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Posted at 2:50 PM ET, 12/17/2010

Sally Jenkins: Shanahan needed to take this step

By Washington Post Sports

Sally Jenkins writes that Mike Shanahan needed to bench Donovan McNabb to determine whether McNabb was the problem -- and what he needed to do for next season.

You can read her column by clicking here.

By Washington Post Sports  | December 17, 2010; 2:50 PM ET
 
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Comments

eff Sally

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Read Sally Jenkins?

I think I'll pass, thanks anyway.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This is the most tail backwards crap I have ever seen. Did Minnesota have to bench Farve to see if he was the problem? Or the Cowboys for Romo. How come this is only the answer for black QBs and why do you guys always give this lunacy a pass? I am sick of this crap!!!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

This is the most tail backwards crap I have ever seen. Did Minnesota have to bench Farve to see if he was the problem? Or the Cowboys for Romo. How come this is only the answer for black QBs and why do you guys always give this lunacy a pass? I am sick of this crap!!!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

This is the most tail backwards crap I have ever seen. Did Minnesota have to bench Farve to see if he was the problem? Or the Cowboys for Romo. How come this is only the answer for black QBs and why do you guys always give this lunacy a pass? I am sick of this crap!!!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

repost with additions:

Mack1, MR. Skin21 etal, I get your points, (he has sucked, play youth, accountability...) but why this is a debacle is that all of this was unneeded drama and shows some huge miscalculations made by Shanahallen at the onset. Would would lead them to believe, especially coupled with defensive scheme change, that they could compete in 2010 and thus McNabb, LJ, Slow Willie, Galloway etc?

If this is where we are than they could have kept Campbell for pennies on the dollar b/c of uncapped year and signed Little Baby Shanny's pet Sexy Rexy to compete. If one of them flipped the script on their career trajectory, than great...if not you set yourselves up for QB de al futura anyway.

Instead the Skins seems to bumble from one move to the next....pooping away draft picks, being "hopeful" with AH and thus losing any chance to either buy in or trade him when you could get something, changing D schemes when the unit at constructed might have kept you semi-competitive and so on...

Also, fathers shouldnt work with sons. I apologize if I offend any good father/son deals out there, but its frought with emotional drama. IN this case it plays out in public for all to see and we gotta deal. Little Baby Shanny should have said "no thanks Dad, I seem to have a good thing here in houston and am going to try to make it on my own merits....well that is past the fact that your protige is my boss...by why sweat the deets."

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see how Larry Michael manages to spin this.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

One way or the other, this game has gone from a "watch cause it's Dallas and we're gonna get crushed for sure" game to a "must see game, can't wait to see how this plays out but probably still getting crushed" game.

I'll be watching this game with more interest for sure.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

to determine whether McNabb was the problem -- and what he needed to do for next season.

To determine? If it (somehow) turns out he wasn't, what do they do? Bring him back? McNabb is gone. Finished. He's not coming back perio.d

Grossman is not a MLB quarterback. His record shows that.

As to Beck? Well, start him and see.

I don't think they need to see what Grossman or Beck has to determine whether McNabb's the problem. That's what film is for.

In any case, McNabb is no longer an option.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

$1 million says McNabb throws up

Posted by: jwm1974 | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM

Yep.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 17, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

OMG, rocco cursed? Now that's a bloggist I can get behind.

Go Rock!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 17, 2010 2:51 PM |
___________________________________________

I don't like cursing at all. But I just got a little upset.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

once again, eff sally.

McNabb took a delay of game after the time out? Sure the penalty is officially on #5 but that's on the coaches. Did McNabb call for a run on 3rd and goal from the 6? Once again, on the coaches.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

they just stated he may not be back with the team next year, thus ELIMINATING any trade value he had left, now that teams know this why would they trade for him....ufb...disfunction thy name is Redskins

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 2:47 PM

This is why no one ever goes into a car dealership and says "I'm interested in trading in my car." Once they know you're shopping, you've ELIMINATED any trade value. Might as well donate the car to the Salvation Army after you've made this mistake.

Hey, beantown, a player's trade value is based on what other teams think he's worth, not what we claim he's worth. If there's only one team, you won't get squat (AH at Tennessee). If there's two or more teams, then they have to bid against each other. And after the way he played this season, I'd be surprised if any team wanted him, even if the Redskins had said "McNabb is our future. We wouldn't take three first round picks for him."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

from the jenkins piece:

According to some, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan is not convinced McNabb is a good fit for his schemes. On the other hand, maybe Kyle Shanahan has failed to play to his quarterback's strengths, as McNabb hinted earlier this week.

you can't make this stuff up...we're a punch line...pathetic...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, that eliminates McNabb's shot at a 4000 yard season, and ensures he'll have more INTs than TDs this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 17, 2010 2:33 PM


Know what else would've given McNabb a chance at throwing more TDs than INTs this year? Throwing more TDs than INTs in the first 13 games.

Hmmm.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

giddy cowgirl beeps

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

People who say there will be empty seats and/or many Giants fans at the last home game aren't imparting new information.

I've been seeing empty seats (especially when it rains) and quiet crowds since they moved into FedEx, and that is as much a reflection on the class of fans that hold tickets to that venue as it is about the Redskins poor record over the last 15 years.

There are too many fair-weather knuckleheads in that stadium for my liking.

It's too bad, because there are plenty of hardcore Skins fans out there who'd love to have those seats and who would show up - rain or shine, and make noise - win or lose - to help the team out.

There's really no home field advantage at FedEx; it's like playing 8 games a year at a neutral site.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Santa:

Can I one day get a coaching staff for the skins that is less concerned with their precious schemes and playbook but instead accesses and analyzes the skills/talents/abilities/strengths of the players available and creates gameplans that highlight the strengths and minimize/hide the weakness. I think it used to be called "coaching"

Ever since Bill Walsh in modern NFL we have coaches who have "a way"...Fine if your Bill Walsh but usually fails when your "philosophy" gets in the way of your ability to adapt.

Seems to me both our key cord's Little Baby Shanny and Haze-lett...and by extension Shanahan have fallen victem to this.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

to determine whether McNabb was the problem -- and what he needed to do for next season.

To determine? If it (somehow) turns out he wasn't, what do they do? Bring him back? McNabb is gone. Finished. He's not coming back perio.d

Grossman is not a MLB quarterback. His record shows that.

As to Beck? Well, start him and see.

I don't think they need to see what Grossman or Beck has to determine whether McNabb's the problem. That's what film is for.

In any case, McNabb is no longer an option.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

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MLB quarterback!? LMFAO! put the bottle down and then try to make a point.

Posted by: skins91r | December 17, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

MLB quarterback!? LMFAO! put the bottle down and then try to make a point.

Sorry, major league QB.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course hindsight is 20/20 - or as Spurrier says, "50/50."

They - Shanny and Allen - screwed up by trading for #5.

But when you fock up, you have two choices: either try and cover your mistake, or just own up to it, cut your losses and move forward.

To Shanny's credit, he owned up to the mistake, and said as much on Doc's radio show earlier.

Now... Let's think about drafting Fig Newton.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

MLB quarterback!? LMFAO! put the bottle down and then try to make a point.

Sorry, major league QB.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

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Sorry I had to bust chops on that one. Your point is valid though. Grossman blows!

Posted by: skins91r | December 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Early each Monday morning, before the players start to arrive for their morning workouts in the cramped weight training room of the Redskins practice facility -- Ol' Shanny the head curmudgeon scrawls a word or two onto the white board in the front of the team meeting room.

The word is meant to focus the players on what they should strive to accomplish as they prepare for their next opponent -- and suggest they should commit themselves as individuals and as a team to attaining and sustaining certain high principles, core values or other noteworthy characteristics that separate the truly great from the merely good or lesser mortals.

On occasion, the words have been truly prophetic and inspirational -- like one week earlier this season when strong safety Laron Landry made it his personal mission to "Dominate" -- or another game a few weeks later when the mighty mouse / return specialist Brandon Banks decided to give a one-man clinic on the importance of "Field Position."

Unfortunately, as is often the case at Redskin Park -- there were other times when things did not go so well as intended. Like the time some wayward janitor erased the coach's words and scrawled instead, "FU AH92." The trouble was, given his advanced age and myriad of responsibilities the head coach mistook the message for his own, and although he could not exactly remember writing it, he decided must make it happen all the same -- and subsequently suspended the franchise's poster child for conduct detrimental to the team -- that is, pissing in the Redskins’ communal showers while his other teammates were trying to wash up after practice.

This week, and coming off yet another embarrassing loss in a season full of many such debacles, Ol’ Shanny decided to come in a little earlier Monday morning.

With determination in his step and a glint in his eye, he strode straight to the board like Moses coming down from the mountain to share the God’s own commandments. He then wrote the following words in indelible ink: “Hang Time.”

And as it was written, so shall it be.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm let see this problem been on going for 5 to 6 years.

Maybe is the O-line fault.

Nahhhhhhhhhhh. Can't be they do not count since they don;t score and fantasy football points.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to post here to say I have no interest in reading this article or anything written by Sally Jenkins.

Posted by: dpkennedy | December 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

eff Sally

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2010 3:03 PM

No, thanks.

Posted by: wireman65 | December 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This is the most tail backwards crap I have ever seen. Did Minnesota have to bench Farve to see if he was the problem? Or the Cowboys for Romo. How come this is only the answer for black QBs and why do you guys always give this lunacy a pass? I am sick of this crap!!!!!


Posted by: jtrob_1 | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

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Gotta love when someone injects the race crap into this! Get over it! This has nothing to do with race. Next you'll start crying about how McNabb wasn't given a fair shake because he's black. Please...

Anytime a player or coach who is black gets fired or benched it's racism. When is that crutch gonna fall? probably never, for obvious reasons. BTW the most DISRESPECTED QB in NFL history was white. His name is Trent Dilfer...He won a Superbowl and was kicked to the curb! He didn't have the race card to fall on though. He was white....He just sucked!!
I'm sick of the race card crap!!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Santa:

Can I one day get a coaching staff for the skins that is less concerned with their precious schemes and playbook but instead accesses and analyzes the skills/talents/abilities/strengths of the players available and creates gameplans that highlight the strengths and minimize/hide the weakness. I think it used to be called "coaching"

Ever since Bill Walsh in modern NFL we have coaches who have "a way"...Fine if your Bill Walsh but usually fails when your "philosophy" gets in the way of your ability to adapt.

Seems to me both our key cord's Little Baby Shanny and Haze-lett...and by extension Shanahan have fallen victem to this.

Posted by: chrislarry

Great Point.

Posted by: belly_kilmer | December 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

so basically snyder signs at least 1 high-profile free agent every year, treats him like a god, and it backfires.
Now the one time we actually pick up a quality star player, he is treated like crap. amazing

Posted by: royhperkins | December 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It's not like we can't find the article. It's the fact we don't want to give Jenkins any clicks.

Posted by: deiulay | December 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. This gives me an idea for a suggestion to the Post. What if you guys omitted Sally Jenkins' columns and see if your readership numbers improve? Isn't it worth a try?

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

shanahan is a disaster. He has 2 gifted athletes in McNabb & Hayneworth and benchs them. My 12 y/o knows more about football. Bench Shanahan and see if they start winning.

Posted by: benjschneider | December 17, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Why does Shanahan get such a pass from the media?

Since John Elway retired, the great Superbowl-winning coach Mike Shanahan has accomplished the following in the next eleven seasons that he was employed as an NFL head coach:

* For seven of those eleven seasons, Shanahan's teams did not qualify for the postseason at all.

* For three of those eleven seasons, Shanahan's teams made the playoffs only to be eliminated in the wild card game by a combined score of 111-37.

* In the most successful of Shanahan's eleven coaching seasons after Elway, 2005, the Broncos went 13-3 only to lose the AFC Championship game at home by a score of 34-7.

* For only four of those eleven seasons have his teams won ten games or more in a season. Three times, his teams had losing records. Twice they had .500 records and twice more they won one game above .500 to go 9-7.


Why is it that Shanahan is routinely described as a great coach? His teams have missed the playoffs much more than they've made it since Elway retired. The one and only playoff game that his teams have won since January, 1999 was against the New England Patriots and was assisted by five Patriots turnovers.

Shanahan is an experienced coach, yes. He's a coach who has had success in the past. But he is not statistically a great coach or anywhere near it. A number of other long-tenured coaches have more consistently had their teams in contention for the championship and have produced more results when it counted.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe this has anything to do with race and I don't think arguing about it is productive or healthy.

That said, I disagree completely that any time a black QB is benched by a white coach that there is a racial controversy. I don't remember hearing many other black folks pining away when Jason Campbell was traded away. He was a nice kid but I would have been willing to help him pack.

When Vince Young had a temper tantrum and walked away from Jeff Fisher, I remember hearing Tony Dungy suggest that he should be cut immediately.

McNabb wasn't playing that well. Neither Shanahan or his son are coaching that well. The O-Line is as flimsy and unathletic as ever. The receivers are old, don't scare anyone and don't catch the ball consistently.

This isn't about race. This is about an organization being as pathetic and as badly run as ever. This is about aging warriers who can't quite execute as well as they used to in younger days who will probably excel when they go on to other teams. About a previously successful coach who is no longer able to get it done and is riding off the fumes of his glory from two decades ago. But it's not about race.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

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