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Saints cite Moore-Meachem play as a key

One of the key plays of the Washington Redskins' 33-30 overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints on Sunday came on a bizarre sequence at the end of the first half.

With 39 seconds remaining and the Saints facing third and 26 on the Redskins' 44-yard line, New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees dropped back, evaded the Redskins' pass rush and heaved a pass in the direction of tight end Jeremy Shockey.

Shockey was well covered, however, and second-year safety Kareem Moore dived in front of the pass for an interception. Moore jumped to his feet to return the pick and headed toward the left sideline. After 14 yards, he was corralled by Saints wide receiver Robert Meachem. Moore spun and Meachem stripped the ball from his hands, then raced 44 yards down the sideline for a touchdown, tying the game at 17 and halting the celebration at FedEx for what should have been a huge turnover.

"Just when I was running, I was trying to make a play, trying to go score," Moore said. "He had me by the arm and I tried to spin out of it and then he used my momentum and just took the ball from me. He made a good play."

The interception-turned fumble was critical in a half in which the Redskins had mostly limited the league's top-ranked offense, and later was singled out by several Saints coaches and players as the play that kept them in a game the Redskins otherwise may have won securely.

"What a heads-up play," Brees said. "Obviously we are just trying to get the guy down and Meachem has the wherewithal to think about stripping and getting the ball and then taking it to the house. That was unbelievable."

By Paul Tenorio  |  December 6, 2009; 8:21 PM ET
 
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Comments

This is NOT what cost them the game.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Please, tell me more about Brees and the Saints. I'm dying to know when they felt their luck began.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | December 6, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The kicker cost 'em the game. Landry was a big part of the loss too. Zorn being weak in the red-zone was also a problem.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what excuse or play any of u guys wanna blame any loss on - this team sucks!!!! You either win or lose. And to go into next season with THE SAME PERSONEL will ONLY YIELD THE SAME RESULTS. Bring in a defensive minded coach to get into players faces....draft mark Ingram to eventually replace sucky ass PORTIS....fix the O-line...and also replace Mr. Vanilla Blache...how can any coach not win with this level of talent on this team?!?! Stop bringing in too many free agents that stop the development/promotion of younger players!! Take note of the Eagles & Steelers!!!!

Posted by: lszovati | December 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what excuse or play any of u guys wanna blame any loss on - this team sucks!!!! You either win or lose. And to go into next season with THE SAME PERSONEL will ONLY YIELD THE SAME RESULTS. Bring in a defensive minded coach to get into players faces....draft mark Ingram to eventually replace sucky ass PORTIS....fix the O-line...and also replace Mr. Vanilla Blache...how can any coach not win with this level of talent on this team?!?! Stop bringing in too many free agents that stop the development/promotion of younger players!! Take note of the Eagles & Steelers!!!!

Posted by: lszovati | December 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what excuse or play any of u guys wanna blame any loss on - this team sucks!!!! You either win or lose. And to go into next season with THE SAME PERSONEL will ONLY YIELD THE SAME RESULTS. Bring in a defensive minded coach to get into players faces....draft mark Ingram to eventually replace sucky ass PORTIS....fix the O-line...and also replace Mr. Vanilla Blache...how can any coach not win with this level of talent on this team?!?! Stop bringing in too many free agents that stop the development/promotion of younger players!! Take note of the Eagles & Steelers!!!!

Posted by: lszovati | December 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The Skins cannot catch sa break

It's OK to slam JC to ground - no penalty

An incomplete pass ruled an interception

and the ground can cause a fumble if you're a Redskins

The have their problems, but they get too many crappy calls also

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 6, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't hear Rodgers' name called...must've done alright. Smoot was playing physical and London was all over the place as usual. Rak and 99 were not getting a lot of pressure on Brees, but did fill the gaps. Albert was effective in filling his gap plus one.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Here is the remedy for the Redskins Woes:

1. Hire Chris Polian as General Manager (Bill Polian's Son)from the Colts (Cerrato must go).
2. The following players should be released no matter what the CAP Hit (If there is a CAP)
Suisham (release him tomorrow)
Landry
Smoot
Sellers
Portis
Mike Williams
Stephon Heyer
Todd Collins
Batiste
Phillip Daniels
Rob Jackson
Randle El
Carols Rogers
Renaldo Wynn
Randy Thomas
3. Keep Campbell (sign for two years)
4. Draft a quarterback to develop in the 2nd round.
5. Draft an OT with the 1st round pick.
6. Use the rest of the draft after the 3rd round (No 3rd round pick due to Jarmon supplemental pick) to draft Offensive Lineman and fill other identified needs.
7. Let the young kids play and develop (Jarmon, Orakpo, Tryon, Barnes, Kareem Moore, Fred Davis, MARKO MITCHELL, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelley, Chad Rinehart, etc).
8. Consider trading Cooley while he is worth something to fill needs. Fred Davis and Yoder can fill the void.
9. Fire Zorn (May not be all his fault but too many bad memories and bad karma).

This is not the end all and be all.....but it is a start to rebuild.

I know it hurts right now.....but look to the future......Hail.

Bricklacey

Posted by: bricklacey | December 6, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the play where Campbell hurt his ankle near the end? I believe they called a holding penalty on us there, how come there wasn't a penalty for the defender hitting below the knee of the QB, he clearly dove at his legs. Should have been offsetting penalties.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | December 6, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm super happy for the Saints. Hey JR enough of the Saint talk, before and after the game you continue to shill for the Saints.

The Saint's should have said we beat a poorly coached team with a p.o.s. FG kicker and were the beneficiaries of a boat load of calls by the refs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the above comment. This Buffoon Moore play was AS WERE many other plays, the reasons ( plural ) why the Redskins lost. Going for three points when you are at the Saint's 5 yrd line ( playing not to loose, instead of playing to WIN ) and not going for a touchdown was another. The typical Jim Zorn 'play it safe mentallity' that cost us the Dallas game, and two of four missed field goals that week. He won't learn. And his debotchery carries over to the rest of the team. There is plenty of finger pointing to go around alright. The bottom line is, football is a game where when the ball is thrown to you, you catch and hold on. Santana Moss couldn't do it today, nor could Mike Sellers. When you run with the ball, you protect it and hold on...thanks Mike. And Suisam can't kick under pressure, and LaRon Landry should be kicked in the but ( by someone who knows how to kick ) everyday until he learns to cover wide outs properly. Yes, there is plenty of finger pointing to do tonight. You just have to wonder how good the Redskins will make the Raiders look next Sunday?

Posted by: Blueslegend | December 6, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I feel the need to make several points here>
1.Shaun Suisham should never wear an NFL uniform again. The Cowboys game was bad enough, but if there were any doubt, this sealed the deal.
2. J Campbell is and has never been the problem. He has consistently made plays with incredible pressure.
3. ARE stinks at returning anything ever. I dont know what happened to this guy once we got him, but he stinks.
4. The Double Move is the one chink in this defensive armor, but it is way to easy to burn us on it.

Personally, I might not talk to anybody until Wednesday, yet I love this team SOOOOOOO much

Posted by: vze2bnyf | December 6, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I keep Big Mike and let Batiste come to camp and compete. I keep Phil Daniels unless somebody beats him in camp. I keep Rob Jackson hoping he can take over for Rak at LB. I keep Landry and hope somebody can play free safety and move him into the SS spot.

I fire Zorn five minutes ago, if not sooner.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 6, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I think that it has been proven beyond a doubt that Suisham can not be trusted to kick a clutch field goal. Kicks that don't mean anything - oh he makes most of those. But it's time to cut his choking azz. The team played their hearts out and to lose because of the stinking kicker really sucks bad.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The idiot kicker shouldn't have been brought back after being the least accurate kicker in the league last year.

F Vinny and F Zorn

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

But mostly F Zorn

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 6, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Dont worry Sellers, NFL refs suck it. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814c0903/Sellers-fumble

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 6, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse
I AGREE THE GAME WAS FIXED

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

One of the observations that I had that has not been mentioned yet is damn that New Orlan's cooking must be good because GG must have put on 50 lbs since this past April.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This is NOT what cost them the game.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 8:30 PM

How can you decide, Red? They made so many mistakes that, in a three point game, you can point to any of them.

This one was big. So was Barnes letting the punt hit him. So were the two Landry blown coverages. So was the missed field goal. So was the conservative play-calling when we had the lead. Get just one of them right, then we win.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

But it's time to cut his choking azz.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 8:51 PM

Tony Dungy said tonight "I would get rid of him. That's twice. This would cost him his job before it cost mine, already it's probably already too late for Zorn."

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams looks like he likes New Orleans cooking. Has he gained 25 - 30 lbs?

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you Fire Vinny hire Holmgren as GM keep Zorn, Keep the sherms, Don't care what you say the offense is improving greatly. Devin Thomas has arrived. Draft O-line in the first and an rb in the second. This team is headed in the right direction, they went toe to toe with the Saints today and SHOULD have won. It wasn't a fluke because over the last month they have improved every week.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 6, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 8:57 PM

It never gets old, however I think no less than 50 have echoed that Grilliams is a little robust.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

F THE SAINTS! F THE SAINTS! F NEW ORLEANS! This game was SO fixed! This country has been sucking up to new orleans since katrina hit. F THE REFS IN THIS GAME THAT SCREWED US OVER!! Even my 80 year old mother in law, my wife, and my twelve year old saw that Sellars was down before the ball came out. MY REDSKINS played one helluva game and I am 100% proud of them, ESPECIALLY JC!!!

F THE SAINTS F THE SAINTS F THE SAINTS!!!!

Posted by: httr20081 | December 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The running plays were the correct call at that stage of the game. It runs time off the clock while reducing the Saints turnover opportunities. You would expect your kicker to make a 23 yard chip shot for the 10 point lead. I'm sorry but some of the the players lost this game. Cut them, they're losers.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you Fire Vinny hire Holmgren as GM

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 6, 2009 9:11 PM

Holmgren's going back to the Seahawks as GM. And he's already peed on Snyder publicly for the way they treated Zorn.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Saints cite Moore-Meachem play as a key

Really? I think the missed Suisham FG was the biggest key. Why? It allowed the Saints to escape with a win! Duh!

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

skinztattoo89 this team can't win close games with JZ making calls at critical junctions during the game. If you listen to JC, Fred Davis, Devin these guys wanted a TD on the drive Suisham missed the FG. JZ didn't give them that opportunity.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant to say force the Saints to burn timeouts. In any event they didn't need them thanks to Landry's stellar play.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren's going back to the Seahawks as GM. And he's already peed on Snyder publicly for the way they treated Zorn.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

$$$$$$$$$$ does a lot of Talking plus I think the idea of helping Zorn succeed would appeal to him.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 6, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Really? I think the missed Suisham FG was the biggest key. Why? It allowed the Saints to escape with a win! Duh!

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:15 PM

And who should we believe? The Saints, who played the game, or rachel216, who still can't figure out what happened on the missed FG?

You know, I'm going with the Saints on this one. TD = 7 points. FG = 3 points.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the Raiders scored 3 TDs in the 4th quarter to beat the defending SB champions. Anybody like our chances there next week?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren sucked as GM

Posted by: carocanesfan | December 6, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Special Teams coach Danny Smith is a pathetic mess. He's almost as bad as LeCharles McDaniels was. I don't know if we've had a spark in that department since Pete Rodriguez headed up the unit.

Posted by: goatdiddler | December 6, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what Landry has between his ears but it sure isn't brains.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

$$$$$$$$$$ does a lot of Talking plus I think the idea of helping Zorn succeed would appeal to him.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 6, 2009 9:20 PM

1. You're talking money? Who has deeper pockets -- Dan Snyder or Paul Allen? Johnny Rockets money or Microsoft money?

2. Best chance to help Zorn succeed is bringing him back to Seattle. He's toast in DC.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Where's the leadership in the defense? Why doesn't somebody knock some sense into Landry?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

So some say it's either suisham or Moore. I say it is Zorn, all Zorn. Did anyone see the conversations between Zorn and Campbell last week? Campbell looked so perturbed, like he was trying to concentrate and Zorn was riding him and ruining his focus. It was a very telling picture. Zorn just got in everyone's way this game. Hell yes they should've tried to pass down at the goal line. On 2nd down or 3rd down. Throw some variety in there. Don't stop being dynamic. He did stop.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The running plays were the correct call at that stage of the game. It runs time off the clock while reducing the Saints turnover opportunities. You would expect your kicker to make a 23 yard chip shot for the 10 point lead. I'm sorry but some of the the players lost this game. Cut them, they're losers.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:14 PM


IMO you have to take one shot at the end zone, particularly as Fred Davis mentioned, with their LBs flowing hard to the run game. A play action roll out with JC with a run/pass option. Your QB had 3 red zone TD passes, I can't see how you don't give him at least one chance there.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

league source- keep crying that the snap was high, like zorn. loserrrrrrr

yeah, i figured out what happen! he missed the FG! and don't give me this crap "the snap was high"

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the last several years it's been Skins players getting brain lock at key moments. If teams have a collective "football IQ", the Skins as a whole need remedial ed. Dumb penalties, stupid passing decisions, failing to recognize routes and coverages, trying to run before actually catching the ball, not knowing where a punt is, bad clock management, boneheaded play calls, and general unawareness of the situation. Good teams play smart - when was the last time the Skins did anything where people said "Wow, what a heads-up play"?

I know Moore isn't used to carrying the ball, and that should have been in his mind before trying to spin out of a tackle instead of just protecting the ball.

Posted by: pyrotech | December 6, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Trade Landry for some down markers.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

league source- keep crying that the snap was high, like zorn. loserrrrrrr

yeah, i figured out what happen! he missed the FG! and don't give me this crap "the snap was high"

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:28 PM

I'm not giving you anything, honey. You can read RI -- Ethan Albright said the snap was high. Who should we trust -- you or the snapper?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It looked like a good snap to me too. The guy saw someone coming off the end of the line out of the corner of his eye and it distracted him. Unacceptable in the NFL.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Az showing what great receivers look like. Give it up League Source. Suisham CHOKED.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Tell him Rachel. Looks like he needs to bring in another set of eyes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Even if the snap was high it was down in time for the kick. It's only a 23 yarder for goodness sake.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter, he still should've made the kick.

"The bottom line is, and Shaun would agree with this, you have to make the kick," Smith said.

Get over it. Suisham missed a chip shot. It doesn't matter if the snap was high. The hold was fine and he should've kicked it like it was just another kick. But he choked, like sugarstreet said.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Even if the snap was high it was down in time for the kick. It's only a 23 yarder for goodness sake.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:35 PM

Of course it was "down in time for the kick." Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to kick it wide right. Duh.

Point is that the reason it was "down in time for the kick" is because he had to change his stride. His timing was off and that's why he missed it.

Now what excuses do Barnes, Moore, Landry have for making fools of themselves on national TV?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

So some say it's either suisham or Moore. I say it is Zorn, all Zorn. Did anyone see the conversations between Zorn and Campbell last week? Campbell looked so perturbed, like he was trying to concentrate and Zorn was riding him and ruining his focus. It was a very telling picture. Zorn just got in everyone's way this game. Hell yes they should've tried to pass down at the goal line. On 2nd down or 3rd down. Throw some variety in there. Don't stop being dynamic. He did stop.

Posted by: sugarstreet

When I saw Zorn on the sideline talking with Campbell late in the game, my first thought, was "Zorn, you need to leave Campbell alone"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 6, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

He still shouldn't have missed it, you don't need a run up to kick a 23 yard chip shot. Those guys can do it with one step.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

One bright spot from the past several games. Looks like the so called starters and stars of the team from earlier in the year look very expendable now. Cerrato's questionable selection of Fred Davis looks like a smart move now. Team should unload the divas and start next season with true competion at every position. Also, dump Suisham tomorrow morning.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

He still shouldn't have missed it, you don't need a run up to kick a 23 yard chip shot. Those guys can do it with one step.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:43 PM

They can if you tell them "By the way, I'm going to snap it high and the ball is going to be down late, so hold up on your motion." Then it's like you, sugarstreet, and rachel have been saying "a chip shot."

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Point is that the reason it was "down in time for the kick" is because he had to change his stride. His timing was off and that's why he missed it.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:40 PM |

You need to look at it one more time. SS stride was the say. He didn't follow through like he should but that's on him not the snap, nor the hold.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Zce, exactly my point! Zorn is the distraction. They're trying to get him out of their the unmanly way. Snyder just needs to be a man for once, pay him, and ask him to please leave.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Heck, I can backheel a 23 yarder over the crossbar.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

After watching Landry's performance and then reading his comments, I hope we trade that chump in the offseason.

What an overrated arrogant donkey.

Posted by: p1funk | December 6, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

SS stride was the say.
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I meant the stride was the same.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

League Source is like his buddy Brownwood, once they take a position, there is no changing their minds. Reviewing the kick will not help him.

SS choked and the Skins paid the price.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 6, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised we haven't read that he's been dumped already.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why everyone is so upset, there are good things that happened today:

-2nd year receivers were good and continue to improve
-The oline played very well and JC had time to go through his reads
-JC played great and proved that if he has more than 1.3 seconds to throw, he can hit the receivers
-Even though beating an undefeated team would have been nice, we protected our draft status (winning football games at this point just doesn't make sense in the long term)
-If it wasn't for LaRon "fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice shame on me again" Landry, the defense actually played well against almost an unstoppable offense
-With every heart wrenching loss, even after inventing new and improved ways to lose, I can sense the infection that is Vinny Cerrato slowly being expelled from my team.

I do have to say I can't fing stand Landry. The guy is flexing his muscles and dancing after stopping a back after he gains 9 yards and bites on a double move up 7 with less than 2 minutes after he bit on the move earlier in the game. Idiot.

Posted by: Moose33 | December 6, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

league source is the only defending suisham. how pathetic. suisham even said himself "i missed a kick."

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

League Source is like his buddy Brownwood, once they take a position, there is no changing their minds. Reviewing the kick will not help him.

SS choked and the Skins paid the price.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 6, 2009 9:49 PM

Maybe. I'd like to watch it again. I was persuaded by Albright's comments that the blame isn't all on SS.

But, on the scale of "choking" Suisham can't come close to Landry, Moore, Barnes. And when the Saints say "Moore-Meacham play was key" it makes me think that the Suisham miss wasn't key.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I have been a redskin fan and i am also a colts fan being from indianapolis....i came over to the skins as a fan when lombardi came from the green bay packers...i was a fan in the glory years...but what i witnessed today was enough....please tell me redskin owner are
you going to keep going down this road or are you gonna get a good gm to start over....please send ZORN....AND THAT PISS POOR KICKER ON A SLOW BOAT TO AFGHANISTAN!! and yes i know afghanistan is land locked....might as well send the owner along for company....GO COLTS

Posted by: tommy_indy | December 6, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The high snap had nothing to do with it. Suisham didn't finish his kick. He left his hips and his shoulders open, and when you do that, the kick pushed right. He blew it, plain and simple.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

league source is the only defending suisham. how pathetic. suisham even said himself "i missed a kick."

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 9:54 PM

I always feel more confident I'm right when I realize that you're convinced of the opposite.

As for what Suisham said, yeah, it's nice to see a guy take responsibility, just like the snapper and the holder did, and the opposite of Laron Landry.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm not upset. I stopped caring about this organization years ago. Interest was revived somewhat for GibbsII but has since waned. Believe me it will impose less stress on you. Stress will shorten your life you know. This organization is slowly killing those that care too deeply. Moose33 correctly points out that there is room for optimism. I will begin to care again when the organization shows me it is willing to do what it takes to succeed and actually succeeds. Until then.....

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

But, on the scale of "choking" Suisham can't come close to Landry, Moore, Barnes. And when the Saints say "Moore-Meacham play was key" it makes me think that the Suisham miss wasn't key.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 9:55 PM

Can't argue with Landry. Dude is a punk and needs to be benched and traded or moved to SS. My choice is to trade the sorry piece of shti.

Barnes was unfortunate that a shanked punt hit him. Maybe he should have looked up, but I would not call that a choke.

Moore was trying to make a play. Can't fault that. Maybe he needs to hit the weight room, but again, I would not call that a choke.

What Shankham did was a choke.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Some positives from this game:

-They played better than most anyone expected them to. Yes, they lost in heartbreaking fashion, but they weren't expected to win - or even still be in the game by half time.

-Devin Thomas: wow, what a breakout game for him. I hope this is the beginning of some really good things from Devin.

-Fred Davis: solid. Davis isn't about to replace Cooley, but he is filling in very well.

-Jason Campbell: best game as a Redskin.

-Offensive line: great job. This was going to be sack-a-palooza for Greg Williams' defense and they ended up with none.

Everyone - me included - will focus on the negatives all week, but I just wanted to put it out there that there were a lot of positives to take away from this game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

what? missing a chip shot field goal that puts your team up 10 and the game out of reach is not CHOKING?

Moore's play was just bizzare... Meachem made a fantastic play. I don't really blame Moore. That's not choking. Barnes is just a little clueless rookie. Suisham has one job to do and that's to kick and he choked. Everyone knows it. Stop defending him.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I think it's now obvious: League Source is trolling.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The high snap had nothing to do with it. Suisham didn't finish his kick. He left his hips and his shoulders open, and when you do that, the kick pushed right. He blew it, plain and simple.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 9:57 PM

And if the snap and hold had been good, maybe he wouldn't have left his hips and shoulders open? He did make three other field goals where the snap and hold were good, right?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

League-source-

Are you dating Suisham. If so tell him he sucks, what was his excuse last year, or against the cowboys.

This game was a comedy of errors and the Skins refused to win.

Quit hittng on Rachel if you're dating Suisham.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The one silver lining in this loss is that it makes Cerrato look even worse.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn made the correct call playing for the FG and putting the Skins to win the game in regulation. The kicker essentially missed an extra point. Suisham has really choked in both the Dallas game and today on short field goals that would have put the games out of reach That just can't happen in an NFL game.

The game also showed that JC has the potential to be an upper echelon QB in the league if he has some protection. One bad INT really hurt at the end of regulation, but the game should never have come down to that if the defense hadn't given up two long TD's and had an INT returned against them for a TD!!

Landry is not a free safety and the coaches have known that for two years. It's sad to see that Blatche hasn't come to the same conclusion and put him at strong safety. One play or player doesn't lose a game, but there is no excuse for giving up the second TD when you're essentially in a prevent defense trying to force a team to use up the clock.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

-Jason Campbell: best game as a Redskin.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 6, 2009 10:00 PM

I'm waiting for the "but" part to this statement.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Moore forgets to protect the ball on contact and that's not choking?

Barnes is on punt reception and doesn't even know where the ball is and that's not choking?

You guys are handing out passes like crazy.

The FG Suisham missed -- after making three others -- wasn't even to win the game. Even after the miss we had a seven point lead. So how did the Saints score seven points in 1:42? That's where the choke was -- the defense. "The Redskins entered the game with the league's top-rated pass defense, but Brees shredded the unit for 419 yards through the air. It was the fifth time in Brees' career that he passed for over 400 yards."

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The refs suck, but if you wanna make money see which way the calls are goin and then call your bookie

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

This game was a comedy of errors and the Skins refused to win.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

More like a tragedy of errors.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I've been up and down, philosophical and angry.

My final call: angry.

When there are this many weird little things--guys not putting the ball away, kickers not sharp enough to deal with the hiccup of a high snap, a head coach who doesn't realize he has a free pass play going to the two-minute warning--well it's on the leadership.

From that perspective I'm happy--no false consciousness from this game.

Posted by: farstriker | December 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THE NFL HAS MADE A BIG MISTAKE IN ALLOWING REPLAYS OF POTENTIAL FUMBLES IF THE PLAY WAS BLOWN DEAD. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF SELLERS WOULD HAVE FOUGHT HARDER TO RECOVER THE BALL IF THE WISTLE HADN'T BLOWN? THE SAINTS PLAYER THAT PICKED THE BALL UP DID IT LAZILY AFTER THE WISTLE HAD BLOWN, IT WASN'T EVEN A LIVE BALL WHEN HE RECOVED IT. HOW CAN THE NFL CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUCH REVIEWS?

IT IS A RULE CHANGE THAT MAKES NO SENSE. IF THE WISTLE BLOWS THE PLAY IS DEAD, BOTTOM LINE.

Posted by: cabraman | December 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The refs suck, but if you wanna make money see which way the calls are goin and then call your bookie

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 6, 2009 10:09 PM

Call your bookie and do what? Saints were a 9 point favorite. 'Skins beat the spread.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

More like a tragedy of errors.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:09 PM

I guarantee that if Suisham makes that impossible 23 yd miracle of a FG that the Skins still lose.

Saints go TD, onside kick, FG, OT FG

Zorn and his playing not to lose attitude....F Zorn

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Moore forgets to protect the ball on contact and that's not choking?

Barnes is on punt reception and doesn't even know where the ball is and that's not choking?

You guys are handing out passes like crazy.

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I stand by my 9:49 pm post.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Leaguesource. Suisham makes the field goal and odds are way in the Skins favor to win. But he CHOKED and missed the kick because he cannot deliver under pressure, it's been well documented. Suisham lost the game. Give it up.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Seriously good game! Y'all had the entire city of New Orleans clutching our hearts. Don't be so hard on your team. You're fans; you stick with your team through thick and thin. Trust me - we've been there.
It's just that it's our turn now.

Posted by: mojofearless | December 6, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

@cabraman -- Agree on the replays.

Skins were hosed repeatedly. Standard is supposed to be "convincing evidence" to overturn a call on the field. None of the replays against the Skins were "convincing" and none of the calls should have been overturned.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Farstriker, you've come around. It's all about Zorn. Luck favors the prepared. This team is not prepared to win. They prepare to play well, but not to win. And they could.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins entered the game with the league's top-rated pass defense, but Brees shredded the unit for 419 yards through the air.

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I've been pimping that for the last four days, but everyone but Jack knew I was kidding.

That was one BS stat and I can't believe you are using it in your defense!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Suisham lost the game. Give it up.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:16 PM

Skins leading by 7 points with 1:42 left. Suisham's off the field. I'd say that the defense lost the game. They let the Saints go marching in.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

kins are better..I HATE status quo, which sh*t we consume constantly daily..,.It'll kill us all , washed up on the galactic shore..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFjToKuZQM

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I understand why Jerry Gray isn't with memphis.

Landry bites twice on double moves.

Barens gets hit in the foot with a punt.

And situationally stupid Kareem Moore tries to be a hero instead of covering the ball when there is NO WAY he will "make a score."

That's lousy coaching in fundamentals all the way.

Posted by: TheCork | December 6, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

That was one BS stat and I can't believe you are using it in your defense!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:18 PM

I got it off NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009120608/2009/REG13/saints@redskins#tab:recap

So, I take it you don't think the defense lost the game? They were beasts who held Brees to 419 yards passing?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:18 PM

Sarcasm is a language lost on the stupid.

This D and better yet Blatche's scheme is a joke and so is their statistical ranking. Just be sure that the D will always give up enough to lose...no more and no less.

It's equivalent to tripping over JC's stats and not seeing him for being average.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

hanks for the f*ck with and the sonic censorship...You go kill those 100 Al-Qaeda at a 100 million a day, f*ck them..

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

It just sucks you know, the many ways the Skins find to lose games.

Posted by: curly44 | December 6, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I understand why Jerry Gray isn't with memphis.

Landry bites twice on double moves.

Barens gets hit in the foot with a punt.

And situationally stupid Kareem Moore tries to be a hero instead of covering the ball when there is NO WAY he will "make a score."

That's lousy coaching in fundamentals all the way.

Posted by: TheCork | December 6, 2009 10:21 PM

No, those are three reasons why he SHOULDN'T be coaching Memphis. The reason why he ISNT'T coaching Memphis is different: he got beat out by a popular alum who played for Memphis during what passed for their glory years. So, they did the right thing for the wrong reason.

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, this team is curse.

Posted by: sassyjac | December 6, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

So, I take it you don't think the defense lost the game? They were beasts who held Brees to 419 yards passing?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:23 PM |

I made it perfectly clear who I thought lost the game, Zorn. If he does not play scared on 1st, 2nd and 3rd and goal, with the game JC and the offense were having, the score a TD and win the game. At worst, the Skins SETTLE for a field goal attempt.

Instead he F'ed the team and fans again. He may as well have tried the field goal on 1st down.

Zorn lost the game IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

On Campbell I feel conflicted. On the one hand he has had to play under different coaches in different systems. He hasn't had the time to develop consistently. And he has had to deal with lemons.

At the same time, with those lemons, he just hasn't made lemonade. In several instances, when it has counted and the game was on the line, he has just failed to execute. The DAL, PHL, NYG, DET, CAR, and NO games were all winnable. The Redskins found ways to lose them all. If they win those five games, they are 8-4, not 3-9.

Ultimately I think that, while Campbell is not horrible, he's never going to be a top-tier QB. He's always just going to be average. Maybe if he gets a better line next year he might be able to play well enough to get the Redskins to the playoffs as a wildcard. I'm not sure that he can take the team deep into the playoffs, though.

So I'm kind of divided on Campbell. Keeping him might prolong the team's horrible performance and might mean more 8-8 seasons. Getting rid of him for a new young QB coming out of college means basically writing off the next 2-3 seasons as the replacement develops. So I'm not sure what to do.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417, The players lost the game.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,
No buts. Campbell had his best game as a Redskin.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 6, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Leaguesourse, If Skins lead by 10 they win, plain and simple. But Suisham CHOKED and missed the field goal, and he should lose his job over it. There is a thing called momentum in football and when SS Choked it swung bigtime to the Saints. Get real.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

jaysis league-source you got you contrarian mojo workin tonight...doesn't that schtick ever wear you out?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Landry bites twice on double moves.

Barens gets hit in the foot with a punt.

And situationally stupid Kareem Moore tries to be a hero instead of covering the ball when there is NO WAY he will "make a score."

That's lousy coaching in fundamentals all the way.

Posted by: TheCork | December 6, 2009 10:21 PM

I'd love to argue with you but you're right, except it's Barnes.

I am always shocked that after our DB's give up big plays every week and the camera pans to the sidelines to show the culprits...There is never a coach in the camera shot.

The Blind coaching the Blind, Landry coaching Smoot.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417, The players lost the game.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 10:31 PM

Disagree. The players got jobbed again by a coach who can't leave a good thing alone. When the two Sherm's are calling plays, the offense moves the ball. Zorn continues to call plays in critical situations that make no sense.

Just like the end of last season and the beginning of this season.

Agree to disagree if you want, but in my mind and opinion, Zorn is the cause of the problems with the Skins not winning games that they should.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't lose the game because Sherman Lewis calls the plays.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Inside the red zone too?

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't lose the game because Sherman Lewis calls the plays.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:34 PM

Pay attention. Zorn is on record that he calls the plays in the Red Zone and in some third down situations. He also calls TO that throw off the rhythm of the real playcallers.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Suisham should have been cut before he got to the shower. They should have stripped him of his uniform on the field and forced him to walk home naked. We will mail you your clothes and car keys

Posted by: wootens | December 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis calls the pass plays and he tells Sherm Smith when he wants a run called which Sherm Smith then calls.

If the two Sherms were allowed to call the whole game, the Skins may have won the last three games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't lose the game because Sherman Lewis calls the plays.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:34 PM

It's groundhog's day. Lewis calls the plays and Zorn interjects (interferes) from time to time and calls plays in the red zone.

Haven't you noticed the confusion and conservative play in the red zone. That stinks of Zorn.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

ucked me, hank you very much..Anyway, WAPO is a doom-ed infospew, enjoy your blip-b*llsh*t..

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Looky looky. The offense has improved significantly. Because the team got lucky and found a left tackle trying to redeem himself. The defense lost it? So, now everyone wants to dump Landry?

JC is a good quarterback. He went head-to-head with this year's best. He beat Brady remember? The nice thing, unlike Brees, is that he still has an upside. A potentially significant upside. And this ownership has wasted that by literally chasing the guy out of town. With a decent OL, not even a great OL, one has to wonder what he would in the future? And Portis lovers ... looky, looky ... they are playing MUCH BETTER without that loser. There are a lot of positives that came out of this game. Its too bad we will lose them all after the season because of dysfunctional ownership. As far as the Saints winning. Hey this is their year, you aren't going to stop them. The Skins came really close. It is definitely a great effort, again, given all the adversity. There are some very impressive guys giving their all trying to make something happen in a vain effort to get something from this season. You should all be very proud of them.

Posted by: periculum | December 6, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Leaguesourse, If Skins lead by 10 they win, plain and simple. But Suisham CHOKED and missed the field goal, and he should lose his job over it. There is a thing called momentum in football and when SS Choked it swung bigtime to the Saints. Get real.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:33 PM

Oh, come on VegasJ. Saints get the ball with 1:42 and the Skins are up by a TD. If the defense does their job, the 'Skins win. Does that mean the defense should lose their jobs?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was good today, but Fred Davis and Devin Thomas played better (Campbell has got to WIN)...
The Globalist dweebs are following the same pattern 1929, bailing the world economy out through war, after sending it into a dive in order to buy it all up in a fire sale (the Dow Jones is soaring)..."What A Way To Go", required human viewing before the idiot species checks out of the condemned hotel...

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

periculum, Well said brother.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come on VegasJ. Saints get the ball with 1:42 and the Skins are up by a TD. If the defense does their job, the 'Skins win. Does that mean the defense should lose their jobs?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:44 PM

Landry should lose his FS job, yes. Bench him until he gets it. Rogers already lost his job for the same reason. If a player keeps making mistakes, then they should be benched.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 6, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

LeagueSource, obviously you never bet with a bookie, there are many bets to be made other than just the spread

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 6, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

leaguesource, truth be told, the skins should have played for the td instead of putting the game in the hands of Suisham, looks like Zorn should have learned not to do that from the Dallas game. Zorn has to learn not to depend on the defense to win the game especially when the other team runs those pesky double moves (nothing you can do about those double moves). MOMENTUM changed when Suisham CHOKED. It's really not that hard to understand, try concentrating.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

aysis league-source you got you contrarian mojo workin tonight...doesn't that schtick ever wear you out?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 10:33 PM

Yeah, most of the time. But this one just seems so absurd. There are two possibilities: bad snap caused the miss or Suisham "choked" and that caused the miss.

In reality, it's impossible to know which it was. But no one up here but me is willing to admit that we'll never know or even it's possible that it was the snap and hold, so they assert Suisham choked and has to be fired to get some ragamuffin in off the street with four games to play. (BTW, if we fire Suisham, we still pay his salary the rest of the year.) Further, they're convinced that this is why we lost the game. It wasn't Zorn, Moore, Barnes, Landry. It was Suisham. I'm just trying to get one of them to come up with some explanation as to why they know they're right.

But, I'm done. Shutting it down for now. Looking forward to confronting Brownwood tomorrow with his post from Friday: New Orleans 55, Skins 0. Talk about simple-minded....

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

best Skins related news in weeks (from PFT/NBC)

"Hall of Fame head coach Joe Gibbs and former Sunday night/Monday night analyst Joe Thiesmann will join Tom Hammond to call the opening game of NBC Sports' January 9 playoff doubleheader. Tiki Barber will serve as the sideline reporter."

Sweet!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

MOMENTUM changed when Suisham CHOKED. It's really not that hard to understand, try concentrating.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 10:50 PM |

Or when Albright choked. We'll never really know, will we?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The kicking game:

-The Redskins keep Ethan Albright on the roster specifically for his special teams hiking skills. He doesn't do anything else. He is Mr. Automatic and at a position where some teams worry, the Redskins never have with Mr. Automatic in there.

-One of the many attractions of Hunter Smith as a punter for the Redskins was his ability to hold for the kicker. Zorn doesn't want his backup quarterback holding for kicks for some strange reason (probably because he didn't like to do it himself when he played). Anyway, Hunter Smith was supposed to be very experienced at holding.

-Shaun Suisham was signed to a restricted free agent tender offer for one year at the beginning of the season. Apparently the team didn't see enough in him to commit to any longer term contract. Coming into the season, Suisham had a conversion rate on field goals of 77.9 percent, which puts him in the bottom half of kickers in the league.

Of these three human variables, which sounds like the most likely person to be responsible for a missed field goal? Of the three, which one sounds like the one the Skins would have sought a significant upgrade for in the offseason?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 6, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

The high snap had nothing to do with it. Suisham didn't finish his kick. He left his hips and his shoulders open, and when you do that, the kick pushed right. He blew it, plain and simple.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 9:57 PM

And if the snap and hold had been good, maybe he wouldn't have left his hips and shoulders open? He did make three other field goals where the snap and hold were good, right?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:03 PM


League, you've just got to let this one go, man. The snap was a little high, but the hold was perfect. The snap was not off enough to affect the timing of the kick. I was a kicker, I've been there. You have to make that kick. I'm tellin' you, this one is on Suisham. And I hate to hang kickers out.

Watched it over and over on the DVR. Camera was in the perfect place. He didn't finish the kick, plain and simple.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Edvar can you be at Ashburn Tuesday AM for a tryout?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Or when Albright choked. We'll never really know, will we?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:53 PM

Let us consider baseball...

A pitcher throws a pitch that a catcher should catch and he misses...passed ball

A pitcher throws a pitch that the catcher can't catch...wild pitch

Why are you going all Ray Finkle from Ace Ventura, you might as well be screaming "laces out".

Snap was down and he missed it. That's why they keep track of his makes and misses.

Just like a receiver who gets a hand on the balland should catch it, Suisham got his foot on the ball.

This is my FU list
1. Zorn
2. Landry
3. Suisham
4. Jason Reid

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, none of the guido bars where I live in NJ would turn the game on, I seriously went to three seperate bars. I suppose they didn't like my Manley jersey. I did see the highlights, and while kicker and Moore are at fault Campbell is still responsible for the loss. If he wasn't such a kooter he would had thrown the ball down field. I'm tired of this dude checking down to a back in the flats all the time. I hope he gets picked or one of them fumbles everytime until his testicles drop.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | December 6, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Edvar probably makes that kick!!

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Chrislarry - Not sure the need some middle-aged fat guy out there. I think my range has dropped under 50 yards now anyway...

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

And if the snap and hold had been good, maybe he wouldn't have left his hips and shoulders open? He did make three other field goals where the snap and hold were good, right?

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 10:03 PM


League, you've just got to let this one go, man. The snap was a little high, but the hold was perfect. The snap was not off enough to affect the timing of the kick. I was a kicker, I've been there. You have to make that kick. I'm tellin' you, this one is on Suisham. And I hate to hang kickers out.

Watched it over and over on the DVR. Camera was in the perfect place. He didn't finish the kick, plain and simple.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 10:56 PM |

So your point is that if the snap had been good, then Suisham still would have have missed it, right. And you know this because you were a kicker. And Albright's just blowing smoke when he says "I'm certain I'm the one that threw it off. Like I said, I've got to watch the film, figure out what I did and correct it."

Posted by: League-Source | December 6, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Recipe to cure what ails the common REDSKIN fan:

2010 DRAFT:

1- ERIC BERRY
2- RT
4- Best available OT
5- Best available OG
7- Best available any position

FA:

LT
K
OLB
CB

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 6, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Suisham chokes on another close-game kick and just slash his throat spewing...But the team may never be championship-capable as long as Snidely has the reigns..."What do you mean, this team is MY TEAM" said Irsay bitterly before he stole the Colts in the middle of the night tractor trailers..THEN later , the Colts became championship level...Baltimore got pl,ayed off against Cleveland, Dem and labor strongholds...divide and conquer...

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

1- ERIC BERRY

Clearly, someone is trying to replace Sean Taylor and move Landry to tight safety where he originally started.

Posted by: periculum | December 6, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm certain. He struck the ball well - it had perfect spin, but didn't rotate his hips and he slid his shoulders. Classic push. Wide right.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Mindless decision making...

4th Quarter.
2:04 sec left.
3rd and Goal at the 5.

The clocks going to stop at the two minute warning no matter whether I throw or run.

We've been stuffed twice on 1st and 2nd down runs, losing a yard in the process.

What genius thinks, "I'll run again!"

Not one attempted throw into the endzone to put the game away.

Suisham's miss was the Football Gods' way of punishing the truly stupid...

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 6, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Leaguesource, Seriously - with the game on the line do you want Suisham kicking? I would rather have any other kicker in the League.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Albright's doing the noble thing by falling on his sword to protect his kicker. They are a team.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching Jeremy Bridges shut out Jared Allen?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

- ERIC BERRY

Clearly, someone is trying to replace Sean Taylor and move Landry to tight safety where he originally started.
Posted by: periculum | December 6, 2009 11:07 PM

There is no replacement to ST.

Eric Berry is the 2nd best player in the draft behind Suh.

BTW...Jeremy Bridges is shutting down Jared Allen

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA Diesel I guess you are!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 6, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Jeremy Bridges is getting it done against the Vikings. Thanks Vinny!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think Zorn played it right. Bleed the clock with the run, then kick the FG. They should have made the kick, and then the game would have been out of reach. Sucks that K missed it. Should have won.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Jeremy Bridges is getting it done against the Vikings. Thanks Vinny!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 6, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Eric Berry was quoted at one point as saying that Sean Taylor was one of his idols and that he tried to play like! Just watching all the Tennessee games he reminds you of Sean in the way he hits, covers, and just the way he looks out there. Pure ball hawk. Wouldn't be mad with the pick as long as we fill some other holes through FA. F the aints, F dallas. goodnight.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | December 6, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Former Terp and All American EJ Henderson with a disgusting leg injury.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, none of the guido bars where I live in NJ would turn the game on, I seriously went to three seperate bars. I suppose they didn't like my Manley jersey. I did see the highlights, and while kicker and Moore are at fault Campbell is still responsible for the loss. If he wasn't such a kooter he would had thrown the ball down field. I'm tired of this dude checking down to a back in the flats all the time. I hope he gets picked or one of them fumbles everytime until his testicles drop.

Posted by: AnthonyMix

The dumbest post game post today. What game did you you watch you idiot.

Posted by: dcwun | December 6, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we'll get lucky and Suisham will pull a muscle and get put of IR this week.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Former Terp and All American EJ Henderson with a disgusting leg injury.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:17 PM |

UGLY! That knee is gone. They don't bend that way.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

What a great line from Boswell in the Post:

". . . LaRon Landry, who, week after week, takes the "safe" out of safety."

Posted by: farstriker | December 6, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Mindless decision making...

4th Quarter.
2:04 sec left.
3rd and Goal at the 5.

The clocks going to stop at the two minute warning no matter whether I throw or run.

We've been stuffed twice on 1st and 2nd down runs, losing a yard in the process.

What genius thinks, "I'll run again!"

Not one attempted throw into the endzone to put the game away.

Suisham's miss was the Football Gods' way of punishing the truly stupid...

Posted by: bozomoeman | December 6, 2009 11:08 PM

Ding, ding...please collect your price.

Kind of like kicking a FG on 3rd down. Nothing like a team with 8 loses still playing not to lose.

F Zorn

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Suisham got a secret Smithfield Ham for his efforts- who wouldn't throw a game for a Smithfield Ham?? heh-heh..

Posted by: frak | December 6, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I'm a happy man, and I'm apparently alone. We went toe-to-toe with an unquestionably elite team today, and coulda shoulda woulda. Here we were, "playing the young guys", "seeing what we have", and what we have shows flashes of -- if not excellence, at least adequacy.
The wins matter a lot less than seeing a set of effective plays. And we had a bunch of effective plays. The fiesta trio is showing flashes, JC started hitting some of these longer throws, and although we took too many FGs, we still scored more TDs than, well, since forever.
I'm not happy with the Kicker, but I'm not gonna cut him until I have something better in hand.
I really unhappy with LL, but I've got Doughty and Horton at SS... if he can't be trained to play FS then I'm going to figure out something.
I desperately want JC to take the ball with 1:13 left and a couple of timeouts and win himself a ball game. I'm not expecting him to do it every time, but look at what Henne did against the Pats today -- that's a signature victory against a tough divisional opponent. When he shows me he can do it once, he gets paid in my book. Without it, I tender him as an RFA and see how next year goes.

Posted by: daggar | December 6, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that bad teams find a way to lose and great teams find a way to win. This isn't the WWE. There is no conspiracy. This is the NFL not the NBA. The Redskins lost beacause they don't know hot to win. They are what we thought they are. A bloated overpaid bunch of primadonnas with a handful of guys that care about there careers and the rest are just collecting a paycheck. Landy is so embarrassing its not even funny. He walks around talking smack, pointing figers, and flexing his guns when he can't even make the most routine of catches. If this team had any stones they would bench him immediately. I'm tired of him flying by the opposing team and missing tackles left and right. This team has no one with a backbone who can get into players faces and put them in there places. Belicheck, Ryan, and Williams would never allow a player to run around like a maniac flexing and talking smack while whiffing on the most basic of plays. The Redskins suck people. Just face it. There's no other explanation. All organizations are defined by who is at the top on down and this team are a complete cluster f. I said it a few weeks ago. This team needs to fire Cerrato and Zorn tomorrow morning. I think it won't happen at this point and we will get another season of Snyderrato and Zorn. Which is ridiculous. They will blame the season on injuries and take a go at it next year, draft a couple of TE's and WR's, try to trade for Ochocinco or Marshall and make a go of it. Zorn is going to coach them up and they'll fall on there faces again. If 2011 is going to be locked up don't think Snyder isn't of thinking of bringing back the band again for one more year and not spend money on an expected locked out year in 2011. The idea has been floated out there. I personally can't take this anymore and in my book Snyder and Cerrato and jerk themselves off into a martini glass and bukake each other while wearing each others skid marked underwear on each others head. They can also circle jerk themselves off in a dirty lingerie party with themselves and Clinton Portis and Mike Sellars while wearing lipstick and dirty drawers.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 6, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RockyTopSkin

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you like the Vols and the skins....Am I right?

I think he will be gone when we draft, unless we can get in the top 5. If Okung is gone and we can't trade back then he is my guy.

He is nothing like ST though, he is however the 2nd coming of Ed Reed and that ain't so bad.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. There's two minutes left, you have a 7 point lead and you are down near the 10 yard line. You bled the clock with two runs already, why throw it on 3rd down? A sack and a fumble, an INT - why risk it. What does a TD buy that a FG doesn't?

You run it up the middle and kick the FG. Game over. Any coach in the league would do the same thing. We missed the FG. CRAP!

Too bad we never coached up our secondary on the perils of double moves...

Still.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"The DAL, PHL, NYG, DET, CAR, and NO games were all winnable. The Redskins found ways to lose them all. If they win those five games, they are 8-4, not 3-9.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 10:29 PM"

You missed two points.

1) You left out KC as a winnable game the team served up to an opponent.

2) Winning only HALF of those games would have the team at 6-6 (w/o KC win) or 7-5 (w/ KC win). Firmly in control of their playoff destiny.

a GM+new HC+ solid OT+decent CB -Carlos Rogers-LaRon Landry-Jason Campbell = improved Redskins

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 6, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

1- ERIC BERRY

Clearly, someone is trying to replace Sean Taylor and move Landry to tight safety where he originally started.
Posted by: periculum | December 6, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Dammed right, and I hope its ownership and management.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 6, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick and tired of hearing LL is playing out of position. Its not like he's been switched to Linebacker or something. Even if he was back at SS, he'd still be making bonehead mistakes, because for one, as a SS, you're still responsible for coverage duties. It's not like he'd be lining up near the line of scrimmage on every play. If a team comes out with 4 WR's, I doubt LL is going to be playing near the line. Please stop with that crap, he's been at FS for 2yrs now and is getting worse.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 6, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Daggar. You are on the money - though I am still unhappy that they lost.

Posted by: edvar | December 6, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

daggar, I understand your optimism. Overall, it was a great game against an elite team. Devin Thomas played lights out, Fred Davis is the real deal. Campbell was outstanding. There is hope for the future. Coaches have these guys playing hard. Even saw Marko Mitchell on the field. Hail.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Natsfan (Elbigchorizo) go back under your rock.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, the Redskins don't suck. They gave the Cowboys, Eagles, and Saints all they could handle and should have won all 3 games. They have deficiencies in personnel and coaching but they don't suck.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 6, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I am a supporter of Jason Campbell and would like to see him back next year.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 7, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

http://www.examiner.com/x-29877-DC-Sports-Examiner~y2009m12d6-Redskins-atrocious-play-calling-down-the-stretch-costs-them-third-straight-game

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:08 AM

That is the greatest article ever written and I agree 100% and have been screaming this very principle this whole year.

F Zorn

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Vegas Jim. I'll be crawling back under the rock in a minute, just wanted to give your mother a chance to rest for a minute. You know how easily her jaw gets tired after she's been polish my know for a few hours. Also, I can't stand when her kootch gets a little dry after humping for a few hours. Don't worry I promise not to punch her in the mouth this time and go all Chris Brown on her. Live through your rose colored glasses, losers. The Skins really played hard and came oh so close. That's loser talk. Indy, NE, Pitt, N.O. don't ever settle for "moral" victories. The game is defined by wins and losses. You play to win the game. Oh great the young guys played hard and much better. Super! Why didn't they play this much early in the season when it could have meant something? Huh? You got another excuse up your nose for that one? This team relies too much on veterans who can no longer perform or refuse to, don't rely on the youth and speed of the kids, and don't know how to win. I'm just a little tired of Haynesworth on the ground rolling around like a beached whale. Great player, but never should have been signed for so much money. Landry = Punk Bama! Zorn = Glorified Clipbaord Holder. I mean basically he's been reduced to being in charge of the coin toss and that's about it. How sad indeed. By the way, Vegas, your mom wants to know if you are going to want some pot roast tomorrow? I told her to make it good, if not, I'm going to go Ike Turner on her pasty azz. If there is a sock on the front door just go ahead and sleep in your car tonite. Thanks, pal.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 7, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

"U.S. Cites Iraq Material As Something That Will Be Needed" blared the Post headline...Yeah, like depleted Uranium evidence could be used to can Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co. for warcrimes...Are the 'Skins like, pro wrestling or something theatrically rigged (like the rest of bullsh*t Washington), I mean, really, the endgames are remarkably similiar, under threat of hitmen, are the players throwing games, sheesh, whassup..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 7, 2009 12:22 AM

Hey blog boy tuff guy, you have a team you root for?

I don't know you and you don't know me...but I would pay you to meet you.

I'm all about inappropriate humor but you're not fun or funny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Redskins fan, have been for my entire life. If you are a true Redskins fan you root for this thing to hit the wall as soon as possible to blow this mess up and start over again with young, hungry talent. Sorry, buddy I'm not interested meeting up with you. I don't swing that way. I'm flattered really, you shouldn't be ashamed of being gay. It's ok, bud. I'm sure coming out to your parents might have been difficult but I'm proud of you, Ringo. Just tone it down a notch with the flamboyant behavior, pal. Again, thanks for the flattery, but I'll have to pass. Take care.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 7, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 7, 2009 12:38 AM

Listen Clown,

You make semi intelligent points and then your attempt at humor goes too far.

Just use a little creativity in your jokes. Mom jokes and gay jokes don't qualify as well written humor.

Step up your game or change your name again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Chorizo, Sorry my Mom died along time ago.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 7, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Vegas Jim your mom and I have been trying to find a way to break it to you. She never died. She faked her death in order to move on from having the guilt of raising a moron. Its alright buddy, its not your fault. She just couldn't keep on living attempting to raise a certified jackhole.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | December 7, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

It's equivalent to tripping over JC's stats and not seeing him for being average.

Posted by: Diesel44

Not today he wasn't average. Today he outplayed one of the two best QBs in the NFL. With a makeshift line, without any decent running backs, and with a committee calling plays.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Here's all you need to know about Suisham.

He once played for Dallas.

Absolutely nothing good has come the Redskins way from Dallas, not players, not coaches, not anything.

You can look it up.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse


If the draft were tomorrow, I'd try to pick an OT in the first round.

And in the second? Forgive the heresy, but I'd be torn between a CB and an RB. Whichever was best. Of course, this depends on whether or not Campbell is retained, in which case a QB is necessary.

The three biggest needs are a stud OLman, an RB to replace Portis and a new corner to replace the departing Rogers.

One thing I like about the Oline--it has gotten considerably bigger. If Big Mike can play OG, Heyer can stay at RT, and Levi Jones can fill at OLT until the drafted kid is ready. I'd plan to have E. WIlliams or Rino replace Rabach in a year or two.

Fourth round, best available on offensive line, LB, corner or FS.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Not today he wasn't average. Today he outplayed one of the two best QBs in the NFL. With a makeshift line, without any decent running backs, and with a committee calling plays.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 1:35 AM

I usually judge my QBs on the only stat that matters W's & L's.

Yes, JC had a great stats 357 yds and 3 TDs, however he had 2 chances to win the game and didn't.

It's not his fault, I know but it's not Bree's fault we gift wrapped a game for him.

Advantage Brees

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

And if the snap and hold had been good, maybe he wouldn't have left his hips and shoulders open? He did make three other field goals where the snap and hold were good, right?
Posted by: League-Source


Yes, he made three pressure-off kicks earlier. But he also missed a pressure kick against Dallas. Don’t recall any comments about bad snaps there.

Look Tiger Woods won tournament after tournament, despite spending the night before burying his Mashie Niblick where it didn’t belong. He didn’t get the yips. Suisham got the Yips.

Hey a holder cost Pittsburgh the win against Cincy Saturday (college) and a kickoff that went out of bounds cost Nebraska a win against Texas. Kickers don’t belong in football. They makeeveryone crazy.

Suisham was doomed the minute he signed with Dallas. NO ONE FROM DALLAS EVER HELPS THE REDSKINS. No one.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say Skins get raped by 5 touchdowns in this game. 55-0, Zorn fired right after the game. And that's my optimistic assessment...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 1, 2009 9:14 AM

Okay, that was Friday. Today's Monday. You were wrong about five touchdowns. You were wrong about the Redskins' goose egg. You were wrong about Zorn being fired.

The only zero around here is you. First to say that you haven't got a clue about the Redskins.


Posted by: League-Source | December 7, 2009 6:13 AM | Report abuse

I knew you'd be here picking a fight, League Source. But I'll take my medicine, I was completely and totally wrong about this one. The Skins showed up with their A-game and played the best team in football tough. Credit due to every player on the roster with the exception of that bum Suisham.

So are we done with the personal attacks, or should I expect more of the same when I predict a loss to Oakland?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Back to the Saints citing Moore-Meachem...if you look at the Washington Times pics of the game slide show, pic #7 shows Shockey touching Moore as he dives by with the ball in his hands on his way to the ground. Before he hopped up...before the fumble...before the TD.

Yet the booth review says...inconclusive evidence, play stands as called TD.

Fast forward to OT on the Sellers play. The Booth had to go frame by frame to convince themselves that ball was out before the elbow was down. It startled the NBC announcers, who after watching it decided they would uphold the play since it is supposed to stand as called unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn.

But Redskins fans have long had that sinking feeling whenever replay is used because for whatever reason, a different rule is used for Redskins games. It's not "play stands as called unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn." It's "play will be deemed against the Redskins unless there is conclusive evidence...and sometimes even then."

So many other reasons they lost that game (double moves, missed chip shot, and not securing the ball even though you should have been ruled down...). So it's just adding insult to injury that on two replay reviews the "play will be called against the Redskins" rule was the criteria the booth was using. It's a longstanding enough pattern (Alstott, TB game, 2-pt conversion, "inconclusive" despite his right elbow down short of goal line because the reviewer couldn't see a ball--which was in his right hand UNDER HIS BODY, which was behind his elbow away from the goal line)that it really deserves a study and an explanation.

Posted by: Banzai45 | December 7, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

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