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Saints Present Special Teams Challenges

Rock Cartwright had a great night Thursday by all accounts and was one of the few guys to actually do so. But he was far from satisfied. He's still kicking himself for not pressing the wedge more on one return. He wishes he could have more quickly avoided the kicker on one return, and possibly taken it to the house.

Cartwright still thinks that, if he could have gained a few more return yards -- even though he clearly swung field position in the game with what he did accomplish -- maybe he could have helped the offense more.


He's demanding more of himself this week, believing the Saints have some of the best special teams units in the NFL. Reggie Bush is an obvious threat in the return game and Cartwright, who studies this stuff almost as much as special teams coach Danny Smith, believes there is plenty of talent and chemistry on New Orleans' kick and return units.

"What don't do they do good on teams?" Cartwright said (I say "said," because he didn't really ask this so much as make a statement. I admit I came to him with a lack of expertise about the particular strengths of the Saints' wedge guys, gunners, etc. Just keeping it real.)

We've seen special teams loom large around here for a long time, and given the quick-strike ability of the Saints' offense, and some of the issues the Skins face on offense (particularly when a team tees off on them deep in their own territory), Washington had better find a way to win the battle of field position

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 9, 2008; 11:00 AM ET
 
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nads

Posted by: nads guy | September 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, we're on the same page, I'm not ready for him yet either, I want to see JC have more opportunity, but also, my leash for JC isn't an entire season anymore, he's a 4th year QB in the NFL, I'm done making excuses for him, and I'm done swallowing the PR stuff from Redskins park about continuity and learning the system and just give him some more time blah blah blah. To learn all the nuances of a system and to have the offense down to where say Peyton does, sure that takes time. To hit an open WR, to make quick decision about getting rid of the ball to avoid pressure (even just throwing it away) to run 4 pass patterns in a play, to read a defense, these things don't really change system to system and we're not talking about long division here, this is football, I've played it all the way to lowly NAIA college level because I have no true athletic talent. But playbook isn't long division, and it boils down to players make plays and at some point JC has to do that. To me it looks like he's not playing with instincts he's over thinking everything, and he's looked like that all his career, and I guess you can say that's because of all the systems, but how long do we wait?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:00 AM

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Would someone w/a subscription kindly post the entire article? Thanks mate!

http://was.scout.com/2/788456.html

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

CAn I get some links to people BEFORE the draft or during the draft wishing we had drafted Royal?

What about the other teams that passed over him? That's why they were steals. Hindsight, etc.

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 11:05 AM

Sorry, but that's not an excuse for the FO. And that's not really a steal either, at #42. Is it possible to hold the FO accountable for once? Or do we give them a free pass as long as they're employed by the Redskins?

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Rock is the Special Teams.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I was there the whole time saying you can find big possession wr's everywhere in FA and you can find backup TE's of the street. We shoulda used our picks on the lines and linebackers not on the gambles of drafting wrs. (which historically is the most difficult position next to maybe QB to draft)

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Royal looked good for sure but it's one game against a team in disarray with their number 1 receiver out. Cutler seems to key in on one guy (if i'm not mistaken Marshall was throw at, as a percentage of the offensive plays, more than any other receiver in the league.)

ONE GAME. Can we please try to keep some perspective. If Royal is blowing it up in week 8 once Marchall is back and D's focus on him then i'll give them props.

I will say that Shanahan did alot of good things to get the kid open. Those bootleg passes were awesome and with JC's mobility and the state of our O-line I'd rather see those than the shotgun.

Get the kids heart rate up running around and see if it calms him down.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The Truth,

Vinny is paid to get the best talent possible. It's his job.

None of us are paid to do this.

He has a very shakey track record, and it's entirely fair to question his picks now that we are beginning to see how they are performing.

So. we'll see how our trio works out.

We'll see if they can get healthy. We'll see if the can line-up properly. We'll see if they can make the active roster for game day.

They were all round 2's - just like Mr. Royal.

Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Quick, name a breakfast treat that is better than a fresh chocolate donut?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:22 AM

The sugar-covered, potentially fried (not sure) cinnamony bread-like thing that looks like a beat up catcher mitt (I think its called "chop suey")

Posted by: dcsween | September 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Where was I when these big WR's were in the FA market... who are you talking about? I did not remember any names jumping out.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Quick, name a breakfast treat that is better than a fresh chocolate donut?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:22 AM

The sugar-covered, potentially fried (not sure) cinnamony bread-like thing that looks like a beat up catcher mitt (I think its called "chop suey")

____________

Taylor Pork roll and a cold beer.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | September 9, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I need parking passes for the RV lot at FEDEX!!!!!!!! I'll take a seasons worth off your hands. I can trade for reg green lot passes if you need those. Please repost if you can hook it up. Thanks!

Posted by: marc | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think even the Broncos were surprised how good Royal is. Reports after the draft were they picked him becaused they were looking for an explosive return man. Royal just happened to come into camp IN SHAPE, busted his tail, actually learned the offense, and basically impressed from day 1.

I wouldn't give up on Kelly or Thomas though. WR's usually take time to develop, not always, but usually.


Posted by: skinswest | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

If we had drafted those little WO you guys would have killed the FO for drafting more small recievers.

Anybody can be a GM 5 months after the draft, I heard no one up here say anything about these guys and we talked alot of draft, so where were all you arm chair GM's.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:12 AM

(1) The entire offseason I was blasting this this team, the FO, and the fans who kept saying we need a "big" WR. It's moronic. We need(ed) a WR, period. You find a guy that can play and you get him. Simple as that. "Big" should never have been a prerequisite.

(2) Nobody here is paid to be a GM for the Redskins. This skins FO is. They're not doing charity work here. If they fail, they're held accountable. It's ridiculous how much mothering people give to the FO right now, as if their some defenseless entity that needs protecting.

For the record, I'm all for giving the acquisitions time to work out. But I'm sick of hearing excuses as to how it's not the fault of the FO for mis-evaluating someone, or trading draft picks, or not addressing certain positions on the team, or making the selections that were made.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I was there the whole time saying you can find big possession wr's everywhere in FA and you can find backup TE's of the street. We shoulda used our picks on the lines and linebackers not on the gambles of drafting wrs. (which historically is the most difficult position next to maybe QB to draft)

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:16 AM

zj,

I agree that we should have drafted lineman either side of the ball and maybe one big receiver, but what was being said was, we should have drafted one of these other guys because they played well in game one, and all I was saying was I heard no talk of tham before the draft.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Actually, the Raiders defense, particularly their secondary, is very strong. Namdi Asomugha, Deangelo Hall, Michael Huff, these guys are all players. And Eddie Royal owned them. If he can stay healthy (he's smallish), he'll be a great player in this league."

lol, DeAngelo Hall is the most overrated defensive player in the league and has been for awhile.


Also, I'm not making excuses for the FO, I'm just saying yall can't judge Royal after 1 good game and say "Oh we should have drafted him! Duh, what a bad decision not to draft him!" Plenty of other FO's passed on him.

Did Vinny draft Bowie over Jordan, too???

Posted by: The Truth | September 9, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Zjfr2;

I think Lasno is also saying what the FO is saying.

I think JC did make quick decisions based upon the pressure in his face and only one sack allowed.

It might not have been the optimal play, but if he holds onto it longer looking for more yards/first downs he may have more sacks and everyone would be yelling at him to get rid of the ball.

I agree his progressions are slow, but the gmen have that ability, only rushing four with 7 in coverage. They dare you to go deep and make you throw quick underneath.

Really in that game we should have just run the ball incessantly until they committed more LB's to the line.

Then go play action over the top to loosen up the coverage. Then you expand the distance between their front 7 and the db's where we slant pattern and out route them all day

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

churros y chocolate, eaten in Madrid at 7 AM after staying out all night dancing and drinking.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | September 9, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Muhamed, Hacket, Bryant Johnson.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what all the fuss is about. If we can sweep NO and Arizona and then split with Dallas and Philthy, I could honestly see the Skins taking the East. Our D is better than any other team in our division by a country mile - with Landry and Springs healthy. Zorn will put in the shotgun, make better use of Kelly and Cooley, include some trick plays to keep teams more honest (e.g. running Thrash on the occasion reverse) and up our scoring to about 22 per game - all we need with this D. Chill everybody the best is yet to come.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Answer to the better breakfast treat, not (necessarily) an explanation for the skins FO draft picks...

churros y chocolate, eaten in Madrid at 7 AM after staying out all night dancing and drinking.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | September 9, 2008 11:29 AM

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | September 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I'm all for giving the acquisitions time to work out. But I'm sick of hearing excuses as to how it's not the fault of the FO for mis-evaluating someone, or trading draft picks, or not addressing certain positions on the team, or making the selections that were made.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:26 AM

We do not know that they mis-evaluated someone yet. It will take a while to grade this draft.

I like how Vinny gets blamed for all the FO stuff, but Gibbs was in charge for the last 4 years when alot of bone head sh!t was done and only a few people on this blog will criticize him for it.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Our D is better than any other team in our division by a country mile - with Landry and Springs healthy

Another "smoker" who posts. LOL!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Adam, I thought you knew what Vinny was doing the night before the draft...

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yup, agreed, all the Redskins draft picks are busts...no doubt, after one game this is CLEAR. Anyone who can't see this is BLIND.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Watch for Kelly this weekend. The kid is gonna be legit.

I agree with Greg. One game a career does make.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I like how Vinny gets blamed for all the FO stuff, but Gibbs was in charge for the last 4 years when alot of bone head sh!t was done and only a few people on this blog will criticize him for it.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM

Um, no, a lot of people (including myself) criticize the skins FO for the mistakes that have been made the over the past 10 years or so. Not just Vinny, not just Gibbs, the entire FO.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Would someone w/a subscription kindly post the entire article? Thanks mate!

http://was.scout.com/2/788456.html


Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:08 AM

I would Anon, but sadly I can't anymore. I am not even allowed to copy the article. The protected that joker. So, you will instead get my hand written quick shot snap. So, you will need to trust what I transcribe.......

Ask any question on it and you shall get an answer......

Posted by: Keim to da Post | September 9, 2008 11:37 AM

Posted by: Keim to da Post | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Greg is correct, we haven't exactly seen the whole redskins offensive package yet. I'm guessing the fairly close loss in NY will lead Zorn to up his timetable for offensive trickery and fireworks. The Saints should expect 60 minutes of Gene Hackman in the French Connection.

Seriously, the matchups favor us in this game, which be a walkover for the Skins. Half the Metro area will be back on the bandwagon before sunrise on Monday.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Yup, agreed, all the Redskins draft picks are busts...no doubt, after one game this is CLEAR. Anyone who can't see this is BLIND.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 11:32 AM

But then they probably are not reading a blog if they are blind, so they don't know they are wrong :-)

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Pro Football Weekly Power Rankings just out.

Holy cow.

3 of the top 5 teams in the league are in the NFC East.

Redskins outa sight.

It's early, but this is rather sobering stuff.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Zone/Power+Rankings/2008/rankings02.htm

Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Quick, name a breakfast treat that is better than a fresh chocolate donut?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 9:22 AM

Frosted chocolate fudge pop tarts, toasted, not nuked.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, the matchups favor us in this game, which be a walkover for the Skins. Half the Metro area will be back on the bandwagon before sunrise on Monday.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM

Which machups are you talking about I don;t like how the mach up against our D.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

GAD, if we played the RAMS we would be up there too... and the Gmen did not look that good after Q 1... or did our D do its job?

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Our D is better than any other team in our division by a country mile - with Landry and Springs healthy. Zorn will put in the shotgun, make better use of Kelly and Cooley, include some trick plays to keep teams more honest (e.g. running Thrash on the occasion reverse) and up our scoring to about 22 per game - all we need with this D. Chill everybody the best is yet to come.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:30 AM


hahahahahhahaahahaaaaa

Greg, I'm not saying they're all busts, but I am saying regardless if they are good or not, they were stupid picks (the 2nd rounders) and the FO should be accountable for that. What are we hoping for out of them? we already have a Pro Bowl TE and Davis isn't going to replace him so we're hoping he becomes a solid backup? Kelly and Thomas for the forseable future are fighting for one starting spot (you're not gonna sit a healthy Moss) so at best we drafted a maybe starter and two backups. That isn't good enough from the 2nd round!!!! 2nd Rounders should be starters either right away or very shortly and we should have been picking people at areas of need not for depth. Personally, I'd have preferred drafting Brandon Flowers, Calias Campell (DE/DT), and a linebacker....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

FFB ***

And a big thank you to Eddie Royal for leading my 7 man bench to outscore my 9 guys who started. I suck at fantasy football.

**** End FFB

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

For the record I was posting a great big "what???" with our second round draft picks, so I reserve the right to continue to be puzzled....

Hopefully Kelly can get healthy b/c I think he could help, Thomas needs like an NFL scared straight type deal..

Davis was, is and will continue to be a mistake draft. Just no other way to cut that cake. Have we ever heard why he was inactive?

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 9, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I know our FO is not great, but we do have more talent then most teams in the NFL, so at some point the players need to play or take the blame.

As my man DOC says all the time and he actually played the game, there comes a time that you need to stop crying about all the stuff going on off the field and with the FO and man up and play football.

You should not need a coach to get you hyped about playing in an opener against a Div. rival. The players on this team have been treated to softly for the last few years and need to start playing with some emotion.

If I was Zorn the next player I saw take off a play or not play hard, would be benched, this would send a message to the team play hard or get replaced.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

GAD, if we played the RAMS we would be up there too... and the Gmen did not look that good after Q 1... or did our D do its job?

Posted by: Zebra | September 9, 2008 11:41 AM


I understand and agree.

I just know how much I don't know about the league. And, I have alot of respect for PFW. These guys know their stuff and don't spin.

It's just their opinion, but their evaluation of the Redskins is alarming.

Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"they were stupid picks"

Allright, who would you have suggested that the Redskins should have taken in their spots? This is your time to shine, don't pull a Sally Jenks, put some work into this, and lets see what you can come up with.

Again, I'd like suggest perhaps patience is required, patience, something beyond just one game.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

I don't know if it's just me but, ever since you changed your name, the insight in your posts has reached new heights of power and wisdom. Give yourself a man hug, you've earned it. Doc normally nails the tail on the donkey, and the words you quote are no exception. Can you imagine the Hogs whining like a gaggle of geese. They'd be chomping at the bit waiting for the next game to clean some clocks.

Posted by: Hanburger's Helper | September 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I completely agree, these players have been treated with kidgloves for years now by grandpa Gibbs and its time for them to play or move on....my issue though is I don't think this FO is capable of bringing quality replacements, they are as inept as it gets in this league. Zorn though seems to have the right personality to me, he's called out the rookies for sucking, he benched Jansen (Gibbs would have waited until week 12) and he has made CP play in the preseason. I like his direction as a coach so far, I still say he is the only guy that we need to be patient with at this point, he just called his first NFL game ever, he's running a proven system, and he seems to be a good leader/general.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

You should not need a coach to get you hyped about playing in an opener against a Div. rival. The players on this team have been treated to softly for the last few years and need to start playing with some emotion.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:45 AM

The one thing this team has NEVER been accused of was being soft or playing without emotion...until now. This needs to be Zorn's top priority as head coach coming into this weekend.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg I already said who I would have drafted.

Personally, I'd have preferred drafting Brandon Flowers, Calias Campell (DE/DT), and a linebacker....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:42 AM

I'll go one further and say I'd have taken Dan Conner at LB, can play inside and out, and would be a large upgrade over Fincher. All of the above were available at our picks (flowers went right after we picked Thomas, the others were there for our other two picks.)

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

+++ but we do have more talent then most teams in the NFL ++++

That pledge pin is poking yer eyes out. Us fans tend to think our players are better than they actually are. QB, below average. RB is above average. OL rapidly declining. WR has a #2 in Moss and not much else. DL lacks consistent rush. LB, Fletcher a beast, Marcus fading. CB, top 3 very over rated. S has TheRon, nothing else.

Posted by: Otter | September 9, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I completely agree, these players have been treated with kidgloves for years now by grandpa Gibbs and its time for them to play or move on

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:51 AM

Woah, woah, woah. When was the last time you saw the Redskins play soft under Gibbs? When was the last time they were out-"intensity"ed under Gibbs?

This last week was on Zorn. He needs to pick up his motivational game. Otherwise, he may risk losing these players in the middle of the season.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Again, I'd like suggest perhaps patience is required, patience, something beyond just one game.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 11:49 AM

Greg, you're completely missing the point. Even if they turn out to be solid players, they were dumb picks, we didn't need to draft a backup TE and two guys to maybe compete for one spot (right now they're competing to beat out Thrash but obviously the goal was for one of them to beat our ARE and return him to the slot where he belongs)

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

zj,

I to think Zorn will get better the more games he coaches.

As to wether or not the FO can bring in quality replacements that remains to be seen.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I would Anon, but sadly I can't anymore. I am not even allowed to copy the article. The protected that joker. So, you will instead get my hand written quick shot snap. So, you will need to trust what I transcribe.......

Ask any question on it and you shall get an answer......

Posted by: Keim to da Post | September 9, 2008 11:37 AM
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Thanks Keim, and I should have signed my name. BTW, in the future to get around the "no copying" you can go

View...
Page Source... and scroll down for the text, which you will be able to copy.....

Posted by: J.D. | September 9, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

psps23, I'm not saying Gibbs didn't motivate and that they didn't play hard, but they made continuously stupid penalties and on offense consistently underachieved and all Gibbs said was it was his fault.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I suck at fantasy football.

**** End FFB

Posted by: 4-12 | September 9, 2008 11:43 AM

I hope your in my league.......

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I understand and agree.

I just know how much I don't know about the league. And, I have alot of respect for PFW. These guys know their stuff and don't spin.

It's just their opinion, but their evaluation of the Redskins is alarming.

PFW had the bears ranked 4th after week one last year and had the giants ranked 21st. i'm not saying it's good to listen to others, but the media as a whole is very reactionary these days b/c they have to fins stuff to fill up their 24/7 sports coverage. let's just see.

Posted by: skins 75 | September 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

zj, agree to disagree.

Is Campbell starting for the Cardinals?

Who took Dan Connor?? Is he starting for them?

Is Flowers starting?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see Gimpy and Boozy join Busty on the field. Defenses, BE AFRAID!

Posted by: YOUR 2008 Top Draft Picks | September 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I understand and agree.

I just know how much I don't know about the league. And, I have alot of respect for PFW. These guys know their stuff and don't spin.

It's just their opinion, but their evaluation of the Redskins is alarming.
Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 11:47 AM


PFW had the bears ranked 4th after week one last year and had the giants ranked 21st. i'm not saying it's not good to listen to others, but the media as a whole is very reactionary these days b/c they have to fins stuff to fill up their 24/7 sports coverage. let's just see.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me, Joe Gibbs 2.0 lit no fires reminiscent of the intensity-demanding JG 1.0. JG 2.0 was contented with close games which he often botched with conservative play calling, only to turn around and lavishly praise the players for playing their guts out. Well they didn't play their guts out, and they weren't well coached, and the DC press (led by the Post) had the guts to speak the truth, for which many blinded fans condemned them. So let it be written.

Posted by: Takoma Park Tackler | September 9, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Another person who had a great night on Thursday is London Fletcher. He is leading the league in tackles with 17.

Posted by: M | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me, Joe Gibbs 2.0 lit no fires reminiscent of the intensity-demanding JG 1.0. JG 2.0 was contented with close games which he often botched with conservative play calling, only to turn around and lavishly praise the players for playing their guts out. Well they didn't play their guts out, and they weren't well coached, and the DC press (led by the Post) had the guts to speak the truth, for which many blinded fans condemned them. So let it be written.

Posted by: Takoma Park Tackler | September 9, 2008 12:04 PM

Moronic post, at best. Gibbs may have had an outdated offensive scheme, a conservative gameplan, moronic decisions regarding in-game management, but he NEVER had a team that lacked intensity. Ever. Even when we were 5-10 with no shot at the playoffs, this team was busting its @ss to play for Gibbs. And I defy you to find any single media report that claims otherwise.

This game on Thursday, however, comprised all the poor aspects of Gibbs 2.0 listed above, PLUS lacked intensity. That's unacceptable. Excuse me for trying to take Jim Zorn to task and hope that he holds himself accountable for his team's performance and intensity.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

+++Rock Cartwright had a great night Thursday by all accounts and was one of the few guys to actually do so. But he was far from satisfied. He's still kicking himself for not pressing the wedge more on one return. He wishes he could have more quickly avoided the kicker on one return, and possibly taken it to the house.++--JASNO


He'll never be a Devin Hester, and I wasn't impressed the early part of last year..but he's showing growth.

I'll MORE THAN SETTLE for the second coming of Brian Mitchell.

And reiterating what I said a couple of threads back, and in keeping with my new, Glass half full attitude--Malcolm Kelly makes Eddie Royal look like Taylor Jacobs.

Eight to ten catches for Kelly Sunday.

Think popsitive adn Good Thigns Happen!!!

Posted by: Glass Half Full Corkczar | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Skippy taught Rock Cartwheel everything he knows about special teens. Who is a more special teen than Skippy?

Posted by: Skippy | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Muhamed, Hacket, Bryant Johnson.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:30 AM

yea, Hackett woulda been great. I can hear it now, "OOOOWwwiiieeee, my toe hurts. I can't play today." To which Zorn replies, "I tried to tell the FO you were a pus."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

yea, Hackett woulda been great. I can hear it now, "OOOOWwwiiieeee, my toe hurts. I can't play today." To which Zorn replies, "I tried to tell the FO you were a pus."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:12 PM

I could be wrong, but Hackett played on Sunday, while Kelley was inactive due to injury.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

zj, agree to disagree.

Is Campbell starting for the Cardinals?

Who took Dan Connor?? Is he starting for them?

Is Flowers starting?

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:02 PM

Flowers is starting and had a good game against the Pats

Campbell is the backup at DE and DT and plays behind Bertrand Berry and Dockett, on our team he'd have started of Daniels and we wouldn't have had to waste a 2nd round pick on a two year rental who can't play against the run.

Dan Conner is a backup to John Beason at MLB for the Panthers who is one of the best young MLB in the league, on our team he would have provided much needed depth and potentially could have started over Rocky who doesn't appear to remember how to cover.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

We're unfortunately at the point where it doesn't matter who coaches or qb's us. The only constant over the last 10 years is bad leadership, and until they change their approach we're stuck as fans.

Forget the long time secretaries, press people, and other redskins park people who were rudely fired. It's the constant change of direction that kills me. Even within the 4 years of gibbs "stability" there was a needless offensive system change.

How many times can we possibly give up first round picks (or 3 high picks as we did with campbell), and then decide we need to change course. I'm losing track, but just in Snyder's era didn't we change directions with Johnson to George, both of them to Banks, a 1st rounder with Ramsey, give up on him after 16 games to play Mathews, then change to Weurfel, then bet the house on Campbell only to have Gibbs trade a 2nd for Brunell before he even saw him play (which we also did with Betts/Portis, but that's a whole other story). Forget the coaches; we've got a crazy history there.

Stop the madness.

Posted by: lifelong fan | September 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Everyone's talking about Royal, and our WRs. While it sucks that neither of our rookies are contributing significantly... the overall focus on wideouts is irrelevant in my opinion. What we have, even without the rookies contributing, would be good if we just has a competent QB that could get them the ball.

The issue on our offense is the play of the QB and age on the offensive line.


Posted by: blueskins | September 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Weekly Power Rankings just out.

Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 11:38 AM

This is why I DETEST Power Rankings. How are we worse than Houston, who got @ss raped by Pittsburgh? We lose by 9 on the road to the defending champs, they get drilled by a wild-card team with no o-line and they are somehow 3 spots better? Bullsh!t.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This game on Thursday, however, comprised all the poor aspects of Gibbs 2.0 listed above, PLUS lacked intensity. That's unacceptable. Excuse me for trying to take Jim Zorn to task and hope that he holds himself accountable for his team's performance and intensity.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM

psp,

What you fale to realize is that if you need a coach to to get you to play hard, then you are a sorry excuse for a Pro athlete.

What do you want Zorn to do throw them a pep rally.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Greg I already said who I would have drafted.

Personally, I'd have preferred drafting Brandon Flowers, Calias Campell (DE/DT), and a linebacker....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:42 AM

I'll go one further and say I'd have taken Dan Conner at LB, can play inside and out, and would be a large upgrade over Fincher. All of the above were available at our picks (flowers went right after we picked Thomas, the others were there for our other two picks.)

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 11:55 AM

I was pulling for Otah, Hardy, and Dre Moore. Cialis looked like sh!t and still does. Connor would not have been a bad choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The one thing this team has NEVER been accused of was being soft or playing without emotion...until now. This needs to be Zorn's top priority as head coach coming into this weekend.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 11:53 AM

You Nailed It

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

JC is coming on DOC's show in a couple of minutes.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Think popsitive adn Good Thigns Happen!!!

Posted by: Glass Half Full Corkczar | September 9, 2008 12:10 PM

Apparently, good SPELLING doesn't happen...

The last time I thought positively about this team was 2006. I thought they would stink to high hell in '05 and '07. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

yea, Hackett woulda been great. I can hear it now, "OOOOWwwiiieeee, my toe hurts. I can't play today." To which Zorn replies, "I tried to tell the FO you were a pus."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:12 PM

I could be wrong, but Hackett played on Sunday, while Kelley was inactive due to injury.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:13 PM

I don't know if he played or not. I know he had an injured toe for a while. My point being, he is always injured, and if Zorn wanted him (he knows Hackett from Seattle), he could have gotten him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

JC inside da Locker Room with Doc Walker on the radio now........

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing about all this talent. This is the NFC East, you need mean, nasty lineman. Without it all your "talent" goes no where. Our best blocker is CP. The guy is a beast. Our QB ain't that talented. The receivers, not really. Our D is oggd not great. But if we can't get to the QB I don't care how good the CB's and Safetys are, someone will get free. On a side note, wouldn't it be nice to go 3-4 games without one of our "core" guys not get injured. Seriously, how can we get a DE who hasn't missed a game in years come here and promptly get hurt. If Brett came here he'd be out by week 3. Atleast we'd have a decent backup.

Posted by: bishop | September 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

on the line, I blame it somewhat on Bugs.
He picked this line as much as Gibbs did.
He was out of action because of his daughters tragic death.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

While the background music provided by the PR Dept. plays the violins, let's not forget, please -- that this team of Danomen are the second highest player payroll in the league!!
They are still the #1 highest for coaches! Yes, St. Joe is still getting his 5 mil sent to his home at Lake Norman. 'Must be for all that consulting he's doing, huh? Actually, it's for keeping his mouth shut about what a joke this franchise really is!

So while, Zorn - without any head coaching experince, somehow muddles thru, with his good-buddy, Sherm (who by the way is trying to help Zorn with playcalling, having never done it before himself), the violins play on.

Send donations to Danoskin Park, VA

Posted by: riggo | September 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes, these players are too used to being pampered, and they are conditioned to not be unhappy about losing either!

It's always funny to me to see them on various tv shows with huge smiles (and huge jewelry), after yet another loss. It's like someone should tell them that they lost!

Until they lose the ClubMed attitude, lil' Dano may as well coach them. It would make little difference (pun intended)!

Boy, I miss the old days - when George Allen coached, "losing was like dying" - You sure wouldn't see a Redskin smiling after a loss. Times sure have changed.

Posted by: bongaloid | September 11, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

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