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Brian Westbrook leaves Redskins Park with no deal, heads for Denver

Free agent running back Brian Westbrook has apparently met with the Redskins and left Redskins Park this afternoon without a signed contract. Westbrook was en route to Denver and is expected to meet with the Broncos later today, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Westbrook was originally scheduled to speak with area high school football players today, but the Broncos jumped in the hunt and apparently wanted to meet with Westbrook as soon as possible. Schefter tweeted: Sounds like Denver is serious on RB Brian Westbrook, who suddenly has options with the Broncos, Redskins, Rams and who knows who else.

Cushing still Defensive Rookie of the Year

The votes are in and Texans linebacker Brian Cushing is, once again, the Defensive Rookie of the Year, despite his four-game suspension for testing positive for a fertility drug that is banned by the NFL.

By Rick Maese  |  May 12, 2010; 2:59 PM ET
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I'd love to see what Lebron could do playing in D'Antonti's offense."

That'll be a positive outcome if the Knicks find a way to also keep D Lee.

Then's there's the tricky issue of their not having a solid point guard.

If I'm LB James, I watch what happens in Miami before heading to New York.

If Wade stays and Riley comes down to coach, Beasely, Wade, James, Richardson makes for an interesting line up headed by a great coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Damn. I like Westbrook.

Posted by: bethesdaguy | May 12, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that Albert Haynesworth is at Redskins Park, but he collapsed in the driveway from exhaustion after walking 10 feet? Someone should check if his car is there and then give him a twinkie, a fluid IV and an oxygen mask.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | May 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

3× NBA Champion (1981, 1984, 1986)
7× NBA All-Star (1984, 1986–1991)
1× All-NBA First Team Selection (1987)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1986–1988)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1983, 1989–1990)
2× NBA Sixth Man of the Year (1984–1985)
1981 NBA All-Rookie Team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

thats what you'd called overrated Z??

ok...agree tah disagree

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm LB James, I watch what happens in Miami before heading to New York".

Don't sleep on Chicago Moe. A few NBA insider's were talking about how LeBron & Chris Bosh made a pact at the Olympics to play together.

Derrick Rose, Bosh, and LeBron would be a force. Plus, it's a little curious LeBron is changing his number, might be a tell....

Posted by: ksquare | May 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The Knicks are garbage why would any superstar want to go play there? The Wizards have enough cap space to get a new proven coach like Avery Johnson , a new GM and another star to pair with Lebron..

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | May 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Westbrook than that illiterate, back-stabbing Clinton Portis

Posted by: lp_lodestar | May 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Agreed about the point guard issue in NY. They'd probably be better served trying to grab a good guard than holding onto D. Lee.

I think Chicago is a better fit than Miami for Lebron. Think Rose and Noah are good, plus they could grab another player to go along with Lebron.

Miami has Wade, but that's about it. The other guys you listed aren't any better than what the Cavs have now.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 12, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 12, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Damn. I like Westbrook."


Yeah, but from 5 years ago, not today.

Let's get an uncluttered look at Parker, Johnson, Torian, Portis, and Williams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse


NBA = Thug Wannabe's

Posted by: hessone | May 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Good! Now can we stay away from Iggles, Cowpies, and Gints players?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

3× NBA Champion (1981, 1984, 1986)
7× NBA All-Star (1984, 1986–1991)
1× All-NBA First Team Selection (1987)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection (1986–1988)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team Selection (1983, 1989–1990)
2× NBA Sixth Man of the Year (1984–1985)
1981 NBA All-Rookie Team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

thats what you'd called overrated Z??

ok...agree tah disagree

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

thank for pointing out how overrated McHale was

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

portispockets

"I think Chicago is a better fit than Miami for Lebron. Think Rose and Noah are good, plus they could grab another player to go along with Lebron...Miami has Wade, but that's about it. The other guys you listed aren't any better than what the Cavs have now..."


Think of this group: Wade, James, Beasely, Pat Riley.

Now, think of Miami--the one place a lot of athletes just love.

It's a killa situation that any media savvy, attention-hound (like James) would want to play in.

That's why, even though Chi-Town (except Jordan's shadow) is a better fit, LBJ in Dade County is very attractive.

The Knicks are a talentless wasteland that should've won at least one title during the Riley era.

James should go to Miami.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Pierce out to prove you can go home again.
Michael David Smith
May 12, 2010, 3:33
Former Washington Redskin and NY Giant middle linebacker Antonio Pierce has been contacted by the Redskins, the team that he broke into the league with. While not looking to bring him in right now, head coach Mike Shanahan was curious to talk to Pierce and get a general idea how his rehab from a back injury suffered last year was progressing. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

yeah z, thats overrated...yikes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

How it's used nowadays: Thug = ni**er

Just say what you really feel and quit trying to be cute with it. The crap is past transparent.

NFL players get into just as much trouble, naw scratch that, NFL players get into MORE trouble than NBA players.


Anyway, I'm impressed with the basketball acumen on RI. Been going in and out, but haven't had anything to say, y'all ma'truckas are on it!


Would like to see the Wizards get Wade this summer, then trade Arenas next year for a mid level player or draft picks and go get Durant.


Shut up! It can happen...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

haha, red, betts for brady buddy...that can happen too right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Pierce out to prove you can go home again."

LMAO!

That's the best headline you've done so far....

Posted by: RedDMV | May 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but from 5 years ago, not today.

Let's get an uncluttered look at Parker, Johnson, Torian, Portis, and Williams.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Cosign that, especially about the young guys Torain and Williams. I hope they do get a decent look.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Payton was better than Stockton for a window. Stockton's played for almost 20 years thats why his stats are so good. Isiah kept the best player in the league from getting a title for two years. Payton's Sonics went to as many Finals as the Jazz did. I could understand arguments against Payton or Thomas but if you think Stockton lit a candle to Magic then its clear you dont know what you are talking about. The only person that you could debate with Malone is Duncan.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 12, 2010 3:23 PM

Stock > Payton, hands down
Duncan > Malone, hands down

Magic was a better overall player than Stockton. But Stock's PG skills were comparable, if not better. You have to earn those steals to be #1 all time.

Stock vs. Isiah is debatable.. some like Isiah cause of the rings, but I still would go with stock as the better PG overall.

Malone vs. McHale is debateable.. McHale certainly played on better teams so he got the rings... but nothing I ever saw of Malone showed me that he should be in the elite pantheon.

You put Malone and KG in their primes in a gym with a ball, and I'll put my money on KG 8 days a week.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Boy, the more I think about it, the more I wanna see us get Westbrook. He'd be a great fit as a part time player and 3rd down back. As long as we don't lean on him to carry the running game, he's a perfect fit.

Blow out Parker and Johnson, roll with the Portis/Westbrook/Torain backfield.

And before I get Greg's inevitable "what happens if Portis gets hurt" comment, it's been proven time and time again you can get RBs anywhere. Denver blew thru about 7 of 'em Shanny's last year there and they still ran it pretty well. Chances are, there'll be an Alridge-type (or even Alridge himself) available if worse came to worst.

Hate that we'd be racking up so many former Iggles, but Westbrook just makes so much sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, Stockton was a beast, no doubt about that. But Payton 'D'd that ish up, could score, and was just as good as a passer as Stockton.

In the 90s behind Jordan and Penny, Gary Payton was my favorite player. 'The Glove' was a uckin' beast.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

brown, no problems here, but I just worry about head injuries with BW...I think they did him dirty by sending him back out there so quickly after the first concuss, and him getting another one.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, compare Larry Nance to McHale. The 2 guys were the same size and their careers nearly perfectly overlapped.

McHale played btwn 2 great players, Parrish and Bird. Nance, not so much.

Nance 17.1 ppg, 8.0 boards and 2.2 blocks
McHale 17.9 ppg, 7.3 boards and 1.7 blocks

Nance shot 54.6%, McHale 55.4%

Not a lot of difference -- yet McHale goes quickly into the HOF, Nance isn't even on anyone's radar screen.

Is McHale overrated? Absolutely.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Would like to see the Wizards get Wade this summer, then trade Arenas next year for a mid level player or draft picks and go get Durant.

Why not offer Arenas for Wade straight up?

If the Heat may lose Wade with no compensation, why not try and do a sign and trade?

Something even it's a head case, is better than nothing.

Posted by: ksquare | May 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Nance=starter

McHale=off the bench for most of his career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Darrall Imhoff had a tough go guarding Wilt Chamberlain on March 2, 1962 — the night Wilt scored an NBA-record 100 points: "I'd put my knee between [Wilt's legs] and put my arm in the small of his back. I'm trying to hold him, and he's backing in. I'm not taking any steps, but I can smell the smoke coming off the bottom of my sneakers."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, Stockton was a beast, no doubt about that. But Payton 'D'd that ish up, could score, and was just as good as a passer as Stockton.

In the 90s behind Jordan and Penny, Gary Payton was my favorite player. 'The Glove' was a uckin' beast.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Stockton- All time steals leader- That's d'ng that ish up.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

90s NBA >>>> Any Decade I can remember (Which ain't saying much)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 12, 2010 3:45 PM

Yeah and KG didnt win anything until he went to Boston. Stockton's PG skills dont come close to Magic. I bet you think Nash deserved all the MVPs he won. Malone vs. McHale is not debatable. Maybe Barkley vs. McHale. Malone averaged 25 and 10 over 19 years. Not even Duncan will be able to match that.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Nance=starter

McHale=off the bench for most of his career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Minutes played:
McHale: 30,118
Nance: 30,697

Next argument?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Karl Malone>Tim Duncan

Second all time in scoring doesn't come as a fluke.

Is Jerry Rice still not the greatest receiver ever because Montana/Young were hand feeding him TD's?

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Larry Nance - 795 career starts

Kevin Mchale - 400 career starts..

but again, whatevs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What about the beef brothers? Who was better, Jeff Ruland or Rick Mahorn?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

dl, haha, former Celtics broadcaster Johnny Most nicknamed them mcfilthy, and mcnasty.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Robert Parish a "great player" is probably a stretch...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth to Vikes dead?
3:15PM ET
Albert Haynesworth | Redskins

The Albert Haynesworth trade rumors got a little hotter recently, but now it looks like we can officially extinguish them again.

Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune tweeted on Wednesday that "I continue to hear that Albert Haynesworth to the Vikings is NOT going to happen."

As it was, the whole idea that the Washington Redskins would just eat the ridiculous sum of money they've already paid to Haynesworth and ship him off seemed a little flimsy to begin with; in fact, even though there was a report that Haynesworth was offered to the Philadelphia Eagles during the Donovan McNabb trade negotiations, the offer involving Albert might've asked for a much larger package in return than just McNabb. In any case, as of now, the fantasy of the Vikings' already formidable D-line adding one of the most dominant DTs in the league appears cooked for now.

Posted by: TWISI | May 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Albert will be here for ATLEAST one more year...more than likely 2...and even more realistically the remaining 3 years....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 12, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

chief was a good player....no arguement here...i'd say underrated if anything...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"Albert will be here for AT LEAST one more year..."


It's not even a full year.

He can be a redskin just up to whenever our season ends next winter.

Hopefully, he plays with a chip on his shoulder, garners a lil Pro Bowl luv, and sits between Bruce Allen and Mike Shananhan like the fat annoying daughter any anxious parents would want to unload.

We'll get more valuable for Prince Al if he comes in and dominates than just simply ridding ourselves of him because of 'chemistry' issues.'

Folks are correct to hate on his off season game.

But if he does come back ready to 'do his thing,' we'll be able to flip him for more value than just a couple of chips.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 12, 2010 4:06 PM

Sorry, but I think you're probably in the minority thinking Malone > Duncan.

KAJ is #1 all time scorer. Does that mean he was better than Wilt or MJ?

KingJoffe - Malone put up great numbers, but he rarely stepped up when it counted. Thats a pretty big deal too.

Why didn't Nash deserve his MVPs?

I think KG had a better skill set than Malone - and he finally got a ring and was a pretty huge part of it, too.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

chief was a good player....no arguement here...i'd say underrated if anything...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I agree on Parrish. Not sure if you can call a guy who got into the HOF right away 'underrated'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Parish was a good/very good player for sure...but great? and used in a way to diminsh McHale...that I don't buy.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The BB hall of fame is the most lax of a pro sports Halls...


But I actually like Parish....and despise arguing with Zcezest...so bowing out now...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Yankees have lost three games in a row!

WTFFFFF!!!!

FIRE GIRARDI!!!!!

NOW!!!!!

Better yet, tie him down to a truck in Times Square loaded with bombs and Justin Beiber cds.

We spoiled Yankee fans demanded more than just a hundred wins this year!

Don't complain to me about your team as the last time I checked, they're livin' off Yankee luxury tax money and arguments about 'small markets.'

Talk to me when your team gets a ring: we got 28!

Baseball is boring?: no, what's boring are people who follow teams that don't ever win nothing!

I had hoped the Yanks would go 140-18 this season, and it looks like Joe Girardi is not gonna have the team live up to my high, unreasonable expectations.

Shouldn't they?

(INSERT image of Moe taking his valium and washing it down with a hefty swig from a bottle of Grey Goose.)

I'm fine now.

Whew!

3 losses in a row ain't so bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 12, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

86 Celtics, possibly, the greatest NBA team ever assembled....Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ, Ainge, Wedman, Sichting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

86 Celtics, possibly, the greatest NBA team ever assembled....Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ, Ainge, Wedman, Sichting

You had me wondering until you threw in Sichting :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | May 12, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

But I actually like Parish....and despise arguing with Zcezest...so bowing out now...

Posted by: chrislarry

Heck, even Beantown has the guts to stand up for his erroneous views. Though we all seem to agree on Parish ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

wow!!! i thought this was a redskins related thread...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | May 12, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 12, 2010 4:32 PM

Its one thing not to step up against a good player. Malone didnt step up against teams like Jordan's Bulls. Doesnt make him a choke artist, and it still has nothing to do with him being one of the greats. KG is good, but again average 25/10 for 19 years and come holla at me. Keep in mind I am not a Malone fan. He was just that good.

Im sorry I thought Kobe was a better player both years especially in 05-06. I could understand the first one but Kobe got screwed the following year. Nash ran a gimmick offense that did nothing in the playoffs. I dont think im in the minority in thinking that Duncan

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna see AH suffer this year -- in B&G of course.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 12, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What happened to The Mayor? It seems like every other staff writer at The Post is having a turn except Reid lately.

Could he be on the outs?

One can only hope.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 12, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm with G-Money on this on. McHale invented the 6th Man award. His post moves are the stuff of legend. Nance played with good PGs who gave him the ball in a positionto dunk it. He was a more polished defensive player.

On Rodman: He was more than a "role player." Steve Kerr was a role player. Rodman's defense and rebounding was essential. He D'd up the other teams best player/scorer.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 12, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Heck, even Beantown has the guts to stand up for his erroneous views. Though we all seem to agree on Parish ...

Posted by: zcezcest1

Whateves......

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

wow!!! i thought this was a redskins related thread...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | May 12, 2010 4:54 PM

two-sport pros are hard to come by, and it's NBA playoffs... so we'll concede the thread for now.

outside of college or the historical era, most of the cross-over types involve baseball anyway.

Jim Thorpe rocks.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

86 Celtics, possibly, the greatest NBA team ever assembled....Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ, Ainge, Wedman, Sichting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:42 PM

If you're serious, this is ridiculous but I can see how you could believe it in light of your leaving out Dennis Johnson.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 12, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Jim Thorpe was THE MAN!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Jim Thorpe was THE MAN!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 12, 2010 5:15 PM

indeed.

any naysayers up here?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm with G-Money on this on. McHale invented the 6th Man award. His post moves are the stuff of legend. Nance played with good PGs who gave him the ball in a positionto dunk it. He was a more polished defensive player.

Posted by: learnedhand1

?? Celts had great passers. Bird was one of the best passers ever.

On Nance, getting into good position down low is a very important skill for a big man. Its not like the guys Nance played with needed double teaming to stop them -- the Celts had more scoring threats than CLE or PHX did while Nance was there.

Mostly, I'm pointing out that Nance and McHale weren't far apart as players. Similar shooting %, ppg, rpg, blocks, etc. In the way history is written, McHale is great, Nance isn't even in the book.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Dennis Johnson = "DJ", n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Albert will be here for ATLEAST one more year..."

I think so too, but I also see him riding the bench.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame the Redskins didn't exist when Thorpe was around... woulda been a natural...

What? Too soon?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I prefer to avoid players who have had a couple/few serious concussions. Look what happened to Portis. It is a very serious injury and the medical experts will not let them play for a while.

So, I'd keep Johnson and Parker. They havent had concussions as far as I know, at least not to the extent of Portis and Westbrook.

On the Cushing thing: I cant believe anyone would give an award to a player who racked up great numbers while on steroids! That makes no sense.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 12, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Contract Information for Albert Haynesworth
2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract.
The deal contains $41 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and his 2009-2011 base salaries.
Haynesworth is due a $29 million "poison pill" in 2013, effectively making it a four-year, $48.2 million deal. Another $15 million is available through incentives.
2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1),
2011: $5.4 million,
2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus),
2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year),
2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31),
2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31),
2016: Free Agent


The trick here is to get Albert to play 4 years and cut him at the end of 2012. But I doubt Shanahan will have such patience.

Posted by: abxinc | May 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"On the Cushing thing: I cant believe anyone would give an award to a player who racked up great numbers while on steroids! That makes no sense."

My feeling have always been that steriods are more abundant in football then any other sport, they just a MUCh better job of covering them up.

I mean seriously, guys are NOT supposed to be as big as some of these NFLers are today.

What Cushing tested positive for was a masking agent for when you come off of a cycle.

Dude's on 'roids but nobody is making a big deal out of it. Why? Because a lot of dudes do steroids in football. Funny how it's such a big thing in baseball but nobody cares in football.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 12, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM

Numbers schmumbers. Nance was a decent player but he was just a piece on those teams who was more feared for his shot blocking than his offense. He ran the court well and finished but I don't know that he was better than Tom Chambers who was brought to Phx to replace him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 12, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

articles about never was' who are going to be great

Articles about has beens

Articles about players who r actually good but will adversly affect the team

Hogwash horse feathers cash cow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM

C'est correct.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 12, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Ray I agree. I thought when they re-voted Cushing wasn't a cadidate. Total BS that a juicer is droy

And pete rose isnt in tv hof cause of gambling

Hogwash and horse feathers, I tells ya

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

86 Celtics, possibly, the greatest NBA team ever assembled....Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, DJ, Ainge, Wedman, Sichting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 12, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse
_______
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa...hold on a minute...please be serious...what about the '72 Lakers? The '87 Lakers? That great Sixers team from the late '70s (what year was it?). The 72 win Bulls team from the mid '90s? That Celtics team isn't even in the top 10. Bird was the most overrated NBA player of the modern era, and Mchale was overrated, too. I (respectfully) assert that you are completely, utterly, and totally wrong as wrong can be.

Signed,
a Die-hard Laker fan

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 12, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Ray -- the NFL suspended Crushing for four games.

I'm sure it would have been longer if they found direct physical evidence of drug use, but they only discovered a known masking agent and cannot actually prove he used steroids.

Posted by: siris | May 12, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM

Numbers schmumbers. Nance was a decent player but he was just a piece on those teams who was more feared for his shot blocking than his offense. He ran the court well and finished but I don't know that he was better than Tom Chambers who was brought to Phx to replace him.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Just trying to get a player who paralleled McHale. Within small margins, Nance and McHale played the same years, same minutes, same scoring, same shooting %, etc etc. People saw a lot more of McHale, for obvious reasons.

You can minimize the numbers if you want, but if you could trade McHale for Nance for their careers, I think the Celts get the same results with either guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

thank for pointing out how overrated McHale was

Posted by: zcezcest1

Anyone who thinks McHale is overrated either (1) never saw him play, (2) doesn't know the first thing about basketball or is (3) referring to his career as a suit.

The Boston front line i their prime was the best to play the game as teammates ever

Posted by: TheCork | May 12, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Ain't Showing Me No Love Dept:

1. B Orakpo. The dude had more sacks than C Matthews III and got hardly any votes for AP Defensive ROY. Matthews got 12 and Po got 3. NFL.com lists both at the OLB position.

2. A Haynesworth. Okay, so the snub of Orakpo was because in the minds of the voters Hayney did most of the work for the sacks that Po was credited with. So the Skins thank Hayney by making him a 3-4 space eater?

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

outside of college or the historical era, most of the cross-over types involve baseball anyway.

Jim Thorpe rocks.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 5:07 PM |
That's an easy one to explain. If you're "playing" 2 sports and 1 is baseball, you're still only playing one sport.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 12, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Ain't Showing Me No Love Dept:

1. B Orakpo. The dude had more sacks than C Matthews III and got hardly any votes for AP Defensive ROY. Matthews got 12 and Po got 3. NFL.com lists both at the OLB position.

2. A Haynesworth. Okay, so the snub of Orakpo was because in the minds of the voters Hayney did most of the work for the sacks that Po was credited with. So the Skins thank Hayney by making him a 3-4 space eater?

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:10 PM

The reason Orakpo got dissed is because he plays for the Skins.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 12, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 5:19 PM |

MOL = Moo Out Loud

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I dislike when people throw out the cliché of "overated " and "underrated"

There isnt really a rating, if there was players would be rated just about where they should be.

Who is doing all this under/over rating?

Hogwash and horse feathers

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Contract Information for Albert Haynesworth
2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract.
The deal contains $41 million guaranteed,
2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1),

Just edited that one a little, but all you need to see is there, WTF!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | May 12, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

while mchale was effective 10ft and closer to basket him was overrated as was l.bird. I used to watch mchale get destroyed by moses malone 2 players the same height and a few other centers he could NOT play against any good centers because he was too weak and slow he could not check c. barkley either. until they got r.parrish a real center even the 76ers blew them away in the play-offs and he could not stop malone. isiah thomas and d. rodman said publicly(rodman shut bird down)if they were not white players they would never have so much publicity,and like b. russell said years ago boston is one of the most racist cities in the country.

Posted by: wathu19 | May 12, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Kevin McHale is the Richard Nixon. Like Nixon and Watergate, any good that McHale did as a player on the court was overshadowed by his lousy performance as GM of the TimberDogs.

Posted by: randysbailin | May 12, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks McHale is overrated either (1) never saw him play, (2) doesn't know the first thing about basketball or is (3) referring to his career as a suit.

The Boston front line i their prime was the best to play the game as teammates ever

Posted by: TheCork

Saw McHale plenty and the Boston front line was terrific. Never tried to compare them vs other front lines, but off the top, none better come to mind.

Bird was perhaps the best forward ever. Parish was a top tier C. McHale was a good player, on par with Larry Nance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

ah WTF

Play him and make it work

That's WTF

He's good and we suc k

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Gary Payton was good, but not Stockton good. Stockton was a better passer probably equal defender. The only edge i'd give Gary is scoring, but that the George Karl system; PG's are a focal point. Utah it's all about execution and distributing, Yet stocks FG% was very high dispite the fact that he did not shoot much. furthermore The Jazz went made two finals appearances to Seattle's one. Utah would have been nothing without Stockton he made Karl Malone into a Superstar. Put Stockton on any other elite playoff team with a good supporting cast and he would have a ring or more.

Posted by: fullonfully | May 12, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

That's an easy one to explain. If you're "playing" 2 sports and 1 is baseball, you're still only playing one sport.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 12, 2010 6:11 PM

MOL... basketball is good stuff, grudgingly accept baseball, still not convinced golf is a sport.

by the way, Jim Thorpe was not known for golf, but was an excellent ballroom dancer.

Jim Thorpe the golfer is a different matter, entirely.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 12, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Bird was perhaps the best forward ever. Parish was a top tier C. McHale was a good player, on par with Larry Nance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 12, 2010 6:21 PM |

Bird was a show-off, Parish was a pothead and McHale was an undertaker.

Posted by: ItsaFact | May 12, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Nance 17.1 ppg, 8.0 boards and 2.2 blocks
McHale 17.9 ppg, 7.3 boards and 1.7 blocks
Nance shot 54.6%, McHale 55.4% Not a lot of difference -- yet McHale goes quickly into the HOF, Nance isn't even on anyone's radar screen. Is McHale overrated? Absolutely.
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Couple things I can see that seem wrong about the above:

1) it's on the freaking Redskins blog, not an NBA blog.
2) It doesn't consider important variables, such as the players' roles on their respective teams, or the success those teams had over the players' careers.
3) it doesn't offer any head-to-head comparisons, if such were available, assuming they were matched up in games;
3) It blithely concludes that McHale was overrated, rather than that Nance was underrated, without providing any reason for that conclusion.

HoF arguments being ridiculously subjective anyway...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 12, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, CL, I had a coupla Frazetta posters in my room growing up, the Sea Demon and Bran Mak Morn (R. Howard's predecessor to Conan-surprised Hollywood hasn't made the movie yet)..Me and a buddy used to draw Frazetta and Crumb graffiti alll over the place..I called him Frank Creepy because he used to illustrate Creepy and Eerie magazines..RIP Conan's-artist

Posted by: frak | May 12, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 12, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I studied kinesiology had to take a dance class. Once I saw the girls there I wanted to change my major

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 12, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This is a WaPo blog and IMO I think the best single year was the 1978 Bullets! Best center that year Wes Unseld! Best supporting cast of many who knew what TEAMWORK meant! Elvin Hayes, Phil Chanier,Tom Henderson,Mitch Kupchak. Help a brotha out here!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 12, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

WESTBROOK gone without a contract - interesting.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 12, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Westbook will not sign here! Its just a ploy to get more from the rams.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 12, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I meant Westbrook.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 12, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone that commented on this is a MORON. No exceptions...

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Posted by: itkonlyyou56 | May 12, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

There is absolutely no need for Westbrook so I am glad the Skins didn't give him a deal. We have RB's who can catch passes and run the ball.

We need more OL help and WR depth before signing another RB

Posted by: Bious | May 12, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

We need more OL help and WR depth before signing another RB

Posted by: Bious | May 12, 2010 10:15 PM

Agreed the O-Line needs more depth, but the Skins already have NINE WR's on the team right now. Outside of Moss (the only quality #1 WR on the team), you would think they could find three decent ones out of the remaining eight.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 12, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

THIS WP ARTICLE WAS ABOUT WESTBROOK AND THE SKINS. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NBA! IF YOU WANT TO WRITE ABOUT B BALL..PICK AN ARTICLE..THAT IS ABOUT THE ROUND BALL.

WESTBROOK HAS HAD CONCUSSIONS..AND A HOST OF OTHER INJURIES...PLUS THERE IS NO ROOM FOR HIM ON THE SKINS.
THEY HAVE BROUGHT A LOT OF PLAYERS IN..BUT NONE REALLY THAT, ON THE SURFACE, WILL MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. I THOUGHT TEAMS ARE LOOKING TO GET YOUNGER..NOT OLDER?

Posted by: blazerguy234 | May 13, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Sign Westbrook - Cut Portis.

Posted by: anw821 | May 13, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I have a though about Westbrook. I think the Skins should remove the CAPS LOCK key from blazerguy's keyboard.

That is all.

Posted by: GoTeamGoTeamGooooooTeamYay | May 13, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Glad he's gone! The skins need another over the hill back like a hole in the head! Who's gonna be next, Jim Brown?

At least he should have had the decency to talk to the high school kids before he left!

Posted by: sbf845 | May 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Westbrook is a fine receiver, something the Redskins don't have coming out of the backfield.

But at age 30 and with the concussions he has suffered I don't think he is a good fit here with the group of RBs we have.

Somebody in the backfield has to play on special teams.

And with 3 veteran backs already on the roster, playing time is going to be an issue. Everyone is saying the right things now, but just wait until the preseason and we see which player(s) emerge.

I am interested to see if Ryan Torrain has come back from his knee injury at 100% or close to it. Shanahan drafted him in Denver in 2008 and he could be the younger back at 24 this club needs for 2010 to play teams and provide some spark off the bench.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 13, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

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