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Posted at 12:07 PM ET, 02/ 8/2011

Coin toss: Running back options?

By Washington Post editors

So much of the offseason speculation has focused on the Redskins' quarterbacks, offensive line and defensive line that we thought we'd ask a different question: What should the team do at running back? Do you like Ryan Torain as an every down back? Is Clinton Portis still capable of carrying the load or at least helping out? Or should the team be seeking a new starter in the draft or free agency? Let us know what you think.

By Washington Post editors  | February 8, 2011; 12:07 PM ET
Categories:  Chris Horton, Keiland Williams, Running backs, Ryan Torain  
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Comments

Ok, seriously, what kind of coin are they using at WaPo?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and we need a new starter. Neither Portis nor Torrain has proven durable enough to warrant relying on them.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I still have not been issued a four-sided coin.

Also, I'm still vexed at the persistent usage of "Washington Post sports editors" up here. I encourage the WaPo team to man up and put an individual's name on every post. That's how we like it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So, brownwood, what do you think would be a fair settlement?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:35 AM

I think the only fair thing to do would be to play the Superbowl over again this sunday. Free beer at beep's house!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Better make it a Pina Collada with an umbrella for IH8!

Anyone else want a fruity drink?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else want a fruity drink?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse
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I could use a PITA from Seacrets about now.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Should I have a sandwich or pizza for lunch?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I had a burrito, which was yummy, but don't say ham sandwich. That Swedish player we'd like to have is threatening to sue, apparently someone on here said his skills look ROTTEN!

I guess we should sign him now that way we can truly have a team full of lazy, whiney babies that want to sue people!

Oh, sorry, I'd pick pizza!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What about Shawnbrey Mcneal, James Davis or Andre Brown? I think these guys given the chance could prove to be a diamond in the rough. I'm surprised no one ever talks about these guys.

Posted by: Tacaraya | February 8, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? We'll pull someone out of the stands and they'll rush for 1,000 yards. We'll see what happens in the draft and if a guy falls into the 5th round then maybe pick one up but I wouldn't bring in any of the high priced free agents. That's a little Vinny-esque. These guys play a position that involves a high risk of injury and typically is one of the shortest careers in the NFL.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

moe, no doubt thats a good list, I do think that Moss is definitively part of the solution, ALONG with a few of those guys...think of this, VJ, Moss in the slot, James Jones #3, AA #4, and draft pick as #5....thats a solid group...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Think of this...

VJax- what could go wrong with signing a guy with more red flags and DUIs than productive seasons. Have we learned nothing from the Vinny era, Not to mention that Jones can't catch a cold. I'd re-sign Moss if he's willing to settle for a 3 YR deal. WRs are a luxury and need to take a backseat when you have the worst defensive front 7 in the league and 3 Centers making up the interior of your OL.

I want a active but boring FA and Draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let's see if it sinks in this time. Shannahan's track record is that he can turn so-so RB's into solid rushers. How does he do that? He drafts excellent young o-linemen with quality back-ups and opens holes for them to run through.

We don't need to do anything but draft quality offensive linemen. Sure, if a starter quality D-Lineman who can change games is available in the first round, I would be okay with that too, but the focus must be on the o-line.

Posted by: murrayh | February 8, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm still vexed at the persistent usage of "Washington Post sports editors" up here. I encourage the WaPo team to man up and put an individual's name on every post. That's how we like it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 12:14 PM

None of them wants the personal vitriol that inevitably comes with being the acknowledged thread-maker.

That being said, I know editors are the ones who write the headlines. And that "coin toss" prefix is getting played out big time!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Coin toss: Running back options?"


Is Riggins still working out? How about Byner?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

3 Centers making up the interior of your OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

We need 3 balls then, so they can stop playing with theirs and do some real blocking!

SAVE THE 3-BALLED CENTER!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Ok, seriously, what kind of coin are they using at WaPo?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure "Daily d10 Toss" is quite the image they're looking to [intentionally] foster.

Portis could still be a 3rd down back, gaudy mansion or no, right?

Posted by: WorstSeat | February 8, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Def None of the Above.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

dies, 22 touchdowns in his last 52 games...if WR is a luxury, then lets bring in Taylor Jacobs, James Thrash, and Chris Doering, and roll...should work right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

To coin an old phrase, please don't. Not sure how long I can stand this coin toss crap !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | February 8, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

but the focus must be on the o-line.

Posted by: murrayh | February 8, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be upset with and OLineman in either the 1st or 2nd Rd, but the main focus should be Defense.

The Oline is further along than the D. We got Williams last year, Brown should be much better at RT, I believe we'll get Mankins or another good vet. at one of the G spots, and between Lichs-the-stinger, Montgomery and Cook, they should shore-up the other G spot and maybe even push Rabach for some playing time at C. I would like to see us draft a G, but everything else should be Defensively.

The unit that basically finished LAST in the NFL should be the focus!

SAVE THE DIEING DEFENSE!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The unit that basically finished LAST in the NFL should be the focus!

SAVE THE DIEING DEFENSE!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse
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We have needs everywhere... RB, Interior O line, WR, CB, FS, ILB, and NT. And god help us if TWill goes down.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean- ok let's sign a player in the prime of his career to a huge contract (that's what he'll want) and ignore all the red flags. What could go wrong?
Name the last time Shanahan broke the bank for a FA.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss: Running back options?
By Washington Post editors


This thread is why we've been so critical of the folks running this forum.

Running backs?: c'mon, fellas.

Mike Shanahan has had running back production from everyone but the one-legged kid who sits down front, so it might not matter who is playing running back for us.

The trio of Torain, Williams, ? will suffice, thank you.

But the real question 'o the day is, should Santana Moss be allowed to walk?

Should the team invet FA coin in one big name receiver to two 2nd tier type receiver?

Is there a need for size and speed with our receiver group?

It's a passing league, so maybe ballcatchers count a lil higher than ballrunners.

Or: if you're a Washington Post sports editor, you're jugglin' one too many balls to care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Portis should retire and say thanks for the memories. The spirit may be willing but the body is breaking down. Barrin an early retirement the team should cut him outright. Torain is solid but cannot be counted on for a full season so the team needs plan "B" and plan "C" at running back. Frankly, I think K. Williams is solid enough to be a plan "B", but I don't think plan "C" is on the roster right now. The team needs to check out a few UFA's in the preseason. There is no way I would use a draft pick to supplement this position with so many greater holes in the roster.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

But the real question 'o the day is, should Santana Moss be allowed to walk?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse
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With Armstrong, Austin, and Banks, I think Moss becomes expendable. He's been a bright spot in a dark age for Skin fans, but he's been paid well for that already.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

dies, the pack just won the super bowl with some very talented wr's...so calling wr a luxury is short sighted at best...

right now, the redskins have AA/TA/BB under contract, with Moss expiring in a few days....add Thrash, and Doering, and we're set at the LUXURY position.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse


moe, no doubt thats a good list, I do think that Moss is definitively part of the solution, ALONG with a few of those guys...think of this, VJ, Moss in the slot, James Jones #3, AA #4, and draft pick as #5....thats a solid group...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:53 AM |
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sounds like a cerrato / $nyder plan.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

but the focus must be on the o-line.

Posted by: murrayh | February 8, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be upset with and OLineman in either the 1st or 2nd Rd, but the main focus should be Defense.

The Oline is further along than the D. We got Williams last year, Brown should be much better at RT, I believe we'll get Mankins or another good vet. at one of the G spots, and between Lichs-the-stinger, Montgomery and Cook, they should shore-up the other G spot and maybe even push Rabach for some playing time at C. I would like to see us draft a G, but everything else should be Defensively.

The unit that basically finished LAST in the NFL should be the focus!

SAVE THE DIEING DEFENSE!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:44 PM
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I know they need to do some rework on the defense, but I don't think the o-line is as set as you seem to think. For one thing, J. Brown is a free agent and he wants to get paid. My feeling is the team lets him walk because of his price tag and that will be precisely why Mankins won't be in Maroon and Black next year, either. The interior is a bit of a question mark. There are a bunch of maybe's in this area and I hope the team doesn't go into next season without answers at those spots. Wild cards are Cooke and Capers, but not looking for much from these project players. The team could do itself a lot of good by re-signing Brown and Heyer and drafting some interior guys in any round but first. If not that, let Brown walk and draft another tackle first. O-line is still a work in progress and the team could be starting as many as three new guys on the line by the time the regular season rolls around.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Instead of "Coin Toss", why don't they name this segment "Grab Your Ankles, Here it Comes"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Start Torrain and get better depth in the later rounds of the draft.

Posted by: skinswest | February 8, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

We have needs everywhere... RB, Interior O line, WR, CB, FS, ILB, and NT. And god help us if TWill goes down.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Very true, I'm not arguing with you. That's actually a plus to having so many needs, you can just draft the best possible athlete at #10 and it won't matter what position he plays cause we basically need them all.

I just feel like for all we need offensively, we need that many more defenders. This switch to the 3-4 really kicked us in the nuts, we totally weren't ready for it!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

That's the thing, Alan4, I take credit for all the dumb crap I post up here.

The least our hosts could do is take credit for all the dumb crap they post up here. (And the other material which is not dumb crap, of course.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain is a great find, and Keiland Williams is a good change-up, but we lack that "home run" RB that can take it to the house on any given play.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

hess, of course, they shouldn't sign another Free Agent ever.......smart, and logical....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Panty Toss: Are Skinny Chics Still In?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I take credit for all the dumb crap I post up here....


Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 1:09 PM

You could get a sock puppet and then you'd only have to take credit for half the dumb stuff.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

We need the draft AND free agency to rebuild this team...

It seems to me that Shanahan gets maximum production out of his guys, they just aren't as good as other team's starters.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Salad Toss: Would you let your cell mate?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse


hess, of course, they shouldn't sign another Free Agent ever.......smart, and logical....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:09 PM |
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not at all greg, I just hope for once we stay away from the high price FA's, especially the ones that come with baggage so to speak.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Green Bay Packers just demonstrate rather convincingly that it doesn't really matter who's running the ball as long as the rest of the team is doing their jobs?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

right hess, so you want the draft to come, and go, and THEN to start signing guys....who would you expect to sign after the draft realistically, mind you, who would help the team....

I'm thinking, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Virgil Seay will be available....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

(Not sure why I was moved to write out "Green Bay Packers" when either the city name or the team mascot would have sufficed. Note to self: you're being paid by the comment, not by the word!)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Been a while but my offseason wish list:

DL: two or three of Cullen Jenkins, Justin Harrell, Howard Green, Barry Coffield, Paul Solai, Ngata (if he sniffs the market which he won't)

LB: If they see the market Lamar Woodley or Stephon Cooper, Keyaron Fox (young steeler lb)

OL: Two of Justin Blalock, Harvey Dahl, Davin Joseph, Logan Mankins

WR: re-sign Santanna, then one of Steve Breaston, Malcolm Floyd, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Jacoby Jones, James Jones, Legedu Naanee, Sidney Rice.

DB: a true FS, plz god

Draft:
Round one if Von Miller falls take him if not, try and trade back if you can't Nate Solder or Gabe Carimi or DT Marcel Darius

round two if you got a trade back Christian Ponder and hopefully Phil Taylor or Leonard Hankerson, if you haven't picked up more picks Ponder.

Late rounders big bodies for the oline & dline and/or linebackers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If we were close to contending, I'd say sure, bring back CP next year at a reduced cap #. The fact is, we are nowhere near contending and need a youth movement, which I believe is underway in earnest right now.

SO I'd have to let CP walk and roll with Torain as starter, Keiland 3rd down and continue grooming young guys already in town or late round draftees/FAs.

Having said that, I think you have to bring back Tana to play in the slot for 3 more years. Hopefully in 2012 or 2013 he'd play a role on a playoff effort. I think he can produce another 3 years, especially in the slot where his quickness and craftiness plays in.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 8, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse


Didn't the Green Bay Packers just demonstrate rather convincingly that it doesn't really matter who's running the ball as long as the rest of the team is doing their jobs?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2011 1:17 PM |
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besides, how do players become big money FA's ?

if we don't draft and develop our own players, then we'll always be stuck in the FA market. for once I'd like for the redskins to draft players that other teams want to sign when they become FA'S, instead of us always signing theirs to overpriced contracts

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Bean- I'm not saying that VJax isn't talented. I'd sign a 2nd tier guy like Steve Breaston and resign Moss. SB, AA, SM, TA, MK and run some plays to get BB involved.

I'm not worried about WR. I'd rather spend VJax money on a C, OG, and NT/DE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Some people you can never "fully placate."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:07 AM |
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kinda describes you beep

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 12:12 PM

How does it describe me, hessone? You were up here this morning whining about the Super Bowl ads and I rattled off a long list of ones I liked. In this very post that you clipped, my next sentence was "I would have been placated." Sometimes I don't believe you stop to think before you post. Then again, your worst posts are the ones where you do stop to think.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

How disappointing that we had Howard Green in camp and cut him before the season started. He sure looked like a valuable 3-4 Dlineman to me this year.

That hurts.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 8, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You could get a sock puppet and then you'd only have to take credit for half the dumb stuff.


Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think I created PlayAction???

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

hess, with a 1st and 2nd, being really the only low round picks that will likely become starters, explain to me how the team is going to draft the following positions:

C, G, G, WR, WR, NT, LB, LB, CB, S.

I'm not good at math, but how does that work again??

dies, "SB, AA, SM, TA, MK"

breaston isn't a 1, AA should be a #3 at best, Austin is an unknown at best, and MK can't be counted on for anything...just sayin...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse


right hess, so you want the draft to come, and go, and THEN to start signing guys....who would you expect to sign after the draft realistically, mind you, who would help the team....

I'm thinking, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Virgil Seay will be available....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:19 PM |
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greg, who's holding a gun to anyones head saying we have to sign FA's in the first place. GB has one FA signed and they are doing better than the other 31 teams last I checked. you're taking a shopping spree approach to building a team, just like cerrato and $nyder did.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse


kinda describes you beep

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 12:12 PM

How does it describe me, hessone? You were up here this morning whining about the Super Bowl ads and I rattled off a long list of ones I liked. In this very post that you clipped, my next sentence was "I would have been placated." Sometimes I don't believe you stop to think before you post. Then again, your worst posts are the ones where you do stop to think.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:27 PM |
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beep, the only reason I posted this was to get your response, and like always, you didn't let me down. thank you beep

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

right hess....again lacking in logic, or reason, your end of the conversation breaks down....lets sign no free agents...we'll just hope that somehow MK becomes less fragile, and that TAustin is Larry Fitz, and Banks grows 5 inches taller, gains 30 pounds, and somehow, gets faster....not to mention that casey rolledback morphs into dwight stephenson....please start today holding your breath for this to happen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think I created PlayAction???

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 1:28 PM

You were drunk? You were feeling omnipotent? You were being a naughty boy? Who knows. Anyway, we thought that PlayAction created you.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

greg, who's holding a gun to anyones head saying we have to sign FA's in the first place. GB has one FA signed and they are doing better than the other 31 teams last I checked. you're taking a shopping spree approach to building a team, just like cerrato and $nyder did.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan who says absolutely nothing to the media ever about anything relating to his plans, flat out said they plan to be aggressive in free agency. Bruce Allen has said they plan to be aggressive but will aim for younger guys. And we don't really need to ask where Snyder stands on free agency aggressiveness. Face it, with 2 realistic picks that will help, after dumping all the bad money contracts either through cuts and restructuring, and if a CBA is agreed to the best FA class in the history of FA set to hit the market, we will spend and spend a lot. Shanny did come here for a 4 year rebuild effort. What at least gives me hope is Vinny is in New York doing radio and Danny is in court fighting journalists, the people deciding who we sign are actually football people. This will be a huge offseason for the Skins, and it will determine if we finally return to respectability or not. I think Shanny has changed the entitlement, lazy, mediocrity is ok and your job is always safe mentality in the locker room, he has put his systems in place and now he will have the chance to go get the personnel to run it. IMO if you look at what they did last year the only whiff (and admittedly it was a huge one) was McNabb. Kemo Armstrong, Banks, Torain, Williams, Buchanon, Caraker, Jamaal Brown, Lichtensdfhdetrer, and you can even say Grossman (when compared to Todd Collins) were decent from a risk/reward perspective if not good decisions from a how they panned out.

IMO there will be a ton of new faces next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX

Didn't the Green Bay Packers just demonstrate rather convincingly that it doesn't really matter who's running the ball as long as the rest of the team is doing their jobs?


They also demostrated that spreading the field and hitting receivers in stride on short patterns is the best way to jack up the 3-4 blitz crazy defenses that populate the league today.



Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say don't draft a RB this year. We have a few 5th round picks and it looks as if some talented guys are going to be there. I really think Evan Royster has the vision and skill set to really tear it up here and he should be in that range. John Clay, Shane Vareen, Dion lewis and Derrick Locke could be there too. In the 5th round prospects have such a small chance of actually succeeding I'd always take a better prospect over a need. Besides, the only need we don't have is tight end.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry, I'd pick pizza!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:21 PM

As usual...you all were wrong...the correct answer was chinese...but if we're all getting fruity drinks...I'll take one of those PITAs from Seacrets too!

Not really sure why you created PlayAction monk...but thank you!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

from NFL.COM

Snyder says club is exploring relocating Redskin

Team owner Daniel Snyder told the newspaper the Redskins are investigating the feasibility of relocating Redskins Park from its current Ashburn, Va., location -- 32 miles away from FedEx Field (more than a 42-mile drive).

"We would be open to moving our training facility," Snyder said Friday.

"Not our stadium right now but our training facility to a new location, whether it's in Washington, it's in Maryland or in Virginia.

We want to look state of the art. We've been looking at a lot of plans for the New York Jets facility that they just opened. We really like that.

We have an older facility, and we need a new one. So we're open to moving our headquarters."

The owner added that no timeline exists for relocating team headquarters.

"It doesn't take long to build these," he said. "We had the architects come in. Unlike a stadium, it doesn't take that long."
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Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Panty Toss: Are Skinny Chics Still In?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:11 PM

Hell yeah. Put it in soft and when it starts to get hard, listen to her bones pop.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think I created PlayAction???

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 1:28 PM

You were drunk? You were feeling omnipotent? You were being a naughty boy? Who knows. Anyway, we thought that PlayAction created you.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Chicken and Egg theory, who cares.

WE thought that PlayAction created you? What, did you get YOUR sock puppets together in a think-tank to ponder that one?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

oops, that was supposed to say "Shanny did not come here for a 4 year rebuild"

IMO they will sign a bunch this year, then from this year on they will be much more draft focus than years past. But they came to an extremely old depleted roster thanks to Vinny. They will spend a lot to plug holes this year, then use the draft much more prominently after this year when they have a much more stable/strong roster and full compliments of draft classes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Did Moe just break a story 4 days after RI?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

FREE OJ.......

Posted by: VicDamone | February 8, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse


right hess....again lacking in logic, or reason, your end of the conversation breaks down....lets sign no free agents...we'll just hope that somehow MK becomes less fragile, and that TAustin is Larry Fitz, and Banks grows 5 inches taller, gains 30 pounds, and somehow, gets faster....not to mention that casey rolledback morphs into dwight stephenson....please start today holding your breath for this to happen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:36 PM |
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go back and read, never did I say we shouldn't sign FA's greg. as I recall, you were the one beating the drum last season about playing practice squad players and starting DT11. if the redskins sign vjax I hope he does well

one more time, I hope we stay away from big money FA signings. if we do greg, then I'll finally feel like $nyder has stepped back.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

FREE OJ.......

Posted by: VicDamone | February 8, 2011 1:49 PM

Let us know how that works. PlayAction's been offering free beer and couldn't get any takers. Doubt you'll do much better by offering orange juice.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction

Did....just break a story 4 days after RI?


Actually, I was in the middle of trying to find a joke in that story when I absentmindly hit 'submit' when I intended to interview Snyder facility.

Oh, well, another unfunny post goes to waste.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"who's holding a gun to anyones head saying we have to sign FA's in the first place"

"go back and read, never did I say we shouldn't sign FA's greg"

right, hess, you didn't say the above...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Doubt you'll do much better by offering orange juice.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 1:52 PM

Haha...was thinking the same thing beep.

Moe...I figured something had gone awry there...oh well its new news to somebody.

I wonder if Aaron Rodgers really has to go to Disney World now.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

VicDamone

FREE BJ.......

There, fixed it for ya'.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say don't draft a RB this year. We have a few 5th round picks and it looks as if some talented guys are going to be there. I really think Evan Royster has the vision and skill set to really tear it up here and he should be in that range. John Clay, Shane Vareen, Dion lewis and Derrick Locke could be there too. In the 5th round prospects have such a small chance of actually succeeding I'd always take a better prospect over a need. Besides, the only need we don't have is tight end.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 1:42 PM
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Why would you invest a pick in a running back when you have two serviceable young backs plus you have a staff that is known for finding "diamonds in the rough"? Now, if they picked a nose tackle first, then a couple of offensive linemen, and spent the rest of the draft grabbing linebackers I would be happy. In a 3-4, you just can't get enough good linebackers. Of course, this assumes they re-sign Brown, Heyer and Moss or find suitable replacements in free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Titans Coach Munchak Fires Offensive Coordinator


Munchak: You were fired in D.C. and Ballmer.

Why do you think you can succeed as our playcaller?

Jim Zorn: I'm not here to interview for a job.

I'm here for the free BJs.

Somebody has to give them, why not me?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What, Torain hadn't earned it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 8, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

VicDamone

FREE BJ.......

There, fixed it for ya'.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 2:00 PM

Free? Moe would you trust an amateur to do a professional's job?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I was always partial to Vic Damone Jr.'s work myself.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best heaadline:

Tenn. GOP Lawmaker Credits Hooters for Success

Voters were hard-pressed to consider Republican Julia Hurley of Lenoir a boob after the revelation that she once was a Hooters' waitress.

Her campaign slogans were 'Save the Tat-Tats' and 'They're Real, Are You?'


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Better make it a Pina Collada with an umbrella for IH8!

Anyone else want a fruity drink?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It's a Cosmo or a glass of Pinot Noir b_tch.

get it right.

Oh, and Torain should definitely be the starter.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why would you invest a pick in a running back when you have two serviceable young backs plus you have a staff that is known for finding "diamonds in the rough"? Now, if they picked a nose tackle first, then a couple of offensive linemen, and spent the rest of the draft grabbing linebackers I would be happy. In a 3-4, you just can't get enough good linebackers. Of course, this assumes they re-sign Brown, Heyer and Moss or find suitable replacements in free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

My reasons for drafting a 5th round back is pretty much everything you just listed. Because the 5th round IS the rough and we ONLY have 2 running backs. I'm also of the opinion that you shouldn't be counting on 5th round picks to fill your needs. If you are then you may be in trouble. I also think we have plenty of backup linebackers. We need starters not 5th round backups.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

would you trust an amateur to do a professional's job?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Amateurs doing professional jobs:

-Obama as President
-Reid as RI Editor
-Grossman as QB
-Vanilla Ice as Rapper
-DMX as Actor
-Beep as blog leader
-Nick Cannon as host
-Dan Snyder as owner
-Hessone as $nyder Prote$ter
-Cowboys as America's Team

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Amateurs doing professional jobs:

-Beep as blog leader


Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 2:35 PM

Ingrate. I let you blog without paying your annual dues, and this is how you treat me? I'm resigning in September and my Vice President will negotiate terms with you. Mostly it involves paying your dues.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Do we just want serviceable or injury prone RB's on the roster? I like Torain but he isn't getting through a full season ever and Keiland looks to be a good 3rd down back. Maybe they will draft another Terrell Davis feature/game changing back in the 6th round if they use a pick on one.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 8, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse


greg

"who's holding a gun to anyones head saying we have to sign FA's in the first place"

and

"don't sign free agents"

are 2 different things greg.

I hope your snow has melted greg. have a good one

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

-DMX as Actor

PUT THE MONEY ON THE WOOD!!!

WRONG KID!!! .... definitely the wrong father..

... THIS MOTHERF@&#ER HAS MY BABY!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Amateurs doing professional jobs:

-Obama as President

What about:

--Sarah Palin as the intelligent alternative to Obama

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

right hess, however...

"who's holding a gun to anyones head saying we have to sign FA's in the first place"

"go back and read, never did I say we shouldn't sign FA's greg"

said by the same person, contradict one another....get it....

i hope someone upper decks your bathroom.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

i hope someone upper decks your bathroom.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 2:52 PM

We've got a guy right here on RI who specializes in that. Just give him hessone's address and it will be done.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"...we thought we'd ask..." We? Is there someone besides JR asking this question? If so who is it? It's extremely important that "WE" know who's really asking the questions around here dadgumit!

Anyways, what choices does the team have for free agent RBs? I'd stick to the draft for linemen and a QB.

Posted by: BenThere | February 8, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

i hope someone upper decks your bathroom.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 2:52 PM

Hey Poopy. Job opportunity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ingrate. I let you blog without paying your annual dues, and this is how you treat me? I'm resigning in September and my Vice President will negotiate terms with you. Mostly it involves paying your dues.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm joking beep, you're the best blog leader I've ever had!

I thought I paid those dues, I know I gave them to PlayAction to give to you......

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought I paid those dues, I know I gave them to PlayAction to give to you......

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 3:10 PM

Thought we already went over this...I spent your dues to pay my dues at The Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought I paid those dues, I know I gave them to PlayAction to give to you......

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 3:10 PM

This is what people are referring to when they say "The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If Poopy isn't around I'm free to upper deck hessone's bathroom.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"We have needs everywhere... RB, Interior O line, WR, CB, FS, ILB, and NT. And god help us if TWill goes down."

Exactly.

Saying that, they really should draft nothing but OL/DL since they have so many needs. However I think they are going to go QB with that first pick.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 8, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Where's the usual Tuesday RI non-football related video that I'm not going to watch...this is bs.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

What about Shawnbrey Mcneal, James Davis or Andre Brown? I think these guys given the chance could prove to be a diamond in the rough. I'm surprised no one ever talks about these guys.

Posted by: Tacaraya | February 8, 2011 12:22 PM

Until the diamond is actually discovered during a game, it remains in the rough and not worthy of talking about.

I need a little help up here to get out the "return to the power running game" drum I've been beating. Skins should use the draft to get a guy that is like Torain or better. The only way to get out of a cellar when rebuilding (and learning up a new QB) is to pound the rock, get the first downs, keep the opposing defenses on the field, such as. Skins need too improvement on offense, esp. the WR corps not to mention the QB spot, to do anything other than pound the rock.

Posted by: dcsween | February 8, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty good read with sound reasoning"

Pretty much a perfect description of what my friend and I were talking about during the end of the season.

I agree 100% with his blog post.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 8, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse


I think Portis should retire and say thanks for the memories. The spirit may be willing but the body is breaking down. Barrin an early retirement the team should cut him outright. Torain is solid but cannot be counted on for a full season so the team needs plan "B" and plan "C" at running back. Frankly, I think K. Williams is solid enough to be a plan "B", but I don't think plan "C" is on the roster right now. The team needs to check out a few UFA's in the preseason. There is no way I would use a draft pick to supplement this position with so many greater holes in the roster.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty much agreeing with you, RSH. I would try to resign CP to a new contract, one with less salary and lots of performance bonuses, so he can make the same money if he is playing. But if he breaks down again, he only gets a minimum.

Why would he sign...he may make more money this way, and he could stay with the team, and with MS.

If he won't renegotiate, then we have to cut him. He's still a stud, if he is on the field.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 8, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Redskins announce the addition of Chris Morgan as assistant O-line coach. Morgan last with Raiders in same capacity

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I need a little help up here to get out the "return to the power running game" drum I've been beating. Skins should use the draft to get a guy that is like Torain or better.

Posted by: dcsween | February 8, 2011 3:27 PM

Can't pound the rock without a passing game. On the other hand, you can pass without a running game. Green Bay got 50 yards running and 288 yards passing against Pittsburgh.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

He's still a stud, if he is on the field.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 8, 2011 3:33 PM

Right and so is John Riggins. CP will have about 20 more carries this year than John Riggins. CP will retire.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Why would you invest a pick in a running back when you have two serviceable young backs plus you have a staff that is known for finding "diamonds in the rough"? Now, if they picked a nose tackle first, then a couple of offensive linemen, and spent the rest of the draft grabbing linebackers I would be happy. In a 3-4, you just can't get enough good linebackers. Of course, this assumes they re-sign Brown, Heyer and Moss or find suitable replacements in free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

My reasons for drafting a 5th round back is pretty much everything you just listed. Because the 5th round IS the rough and we ONLY have 2 running backs. I'm also of the opinion that you shouldn't be counting on 5th round picks to fill your needs. If you are then you may be in trouble. I also think we have plenty of backup linebackers. We need starters not 5th round backups.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 2:31 PM
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I think we have a bunch of guys who play linebacker, but we don't have a bunch of 3-4 linebackers. To commit to a 3-4 means you have to infuse the linebacker corps with fresh meat almost every year. Of course, the nose tackle is a key weakness, so you have to get him first.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, you can pass without a running game.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 3:35 PM

...with a special QB, O-line and WRs...we don't have those...even in todays pass happy game...it all still starts with at least a respectable ground game.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

NFC East, baby! Smashmouth football. Ya gotta have a buck in that backfield or ya just can't compete. I hate the Giants but I love their 1-2 punch at running back. Makes an average QB play like he's a "Manning" or something

Posted by: BenThere | February 8, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

IMO they will sign a bunch this year, then from this year on they will be much more draft focus than years past. But they came to an extremely old depleted roster thanks to Vinny. They will spend a lot to plug holes this year, then use the draft much more prominently after this year when they have a much more stable/strong roster and full compliments of draft classes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

cosign, z. Last year MS and his staff knew very little about players, other than what was on film. They didn't know about personalities, leaders, etc. And UFA was very thin, due to CBA expiration.

This past year they renegotiated a lot of contracts, cut dead weight, and are in a great position to rebuild. We will see a number of additions, and they will be players familiar with the 3-4 or WCO, players in the mold that Shanny wants.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 8, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

New beat writer's first post.

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

As long as Snyder owns the team, who really cares. The Redskins won't be better than a 8-8 team.

Posted by: rpdrmurray | February 8, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Been a while but my offseason wish list:

DL: two or three of Cullen Jenkins, Justin Harrell, Howard Green, Barry Coffield, Paul Solai, Ngata (if he sniffs the market which he won't)


Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2011 1:20 PM

&^^^^^^^^^&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

the skins cut howard green once already!!! and now is a super bowl ring wearer... go figure...

harrell is a 1st round bust, injury riddled, and played in 14 games in his career...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 8, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Get Ladell Betts back. Should never have let him get away in the first place.

Posted by: bobrutzel1 | February 8, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Get Ladell Betts back. They should never allwed him to get away in the first place.

Posted by: bobrutzel1 | February 8, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Portis isn't coming back at a reduced salary so Portis isn't coming back. Torrain and Williams will be fine but we could stand to find someone in the later rounds. I like the center Wisniewski from Penn State but we could go after Kahlil and keep Rabach for depth. I don't think Phil Taylor will be available when we pick in the second. If we can trade down in the first and secure some more picks then I would take Taylor in the first round. We definately need a good combonation of a great draft and young free agents.

Posted by: fjd124 | February 8, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

With Shanahan's history of getting the most out of running backs via his "system" and considering all of the other team's needs I believe that RB is the least of our worries. Ryan Torain has proven to be more than capable of carrying the load. I would certain look to pick a an additional RB in the late rounds of the draft or via free agency in case Torain gets injured. Remember Ryan Torain was cut by the Bills but look what he did for us. Also Shanahan recognizes talent (ie; Payton Hillis) at RB position where others don't.

Posted by: sidlenox | February 8, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Darren Evans, Graig Copper, Dion Lewis, John Clay...what am I naming here. Really good running backs that are going to go in the 6th round to rookie free agency that can be starting running backs to star backs in this league. Ryan Torain starts next year, get a late round back to free agent back to compliment him and use Keiland Williams as the third down back. Thats a good collection to me. Youth and some fresh legs never hurt at the running back position but you need some veteran leadership from a guy thats actually played and started in the nfl. Torain can be that guy and our next 1,000 yard back.

Posted by: culprit59 | February 9, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Darren Evans, Graig Copper, Dion Lewis, John Clay...what am I naming here. Really good running backs that are going to go in the 6th round to rookie free agency that can be starting running backs to star backs in this league. Ryan Torain starts next year, get a late round back to free agent back to compliment him and use Keiland Williams as the third down back. Thats a good collection to me. Youth and some fresh legs never hurt at the running back position but you need some veteran leadership from a guy thats actually played and started in the nfl. Torain can be that guy and our next 1,000 yard back.

Posted by: culprit59 | February 9, 2011 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't Portis pull an LT in his last 2 playing years and leave to play for one of last seasons playoff teams? I think he is gone in hopes of a Superbowl. We need Shanny to find 2 good RB's - one a HR threat!

Posted by: artsnsportz | February 9, 2011 4:54 AM | Report abuse

A lot of positions you can fill in Free Agency with young guys that had stars playing in front of them. You don't find starting caliber RB's there. I like Torain, and really like Portis, but Torain cannot be the only RB, and Portis age is showing up big time on his body with injuries. We need another starting caliber RB and drafting one would seem prudent. Good RB's can make offensive lines better (don't have to hold their blocks as long) and a strong running game can make QB's and the passing game look better (play action). Not going for a first rounder, but the second, and any picks you can get in trade (third or fourth rounder) could be most helpful.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | February 9, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd be happy with a commitee approach. I think Torain and Keiland Williams showed promise.

I think it is time to move on from Portis. If he accepts a huge salary cut, he'd be worth keeping for his pass blocking, but I cannot see that happening.

What I think we need is a change of pace back. We need someone with speed. Torrain and Williams are both one cut, power runners. If we could get a scat back, someone fast and elusive, a Darren Sproles type without the Darren Sproles paycheck, that would be great.

Of course if we could pick up someone like Jamaal Charles or Chris Johnson, i.e. someone with elite, league leading speed, so much the better.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 9, 2011 6:41 AM | Report abuse

RB committee until they can find some decent blockers & tacklers.

Posted by: dc4life | February 9, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Unless a r/b is drafted with him being featured in mind, the rubbing game will be by committee.

RT showed flashes but his health is still an issue until he proves otherwise.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | February 9, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

All of the above. RB shouldn't be the highest draft priority, but if a good one is available, take him. Then, let the contenders compete and see who wins. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with rotating backs during a game. If one is hot, go with him.

Posted by: JayDickB | February 9, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Almost no running back goes 16 games without some kind of injury. No running back goes or should go 4 quarters anymore without occasional rest. The level of violence is such that it simply isn't humanly possible or desirable if you want your player to have a career longer than 4 or 5 years. Two backs with a third as back-up is the new reality. And, 18 games? Better have a 4th back-up for sure. There just are not that many good backs around to supply all NFL teams for an 18 game season. There is already a quarterback shortage in the NFL. There are maybe 6 or 8 or 10 real quarterbacks in the league. Running back by committee is the way to go.

Posted by: jimbob128 | February 9, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Love Torain but he is just too fragile, and always has been. Keep him for healthy backup and draft a young running back. Portis is toast and Williams will never be more than an average blocking back.

Posted by: pd2710 | February 11, 2011 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Trade our 2nd round pick to N.O. for Reggie Bush

Posted by: coparker5 | February 12, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

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