin' off about ribs and fried chicken??

And speak for yourself homie- most people I know - white, black or somewhere in between- and wh*res.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ITs no more sex after your married with kids. Thats why Tiger cheated.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 6, 2011 4:42 PM

Good one. Pay attention Red. I thought the reason Tiger cheated was because he could.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Ask Mistamoe. I think he has worked it out.


You cut me deep, beep.

You cut me deep.

You are insinuating that somehow I am not as black as the next black man.

Folks here know I'm an oreo.

I will be on a stamp the next Oreo History Month.

I like a lot of the things that black men like:

--I list to the Black Crowes

--I can't dance

--I enjoy mayo on a BLT

--I have a neat yard

--I understand jazz and baseball and hockey

--I think the Nation of Islam is anti-Semtic

--I think the movie "Undercover Brother" is stupid

--I didn't vote for Obama

--Sarah Palin is hottttt!!!!

--I hope they ban rap music

--finally, the last thing I do that makes me like a lot of black men is that I've made a lot of money.

Which is why my white wife loves me so much.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check:

1. Shanahan' not going to re-sign a player that spends most of his time in the training room and very little on the playing field (Rogers).

2. McNabb's not going to play for the Redskins and they are not going to be able to get anything for him. Every other team interested in DM5 is going to wait us out and we will release him before he takes the practice field and gets injured and we have to pay him multi-millions to hang out at home and do the occasional telephone interview with media about how stupid the Redskins brain trust is. He'll be released by March 30 -- bank it.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 6, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins tight end Fred Davis has been accused of assaulting a woman in a D.C. area nightclub early this morning

According to law enforcement sources, Davis -- a 2nd round draft pick in 2008 -- was identified as a suspect in a police report filed early this morning ... after an alleged altercation between the NFL player and a female clubgoer.

The woman told police she was hanging out at Josephine nightclub -- when Davis approached her in an "aggressive" manner and grabbed her ... so she threw a drink on him.

A short time later, she claims, Davis retaliated by throwing a drink back on her -- and then striking her in the lip with an object. Sources at the club tell us the woman claimed she was hit with a champagne bottle.


Law enforcement sources tell us the club is equipped with surveillance cameras which captured the confrontation ... and cops will review the footage.

So far, no charges have been filed -- and we're told Davis is expected to speak with cops sometime today to give his side of the story.

Davis' people had no comment.

Posted by: DrPainless | January 6, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Oreo History Month

lmfao!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Wisnewski seems more like a Shanahan player than Pouncey as he's lighter.
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Disagree - Shanny doesn't prefer lighter weight, he just usually has to go with that to get the athleticism he wants. Pouncey has athleticism plus size.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"A short time later, she claims, Davis retaliated by throwing a drink back on her -- and then striking her in the lip with an object. Sources at the club tell us the woman claimed she was hit with a champagne bottle."


Wow!

If he had just tried to block her instead, the whole thing would have gone unnoticed!

Posted by: edvar | January 6, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

If he had just tried to block her instead, the whole thing would have gone unnoticed!

Posted by: edvar

nice!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it matters if the Penn State center is lighter, if Pouncey is just as quick.

I mean if there was a guy that did the exact same thing DeSean Jackson does, but he was 6'5 240...who do you take.

Trent Williams is huge, but by far our fastest OL.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

--I list to the Black Crowes
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I knew I liked you, Moe.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Pouncey has athleticism plus size.


The Pouncey argument is on point.

But taking him at 10, like flounder21 said, is a stretch.

Perhaps we need a trading partner in picks 15-25, 1st round to make such a move.

What's the draft return pickwise if you draft down in the 1st round?

Pouncey in 1 still means a quarterback in round 2, though.

I'm not desiring to build a future on Rex Grossman, and would like to see a young'n groomed behind next Fall.

That's why guys like Devlin and Ponder and the Mizzou kid (I don't know him) are also of 2nd round interest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

This dead horse isn't even beat the hell out of yet.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 6, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"A short time later, she claims, Davis retaliated by throwing a drink back on her -- and then striking her in the lip with an object. Sources at the club tell us the woman claimed she was hit with a champagne bottle."


Wow!

If he had just tried to block her instead, the whole thing would have gone unnoticed!

Posted by: edvar

If Rex had thrown it, it would have been picked off

If Donovan had thrown it, it would have hit the ground instead

If Carlos Rogers had been in the way, he'd have gotten his hands on it and dropped it.

If Graham Gano tried it, it would have gone wide right

If Brandon Banks was there, he's have taken it to the house, but then had it called back on a penalty.

If Mike Shanahan had done it, he would have blamed it on Hunter Smith.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Notorious_LMG |

Most of that stuff is jokes, son.

I'm blacker than Malcolm X, I'm just chilled about my race and don't throw it up in folks face as that's rude and ignat.

But I do listen to the Crowes and Zepplin and Little Feat (that kind of music is smokin' music).

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If Rex had thrown it, it would have been picked off

If Donovan had thrown it, it would have hit the ground instead

If Carlos Rogers had been in the way, he'd have gotten his hands on it and dropped it.

If Graham Gano tried it, it would have gone wide right

If Brandon Banks was there, he's have taken it to the house, but then had it called back on a penalty.

If Mike Shanahan had done it, he would have blamed it on Hunter Smith.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If Kareem Moore and DeAngelo Hall were there, they would have tried to push her out of the way, but completely miss.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

The 10 pick is worth 1,300 points

Trading down in the teens would probably only get you a 3rd.

Trading down in the 20 would get you an extra 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If Albert had been there, he have just laid down on the floor until it was over.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

The 10 pick is worth 1,300 points

Trading down in the teens would probably only get you a 3rd.

Trading down in the 20 would get you an extra 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

What? Is this some Brian Burke statistical jibberish?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The 10 pick is worth 1,300 points

Trading down in the teens would probably only get you a 3rd.

Trading down in the 20 would get you an extra 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 5:14 PM

That's the way to think about it today. On draft day, when #10 comes up if there's a guy that two or three other teams want then it's worth 1700 points. And if no team wants anyone, it's worth zero points and you pick. Somehow, every year all of Belichik's picks are worth 1700 points on draft day.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What? Is this some Brian Burke statistical jibberish?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 5:18 PM |

No there is a draft trade value chart that is used by NFL teams it gives points to every pick in the draft to help teams make trades.

I'm not saying it's perfect or the end all be all but I've heard teams do use it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If Albert had been there, he have just laid down on the floor until it was over.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

haha...I guess that's why he wears that 'PUNK' jacket.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Beep is correct a lot of it depends on how desperate a team is to move up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Police say surveillance video supports Fred Davis' account of the incident."


Now I ain't sayin' she a gold digger.....


Posted by: 4-12 | January 6, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"A short time later, she claims, Davis retaliated by throwing a drink back on her -- and then striking her in the lip with an object. Sources at the club tell us the woman claimed she was hit with a champagne bottle."

Posted by: edvar
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She was just ticked because he fell asleep on her.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Narcoleptus interruptus.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Most of that stuff is jokes, son. But I do listen to the Crowes,Zepplin and Little Feat(that kind of music is smokin' music).

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't know much about Little Feat but my top 5 acts of all time are Stones, Marley, Zeppelin, Dead, RHCP. Them's all smokin' music, son. Peace!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"If you prefer steady, all-around performance from your corner, then it's Rogers"

wouldn't the description above involve interceptions??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Oh well if you're going to bring that aspect up, might as well consider touchdown passes surrendered, for which Hall has a significant lead. A dropped int. possibilityhurts, but not as much as seeing a 92 yard TD surrendered.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh well if you're going to bring that aspect up, might as well consider touchdown passes surrendered, for which Hall has a significant lead. A dropped int. possibilityhurts, but not as much as seeing a 92 yard TD surrendered.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

totally agree. if I had to choose between the two, I'm taking 22 over 23. Not as flashy but much more steady.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

anyone who brings Little Feat up here has gets a thumbs up, or weed whites and wine

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

He ran a 4.88 at the combine that year. Orakpo ran 4.7, so he is a little slower. Has anyone watched the Bills this past year?

Posted by: frediefritz


How fast was Clay Mathews? Orakpo needs to study how low he gets when going around O-tackles

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

Trading down in the teens would probably only get you a 3rd.


So MaddenGMMOE says work to trade that pick, AH (5th) and DM5 (4th).

The fantasy?:

2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

If you sense a lot of good players might slide into mid rounds, this is an excellent scenario, IMO.

(You also don't get caught having to pay the beau coup 1st round, number 10 money.)

The type of guys folks crave--lineman--would still be good at picks 3-4-5-5-5.

So, you wonder if we can find a trade partner.

Otherwise, we know where we can find all the fantasy we want: here in RI.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If you like all those good folks, LMG, you should like Feat. Check out Waiting For Columbus, one of the best live albums ever, recorded at Lisner in DC. I was there one of the nights they were recording.

IMHO, the RHCP's are currently the best band on the planet.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 6, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh well if you're going to bring that aspect up, might as well consider touchdown passes surrendered, for which Hall has a significant lead. A dropped int. possibility hurts, but not as much as seeing a 92 yard TD surrendered.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

totally agree. if I had to choose between the two, I'm taking 22 over 23. Not as flashy but much more steady.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG |

Agree. It's nice to have a guy who can make a game changing int. or strip now and then, but not at the expense of the cover skills DHall lacks.

I fear Rogers is going bye-bye tho.

Posted by: TheCork | January 6, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

If you like all those good folks, LMG, you should like Feat. Check out Waiting For Columbus, one of the best live albums ever, recorded at Lisner in DC. I was there one of the nights they were recording.

Posted by: NYPDee

Got the CD of waiting for Columbus, they cut a couple songs from the LP.

Lisner was also the site of Lowell George's last gig. I didn't see that show, but my sister did.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who is doing PR for that Devlin kid out of UD, but I sure have been hearing his name a lot lately. If anyone here saw him play this year, I would love to hear some first hand observations.

Seems to me like he would be the type of 2nd round pick Shanny would love to make (if the kid falls that far). I don't think Shanny wants to deal with the ego of a 1st round pick, and I think he would much rather look like the genius who turned the 4th or 5th QB taken into a Pro Bowler than look like he made the "obvious" choice and traded up for the consensus #1.

Posted by: CommieX | January 6, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Winewski, or Pouncey

Posted by: Stu27 | January 6, 2011 4:21 PM |


Why not BOTH?
Trade down in the 1st, pick up Pouncey in the late teens/ early 20s, then grab Winewski near the top of the 2nd.

Then Devlin, or someone in the 2nd, too.

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 6, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

If the decision were up to me, the only ones I'd make a run at would be Bailey, Wright, Asomugha, and Foxworth (in that order). But just for laughs, I'll take a stab at all of 'em:

-Eric Wright, Browns

Young, promising player that'll probably come on the cheap. Probably a low cost/high reward situation.

-Champ Bailey, Broncos

I know some folks up here still don't like him for the way he left, but he played for Shanahan, played here, and he's cool with eventually playing FS--which will extend his career and effectiveness. So long as we don't overpay for him, he's the best case scenario for a D that needs him BADLY.

-Antonio Cromartie, Jets

Cromartie = DHall...we've already got a guy that gambles for picks, doesn't tackle consistently, and occasionally gives up the big play. No need in breaking bank for TWO of those guys.

-Stanford Routt, Raiders

Admittedly, I know nothing whatsoever about this guy. Which probably means he'd end up being a good signing.

-Ike Taylor, Steelers

Ike Taylor = Carlos Rogers...big, physical CB with salad tongs for hands. I'll pass on Ike for very obvious reasons.

-Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders,

Another older CB, only I doubt he'd be as good at FS as Champ would be. He's a great character guy and probably gets a shot with a contender or stays in Oakland.

-Domonique Foxworth Ravens,

Local guy who would probably come cheap, but I wouldn't say he's any better than DHall. We could do worse but we could also do a lot better.

-Nate Clements, 49ers

Too old, too expensive. No thanks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The only updated draft I saw was from fanhouse (every other one still has luck at #1).

They have Redskins taking Locker at 10. That would be horrible. He won't go until mid-2nd round unless Redskins pick him.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 6, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The only updated draft I saw was from fanhouse (every other one still has luck at #1).

Posted by: zornskins2
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http://www.mynfldraft.com/NFL-Mock-Draft-2011

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 6, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is a 1st class starting NFL cornerback that matches up well against the best wide receivers in the world. Of course are knuckle head media will run him out of town only seeing warts. Boneheads!!!

Posted by: CTaylor42 | January 6, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Vic1

"-- and instead of pitting the AFC vs. the NFC in yet another “yawner game” of Pro Bowl play, the game would evolve into more of Pros and Joes competition -- pitting a team of all stars from the next college draft class against a team of league's declared free-agents."

I laughed out loud. I did not LOL.

Posted by: WestCoastBullet | January 7, 2011 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever heard of a place called "123 Get Samples" on the web, they give out a free samples of major brands to promote their products. I just got mine.

Posted by: emilyalonso7 | January 7, 2011 2:50 AM | Report abuse

The article mentions that "since 2006, Rogers ranks sixth in the NFL in passes defensed with 72 over that span". I do admit that those would be great numbers but he has that many passes defensed because of all all the passes he drops. He ain't called HANDS OF STONE for nothing now.

Posted by: VDonger | January 7, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

The article mentions that "since 2006, Rogers ranks sixth in the NFL in passes defensed with 72 over that span". I do admit that those would be great numbers but he has that many passes defensed because of all all the passes he drops. He ain't called HANDS OF STONE for nothing now.

Posted by: VDonger | January 7, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I dunno cuz. Sixth in passes defensed seems pretty good to me. His job is to keep the wr from catching the ball. Ints are great,awesome game changing plays. It's a shame that Los hasn't been able to hold on to more of'em. But it would be sad to let go our top cover guy because he doesn't "catch enough balls". Hell, drop'em all as long as you don't let the opponent catch'em.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | January 7, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I think we should leave Champ alone. Remember, he wanted to leave and I can't get that image out of my head of him totally whiffing on a tackle during his last season here, might have been his last game.

Posted by: luvdc808 | January 7, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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