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Before I spend the rest of the night watching the World Series and finishing off this big story set to run this weekend, wanted to fulfill a promise and put my $.02 as to why I don't see the Jeff Fisher stuff happening.

One, I don't see Gibbs walking just yet.

Two, I think the Titans will pick the coach over the GM and keep him.

Three, I don't think Fisher would want to work with Saunders, which means a complete overhaul of the offensive coaching staff and all of Gibbs's old buddies out on the street for good if Fisher comes here. And as team pres., which we'd have to assume Gibbs would remain if nothing else, I don't see him letting that happen to his boys.

Five, Gregg Williams and Fisher are super tight and Jeff would have plenty of coaching options, If his coming to Ashburn would block Double G from getting the head coaching gig here, I don't see him coming.

Randoms: Did any of you guys make it to the Frank Black show Sunday? I like the review in The Post today. I'm sure it rocked ... I think I have a man/mammal/cartoon crush on Moose A. Moose. He's my frickin hero. Dude writes the catchiest tunes. Unless you have kids of a certain age, this will mean nothing to you. The rest of you feel me on this on, I know it ...

Started getting the first few blog bios in email. I set up a file and will put all of them in there. When Cindy comes back from vacation next week we'll go to the web guys and see what we have to do to get that and Meg's FAQs posted permanently. I'm way down with MV Dame's format, so I say we stick with that unless you guys overrule me.

Here's his format:
NAME: List your regular moniker.
AKA: List any and all aliases you may have (such as AMTTS, LimerickMan, Queen Bee, etc.).
PCP: List your current location for this season. PCP stands for Pub Crawl Potential. This may come in handy when one of us is traveling and we need to find some brethren to commiserate with. ("Hey, I'm going to be in Montreal for the Philly game. What's my PCP up there?")
POSSE: List any and all other Redskins Insider bloggers that you know "in real life" (such as AMTTS, The Governor, and that crew).
CLAIM TO FAME: What do we know you for? Do you provide us with weekly quarterback stats? Are you a HaikuMan wannabe? Did you coin the word "shabingus," "archubingus," etc.? Do you write in all caps and scream about boohoo boxes? Really, no limit here but let's try to keep it simple and concise cause there are a lot of us.

I did have one suggestion. Thought we could also add a section ranking the degree of your blogcrush on Megskin as well?

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JLC, what happened to point number four? hahaha

Wilbon and Tony K were talking about Gibbs today on PTI. They both agree that they don't think there is any chance that Gibbs would go out on a lackluster or failure laden effort. I agree with them (and you). He's a Hall of Famer and a winner. He doesn't quit on an 8-8 season.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 25, 2006 9:24 PM | Report abuse

There once was a Coach from DC.
Mediocrity he would not flee!
Rather than pout,
He'd fight his guts out
Cuz there's no place he'd rather be!

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | October 25, 2006 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Tiki is Gone! i know that's no news but i just watched "inside nfl" on h(a)bo and they did a piece on tiki. OMG! one word to describe him. MOTIVATED. i mean who the F gets up at 3 AM on their off days? after you'been beat up playing rb in the nfl?!

he's got so much going for him. i didn't know that he actually has a real tv job. doing a show called "fox &friends" in the am in ny. charities, functions, family (he coulda done better ;) )...

heck if i was him i'd leave too.

both mr. fatso and midget(no offense intended to little people) agreed that tiki is retiring.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 10:14 PM | Report abuse

... I don't see him letting that happen to his boys....

that really sucks dude! i mean c'mon. why do we owe this to joe? wtf has he done for us? why should we have to suffer so he can help out his friends? this kinda crap P me Off.

okay, i'll say it. i know i might be a bit woozy with all the goods stuff in me but here it is: i wish he had never come back!

there i said it.

if he had said no to danny, we'd be 2 years closer to be getting a real gm in here. now we got to wait the whole F-in 5 years of this crap( "...feel sorry for the fans, the owner, VINNY...")

i do like fisher.

but jason, do you hear anyone at all around the NFL mention Russ Grimm for any jobs (asistant head coach level at least?)? or am i just reaching and being nostalgic?

also i don't understand. is jeff fisher a defensive dude or offensive dude? sorry i couldn't make that out from your post.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 10:25 PM | Report abuse

is jeff fisher a defensive dude or offensive dude?

Fisher has always been about the D. He was a defensive back and punt returner for the Bears until he got injured and became Buddy Ryan's disciple.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Campbell got all the snaps again yesterday. Another step closer to being on the field.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 7:24 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I gotta believe that's a good sign. Sounds like Saunders might not be happy with Brunell.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 7:28 AM | Report abuse

My rah-rah side wants to believe that a QB change is imminent. My rational side tells me that they're just really trying to rest up Brunell through most of the next two weeks.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 26, 2006 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Are we to assume Saunders will even be around after this year? Is his dismissal even a remote possibility? I have to imagine it is. Same with Williams, but to a lesser extent.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 26, 2006 7:46 AM | Report abuse


No need to worry. I just finished my training with Lord Vader. He has taught me all of the Jedi mind tricks. If Coach Joe doesn't make a change soon. I will use my new found powers on him. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I hope that was the peppermint schnapps talking. I know it's been tough, but Joe has done a lot of good things too these past two and a half years.

AND with all the other coaches out there that want GM duties along with coaching responsibilities, coupled with theDanny's need for control, there is NO GUARANTEE that he would have brought in a GM.


Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 7:49 AM | Report abuse

No words can describe the 180 degree turn the skins are in now.

Water logged defense and Flimsy offense, the top coachs in the NFL, Premier Players, mucho denaro and no DRIVE!

No Machine, just Bicycle!

Posted by: Rico111 | October 26, 2006 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Wes, with all of the upheaval and change, etc., Saunders needs to be here. I don't see him being dismissed. I don't even see it as a remote possibility. We have a proven offensive system and coach in place, who has aspirations of being a head coach. Let's keep the system and create some stability.


Resign OUR FAs, draft some new guys, MAYBE add a role-playing FA or two and some rookie UFAs to compete for backup roster and practice squad spots, but that's it.

I really feel the hallmark of Joe Gibbs II needs to be stability. We haven't had that in a looonng time.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Buck. Let's have stability. Worst case scenario for me is Joe the Pres and not the coach. Hopefully he has the good sense to leave entirely when he leaves.

He casts for too long a shadow to stay in any function.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I'll have to go with Peter King and I fully expect to see the following sentence soon:

"Charlie Weis introduced as new Redskins coach for five years, 60 million."

Posted by: tallbear | October 26, 2006 8:35 AM | Report abuse

LOL JLaC - you like Moose? So Zee doesn't do it for you? But seriously, we watch a LOT of Noggin at our house too. My son's favorite shows are Blue's Clues, Dora the Explorer, and Go Diego Go, so I see a lot of Moose on the weekends. I can practically sing his songs now (I had "I Don't Like Candy Corn" stuck in my head for two days!).

Now back to our regularly scheduled Redskins commiseration...

Posted by: bandwagon blues | October 26, 2006 8:40 AM | Report abuse


I really don't see that. If anything I see double G being the head coach. And please do not bring a certain person name up on the blog.(PK)My dislike for him grows every day.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 8:41 AM | Report abuse

With Campbell taking all the snaps with the first team the last two days. Does this mean he will be at least the number 2 guy?

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 8:56 AM | Report abuse

thanks meg. then my opinion of double G changes a bit. fish's a better d coach than double g and an even better hc. imnsho

skinz, and all you patient people, i'm just so sick of losing. i drank the Skool-aid after jax win. the whole bucket of it. thinking maybe, maybe everyone in the nfl is wrong and these geniuses in ashburn have figured out the perfect formula to build a good team. i was wrong.

as my sex/aids teacher in 9th grade at AHS told me when i asked her if the doctors have tried to fight the AIDS virus by injecting another disease virus "sweetheart, there are a lot of smart people, doctors and scientist working on this cure, with a lot more experience than a 9th grader, i'm pretty sure they've tried everything you and i can think of...anymore questions?" ITCH!

and i'm sure that's the way gibbs would feel too had someone told him "joe, i'm pretty sure other owners might've tried it(buy a championship) and looked at that theory and discarded it because it's very flawed..."

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 8:59 AM | Report abuse


I'm not even saying that. My feeling is this. Joe can stay till the end of his contract for all I care. I mean the guy has been back for two full seasons and been to the playoffs half of them. So it's not like he's stinking up the joint.

Once he's gone, let's hire a GM. Not Vinny the Ninny but a real one who actually is the boss. Bobby Beathard type of guy. If Danny hates keeping all the money he charges us, go get Scott Peoli up in New England.

Then say to Peoli or whoever GM. You have 5 years to get me a Championship. 3 years to get me to the playoffs.

Dealer you are saying you are sick of losing but conceding that you can't buy a championship. I'm sick of losing but if I saw us building something and having some sort of plan I could stand it. If our payroll was low and we had a ton of young players then fine i can do 6-10 for a year.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, JM. With the ongoing fiasco with Art Monk and the HOF, that name should not be spoken without spitting on the ground and stomping. May shabingas fall from the heavens on that man's head....

As much as I'd hope for some team stability, I'm not entirely sure it will last. There's going to be more upheaval with the players to be had.

Free agency is the Good Humor ice cream truck to JoGi's inner child. He'll go 'oooh' and 'ahhh' at the players available, and pick up a few more, rather than trying to draft to bring new blood straight into the Skins system. Meanwhile, you have Grilliams assuming he can go Lowest Common Denominator on players with a 'foolproof' system, while Saunders gets what expensive tools he wants - except for the players that would replace what JoGi's deemed untouchable.

If there's anything that's good to this bad season, it's that Grilliams
has been served a huge chunk of humble pie. He won't be jetsetting to a head coaching job somewhere, and he'll have to reconsider his personnel and coaching approaches, as well. Hopefully, it'll be for the better.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 26, 2006 9:12 AM | Report abuse

All the pieces to the puzzle are there on offense, except the QB. Keep Al Saunders and find a QB.

The defense needs to get healthy, and they need some more depth before next season, especially at Safety and CB.

Posted by: Max | October 26, 2006 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I love how fickle fans are. Grilliams has had wild success on the defensive side of the football at every stop, including our very own Redskins, and everyone is ready to throw him under the bus for 7 bad games. That's just funny. I still think he would make a great head coach -- he made a bunch of mistakes at his first gig but has now had the opportunity to learn from the best.

Regardless, Gibbs ain't going anywhere. And neither is Saunders. If you haven't realized it yet (which would just amaze me), Gibbs is not a "quick trigger" type of guy. He's not going to pull the plug on Saunders just because the first 7 games have started out poorly.

Plus, you think it's bad now? Think how bad it will be if the Romo-led Cowgirls beat us in 2 weeks.

Did anyone find out what Gibbs gave out to the dissed fans? My money is on autographed bibles.

Posted by: CMoney | October 26, 2006 9:19 AM | Report abuse

skinz, we want the same thing. i just want it sooner. you're willing to wait till the end of joe's contract. i'm not. i've seen enough. this team needs to be like every other team in the nfl. there's 1000's of years (100+ years times 32) of experience in doing it the way the other nfl teams do it. not all smart people can be wrong at the same time.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 9:24 AM | Report abuse


I with you. I not going to throw Grilliams under the bus. Not with the work he has done the last couple of years with really no support from the O. He does lose some points for the off season moves.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 9:27 AM | Report abuse

...My money is on autographed bibles.

CMoney, that's mean! take it back!

and i'm not saying double g is bad i'm saying he's not as good as fisher.

and we're all (the regs on here) saying the same thing. from the start...that their org structure needs to mirror a normal nfl team. to have success.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Unless Gregg turns around the defense really quickly, I'm sure the Danny will once again fall for the "sexy" pick and throw whatever stupid amount of money it would take. After all, if there's anything we know for sure, it's that Dan loves his stars and Gregg's is a little dimmer right now. Continuity? I don't think Dan knows what that is.

As for the big idiot, I hate him too, but he did bring up the thought first.

Posted by: tallbear | October 26, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse


I still believe in Grilliams. I don't think he'll be a great HC though. If you heard him interviewed in the Pre-Season it was Gregg Williams is happy to be in Washington. Gregg Williams got offers to be a HC other places but didn't want to move. Who talks like that? He's got a huge ego and until he checks it he will never be a good HC.

He let Smoot, Peirce and many others walk out of here because he felt like it was all his system and not the players. He allowed his Asst. coaches to bad mouth players to the media and get in squables. Sorry you aren't going to get players to check their egos and the coach needs to be the bigger more mature man about it.


What choice do we have? I mean you get rid of Gibbs and start cutting people? Who are you going to cut? All those deals will accellerate and guess what happens when you go over the cap and can't get under it? They take away draft picks.

At this point we've made our bed for the next 3 or 4 years with contracts to Samuels, Carter, Archabingus, etc. and now we are going to sleep in it whether we like it or not.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

skinz, what do you think is going to happen in the next 2/3 years? they're going to make more deals like the one's they've made previously. and treat draft pick as if they're allergens. so pretend it's 2009. with the same number of players under bad contracts.

btw, marty got rid of the cap and bad contracts in one year. it can happen.

but i agree with you on double g and letting his assistants do what they did.

CMoney, to repent for your sin you must make 3 comments on "nfl insider"'s blog.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't know where all this nonsense about Fisher comes from, but any of you who think our lord and savior Gibbs is walking away from coaching the Skins before he gets to the Super Bowl or his contract expires is simply smoking crack. He will find himself a top notch GM before he does that, and that would be my guess for his next big off season acquisition. If he can give up calling the offensive plays, he can give up picking talent and his "character" guys.

Posted by: Jesus Gibbs | October 26, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Too much emphasis on Coach Joe, who will work it out in the end. But none of this quarterback, Al Saunders, or GM stuff matters if the rest of the team doesn't start earning its keep! I don't see where anybody is truly playing their GUTS OUT!! (okay, maybe a select few).

Perhaps I am too old school, but when I make a commitment (sign a contract and accept $), I honor its terms.

These guys signed their contracts and receive regular ASTRONOMICAL paychecks, and now don't produce. That paycheck (and the possibility of a ring) should be the only incentive necessary. It's not like they have part-time jobs they have to run to at the end of the day to support their families.

It's simple, they need to do the job they were hired to do: learn the plays (I know it's hard, but they are professional athletes, they've been doing this for a long time and they don't really have anything else to do, damn it), tackle, block, run, throw, kick, hold onto the ball and avoid penalties.

To avoid penalties, they must first grow up -- it is NOT being "a man" to give up 15 yards because they didn't like what he did or said to you on the field -- it is being professional. If they don't get it, they should go ask #28 or 81!

Ahh, I feel better now.

Posted by: Dana C. | October 26, 2006 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Interesting knowledge that J-La dropped on us: the Titans might dump the GM and keep the coach. I've wondered often how Floyd Reese maintains his job. The "normal" nfl structure of that team runs about as well as Jason's Jetta.

The Thumbtacks drafts VERY poorly (e.g. Adam Jones) and have a salary cap purge every 4-5 years. The way they did their franchise quarterback this year showed that Reese is a bama for life. The only reason that team wins any games is because of Fisher and his staff.

This is the risk you assume when you declare, "We need a GM with final say. Any one will do." You could end up with a bama like Reese (or Casserly -- just ask Houston) jacking up your team.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 26, 2006 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Carter, Archabingus, etc. and now we are going to sleep in it

My guess is the only reason they started looking at Archubingus is because they were concerned about losing The Reaper to jail time. It was the same sort of panic attack they had when Portis went down in pre-season and they ran out and got Duckett.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh

I disagree about Casserly. I think he was against the Mario move and that's why he bounce. There is no why you take him over R. Bush.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Very good points.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Archabingus is still cuttable, right? I mean, the damage done by cutting him this year would be less than his overall cost, right? Whenever I wonder who is on this team just to get a paycheck his name consistently comes to mind first.
Maybe that's giving him a bad rap, maybe, but he hasn't done much to dissuade my thinking on that.

Damn Megskin, you're up and at the blogs often and early! Is there a little colombian man and his donkey bringing piping hot coffee into that cave every morning?

Posted by: Helmfish | October 26, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Actually Helmfish I'm about to pass out from lack of caffeine at the moment. I'm dragging today.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Damn Megskin, you're up and at the blogs often and early! Is there a little colombian man and his donkey bringing piping hot coffee into that cave every morning?

Helmfish, that is just not right. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Meg, they have entirely different skill sets. One is a Run-stopping strong safety with little cover skills. The other is a do it all free safety expected (rather foolishly) to do everything.

I think Grilliams had the idea that between ST, SS and Rogers they'd just play 8 in the box all day and have Archabingus blitz whenever they felt like sacking the QB.

Archabingus would count something like 6 million against the cap this year if we cut him. (Not a good idea when we have to sign ST this offseason.) Best case scenario with him is we let him make a deal with the Bears in the offseason then he buys back his contract like Lavar did.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse


We can only hope. Because Archabingus just sucks.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

New to this but here goes:
The front office has to be revamped quickly. I don't buy into this Duckett insurance policy one bit. They did it to keep him away from the eagles because thats the kind of no brain scouts and front office people they have. I mean come on If danny was smart he would have offred the GM to a certain man who lives in MD name ohhI think Ron Wolfe , He dealt with some serious ego's in greenbay (Holmgren,Mooch,Gruden)

Posted by: SadSkinzfan | October 26, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Welcome. It won't ever happen while Gibbs is here. You'd have Gibbs the President being your boss and supposedly as GM Gibbs the Coach works for you.

Why would Wolfe walk into a situation with an impetous owner an employee that is also your boss.

Not that I wouldn't love to see it happen though.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If Gibbs decides to stay on as team president and not coach, I could see a paring down of the staff and a fresh up-and-coming coach from the family brought in. Who? Russ Grimm. Remember, Gibbs wanted him but Cowyer blocked that move. I think it'd be a good situation, if we think Gibbs can be good at either coaching or personel moves but not both.

Posted by: Icarus | October 26, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I mean it's like the skins are cursed or soemthing, even when they make good moves they blow up in out face. I guess frustration is setting in. But I mean really archu"gonna cover anyone?"letta was dumb dumb dumb I mean he is the reason why we usually beat the rams. Weve been passing on him for years.

Posted by: SadSkinzFan | October 26, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Whenever I wonder who is on this team just to get a paycheck his name consistently comes to mind first. Maybe that's giving him a bad rap, maybe, but he hasn't done much to dissuade my thinking on that."

I feel that's a little harsh. He might not be that good, but that's gDubbs fault for signing him. He's leading our team in tackles, and appears to play hard (albeit out of position) whenever he's on the field. Claiming he's just here to get a paycheck is a kind of character assasination that we don't need.

I can take the Skins criticisms from our own, but I feel we need to draw the line at a point. Let's keep it constructive.

Sorry for the rant...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you I don't think he is here just to collect a paycheck, To play devils advocate however :Can you say there is a leader on this team? I mean a bonafide leader on that defence? I understand when you lose youre more inclined to become inept but wow are these guys really JOe Gibbs guys??

Posted by: SadSkinzFan | October 26, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse


"If Gibbs decides to stay on as team president and not coach, I could see a paring down of the staff and a fresh up-and-coming coach from the family brought in. Who? Russ Grimm".

Don't see that happening. Remember double G is next in line for the job. Even if they boy him out and give it to Russ. Can you really see double G hanging around?

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

JM, just for the record, Casserly got bounced. Or they mutually agreed that he would bounce or be bounced. In any case, he's not working for CBS because he was TOO good at his job.

And even if you excuse him of the Mario pick, he was the guy who built the Texans before there even was a Texans. The botched expansion draft and the inability to keep Carr vertical is on him. He was the architect and the GM with final say on everything and he blew it.

My only point here (really, there is one) is that having a GM is not a cure-all. If the GM sucks like Reese and (in my opinion) Casserly, then we're no better than if Snyder, Vinny, and Pepper Rodgers are running the show.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 26, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me what is so great about Jeff Fisher???? His team has not had a winning season in several years. I realize they had to start over again after cutting players due to salary cap hell but still.....and his moustache is horrid!!!

As I've stated many times on this blog, it's my understanding that Saunders offense usually takes a year or two (horrors!) to master so cutting him after one season would be just plain stupid...and it ain't happening. Also understand that Saunders offense worked really well in KC due to their great O line (with Willie Roaf) so that explains some of the difficulties we are having.

Posted by: Lisa | October 26, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

SadSkinzFan, great question! Who is the leader of the defense? I get the feeling sometimes that Grilliams wants to be the only leader. Hence, the indifference about letting leaders like Pierce & LaVar leave.

If I had to guess, I'd say there's not one guy, but a few players who lead the team. Washington, Wynn, & Salave'a come to mind because they're vocal and they answer to the media when the team struggles. I wonder what J-La sees?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 26, 2006 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"we're no better than if Snyder, Vinny, and Pepper Rodgers are running the show."

Take that back. Take that back right now.

I'm not suggesting any GM is a cure-all. GM's tend to be judged on a longer arc and as a result tend to think long-term. Coaches always look at whats best on the field right now.

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 11:12 AM | Report abuse

One of my buddies just named all of the Skins players that he's NOT mad at right now; the guys who have done at least something good to stay off the sh*t list. The list is such: Marcus, Santana, Sellars, 'Twan, Clinton, R.Thomas, Kedric Golston.

Happily (and somewhat desperately), I noted that other than RandyT, Gibbs is responsible for all of those guys being here.

SadSkinzFan, I think Marcus is definitely a leader (did you guys see him trying to calm Frost on the sidelines after his moronic penalty?). Clinton has been, but I wonder how he is doing now with his disappointment in the "system."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The leaders are probably many. If I had to name one my guess would be.....Philip Daniels

Posted by: Skinz | October 26, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I wonder Grilliams has had great defence's where ever he goes and he comes from the Buddy Ryan system ,Is it possible that the league has caught up to his system?? And maybe he just needs to readjust. Of course can anyone show me a good defense that losses a starting CB and both defensive tackles that does good?

Posted by: SadSkinzFan | October 26, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Meg, they have entirely different skill sets. One is a Run-stopping strong safety with little cover skills. The other i...

Oh damn, you're right.

he'd just play 8 in the box all day and have Archabingus blitz

It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, because he sure can't cover.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, P. Daniels was the other guy I was thinking of. He seems to take losing seriously and personally. He goes on the "good" list just because of that.

Santana is temporarily on the s-list. Sorry, but that headbutting non-sense didn't help. I'm not saying he's on it for good (Brunell), but he has to sit in the corner for a couple more days.

And, no, I won't take it back. Vinny has had more success with his wacky trades and free agency than a traditional GM like Matt Millen. I stand by my statemtent... it could be worse. Much worse.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 26, 2006 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Lisa --

Fisher is well respected because he jumps up and down and does the Tiger fist pump whenever his team makes a big play. Any coach who is that emotionally transparent must be great.

Posted by: CMoney | October 26, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Sad --

I also would love to see Ron Wolf as the Skins' GM. This team desperately needs a STRONG personnel person that can implement a long-term plan for success. Vinny may or may not be a good evaluator of talent, but he is way too much of a "yes man" to The Owner Formerly Known As The Danny and Gibbs.

Posted by: CMoney | October 26, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh

A GM is not going to solve all the problems we have. Nor do I think it is the biggest problem we have.
1. Brunell
2. O Line
3. D Line
4. Brunell
5. CB
You get the idea. And we have all said the same thing over and over again. Stop with all of the FA and keep some of the good people that are already here and proven themselves.(this doesn't include Brunell)

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So, I've tried to be creative in offering my ideas about turning this team around:

1. Getting the team together by having them engage in a bench clearing fight like when FIU took on the Hurricanes in the Roll At The Bowl.

2. Getting the team together to rent a couple of houseboats to spend a nice relaxing evening on the lake with some of their closest friends like the Vikings did so well. Silky Johnson (Smoot) could even drive one of the boats.

3. Drafting football's equivalent of the Hansen Brothers to help get this team fired up a little. Yes, watched it again last night just for the laugh. "When you go to jail, they give you a dime and you can make one call..." "Let's call the pizza man!"

So, with such brilliant, creative and new thinking I present the latest idea to bring this team closer together.

How about a scavenger hunt?

I'm thinking something in the Miami area since so many of the guys are from the U anyway and will probably be down there during their off-time.

Break them up into teams and give them lists of things to find:

1. Pat Riley's hair gel stash
2. Larry Coker's career
3. The end of the rap sheet for the current Hurricanes roster (that should take awhile)
4. Sean Taylor's ATVs

Now THAT's how you build chemistry!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Ali Haji Shank

Let's take it to the tunnel after the game and finsh this.We ready! We ready! We ready!

lol I know that was wrong for him to say and he got fired for it. But it was still funny. I know something is wrong with me. It could be my supplements.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I heard that guy on the radio doing an interview about why he got fired about a week after the fight. Hilarious! That guy should have his own show. I can't remember his name, but boy is that video of them fighting so much better with his audio.

Think about it, a nice little rumble for the Skins. What do we have to lose? So a few players get suspended -- just make sure it's the injured ones doing the really egregious stuff, they would be sitting out anyway, right?

What better time to do it than against Satan's Team coming up?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought the thread stops on blogs when a new one is displayed.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 26, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Locker room that what we're looking for here? A little Gordan Gecko pep talk post Anacot Steel, pre Blue Star Airlines? "I'm going to make you rich, Bud Fox. So rich, you're going to be able to actually afford a girl like Darien". What turned it around last year? The pathetic loss to Oakland at home wasn't good enough. It took a trouncing from SD for the "5 in a row" talk to start (I was in the venetian sports book sorrounded by Charger fans for that, shoot me in the face!).

Alas I digress, again. Camaradarie, my point was about camaradarie. You lose Ryan Clark, Lavar is gone, even Robert Royal, those guys were a team. Clark gave leadership. Does Arch? Identity. Passion. Fire. Intesity. We're flat right now.

"Greed captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit". Skins just aren't hungry right now.

Blue Horse Shoe Loves Anacot Steel,

Pub Golf

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 26, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse


What better time to do it than against Satan's Team coming up?

LMAO. You know both of us needs some help.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Good point 4th floor -- I should probably copy and paste my ideas to the new one, huh?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem is that we have 52 players and 21 coaches. Put that many people in a room together and I guarantee they won't agree on anything. In my opinion, this shows on the field. We can't seem to figure out if we are a run heavy, pass heavy, or balanced offense. It also shows with players being out of position or making mental errors on the defense. There are too many chefs in the kitchen. The players are probably confused because they are getting mixed messages from all the different coaches, who all want things done their way.

Posted by: Max | October 26, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Greed is Good, PG, Greed is Good!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is basically coaching the coaches not the players. Gibbs is trying to instill his philosophy in his coaching staff, and he hopes that translates down from his coaching staff to the players. I don't think Gibbs actually does much coaching of the players themselves. Hopefully, JLaC could verify this for me, and let me know if I'm full of crap.

Posted by: Max | October 26, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Brunell's profile from

Career Highlights

Brunell has established himself as one of the top players at his position in the NFL during his 13 seasons in the league. Known for his deft passing ability as well as his ability to tuck the ball and run, Brunell is a playmaker. He adds experience and a winning character and attitude to the Redskins offense. He has started 141-of-147 games and has completed 2,576-of-4,334 passes for 30,037 yards, 174 touchdowns and 102 interceptions. He is a three-time Pro Bowl selection (1996, '97 and '99) and a two-time first alternate (1998 and 2001). Prior to the Redskins, Brunell played for Jacksonville for nine seasons (1995-2003) and set 43 team records. He led the Jaguars in passing each of the franchise's first eight seasons, the longest streak of any NFL expansion team's quarterback.

Posted by: Max | October 26, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! I'm afraid to ask what the profile of Todd Vodka Collins is....

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse


Pay close attention to the years all those great things he did. Late 90's early, 01,02,03. What has he done since becoming a skins other than saving Coach Joe's life?

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Todd Collins, recipient of the Nobel Prize and Congressional Medal of Honor...."

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

tallbear, shame on you quoting Peter King! I cannot abide Charlie "Front Butt" Weis as coach (note: front butt is the condition where your gut stick out under your belt) of our beloved Threadskins. [And its not just b/c I deplore NBC's Team of Every Year, Notre Dame ... apologies to MV Dame, but I'm a fan of the redundantly named Collapsing MSU Spartans]. NO MORE college coaches moving right to head coach! $nyderly Whiplash must have learned his lesson with Spurrier. If its going to be a college coach, they MUST have built at least TWO college programs AND been an assistant first (I'm telling you, Saban has a future in this league).

Also, back to Megskin's cogent historical reminder about why Gibbs genetically cannot and will not bench Brunell ... is there any history about why he would TRADE UP to draft a quarterback in the first round? Was that just a desperation move like the insurance signings of Archubingus (ST insurance) and Duckett (CP insurance)? I know that he was not loving Brunell or Ramsey, but why would St. Joe of all people rely on the DRAFT for insurance at the QB position?

Finally, belated kudos to Megskin on the writeup on TheissmaBrunell. You SHOULD quit your day job and become a writer (unless you are already a writer). Nice narrative arc and roadmapping to keep the reader involved. thx!

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, even though you are a Sparty fan, I still know that we can be friends through our common bond -- the Skins. Alas, I am a Wolverine.

I do think that you should read this article from ESPN's Page 2 (by DJ Gallo). It is hilarious.

Screw Charlie Weis.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, the link didn't show. Try this:

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 26, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Zee is cool, too, but M A. M rocks. How can you pick just one favorite song? "You Belong To A Family" "Belive in Spring" "The Warm and Fuzzy Song"

On the Fisher front, as many have notes, he is a D coach, but he has strong O philosophies, too and I don't see him going with Saunders when he wants to run the ball 40 times a game in this scenario.
I don't see it happening at all.
Weiss, god, that would be the classic The Snyder move, eh?

Glad someone caugh me skipping point four. That was actually by design and not my usual typo/mental mistakes.
Just keeping you guys on your toes.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 26, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What most people fail to realize, and perhaps even Joe Gibbs, is that Brunell is relatively short for a QB at 6"0, causing him to have a difficult time seeing over the 6'6 linemen, and also making it difficult to throw a pass in the pocket without the ball getting tipped or batted down. Much of Brunell's success early in his career was because of his ability to scramble out of the pocket and create time to complete something downfield. If the play wasn't there he could run 10-15 yards and still pick up the first down. His mobility was key to his success throughout his career, including last year. If he wasn't able to scramble to pick up first downs with his legs last year we probably wouldn't have won 5 in a row, and we definitely wouldn't have won 10 games. This year he has lost even more mobility and I can't recall him ever scrambling for a first down in the first 7 games. He has never really been a prototype pocket passer, and now that he can't rely on his legs to make plays, he's really lost his bread-and-butter. He's totally lost his identity as a QB. And everybody in the NFL sees it except for Gibbs. But he will see the light sooner or later, but it's just painful to watch.

Posted by: Max | October 26, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

...about losing The Reaper to jail time...

meg, i'm digging that. because they needed more help on D line (at the end and tackle position) and O line depth.

and skinz, when have their moves actually made any sense? CP gets hurt (a slasher, speedster) and they sign a bruiser duckett?

and guys, meg wasn't up at 7 am and commenting on this blog. the blog software has the wrong time zone timestamp. i think the time zone they have is CDT or EST. we're in EDT.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's see ... what else befuddles me? Oh, yeah: How you claim to hold everything about Notre Dame sacred, yet spend every Saturday afternoon on the sideline dropping F-bombs every other word and cussing out officials, all in the shadow of "Touchdown Jesus" and with a priest standing a few yards away. Sure, that's being a bit picky, I suppose, but I'm #^&*ing befuddled by it nonetheless.

Oh that one was funny.

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 1:31 PM | Report abuse


Did you just claim the "pre-meditated type-o"??? DAGGER. That might lead to shoddy statistics quoting, Cowboy Fan Friend Facilitation, and maybe even Pro-Bush propoganda on this very BLOG!!!


Shall we silently agree to keep it pure? The number 1,2,3," ",5 is no longer allowed here.

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 26, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I didn't say it was a good idea. Just that it would totally fit the Dan Snyder MO.

Personally, it's much more important to me that the Redskins take a "NO MORE TRADING DRAFT PICKS AWAY and build from within" stance. And recognize good role players and not let them get away just to sign another "big name".

Posted by: tallbear | October 26, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

meg wasn't up at 7 am and commenting on this blog. the blog software has the wrong time zone timestamp

If it is supposed to be showing EST, it is one hour behind.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

jason, you don't have to worry about saunders. he's cheap at $2 mil a year. that's a small tax writeoff for mr. snyder. and gibbs looks like aint too happy with mr. saunders and his running wide all the time neither. it seems to me he overthinks things. "we decided to pass on 3rd and 1 on friday for a game on sunday?" classic!

so if snyder really wants fisher he'll get him.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

we're on EDT not EST. we will be on EST starting sunday morning.

Posted by: dealer | October 26, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

tallbear, cool by me. sorry for overreacting.

Bucktown, tremendous! Perfect for my bye week gloom. [Also, thanks for acknowledging the rivalry. So many of my U of M fans disparage it as a rivalry, preferring to think that the perenielly better OSU are their rivals. Don't get me wrong, I'm conveniently from Cleveland w/ Buckeye in my blood. I'm secretly pulling for Troy for the Heisman. Just don't get me started on Brady Quinn.]

I can picture the conversation now between Charlie Weis and Peter King (over multiple bacon cheeseburgers and triple fat decaf lattes), "Peter, start talking me up as the Redskins coach; the pantry is getting low and I know $nyder will feed me." Can you imagine what he would do with our short receivers!?!?!!? Like that scene in the second Austin Powers movie when Fat Bas***rd is chasing Mini Me, "Come 'ere, Santanee, I'm gonna eat ya ... GET IN MY BELLY!"

Seriously, I agree that what the team needs is stability ... and a new colorful cornerback who both is a charismatic leader and can pick a pass or three.

Posted by: dcsween | October 26, 2006 1:49 PM | Report abuse


That one made my day. lmao

Posted by: jm220 | October 26, 2006 1:59 PM | Report abuse

You think #28 is still in good enough shape to crack the starting lineup? (OK, hell, we're all in good enough shape for that). Last I recall, he was a pretty good leader...

And while we're bringing them back, let's get Dexter back in pads. Mabye sack somebody.

Hail (wheeze...)

Posted by: Cruzer | October 26, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I am indeed copping to a premediated typo.
The statement about Saunders being just fine when he ahs the right QB sounds more and more true to me.
Getting the D turned around could be much more difficult.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 26, 2006 7:30 PM | Report abuse

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