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Roster Roulette - DBs

Had a little debate in the media room among the schlubs yesterday about the roster. And, yeah, it was pretty geeky. Discussing whether they will carry 4 CBs and 5 Safeties, or the 5 CBs and 4 Safeties, and who the lucky dudes will be.

I was staunchly in the 5 CBs camp, especially considering the recent injury history for Smoot and Springs. I also think Ade Jimoh will make it again as the 5th corner - his value on teams is put at a premium by the coaches - which means you need numbers at that position, because Ade has struggled in coverage when forced into duty. So I see Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Macklin and Jimoh. Butler has just been hurt too much in recent years, including this camp, and not sure he can play teams as well as the other guys. I see Westbrook making the practice squad; Bram thinks Eubanks gets the squad spot, but the coaches believe Byron could be a real contributor down the road.

Bram and some others thought the depth at safety might lead to them keeping 5 at that spot and only 4 corners. But with all the money already invested in the starters, and the fact that Prioleau and Stoutmire have played here before and have ample experience, I think they can go with four and be okay. Bram is a big Doughty guy 'cause of his penchant for the big hit, and I like the kid a ton too and I'm hoping things turn out well for him given all that his family has been through, but I think he and Fox could be the odd guys out of this mix.

So barring injury that's how I see it going down. What do you think?

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 16, 2007; 12:16 PM ET
 
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THIS DAY IN RI HISTORY

August 16, 2006 - A slow news day for America's favorite beat writer. Following injuries to Clinton Portis, Shawn Springs, and a boatload of others, head Skins trainer Bubba Tyer flies the friendly Southern skies trying to keep tabs on all of them. Jasno spares no detail in his thrilling new thread of the day, "Where's Bubba."

So, with this brief respite, let us now turn our attention to the numbers. RI has now been in existence for 16 days. Jasno has blessed us with 15 fabulous threads and a total of 184 comments have been posted. That's an average of 11.5 comments per day, or just over 12 per thread.

*yawn*

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, all you first posters...

Eat my shorts.

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the halcyon days...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who missed it...

The New Boren Ultimatum:

88,888 by Skins Opening Game (9/9/07)

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Agree- I'd rather have 5 CBs. That injury bug seems WAY too prevalent this year to bar anything happening to Springs/Smoot. Also love to keep Westbrook around on the PS; there's definitely some football skill in that bloodline.

Posted by: D7 | August 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks CL. 4-12 - Def a joke. I know most of you guys are in your 30s, 40s, 50s so I like poking fun at you guys.

Trying to get back to normal, aka being the redskin fanatic that I am, I realized is the best thing to get my mind in a happy place. I think about my daughter ALL of the time and cracking jokes here and there brings my spirits up, hence the old polks comments.

again, I appreciatte everyone for their thoughts, prayers, and concerns. Including you Jack....

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 12:26 PM

"

Posted by: 4th from previous post | August 16, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

That's right i'm staying beotches

Posted by: say it ain't so ade jimoh | August 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Just on the fact alone that you use more cornerbacks than safeties during the course of a game especially with so many teams going with 3 wideout sets rather frequently i would say go with the five cb's. Add in the injury history's of our players and i would say that it's practically a given that we need five cb's.

Posted by: Dante | August 16, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Butler is gone. I guess he just came in to get the Training Camp Per Diem, huh? But I can't see them keep Jimoh?!?!?

So, with the incite JLaC has provided, it looks like it's between Jimoh and Doughty, which both only would actually contribute on special teams.

I have to go wit hBram on this one. Doughty is more of a big hitter then Jimoh. Everything else between them is equal.

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope they keep Westbrook. He is such a sweetheart (ok, the woman in me is surfacing). He was soo excited about his TD last week.

Posted by: Lisa | August 16, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This is how Walt Harris/Stoutmire/Bowen left last time (and Jimoh got the long straw).

Admittedly, neither Fox nor Doughty lit up the Titans, but didn't seem like Prioleau or Stoutmire did much either. That said, I defer to the media schlubs who get to (have to) sit around and watch the practices.

Macklin over Eubanks, heh? Gonna watch those guys closely on Saturday.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Here's how I break it down...
The number one thing to consider is the scheme the skins play underGrilliams...agressive blitzing which call for man to man corners very oftern...5 CB's are a must considering the skins have way more question marks with cornerback then safety. (Can Springs stay healthy? Can Carlos Rogers develop? Is Smoot the Smoot of old or an old Smoot?) Ade "Toasted" Jimoh seems like a better fit on defense for a cover 2 scheme were he can come up and hit without having man to man responsibilites. The safety tandem between Landry and Taylor seem like durable, athletic young guys who would have to be dragged off the field...Reed Doughty as much as he is a feel good story has not done a lot to impress on the field to push 2 young studs and 2 crafty vets.

Posted by: Brandon | August 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

MV - thanks for the RI history.

Where do we stand now 70,000 something?

Posted by: Dman | August 16, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Fox will get cut, simply because he signed a 3-year deal in the off-season. F my negativity.

Lisa, I'm telling Springs on you. lol

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If they like Westbrook (and LBP for that matter) and hope to have them on the practice squad, don't they have to be released first and made available to the rest of the league before we can sign them back to the PS? JLa, do coaches/FO think either of those guys might get snatched up?

Posted by: Gibby | August 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Could Ade change numbers and wear a pseudonym on his jersey to remove that 'throw it to my dude' target? Egads, he is brutal back there.

I don't care what he brings on special teams, he shouldn't be on our D back depth chart.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

74,228, Dman...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dame, 88,888 is pretty doggone ambitious! We'd have to seriously pick up the pace to get there in less than four weeks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Taking gratuitous to a new level.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

5 CBs, 4 safeties.

I agree with others. Jimoh has been decent on special teams, but when he's in the game he is a target for QBs to pick on, and we can't have that. I'd rather see Byron Westbrook too, I like his enthusiasm and excitement for the game, I think that he could develop into a great DB with some time and tutelage, but I think that the practice squad wouldn't be a smart move for his continued development.

Posted by: TDawg | August 16, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate, what I think JLa is projecting re: Jimoh is that, because they don't have a depth chart for special teams (at least not one you can find out about unless you watch every special team set), putting him in a CB is a mere formality. They could put him as #4 LB, but the point is he ONLY makes it b/c of his teams play.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Butler is extremely talented. If his injury really is minor, we should keep him and dump Jimoh. We've had to rely on him too many times in the past and he has rarely if ever delivered on defense. I just don't believe he's that good on STs to consider keeping him around again. Heck, I'd even take Eubanks over that guy and I don't know anything about Eubanks.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | August 16, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, Dman is a dude?!?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

We have to make it at least a bit of a challenge, Nate. Besides, I think we can do it...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Nate, we got like what, 700 posts after 1 pre-game? 88888 is doable.

Posted by: TDawg | August 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

That's a tall order, just over 600 a day.

Stick with 5 cb's and 4 safeties. With all the blitzing we are gonna do our boys will be getting hit, lots. i feel confident enough in our depth at Safety, not soo good if Springs/smoot/rogers goes down.

Posted by: Dman | August 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, we're up to the challenge. The blog is rolling now. It cannot be stopped.

We'll hit 75k before noon tomorrow, and at one point THAT didn't look do-able by opening day.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

4th- I figured you were joking before.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

That would be too bad about Butler.

It would be nice for the game in Foxboro to have Jerametrius Caesar in the same stadium with Adalius Caesar.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

You are so right on about Jimoh. No way I want him in single coverage!
There should be some cb's available come cut time on teams who have depth at that position. I say wait and see.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, I agree with you about not wishing injuries to any player anywhere, but darn, darn, darn this bad luck for the Giants ...
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d801855d6&template=with-video&confirm=true

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Is it time for a roll/role call, Nitpidixer?

Alls we needs is 25 hale and hardy Insiders to do 25 comments a day...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody say role call?

Posted by: Donnie Simpson | August 16, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

How about 5 safeties AND 5 CB on the final roster? Instead of a 9th lineman? I'm just askin'

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody say role call?

Posted by: Donnie Simpson | August 16, 2007 12:56 PM


LMGO!

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree completely...never want to see a player injured...but not too sorry for the Gints and Eagles(torn triceps..out for season-McDougle).

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

we may be down to 8 lineman by the time camp is over!

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been to camp, but I would agree that it needs to be:

Springs
Rogers
Smoot
Macklin
Jimoh

Taylor
Landry
Prioleau
Stoutmire

Bye Bye Butler and Doughty.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 16, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot about Fox... coin flip between him and Stoutmire.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 16, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Byron Westbrook gets the practice squad spot and he'll be the first one added if/when there is an injury to a corner. He's got a long way to go learning how to cover in the NFL, but all the potential is there. People doubted his brother's ability to play at this level because he was too small and did not go to a football power (Villanova). I'm not saying he's as good as his brother, but they might have find someone who can eventually be a nickel corner without using a draft pick. They won't let him go.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 16, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Dame, I gotta dig back into the archives and find those roll call posts, then dust 'em off. Sometime.

What was the Donnie Simpson reference? I completely missed that one.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I love my 'canes. ... but I miss Champ Bailey too.

I actually wouldn't mind going w/ better talent in this instance (ie Safeties, if that's who the coaches deem as 'better').

'Cause if the linebackers end up being like two years ago, all that pressure won't be on the corners. It will be on the opposing Line & QB.

c'mon A.CARTER! git ta sackin'!

Posted by: Dik | August 16, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Ade Jimoh is staying. It'ss fun to watch him lay out a punt or kick returner (which he does several times each year) and Gregg Williams now knows that he should draw a fan at random from the stands to play corner before letting Jimoh onto the field in anything but a special teams situation.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 16, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

If our cb's are that bunch we are in serious trouble. Can't count on Springs staying healthy and he's our #1, Rogers has demonstrated he lacks the skill and fortitude to be a top corner, Smoot is a ? as is Macklin. Jimoh is clearly a last resort.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

cosmofla- Very good point. We need all the linemen we can get right now.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Great Article, only because I agree with this guy on the LG debate.

http://redskins.scout.com/2/668416.html

Buges is just trying to give Wade a chance. Now its someone else's turn...

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

NO NO NO to Jimoh.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | August 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Donnie Simpson is a DC Radio Personality who has a bit called Roll Call where people call in and give shout-outs or diss pretty much whoever they want.

Posted by: Huggie Lowdown | August 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not that concerned about our CB's/S cause that is one of the few strengths we have, I'm curious what everyone thinks on the WR's, I would love to see:

Moss
ARE
Thrash
ESPY
and drum roll please......Pinkston

That's right, I'm hope Lloyd is gone, not that he doesn't have more physical talents than everyone on that list than Moss, but I hate, I'm tired of seeing him fighting on the sidelines and reading his stupid quotes and terrible attitude for no production. I'd rather have good team guys do nothing than malcontents.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I forgot about Fox as well. I guess the reporters did too since they did not mention him.

I would take Fox over Stoutmire as well. Maybe Stout is GW favorite?

http://redskins.scout.com/2/663785.html

Interesting look at who may or may not make the 53 man roster

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

As big of a liability as Ade Jimoh is in pass coverage, he is a huge asset on special teams. He, Khary Campbell and James Thrash are indispensable special teamers and that is a big deal.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

In the hour since Jasno posted this thread, we've "barfed" (thrown up) 51 comments.

That's not just 88,888 pace... that's better than 100K pace!

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Khary Campbell and Thrash are not total liabilities in their positions. Jimoh is. I'd bet Westbrook could do on STs what Jimoh does. Give the man a chance. Jimoh has already proven what he cannot do.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | August 16, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Gotta keep Westbrook. Go Gulls!

Posted by: CoSkins | August 16, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Huggie Lowdown- You know you can't use that name on air anymore. Big trouble if you do.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Glass, torch aka jimoh, gets beat for a TD right after he parks his car at the stadium. This coaching staff is completely in love with what guys contribute on "teams" but honestly does anyone think there would be that much of a drop off if Jimoh wasn't there and westbrook was?

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

Do you seriously consider our corners a strength? Other than Springs (if he is healthy), who do you like? I just don't trust Rogers and Smoot did not have a great year in Minnesota.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Completely agree w/ you on wr's...deep trouble. We get nothing by getting rid of sorry a$$ Lloyd(no trade value). Wouldn't it be nice to find a diamond in the rough like we used to...oh that's right, we don't have GM anymore, my bad.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Alex, Fred and Thomas run at constant rates. In a race of 1,000m, Alex finished 200m ahead of Fred and 400m ahead of Thomas. When Fred finished, how far was he ahead of Thomas? (in m)

Posted by: loco mullin | August 16, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Huggie Lowdown- You know you can't use that name on air anymore. Big trouble if you do.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 01:21 PM


Why not? Do he still have bit with the Coach?

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Cosmo,

yeah I think our corners are a strength. Especially compared to last year, and frankly compared to a lot of teams in the league we are very solid at corner now. Rogers and Smoot aren't number 1's but they are above average for sure and when healthy Springs is a true #1. And by all accounts Macklin was a steal and could be a starter in the league somewhere else. Are the Bailey and Bly? No, but I think they are in the top 5 in the league talent and depth wise. We can legitimately cover 4 wide sets with quality corners, there aren't many teams that can say that, and in a pinch if injuries happen, PP and Omar can play nickel corner too.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd will bounce back, he actually has a QB that will (can) throw him the ball this year. Brunell only looked for Moss, mainly on the WR screens/slants and Cooley/Betts in the flat. Lloyd is more of a downfield receiver.

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

jm- He's on Majic 102.3 now as "The Celebrity Snitch". No longer with Donnie. I could say more, but then I'd have to kill me.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

My only worry on Defense comes from the Dline and can we stop the run? That's my only concern on D.

My real concern is Offense, so many injuries means they aren't getting reps together and means that it will be game 4 or 5 before everyone is on the same page and that scares me.....a lot! Even outside of our Oline and Samuels, ARE and Lloyd haven't been practicing and Portis hasn't either. That's frightening, not as frightening as LG but scary. Just heard Bram Weinstein say on his radio show that Pucillo is the starter Sat. and Wade might not even play and that he fully expects next week the Skins to either sign a waiver guard or a trade to get a guard.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

That's right...Donnie will sue him if he uses Huggie's name...I guess that makes Donnie the Bama of the week week week!

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

5 corners, 4 safety bc just as evryone has said, injuries=depth. END

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | August 16, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Springs is a shutdown corner anymore, and Carlos Rogers cannot catch the ball. It's tough to be considered a legit corner back when you can't catch the ball!! We better get a lot of pressure on the qb this year...

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

That's right...Donnie will sue him if he uses Huggie's name...I guess that makes Donnie the Bama of the week week week!

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 01:38 PM


Yes that would make him the Bama of the week. Is the guy that played Coach still with them?

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Even if Rogers still isn't making every pick he gets his hands on he better damn well be knocking the ball down and forcing some punts. And no dancing after giving up 8 yard gains.

sween, sucks for the gmen about burress. I'm with you on the never wishing injuries but can;t say I am disappointed when I hear about them within other teams in the division. Look what we had to live through last year on the D.

Is Jasno saying it is impossible to keep both Westbrook and Eubanks on the P squad if they don't make the roster? You can sign 5 guys to that right?

Posted by: cdubb | August 16, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Rogers and his inability to catch a football. When the QB's warm up on the sideline before games, they usually have a WR catching the balls for them. Why not subsitute Rogers for one of the wideouts before games?? Give him some extra practice. Unless his hands are that bad and he may screw up Campbell's rhythm...

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I just hope there's room for Scarface.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

That's why he is a corner and not a WR, I mean I agree, he has the worst hands I've ever seen, I think the ball actually picks up velocity when Carlos tries to catch it, and I've never seen that but he covers decently with over the top help (which the Reaper will be providing all season according to Greg) and supports the run well. Smoot is a very good cover corner, not much of a hitter but very good in coverage and that's what we need, and I totally disagree, when healthy Springs absolutely is a shutdown corner, he just isn't healthy too often, but even if he is hurt, Rogers, Smoot, Macklin, PP, and Omar with help from Taylor can get the job done. Its not like we have to play Kenny Wright or Rumph this year!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

I guess we just disagree. I don't consider Rogers or Smoot above average. Is Macklin healthy? Sure hope I'm wrong or it will be a very long season.

Offense is defintely in trouble..especially line and wr. But if Samuels, Wade, Johnson, and Thomas are healthy(big if)we may run the ball well.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins cut Jimoh, I guarantee he'll be picked up and be the 2006 version of Walt Harris.

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I just would like everyone here to take note real quick, I just argued a positive for the Redskins, and against negativity. Just want everyone who says I'm too pessimistic and negative to notice this. LOL!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Donnie's not the bama. Huggie knew the contract...if he goes somewhere else, he can't take the name with him.

Posted by: ghost of 4-12 | August 16, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Worst hands ever? I don't think so.

Posted by: Gardener, Rod | August 16, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

CC, have you seen him play corner? there is no way in the world he will ever be a legit corner. He may get picked up but he isn't going to go out and have 10 picks and be a starting corner....ever!!!!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Smoot is a huge improvement over kenny wrong and rumphroast. I'm thrilled to have the mouth back, and I actually think the D will be much improved-(can't get much worse.)The D line will be better with griff healthy, golston emerging, and dre comfortable with the system. London is a huge upgrade.

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Why not? Do he still have bit with the Coach?

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 01:30 PM

I believe the proper wording is "does he...." not "DO he......."

Posted by: Webster | August 16, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Safeties or corners? Here's how you pick 'em. Have Todd Pinkston go over the middle and a DB crank it up towards him. If TP turns into an alligator, keep the DB. On second thought that may not resolve the problem. He's going to alligator it up every time.

Posted by: dcfred | August 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Redskins.com -- 8/16 Practice Cam -- 1:45m mark -- nice 10 yard shank by Frosty

Posted by: CMoney | August 16, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

From the previous post, my favorites when I was a kid. I hope somebody else remembers.

Eddie Lebaron
Johnny Carson
Dick James

From other eras:

Mike Nelms
Bobby Mitchell

Plus lots more unnamed.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 16, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Webster you are right. But hell I am blogging when I should be doing work. F the FCC

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Jimoh must go
for at coverage
He doth blow


... or is that suck

Posted by: ny skins gan | August 16, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Slight change to the thread topic.

Until I see the Denver Post story refuted (below), it appears the Skins - once again - will not be operating with a full complement of picks in 2008 - whether Coach Joe goes for a 5th year at the helm or not. If the below story is to be believed (and, to the best of my knowledge, it has yet to be countered), the Skins will have given up 3rd and 4th round draft picks in each of the Gibbs 2.0 years.

Here is what Joe's draft pick / player trades have brought the Redskins during the past 4 years:

Skins Acquire Skins Give Up
Portis 04 2nd & Champ Bailey
Brunell 04 3rd
Thrash 04 4th
Campbell 05 3rd, 06 1st, & 4th
Lloyd 06 3rd & 07 4th
Duckett 07 3rd & 08 4th

The sad points are as follows:

• Portis may never be the same
• Brunell is as dead as a doornail
• Thrash is nearly done
• Lloyd should be a goner
• Duckett is in Detroit

The Skins get nothing for the former Spartan other than a wasted season in Washington. Oh yeah, and Champ Bailey is still going strong and headed for Canton. Did I miss anything? Oh right, Campbell may still be the future; however, we paid a king's ransom to take that risk. Of all of the moves referenced above, this is the one I'm most willing to have fail - since they haven't had a long-term solution at QB since Joey T. came down from Canada over 30 years ago.

For those 'keeping score,' the Skins also gave up a second round pick in 2005 to obtain the 3rd round draft pick they used to select TE Chris Cooley in 2004 - a great move, it turns out. They also gave up a 2nd in 2006 and in 2007 to obtain a higher 2006 2nd rounder to obtain WLB Rocky Macintosh. The jury is still out on that one, and the cost was exorbitant.

In my view, the Macintosh move in April of 2006 was nearly as desperate as the Duckett one last August. A more professional and patient personnel acquisition apparatus would have let a fine player come to them on the 2nd round of the 2006 draft rather than package to 2nd rounders to move up toward the top of the 2nd round.

So, since Gibbs returned, we've traded 14 draft picks from rounds 1-4 (of the o4 - 08 draft cycles), and they may not be done yet given the putrid play along the O-line. THE HORROR!


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Lelie trade produces third-, fourth-round picks Compensation taking shape

By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

Article Last Updated: 12/26/2006 09:31:08 PM MST


The Broncos' compensation for trading wide receiver Ashley Lelie will become official Sunday. They will get two draft picks from Washington for their part in the three-way deal in August that also included Atlanta.
Denver will receive Washington's third-round pick in 2007 and a fourth-round pick from the Redskins in 2008. With the Redskins drafting anywhere from No. 3 to No. 10, the Broncos will reach their goal of getting a high third-round pick for Lelie.

Denver was telling potential trading partners all summer it wanted the equivalent of a high third-rounder for Lelie, a former first-round pick. Now the Broncos will get two picks. The compensation is based on the draft value chart NFL teams use.

The Broncos will finish anywhere from No. 18 to No. 27 in draft order - but could draft No. 31 or No. 32 if they advance to the Super Bowl. The Redskins (5-10) will draft high. So when the draft order is finalized after Sunday's conclusion of the regular season, it will become official that Denver receives the two picks from Washington.

Denver sent Lelie, who was holding out, to Atlanta in the three-way trade. The Redskins got running back T.J. Duckett from Atlanta. Duckett has not been a big producer for the Redskins, playing in nine games this season and carrying 35 times for 136 yards and one touchdown.

The extra third-round pick will give the Broncos ammunition if they want to trade up. It was a high third-round pick that Denver packaged to improve its draft position and select quarterback Jay Cutler in April.

Posted by: Biggest | August 16, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't care for Carlos Rogers considering how many sure interceptions he had last year and dropped them. I would like to see Westbrook do more than just play on the practice squad, he seems to be a positive play maker.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Excellent Observation!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | August 16, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Damn, jm. (SJK) I thought Webster was gonna get the hammer! Just showing your soft side, eh?

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

They need to find a way to keep LBW (Byron), because I think he has the makings and desire to be good.

Ade Jimoh was awful in the 2nd half trying to cover the Titan's 3rd/4th/5th string WR's. Just bad!

However, They commentators (Faulk and whoever) were taking about Henry (Rookie-3rd String RB for Titans who is built like a Rock) playing Gunner on Special Teams... They showed a play where he was going against Jimoh and someone else on a Titans punt. I couldn't believe it, but Ade Jimoh was crushing him as soon as he caught back up, Jimoh knocked him down again. I don't see how he can be that good on S-teams but suck as a CB. He looks like he's so scared to get burned when he's in at CB.

Is a guy really worth keeping if he can only play Special Teams well, but not provide quality depth elsewhere on the team. I'd like to think we have some other young guys like LBW, Sartz, Blades, Doughty that can play ST just as good... I don't know enough to say but it sounds like a stretch...

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about rogers dropping a sure td in the seattle playoff game. Westbrook definately has some upside, but falling on a ball in the endzone doesn't make him ready for the big time.

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

F the FCC.

I know that's right. The 'F' in FCC doesn't stand for Federal, if you catch my drift!

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are so poor at evaluating local talent.

I was hoping they would draft Antoine Bethea (Safety from Howard) last year. But they took Doughty instead.

Bethea went on to be a starter in the Super Bowl. I feel bad for Doughty's situation, but I don't see how he makes the team this year.

The scouts should really look at the local talent, especially defensive players from VA, VA-Tech, and Maryland.

Posted by: dutchgirl | August 16, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

With all the investment in the DBs we oughta be brilliant there. 4 guys drafted in the top 10. Amazing. Problem is we sacrificed the O line AND D line for this. Dang it

Posted by: AL | August 16, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You got that right 4-12. They keep coming out with these orders that aren't making my work life very fun right.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

Here are a few in no particular order:

Roy Jefferson
Charlie Harraway
Eddie Brown
Jerry Smith
Charley Taylor
Ron Saul
Ron McDole
Diron Talbert
Brig Owens
Pete Gogolak
Neil Olkewicz
Lemar Parrish
Joe Lavender(birdman)
Pat Fischer
Chris Hanburger
Dave Butz(most underrated tackle of all time)
Joe Washington
Kelvin Johnson
Larry Brown
Verlon Biggs

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

biggest,

it's absolutely disturbing to go back and look at the facts, isn't it?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 16, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

We need to draft Oline and Dline the first 5 rounds in the next draft. We are so old, injury-prone, and shallow on both those units. We ought to dump Lloyd and find two mid-tier WR's in FA, imagine how we'd be feeling right now if we had sign a Drew Bennet or Kevin Curtis for much more reasonable money than Lloyd got (not to mention the pick we gave up to get him) and a lot more production than Lloyd. Earnest Wiliford (sp?) comes to mind from JAX that will be a FA next year. Also, does anybody know why we won't take a flier on Antonio Bryant, when he still is available?

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Nitpickin'... Biggest, totally agree that overall our experience trading picks for vets and to trade up has not been good. And that we've wasted some of the picks we've exercised.

But at the moment we're only ONE pick down for '08 at the moment, giving up the fourth-rounder to the Donkeys. Not (yet) down a 3rd and 4th as you seem to indicate.

Not that there isn't plenty of time to remedy that by, say, a fit of drunk dealing (one of the 13 types of trades in Bill Simmons' column on espn.com)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

For the love of God! Please skins, make a deal to the Jets for Jason Kendall. This is a no brainer!!!!

Posted by: Skinz | August 16, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, does anybody know why we won't take a flier on Antonio Bryant, when he still is available?

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 02:17 PM

Because we already have a Brandon Lloyd. We don't need another one.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

cosmofla,

Great List!!! Every time daveb55 posts, I think of Dave Butz.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 16, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Jason Giambi admits to using the juice and Bud doesn't do anything about it. But wants to blast Bonds. WTF! Baseball is a joke.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someone already pointed this out but last year (at least at the start of the season) we kept 5 corners AND 5 safeties. We also had 6 linebackers and 9 defensive lineman thus producing 25 defensive players which is exactly half the total roster when you consider 3 special teams exclusive players in punter, kicker, and long snapper (53-3 = 50).

Do we know we are keeping fewer defensive players this year?

Posted by: JamesTuthill | August 16, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

barry is a disgrace to professional sports. the perfect example of the problems with the "modern" athelete.

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Jack - I was mainly kidding about Jimoh. I was just referencing to the fact that last year everyone dogged Walt Harris (b/c he SJK sucked) and he ended up blowing up for another team. I don't think Jimoh will blow up if picked up by another team, but honestly I didn't think Harris would either...

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,

Exactly my point, we've already got a Lloyd, we could sign Bryant cheaply and hope one of them pans out, if we aren't going to get rid of Lloyd then we obviously don't care about locker room guys so why not take a cheap shot at a by all accounts incredibly talented 26 year old guy and see if he works? I fail to see the risk if we already have a bad attitude malcontent WR that we aren't going to get rid of then who cares about one more?

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX,

You are correct. We so far have all of our 08 picks except the 4th rounder going to Denver for the final portion of the Duckett deal. I tried to indicate Duckett cost us a 3rd in 07 and a 4th next year.

By the way, I would have had no problem with taking a fifth round 'supplemental' flyer on the other OT from Maryland.

Seems to be 'all that' up the road in the Ravens' camp, and would have been a nice bookend to the other Terp Tackle assuming Heyer is the 'real deal' for the future.

Wonder why we didn't pull the trigger (since we were able to select before Baltimore gave up their fifth rounder next year).

Maybe he didn't pass Coach Joe's 'character' test, or what have you. But then again, the Tarantula passed the most in-depth 'background check' ever - per Gibbs. So who really knows.

Maybe Danny, Vinnie and Joe didn't even know there was a Supplemental Draft. Perhaps they thought 'supplemental draft picks? Why would we want them - can't you see we've tried to get rid of these picks?'

Posted by: Biggest | August 16, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Nah and Jason Giambi isn't. Like I said before if you go after one go after all of them. That's the only reason I support Bonds. Not because I think he didn't use the juice. Because they are going after just him and not others.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Frankly I don't care who's on the roster as long as it isn't Mike Rumph.

Very interesting points, Jason. Jimoh can't cover at all but he's such a gamer on special teams. I think Gibbs keeps him. I think Prioleau is a lock at safety and Stoutmire and Doughty will battle it out for that last spot, with Fox getting passed over on account of his age.

Is there any way they could go with 5 of each with Jimoh effectively replacing a linebacker on special teams?

Posted by: Joe the Fan | August 16, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I left Giambi out when I threw all those Fs at the roid users the other day. F giambi too.

jm- I think Bonds gets all the heat now because he was going to/then did break Hammerin' Hank's record. 755 is hallowed ground in baseball. At least all this controversy brought Aaron's name up, so a new generation could learn about a great man and ball-player.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

you couldn't be more right...can't pick and choose, it,s all or none!

Posted by: cosmofla | August 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - What time does Huggy come on Magic? I've been looking for him, but I can't stand to listen to Tom Joyner the wole time...

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Giambi admits it, Bonds lies about it. I see a difference there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Baseball? We're talking about baseball?

its officially football season I refuse to talk about steroids or baseball or bonds or giambi on a redskins blog during football season.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Giambi admits it, Bonds lies about it. I see a difference there.

Posted by: | August 16, 2007 02:43 PM

With a statement like that I can see why you didn't use your name.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree with going after all of em, but barry's antics are ridiculous. Plus, it's not like they are going after him that much harder than anybody else, we just here about it more because that's all espn talks about.

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

No one asked for your response Jack.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Feb. 23, 2004 -- Giambi, noticeably thinner in spring training, says he's only lost about 4 pounds and that he was "cleaning up his diet" during the offseason. Asked about taking steroids, he responds "no."
________

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if someone else posted this yet, but the AP had an article about Big Al's playbook:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-700pages&prov=ap&type=lgns

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

4th- Haven't listened to Tom Joyner...don't know when he's on.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Baseball and football have both been tainted by roids, hgh etc. Sammy Sosa said he gained weight because he got his teeth fixed, and he could eat again! Football seems to get more of a free pass on roids.

Posted by: nah | August 16, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Sammy Sosa said he gained weight because he got his teeth fixed, and he could eat again!


LMGO! They should have smack him in the back of his damn head as soon as he said that bs.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

no one asked for your response either JM.

why are people on here such jerks lately?

getting tired of crappy people.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Celebrity Snitch comes on at 6:40 am and 8:40 am. Chris Paul created the Huggy character and wrote a lot of his material that's why he couldn't take the name to that Radio One station. Joyner has not shame. I heard the initial commercials and they were doing the same thing Huggy and Donnie used to do - the back and forth calling each other's name. TJMS is awful. You have to be 50+ to enjoy that show.

Posted by: LH | August 16, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Giambi admits it, Bonds lies about it. I see a difference there.

Posted by: | August 16, 2007 02:43 PM

With a statement like that I can see why you didn't use your name.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 02:46 PM

I see nothing wrong with that statement. They are both cheaters and should be punished equally. Bonds just has the uncanny ability to continue living a lie and they are targeting more on him because the majority of allegations from BALCO have been passed on him. This argument comes up on here on a weekly basis.

Posted by: cdubb | August 16, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks LH. I see they're times are only off by 5 minutes.

You're not over 50 yet :-)?

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Giambi admitted he used steroids before they put all these testing procedures in place, not sure if that's right though? Also, isn't there a 3 strike penalty anyway, 3rd being banned from baseball? 1st and 2nd offenses (failed tests) are mainly slaps on the wrist (a few suspended games, loss of pay, fines, etc)?

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Looking back at Jasno's post, I wonder who all the media schlubs are who gather at the Park for confabs like this debate about the secondary, aside from Bram and maybe Steinbog? Who else is keeping the same Skins vigil out there?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for a timeout from the blog for me. Things have got way too cranky up here lately.

Intolerance of contrary views is NOT a good or useful personality trait. Perhaps everyone should take a look at how they've been posting lately and think about whether that's the best representation of who tehy are or not.

I've seen a lot of caring, thoughtful posts from people, particularly in response to Ahmad's sad situation, but lately there's a constant undercurrent of aggressive sniping and even downright nastiness.

Maybe as an 'outsider' I should just go back to somewhere affiliated with my own team, and I probably will, but irregardless I hope you guys sort this out because some of the stuff posted here lately is just plain obnoxious.

Bye,
Chris

Posted by: Redcoat | August 16, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

chris-regarding the "intolerance of contrary views," maybe people are taking a cue from w...just a thought. don't want to start a political debate.

Posted by: w sux | August 16, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat are you sure you not leaving because we are going to lay the smack down on your team? lol I really hope you don't leave.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the door hit you where the queen split you mate!

Posted by: Bye Chris | August 16, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I am going to take a cue from Chris (redcoat) as well. I enjoy talking about the Redskins very much and I enjoy debating all issues and I enjoy hearing and arguing all points. I don't enjoy being told to shut up, that because I think the skins won't have a great season that I'm negative and a jerk and not a fan, I don't like being called names and I don't need this crap. I can go to my local bar and just talk football and have a much better time then coming here and trying to talk Redskins with unrealistic jerks. Maybe its cyberspace and not being face to face but most of the people here should learn to debate without being mean.

Ahmad, I hope things continue to get better for you and your's and maybe I'll be back on here in a few months but right now its not worth it.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

So what's the word on Alex Buzbee (undrafted rookie DE from Georgetown)? The coaches were looking forward to TC b/c they felt like he showed a lot of potential in OTA's and minicamp... I haven't heard a thing about him lately... I didn't see him do anything against Tennesee either?

Kinda pathetic that we're putting so much hope into undrafted guys, because we don't have many drafted guys to look at...

DAMN-I hope they don't foolishly trade anymore picks away!

I'm looking forward to the Steelers game Saturday... I'd really like to see the offense moving in the right direction with our starters... A couple of TD's would be nice. Additionally, I'd like to see the Defense play stingy and get a turnover in the 1st/2nd Qtr.

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the door hit you where the queen split you mate!

Posted by: Bye Jack, and don't come back | August 16, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"I don't like being called names"

"I can go to my local bar and just talk football and have a much better time then coming here and trying to talk Redskins with unrealistic jerks."

Base on the two statements. It sounds to me that someone likes calling names abut can't take being called names.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

NOW it's starting to seem like a real family up here. Doors slamming, people yelling. At least that's what it was like at the trailer park.

Come on Chris and Jack, we'll muddle through this.

Posted by: SMACK | August 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Onward and upward, my friends. Let's keep moving forward.

We've been in little ruts of unpleasantness like this before. We've pulled through each of those, and we'll pull through this.

To 88,888 and beyond!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, that reminded me of Mitch Hedberg's (RIP) sage advice not to have an argument while you're camping, because it's impossible to slam a tent flap.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with Chris (redcoat).

JM - Did u ever think you can become a little to defensive (therfore offensive) at times... I've kept quiet and more or less let things roll, but you sure can come at people the wrong way. How about showing little respect even in times where it is not recipricated...

Nothing on here is personal and alot of people are sick of some of the ill willed comments that have been flying around recently. Just not called for...

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Guys. Don't leave. Let's Bash someone we all like to Bash.....

"Back in system that made him a star, Bears' Archuleta tries to re-establish himself

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Associated Press

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Adam Archuleta and Lovie Smith stood side by side after practice, smiling and chatting like friends who hadn't seen each other in a long time.

Well, they are old pals and it has been awhile since Archuleta played for Smith.

It's a reunion that might have happened a year earlier with the Chicago Bears had Dan Snyder not lured Archuleta to the Washington Redskins with a $35 million contract that made him the richest safety in NFL history.

"I really didn't foresee what happened happening there," Archuleta said.

What happened was a relationship crashed, a free fall that was a "complete blindside" to him. Archuleta fell out of favor as quickly as a disgraced politician in Washington and got traded to Chicago for a sixth-round draft pick in March. Now, he's trying to re-establish himself with the system (cover-2) and the coach (Smith) that helped make him a star with the St. Louis Rams.

"What more can I ask for?" Archuleta wondered. "I'm really happy and I'm really excited to be a part of the team."

A strong safety, he's joining a team with soaring expectations after the Bears reached the Super Bowl last season. He's back with Smith, the Bears' head coach who was his defensive coordinator with the Rams.

And he's in a scheme that will emphasize his strength -- stopping the run and pressuring the quarterback -- rather than expose his weaknesses in coverage. The Bears won't ask him to cover the top wide receiver. Instead, he'll try to apply pressure, create chaos and control the run. Put simply, he'll be in position to do the things that allowed him to get 15 sacks and 547 tackles during five seasons in St. Louis -- unlike last season in Washington.

"Ever since I signed with Washington ... there was a piece of me that said I wanted to play here," Archuleta said.

Archuleta was planning to sign with Chicago before Washington stepped in with a seven-year deal that was impossible to resist. It was apparent by the time the first paycheck cleared that this was going to be another example of money not well spent by the Redskins.

They were asking a hard-hitting converted linebacker with three interceptions and four forced fumbles to play the pass. He had to learn new techniques, new footwork. He had to do it all, and it didn't work.

Archuleta lost the starting job in the preseason and only regained it for seven games after Pierson Prioleau hurt a knee. He was vulnerable against long passes and wound up being used only on special teams for most of the second half of the season.

Instead of contending for the playoffs, the Redskins finished 5-11.

"He was made the scapegoat," said the Bears' Mike Brown, who is moving from strong safety to free safety. "When you watch tape and you know the kind of system they were playing and the types of things they put on him, it really wasn't his fault. It's always the new guy they're going to blame. He got paid a whole bunch of money, so he's going to get the brunt of the blame."

The demotion became a touchy subject for the Redskins. Coach Joe Gibbs and assistant Gregg Williams did not give an explanation for the benching and showed little patience when asked about it last season, offering only vague comments about how Archuleta performed in practice.

"I'm sure they're glad to be rid of me, and I'm glad to be here," Archuleta said.

He said last season "really taught me about balance." He learned what he can and can't do on the field, but the biggest lesson was this: "I'm allergic to negative people."

Then he smiled.

"I just don't thrive in negative situations," Archuleta said. "That's just not in football. When I'm around a negative person, I can't deal with it. It really shuts me down. Whether that's a friend who's constantly complaining, whether it's a coach who has a negative coaching style, whether it's somebody who's always feeling sorry for themselves -- I just can't deal with it."

The early reviews from the Bears are positive, which is no surprise."

Deep Cover reveals his true colors.

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm out of line for saying so, or I caught your remark to Jack at a bad time, but there's no reason to be indignant...

just my 2 cents...

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious, Nate. Though I knew a girl who could do pretty angry things with a zipper.

Posted by: SMACK | August 16, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hakuna Matata!

Posted by: Simba, Timon, & Pumbaa | August 16, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I propose a blog hook up for a bit of bonhomie and to watch the Steelers game. There's a new sports bar in Mitchellville called My Place. It's in Mitchellville Plaza on Central Avenue (Rte 214) at its intersection with Enterprise Road (Rte 193). I know a few of you posters live in Gorgeous Prince George's. What say you?

Posted by: LH | August 16, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of slamming doors ... Sean Taylor can slam a revolving door.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

With Jack gone, do we still have to apologize to his kids?

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Attaboy, Learned Hand.

I was serious above when I said the thing about how we would all get along way better in person than we do up here. As great as the blog is, it's still just text on a screen. And the differences in us can quickly seem far bigger than they really are.

Whatever, 88,888 awaits...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The answer is 250, if no one has said it yet.

Posted by: Hey Loco! | August 16, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Looking back at Jasno's post, I wonder who all the media schlubs are who gather at the Park for confabs like this debate about the secondary, aside from Bram and maybe Steinbog? Who else is keeping the same Skins vigil out there?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 03:13 PM

I think it would be people like Chic Hernandez, Lindsay Cz, Strawberry Shortcake, other news stations, the Hampton Roads paper, visiting national reporters (I know Don Banks wrote up something after a visit).

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

When is the game?

I would love to go since that's only 5-10 mins from the house. But, if its on Saturday, we taking Moms out to eat since it was her Bday yesterday....

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

A digression. Again.

I know Jasno and others like some minor-league baseball once in a while. Small parks, lower costs, live sports, and sometimes fun promotions.

I may have mentioned this before up here, but the Portland Beavers had a contest to choose between three guys really named Bob L. Head: Bob Leroy, Bob Lee and Bob Louis. B.Leroy won and has been immortalized in a bobblehead doll which will be given out at this Saturday's game.

All three Bob L. Heads will be in attendance at the game, with B.Leroy of course getting VIP treatment.

So that's what I'll be doing during the Steelers game. Good times.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

http://www.portlandbeavers.com/promotions/boblhead/

Funniest thing about the story is that, while of course the focus is on guys with funny names (Bob L-something Head), the Beavers' VP of marketing has the unlikely name Ripper Hatch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

4th - game is on Saturday, 8pm on (Comcast)

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

4th, game is Saturday at 8 pm. I know you live in the urrea. If you can't make it that's cool. We got all season.

Posted by: LH | August 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

new post

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"This is where they fought the battle of Gettysburg. Fifty thousand men died right here on this field, fighting the same fight that we are still fighting among ourselves today. This green field right here, painted red, bubblin' with the blood of young boys. Smoke and hot lead pouring right through their bodies. Listen to their souls, men. I killed my brother with malice in my heart. Hatred destroyed my family. You listen, and you take a lesson from the dead. If we don't come together right now on this hallowed ground, we too will be destroyed, just like they were. I don't care if you like each other of not, but you will respect each other. And maybe... I don't know, maybe we'll learn to blog our guts out like men and reach 88,888."

- Coach Herman Boone (Remember The Titans)

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I'll actually be up in DC this Saturday, but not going to the Skins v Steelers game. I'll be at another game.

Hopefully, I'll be watching the Mets beat up on the Nationals...

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.portlandbeavers.com/promotions/boblhead/

Funniest thing about the story is that, while of course the focus is on guys with funny names (Bob L-something Head), the Beavers' VP of marketing has the unlikely name Ripper Hatch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 03:57 PM "

Ripper Hatch... you must me kidding me!

LMGO

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

F Archuleta

Posted by: F Archuleta | August 16, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dik | August 16, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If archuleta is in fact the "deep throat" from last years tell all story about the defense, I wonder how he fits that into his commments about not wanting to be around negative people - "It's OK for ME to be negative - but everyone else... no way!"

F archuleta, indeed. Was he that stupid that he didn't know what he was getting into when he signed the contract?

Posted by: John D in House | August 16, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Lucious Pusey... AMAZING name. Good hunting, Dik.

This is the filthiest comment I've ever written.

Sorry, whoever we're apologizing to now that Jack is gone.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, I don't think anybody has conclusively determined the identity of Deep Cover.

It might have been Arch, but there were a lot of unhappy dudes playing in our D backfield last year.

I'm just sayin'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The dirty name game. We've been down that road before...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I blame Ripper Hatch for this latest indulgence in the name game.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Thx Nate - got it from Le Batard... wish I could take credit. But happy to share!

And you're right. That's filthy. go wash your keyboard right now!

hahahahah.

Deep Choke, eh.. Throat had to be Arch, didn't it? I mean, if it were someone else - wouldn't it still be ongoing or be retracted? Who broke that interview, anyway?

Posted by: Dik | August 16, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Nobody ever 'fessed up, as far as I recall.

Just as with the original Deep Throat, there were tons of theories, each as valid as the next. But I don't think we know for sure.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Fair point, Nate - I guess we'll have to wait until all parties are dead until the real Deep Choke is revealed.

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 16, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams = Nixon

?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - but if Grilliams is Nixon - Is Bugel Kissinger?

Posted by: John D in House | August 16, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The LB coach who was fired -- he would be Kissinger in this scenario, right?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with most of what was posted but haven't heard the arguement that Taylor and Landry can cover man to man and therefore an extra safety may be needed instead of some 5th corner who couldn't cover Jack. Sorry Jack.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Jimoh cannot play cover D. Anyone who needs a ten-yard cushion and still can't make a play............well enough said. I will say he is good in Special Teams, but I say keep Fox.

Posted by: lurgee5177 | August 16, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen a corner committ PI (and be flagged for it), give up a touchdown and get a personal foul for taunting all in the same play, until JaBlows did it vs. Giants last year. He is the defination of arena league talent. As a gunner on special teams, he gets pancaked more than he makes a hit; give another man that job and you'd get three times the tackles. Let's keep Fox, Doughty, or my little sister of Jimoh...

Posted by: JaBlows | August 24, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

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