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Samuels Will Miss Sunday's Game Against Chiefs

Left tackle Chris Samuels will not be available for Sunday's game against the Chiefs, Coach Jim Zorn announced today. Samuels suffered a stinger on the Redskins' first touchdown against the Panthers and did not return to the game. Though Samuels said after the game he felt better, he underwent an MRI this morning and Zorn said "he's the guy I'm worried about."

In his place, Stephon Heyer is expected to move from right tackle to left, and Mike Williams will line up at right tackle. Chad Rinehart will likely return to the starting lineup as the Redskins' right guard.

More on this and the rest of today's news conference coming soon.

By Rick Maese  |  October 12, 2009; 12:35 PM ET
 
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LOL at this OL. Thank God we're playing the Chiefs.

If this is our line come Philly, i'd rather not watch.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 12, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I blame the media."

-by Rock Cartwright

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The o-line collapses two years in a row. Who'd a thunk it? (sarcasm big time.)

Posted by: skinswest | October 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

And so it goes...
As a fan I would like to say, I suffer when the team suffers, I celebrate when the team celebrates, and when the team doesn't know WTF is going on, I don't know WTF is going on.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs 37
Redskins 6

Posted by: wizard5 | October 12, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Ya, anyone who thought that Samuels would make it through a full season unscathed must have a very low football IQ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The OL yesterday could have been Runyan, Dockery, Rabach, Kendall and Heyer -- if mgmt wanted it.

With that OL, we'd have won.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to watch more TV and play more Madden in the interests of raising my own very low football IQ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Shaunsherman12,

"You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players"

SS12, there is wisdom behind that statement, for the very reasons that you sight about overhauling coaches and players is the very reason we have sorry O-Line players.

You guys are not seeing THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. This staff, put together with the Owners approval is as bad as the sorry O-Line that everybody wants to point fingers at.

And this staff includes Buges, whom everybody wants to give a pass.

He gets no pass from me.

And again, the O-line is not bad because we have sorry O-Line players, it is bad because we have a sorry staff that is not training and preparing the players properly.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Joey T. said this morning that Rinehart was injured yesterday (at least dinged) and that is why Mike Williams played.

Has anyone heard this elsewhere?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 12, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I read elswhere that they wanted to go with more size at the guard position this past week and were still unimpressed with Rinehart's performance.
And I love Moss's quote about every week being like the movie Groundhog Day. So true!

P.S. I surely will not be watching this weeks game for real. It will be another pared down bonanza on offense. Not worth my time.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Then I'll post on da blog about how the media is to blame.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Chiefs must be licking their chops about this game... how far we've fallen.

This game looked like a mortal lock five weeks ago, and now I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Skins eke out a win. Not shocked, mind you. I mean, hey, the Skins have won HALF the games they've played against the league's worst teams!

Hope springs eternal. Hail.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

O boy, this next game will be interesting then.

Every pass play, with Williams and Heyer as the tackles, will require me to wince as Campbell backs up.

Here's hoping for the best, but fearing the worst with that lineup.

Regarding Cartwright: I have news, Cap. It should have been "Us Against The World" in week TWO.

The world has been kicking you guys around for three more weeks since then. Where have you been?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn mention anything about relinquishing play calling duties during his press conference?

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Carolina, Detroit, Tampa and StL

Record vs the rest of the NFL

0-15

Record vs Skins

2-2.

At what point does management look at themselves and think -- hey, we might have f'ed this thing up?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Joe Gibbs he made that trade there is plenty of blame for Snyder and Cerrato, no need to blame them for things Gibbs did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2009 12:26 PM

Flounder21,

Your recall also points out why Gibbs was never the same in his evaluation of players once Beathard left. Gibbs also picked Desmond Howard and Casserly aloud it along with the breakup of the Posse.

To have a good GM is golden along with a good coach. Good coaches left to themselves can make terrible personnel moves.

Good coaches need good GM's and if my recall is correct, once Bobby Beathard left did we not win another Super Bowl.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

JC better get on his bike with Heyer on his left side. I guess Cooley will go another week without any catches.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah thanks for representing the simpleton's view....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 12:21 PM |

Ground down by the constant stream of negativity about the Skins? Looking for someone to spell you blogging on RI? Y-O-U. Happy now? Heh, heh.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn mention anything about relinquishing play calling duties during his press conference?

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 12:45 PM

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No.

Jim Zen is far too busy crafting a positive spin to put on the bad news of the day.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Joey T. said this morning that Rinehart was injured yesterday (at least dinged) and that is why Mike Williams played.

Has anyone heard this elsewhere?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 12, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I read elswhere that they wanted to go with more size at the guard position this past week and were still unimpressed with Rinehart's performance.
And I love Moss's quote about every week being like the movie Groundhog Day. So true!

P.S. I surely will not be watching this weeks game for real. It will be another pared down bonanza on offense. Not worth my time.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Just answered. Zorn said he wanted more size at the postion. I didn't see the game but according to the hightlights MW did okay in run blocking but its pointless if the guy to his right is getting mashed every single time (run & pass blocking)..sigh

Posted by: overzealous08 | October 12, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to watch more TV and play more Madden in the interests of raising my own very low football IQ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:42 PM |

That might work. But the easier path to take would be to study all the excellent posts on RI to soak up the wealth of knowledge contained in these posts. If you do enough of that you will qualify to be an ESPN analyst and make delphic pronouncements like Adam Shifter. See my post above.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 12:44 PM |

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I dont blame Rock for pushing back at the media. If I were in his position, I would have the same attitude. Can you imagine being at the center of the media tornado that is redskins park for the last 3 weeks?

At the same time, Rocks view is that of a player, a probably not so bright player in terms of the big picture/GMing problems of this franchise.
Im surprised Carlos actually hinted towards the front office having blame and the problems coming from the top. He's not a dumb as he sounds when he speaks. But he still couldnt catch a cold if he had AIDS. Not the Jared from subway kinda AIDS btw.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

On WTEM, Zorn said he was "impressed" (twice) with the effort by the players yesterday.

I told you he was delusional.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Ground down by the constant stream of negativity about the Skins? Looking for someone to spell you blogging on RI? Y-O-U. Happy now? Heh, heh."

Huh?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Repost:

Who is responsible for devising the blocking schemes for play calls in the WCO.

Nobody feels that Buges is responsible for the so called pitiful state of the O-Line.

I refuse to believe the O-Line is pitiful because we just have sorry butt players like everyone seems to indicate.

But, if it is really true that we have sorry butt players for the O-Line, which I don't agree, then is it really the fault of the organization for not upgrading it?

Or, is it the fault of Buges for not standing up and telling whomever that the all the O-Line sucks and needs to be replaced?

Is it Zorns fault as the HC for keeping sorry O-Line players and not replacing them?

Or, is it Vinny's fault as a GM for not upgrading the O-Line?

When you consider all of this, at the end of the day you have to go with what you have.

To me, whomever is responsible for devising the scheme to fit the playcalling for the WCO O-Line is the culprit.

Whether that is Zorn or Buges, or both, then they are equally responsbile for the sorry state of the O-Line.

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players.

It is the training, the scheming, and using what you have to the best of their ablilities and Buges is square in the middle of this crap.

So what, you don't have pro-bowl caliber O-Liners, but I am here to tell, any Professional competent staff should at least get any unit to play AVERAGE!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I am ecstatic the Skins got Orakpo at 13 and Marko in the 7th. But really, did they need any of these players in between to develop for the future instead of drafting ANY Offensive Lineman available instead of none?:

3. Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
5. Cody Barnes, LB, Nebraska
6. Robert Henson, LB, TCU
7. Eddie Williams, FB, Idaho

It's not like anybody can say hindsight is 20/20 on this either since everybody seems to know that OL was the main issue before even last season. Tough schedule ahead. Our hearts are thinking compete & win every week as we yell at the tv, but only the Chiefs, one of the Cowboys games & the Raiders game may only be the winnable games left. Schedule doesn't look so great.

Posted by: RedskinsNation | October 12, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The media is evil.

We should stop these press conferences all together.

If only I could control them... the media.

Oh, wait, I've already tried that!


-by Dan Snyder

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Is Jon Runyan still available?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

anyone who looks at this line and still blames Campbell, Portis, any player on defense, WR, TE, etc.

Must have an extremely low football IQ. Extremely low.

And a horrible memory and ADD.

Its the line we all know it and have known for some time.

So Manu irrationally blame portis, Campbell, and zorn.

2 guys have 90+ carries and 0 fumbles
Jacobs and portis, both have 15 first downs

Cambells been sacked 15 times

If we stay undefeated at home we're still alive!

We got the chiefs, cassells been sacked 15 times

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

On WTEM, Zorn said he was "impressed" (twice) with the effort by the players yesterday.

I told you he was delusional.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs used to come out and say his players "fought their guts out" after every game, even pathetic losses. Don't think he was delusional. Gotta expect the coach to protect his players...even tho some of them should get their a$$es kicked to the curb...

Posted by: mattylight | October 12, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

All those calling for Collins may bet their wish by the half time behind this line.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Is Jon Runyan still available?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM

FOR WHAT???? So we can make a run at the PLAYOFFS???? LMAO LMAO.....

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer is going to play LT ??????

Get ready for Todd Collins by halftime.

JC is going to end up in a full body cast if Heyer is protecting his blindside.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The injury was a stinger but the problem reported on 980 is that he has stenosis of the spine which is a narrowing of the cord cavity, and that the "stinger" caused numbness and loss of strength in his extremities and that it could be a career ender......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

You see I refuse to believe that the reason this O-Line is bad just because we have sorry butt players"

SS12, there is wisdom behind that statement, for the very reasons that you sight about overhauling coaches and players is the very reason we have sorry O-Line players.

You guys are not seeing THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. This staff, put together with the Owners approval is as bad as the sorry O-Line that everybody wants to point fingers at.

And this staff includes Buges, whom everybody wants to give a pass.

He gets no pass from me.

And again, the O-line is not bad because we have sorry O-Line players, it is bad because we have a sorry staff that is not training and preparing the players properly.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse
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Larry, I don't know...I think sometimes we search for simple answers because we don't want to believe we have so much more we need to accomplish, which involves time, change, and patience.

You believe that the coaching is the problem. Thing is, all players have a ceiling. THESE guys...well, they have low ceilings. Maybe a great coach can get a guy with a ceiling of "4" to reach it...but "4" out of 10 is still a poor player.

I believe these guys COULD be coached better - but I think the ceiling we have with our O-line is very, very low.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Call Levi Jones now and get him in here at right tackle. Keep BMW at right guard. Use the first rounder on Russel Okung and the second rounder on Mike Johnson. Use the 2011 first rounder on Brian Bulaga. Call Marcus Washington and get him in here and put Orakpo on the line where he belongs. Stop trying to make JC play a "west coast" offense. He has a slow release and progresses through his reads slowly. He's the worst QB to play in an NFL caliber WCO. We have a downhill running game and a QB that can throw deep and intermediate routes as good as anyone. Keep playing Marcus Mason until Portis is "healthy". Mason is hungry and needs to pay rent. He will hit the hole like a ton of bricks every carry he gets. Send a message to CP and other vets that nothing on this team is given and everything is earned.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Just turned on the Sports Fix, from what they're saying, It sounds like Samuels will be out for awhile.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If we stay undefeated at home we're still alive!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM

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Your "football IQ" may be high, but you have no common sense.

The "blame" is to be apportioned evenly throughout the ranks.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"fought their guts out" is one thing. A cliche that serves a purpose.

But "impressed?" That's a term one usually reserves for use after a win. How the heck can anyone be "impressed" after that display yesterday?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Godspeed to Chris Samuels.

Heal well and thank you for all the years of sacrificing life and limb on the football field to give us fickle fans something to cheer about.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Agree Chia. Samuels is the last of a Skins dying breed....an o line draft pick.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how pathetic is it that all the posters on here saw trouble coming from a mile away with this offensive line LAST year but the FO didn't or just wasn't too concerned about it? Makes you think anyone here could step in and do a better job then Cerrato. And I'm not being sarcastic..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Heyer on the blindside, BMW on the strongside.

Get ready for CP. Those legs better be ready to churn like never before. This offense is on him now.

Posted by: psps23 | October 12, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Good article on NFL.com by our old friend JLC. Good read....

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/11/possible-redskins-coaching-replacements-are-in-house/

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 12, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

But "impressed?" That's a term one usually reserves for use after a win. How the heck can anyone be "impressed" after that display yesterday?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 12, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is impressed...I'm just saying I wouldn't expect him to come out and say "I wish DeAngelo Hall could make an open field tackle on a 40-year old QB who is less mobile than a statue of Drew Bledsoe," or "it's unfortunate that we had to play the game with three offensive lineman who might probably couldn't make the Oakland Raiders practice squad," or "we didn't have many options in the passing game -- so we threw to Fred Davis alot. Who do you think is slower by the way? Fred Davis or Charlie Weis?"

Posted by: mattylight | October 12, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

""I look at the people around here. I think there's a lot of people gonna be gone. I think they're going to need to build again or turn this thing around. Like I said, it's not really just the coaches. It's us players, too."
"

I guess CR22 really doesn't want to be here anymore, huh?

Rebuilding only takes a year in today's NFL.

Even with the Redskins. We have the youth.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone still blaming JC or JZ as the primary cause of the problem are delusional. And just aiming their anger at the most visible scapegoat.

Snyder bought the "well" that a loyal fan base still drinks from and some will continue to drink from even though they know its been poisoned for 10 years.

A problem this big and complex doesnt have a simple answer. Its all of the above. And anyone suggesting Snyder can start to turn things around by hiring a GM is right, but if they think that will actually happen... delusionality! This little guy isnt going to do a 180 at this point after f*&^%ing things up this bad for this long. I dont see it happening, unless the burgundy revolution gets bigger and bigger and bigger... hint, hint

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 12, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how pathetic is it that all the posters on here saw trouble coming from a mile away with this offensive line LAST year but the FO didn't or just wasn't too concerned about it? Makes you think anyone here could step in and do a better job then Cerrato. And I'm not being sarcastic..

Posted by: ga8085

Tis true. Lots of people up here 'got it'. I said the Skins should use the entire draft on the OL. 3 years ago. This train wreck occurred in very slow motion.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

cronyism on staff

probably the worst OL in the NFL

shaky QB

tin-tin for a coach

go skins

see ya next year

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 12, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

we need some of this in the locker room- they're a bunch of lollygaggers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLMl0CLIDLg

Posted by: Chris2172 | October 12, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

This train wreck occurred in very slow motion.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:06 PM

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I may have a low, an "extremely" low (cuz I can't think of a better adjective cuz I watch a lot of TV and play a lot of Madden) football IQ, but....

to me, this is the post of the day...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

SS12,

I can agree that they may have low ceilings as you indicate, but with what I see from the staff so far, there ceiling is equally low if not lower.

This staff, even with better players, might still have the same results.

A commentator this morning said that it was absolute ignorance by Zorn to have Chris Cooley relegated to blocking because Samuels went down.

Decisions made by the Staff can put good and not so good players in the position to win.

This staff does not gameplan properly for there players to succeed.

That said, I don't think we have a whole crew of sorry butt O-Liners like everyone wants to indicate.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how pathetic is it that all the posters on here saw trouble coming from a mile away with this offensive line LAST year but the FO didn't or just wasn't too concerned about it? Makes you think anyone here could step in and do a better job then Cerrato. And I'm not being sarcastic..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse
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I think I could.
Really.

Of course, I don't have the "appraisal" knowledge that VC has (don't laugh), but seriously....

..you listen to your scouts. You trust your eyes when you watch your team play.

Just doing that, I think I could outclass him and DS, because they:

1. DON'T apparently listen to their scouts, and
2. Obviously are willfully ignoring what is apparent to most of us as we watch this team.

Of course, if I were VC, I would hire a GM to fire me.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

That said, I don't think we have a whole crew of sorry butt O-Liners like everyone wants to indicate.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Really? How else do you explain their inability to give JC even 3 seconds to go through his reads? Or the putrid push they exhibit in run blocking?

A talented O-Line can more than compensate for an average QB or average RB, of which the Skins have both. See Denver as an example.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

A ray of hope from Mike Wise if Snyder really wants Shanahan?

"A former NFL team official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he has heard from several people close to the former Denver Broncos coach who say that he has no interest in having Cerrato be the architect of his team."

Of course Shanahan wasn't a very good GM for the Broncos, but I think he's smart enough to recognize why he was fired and would bring in some quality personnel people. Why he would want to coach this grease fire is another question altogether.

Posted by: skinswest | October 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how pathetic is it that all the posters on here saw trouble coming from a mile away with this offensive line LAST year but the FO didn't or just wasn't too concerned about it? Makes you think anyone here could step in and do a better job then Cerrato. And I'm not being sarcastic..

Posted by: ga8085

"Tis true. Lots of people up here 'got it'. I said the Skins should use the entire draft on the OL. 3 years ago. This train wreck occurred in very slow motion. "

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

You're right; you did say that years ago. The problem is that our management is so foolish that they literally have no long term plan:

Media says we need wr's: We take 3 in one round

Media says we have no pash rush: Overload again.

You can bet right now that they'll draft multiple, multiple ol help next year. Only problem is that it will be 2 or 3 years too late and other parts of the team will be breaking down. Smart teams and managers are looking 2 or 3 years out on players. Dan and Vinny are making it up as they go (and getting terrible, terrible results).

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | October 12, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

That's freakin hilarious. Everyone sees what needs to be done except the people that have the power to do it.

I'd also add to the list that we need to bring Marcus Washington back and put Orakpo on the Dline where he belongs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

From Vinny:

I am IT and you can't touch me! I am smart and my football IQ is high, those are my credentials. The team sucks because... because, hmmmm because... It's your fault!!

Posted by: riceldi | October 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Thank God we're playing the Chiefs."



The redskins v. the chiefs.

God I hate tribal infighting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

http://realredskins.com/2009/10/the-quick-fix—2009.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Some of these are great and I agree.....but its too late folks, 3 in conference loses and staring up at all three teams in our division, our season is O - V - E - R.

That said, I would do this, IR Daniels, cut the new punter, cut Batiste, sign Kendal, Langston Walker, and Jon Runyan. Put Orakpo with his hand down in Daniels spot for the rest of the season and either Blades or Wilson at the SLB spot. Cut Cartwright and sign Amani Toomer. Let DT11 return kicks, let Alridge return punts, and give CP 10 touches a game, Mason 10 carries a game, give Alridge 5-10 touches a game. Simple and anybody not think we improve?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington? Seriously? Come on man, Orakpo belongs at DE but we can ceretainly do better and younger than Marcus Washington.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington? Seriously? Come on man, Orakpo belongs at DE but we can ceretainly do better and younger than Marcus Washington.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Some simple truths.

1. It is the front office that left this team vulnerable along the OL. This hurts the run game, pass game and even the defense, since the defense has to be on the field more plays and wears down. Even worse, the price of an adequate OL wasn't that high.

2. Jim Zorn is not HC material. Pains me to say this since the guy is likable and thinks out of the box. But the issues with Zorn are numerous. We're 4-1 with a good HC on the sideline.

3. Every other issue with the Skins is minor compared to issue 1 and 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The crap we saw from the offense the first 4 weeks happened while JC17 actually had some time to throw the ball. Now it's gonna be jail-break city on every drop back with Heyer and BMW starting at tackle.

Hey Sherm Lewis, here's a freebie. Tell them to play out of the shotgun on EVERY snap. That will at least give JC some time to see where the cement trucks are coming from...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

2. Jim Zorn is not HC material. Pains me to say this since the guy is likable and thinks out of the box. But the issues with Zorn are numerous. We're 4-1 with a good HC on the sideline.

What good coach would come here? As it's been pointed out, nobody worth a lick is taking on this cluster f.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington? Seriously? Come on man, Orakpo belongs at DE but we can ceretainly do better and younger than Marcus Washington.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris Wilson? I don't there just aren't a lot of SLB out there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"I guess CR22 really doesn't want to be here anymore, huh?

Rebuilding only takes a year in today's NFL.

Even with the Redskins. We have the youth."

They have good, young, OL??

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 12, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how pathetic is it that all the posters on here saw trouble coming from a mile away with this offensive line LAST year but the FO didn't or just wasn't too concerned about it? Makes you think anyone here could step in and do a better job then Cerrato. And I'm not being sarcastic..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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The truly odd thing is that the front office did recognize it as the most glaring need heading into the offseason. They just decided to ignore it.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


"A former NFL team official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he has heard from several people close to the former Denver Broncos coach who say that he has no interest in having Cerrato be the architect of his team."

Posted by: skinswest | October 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Of course Shanahan wouldn't want that. Unlike Snyder, Shanahan doesn't have is head stuck 3 feet up his own arse.

Snyder is the only person in the known universe who would want Cerrato as an "architect" of a team.

This is what I was talking about last week, when I said that for the greater good of the team, I hope the tanking continues. It will only pile pressure on Danny to not just fire Zorn, but get rid of Cerratto and get REAL football people in here to do the job.

As much as it pains me to say it: here's to hoping that the Chiefs beat us.

I hate you Vinny, for what you've forced me to do...root against my own team...

F Dallas...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

That said, I would do this, IR Daniels, cut the new punter, cut Batiste, sign Kendal, Langston Walker, and Jon Runyan. Put Orakpo with his hand down in Daniels spot for the rest of the season and either Blades or Wilson at the SLB spot. Cut Cartwright and sign Amani Toomer. Let DT11 return kicks, let Alridge return punts, and give CP 10 touches a game, Mason 10 carries a game, give Alridge 5-10 touches a game. Simple and anybody not think we improve?
Posted by: zjfr2

zjfr -- interesting but confusing. Are you trying to win now or rebuild? Adding vet OL is a 'win now' move, giving lots of touches to Alridge and Mason is a 'rebuild' move. Do one or the other -- if you do both, you'll accomplish neither.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

No-huddle and shotgun from this point on. Or if I'm JC I slam my right hand in a car door and wait it out at home until next year and a new team.

Posted by: mack1 | October 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

zjfr -- interesting but confusing. Are you trying to win now or rebuild? Adding vet OL is a 'win now' move, giving lots of touches to Alridge and Mason is a 'rebuild' move. Do one or the other -- if you do both, you'll accomplish neither.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Those lineman would be one-year signings in just an effort to keep Campbell eating solid food.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

2. Jim Zorn is not HC material. Pains me to say this since the guy is likable and thinks out of the box. But the issues with Zorn are numerous. We're 4-1 with a good HC on the sideline.

What good coach would come here? As it's been pointed out, nobody worth a lick is taking on this cluster f.

Posted by: ksquare

I'm guessing there would be takers for a job the included coaching a 4-1 team -- coupled with a big paycheck.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Those lineman would be one-year signings in just an effort to keep Campbell eating solid food.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Yup, then we draft Russel Okung and Mike Johnson in the first and second round. We roll with JC for a few more years until we have built a great core of young talent then we draft an elite QB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

oh and the finishing of this is a firing of Cerrrato, hiring of Bruce Allen as a true GM and Russ Grimm and head coach. and draft a total draft of Oline

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey LarryinClinton whether you want to believe it or not most great coaches are great cause they have great players. This O-Line is horrible and it is the players. Zorn and Bugel did not select these players. The idiots running the org, Snyder and Cerrato picked these dudes and neglected the O-line in the offseason. Even tho they said themselves and the whole league that the O-Line was the biggest area of need. And when the Skins won Super Bowl in 91 Casserly was GM. How was the redskins winning back in the day? The focus was the lines. Offense and defense. This regime the whole time snyder has been here that has not been the focus and thats why the team is the way it is. Until Cerrato goes and we get a real GM in here this will continue. Thats why no matter the coach or qb or rb the results have been the same. The only constant throughout that ten year time frame SNYDER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dlp22476 | October 12, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

That said, I would do this, IR Daniels, cut the new punter, cut Batiste, sign Kendal, Langston Walker, and Jon Runyan. Put Orakpo with his hand down in Daniels spot for the rest of the season and either Blades or Wilson at the SLB spot. Cut Cartwright and sign Amani Toomer. Let DT11 return kicks, let Alridge return punts, and give CP 10 touches a game, Mason 10 carries a game, give Alridge 5-10 touches a game. Simple and anybody not think we improve?


Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse


I'm not quite a fan of paying out cash to injured vet Olinemen. Maybe Langston Walker can be salvaged into a serviceable tackle, but Kendall and Runyan do nothing for us.

Definitely a fan of letting Orakpo go DE full-time. He got beat by Jeff King in coverage for TD, but he's got the makings of a monster when he puts his hand down. A Wilson/Blades tandem at SLB would seem to work just fine.

Not sure what Amani Toomer does for us. At this point, we could bring in Randy Moss, and I think JC would still lock in on Cooley/Santana. If we bring in a has-been vet, to plug in, why not DJ Hackett. He's big, cheap and already knows the playbook.

I like the idea of working Alridge into the mix. Why exactly have we put him on the roster again?

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Grimm as coach sorry....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Fans should feel insulted by the lack of foresight Vinny Cerrato employed in assembling this team.

What an embarrassing episode in the history of a proud Washington institution. Daniel Snyder, you're ruining a public trust.

FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: drischord | October 12, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing Jon Runyan's name in this blog. I thought he signed with the Eagles weeks ago when Andrews was put on IR.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Of course Shanahan wasn't a very good GM for the Broncos, but I think he's smart enough to recognize why he was fired and would bring in some quality personnel people. Why he would want to coach this grease fire is another question altogether.

Posted by: skinswest | October 12, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan was an OK GM. His teams went to the playoffs, but rarely went deep after the Elway/Davis years.

Shanahan seemed to struggle mightily putting together a defense. Of course with Blache and the $$ we already have invested on that side of the ball, Shanahan would have little to do there.

I would gladly have Shanahan construct an offense for us.

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Kendal and Runyan can't possibly be as bad on the right side as what we have there now.....there is a long list, Jonas Jennings, Levi Jones, Langston Walker, Jon Runyan, Pete Kendal, any freaking body that resembles an NFL caliber olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Y'know, I don't buy this "no good coach is coming in to this hot mess" meme...

As much as I despise Dan Snyder, I will never underestimate his ability to get what he wants as far as hires. The Zorn hire was an aberration. Gibbs left him in the lurch by unexpectedly quitting, and while Snyder did make a shabingus of the ensuing search, I think that's an anomaly...

He went out and got Schottenheimer, a good coach who had been on record as saying he wouldn't work for an owner like Snyder.

He got Spurrier, beating out several other teams, as I recall.

He got Gibbs to come back.

And he will land a bona fide N F of L head coach this coming January.

It's not Dan's ability to hire coaches that's the problem. It's, ah, pretty much everything that happens after the hire.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"We're 4-1 with a good HC on the sideline."

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Maybe another coach would have a better record, maybe not. I don't think it would matter, though. This team doesn't have any offensive punch, and would be dead in the water once the "real" schedule gets going, regardless of the coach.

We keep doing this every several years. We ask for another coach or QB, when we have talent problems other crucial areas. Then nothing changes, and it's rinse, repeat.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 12, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Kendal and Runyan can't possibly be as bad on the right side as what we have there now.....there is a long list, Jonas Jennings, Levi Jones, Langston Walker, Jon Runyan, Pete Kendal, any freaking body that resembles an NFL caliber olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse


If your thinking is to help JC17 survive the season, I would counter with this: You can be sure that Danny intends to dump JC17 on the curb after this season. Who cares how much he gets hit?

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Did they find out that Samuels had Stenosis after he got the stinger? It is a degenerative condition that could end his career.

Posted by: jahs4fun | October 12, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins are giving 6.5 points to the Chiefs. Smell test anyone?

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

When is this team going to get a major-league #2 wide receiver?

Yes, that is item #594 on the list of areas to be fixed.

This will be a competitive team by the time of the Palin Administration.

That would be Trig Palin, of course.

I'd ask for a rim shot but who am I kidding?

Posted by: SteveMG | October 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

On WTEM, Zorn said he was "impressed" (twice) with the effort by the players yesterday.

I told you he was delusional.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

So, if the players gave the effort but the final outcome was still a loss, wouldn't this point to a problem with coaching and play calling? Obviously, winning football games is not just about effort. A Yugo heading full steam at a speeding locomotive may be putting in great effort, but the result is not too pretty. If Westbrook gives great effort, but then gets in front of his punt returner, it is still a fumble. If Hall gives great effort but still misses a tackle on Delhomme, it is still a first down. Give me execution. I'll take execution over effort every day of the week and twice on Sunday. So far, the play calling sucks and the execution is shabby. That falls on coaching.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Did they find out that Samuels had Stenosis after he got the stinger? It is a degenerative condition that could end his career.

Posted by: jahs4fun | October 12, 2009 1:45 PM

We'll know when the parade of OT come to Redskins Park tomorrow.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This sort of surprised me: we're actually making more yards when we run off the right tackle than when we run off the left.

So far in 2009, we're averaging 4.56 running right, versus 3.68 yards off left tackle. There's a comparable improvement in yards when we run around right end vs. left end.

Of course, as so many have observed, we run left a lot -- about twice as often as we run right. That skews the average gain, no doubt.

And we run up the middle significantly less than most NFL teams. A typical NFL club runs off guard/center 50% of the time; we're half that.

Still, you have to wonder, with Samuels out anyway, why not try varying our approach?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Can we even afford more than 1 free agent lineman? I thought we only had like 5 mil in cap space.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It's not Dan's ability to hire coaches that's the problem. It's, ah, pretty much everything that happens after the hire.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 1:42 PM

What's your take on Cerrato's ability to draft sensibly? 3 pass catchers in 2nd round? At least he could have gotten an OT.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 12, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Did they find out that Samuels had Stenosis after he got the stinger? It is a degenerative condition that could end his career.

Posted by: jahs4fun

I think it is more like can't-win-so-why-rush-back-from-an-inury-osis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

A second note: so far, we're not getting stuffed at the line much. In fact, only 11% of the time (7th league-wide).

We've given up 8 sacks so far.

My mistake: these numbers don't include yesterdays' game -- just the first four.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

When I saw the title line on the Carlos Rogers entry "Things Ain't Working", I was sure it was a post about his hands

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

RedCherokee, you come around these parts often? I'm the guy who has posted "WR-TE-WR" every few hours for the past 18 months.

WR-TE-WR

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

How come Zorn doesn't rip Campbell after taking the last TO with just under 9 minutes to play. I think my pee wee QB would be smarter than J.C. with clock management and pocket pressence, he is simply a dud, lame a$$ QB that will never be a winner!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

KEy nugget from Dan Daly's article:

Starting in his stead against the Panthers was newcomer Mike Williams, who has spent almost his entire career at tackle and basically had to "learn [the guard position] in about three days" last week, he said.

===========================================

Really?? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/12/dan-daly-problems-with-redskins-o-line-start-at-to/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's our defensive rankings, per NFL.com:

Defensive Game Stats: 5th, after NYG, Denver, Philly, the Jets, and Pitt

Total Yards Allowed: 5th, tied with the Steelers

Pass Defense: 3rd, after NYG and Carolina

Run Defense: 23rd, sandwiched between Detroit and St. Louis (Gentlemen, I believe we've found a Problem)

Sacks: tied for 14th with Dallas, NO, NE, & the Lions

INTs: tied for 18th with 5 other clubs

Scoring Defense: tied with Seattle for 9th

TDs Allowed: tied for 6 with Chicago & Miami

Y'know, that ain't too shabby.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I think I found the next General Manager for the Redskins.

"Police arrested a Bountiful man early Friday for allegedly groping a nurse who was helping a woman who was in labor with his baby at an Ogden hospital."

Clearly, a multitasker.

More here (not that you'll want to read it): Love Endures.

Gotta keep that humor up....

Posted by: SteveMG | October 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

How in gods name are we favored by 61/2 points against the Chiefs!!!???

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

He went out and got Schottenheimer, a good coach who had been on record as saying he wouldn't work for an owner like Snyder.

He got Spurrier, beating out several other teams, as I recall.

He got Gibbs to come back.

And he will land a bona fide N F of L head coach this coming January.

It's not Dan's ability to hire coaches that's the problem. It's, ah, pretty much everything that happens after the hire.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Schottenheimer is the only legit coach we've had since Gibbs 1.0.

Unfortunately, Marty's instincts ultimately proved correct. Once he saw from the inside how things really run, he couldn't get out of here fast enough.

Spurrier? Gibbs? Really? They came for the flipping money.....no other reason. Gibbs needed more seed money for his NASCAR gig.

A bona fide NFL coach? How about a bona fide mother f n GM!

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

As much as I despise Dan Snyder, I will never underestimate his ability to get what he wants as far as hires. The Zorn hire was an aberration.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 1:42 PM |

It wasn't so much an aberration as it was the jig is up. Peeps are on to him and how the job of HC in DC is a black hole that sucks the life out of everything that goes in. He tried to hire McD and Spags, the best up-and-coming coords and they turned him down. He tried to hire Cow, the best experience there was and he turned him down. He tried to hire Carol, the best college and he turned him down. Snide will be lucky if he can find an assist on the staff of univ of MD to take the job.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

How come Zorn doesn't rip Campbell after taking the last TO with just under 9 minutes to play. I think my pee wee QB would be smarter than J.C. with clock management and pocket pressence, he is simply a dud, lame a$$ QB that will never be a winner!

Posted by: joeboggs

Except when he went undefeated at Auburn and won a national (co) championship.

Ownage.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Except when he went undefeated at Auburn and won a national (co) championship.

Ownage.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2009 2:09 PM |

But he had Cadillac and RB at Aub. Here in DC with lame azz Port-o-let the RB, the QB has to do something besides hand the ball off.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Except when he went undefeated at Auburn and won a national (co) championship.

Ownage.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

And still no one wanted him except us, and look at the results!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

ksquare, remember, I wasn't talking about the results, I was talking about the hires themselves.

I wasn't a fan of the Spurrier hire, but I understood how it made sense to Snyder at the time. I was definitely a fan of the Gibbs hire.

And I wasn't talking about the GM or the puppet acting as GM. I was only talking about head coaches. I stand by what I said: I do not doubt Snyder's ability to get the coach he wants, whoever that may be (and whatever dubious criteria he may apply to decide who that is). That's my response to the oft-stated claim that "no good coach will come to the Redskins."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

And on offense, to date (NFL.com):

With respect to both Offensive Game Stats & Total Yards Gained: 23rd, between the Bears and the Jets (funny, I thought those two clubs would be quite a bit ahead of us).

Passing: 22nd

Rushing: 25th

Scoring: 27th

TDs: 26th

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

But he had Cadillac and RB at Aub. Here in DC with lame azz Port-o-let the RB, the QB has to do something besides hand the ball off.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Not much any QB could do behind the swiss cheese OL. Other than slants and quick screens, how do you propose he throw a mid to long range pass, with about 2.2 seconds from the word hike.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

How come Zorn doesn't rip Campbell after taking the last TO with just under 9 minutes to play. I think my pee wee QB would be smarter than J.C. with clock management and pocket pressence, he is simply a dud, lame a$$ QB that will never be a winner!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Get out of here with this garbage.

Besides the point that Jim Zorn has 0 room to be ripping anyone, what good would come from him calling out JC?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

And still no one wanted him except us, and look at the results!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

We took a QB with a slow release and slow read progression and stuck him in a WCO. What results were we expecting?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

4th- I'm confused. By quoting that "key nugget," are you implying it's the fault of the coaching staff for playing Big Mike at RG?

Or are you agreeing with Daly's well supported thesis that it's a result of the absolute failure of the front office to address the issues along the OLine?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 12, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

TDs Allowed: tied for 6 with Chicago & Miami

Y'know, that ain't too shabby.

Posted by: Samson151


You have to consider the teams we've played against though....

Other than the Giants, who scares anyone?

Rams, Lions, Buccaneers, Can't remember the other team....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Except when he went undefeated at Auburn and won a national (co) championship.

Ownage.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams won a national championship, JC went along for the ride.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

As much as it pains me to say it: here's to hoping that the Chiefs beat us.

I hate you Vinny, for what you've forced me to do...root against my own team...

F Dallas...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


Unfortunately, I feel the same way...This really stinks

Posted by: ocskins | October 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Samuels knew of his condition before this game the bottom line is that after taking that hit he had a "stinger" Samuels had pain throught his back and numbness/tingling to his extremities. Based on the comdition he already has and the reaction to a normal football collision I would say this could be the end or Samuels...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Beeps

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Besides the point that Jim Zorn has 0 room to be ripping anyone, what good would come from him calling out JC?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Not call him out with the media, but just show some emotion on the field like that was a real bad move to waste a precious timeout when you don't have anymore with a first down. What's the worst that can happen if you run the play, gain 2 yards like we always do on first down.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Just blow it up and bring in the next guy.
Problem is in Zorn's case, he took a sucker's bet, the defense and coaches were in place (though decent at the time) but they got him to keep Gibbs' running scheme. No pulling guards, zone blocking. Imagine BMW's large a-- (if he can move it) opening up a hole or Dock from the other side. Would it be better if he went with his own ideas? Maybe not but at least he gets canned on his own philosophies.

Posted by: clt_skins | October 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, I hope the house cleaning begins at the top, something like this:

1. a Ron Wolf or maybe Bill Parcells type comes in as a special adviser to Dan, to supervise the rebuilding of the front office starting with permanent banishment of Vinny Cerrato and the hire of Cerrato's replacement, someone qualified to be GM of an NFL team.

b. that GM, a person other than Vinny Cerrato, hires the new head coach

f. the GM, a person other than Vinny Cerrato, rebuilds the offensive line with not-too-old free agents and good draft picks

5. the GM, a person other than Vinny Cerrato (I cannot stress this enough), acquires a solid, capable veteran QB via trade or free agency, even if that person is not high on the sexy/plash scale

@. the head coach makes it known that we'll have competition at every single position on the roster, aside from long snapper

The offseason ensues, enlivened by this open competition and the lack of a salary cap... and voila! Hail to our new and improved 2010 Washington Redskins, unrecognizable from the team that was in such disarray only a few months earlier, and on its way to recovery. A fan can dream.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

And I wasn't talking about the GM or the puppet acting as GM. I was only talking about head coaches. I stand by what I said: I do not doubt Snyder's ability to get the coach he wants, whoever that may be (and whatever dubious criteria he may apply to decide who that is). That's my response to the oft-stated claim that "no good coach will come to the Redskins."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see it. How come hot prospects like Spags or McDaniels, or Carroll, even Cowher aren't here? Can't be the money, they're gonna get paid either way. Snyder wanted all of them.

Snyder just goes down the list until he finds a willing, but deferential candidate.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I hate the idea of Vinny being in charge and Shanahan has proven he shouldn't be in charge.

So is it possible to have the combination of Vinny and Shanahan being two wrongs = 1 right?

fwiw, I doubt anyone gives Shanny the control he wants. But Shanny would get real influence, something less than total control. He never would have let Vinny skip picking OL in the drafts.

If nothing else, I suspect Morrocco Brown, supposedly one of the sharper minds at evaluating talent, will find a new home this offseason.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,
Yes, I think the defense is coming together - finally. They did give up one drive of note yesterday. No defense has worked so hard to get so little from their offense and maybe that just took the wind from their sails at the end of the game. They can't let that happen again.

This defense would be much better if the offense could put in a few long drives and they, and/or the special teams, would not turn the ball over. Having said that, they still have a ways to go. D. Hall got faked out by a 34 year old quarterback scrambling yesterday. How did that feel D'Angelo? There was at least one play where Haynesworth did not stay at home and the Panthers ran by him. So, discipline still needs to be worked on. Orakpo had two bone-headed penalties go against him yesterday and he has to knock that stuff off.

Conversely, I though Doughty, Fletcher and McIntosh turned in yet another combined good performance. I thought Carter had his best day as a Redskin. I think Haynesworth, excepting the free lancing, played pretty well. Orakpo added to his sack total. D. Hall continues to get interceptions. If these guys can start feeding off one another they could be scary good.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Screw a "big" name.

How about promoting Morocco Brown to GM. It paid off big time when the Giants promoted Jerry Reese to succeed Accorsi.

Many areas on this team are stocked well: D-line, secondary and tight end. Yes I do think Sleepy will eventually be a solid pro.

The Skins aren't exactly a reclamation project but they need a kick booty offseason of great drafting and reasonable FA signings to be back. If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to winning their division the following season, then any team can turn it around.

Posted by: elfreako | October 12, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Defense could be improved but it definitely isn't the problem. I'd be fine with keeping that side of the ball in tact next season, with all the overhauls going towards the offense. I just think the current defensive players need to play with discipline. The talent is there.

Need a new starting tackle and guard out of next year's draft and free agency... and some kind of future QB. Put those 3 things together along with a coach that knows what they are doing... and we might have a good team. Also need speed at RB. It's hard to gauge the 3 2nd rounders to this point. Don't know if it's them, the quarterback, the coaching or that the offensive line is horrible. Could be all of the above.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

In the office pool, I will not be picking this team to win anymore. After all, I want to win the pool at least once.

Posted by: chopin224 | October 12, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, please get all of your business obligations in order, visit or call family you haven't talk to in a while, and get that last conversation in with the Lord. Because the next Sundays coming up will be played in the valley of death for you and the backfield. Vinny and Danny have bl00d on their hands.

Posted by: clark202 | October 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Like the O-line would be different with or without Sammuel. I am sure if they put the Cheerleaders, they would give better protection than the woosies we have now in O-Line

Posted by: simonbm | October 12, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow! With Samuels out I might jumpship and start rooting for that expertly run franchise, the Baltimore Ravens. I hear that they're on a big win streak now.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Is Kendall that bad that the Skins can't sign him over just-benched Rhinehart? Seriously?

Posted by: WorstSeat | October 12, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

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