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Ryan Torain not yet a cure for Redskins' run game

In his first game as the starting running back for the Redskins, second-year running back Ryan Torain did not overwhelm. Nor did he solve the woes that have plagued the Washington running game this season.

Torain finished with 40 yards on 16 carries, an average of 2.5 yards per attempt, and four receptions for 27 yards. The Redskins called his number just three times in the fourth quarter and overtime. But after two years of waiting for another chance to start, Torain spoke positively of the outing.

"It's been a long time waiting, sitting out last year, so basically I just wanted to go out there and show the coaches that they didn't make a mistake," Torain said. "I'm excited to be out there."

It was Torain's first start since Nov. 6, 2008 when he was a rookie with the Denver Broncos. Injuries derailed the early promise Torain showed, and he sat out all of 2009 waiting for an opportunity before Washington signed him this offseason.

After being released and spending time on the practice squad, Torain was signed to the active roster and was named the starter when Clinton Portis suffered a groin injury.

There were not many holes for Torain to hit throughout the game, with Green Bay's line often penetrating and forcing Torain to grind out tough yards. Torain's job was made more difficult by the Redskins' revolving door offensive line.

Injuries forced Washington to cobble together an offensive line that included back-up Will Montgomery at right guard, starting guard Artis Hicks at right tackle and back-up tackle Stephon Heyer at left tackle. But Torain praised the unit's effort under the circumstances.

"It was tough," Torain said. "But everybody works hard, everybody practices, everybody knows the plays, so it wasn't that big of an adjustment, because we've got faith in our guys to get out there and get it done."

Is it time for Anthony Armstrong to start over Joey Galloway? Give us your opinion in The Tailgate Zone.

By Paul Tenorio  | October 11, 2010; 10:54 AM ET
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Interesting note from espn.com:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers sent at least five pass-rushers on 40 percent of their defensive snaps. But in the second half, McNabb had a 141.4 passer rating in those situations. Obviously he was harassed throughout the game, but the Redskins made enough adjustments after halftime to survive.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think this team will definitely get this ground game going with Torian

Posted by: Skinzs4life | October 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Torain means I gain positive yards on the earth in Welsh/Roman dialect

Posted by: ElYeah | October 11, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I have two tickets to the colts game if anyone would like them along with parking pass, can't go now due to Son's pop warner game if interested: dehulme at att dot net

Posted by: connskins | October 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse


psp, HTTR and have a nice day

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the downer Paul T. Why don't you go and play in the street. Yes we didn't run all over the packers but try to remember they have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

Our offense is a work in progress but is starting to get its legs. Despite that, they've scored enough points in every game to give this team a chance.

Go suck an egg and take your negativity with you. This team is on the ups. They're competitive and play with heart and intensity. Enough said.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Ugly wins count too. Just win baby!


Oct 11, 2010 - No one should mistake this version of the Redskins with the 1991 Super Bowl team, but they are in first place in the NFC East and have the first winning streak since 2008. As mentioned last week in this column, there is still LOTS of room for improvement on this team. However, as the "late" great Al Davis once said, "Just Win Baby!" (I know he's still alive ... legally anyway).

http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2010/10/11/1743209/packers-vs-redskins-win-nfl-week-5-reaction-analysis

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 11, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned with injury updates regarding our two starting OTs.

I think if the O-line could be healthy TOGETHER for more than 3 quarters, the run game could have more consistency.

Posted by: elfreako | October 11, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Also.

The Skins were really playing with fire leaving Dockery inactive. Don't do that again boys.

Posted by: elfreako | October 11, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Brownwood and double beep for the real posts of some writers that, of course, aren't on the staff of this ridiculous rag. This writing staff is a pathetic joke. Maybe we can get some of the bloggers here to give us an update on the status of our offensive tackles. It's obvious to me that we won't get any from this staff until it's old news.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the downer Paul T. Why don't you go and play in the street. Yes we didn't run all over the packers but try to remember they have one of the best defenses in the NFL.

Our offense is a work in progress but is starting to get its legs. Despite that, they've scored enough points in every game to give this team a chance.

Go suck an egg and take your negativity with you. This team is on the ups. They're competitive and play with heart and intensity. Enough said.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:04 AM
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Agreed. You cannot say this is a fair assessment of anything when you don't mention Torain's contribution to pass blocking on the Armstrong TD pass and the eight man front that Green Bay showed most of the first half. Torain's our guy. He'll get his yards as the passing game becomes more of a threat and the offensive line becomes a little more threatening.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

They say there's no such thing as an ugly...they didn't watch this game!!! I don't care. A win is a win and I'm happy. We don't get to drive the NFC East bus very often so I'm going to make the best of it while it lasts.

Torain will look a lot better when the interior line isn't getting beaten like the supporting actress in a lifetime movie.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned with injury updates regarding our two starting OTs.

I think if the O-line could be healthy TOGETHER for more than 3 quarters, the run game could have more consistency.

Posted by: elfreako | October 11, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse


My thoughts as well. This is a huge story and I haven't seen a thing about this. If they're both hurt we're in big trouble and might as well start Rex just to keep D Mac from getting crushed by Mathis and Dwight.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

hessone, I've got no problems with you. You're entitled to your opinion; I merely disagree with that particular one. Sorry if I come off as a little crass.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

2010 Torrain = 2011 MK12

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I heard Al Galdy on 980 this morning say both guys walked out of the locker room under there own power neither seemed to be limping.

Not sure if that means there both OK but it could be a good sign.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas cleared waivers. 31 other teams could have claimed him, and he would be theirs...none of them did.

The Rams lost Mark Clayton for the year with a knee injury yesterday. They need WR help desperately. They've said they have no interest in even bringing DT11 in for a workout.

Clearly, this guy is the next Jerry Rice.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers sent at least five pass-rushers on 40 percent of their defensive snaps. But in the second half, McNabb had a 141.4 passer rating in those situations. Obviously he was harassed throughout the game, but the Redskins made enough adjustments after halftime to survive.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 10:58 AM


Save this for Greg...that dude is forever killing coaches for "halftime adjustments".

Oh, and thanks to the WaPo for the reminder that Torain didn't do jack sh*t yesterday...my fantasy team is VERY well aware of that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 11, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The Skins host the Colts, then on the road at the Bears and Lions before the break.

I think 5-3 at the Bye is looking like a distinct possibility.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 11, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Torain is slow off the handoff. In the open field, he's a beast after getting up some speed. Need a back who can burst when getting the ball. Clinton, hurry back, need you man.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I heard Al Galdy on 980 this morning say both guys walked out of the locker room under there own power neither seemed to be limping.

Not sure if that means there both OK but it could be a good sign.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 11:24 AM
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That's encouraging news. Those guys had a battle yesterday and I can understand fatigue playing a part in them going down. Here's to hoping they both play. I'd elevate a backup tackle anyway. Maybe they could inactivate Paulsen on game day and use the backup tackle as the heavy tight end on running plays.

BTW, just thinking out loud here that the unbalanced line would have been a good weapon yesterday with Green Bay loading up the LOS. I think it could be really effective for some of those designed rollouts and misdirection plays. Get Kyle Shanahan on the phone...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 11, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas cleared waivers. 31 other teams could have claimed him, and he would be theirs...none of them did.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 11, 2010 11:25 AM

I haven't been one of the people fumimg about DT11 not playing (figuring the Shanahans and McCardell aren't wanting to shoot themselves in the foot and are all smart and knowledgeable)but I gotta admit to being surprised that nobody wanted to claim him. Nobody?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Torain will have to be the guy this year. With Portis' serious groin injury and past concussion issues I have feeling this may be it for him.

Posted by: skinsFan74 | October 11, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Here's what's different about this team...

No way Jason Campbell attempts that throw to Armstrong. He would have checked down or taken the sack.

Mark Brunell couldn't throw that far.

If Joe Gibbs is coaching this team, we don't see Brandon Banks...Gibbs liked veterans returning kicks.

I'm drinkin' the Kool-Aid (this week)

Posted by: rickyroge | October 11, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"The Skins host the Colts, then on the road at the Bears and Lions before the break.

I think 5-3 at the Bye is looking like a distinct possibility.

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

6-2 would be preferable, but with the maddening, brutal, epic type games we've been in , probably a good prediction..We sure could have used AH, particularly on that long run ..Good thing we've got backup on the practice squad, tough sched here on out...

Posted by: frak | October 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been one of the people fumimg about DT11 not playing (figuring the Shanahans and McCardell aren't wanting to shoot themselves in the foot and are all smart and knowledgeable)but I gotta admit to being surprised that nobody wanted to claim him. Nobody?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 11:33 AM |

We don't get to see the tape on these players but obviously teams just aren't seeing what they want to see from DT. I didn't care either way on DT and it looks like Shanny made the proper call, only time will tell if DT ever gets a chance somewhere else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

great ugly win

once again landry and orakpo really stepping it up

mcnabb looked ugly at times, but led us to victory, moss, cooooooooley had big games

i dont care how, but we won
hung in there and got it done

defended home field which has been tough for us for the last decade

HAIL!!!!

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 11, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What I like most about this regime is that they don't care who you are or where you were drafted...

Anthony Armstrong is no Jerry Rice, but he's young, fast and hungry and was playing in the IFL...

Brandon Banks...5'7"...155LBS...undrafted FA from Kansas State.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 11, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

shut the hell up reid

Posted by: slim4 | October 11, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

A side story might be how the Redskins internally handled Haynesworth's brothers death. I hope they really reached out to him and showed some real empathy.

If they did, he might really begin to buy into what Shannahan and the organization is trying to do. And that has the potential to really make this defense formidable.

HTTR

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

...but I gotta admit to being surprised that nobody wanted to claim him. Nobody?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 11:33 AM |

I'm curious as to why this surprises you. Through 2 plus seasons he has shown nothing to indicate he would be an asset to an NFL team.

MS is a well respected offensive mind, maybe the most respected in the league as a matter of fact...And I'm talking about respect from his peers, not bloggers or fans.

The fact that he was cast off in WSH by the Shanahans is very significant. There are dozens of players out there toiling in the UFL/Canada/UPS who have more to offer than Thomas. As MS said yesterday, this guy needs a complete refocus to his job if he ever has any hope of succeeding. I am not joking when I say that DT will probably only get offers from the UFL this year. Knowing what I know of him he probably feels above it (UFL) and won't play there, but will sit out and "Live the life", then maybe get a camp invite next year. Maybe.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think if we are going to spend FA money next year it should be on the O-Line, no big name flashy players O-Line only. We should also use the first round choice on O-Line as well, either trade back to get more picks then draft O-line or stick with the pick and draft O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This enjoyable piece from the dallasnews:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/101110dnspotaylor.17a35af80.html

Sorry, but Jerry isn't going to fire Phillips during the season, no matter how good it would make you feel. It's not his style, because he doesn't think interim coaches work, and we're not even sure there will be an NFL season in 2011 because of the labor situation.

Besides, who would he promote? Jason Garrett is as much a part of the problem as Phillips.

It's time for many of you to start dealing in reality instead of what you want reality to be. These Cowboys are a mess, and there's no reason to believe it will get better any time soon.

It never does for bad teams.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 11, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas cleared waivers. 31 other teams could have claimed him, and he would be theirs...none of them did.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 11, 2010 11:25 AM

This fact plus MS veiled comments about being professional "on & off" the field, have "he's in the substance abuse program...and one slip-up away from suspension" written all over them.

Just speculation, but no one takes the risk of trusting a marginal contributor if there is potential they can't be counted on....

Food for thought.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | October 11, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Torain is slow off the handoff. In the open field, he's a beast after getting up some speed. Need a back who can burst when getting the ball. Clinton, hurry back, need you man.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 11, 2010 11:31 AM |

The only "burst" CP is going to provide anymore is during his run off the field to the oxygen tank after falling forward for a 2-yard gain.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse


psp, no problem, I'm thick skinned and I do want the 2008 class to do well. KMoore has a ways to go, but FDavis to me THIS YEAR has been a disappointment. I'll borrow one from brown and say it's still early in the season, so, we'll see.

we win, cowboy's lose, going to the caps game tonite, lovin life !

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I think if we are going to spend FA money next year it should be on the O-Line, no big name flashy players O-Line only. We should also use the first round choice on O-Line as well, either trade back to get more picks then draft O-line or stick with the pick and draft O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21

Cosign. And if we can trade a 1st for two 2nd rounders, we could still get great o-line talent at C/G and OLB.

Posted by: pgugino | October 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think if we are going to spend FA money next year it should be on the O-Line, no big name flashy players O-Line only. We should also use the first round choice on O-Line as well, either trade back to get more picks then draft O-line or stick with the pick and draft O-Line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Dude seriously, let's stay focused on this year. More importantly the next game against arguably the best QB of all time.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Torain averaged 2yads this game...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The O Line is the real issue not the running back. Once we have 5 healthy STARTERS (not back ups) we will improve. And as someone said earlier we ought to target premium O Line people next year or two

Posted by: scottboren | October 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

we need a center

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone happen to notice Betts' fine game?
Looked very much like a Little Lorenzo!

Posted by: Spanglerg | October 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Flounder 21...

After seeing this team, we are MOST in need of a BEAST, STUD, NASTY, FAST LINEBACKER...opposite Orakpo!

We have so many needs, but here it goes:

RB
G
C
LBs (plural)
WR (a burner with size)
CB


Posted by: rickyroge | October 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen the Packers and Matthews much before. I know I'm going to get roasted for pleading ignorance about one of the leagues top players, but does he do what he did to Jamal Brown to everybody? He's obviously getting his sacks week to week, but he seemed to be able to dominate him any number of ways. Should be we concerned about 77(beyond his health), or just glad Matthews and the Packers are in the rear view. (for now)

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dude seriously, let's stay focused on this year. More importantly the next game against arguably the best QB of all time.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:55 AM |
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True.

To beat the Colts, the Redskins are going to have to be able to run the football and control the clock. The best chance of beating Peyton is to keep him on the sideline.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Logan Mankins is young, a bad a$$ and a long term solution at OG, thus worth a draft pick. Why not add to BB's collection?

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | October 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I love this guy. Our favorite Cowboys fan. Not as good a rant as week #1 but still very fun to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/user/thedallascowboyshow

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

we need a center

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

no doubt, Rabach was horrible in this game, he got blown up every play.

IMO we need 2 guards, and a center. But right now we're winning games anyway, we won't be pretty this year but we're competitive and with the rest of the East the way it is who knows. I'm just enjoying that we're in every game and still playing games that mean something!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

As you can see Portis is STILL the best rb on this team, torain did nothing and mcNabb got destroyed.

Sorry haters, go ahead and deny the truth.

Campbell 117.6 qb rating Sunday, what?!?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid not yet a cure for Redskins' Insider

There, fixed the title of this post for ya!

By the way, who is Paul Tenorio??? Oh yeah, he must be the NEW ASSistant Copy-And-Paster.

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


psp, no problem, I'm thick skinned and I do want the 2008 class to do well. KMoore has a ways to go, but FDavis to me THIS YEAR has been a disappointment. I'll borrow one from brown and say it's still early in the season, so, we'll see.

we win, cowboy's lose, going to the caps game tonite, lovin life !

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I like Torain, but I still think Portis should be the #1 RB when he returns.

Posted by: gburggal | October 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Just a note to all you Portis haters; did you see how slow Torain was hitting the hole yesterday? Talk all you want about CP being washed up but i'll take a washed up CP all day long over anyone on this present Redskin roster.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude seriously, let's stay focused on this year. More importantly the next game against arguably the best QB of all time.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:55 AM |

Dude I don't play or coach my focus doesn't have to be on the next game, I'm a fan on a blog and commenting on things that might generate conversation.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We have to accept that the Skins are going to have trouble running the ball. They couldn't run it the last two or three years either, and in fact, most teams in the league have trouble running the ball. Add in the fact that the Shanahan's blocking system requires a special type of athletic lineman that the redskins lack, and you can see this will be a long-term project. Lichtensteiger and Montgomery clearly aren't the answer, unless the question is name offensive linemen who get driven into the backfield.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

As you can see Portis is STILL the best rb on this team, torain did nothing and mcNabb got destroyed.

Sorry haters, go ahead and deny the truth.

Campbell 117.6 qb rating Sunday, what?!?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we run you over with the Optimism Bus?

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the running back has been the problem. This O-line has weaknesses (and now some injuries) and hasn't had time to come together. If they can stay relatively healthy, the running game will improve significantly in coming weeks.

I have been one that fully expects CP to return after the bye. The team could have put him on IR and chose not to for a reason. Either they want him back (my theory) or they want to wait and see if Torain et al. can carry the load before ending Portis's season. Whichever it is, the chances of Portis returning improved yesterday. Running game was non-existent and the backs were AWFUL in pass protection.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't expect anyone to be a "cure" for the Skins running game until that get that O line fixed.

So...maybe next year.

Posted by: edvar | October 11, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been one of the people fumimg about DT11 not playing (figuring the Shanahans and McCardell aren't wanting to shoot themselves in the foot and are all smart and knowledgeable)but I gotta admit to being surprised that nobody wanted to claim him. Nobody?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 11:33 AM

Wouldn't a team claiming him have to pay him his current salary? I have no idea how much he was due but as a former 2nd rounder it'd be above the minimum wouldn't it? If no one signs him to a vet min contract now then I'll be mildly surprised.

It's interesting that Shanahan comes in and identifies Armstrong as a quality WR when the previous regime thought no better of him than practice squad material.

Could we please stop having Troy Barkman call skins games. Can't stand that guy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Just listened to JR on the Fan -- he was asked why DT was cut and he couldn't answer the question --- wow, this guy can't even utter a phrase or finish a sentence before he's off on a tangent --- he has zero insider skills -- Jeez, just answer the questions! On second thought, get another job somewhere out of town.

Posted by: bestmick1 | October 11, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dude seriously, let's stay focused on this year. More importantly the next game against arguably the best QB of all time.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 11:55 AM |

Dude I don't play or coach my focus doesn't have to be on the next game, I'm a fan on a blog and commenting on things that might generate conversation.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 11, 2010 12:07 PM |

All-time, greatest post/response in the history of history.

Amen brother, amen.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins were really playing with fire leaving Dockery inactive. Don't do that again boys."

That's because he can't play or he would have started/been active. I would not be surprised to hear about the Skins trying to trade him before the 19th.

The o-line clearly still has holes in it, but by next season I expect those issues to be fixed.

Saying that Torain is not the answer, but he's till better then anything else we have in the backfield.

"Ugly wins count too. Just win baby!"

Agree 100%. Even London Fletcher said they do not win those games in years past. If you ask me though, I haven't watched one team "looking all that" this season. Aside from the Rams game, the current Redskins staff is doing a heck of a job coaching what we have and putting the players in a position to succeed. Nice change from years past, now it's time to see who can play and who can't on this team.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 11, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"...let's stay focused on this year. More importantly the next game against arguably the best QB of all time."


There's no denying P Manning's ablility.

But he doesn't play defense.

He's not, say, BJ Raji, the packers' stud nose tackle.

And so when you look at colts v. redskins, what you should really see is a game where we face a lighter, more athletic defense.

Perhaps the decision this week is to go with what's hot--and what should be hot this weekend is the run game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Could we please stop having Troy Barkman call skins games. Can't stand that guy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I kind of like that he can't conceal his hate for the Skins. Did you catch the GREAT moment Sunday when he tried to praise the Packers' left tackle for shutting down Orakpo and then the replay showed blatant holding? He had his arm hooked around Orakpo, who was still dragging him into the backfield. Aikman had to stop mid-sentence and offered up a weak "well...I guess he did kind of get his arm outside there..."

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes we do need oline help but on D we need a true 3-4 OMB and another safety opposite of Landry I like more but he isn't answer he has decent range but gets planted on cut back runs like a deer in headlights..no reason he should have gave up that long run

Posted by: cube757 | October 11, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes we do need oline help but on D we need a true 3-4 OMB and another safety opposite of Landry I like more but he isn't answer he has decent range but gets planted on cut back runs like a deer in headlights..no reason he should have gave up that long run

Posted by: cube757 | October 11, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Could we please stop having Troy Barkman call skins games. Can't stand that guy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse
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I'd take him a 1000 times over Joe 'omgRandyMossjustdidthemostdespicablethingIveeverseen' Buck or Kenny 'onlyamothercouldloveugly' Albert.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget NT!

IMO -- The Skins FA/Draft needs for next year are:

NT
G
WR
RB
OT
CB
C
FS


Posted by: siris | October 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

totally agree campbell wouldn't have thrown that TD pass to AA. there are so many plays a game where i think, "whoa, w/campbell this play would be dead by now." i was talking with my brother-in-law who's not "down with" the mcnabb acquisition (because of its long-term implications - he thinks mcnabb's pretty much "done"). anyway, early in the game there sure were a few times i had to suppress thoughts of "maybe he's right" - as mcnabb was throwing too high and in the dirt and wide.... BUT, with mcnabb you get plays extended, you get gutsy throws, you get "omg, he's going deep"....and can you say "4th quarter comeback"? me likey. sure hope we get his contract done.

connskins,
you know it's an 8:20 start, right? what time are pop warner games these days?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And so when you look at colts v. redskins, what you should really see is a game where we face a lighter, more athletic defense.

Perhaps the decision this week is to go with what's hot--and what should be hot this weekend is the run game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 12:28 PM

True. It'll be a tough game but I'm glad it'll be at Fedex rather than in Indy. I think Freeney and Co are too fast on turf
for our OT's. Finding the running game again like in Philly has to be priority 1, 2, and 3.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that Shanahan comes in and identifies Armstrong as a quality WR when the previous regime thought no better of him than practice squad material.

Could we please stop having Troy Barkman call skins games. Can't stand that guy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:23 PM |

You're assuming that there are no 'hidden roster guys' on the practice squad. You're hinting that practice squad players are off the street and don't belong anywhere on an NFL football field. The practice squad is more like purgatory. Guys that are on the practice squad are just 'in waiting' and in many cases, demonstrate that the team and the coaches WERE CORRECT in keeping them as a part of the team as opposed to cutting them outright.

Lastly, Troy Barkman is the FOX A-lister. If you can't get on board with him, then who? He did make a funny comment yesterday during a 3rd incomplete pass in "That's never going to be good for the old QB rating."

Personally, I'd like Riggo added smoewhere - especially MNF. Also, can't get enough of, "This is Tony Saragusa reporting live...from the concession stand."

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd take him a 1000 times over Joe 'omgRandyMossjustdidthemostdespicablethingIveeverseen' Buck or Kenny 'onlyamothercouldloveugly' Albert.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Aikman. He was kind of being a jerk yesterday but he's usually pretty fair to us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 11, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

After the dust has settled...

It is clear that having Donovan McNabb as our quarterback has far more positive aspects than negative ones. The guy is a field general and rises to the occasion. Yes, 10% of his passes are in the dirt and 10% of his passes are over the head of wide open receivers, but 80% of the time the passes are right there for the receivers to make a play - and - most of the time those passes will get you the yardage you need OR more.

Another outstanding aspect of McNabb is that he gets the ball DOWN FIELD! There is no doubt that he has the arm strength to get the ball to receivers even under duress.

I was no McNabb fan - couldn't stand the man while he was an Iggle - but I have to say he is everything he was said to be plus more - the Iggles never appreciated the MAN. He is simply a professional who conducts himself with the respect and character that makes him a Redskin. He won me over in his first month as he was active in the spring training aspect of the team.

Whoever is ridiculing this coaching staff for continuing to meddle with the roster should be taken to the woodshed and beaten. It is clear that the roster changes are pulling unpolished jewels from the corners of Redskins Park and these guys have heart and want to bust their butts for us.

This season will be the one that removes the dead weight from the team and adds whatever hidden jewels were around. The team buys into the coaching staff, has demonstrated a backbone we haven't seen since Gibbs 1.0 and they are winning games that they wouldn't have won even under Norv Turner (the perpetual groundhog day coach).

This is an imperfect team, but in the 2010 NFL season, an imperfect team with heart can do much damage. The goal remains to dance on the Cowboys star after a victory in February 2011. And if we make Jerry Jones' face crack, so much the better.

HTTR. I'll take a team with imperfections and heart over a team that believes it is all that and a bag of chips (Cowboys) anyday.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I kind of like that he can't conceal his hate for the Skins. Did you catch the GREAT moment Sunday when he tried to praise the Packers' left tackle for shutting down Orakpo and then the replay showed blatant holding? He had his arm hooked around Orakpo, who was still dragging him into the backfield. Aikman had to stop mid-sentence and offered up a weak "well...I guess he did kind of get his arm outside there..."

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 12:29 PM

Yep. Or when he went on about "sometimes great players just get the calls sometimes" about one of Woodson's many pass interference non-calls.

I actually don't mind him sometimes when he calls other games but he was getting on my nerves yesterday and last week.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It's harsh pinning the blame on the back when he is meeting defenders two yards deep in his back field.

It's hard to hit a hole when the defence is standing between you and your blockers. The interior of our line sucked. I'm willing to give Torrain the benefit of the doubt until I see him waste competent blocking.

Next off-season we need to pick-up a couple of guards and a new centre. Our lineman can rave about Rabach's line calls as much as they want but it doesn't show in the pass-protection they're providing. He and Lichtensteiger just aren't powerful enough.

Hicks is a decent swing player. He could be a useful back-up at G/T but we need prototype guards to be starting at guard. Not someone who can play a bit of tackle as well.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | October 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we run you over with the Optimism Bus?

Posted by: monk811 | October 11, 2010 12:10 PM

Post of the Day....

JCamp came in because the starter was injured.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming that there are no 'hidden roster guys' on the practice squad. You're hinting that practice squad players are off the street and don't belong anywhere on an NFL football field. The practice squad is more like purgatory. Guys that are on the practice squad are just 'in waiting' and in many cases, demonstrate that the team and the coaches WERE CORRECT in keeping them as a part of the team as opposed to cutting them outright.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 12:33 PM

No they knew enough not to cut him just not enough to play him. I do realize they were still trying to figure out what they had in DT and MK and Zorn may not have had the say so to but AA ahesd of those guys, but they were 4-12 last year after all. At some point you should be playing your best players. Just find it interesting that Shanahan comes in, studies the film, and identifies Armstrong as one of the better players.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

JCamp came in because the starter was injured.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 12:40 PM

Get used to this. You'll hear it every time you see Jason Campbell in a regular season game.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice the perfect spiral on Tony Romo's interceptions? Beautiful passes! I love that guy..F the Boiz!!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I know we still have tons of holes on this roster. It will take at least one more draft and offseason to fully perform the cleanup on aisle Vinny. But I will say it is pretty exciting watching Osackpo and Landry in this defense. They still need to add a true NT, some LBs, FS depth, and another legit corner, two guards, a center, a WR, and a rb. That's a lot but what they have done is dramatically upgrade at head coach, QB, offensive coordinator, both offensive tackle positions, and are using a system that fits our best defenders (Orackpo, Landry, and Hall). The results are we are good competitive football team that doesn't beat itself and will be right in the thick of the division/playoff hunt. I'll take that year one after the debacle the Skins have been for years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


again, GB made a huge mistake in not challenging the ruling on the field of no TD. we stop them on 4th down for no points on what was definitely a TD if reviewed.

Posted by: hessone | October 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

With the inside blitzes the Pack pulled, replacing Dockery with Kory looked like a coaching brainfart (especially without Portis back there)..Yep, we need a modern, larger sized center (to handle these 360 lb behemoths coming down the pike) to replace Rabach..Dockery has been a good run blocker , too, gotta question that move..Coaches adjusted well at half, but not before McNabb got dinged up ( injury update??)..

Posted by: frak | October 11, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd take him a 1000 times over Joe 'omgRandyMossjustdidthemostdespicablethingIveeverseen' Buck or Kenny 'onlyamothercouldloveugly' Albert.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Aikman. He was kind of being a jerk yesterday but he's usually pretty fair to us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 11, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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I totally agree, I didn't watch the game yesterday (was at the massacre in Houston), but I think he really tries to be far and sometimes is pretty harsh with respect to the Cowboys.

Joe Buck, on the other hand, cannot seem to hide his love for Dallas - it is unbelievable. It surprisingly took him until the 4th quarter last week to mention the Cowboys during our game and Aikman basically laughed at him. And don't get me started about his adoration for Romo when we played them in Dallas in 2008 - talking about his wondefully completed passes on the first drive on the game and then WE WON!!!

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 11, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

torain is NOT the problem with the run game it is the o-line mainly litchensteiger(who I saw being blown off the line on his back a few times along with rabach another long time weakling at center. shanaKLAN has 2 weaklings at LG and C and the packers d-line destroyed them especially in the 1st half. shanaKLAN does not want any strong lineman on the team(dockery and the released e. williams)he wants slow, weak, so-called white lineman weighing 290lbs just as he had in denver in 1997, mcnabb is taking too many hits because If this continues he will sign with another team in the off-season,the defense is giving up too many yards but they did win this game(including mcnabb's passing) shanaKLAN also dressed 6 o-lineman for the game 6! is he getting instructions from sir-RATTO? this is stupidity.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

they should build a monument to shanny outside of the stadium. he has that team at 3-2 with that roster he inherited, limited talent, no weapons at wr, both offensive tackles injured, a qb running for his life on every pass, a practice squad player at rb, and learning a new defense. they might yet end up at 7-9, 8-8, but they are worth watching again, this man will get the job done, and sunday afternoons are at least watchable again.

Posted by: miked4 | October 11, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I see as the offseason roster priorities:

OG (good ones usually avail. in Rd 2 or 3)
C (see OG)
NT (could see going here in Rd 1)
WR (could see going here in Rd 1 or 2)
FS (see below)
OLB (Carter = good player, bad fit)
CB (quality young nickel with upside)

For free safety, I'd rather look to free agency than the draft unless a Sean Taylor prototype is available. Experience is a premium there.

I know there is a lot of talk about drafting the future QB, but I can't see us using a 1 or 2 this year on a QB given the number of other holes. Extend McNabb a few years and draft the QB in 2012.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I know there is a lot of talk about drafting the future QB, but I can't see us using a 1 or 2 this year on a QB given the number of other holes. Extend McNabb a few years and draft the QB in 2012.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:24 PM

Agreed. Or draft one in the later rounds to groom behind McNabb.

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

beeeeeeep

Posted by: skinswest | October 11, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I hope that you true CP fans aren't really counting on him to come back and save the day. Folks, he tore the muscle completely away from the bone. Even if he heals miraculously in 6 weeks he will still have to rehab and get strong enough to play. I'd be shocked if he came back before late December. He's more likely headed to IR eventually.

Time to get KW and Simpson into the game plan for some quick flares and screens.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 11, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

DT cleared waivers without being picked up because no one wanted to pay his salary, not because no one wanted him. Why pay him like a second-round pick when you can pay him like what he is: castoff trash who's never done anything in the league? Now, he signed a $5 million/4 year contract, so it's not like he was making a fortune, but he's going to have to sign for league minimum now.

DT will catch on somewhere, but he's going to have to earn his money now. Maybe that will motivate him.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | October 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope that you true CP fans aren't really counting on him to come back and save the day. Folks, he tore the muscle completely away from the bone. Even if he heals miraculously in 6 weeks he will still have to rehab and get strong enough to play. I'd be shocked if he came back before late December. He's more likely headed to IR eventually.

Time to get KW and Simpson into the game plan for some quick flares and screens.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 11, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Totally agree with your suggestions of more screens and flares. Draws too.

But I expect CP to be back after the bye (which I think would give him 6 weeks) the way Stephania Bell described it on the radio, the 4-6 weeks includes rehab/strength building time.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 11, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Torain had a bad game mostly due to the constant shuffle of the line the last game, it almost got mcnabb killed as well. We had 8 lineman suited to play...all of them played in the game due to injury across the line. I would blame torain on this one if the line was 100%, he ran well and had a 4.0 per rush average (pretty good especially against a top defense like the packers) until the line started to get hurt, after the injuries across the line started to pill up it dropped dramatically to 1.6. Which made his average look terrible.

Torain did lot of good things however, that where actually WORRIES..he caught the ball out of the backfield and was able to block in pass protection well. Torain will do some great running with the ball the rest of the way, he's still the future and one game under a make shift line shouldn't change that.

Posted by: culprit59 | October 11, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Torain had a bad game mostly due to the constant shuffle of the line the last game, it almost got mcnabb killed as well. We had 8 lineman suited to play...all of them played in the game due to injury across the line. I would blame torain on this one if the line was 100%, he ran well and had a 4.0 per rush average (pretty good especially against a top defense like the packers) until the line started to get hurt, after the injuries across the line started to pill up it dropped dramatically to 1.6. Which made his average look terrible.

Torain did lot of good things however, that where actually WORRIES..he caught the ball out of the backfield and was able to block in pass protection well. Torain will do some great running with the ball the rest of the way, he's still the future and one game under a make shift line shouldn't change that.

Posted by: culprit59 | October 11, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon made an incredibly athletic play not to get a roughing penalty on Landry's interception.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 11, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

JCamp came in because the starter was injured.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 11, 2010 12:40 PM

Get used to this. You'll hear it every time you see Jason Campbell in a regular season game.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 11, 2010 12:48 PM
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The starter (Gradkowski) had 1 completion in 7 attempts for 14 yards before JC came in and led the Raiders to victory.

Until he became the QB for the Raiders I couldn't speak their name without visions of Marcus Allen cutting back against the grain.

Now they (Raiders) have my QB.

Go JC! (unless you are playing my 'skins)

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 11, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the running game is not the running back, whether Portis or Torain. The problem is still the offensive line. Whenever the Skins play a 4-3, there is a running game, because Rabach does not have to battle the NT alone and there is almost always a guard free to assist in the doubleteam. Against a 3-4, the guards have to go after linebackers and Rabach is left to battle the NT alone, a battle he's losing. It's time to put his replacement in the wings, ready to take his place. And grab another guard while you're at it. Oh, and maybe a right tackle for the future.

Posted by: WildBil1952 | October 11, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

please torain did fine. i would blame the play calling. Yes, we should absolutely call two run plays, which gained the 1st down, then switch to play action on that 1st down, where it falls incomplete and were forced to throw on the next two downs. Horrific play calling by Kyle Shannahan, he almost lost us the game. Torain was running physical, and if he woulda gotten 30 carries he wouldve easily had over 100 yards. The reason he had a lot of no gains early in the game was we didn't commit to the run, and they were run blitzing from the get-go. You cant give up that early on the run in this game. blame the coaches.

Posted by: sanjuan1227 | October 11, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't expect Torrain to get more than 40 yards running behind this offensive line.

Did you see the first play after Landry's turnover, when all the offensive line had to do was plow forward enough to get in field goal position. HALF THE LINE WAS PUSHED INTO THE BACKFIELD RESULTING IN A 5 YARD LOSS. How do you get a 5 yard loss running straight ahead? A weak-a o-line that's how.

Posted by: keedrow | October 11, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I think if you look at what's happened to the o-line -- especially the almost constant shuffling of players -- that explains what happened to the running game. O-line stabilizes, so does the run blocking.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 11, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Redskins need to draft a QB next year and get a good running back. Oh yes two LB and 3 OL.

The redskins offense as scored 6, 17, and 13 points in their wins. Macnabb does not fumble I will give him that. I don't know what else he is good at.

Posted by: mul123 | October 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

In the meantime....bring back LARRY JOHNSON. He's got every reason to succeed (Skins fan since childhood AND from a football family!!) and he didn't get a full shot (running behind 3rd stringers) during pre-season!!

Posted by: nico231 | October 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I owe this group an apology. Early on in this game, I had no faith left ( I thought) in the Redskins. I saw yet one more golden opportunity against a beatable opponent get blown up. So I vented that they seemed to be getting worse. And then in the 2nd half, things started to gel, however fitfully. I won't criticize anything the remainder of this year because I feel like I lost the right. For better or for worse, you know?

Posted by: JaySchroeder | October 11, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Torain looked very good for the first few runs. Then the Packs adjusted their defense to cater for him and he could not gain yards anymore.

No running back can run well behind his O-line. The fact that Torain is gaining positive yards and eating up the clock is a great start.

Go Torain (as there is no other alternative or better O-line)!

Posted by: SeedofChange | October 11, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Re the top post from psp23:
Wouldn't Clay Mathews getting hurt be the biggest reason we did so much better in the second half than the first? Moreso than any coaching adjustments.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | October 11, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

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