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Thanks Z

what rookie power end is producing now for there team? Also, this rush to judement about the draft is a bit early. Take for instance the Gints, most of there rookies didn't come on until the latter end of the season. Still a lot of time to judge this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

What old defensive end is producing for us? My point is we wasted two picks on a old guy who is on the downside of his career to that we hope plays two years to replace another old guy who was injury prone and shouldn't have been a starter because we continue to draft young lineman when we could have drafted a guy that might play for us for 5 to 6 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Z where did you get that info from?

Posted by: Gweez | October 13, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Being reported my Michael Smith and was just announced on the Herd.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

woops, that was supposed to be continue to refuse to draft young lineman

CL we agree most of the time. However, I have to disagree with you on the draft. How WR do well their first year? We can count them on one hand. I think it is unfair for us to if they are a bust or not this early in their careers.

JM220

What the funk happened that got Leigh Torrence fired up at Jim Haslett?

Either way, dude looked like a punk on the second to last play. You gotta get a hand in their Smarty pants!

Just heard that Tony Romo will be out 4 weeks with a broken finger.

Wow, that's huge if so on Romo..where'd u hear that Lisa?

already been posted slow Lisa

This sucks, but I'd rather lose this game than pretty much any others on the schedule. Really, I am mad and disappointed but not deeply concerned. They were coming off a bye and are playing for a new coach, they have talent, and we gave them 3 gifts, including a two TD swing at the end of the half. And they still need a quasi-Hail Mary to beat us. I tried to call in to the Vinny Cerrato show this morning on my way to the office but couldn't get thru. I wanted to say that I really think the team might look back and say that this was a good thing. They should be totally focused and fired up against the Browns. And it will keep them focusing on one game at a time. I don't even want to think about Detroit or Pittsburgh right now.

Wow, that's huge if so on Romo..where'd u hear that Lisa?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 13, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Does nobody pay attention, I posted it on the last thread and the top of this one, Michael Smith reports and the Herd announced

zjfr2, I'm not slow....just at work today and unable to blog like the rest of you.

Right JM220. Like we were going to lean on all 9 rookies this year to win us the Super Bowl........

didn't mean intelligence wise, just meant it had already been posted....

If Moss and ARE were injured like Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown, we'd be seeing a lot more of Thomas and Kelly. And getting about as much production as DeSean Jackson (which is to say, not as much as my fantasy team needs).

Jack -- Jason Taylor was a fair choice at the moment they had to make the call; his price was going up not down. We'll see what comes of it, but to whine that it was a waste is just goofy -- there were several other teams that were about to jump on that trade. And just to be clear, I wouldn't have done the deal -- we weren't one DE away from being a playoff team IMHO, so I didn't see the point.

Here it is in writing"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3640890

First off,

Enough about the draft. We are six weeks into the regular season, and people are still trying to grade THIS years draft? It's pointless - we won't really know how good it is for at least another year...if Kelly or Thomas ended up more productive in the long run than Jackson, would they still be busts?

Second,

The bad news of course is they handled their success poorly, as a relaxed attitude would seemingly get you a sloppy performance. The good news is it isn't as if they were manhandled. They had an outrageously goofy play swing 10-14 points in the Rams favor, dropped some INT's, and threw away scoring drives with more turnovers...and still could have won the game. They almost doubled the Rams production, allowed 8 first downs, and were clearly the superior team physically.

These guys hadn't seen such positive press here in Washington before, and despite all the warnings it obviously affected them. The next test will be if they can dominate a mediocre Cleveland team that will be coming off 6 days rest after playing the Giants.

This should be a get well game coming up. Let's see if they make it so.

What old defensive end is producing for us? My point is we wasted two picks on a old guy who is on the downside of his career to that we hope plays two years to replace another old guy who was injury prone and shouldn't have been a starter because we continue to draft young lineman when we could have drafted a guy that might play for us for 5 to 6 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

My point is that JT will (if he's healthy) have more of an impact this year. At the point the skins got JT, the draft was over and the skins needed to address a need. If the skins drafted a DE, whose to say they don't make that more for JT anyway. Most DE's drafted this year in the 2nd round aren't making an impact. Lawrence Jackson has 15 tackles and 2 sacks. Groves 8 tackles, 1.5 sacks. Merling 12 tackles, 1 sack. Calais Campbell 11 tackles. To make a judgement about the WR the skins got at this point is too early.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Re: Torrence vs. Haslett I

On the punt, Torrence got pushed out of bounds into Rams sideline where he ran into Haslett. It appeared that Torrence thought Haslett tried to trip him or didn't get out of his way.

So, in Torrence vs. Haslett II, Torrence walked back to the coach to let him know his displeasure in no certain terms, and Haslett pushed him. Torrence tried to push him back but was shoved by several Rams players, aka, Haslett's Bodygaurds..........

Does nobody pay attention, I posted it on the last thread and the top of this one, Michael Smith reports and the Herd announced

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 11:49 AM |

Don't break your arm dude.

How long did it take Mario Williams to excel for the Texans???? And he was the #1 pick.

I don't think "there were a lot of other teams ready to pounce." Taylor was available for the entire offseason and nobody wanted him because of the reasons we are seeing, he is old and undersized at one of the toughest positions in football and nobody was sure how committed to football he was. We're seeing that a undersized finesse end isn't a great fit in the NFC East, that his body is breaking down, and we'll see after the year if he's committed to football. But seriously, why do we think this is a good move? How many times to we have to see the grab the big name aging star who comes here and never performs to what he was before we figure it out?

Lawrence Jackson has 15 tackles and 2 sacks. Groves 8 tackles, 1.5 sacks. Merling 12 tackles, 1 sack. Calais Campbell 11 tackles. To make a judgement about the WR the skins got at this point is too early.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor, 11 tackles 1 sack (for two picks and most likely will retire this year)

How long did it take Mario Williams to excel for the Texans???? And he was the #1 pick.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

He had 50 tackles, 4.5 sacks, 3 pass defenses and started every game as a rookie so I'd say it took exactly no time.

My point is that JT will (if he's healthy) have more of an impact this year. At the point the skins got JT, the draft was over and the skins needed to address a need. If the skins drafted a DE, whose to say they don't make that more for JT anyway. Most DE's drafted this year in the 2nd round aren't making an impact. Lawrence Jackson has 15 tackles and 2 sacks. Groves 8 tackles, 1.5 sacks. Merling 12 tackles, 1 sack. Calais Campbell 11 tackles. To make a judgement about the WR the skins got at this point is too early.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 11:50 AM |

So what you are actually saying is that JT is playing comparably to 2nd round rookies so far. The problem being that these rookies have their whole career ahead of them and JT is on his way out. His stats follow. You basically aren't making any sense at all.

SPLIT TOT SOLO AST SACK STF STFY FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2008 11 7 4 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 4

No need to panic. The Skins have a history of letting bad teams bea them.

They will be just fine. Bad decisions dont get better with time.

I'm tired of the arguing, I think the Taylor move was unnecessary and wasteful of our future once again, I think drafting two wideouts and a backup TE was a waste against our current needs, and I am very sure we are still a good football team and I think we rebound from this debacle and make the playoffs as the top wild card, especially with Romo out now we are in even better shape.

Vinny said on ESPN 980 that there will be a new punter next week...Brooks hasn't been cut...

Go back and read the contemporaneous accounts. Chargers, Packers, Giants, Eagles, and I think even CowPies were mulling it over.
Not saying any other deal would have been finalized, but there was interest.

When Andre Carter got here people were saying the same things about him, but he learned to adjust his game. Carter is paying off and he's not a lot bigger now. If the skins use him well he'll pay off during the playoff run. Taylor is competitive he'll adjust his game.

Taylor will be healthy when it counts...late in the season into the post season.

I think the fact they lost may help piss them off a bit and they will take it out on the Browns next week

beep beep

Taylor is competitive he'll adjust his game.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 12:08 PM

Yea right, if he can ever stay healthy in a beast of a division.

zjfr2, I don't think its entirely fair to say that Jason Taylor's body is breaking down. He had two very unfortunate freak injuries that had nothing to do with his body breaking down...In fact, I'm very surprised that his knee wasn't totally destroyed in the preseason when he took that hit, it was nasty.

Was Carlos Rodgers body breaking down last season when his knee injury occurred? Was CPs body breaking down when he dislocated his shoulder? Injuries happen. Football is football, and Jason Taylor has just run into some bad luck.

Right JM220. Like we were going to lean on all 9 rookies this year to win us the Super Bowl........

Posted by: 4thFloor

Actually, that may be necessary if people want to talk about the Super Bowl. Or at least leaning on a good number of the rookies. You can't have 9 guys on your roster that can't be relied upon and expect to be a consistent team. It would be different if all these guys had solid depth in front of them that could temper the expectations, but the WRs in particular are definitely needed in the 3rd/4th WR roles (which are important in this offense).

As I'm far removed from the MD area, I have to wonder about a comment from one of the players stating that the o-linemen couldn't hear the call for various protection schemes. For those of you who were actually at the game, were the fans that stupid to cheer when the offense was trying to march down the field? I'm not trying to make excuses for the lousy pass protection, but fans really shouldn't be part of the problem when the team is at home.

Taylor was the right move at the time. The Giants would have made the deal had the Skins not after Umenyora went down. The season is young. We're 4-2 and his impact will be needed late in the season when weather becomes a factor.