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Posted at 2:48 PM ET, 01/19/2011

Roster analysis: The defensive line market

By J.I. Halsell
J.I. Halsell

As the Redskins continue to prepare for offseason free agency, the defensive line is clearly a group in need of an upgrade. Washington's 3-4 defensive linemen as a group accounted for only 8.5 tackles for a loss on the season and generally did not make very many plays.

Clearly, a decision will have to be made on the future of Albert Haynesworth, and according to General Manager Bruce Allen, there's at least a chance the defensive lineman returns in 2011.

If the Redskins are indeed shopping Haynesworth on the trade market, however, he has a contract that is very tradeable. He has no guaranteed money remaining on the deal and only $12 million in salary over 2011 and 2012 before a $20 million bonus in 2013 makes the deal prohibitive.

Here's a look at the crop of 3-4 defensive linemen set to become free agents, headed by Ravens Pro Bowl defensive tackle Haloti Ngata:

Alan Branch (26), Cardinals
Haloti Ngata (27), Ravens
Marcus Thomas (25), Broncos
Kevin Vickerson (28), Broncos
Cullen Jenkins (30), Packers
Tony McDaniel (26), Dolphins
Paul Soliai (27), Dolphins
Shaun Ellis (33), Jets
Aubrayo Franklin (30), 49ers

It's safe to assume that Ngata won't be leaving Baltimore, and given the deal the Patriots consummated with Vince Wilfork that guaranteed him $24 million ($6 million of which is only guaranteed for injury), Ngata can anticipate a multi-year extension in the same neighborhood. But if the Ravens can't agree to a multi-year extension with Ngata, then, assuming the franchise tag comes back in its current form in a new CBA, franchising the perennial Pro Bowl nose tackle may be slightly more cost prohibitive due to the Albert Haynesworth deal.

In 2010, the franchise tag for defensive tackles was $7 million. In 2011 that number could increase by roughly 50 percent to easily exceed $10 million. The increase is due in large part to the Redskins' restructuring of Haynesworth's contract, a renegotiation that ballooned his 2010 team salary number to $24.8 million. It's this $24.8 million number that would be factored in the top five salaries calculation of the defensive tackle franchise tag. While a $10 million guaranteed one-year contract for Ngata is most certainly an option for the Ravens, to put a $10 million franchise tag in perspective, only the franchise tags for quarterbacks, offensive linemen, and defensive ends exceeded $10 million in 2010.

As the Redskins possibly seek a replacement for Haynesworth, perhaps fellow Volunteers Tony McDaniel, Shaun Ellis or Aubrayo Franklin can fit the bill. While not being a starter for the Dolphins, the 6-foot-7, 305-pound McDaniel -- in a rotational role -- had 36 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

McDaniel's teammate, Paul Soliai, had a statistically productive season, accounting for 39 total tackles and seven tackles for a loss. At 6 foot 4 and 355 pounds, Soliai is your prototypical big-bodied 3-4 defensive lineman.

Impending 27-year-old free agent Derek Landri of the Panthers, while not coming from a 3-4 system, had a good playmaking year. Landri had 43 total tackles on the season and tied for the NFL lead among defensive tackles with 8 tackles for a loss. Another defensive tackle from a 4-3 defense is the Giants' 26-year-old Barry Cofield, who since 2008 ranks sixth among defensive tackles over that span with 133 total tackles and is coming off of career highs in total tackles (54) and sacks (4) in 2010.

J.I. Halsell spent two seasons as a salary cap analyst for the Washington Redskins and now pens a blog entitled "Under the Cap" for FootballOutsiders.com. Follow him on Twitter at @SalaryCap101.

By J.I. Halsell  | January 19, 2011; 2:48 PM ET
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Let's just sign everyone under 30 and sort them out in training camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 19, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear Ann Landers

My name is Skippy and I have had four cats named Mr. Whiskers. First there was Mr. Whiskers, then Mr. Whiskers the Second, then Mr. Whiskers the Fourth, which was because I forgot what number it was, and then Mr. Whiskers again because I didn't know whether to call him the second or the fifth.
They are all dead except for the current Mr. Whiskers. The last Mr. Whiskers died a tragic death by hanging when Mama and he went for a walk and Mr. Whiskers excaped from Mama who ran up a tree. I mean Mr. Whiskers ran up a tree, not Mama, who doesn't climb trees ever since she took that header and fractured her female bone.
Anyway Mr. Whiskers stranguled to death of strangulation which was very sad, when he slipped and his leash got caught.
So the new Mr. Whiskers who has really nice teeth which I want to protect and I read how you should brush their teeth with oral dentalfrice to get them clean so they don't get periodominal disease.
I never give my cat gum or gin so Mr. Whiskers won't get Gum disease or Gin Givitis.
Mr. Whiskers scratched me so bad I had to go to the emergency which Floyd took me in his new Peterbilt. Floyd makes the best pie.
Now what? Should I keep trying to brush Mr. Whiskers teeth? Can I get Cat Scatch Fever? Floyd said I should get the cat drunk first.
Please let me know as Mr. Whiskers teeth are getting stained and my wounds are almost heeled.

Fondly,

Skippy

Cy: to TheCork

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Patriots are selecting in 17th slot.


fixed it for ya...


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 19, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Pat's are picking in the 17th slot, USING THE RAIDER'S PICK. That means the raidah's are selecting draft picks in the 17th slot. So when you value picks on a draft chart, you use the 17th slot values.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Fondly,

Skippy

Cy: to TheCork


Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

It's great to hear from Skippy again. It's been sooo long since his last missive. We need all we can get to shorten the wait for FA and the draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"That means the raidah's are selecting draft picks in the 17th slot"....

thats not...um...no....the Pats are picking 17th, and the Pats are selecting the person they'll pick in the 17th draft slot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 19, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I wish this guy was J Reid's replacement.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 19, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I wish this guy was J Reid's replacement.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 19, 2011 3:20 PM

I wish they'd make a video out of this article...this is waaaaay too long for me to read.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 19, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Record 56 Leave College Early for NFL Draft

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 19, 2011

NEW YORK (AP) — Cam Newton and Nick Fairley of national champion Auburn are among 56 non-seniors applying for April's NFL draft — a record total, but only three more players than left college early a year ago.

The uncertainty surrounding the league's labor situation does not appear to have had a significant effect on underclassmen opting to declare for the draft. The NFL released the names on Wednesday.

Newton, a quarterback, and Fairley, a defensive tackle, are joined by three other All-American juniors heading to the draft: Kentucky receiver-returner Randall Cobb, Clemson defensive end Da'Quan Bowers and LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.

The draft is April 28-30, even if there is no new collective bargaining agreement to replace the one that expires in early March.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 19, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear Skippy

Wake up and smell the coffee!!

It's really pretty easy -- that is, if you don't mind investing a little more into the long-term care and upkeep of Mr. Whiskers.

If you really want to keep his teeth shining bright just take him to your local taxidermist -- who can stop both the scratching and the staining of the teeth -- and perserve that special smile forever and ever, amen.

And if it's done right, you'll never need to buy another Mr. Whiskers again.

All the best!

Ann

Posted by: Vic1 | January 19, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If age (youth desired) and ability is desired, who would you pick from this list:

Alan Branch (26), Cardinals
Haloti Ngata (27), Ravens
Marcus Thomas (25), Broncos
Kevin Vickerson (28), Broncos
Cullen Jenkins (30), Packers
Tony McDaniel (26), Dolphins
Paul Soliai (27), Dolphins
Shaun Ellis (33), Jets
Aubrayo Franklin (30), 49ers

Ngata or Branch?

Or both?

Or neither as you'd rather draft two kids to train in your way of doin' thangs?

Decisions. Decisions. Decisions.

If you're keeping A Bryant (29), maybe he's your vet.

So you draft two young'ns, one who can play dt and de.

And you keep V Holliday to play d-end.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 19, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

could replace PDaniels with McDaniel...younger cat with what seems like some upside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 19, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

good to see Skippy again.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I say Marcus Thomas. Why you ask?

Because he is the youngest, I've never heard of him(thus making him much cheaper than say...Ngata).

But I think Bryant has earned himself that starting spot for next year, or at the least heavy rotation.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, if you don't want to brush Mr. Whiskers's teeth, you can always break out the old Water Pik.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 19, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

When does FA start?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Skippy,
What kinda cat is Mr Hiskers anyway? That's the most improtrent thing to know before advising you about your feeline friend.

If she is a he and a Chestire cat, those bright, shiny teeths are very, very improtrent, in case she/he disappears.

All the bsets.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 19, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast

Kiper has us taking Newton. He's never wrong.


Marcus Thomas is a borderline bust in Denver. I wouldn't count on him as a starter. Depth maybe. But I wouldn't try to build around him.

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

When does FA start?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:11 PM |

March 4th if there is no lockout.

From what I've been reading the owners have a few choices if they don't have an agreement by then.

Lockout

Declare an impasse and make the players work under the last rejected purposal. This gets tricky because they would have to prove they negotiated enough for an impasse to be declared. I'm sure the players would take this to court.

Continue working under the current rules, which is something the players want so the owners wont do that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If you believe that Carriker's performance this year was a result of better coaching of someone with raw talent but disappointing performance, then Alan Branch may be your guy. He started out his draft year (2007?) as a top-five pick but fell to early-2nd round (IIRC) due to "motivation issues". Now, he can't even crack the starting lineup in AZ.

Posted by: daggar | January 19, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast

Kiper has us taking Newton. He's never wrong.


Marcus Thomas is a borderline bust in Denver. I wouldn't count on him as a starter. Depth maybe. But I wouldn't try to build around him.

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 4:15 PM |

Kiper is always wrong in his mock draft, as a matter of fact anyone doing a mock draft is wrong most of the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

^^sarcasm re: Kiper btw

JJ Watt first round (or some other top DL/LB)
Andy Dalton or best of OL, LB, WR, CB, FS in second round

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@Flounder-Cool, hopefully we're smart about it. Kalil at center, Harris at RG would be sweet.

@daggar- is Branch the guy that played at Michigan?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Solari is a guy that's looking to be paid among the elite NT. He was a borderline bust until the last two years when the light may have come on. Could this be a buyer be ware situation? I'd also stay away from M. Thomas. He had character issues coming out of college (nic pick MS) and hasn't done much in the NFL since.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I say we should pick up Alan Branch. He is young and he was a backup in AZ and should be relatively cheap. Let him compete with Kemo, Bryant, and hopefully the stud NT we pick up in the draft.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 19, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller in the 1st is what i want

Posted by: patljr7 | January 19, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I also think with the 10th pick in the draft we should select Von Miller. He will be a sack machine and plays better in space then Orakpo. I just hope his combine numbers don't put him out of our reach.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 19, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

How do you get a job mock drafting?

Any one of us has just as good of a chance at getting it right than McShay/Kiper.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

He(Al Branch) is young and he was a backup in AZ and should be relatively cheap.


Our FA acquisitions for our defensive and offensive lines should be guys who are paid to step in and start.

Compete for back up spots?--WTF?

We already got backups: they're our starters.

And that's the problem.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I love the wannabe GM's, owners and execs in here tossing out names of players they want to see here (or gone) not to mention schemes, policies and other organizational matters.

No wonder everyone in here is so pissed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Again--let's draft a NT and D-end/Tackle type and make sure V Holliday is ready to start.

Adding back ups to a bad defense is like Dolly Parton stuffing her bra before a big date...

...with a blind man.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

@daggar- is Branch the guy that played at Michigan?
The same. An absolute beast at the college level. He's clearly not the elite 'steal' that might be out there, but I think our plan has to be to get deeper fast rather than 'elite' fast. We have too many holes to bank on getting just one guy. And I can't see how he wouldn't be cheap.

Posted by: daggar | January 19, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the wannabe GM's, owners and execs in here tossing out names of players they want to see here (or gone) not to mention schemes, policies and other organizational matters.

No wonder everyone in here is so pissed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I really don't care who we draft. I'll root for them.

I'm far from pissed, as tonight is the season premier of American Idol.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I love the wannabe GM's, owners and execs in here tossing out names of players they want to see here (or gone) not to mention schemes, policies and other organizational matters.

No wonder everyone in here is so pissed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I really don't care who we draft. I'll root for them.

I'm far from pissed, as tonight is the season premier of American Idol.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:49 PM |

Ditto.

I know that a lot of dooshes in here assume that the Shannys are racist, incompetent ego maniacal frauds but the team and the FO is in a much better place right now that it was this time last year.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 19, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I love the wannabe GM's, owners and execs in here tossing out names of players they want to see here (or gone) not to mention schemes, policies and other organizational matters.

No wonder everyone in here is so pissed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 19, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I really don't care who we draft. I'll root for them.

I'm far from pissed, as tonight is the season premier of American Idol.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2011 4:49 PM

(Day 6)

Co-sign, iH8! I'm not pissed, I'm strangely... optimistic!!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Not trying to be a GM just saying who i want to be drafted. Shoot if we draft Skam Newton I'll be pissed but i'll still root for him. Got to support the good and bad moves.

Posted by: patljr7 | January 19, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

7 round mock I found these are the Skins picks.

10. Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
2nd. Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech
5th Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
5th Lazarius Levingston, DE, LSU
6th Mario Addison, OLB, Troy
7th Alex Henery, K, Nebraska

This is not including the 6-7 we get for Tryon, I'm surprised there is still no info on the pick we ghet from Indy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

is Branch the guy that played at Michigan?
The same. An absolute beast at the college level. He's clearly not the elite 'steal' that might be out there, but I think our plan has to be to get deeper fast rather than 'elite' fast. We have too many holes to bank on getting just one guy. And I can't see how he wouldn't be cheap.

Posted by: daggar | January 19, 2011 4:47 PM

He's also the guy whose draft stock plummeted from #4 in the Top Five to the second round b/c the defensive line coach at Kansas City (Tim Krumrie) made him cry in a one-on-one drill at the Combine ... same Combine where Carriker jump up the charts for going head to head with Krumrie. Krumie was wearing cowboy boots. Branch got winded.

Posted by: dcsween | January 19, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is I posted a list a month back but included where they would fit in the 3-4.

More Skippy and less Cork.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

In the past couple weeks, there have been a number of comments about how good our defense really is. Some say 31st because they use yards allowed. Some say 21st using points allowed.

I've gone about trying to see why these 2 spots are so far apart and see if there is a fairer picture of where our defense realistically sits.

I looked at areas where there seemed to be noteworthy differences.

- OT (we played extra minutes in 4 games)
- FGs missed (FedEx is a tough place to kick)
- Penalties
- Turnovers

I added/subtracted as appropriate, you'll see (and no doubt criticize) my assumptions, though I think they are reasonable.

Turnovers:
We were 16th in getting turnovers, getting 3 more turnovers than the team ranked 22nd. Valuing a turnover at 50 yards, I subtracted 150 yards for those 3 turnovers.

We played 4 overtime games. I adjusted the results as if OT never happened.
In those games, the defense gave up 111 yards and 3 points, while getting 2 turnovers. So I subtracted 111 yards, subtracted 3 points and added back 100 yards for the 2 OT turnovers.

FGs
FedEx is bad for kickers. Opposing kickers went 13-20 at FedEx (Gano was 11-18). Most kickers make FGs at above 80%, so I added 3 FGs to get to 80%, or 9 points.

Penalties
Our defense was among the best. The stat I used were 1st downs awarded by penalty, we were 3rd best, with just 13. The 22nd ranked team had 27. I subtracted 10 yards for every penalty that resulted in a first down, a total of 140 yards.

The net of adjustments added 6 points to our 'points against' and subtracted 301 yards from our total 'yards against'

Our defense moved from 31st to 27th in yards, our points against went from 21st to 22nd.

I also checked a few other areas. To summarize, including the adjustments in yards and scoring, we were:

27th in yards allowed
22nd in points allowed
21st in TDs allowed
28th in FG attempts allowed
30th in yds/play

With all these numbers, its still clear the defense wasn't very good. But its probably too harsh to put it at 31st. I'd say 25th or so is a more reasonable ranking.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

This is aother 7 round draft this one will be more to the non QB fans liking.


10 Washington
Ryan Kerrigan
Purdue
OLB 3-4

41 Washington
Jake Kirkpatrick
TCU
OC

140 Washington
Tandon Doss
Indiana
WRF

152 Washington
Anthony Gray
Southern Miss
DT 3-4

171 Washington
Justin Boren
Ohio State
OG

201 Washington
Graig Cooper
Miami (FL)
RBF

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I know others have commented on this before, but does anyone really think Saunders wants to coach Campbell again ... or visa versa? The Raiders HC worked with Al in B'more, but I can't imagine this makes sense.

via AP -- "The Oakland Raiders have been given permission to talk to Baltimore assistant Al Saunders to fill their vacant offensive coordinator job."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that the Raiders are beginning to take on a distinct Redskins pedigree, particularly on the offensive side of the ball?

A former Skins OC is now the Raiders HC, Joe Gibbs handpicked top QB is now their franchise QB, and Joe Gibbs handpicked OC of the famed 700-page playbook is on the verge of becoming the Raiders new OC. Next thing you know, they'll be hiring Richie Petitbon to tighten up their defense!

Wow! I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

But I do know how to pick some winners.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2011 2:56 PM |

About the only thing you can pick is your nose and you prob don't do a very good job. Tell us all about this dick you were tooting last yr, BJ Spiller, chosen 9th in the draft by the Bills, how good he did up there in Buff, etc., etc.

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse


Um...I guess. The laughingstock Raiders have decided that the Redskins have the secret blueprint that every team should follow? Maybe if the Patriots did it, but not that heartening to have Redskins West follow Redskins East.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 19, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

A former Skins OC is now the Raiders HC, ...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 5:57 PM |

Dude - where did you get this shti from?

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
It sounds like Saunders may become the OC, but Jackson will call the plays. Saunders appeared to be a bit conservative as the Skins OC (assuming Gibbs wasn't overruling him), whereas Jackson seems to like a more wide open, downfield approach.
Campbell appears to benefit from someone pushing him to take more risks, and he should get that if Jackson continues with the playcalling.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Dude - where did you get this shti from?

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 6:05 PM |

My error. He actually was OC in 2003 under Steve Spurrier. One yr don't make him a part of the Skins fambly though, espec when it a Spurrier yr.

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

A former Skins OC is now the Raiders HC, ...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 5:57 PM

Dude - where did you get this shti from?

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 6:05 PM

Check out Hue Jackson's bio on wiki:

2001- 2002: Washington Redskins
(Running Backs Coach)

2003: Washington Redskins
(Offensive Coordinator)


Posted by: Alan4 | January 19, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like to see Campbell and Cartwright succeed (and they both did in 2010), the Raider franchise remains a cluster f.

They have respectable talent, but guys who have a choice aren't going to stick around for a team that can't fill its modest stadium and can't keep from taking legal actions vs its own coaches.

They have several capable free agents, those guys would be wise to move on.

Bottom line on the Raiders:
Bad management can screw up anything.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

201 Washington
Graig Cooper
Miami (FL)
RBF

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2011 5:23 PM

Seems like the classic Shanny late round RB pick. A talented back who because of a injury struggled the year in which the player entered the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

East West Shrine news

Draft Dish: Enderle shows off his skills

Jan. 19, 2011 Print it

By Russ Lande

Matt Littlefield reports from Orlando, Fla., on the first day of practice for the East-West Shrine Game:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The players at the East West Shrine Game, after weathering the storms, finally got on the practice field Tuesday and several were quite impressive to the collection of NFL scouts, personnel men and coaches.

EAST

Michigan State TE Charles Gantt. He was the best blocker of all the tight ends. He showed good hands, knee bend and hips to seal off the edge. He had one pass thrown to him, but it was broken up by the defender. He allowed the ball to get too close to his body, instead of catching it in his hands out away from his chest.

Richmond CB Justin Rogers. He showed good reaction time and acceleration closing on passes. He flipped his hips well to turn and run with receivers. He was the best player in seven-on-seven drills. He sinks his hips well and reacts quickly, but he seems to lack good recovery speed in press coverage.

Delaware QB Patrick Devlin. He has great size and mechanics, but he consistently stared down his primary receiver and was inaccurate to all levels throughout practice. He threw late for an interception during team drills. He has only average lateral quickness within the pocket. He lacks the athleticism to make plays with his feet.

Oregon DE Kenny Rowe. He appeared to be overmatched during practice. He is too small and lacks any special athletic qualities to develop at the NFL level. He could not shed run blockers, and he lacked the speed to get around the edge as a pass rusher.

Fairmont State WR Perry Baker. He is built like a toothpick, but he was the best route-runner and showed the best hands throughout practice. He has excellent quickness and decisiveness. He consistently extended his arms and snatched the ball away from his body.

North Carolina DT Marvin Austin. He got upright and straight-legged too quickly out of his stance. His pad level allowed offensive linemen to control and knock him back on his heels. He had a couple strong bull rushes early on during one-on-one drills, before appearing to get tired.

Georgia ILB Akeem Dent. He played the run well and showed strong awareness in coverage. He uses his hands well vs. tight ends in coverage but shows hip stiffness to turn and run in man-to-man down the seam. He also struggled to follow the coaches' instructions.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

WEST

UCLA DT David Carter. He had multiple wins during one-on-one pass-rush drills. He uses good change-of-direction skills and a strong swim move. He showed the ability to shed run blockers. He also held the point of attack vs. double-teams. He had a sack on a bull rush during the team drills.

USC TE Jordan Cameron. He is an aggressive blocker who uses his hands to control his man. He is a fluid athlete who can stretch the field vertically. He has the quickness to run the entire route tree. On Tuesday he escaped jams well, attacked the ball at its highest point and caught the ball quietly.

Idaho QB Nathan Enderle. He showed the most natural and consistent passing mechanics. He also was a strong ballhandler and play-action faker. Enderle displayed good field vision and quickly went through progressions. He was polished and consistent with all the techniques.

Calgary WR Anthony Parker. He has the best combination of size, speed and quickness. He has a natural ability to track and adjust to the ball in the air, and he has soft hands. Parker also showed strong run-after-catch ability; he was quick to become a runner and was elusive in the open field.

Hawaii OT Laupepa Letuli. He played center, right guard and right tackle during practice, but he fits best at center because of his lack of length and quickness. He is a tough interior blocker; he uses violent hand action to strike and lock out defenders, while maintaining his balance.

Central Michigan ILB Nicholas Bellore. He is a really aggressive player who always hustles. He showed deceptive speed with a definite burst to close quickly. He showed fluid hips to drop into zone coverage and to run with tight ends downfield. Bellore also is a hard hitter, and he has exceptional instincts vs. the run, often beating the back to the hole.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

How do you get a job mock drafting?

Any one of us has just as good of a chance at getting it right than McShay/Kiper.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Start a website with a Football-y name.

Put a Mock on it.

Send it here:

http://dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm

Update occasionally until draft.

Congratulations, you are now an official Mock maker.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

So depth is not important? Teams don't get rid of elite 3-4 NTs. We are not going to find one in FA. Branch the size and experience as a 3-4 NT. He would be a good rotational guy. Besides we need to save our FA dollars for Justin Blalock, Vincent Jackson, Champ Bailey and Richard Seymour. Get those guys in here. Trade McNabb stratigh up for Vince Young. Draft Von Miller in the 1st, best NT available in the 2nd. Next year we make playoffs. 2012 we have a serious SuperBowl contender. You know I am right!

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 19, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

More Skippy and less Cork.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

You first.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Kiper has us taking Newton. He's never wrong.

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 4:15 PM


Dude, I hope you're joking because Kiper is damn near ALWAYS wrong...if dude were right, we'd be discussing the train wreck that was Jimmy Clausen '10 instead of looking for another guy whose blind side will be protected by Trent Williams.

None of the clowns on ESPN are worth listening to...in fact, did you notice that they're talking draft already and NFLN isn't? Yeah, that's because THE SEASON ISN'T F-ING OVER YET! I mean, we don't know the full draft order yet, let alone team needs...so how the hell can anyone even attempt at throwing together a mock draft with a straight face?

The only draftnik worth a damn is Mike Mayock, and he's more likely to punch you for discussing draft during the playoffs than he is to make a damn mock draft before the conference championships. When he starts talking draft, I'll follow suit...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 19, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Besides we need to save our FA dollars for Justin Blalock, Vincent Jackson, Champ Bailey and Richard Seymour. Get those guys in here. Trade McNabb stratigh up for Vince Young. Draft Von Miller in the 1st, best NT available in the 2nd. Next year we make playoffs. 2012 we have a serious SuperBowl contender. You know I am right!

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 19, 2011 6:31 PM


Nice.

Hey everybody! I found which handle Vinny is posting under!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 19, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs looking at pass rushers
4:24PM ET
Could Elvus be leaving the building? How much is his worth?


Kansas City Chiefs | Interested: Elvis Dumervil?


Tamba Hali led the AFC in sacks this season. Elvis Dumervil led the NFL in sacks the year before. Could the Kansas City Chiefs put them both together and unleash them on helpless quarterbacks around the league?

ESPN AFC West blogger Bill Williamson speculates on the manner in a recent mailbag. He notes that with John Fox bringing the 4-3 defense to Denver, Dumervil seems to be a man without a position. On the other hand, Dumervil's so effective a pass rusher that the Broncos will try to find a spot for him in the 4-3.

Meanwhile, Hali will be a free agent whenever the new CBA is signed. Williamson doesn't mince words about Hali's future: "I don't see any scenario where the Chiefs allow Hali to walk."

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

^^sarcasm re: Kiper btw

JJ Watt first round (or some other top DL/LB)
Andy Dalton or best of OL, LB, WR, CB, FS in second round

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 4:20 PM

Dude, I hope you're joking because Kiper is damn near ALWAYS wrong...The only draftnik worth a damn is Mike Mayock, and he's more likely to punch you for discussing draft during the playoffs than

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 19, 2011 6:35 PM

Get a grip. As you can see - or just ignored, I was being sarcastic about Kiper. As far as Mayock - I heard him talking draft just the other day - said Dalton would be rising fast up the draft boards. It's all bs to pass the time - something skins fans are used to. Unless you just prefer to rehash the failings of JC, Leigh Torrance, etc. over and over and over.

Posted by: skinswest | January 19, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

One man's trash.....


A suitor for Haynesworth?
1:59PM ET
Albert Haynesworth | Redskins | Interested: Eagles?

It's hard to remember, but Albert Haynesworth was twice a first-team All-Pro defensive tackle for the Tennessee Titans. His defensive line coach at the time was Jim Washburn, who did a great job developing Jason Babin and Jason Jones after Haynesworth left.

Now Washburn has been hired by the Philadelphia Eagles. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora says that Haynesworth would love to play for Washburn again. The two are such a natural fit, La Canfora says, that after the Redskins signed Haynesworth in free agency, they tried to lure Washburn away from Tennessee.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Add delusional to the long list of what's wrong with VY..

ESPN NFL Vince Young: 'I'm an elite quarterback'

m.espn.go.com

Quarterback Vince Young sat down with Marcellus Wiley to talk about the end of the road for him with the Titans. “I’m an elite quarterback in the league,” he says. “I just want to win ball games.”The more he says it, the more he thinks it’ll come true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins needs some big time free agents to come in here and fix the ship. Mr. Snyder has a plan and we know how much he wants to win.

Fans should just let the brain trust of Shanahan, Allen and Snyder do their jobs and stop whining.

They are professionals.

I think a they will draft an awesome wr in the 1st rd and maybe a qb in the 2nd. That will be enough to get us over the top and deep into the playoffs.

Everything else is in place. I love Dan Snyder!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | January 19, 2011 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article, and as much as I hate to say this because I think Carlos is a good corner and we could use him, I'm inclined to agree. I love how the writer has nicknames him "The Eternal Victim."

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/01/carlos-rogers-and-bruce-allen-prove-redskins-can-t-even-win-the-offseason-anymore-46009.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

One man's trash.....


A suitor for Haynesworth?
1:59PM ET
Albert Haynesworth | Redskins | Interested: Eagles?

It's hard to remember, but Albert Haynesworth was twice a first-team All-Pro defensive tackle for the Tennessee Titans. His defensive line coach at the time was Jim Washburn, who did a great job developing Jason Babin and Jason Jones after Haynesworth left.

Now Washburn has been hired by the Philadelphia Eagles. NFL Network's Jason La Canfora says that Haynesworth would love to play for Washburn again. The two are such a natural fit, La Canfora says, that after the Redskins signed Haynesworth in free agency, they tried to lure Washburn away from Tennessee.

Posted by: TWISI

Albert will always be trash. Someday, soon enough, he'll also be bankrupt. That's what happens to guys who sleep on the job -- on national TV.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

zeke- a rare cosign..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Trading Albert will be tricky. The only time I'd be interested in having him on my team is in a contract year. Which is essentially what 2011, since his contract can be voided after 2011.

So what will a team give up for 1 year of Albert? Not much, I'm afraid. We'll get some offers, but he's a 1 year rental.

Would a team trade for him and negotiate a multi-year deal? Perhaps, but they'd be fools not to give themselves an out after every year.

In the end, we'll get something for him, but it won't be much. The team that gets him might not get much either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm I'm warmin up to the idea of newton.....

We need line help bad tho...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Frankly would like to see them move Fat Al and some not-too-expensive change to the Titans for Vince Young..Or just stand pat on QB till Luck arrives next year, and use our high !st on some quality lineman, OL or DL, it don't matter..

GothSkin Rain of the day-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfrfvVTMY9U

Posted by: frak | January 19, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm also hating that the 'pukes got rob ryan as their defensive coordinator. He knows what he's doing. They'll no longer be less than the sum of their parts.

On top of which, he'll help jerruh to make a run at one of the guys he coached in Oakland: Nnamdi. And I know there are a lot of skeptics up here, but Nnamdi really is that good.

Can I get another co-sign, Diesel, or is that a bit much for 1 evening ... ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- I'd take Bum's son over Rob Ryan so I'm not to bitter about the hire. As for as Nnamdi...he'll be 30 and he's a top 3 CB and will break someone's bank.

The cowboys can't cover anyone so let's hope he goes elsewhere.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- I'd take Bum's son over Rob Ryan so I'm not to bitter about the hire. As for as Nnamdi...he'll be 30 and he's a top 3 CB and will break someone's bank.

The cowboys can't cover anyone so let's hope he goes elsewhere.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope they sign him to a 5-yr contract, and he can only cover for 2 yr.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It's not like the Cowboys or the Giants or the Eagles never had a decent defense, so that ain't nuthin' new..What was worrisome was the pathetic 3-4 Haslett through out there...

Posted by: frak | January 19, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Dies

Ya I hope he doesn't go there too.

The nfc east is reloading and sadly were very low on ammo

We need 2 top tier o lineman

We also need 2 top tier defenders

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to have a defense to get the offense on the field

Problem is, once our offense is on the field it was more offensive than productive

We got a ways to go folks.... n I'm an optimist

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Newton would change the dynamic, sho'nuff..

Posted by: frak | January 19, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Frak

Ya he def would. I think he could be a complete culture change which is why I'm open to bringing him in

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Frak

Ya he def would. I think he could be a complete culture change which is why I'm open to bringing him in

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dies

Ya I hope he doesn't go there too.

The nfc east is reloading and sadly were very low on ammo

We need 2 top tier o lineman

We also need 2 top tier defenders

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:24 PM |

Dies Irae

Dies irae, dies illa
solvet saeclum in favilla:
teste David cum Sibylla.

Quantus tremor est futurus,
quando judex est venturus,
cuncta stricte discussurus!

Tuba mirum spargens sonum
per sepulcra regionum,
coget omnes ante thronum.

Mors stupebit et natura,
cum resurget creatura,
judicanti responsura.

Liber scriptus proferetur,
in quo totum continetur,
unde mundus judicetur.

Judex ergo cum sedebit,
quidquid latet apparebit:
nil inultum remanebit.

Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
Quem patronum rogaturus,
cum vix justus sit securus?

Rex tremendae majestatis,
qui salvandos salvas gratis,
salva me fons pietatis.

Recordare, Jesu pie,
quod sum causa tuae viae:
ne me perdas illa die.

Quaerens me, sedisti lassus:
redemisti Crucem passus:
tantus labor non sit cassus.

Juste judex ultionis,
donum fac remissionis
ante diem rationis.

Ingemisco, tamquam reus:
culpa rubet vultus meus:
supplicanti parce, Deus.

Qui Mariam absolvisti,
et latronem exaudisti,
mihi quoque spem dedisti.

Preces meae non sunt dignae:
sed tu bonus fac benigne,
ne perenni cremer igne.

Inter oves locum praesta,
et ab haedis me sequestra,
statuens in parte dextra.

Confutatis maledictis,
flammis acribus addictis:
voca me cum benedictis.

Oro supplex et acclinis,
cor contritum quasi cinis:
gere curam mei finis.

Lacrimosa dies illa,
qua resurget ex favilla
judicandus homo reus.

Huic ergo parce, Deus:
pie Jesu Domine,
dona eis requiem. Amen.

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like a dead language to liven up the blog.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 19, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SonOfStan | January 19, 2011 10:02 PM |

Dude - a little heavy for us chickens on this here sports blog n'est ce pas?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 19, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

via AP -- "The Oakland Raiders have been given permission to talk to Baltimore assistant Al Saunders to fill their vacant offensive coordinator job."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 5:47 PM
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If true, it suks for JC.. Saunders was not a JC fan. His first choice was Todd Collins with the much quicker release suited for a Saunder's slant WC Offense.
If Saunders is hired, watch for a new QB competition in Oakland (no, not the retired TC but, a tbd qb).

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 19, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

The nfc east is reloading and sadly were very low on ammo

We need 2 top tier o lineman

We also need 2 top tier defenders

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 9:24 PM |

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Skins need a blockbuster trade that jettisons players of current high value but, not part of the long term plan.. (ie the DHalls, Cooleys, etc.)..Veterans in their prime NOW who could deliver high picks for quality Oline or DLine and help accelerate the rebuilding process.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 19, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like a dead language to liven up the blog.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 19, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

roflol

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

If true, it suks for JC.. Saunders was not a JC fan. His first choice was Todd Collins with the much quicker release suited for a Saunder's slant WC Offense.
If Saunders is hired, watch for a new QB competition in Oakland (no, not the retired TC but, a tbd qb).

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 19, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You're right, onany. JC just might come available, again, Skinzfanz!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

via AP -- "The Oakland Raiders have been given permission to talk to Baltimore assistant Al Saunders to fill their vacant offensive coordinator job."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 5:47 PM

This don't make no sense. Undead Al brung Jack to Oak to mentor Camp and now Jack is talking about interviewing a dude for OC that essentially gave Camp the hives in DC. The only thing that I can figure is that Jack is doing this because of the Looney Rule - black HCs have to interview old white guys for any coordinator position they are trying to fill.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 19, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Anygivensunday

I agree, here's my list of possible tradees

Dmac

Dhall

Hayny

Cooley/davis

Rogers n rockymac should be left to walk wherever else will take them

Carter

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Anygivensunday

I agree, here's my list of possible tradees

Dmac

Dhall

Hayny

Cooley/davis

Rogers n rockymac should be left to walk wherever else will take them

Carter

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Skins need a blockbuster trade that jettisons players of current high value but, not part of the long term plan.. (ie the DHalls, Cooleys, etc.)..Veterans in their prime NOW who could deliver high picks for quality Oline or DLine and help accelerate the rebuilding process.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 19, 2011 10:36 PM |

The prob with that thinking is the phrase "high value". The only Skins players to which that phrase applies are the young ones like Landry and Orakpo that you want keep as a nucleus to build on for the future.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 19, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 19, 2011 10:57 PM |

Dude - ain't no GM that would give you jack for them duds.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 19, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Jimbo

We got a 7th rnd pick for justin tryon.....

Surely you think one of those guys are better than him??

If not were in more trouble than anyone thinks

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 20, 2011 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Jimbo

We got a 7th rnd pick for justin tryon.....

Surely you think one of those guys are better than him??

If not were in more trouble than anyone thinks

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 20, 2011 1:09 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: peggymesta | January 20, 2011 3:52 AM | Report abuse

Joke of the Day...in response to the news that Anne Hathaway will play Catwoman in the new Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises", the following line was uttered: "Oh yeah...your dark knight will rise alright!" LOL!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article, and as much as I hate to say this because I think Carlos is a good corner and we could use him, I'm inclined to agree. I love how the writer has nicknames him "The Eternal Victim."

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/01/carlos-rogers-and-bruce-allen-prove-redskins-can-t-even-win-the-offseason-anymore-46009.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2011 8:15 PM

Good stuff, scamp...I'm inclined to agree with Daly on that article. It's time to move on from CR...dude is totally delusional about where he places in the pecking order of NFL CBs and his instistence that picks don't matter is borderline retarded. His ridiculous sense of entitlement is a banner example of what needs to get gone from Redskins Park.

If Patrick Peterson falls to 10th (which I doubt), I'd make that pick with a quickness. The chatter is that he's like a young Champ Bailey...which is a better option than overpaying for the 33 year-old actual Champ Bailey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 5:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd make that pick with a quickness. The chatter is that he's like a young Champ Bailey...which is a better option than overpaying for the 33 year-old actual Champ Bailey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 5:43 AM

Speaking of which, whatever happened with his younger brother, Boss Bailey? Or their youngest brother, Principal Deputy Executive Vice President Bailey?

Posted by: dcsween | January 20, 2011 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Haha, sween...last I heard, they were together in Denver but that was a couple years ago. Boss was a decent player but he got hurt a lot from what I recall.

And I think you overthought the other Bailey brother...you have to keep in line with names that people call you when they don't know your name...like Champ, Boss, Hoss, Chief, Brochacho, etc.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 7:11 AM | Report abuse

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/01/carlos-rogers-and-bruce-allen-prove-redskins-can-t-even-win-the-offseason-anymore-46009.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2011 8:15 PM


Yeah, nice article. Pretty much parrots what I've been saying for a year and a half.

I'm sure it won't stop the clown-brigade up here from asserting that Los is god's gift to the cornerback position.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Right pfunk...gotta love how there's such a sizeable segment of fans on RI that make excuses for 'Los being a mediocre CB yet couldn't get mediocre QB Jason Campbell out of town fast enough. Just boggles the mind, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Possible trade?

Raiders' fans who are friends at work throw out Fred Davis as someone they'd like to add to their offense.

Fred Davis to the raiders?

Zach Miller and Fred Davis?

Nawwwwwww..........

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 20, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Just skimming over the previous posts and throwing out the following:

-Haynesworth to Eagles because their new defensive coordinator coached Haynesworth in Tennessee? That would be fair revenge for McNabb, I think. The icing on the cake would be getting similar compensation for Haynesworth... or Kolb.

-Just say no to Cam Newton. The guy is a project at the very least and quite a risk. For the same risk, Washington could take a QB much later in the draft.

-Vince Young? I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Any football player that is that fragile mentally can not be counted on.

-Rob Ryan in Dallas? Hey, that is a good thing. Though they might be twins, this guy is no Rex Ryan. He's had good but not great defenses in his career and I don't expect anything to change here. If anything, his presence in Dallas suggests the Redskins need a strong armed QB to take advantage of the man coverage by throwing it deep.

-Al Saunders to Raiders-land? Love it. Let them be confused about the playbook for the next two years and slowly piss away their playoff hopes. Hue Jackson has to be smarter than that. He'd be better off finding someone who fell from the Norv Turner coaching tree - like Hue himself.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

About that Daly article...interesting read and I mostly agree, except for two points.

He says "I mean, come on, we’re not talking about Deion Sanders here; it’s not as if teams are avoiding his side of the field." Well, they aren't avoiding him like he's one of the greatest cover corners in NFL history...but, it seems to me that most teams come into games against the Redskins planning to go after Hall...and seem to stay away from Carlos. Remember Cutler saying after the game that he'd target Hall again next time they play? That's probably half Cutler being his jackhole self and half born of his and Martz' pre-game film study indicating that DHall is more vulnerable than Carlos. I do agree with his larger point that 8 INTs in six seasons is unacceptable.

Secondly, Daly whining about Bruce Allen not being more forthcoming is totally from a journalist's viewpoint. As a fan, I don't want him talking about thier plans any more than he did. His assertion that the Redskins are off to a bad off-season becasue of these two factors...seems like a strange assessment. I want different results...so a new approach seems like a good idea.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Zach Miller and Fred Davis?

Nawwwwwww..........

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 20, 2011 8:12 AM


Moe, I think the idea surrounding that is that Zach Miller could leave Oakland if there's no franchise tag to use. So getting an athletic (and local) replacement would be desirable to the Raiders...especially when you consider Al Davis's obsession with speed...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article, and as much as I hate to say this because I think Carlos is a good corner and we could use him, I'm inclined to agree. I love how the writer has nicknames him "The Eternal Victim."

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/01/carlos-rogers-and-bruce-allen-prove-redskins-can-t-even-win-the-offseason-anymore-46009.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2011 8:15 PM


Good stuff, scamp...I'm inclined to agree with Daly on that article. It's time to move on from CR...dude is totally delusional about where he places in the pecking order of NFL CBs and his instistence that picks don't matter is borderline retarded. His ridiculous sense of entitlement is a banner example of what needs to get gone from Redskins Park.

If Patrick Peterson falls to 10th (which I doubt), I'd make that pick with a quickness. The chatter is that he's like a young Champ Bailey...which is a better option than overpaying for the 33 year-old actual Champ Bailey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 5:43 AM
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Thanks for the article Scamp. I'm not in the "run CR out of town" group. I think he fits this defense and could be a contributor. Would like more picks, but that is not all he brings to the table. I do have concerns about his recent injury history. If the Redskins have an opportunity to get their hands on someone younger with better hands, then maybe they let CR walk, but until they do that, they really need to consider re-signing CR.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

trade fred davis = short selling

re-signing carlos, only if the contract is performance based with the MAJORITY of it based on the number of interceptions...

trade AH to philly...no thanks, not unless they offer a 2nd...

Newton, no, almost as much no as Vince Young...VY is like a 12 year old girl, same maturity level...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the team trade their 1st round pick and move down to a lower first while picking up a second and maybe a 4th. THEN, trade that lower first rounder and pick up 2 more picks. Take no one under 300+lbs. to play on either the O or D line. If they take someone other than a lineman, dude better run a sub 4.4 or 4.3/40.

Now, all that said, there's literally no way that will happen because it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 20, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

NNNNNEEEEEERRRRRRDDDDDD!!!!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Los will be 30 next year and a change of scenery will do both him and the Redskins some good. He was a poor selection @ #9 with Ware and Merriman on the board but he was a pretty good player while here.

p1funk- not sure anyone has ever said that he's God's gift to CBs, only that he's the best of two average ones we have. It wasn't Los that gave up the 2nd most YDs in the league for CB like your boy did.

BTW...Since DHall won't send Cutler a THANK YOU card for his pro bowl nod...maybe you should.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'd be open to keeping CR too, but only if A) he's willing to give the Skins a hometown discount and B) if he's here as a nickle CB and not being relied upon to be the top CB. This dude is delusional when it comes to his belief of how good he is, so I think both scenarios are highly unlikely.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

cnewton - no
crogers - no
ah - no
vyoung - no
fdavis - trade

article about crogers AND allen. allen knows numbers, otherwise he doesn't know football talent.

mcnabb, c'mon ?

Posted by: hessone | January 20, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

greg, unless 'Los has McNabbs agent he is not signing a contract based on INTs.

CR will walk and drop INTs for some other team next football season.

Since we like to follow former Skins players:

Gus Frerotte named football coach at John Burroughs

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/football/article_975a25c4-2419-11e0-aad1-0017a4a78c22.html

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 20, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

trade fred davis = short selling

re-signing carlos, only if the contract is performance based with the MAJORITY of it based on the number of interceptions...

trade AH to philly...no thanks, not unless they offer a 2nd...

Newton, no, almost as much no as Vince Young...VY is like a 12 year old girl, same maturity level...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 8:48 AM
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I think CR would be an absolute idiot for signing a contract with incentives based on interceptions. Now, if they based it on passes deflected or something like that it would be more viable but a corner cannot control the number of balls thrown his way. If it could just be based on playing every game I think I would be happy enough. Again, I'm saying they should only re-sign him if it doesn't look like they can get a younger guy in free agency that is at roughly the same skill level (but can hold onto the ball).

I think trading AH to Philly would be fair revenge. Let them deal with his crappy attitude. Cannot see the Redskins getting a second rounder, though. Teams know Haynesworth is done in Redskins land so they won't be inclidn ed to give up much.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I'd be open to keeping CR too, but only if A) he's willing to give the Skins a hometown discount and B) if he's here as a nickle CB and not being relied upon to be the top CB. This dude is delusional when it comes to his belief of how good he is, so I think both scenarios are highly unlikely.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 9:00 AM
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Nickel CB? Who do you have starting? Barnes? Westbrook? I'm sure you are thinking they will nail down a free agent that can start. I hope they do that, but if they do, I think that makes CR superfluous. God, I really hope the Redskins can get some quality free agents in, or this team is going to be all duct tape and baling wire in 2011...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Nickel CB? Who do you have starting? Barnes? Westbrook? I'm sure you are thinking they will nail down a free agent that can start. I hope they do that, but if they do, I think that makes CR superfluous. God, I really hope the Redskins can get some quality free agents in, or this team is going to be all duct tape and baling wire in 2011...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 9:11 AM


I'm under the assumption we'll get an upgrade, either in FA or the draft. I have a hard time believing the Skins sit on the sidelines when guys like Champ Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha are available to the highest bidder. Right or wrong, responsible spending or not, I seriously doubt this FA period ends without the Skins picking up one of those two players.

And "superfluous"? You just used that word on RI? Know your audience..."it" and "the" need to be the longest words you use up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

re-signing carlos, only if the contract is performance based with the MAJORITY of it based on the number of interceptions...


Great idea. That will give us two route jumping, risk taking, assignment blowing corners.

Posted by: mack1 | January 20, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Of course, turnovers are important, but it seems to me that a CB's primary job is to see to it that his guy doesn't catch the ball, and CR22 did that pretty well last season. I would pay him commensurate with what other veteran starting CBs are making, but I wouldn't break the bank to bring him back.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 20, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

^21^

Albert will always be trash. Someday, soon enough, he'll also be bankrupt. That's what happens to guys who sleep on the job -- on national TV.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins made him trash and please don't hold your breath waiting on him to be broke. The man is 100x smarter than you and Shanahan think. LOL

Oh yeah, I heard Albert won his suit and the Redskins have to pay him for those 4 games. LMAO

I also heard Albert's case with the stripper was dropped. I guess AL wins again. SUCKAS

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 20, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Nickel CB? Who do you have starting? Barnes? Westbrook? I'm sure you are thinking they will nail down a free agent that can start. I hope they do that, but if they do, I think that makes CR superfluous. God, I really hope the Redskins can get some quality free agents in, or this team is going to be all duct tape and baling wire in 2011...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 9:11 AM


I'm under the assumption we'll get an upgrade, either in FA or the draft. I have a hard time believing the Skins sit on the sidelines when guys like Champ Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha are available to the highest bidder. Right or wrong, responsible spending or not, I seriously doubt this FA period ends without the Skins picking up one of those two players.

And "superfluous"? You just used that word on RI? Know your audience..."it" and "the" need to be the longest words you use up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 9:18 AM
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I also wish I had confidence in Shanahan's willingness to listen to the scouting organization. I think Morocco Brown can identify quality players, but Shanny needs to listen.

Man, I wish this CBA was a done deal. I am not as confident as I was a month ago that this will work. Goodell met with the union boss yesterday, but I don't think any progress was made.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

RSH, from what I've read, the CBA doesn't need to be done for FA and the draft to happen. It's just a matter of being able to run OTAs and training camp and what not. Hopefully something gets done, but it looks like we'll be entertained either way.

Besides...as Skins fans, we should be ROOTING for a strike/lockout since two of our three SBs were won in strike-shortened seasons!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The owners and players BOTH want to make money, they'll get a deal done and there will be a 2011 regular season, you can count on it.

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

^21^

Albert will always be trash. Someday, soon enough, he'll also be bankrupt. That's what happens to guys who sleep on the job -- on national TV.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins made him trash and please don't hold your breath waiting on him to be broke. The man is 100x smarter than you and Shanahan think. LOL

Oh yeah, I heard Albert won his suit and the Redskins have to pay him for those 4 games. LMAO

I also heard Albert's case with the stripper was dropped. I guess AL wins again. SUCKAS

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 20, 2011 9:49 AM |

The 'Skins didn't make him trash - they made him rich. What you're either ignorant of or just not willing to admit is that at 12:01 a.m. the opening night of free agency when the 'Skins offered him $100-mil, he basically retired.

The dude is a bum and he doesn't even want to play. Put a fork in him...he's done.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 20, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,
I pulled this off the internet. Apparently ther is no free agency during a lockout and even though teams can draft players, they cannot sign them to contracts until the lockout is over.

Q: What happens to teams during a lockout?

A: Their TV money is guaranteed, but they can do nothing that involves players. No offseason workouts, no team meetings, no player trades, no signings of NFL free agents or draft picks, no training camp and - if the lockout lasts into September - no games.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/18/SPU41HACQM.DTL#ixzz1BaYI35rG

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The owners and players BOTH want to make money, they'll get a deal done and there will be a 2011 regular season, you can count on it.

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:09 AM
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I think they can put a band aid on it by agreeing to play under the same terms they had last year with some form of interim contract. I've heard if the union decertifies - a dramatic move to avoid a lockout - then this could happen as a temporary agreement between players and teams. We're getting close enough to the deadline and both sides are so far apart that I think the best we can hope for is basically an extension of last year's terms.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

p1funk- not sure anyone has ever said that he's God's gift to CBs, only that he's the best of two average ones we have. It wasn't Los that gave up the 2nd most YDs in the league for CB like your boy did.

BTW...Since DHall won't send Cutler a THANK YOU card for his pro bowl nod...maybe you should.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse


People talk about how Los is a cover corner in the mold of Darrell Green and Nnamdi Asamoughao - doesn't get alot of turnovers, but shuts down the receiver.

Really??? Are you frickin kidding me??

So Darrell Green, Carlos Rogers and Nnamdi Asamghoa...that's the discussion, eh?

How we forget that Los's other nickname (besides "Stone Hands") is "Double Move".

How we forget that the dude's been benched twice b/c he habitually got burned for long TDs.

But yeah now that he's on the cusp of being 30 years old, it looks like he finally figured out how to not get burned by the same stop-n-go route all the time - whoopdeedooo...shut-down cover corner, baby...just like Green.

Last year I posted stats showing that DHall was among the elite cover corners in the league. He had a "QB rating against" that was 4th in the NFL among CBs who played 50% or more of their team's defensive snaps.

But it didn't matter. Haters ripped the guy b/c he wasn't getting turnovers "as advertised" and he wasn't making tackles and he wasn't "physical".

This year he had some bad games in coverage; but he came up with 8 turnovers, 2 defensive TDs and is among the NFL leaders in tackles for a DB (not just CBs, mind you, but safeties as well).

But it doesn't matter, because folks just focus on other things to rip.


Whatever. I tire of this discussion. It's pointless b/c it's clear that folks who rip Hall as frequently as they do have other reasons to rip him. Maybe they didn't like his attitude when he hit the league. Maybe they don't like the fact that he makes $50 mill. Maybe he pulled a "Seabass" and haulked a lugie in their burger at Applebee's, and they were to pu$$ to do something about it so they come up here and rip him anonymously.

I'm glad we have Hall. Are we overpaying him? Yes. But that's what happens with cornerbacks that have big play-making ability. He's shown between this year and last year that he's got all the tools and ability to be an good cover guy, a solid tackler, and a big playmaker. He's got enough prime years ahead of him to put it altogether.

And - unlike Carlos Rogers - he's not constantly making excuses for what he can't do.


Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

^21^

Albert will always be trash. Someday, soon enough, he'll also be bankrupt. That's what happens to guys who sleep on the job -- on national TV.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins made him trash and please don't hold your breath waiting on him to be broke. The man is 100x smarter than you and Shanahan think. LOL

Oh yeah, I heard Albert won his suit and the Redskins have to pay him for those 4 games. LMAO

I also heard Albert's case with the stripper was dropped. I guess AL wins again. SUCKAS

Posted by: COLUMBIASKINS | January 20, 2011 9:49 AM
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Columbia, the appeal of the suspension is still ongoing and the stripper didn't drop her case - it was dismissed because she filed in New York where the court had no jurisdiction. She could still very well file a case in Maryland where the team is based. And Haynesworth is an idiot. If he didn't want to play in the 3-4 he should have gotten that wording in his contract. He didn't and he is refusing to play in it. This doesn't make him smart - only stubborn and stupid, because he's ruining his chance of getting a fatter salary with another team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Besides...as Skins fans, we should be ROOTING for a strike/lockout since two of our three SBs were won in strike-shortened seasons!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 10:04 AM

Interesting sidenote to the 87 season...

All the other 4 NFC East teams finished below .500

Also we dodged playing arguably the best team in the NFL that year in the NFC Championship on the road, the 49ers got knocked off the week before.

A little luck doesn't hurt.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The owners and players BOTH want to make money, they'll get a deal done and there will be a 2011 regular season, you can count on it.

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:09 AM
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The owners will make money if they don't play because the television contract guarantees them payment.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

p1, co-friggin-sign...

just realized that there could be a perfect clusterflop of strikes next year, with the NFL, and the NBA possibly going out on strike....

that would make for an awfully dull fall, sports wise that is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

that would make for an awfully dull fall, sports wise that is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM

That doesn't sound like a Sawx fan who is expecting some (very) early November Fenway action.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does it seem that whenever the Skins sign a TALENTED experienced interior D-lineman to a lucrative contract they NEVER perform? Stubblefield, Wilkinson, Haynesworth - need I say more. Not sure if it's the nature of the position and the toll it takes on the players, but it seems like whenever top interior D-linemen sign a fat contract they half-ass it for the remainder of their careers. Not so true for DE's, or skill positions. My point is, we need to look at young guys through the draft for interior D-line talent, guys who are hungry and want to prove themselves.

Posted by: skinsfan11 | January 20, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Your NERD ratio just went up, I want to see little more schtick from you! Come on, set a good example for the new recruits!

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

and the NBA possibly going out on strike....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM

What's the NBA?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Your NERD ratio just went up, I want to see little more schtick from you! Come on, set a good example for the new recruits!

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:39 AM

Whooops sorry...thought this was Schtick-Free Thursday...my calender is all f'ed up...so today is Haiku Thursday, right?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does it seem that whenever the Skins sign a TALENTED experienced interior D-lineman to a lucrative contract they NEVER perform?

Posted by: skinsfan11 | January 20, 2011 10:38 AM

Now that you mention it, it is a pretty dismal record. We've had a little success at DE...but on the interior we've mostly come up short with free agents. At least we got two first-rounders for Sean Gilbert

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1

that would make for an awfully dull fall, sports wise that is....

Dull Fall?

Take a sheet of paper and write, "Sawx v. Phillies in October".

Fold the paper and place it into an envelope.

Seal the envelope.

Take a sharpie and write, "Don't open until the World Series starts during the football and basketball strike" on the outside of the envelope.

Place the envelope in a nice, dry place for safe keeping--this means away from mrsbeantown.

Trust me, if the Sawx and Phils are in the series, there will be plenty of excitement.

At least there should be for you.

But not me.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 20, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

p1funk- I stopped reading after you said I put Los in DG's and NA's company and then you called DHall elite. Glanced at the part where you Los was benched twice but failed to mention that DHall is on his THIRD team. You're embarrassing yourself.

DHall is targeted more than a drunk chick at The Vous and the reason is because his man is open...that's why he gave up the 2nd most YDs in the league this YR and gave up more TDs than had INTs.

Seriously though- instead of watching DHall play with your pants down by your ankles, try watching him objectively.

Now send your Thank You card to Cutler.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

But it doesn't matter, because folks just focus on other things to rip.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 10:24 AM


I came to this realization the last time we had a wave of DHall hate...nobody props the guy up as Deion 2.0, but he ain't a bum either. It just baffles me that the same folks that pledge undying love for the likes of DT, Marko Mitchell and Colt Brennan can then turn around and rip a guy who had 6 picks and 2 TDs for a team that couldn't get those numbers AS A TEAM before he showed up. UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

mcole, I'm excited for the sox, but no football or basketball...that might be tough to take...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though- instead of watching DHall play with your pants down by your ankles, try watching him objectively.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 10:50 AM

That sounds like an uncomfortable 3-1/2 hours..and a good way to get kicked out of a sports bar.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

DHall "a big playmaker."

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 10:24 AM

For which team?

I dont have time and barely care.. but, it would be interesting to see the "score" of his coverage gambles and poor tackling (ie. games won on INTs vs games lost on INT gambles and crap tackling skills).
If Skins stay the 3-4 he should be traded for a decent pick. His liabilities in a 3-4 considerably negate his INT successes.

Just ask Rex Footie Ryan..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 20, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

That sounds like an uncomfortable 3-1/2 hours..and a good way to get kicked out of a sports bar!

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 10:55 AM

Fixed it for ya

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The owners and players BOTH want to make money, they'll get a deal done and there will be a 2011 regular season, you can count on it.

Posted by: monk811 | January 20, 2011 10:09 AM
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The owners will make money if they don't play because the television contract guarantees them payment.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 10:32 AM
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I read somewhere that this new head of the players' union has aspirations beyond the NFL. He's a prototypical union boss who is looking to improve his image by adding "got the best of the NFL owners in contract negotiations" to his resume. He's new, also, so the owners are going to take a stand hoping he loses his resolution. The more I read about it, the less I like. I think this one will get ugly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Seriously though- instead of watching DHall play with your pants down by your ankles, try watching him objectively.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 10:50 AM

That sounds like an uncomfortable 3-1/2 hours..and a good way to get kicked out of a sports bar.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 10:55 AM
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It would be worse in the prison system.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

He's a prototypical union boss who is looking to improve his image by adding "got the best of the NFL owners in contract negotiations" to his resume.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:03 AM

Perhaps the players will turn on him if they don't believe he's acting in their best interest...well hopefully anyway.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Show Interest in QB Jerrod Johnson at East/West Shrine Game Practices
by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 20, 2011 9:02 AM EST in Redskins Analysis


Alfie Crow, the lead editor for SB Nation's Jaguars website, Big Cat Country, has been attending all the practices for the East West Shrine game in Orlando, FL, this week. Crow sent an email to all the SBN bloggers listing all the teams and their interests, and I noticed the Redskins were not paired with any names. No joke. This is how the email chain went.

Me: I know the Redskins are there. Are we in stealth mode??

Crow: Saw the Skins talking to Jerrod Johnson, QB from TAMU... who's been awful. Most of the Skins scouts were old guys hobbling around. Kid you not.

Steelers blogger: haha, thats funny. I believe it. There's a reason the skins are miserable and it probably has a lot to do with scouting.

I mean. Come on, Redskins. Anyway, let's talk about Johnson. He's 6'5" - 245 lbs and was a Heisman hopeful after his red-hot 2009 season where he led:

Texas A&M to the Big 12 #1 offense
Texas A&M 3rd in total offense in the Nation
Johnson's 3579 passing yards was 8th best in the Nation
Set Big 12 record throwing 242 passes without an INT (60% completion percentage)
Then disaster hit:

Johnson, who underwent arthroscopic surgery on his throwing shoulder in the off-season, began the season as a Heisman Trophy candidate.But he struggled at times with his accuracy and seemed to have less zip on his passes than in previous seasons.

He threw nine interceptions in a three-week stretch that led to his demotion. Johnson conceded Monday that coming back from the surgery was "a little bit" harder than he anticipated but he did not regret the decision to have it.
Johnson's three losses this season were to big names schools: Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma State. The teams he beat were small name schools. After his benching, the Aggies, led by QB Ryan Tannehill, went on to win out beating Texas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I haven't watched a lot of Johnson, but his highlight reel, which is by no means a way to judge a QB, shows a lot of bootlegs, play-action and throws on the run. McNabb, Cutler, Plummer anyone?

Jerrod Johnson is currently slated to be drafted in rounds 5-7.

East West Shrine game is this Saturday at 4pm at the Citrus Bowl (NFL Network).

Oh, and if that mention of our scouting team didn't discourage you, then how about this tweet from Rich Tandler:

The last player that the #Redskins drafted after the third round to make a Pro Bowl was Stephen Davis (4th round, 1996).

NINETEEN F*CKIN NINETY SIX??? (I just repeated that in my Principal Ed Rooney "Nine Times?" voice)

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/20/1945915/redskins-show-interest-in-qb-jerrod-johnson-at-east-west-shrine-game

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 20, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

bw26- same people? WTF are you talking about. Beantown loves DT and thinks he's dreamy and you have weird obsession with Stokely Marlo was cut by a Canadian football team and Colt is unemployed.

I've never been in any of those camps except the one where they're more than a casual observer of foosball. But, Since we're making blanket statements here...it's UFB how stupid the comments come from the keystone state.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/01/carlos-rogers-and-bruce-allen-prove-redskins-can-t-even-win-the-offseason-anymore-46009.html

Wow...Just Wow...

Dan Daly just SMACKED CR22 upside with a sledge hammer, and the blog allows it. Not one decent human being will stand up for Carlos Rodgers....Where is Learned Hand when you need him....lol

I agree with Daly, don't resign 'los'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

and the NBA possibly going out on strike....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 10:34 AM

What's the NBA?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse


NBA = WNBA

Nobody's interested in watching it.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 20, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

kerzon417,
Thanks for the post. Wow. Didn't think the scouting organization was that bad. Sounds like Allen needs to hit the reset button on the scouting organization, too. This quarterback they were looking at seems to be a reach, and can't for the life of me understand why they weren't looking at darned near every player on the field because their needs are immense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

It would be worse in the prison system.

prisoner 1: What we have here is a failure to communicate.

prisoner 2: That's why talking while you're tossing my salad is a bad time for you to explain your hatred of homosexuality...

...and hair in your food.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 20, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

He's a prototypical union boss who is looking to improve his image by adding "got the best of the NFL owners in contract negotiations" to his resume.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:03 AM

Perhaps the players will turn on him if they don't believe he's acting in their best interest...well hopefully anyway.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
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I think they would be in it up to their necks by the time they realized he wasn't acting in their best interests. He's so new in the job they will give him the benefit of the doubt for awhile. Players used to say Upshaw was the owners' puppet but I think he had been in the job long enough that he and the owners could understand where each was coming from. In retrospect, Upshaw got the best of the owners in the last CBA. He's a tough act to follow.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

...and hair in your food.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 20, 2011 11:29 AM

That's a night in the box for you moe.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, let me ask you this: what's your take on Brett Favre? GOAT or overrated prima donna whose numbers are inflated by longevity?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Crow: Saw the Skins talking to Jerrod Johnson, QB from TAMU... who's been awful. Most of the Skins scouts were old guys hobbling around. Kid you not.

I'm sure Alfie Crow is a genius and all...(you don't get to be lead editor of "Big Cat Country" otherwise) but old guys often hobble circles around their younger competition. He never considered that Redskins scouts may have reasons to talk to Johnson other than "he's our next franchise qb"?
Anyway, not sweating a Jaguar blogger's cursory assessment of our scouting department...especially such a superficial one.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I think they would be in it up to their necks by the time they realized he wasn't acting in their best interests.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 11:36 AM

We should have a talk with them...and tell them...before its too late.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

p1funk- I stopped reading after you said I put Los in DG's and NA's company and then you called DHall elite. Glanced at the part where you Los was benched twice but failed to mention that DHall is on his THIRD team. You're embarrassing yourself.

DHall is targeted more than a drunk chick at The Vous and the reason is because his man is open...that's why he gave up the 2nd most YDs in the league this YR and gave up more TDs than had INTs.

Seriously though- instead of watching DHall play with your pants down by your ankles, try watching him objectively.

Now send your Thank You card to Cutler.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse


Well you stopped reading for the wrong reasons.

I was responding to your post, but addressing the Carlos-fluffing population at large, and recalling some of the things that have been posted - not by you, I understand.

Seriously, though - 3rd team?

He played out his contract in Atlanta (where he made 2 Pro Bowls) and chased money to Oakland. It's not like he got cut and run out of town and was left begging for a chance somewhere a-la T.O.

He had a horrific 8 game stretch in Oakland (not the first player to see his career tank on that team, mind you), and he openly talks about all the personal and professional mistakes that he made with that decision - but it seems like all the DHall-haters take those 8 games and hold it up as the definitive example of his 7 year career.

BTW - an "objective" pool of fans, players and coaches thought he should go to the Pro Bowl this year.

But whatever...

On to the next topic - Let's talk about how one-dimensional Orakpo is and how undeserving of a Pro Bowl berth he is!

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Crow: Saw the Skins talking to Jerrod Johnson, QB from TAMU... who's been awful. Most of the Skins scouts were old guys hobbling around. Kid you not.

I'm sure Alfie Crow is a genius and all...(you don't get to be lead editor of "Big Cat Country" otherwise) but old guys often hobble circles around their younger competition. He never considered that Redskins scouts may have reasons to talk to Johnson other than "he's our next franchise qb"?
Anyway, not sweating a Jaguar blogger's cursory assessment of our scouting department...especially such a superficial one.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 11:45 AM

I could be wrong but I think we beat Jacksonville with Rex grossman at QB this guy is a D-bag.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I see Diesel is the same as he ever was:


Hate, hate, hates DeAngelo Hall... for reasons only known to him. The guy isn't Revis, but he ain't Ahmad Carroll (look him up) either, yet you still take your time to tear apart someone's comment that offers the slightest praise for Hall. What is it really? Did he go Jan Cavanaugh on you? Vincent Shenocca (look him up too)?


Take a bow for your consistency if nothing else. I'd at least give you that one.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 20, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

So do players that elect to play in the Superbowl over the Probowl still get credit for being a Probowler that year?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Just ask Rex Footie Ryan..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 20, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Thanks.

Nice clip of DHall tackling LaDanian Tomlinson and Rex Ryan wetting his pants over it .

I remember that game.

Hall had an INT.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

bw26- not a fan. Enjoyed watching with the Pack but his act tired quickly. Not sure what category you'll put me in with that but there you go.

My top 5
Montana
Elway
Brady
Manning
Farve

Too young to have seen anyone pre 80's. I'm sure Sammy Baugh was pretty, pretty good. beep-beep was in his 30's when he played he'd probably have a better handle on those that wore leather helmets.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep was in his 30's when he played he'd probably have a better handle on those that wore leather helmets.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM

Not true...beep-beep has a wiki entry...and if it's correct wasn't born until 1934.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

That article doesn't really bother me. They are obviously looking at the guy for a 5th-7th round pick. If the guy just got a little inaccurate due to the shoulder surgery then he may be alright in another year or so. It makes sense to at least check him out.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

p1- he WAS cut from Oakland. Orakpo had 9 sacks while playing with no front 3, no bookend OLB, and being held 3-5x per game. He deserved to be an alternate much like LFB did last YR.

Red- I'm consistent because I'm right. DHall is a playmaker that was torched this YR and is in the pro bowl because of Cutler. Tramon Williams (look him up) deserved to go in his place. Hate no, truth yes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

CR22 should be gone. Closing in on 30, not getting any better, not going to suddenly learn how to catch. In typical fashion, the Skins hang on to marginal talent too long and give up on rising talent.

The team is sleeping on Kevin Barnes as a starting DB. KB has size, speed and plays with violence. He obviously will be gone through free agency only to develop into a premier talent on a team with an actual plan (see also Clark, Ryan; Pierce, Antonio).

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 20, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow Diesel...I wouldn't put Favre in my top 5, but that wasn't really where I was going with the question.

I was curious to see if you'd fault Favre for the massive amount of picks and boneheaded plays he's made over the course of his career. If the fact that he's ended more seasons with backbreaking, game-ending INTs than SB wins would cost him in the all-time rankings to you. If the fact that he has more seasons with a negative TD/INT ratio than MVP seasons would mean he needs to send 'thank you' cards to Holmgren and Chilly for co-signing his circus act.

I'm not saying DHall is as good as Favre, but their rap sheets read pretty similarly...you get the huge impact plays and the "WOW!" moments, but you get just as many idiotic "WTF???" plays as well. You take the good with the bad, you shrug your shoulders, and at the end of the day you're pretty happy you have him.

Seems to me you have some other bias that has nothing to do with football if you don't beat Favre down for the prima donna act and the pick 6s, yet kill DHall for the CB equivolent of the same damn thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

IMO Sammy Baugh was the greatest football player ever. There are plenty of stats and opinions out there to support the contention.

The fact that he wasn't top 5 on the Greatest 100 bs was an insult and a travesty.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he wasn't top 5 on the Greatest 100 bs was an insult and a travesty.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 12:16 PM


Easy co-sign. 100% agree.

Dude played so long ago that nobody who saw him play is around to tell the tales of his greatness. And I doubt there's the access to games back then like there is for games now. So sadly, this is probably the beginning of Slingin' Sammy being drastically underrated.

I'd put him over Favre in a heartbeat. In fact, I'm not sure I'd put Favre anywhere higher than 8th if I had to rank the top 10 QBs of all time...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

And for all his cap bending prowess, this guy does know that stats & numbers are just that, right?

Past performance is not an indicator of future returns, or something like that.

I'm thinking we need to look for the right physical type and then check his head. I think the less miles on the chassis, the better.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

On to the next topic - Let's talk about how one-dimensional Orakpo is and how undeserving of a Pro Bowl berth he is!


Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2011 11:50 AM

Are you being serious?

Someone else in this group of Malconetents actually believe this too!

There is life on RI! I repeat....There is LIFE ON R.I.!!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

bw26- not your best analogy. I'm not a Farve fan and besides 2009 his post GB career is laughable. Much like DHall being in the pro bowl this YR. Yes DHall is a gambler and that resulted in 8 TOs but it also resulted in the 2nd most YDs allowed by a CB in the league and numerous TDs allowed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

as for the endless, is DHall good or bad -- the answer is yes to both. No question he gets beat a bunch AND that he's a marginal tackler (better this season).

Also no question that he was the difference maker in 2 wins, vs dallas in the opener where he created and scored our TD and vs Chi, where he picked Cutler 4 times including a long return on a pick 6.

A defense that is pretty solid all around can take greater advantage of DHall. A QB that has to worry about pressure, who is less likely to find that second receiver, who has hands in his face, etc, is more likely to have problems throwing at Hall.

In 2010, our defense didn't fool anyone not named Jay Cutler. If that changes for the better, Hall becomes a bigger weapon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

One dimensional linebacker? Yes. Of course. wtSJK? What would you expect. He's not a linebacker, he's a pass rusher.

He's an f'n awesome pass rusher. That man was held on every rush this year. He deserves the pro bowl for that alone, almost.

I don't know if he'll work here. He may have to be trade fodder. I'm not against it. I bet we could get some good stuff for him!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@Diesel - DHall was diredtly responsible for winning 2 games. Thats what Shanny wanted in his defense and Haslett as well.

You go to the PB based on certain stats, and his stats compare. He was a top INT guy and tops in tackling amongst CBs in the league.....

Where is the problem?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

not that the haters want to hear this, but ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23602/flawless-no-but-campbell-did-improve

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM

So JC was the fifth best QB in the NFL over the final one-third of the season? Geez, reading comments on this board, I woulda thought he was the fifth worst! Where's Flounder21?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I have NO problem with ANY Redskin being in the Pro Bowl. They SJK'n deserve it.

D'Hall has his shortcomings, admittedly. But he's a strong weapon in the right hands.

He's no Darryl Green. Who is.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

PAss rush. That was all. Yes, he got held on far too many that weren't called....

but as a player, he was a liability in the running defense and pass coverage.....but I hope he improves in year 3.....cuz he sure didn't in year 2.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The problem is the number of yards given up in the process of said tackles, and TDs given up in hopes of catching the ball. To be a good corner your awesome plays for your team have to outweigh the awesome plays you allow/cause for the other team. I believe both of our CBs are similar in that ratio, and just have different attributes. I don't see why we couldn't keep CR for a reasonable contract, that isn't lowballed because of his low # of INTs. Revis I believe has ZERO INTs this year because he was hardly targeted. Not saying CR is anywhere near Revis, but that INTs alone don't tell the whole story. Out of our 2 CBs, QBs go after Hall, not CR, especially retarded QBs like Cutler. If you take Cutler out of the equation (give Hall 1 INT in that game instead of 4), Hall's numbers go from being good overall to bad, and we lose that game.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Thursday, January 20, 2011
Haynesworth headed to Eagles?

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By Matt Mosley

The Washington Redskins have said they'd be open to Albert Haynesworth returning in 2011, but no one really believes them. And that's why it's interesting to note that the Philadelphia Eagles just hired Haynesworth's all-time favorite position coach.

Haynesworth became one of the best defensive tackles in the league while working with defensive line coach Jim Washburn in Tennessee. The Redskins reportedly tried to unload Haynesworth on the Eagles during the Donovan McNabb negotiation but coach Andy Reid, currently in Antigua, did not have any interest. Perhaps Washburn could change Reid's mind about Haynesworth.

Take a look at what Haynesworth told The (Nashville) Tennessean about Washburn:

"I owe Coach Wash pretty much everything," said Haynesworth. "If my deal was $100 million or whatever, then Washburn deserves $90 million. I have the talent, but he taught me how to let it loose. As a player, once you can get through the [expletive], get down to the core of what he is saying, the information is more valuable than gold. He's a great coach, a great teacher. The Titans should have paid a lot of money to keep him from leaving."

If I'm Washburn, I'd head over to Albert's place and try to collect immediately. I don't think the Eagles' locker room needs a guy like Haynesworth, but it will be interesting to see if Washburn campaigns for a reunion.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24479/haynesworth-headed-to-eagles

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

not that the haters want to hear this, but ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23602/flawless-no-but-campbell-did-improve

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM

So JC was the fifth best QB in the NFL over the final one-third of the season? Geez, reading comments on this board, I woulda thought he was the fifth worst! Where's Flounder21?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM |

Who gives a f-ck he no longer plays here, I don't care if he was the best QB in the league all year. If you guys are so in love with him go to the Raiders blog and post.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

@Diesel - DHall was diredtly responsible for winning 2 games. Thats what Shanny wanted in his defense and Haslett as well.

You go to the PB based on certain stats, and his stats compare. He was a top INT guy and tops in tackling amongst CBs in the league.....

Where is the problem?

Posted by: 4thFloor

The problem is that he's a gambler that our defense wasn't well suited for a gambler. Most defenses can afford to have only 1 guy who 'gambles', if that.

Usually its the free safety or a weak side LB that gets the freedom to make plays. Wilbur Marshall was great at that for a couple seasons here -- largely because Darrell Green meant we didn't need to double cover the other team's top receivers.

Its less common for a CB to have that freedom. We need a better defense -- with more pressure and QB confusion -- and Hall's gambles will work out more often.

Hall is probably a good fit for the defense Haslett wants, but doesn't yet have.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

not that the haters want to hear this, but ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23602/flawless-no-but-campbell-did-improve

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM
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Not that I want to talk about Campbell or the dysfunctional Raiders but did you notice Hue Jackson said Campbell will be better next year after playing another year in the same system. Um. Didn't we hear he was pursuing Al Saunders for the offensive coordinator job? Doesn't Al run a different offense? Hue Jackson strikes me as a guy who hasn't learned when to keep him mouth shut when in front of the microphone - kind of like Jim Zorn. I'm sure Al Davis is just going to love that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a f-ck he no longer plays here, I don't care if he was the best QB in the league all year. If you guys are so in love with him go to the Raiders blog and post.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM

knew I'd get someone's blood pressure to rise

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Remind me not to go to Antigua this weekend...I heard the food rations are at extremely dangerous levels.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a f-ck he no longer plays here, I don't care if he was the best QB in the league all year. If you guys are so in love with him go to the Raiders blog and post.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM

Great to have you back, dude! Why is it so hard for you to applaud the successes of honorable Redskins alumni? As long as they're not playing the Skins, I wish 'em all well!

Still loved Art Monk, even when he put on two other teams uniforms!

Heck, I hope Joe Gibbs' NASCAR team has a winning year!

HTTR!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

He "won" two games? So how many besides the 2nd Cowboy's game did he lose?

Good for him being named to the pro bowl but ask anyone without two lazy eyes and they'll tell you that's a joke. Tramon Williams would have sat at home in his place if he didn't dominate the Falcons game like he's done all season.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

not that the haters want to hear this, but ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23602/flawless-no-but-campbell-did-improve

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 12:28 PM
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Not that I want to talk about Campbell or the dysfunctional Raiders but did you notice Hue Jackson said Campbell will be better next year after playing another year in the same system. Um. Didn't we hear he was pursuing Al Saunders for the offensive coordinator job? Doesn't Al run a different offense? Hue Jackson strikes me as a guy who hasn't learned when to keep him mouth shut when in front of the microphone - kind of like Jim Zorn. I'm sure Al Davis is just going to love that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Hue Jackson's offense to a big step forward in OAK, especially impressive since he had a ton of marginal parts.

But ... he really had only 1 successful year as an OC. And being a HC for Al Davis is a difficult job. Hue will have some major issues in his new role not related to stuff on the field. Davis is probably already collecting info that he can use to sue Jackson 2 years from now ...

Plus, I think free agency is going to be ugly for OAK.

As for Al Saunders ... I was pretty much laughing at that one along with everyone else. Seems like a terrible fit.

But I think Hue will act as the OC no matter who he hires. Saunders might act more like a mentor to Jackson (perhaps he did that in B'more), and less like a traditional OC. I actually could see that working, at least for a while.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Great to have you back, dude! Why is it so hard for you to applaud the successes of honorable Redskins alumni? As long as they're not playing the Skins, I wish 'em all well!

Still loved Art Monk, even when he put on two other teams uniforms!

Heck, I hope Joe Gibbs' NASCAR team has a winning year!

HTTR!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:26 PM |

It's got nothing to do with JC as a person I don't care about any player that goes to another team especially a mediocre player like JC I root for the team not the players.

I know you are not comparing Art Monk finishing off a great career on another team to JC going to the Raiders.

Monk was and will always be a Skin, JC is not even in the conversation.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/fountain-lady-nobody-went-to-my-aid-23909987

She has an attorney? She wants to sue? She wants an apology?

What a moron!!! What a society!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

My top 5
Montana
Elway
Brady
Manning
Farve

Too young to have seen anyone pre 80's. I'm sure Sammy Baugh was pretty, pretty good. beep-beep was in his 30's when he played he'd probably have a better handle on those that wore leather helmets.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Diesel, Favre wouldn't make my top 10, maybe even my top 20. I'd have to really think about that.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice the "Madden Most Value Protectors" on NFL.com? Supposedly he has narrowed down the five best offensive lines to Chiefs, Falcons, Ginas, Patsies and Saints. I find it interesting that all of those teams made it to the playoffs except the Ginas. I would like to see the Redskins on that list sometime in the near future...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It's got nothing to do with JC as a person I don't care about any player that goes to another team especially a mediocre player like JC I root for the team not the players.

I know you are not comparing Art Monk finishing off a great career on another team to JC going to the Raiders.

Monk was and will always be a Skin, JC is not even in the conversation.

Posted by: Flounder21

The real issue with Campbell is that this franchise has failed to understand its problems.

Campbell is a pretty good symbol for what has happened historically here. A respectable player who got pushed out -- and his spot was filled by an expensive (both $$ and draft picks) replacement who wasn't any better.

What makes this so frustrating is that this happened under the new regime -- the 'grown-ups'. And we got results that resembled a Cerrato move.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

It's been nearly a week now since a new video has been posted...wtf!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

But I think Hue will act as the OC no matter who he hires. Saunders might act more like a mentor to Jackson (perhaps he did that in B'more), and less like a traditional OC. I actually could see that working, at least for a while.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:33 PM
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I think Saunders thinks too much of himself and his playbook to accept a role as a lame duck coordinator. Jimmy Raye is more likely.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It's got nothing to do with JC as a person I don't care about any player that goes to another team especially a mediocre player like JC I root for the team not the players.


Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2011 1:35 PM

Over the years, I've come to appreciate a lot of "mediocre" players who left it on the field for the Redskins: guys like Nick Giaquinto, Kelvin Bryant & Mark Murphy for example. Not everyone can be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

z, I'll trump your suit story, with this gem:

While Delvonte Tisdale didn't make a good decision when he reportedly stowed away in the wheel well of a USAirways plane at the Charlotte, N.C., airport, the 16-year-old high school student wouldn't be dead but for the lax security that allowed him access to the flight last year, his family says.

Hence, they plan to sue, with the help of a Florida law firm, reports the Boston Globe.

“The evidence in this case makes it quite clear which party is at fault, and the family has every intention of pursuing legal action of the highest order,’’ says attorney Christopher Chestnut in a written statement.

The article doesn't make clear exactly what entity the planned litigation might be directed against. The airport is owned by the city of Charlotte, which is working with the Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Security Administration to determine exactly how Tisdale managed to sneak into the plane.

His battered body was found in November in a Boston suburb after apparently falling from the plane, according to the newspaper.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

But I think Hue will act as the OC no matter who he hires. Saunders might act more like a mentor to Jackson (perhaps he did that in B'more), and less like a traditional OC. I actually could see that working, at least for a while.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 1:33 PM
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I think Saunders thinks too much of himself and his playbook to accept a role as a lame duck coordinator. Jimmy Raye is more likely.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

Possibly. I don't have any special insight into the guy. He turns 63 in a few days -- maybe that factors into it.

I'm guessing he and Hue liked each other in B'more, and that Hue probably learned a lot from him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What other option did the Skins have? Keeping Soup?! How often can we rehash this shti?!!

No matter WHAT you thought of him, he was over and done here. We had Grossman starting. They did a short term experiment w/ a tried vet that didn't work out.

Soup wouldn't have worked here. You needed someone who could handle the rush. 'Cause it came. Like a frekkin' river.

And enough of this Nice Guy bs mystique. He was a sucker. He always dodged blame and pointed the finger.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

His battered body was found in November in a Boston suburb after apparently falling from the plane, according to the newspaper.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 2:03 PM
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Thinking of the Weather Girls singing, "It's Raining Men"...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing he and Hue liked each other in B'more

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 2:04 PM

Liked...or Like-Liked?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

RSH, He was 16... so technically... raining BOYS... and ... ew.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

C'mon...Mark Murphy was better than an over-achieving mediocre player, wasn't he?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How the hell did Al Davis get outta the Intensive Care Unit?? Trade Al Davis for a dead alley cat and a bowl of ratmeat..Seriously, dude, when the parts start falling off the body , it's time to turn over the reins..C'mon over some time, I mix one helluva Kevorkian..It'll be for the good of humanity, no charge..

McNabb deserves Cutler-patience, but everybody's up for tradebait, till we win...Let's take advantage of the drooling Count, the Raiders are always good for firesale bargains..

Posted by: frak | January 20, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The problem with CR22 isn't the low number of interceptions per se, it's the fact that he drops the ones that hit him in the hands. He's a reasonably good cover corner and I wouldn't mind him coming back at rhw right price but he has an over-inflated sense of his value. I don't think we'll offer him what he thinks he's worth and I really won't miss him that much. Hope we can find an adequate replacement.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 20, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Diesel, Favre wouldn't make my top 10, maybe even my top 20. I'd have to really think about that.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well professor... I limited the list to QBs I've seen play. I know the history of the league but I don't have Rolodex of memories of Slinging Sammy Baugh, Staubach, Y.A. Tittle, Tarkenton, or Otto Graham.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Remind me not to go to Antigua this weekend...I heard the food rations are at extremely dangerous levels.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 1:21 PM

Yup there's a hippo on the loose in the inshore waters and them things are dangerous.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 20, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The problem with CR22 isn't the low number of interceptions per se, it's the fact that he drops the ones that hit him in the hands. He's a reasonably good cover corner and I wouldn't mind him coming back at rhw right price but he has an over-inflated sense of his value. I don't think we'll offer him what he thinks he's worth and I really won't miss him that much. Hope we can find an adequate replacement.

Posted by: wireman65

I think most everyone realizes Rogers is an adequate CB who'd be a good CB is he could hold onto the ball.

I agree with folks who think QBs are willing to throw at Rogers, even if the coverage is good, because they don't fear getting picked. If he had held onto enough passes to at least make a QB think twice, he'd be a much more valuable player.

To put it more bluntly, if DHall has good coverage on his guy, as a QB, I'd immediately turn and throw it to the guy Rogers is on. Worst case, incomplete -- with a decent chance that I get the completion.

But if Rogers could catch the ball, the QB decision tree for the QB changes and his risks go way up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 2:40 PM
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Dude is scarey. He was an extra in Zombieland and didn't even stop by the makeup department.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 2:40 PM
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On second thought, maybe that is what vampires look like when they come up in the light of day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 2:40 PM
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Dude is scarey. He was an extra in Zombieland and didn't even stop by the makeup department.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

If you think he looks creepy, try working for him...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

On second thought, maybe that is what vampires look like when they come up in the light of day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

He's still pissed that HBO cancelled his tales from the crypt show.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

RSH, He was 16... so technically... raining BOYS... and ... ew.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 2:34 PM
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The last thing that went through his mind was his ass...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Remind me not to go to Antigua this weekend...I heard the food rations are at extremely dangerous levels.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 1:21 PM

Yup there's a hippo on the loose in the inshore waters and them things are dangerous.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 20, 2011 2:47 PM
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And if Reid took his sons, there's also probably a shortage of nose candy in Antigua as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 20, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

His battered body was found in November in a Boston suburb after apparently falling from the plane, according to the newspaper.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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Now if they just get the rest of the family to fall from a plane, the estate (& their lawyers) could make that much more money...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 20, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Well professor... I limited the list to QBs I've seen play. I know the history of the league but I don't have Rolodex of memories of Slinging Sammy Baugh, Staubach, Y.A. Tittle, Tarkenton, or Otto Graham.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 20, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I do go back a few more years than you do, don't I.

Favre has been a great QB in the league, but I think his numbers are overinflated, due to when he played and how long he played. Sammy Baugh was way before my time. I do remember Otto Graham, and YA Tittle, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Sonny, Bradshaw. They were all great leaders. More recently, Montana, Marino, Warren Moon, Kenny Stabler, Jim Kelly(I know he didn't win SB, but he had his team thaere a whole lot). Roger Staubach & Aikman, Montana & Young. Wow, just too many to mention.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 20, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

He's still pissed that HBO cancelled his tales from the crypt show.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2011 3:00 PM

Haha...everyone leave the old man be...I like his glasses...especially the cord that attaches them to his head.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Did he died?... like this blog?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 20, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27
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What shall it reveal? Next on Geraldo...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 20, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

C'mon...Mark Murphy was better than an over-achieving mediocre player, wasn't he?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 2:35 PM

I really liked that guy, and I think he was better than mediocre. But DEFINITELY an over-achiever.

He went undrafted, and this back was when there were about a dozen rounds in the draft. He actually did make a pro-bowl, and then retired healthy when he was just 29 years old.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

from pft:

Marvin Lewis vows offensive changes; takes another shot at Ochocinco

gas up Redskin 1....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 3:29 PM

Yeah, I really liked Mark Murphy too. As long as we're in that era, your thoughts on Curtis Jordan? Last I heard of him he was making pizza's at Pettibone's restuarant up on 236.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 20, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

took a few minutes yesterday to rewatch the 'Monk for the Hall' video.

Guy really was money. I miss having guys like that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 20, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It's been nearly a week now since a new video has been posted...wtf!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 20, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm really looking forward to not watching the next video post.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 20, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

He was released by the REdskins and couldn't get a sniff from anybody else after the 83 season. He felt like he was blackballed for being a union rep and a big part of the 82 strike.

He's now the President of the Packers.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 20, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I really liked Mark Murphy too. As long as we're in that era, your thoughts on Curtis Jordan? Last I heard of him he was making pizza's at Pettibone's restuarant up on 236.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 20, 2011 3:35 PM

For a minute, I hated Curtis Jordanm, but it wasn't his fault. If I remember correctly, Jordan took over for Murphy, whom the team basically cut (and Murphy was just 29!). I remember (I think) Frank Herzog contrasting images of Jordan with Murphy on his newscast.

Murphy had a relaxed manner about him and a tight haircut... in fact, I think he went to law school after he retired. Curtis Jordan had these wild eyes and unkempt hair.

Herzog made it seem like because Murphy wasn't a wildman like Jordan, somehow that made Jordan the better player.

Sorry, but I remember Murphy bringing the wood and I was pretty disappointed when he lost his job to Jordan.

Jordan didn't do much to make me forget about Murphy, either. He only played a year or two after Murphy left.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 20, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27
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What shall it reveal? Next on Geraldo...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 20, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Jenkies scooby, its old man Curtis the owner of the abandoned amusment park.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

His battered body was found in November in a Boston suburb after apparently falling from the plane, according to the newspaper.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 20, 2011 2:03 PM

Sounds like SOMEONE is not going to be able to produce a boarding pass. No ticket, no refund. No soup for Mr. Tisdale!

Posted by: dcsween | January 20, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Its creepy Al Davis face looks like its peeling off.

Posted by: Stu27
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What shall it reveal? Next on Geraldo...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 20, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Jenkies scooby, its old man Curtis the owner of the abandoned amusment park.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 20, 2011 3:58 PM

And Davis would have pulled it off if it wasn't for those meddling kids ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 20, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Special beeps for PA.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 20, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anyone else believe that our 1st pick needs to be a reciever if Green or Jones are still there? Honestly, the idea of drafting defense AGAIN in the 1st round makes me want to vommit. VinZorno destroyed our offense with thier 2008 draft. And then they "re-programmed" Orakpo, forcing him into pass coverage, which he clearly is not good at (yet?). While a need for Linebackers is clear, An outside threat at WR is, and has been, thier biggest need. Game-changing WRs are more valuable than LBs. And Rocky/ Fletcher/ Orakpo/ Blades is a lot more reliable than Moss/ Armstrong/ Nobody.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 21, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

CR 22 would be a solid cb to keep on the roster instead of overpaying on the FA market. He ain't the answer to the cb position, but he knows the scheme, he plays the run strong, an be an above average nb. We do need to draft a cb that can cover and CATCH. There's gonna be guys available that we select in the mid rds that we'll be able to groom to slide into the starting role by mid season or after the bye wk.

We've got start building the team through the draft instead of FA. We've spent that last decade building by FA and what have the results been. The oldest team in the league, no young guns waiting in the league, no depth, and a talent starved team. It will take year or 2, but stocking up in the draft with young guys and shedding the older players that are past their prime is how we're gonna become relevant in the NFC East, NFC and NFL. The only FAs we need to sign should be to fill out the depth of the team. We aren't a player or 2 from being relevant, so going back to the old ways should be the last thing to do. Have we not learned anything?

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 23, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

As far as the 1st and 2nd rounders, we need to trade back a few picks to get extra picks. Then we'll have more than seven picks to fill the MANY holes that we have on our roster.

We need OL, DL, WR, QB, LB, DB, and RB. Having 7 picks isn't going to fill all of those holes. We aren't going to be able to fill all of those holes with just one draft and FA period either, but we've got to be something this franchise isn't known for over the last decade plus, SMART. Trading guys on the roster before and during the draft, plus draft day trades will give us extra picks to fill holes and get impact players that can not only help next year, but for years to come.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 23, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

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