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Shanahan not sold on Favre retirement

With word circulating throughout the sports world of Brett Favre's reported decision to retire instead of returning to the Minnesota Vikings for a 20th season, not all are convinced -- and that includes Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan.

"I've got to see it before I'll believe it," Shanahan joked after Tuesday's practice.

Shanahan and Favre battled way back in Super Bowl XXXII, when Shanahan and John Elway finally put the Denver Broncos over the hump against Favre's Packers. It was Favre's last Super Bowl appearance, and Shanahan's first. He led Denver to a second title the next year.

Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss also shared his opinion of Favre and his long-awaited decision.

"Playing against him, I hated it," he said. "But I appreciated the times he gave everybody. Good luck with this, with his retirement and career now."

Moss then shared a memory he had of playing against the gun-slinging, stubborn quarterback.

"I remember playing against him and he threw like three up in the air and Sean Taylor caught like two or three of them, not sure, he could've had about six of them, but he came right back in and kept doing it," Moss said. "He was just letting you know, 'So what? I'm gonna do it again. You better pick it every time.'"

"Growing up just watching this guy I always knew he was going to be that guy, be one of the greatest," he said of the future Hall of Famer. "And he proved that."

By Jorge Castillo  |  August 3, 2010; 2:30 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , Santana Moss  
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I'm not sold either. But I'm first.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 3, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan just got this tweet from Beard Childless:

Pick you up at the airport??

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Nah, I am sure they just watched the talent he displayed as a 21 year old rookie in THE PRO BOWL.

Thanks for playing though. It was a cute effort.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 2:23 PM

Obviously, you didn't watch last season.

Pro bowls are popularity contest. He didn't go to the PB because of his coverage skills, which costs us like 2 games atleast....He went because of his sack totals compared to other rookies.

TEs were killing him on 3rd downs and red zone possesions.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the Moss quotes.

Posted by: TBDog | August 3, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds 8/3/10
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
08/03/10 1:43 PM EDT

Studs

FS Kareem Moore. Continues to make plays on the ball. Had a pick this morning (off Rex Grossman and covering Roydell Williams; not exactly Pro Bowlers, but stay with me here) because he didn’t fall for a double move. It helped that the ball was slightly underthrown, but Moore was in the right spot. He’s using his eyes much better, as he said after practice. In the past, he might have gotten caught looking too long in the backfield. That’s not happening as much – at least not yet.

SS LaRon Landry. Made an athletic and smart play. First, he read a screen pass to the defense’s left and then as the back fell to the ground, he leapt over to pick off the pass. Landry is playing smart thus far. He seems more prepared than in the past.

OG Chad Rinehart. The Rhino! Yes, he’s actually looked fairly solid the past two days. Nothing stands out so much as nothing bad is going on with him. I haven’t seen him screw up and that’s a good start. He’s showing decent footwork and is maintaining leverage. Saw him stop Jeremy Jarmon when the latter tried a bull rush. Also drove out Maake Kemoeatu on a zone block. Now, not ready to put him in Canton but for now he looks like he can be a solid backup.

PK Graham Gano. Made 10 out of 11 field goals. And when he was working on another field (with no rush and kicking by himself), he drilled a few balls from 55 yards.

CB Kevin Barnes. He’s showing a heck of a lot more than last season. In 2009, it was amazing how many times he looked lost in coverage during practice. Now, he’s doing a better job sticking with his man. Don’t know how far up the depth chart he’ll move, but he has improved. Blanketed Devin Thomas on one route today.

LT Will Robinson. I haven’t seen him mess up too often and today he was pretty solid. The kid just has good fundamentals; his base prevents him from getting off-balance. I’m anxious to see him in a preseason game to see if he can be a decent backup. He’s more impressive than, say, Stephon Heyer ever was on the left side. Yes, a low bar but still. A nice start to camp.

RB Willie Parker. Showed some burst again. This time on a misdirection cutback run the corner (Carlos Rogers) was a little bit too far inside. But not much. Still, Parker got around him. Parker also had a nice block in protection drills vs. Chris Draft. Drew a, “There you go Willie!” from Bobby Turner.


Posted by: TWISI | August 3, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Duds

QB Donovan McNabb. Many of us have come to the conclusion that he just doesn’t look that great in practice most of the time. He hasn’t exactly been on-target with his throws. He was better in the red zone, but even in the 7 on 7s – with no rush, it’s easier to find open targets – he was off. Got picked by Carlos Rogers on one; would have been a touchdown.

RT Stephon Heyer. Chris Wilson wasn’t doing much against any of the other tackles in one-on-one situations. Except when paired against Heyer. Just to easy to get him going upfield, then cut back inside. He almost never seems to have a good base, which is why he doesn’t react well. Couple times his feet looked frozen in place.

RT Clint Oldenburg. I just don’t like how often he gets beaten or stood up or overpowered. I would say Heyer’s job as a backup is in jeopardy, but Oldenburg needs to show more. On one pull, he simply was too slow to get to linebacker Rob Jackson.

C Casey Rabach. Not his best day, particularly in the one-on-one work. However, that doesn’t necessarily play to his strength, which is blocking down. But Maake Kemoeatu overpowered him a couple times. He also was beaten by Darrion Scott off the snap in the one-on-one’s.

RT Selvish Capers. Still doing too much lunging; watched Vonnie Holliday get past him on his second step. Capers looks like a practice squad guy thus far. It’ll take him time to develop.

RB Larry Johnson (pass protection). Johnson completely missed Chris Wilson in a one-on-one pass protection drill. Just missed him. Later he got knocked aside by Robert Henson. He doesn’t have a good reputation as a blocker.

RB Keiland Williams (pass protection). Brian Orakpo just ran right through him in the protection drills. Yes, he’s not at Orakpo’s level. But if he wants to make the roster that’s the kind of guy he’ll eventually face.

FB Darrel Young (pass protection). Got abused by Chris Wilson on a rush (so why wasn’t Wilson a stud? Did this all against backups; was always stuffed by the starters). Young put his head down, an absolute no-no as a blocker. Meant he was bending a bit too much at the waist.


Posted by: TWISI | August 3, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This news just hit:

Sal Paolantonio: McNabb Wanted to go to Minnesota All Along

"McNabb wanted to go to Minnesota all along and I think that he won't sign a new deal in Washington so he can go to Vikings as a free agent next year."

Posted by: Gambrills4 | August 3, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Nah, I am sure they just watched the talent he displayed as a 21 year old rookie in THE PRO BOWL.

Thanks for playing though. It was a cute effort.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 2:23 PM

Obviously, you didn't watch last season.

Pro bowls are popularity contest. He didn't go to the PB because of his coverage skills, which costs us like 2 games atleast....He went because of his sack totals compared to other rookies.

TEs were killing him on 3rd downs and red zone possesions.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2010 2:38 PM

Dude, you need to start breaking the little yellow pills in half. HE WAS A ROOKIE FOR CHRIST's SAKE! Relax and worry more about Landry, Tryon and the lazy wideouts on the team. Once you open your eyes a little, a guy who SHOULD have been rookie of the year (if it weren't for 'Roid Boy) should be one of your least concerns on this team.

Jesus, am I speakin' Chinese?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Good to know that Orakpo is "terrible" in coverage based off one one year, his rookie year at that.

They should cut his non-covering ass before it's too late.

Ca'mon cut him, he's trash!!! CA'MAAAAAN, DOOWIT NAOW!!!!!


So much for getting better with time. I guess Orakpo has already hit his ceiling in year two... who knew???

Posted by: RedDMV | August 3, 2010 2:34 PM

No MoFo.....

If someone isn't good at something...Let's just give him bigger responsibilities in that department. Brilliant!

Not. The talk so far was that BOrak would get to rush more and be less in coverage. That post totally stated the opposite which isn't a good thing IMO if portrayed accuratelly...

...But the again, we may be f#%ked irregardless....it was either BOrak or Lorenzo/Carter...and we all saw when Lo tried to cover Westbrook a few years back I think it was.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This news just hit:

Sal Paolantonio: McNabb Wanted to go to Minnesota All Along

"McNabb wanted to go to Minnesota all along and I think that he won't sign a new deal in Washington so he can go to Vikings as a free agent next year."

Posted by: Gambrills4 | August 3, 2010 2:44 PM

Oh well...can we get JC back...maybe for a 3rd rounder?

Posted by: PlayAction | August 3, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you need to start breaking the little yellow pills in half. HE WAS A ROOKIE FOR CHRIST's SAKE! Relax and worry more about Landry, Tryon and the lazy wideouts on the team. Once you open your eyes a little, a guy who SHOULD have been rookie of the year (if it weren't for 'Roid Boy) should be one of your least concerns on this team.

Jesus, am I speakin' Chinese?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 2:45 PM


Whaaa? Landry will be the least of our concerns this year because it is back to playing to his strentghs and not imatating (poorly) ST21.

Tryon stepped it up last year when he became a regular contributor....

So, stop trying to divert the focus of the topic....Just let me know when I start lying....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

How about bringing Sage Rosenfels back if McNabb goes there. Ugh!

Posted by: Gambrills4 | August 3, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Great stuff, TWISI. In the "duds" portion, that LJ assessment is one of the key reasons I'd rather have Westbrook here...on 3rd down LJ can't catch AND can't block. We can't have him AND Portis out there on 1st and 2nd down...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 3, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I am not at all worried about McNabb going anywhere...first off, a year is a ton of time in sports. What is the reason McNabb wants to be in Minnesota? To play for Brad Childress. Well if the Vikings suck this year, he may get fired. Not to mention there might not even be a football season next year.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | August 3, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Duds

"QB Donovan McNabb. Many of us have come to the conclusion that he just doesn’t look that great in practice most of the time. He hasn’t exactly been on-target with his throws. He was better in the red zone, but even in the 7 on 7s – with no rush, it’s easier to find open targets – he was off. Got picked by Carlos Rogers on one; would have been a touchdown."

Posted by: TWISI | August 3, 2010 2:42 PM

Not good news but what I expected. He looking the same as he did in the regular season for the past few years. Man, I hope this changes.....

Posted by: dcwun | August 3, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE HAVE B. PARCELLS EMAIL ADD?

Posted by: FIRE_MSHANAHAN | August 3, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo was horrible in pass coverage last year. Probably to be expected considering he played DE in college. It is scary that that dude is the Skins' best cover linebacker. But looking at who the outside linebackers are (Wilson, Alexander, Carter) I can see why he'd be designated top cover LB.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 3, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Whaaa? Landry will be the least of our concerns this year because it is back to playing to his strentghs and not imatating (poorly) ST21.

Tryon stepped it up last year when he became a regular contributor....

So, stop trying to divert the focus of the topic....Just let me know when I start lying....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 3, 2010 2:55 PM

That's funny, it's Tryon's JOB to cover and EVERYONE said that Landry was interchangeable with the FS/SS slots. Sean Taylor got beat deep multiple times. Actually, if YOU watched the season last year, Orakpo had dramatically improved his 'playing in space' skills considering his did almost none of that beforehand - ever.

I like the man's chances and you're just a silly doosh clinging to a point that was ill-made relative to a first year player and how you just cannot fathom a second year stud actually improving over his rookie season.

Let me tell you one more thing son, Landry isn't even on the level of his brother. Forget about his mental shortcomings. If he could tackle in-bounds as well as he hits out-of bounds, he might make a pro-bowl or hell, I'll settle for a stop on 3rd down, let alone a pick.

4th floor, keep on struggling and I'll keep on owning you b i t c h.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go put some water in your momma's water dish.

Lastly, most of us knew in 2nd grade that 'irregardless' is not a word in the English language. I think you listen way too much to the John Thompson or LaVar (SubPar) Arrington show when you should be listening to 'Hooked On Phonics'.

Ownage.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE HAVE B. PARCELLS EMAIL ADD?

Posted by: FIRE_MSHANAHAN | August 3, 2010 3:08 PM

Do you think that Parcells would go any easier on Fat Abert?

Posted by: kaasmaster | August 3, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE HAVE B. PARCELLS EMAIL ADD?

Posted by: FIRE_MSHANAHAN | August 3, 2010 3:08 PM

Here ya go...tuna@fatfukk.com

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FIRE_MSHANAHAN

Kurt Shanaman, is that you? Are you upset that they sent your butt buddy Colt packing?

Posted by: kaasmaster | August 3, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Sal Palantonio is a sh*t-stirrin' sleazebag, I bet McNabb said that to him before he got traded and now the elec tronic Jersey media hitmachine is laying down a spray from his Thompson sub-machine gun , trying to drive a wedge in the Skins Skull for his boys, the Giants and Eagles..Somebody confront McNabb on it and then mail Ol' Sal a cease and desist anthrax-laced St. Valentines card...

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Posts seem to be every hour on the half hour this afternoon...get ready folks...I feel something really big coming up next!

Posted by: PlayAction | August 3, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Moss then shared a memory he had of playing against the gun-slinging, stubborn quarterback.

"I remember playing against him and he threw like three up in the air and Sean Taylor caught like two or three of them, not sure, he could've had about six of them, but he came right back in and kept doing it," Moss said. "He was just letting you know, 'So what? I'm gonna do it again. You better pick it every time.'

************

Yeah, I remember THAT game. Santana couldn't catch anything, made some huge drops. So they called a reverse to give him a chance to run with it, he coughed it up and the Pack ran it in for a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why is Sal Palantonio drudging up this nonsense?

McNabb is in DC, and if, scratch that, when we make the playoffs and McNabb beats Philly twice, he won't be going anywhere.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Sal Palantonio is a sh*t-stirrin' sleazebag, I bet McNabb said that to him before he got traded and now the elec tronic Jersey media hitmachine is laying down a spray from his Thompson sub-machine gun , trying to drive a wedge in the Skins Skull for his boys, the Giants and Eagles..Somebody confront McNabb on it and then mail Ol' Sal a cease and desist anthrax-laced St. Valentines card...

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 3, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Moss then shared a memory he had of playing against the gun-slinging, stubborn quarterback.

"I remember playing against him and he threw like three up in the air and Sean Taylor caught like two or three of them, not sure, he could've had about six of them, but he came right back in and kept doing it," Moss said. "He was just letting you know, 'So what? I'm gonna do it again. You better pick it every time.'

************

Yeah, I remember THAT game. Santana couldn't catch anything, made some huge drops. So they called a reverse to give him a chance to run with it, he coughed it up and the Pack ran it in for a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM

Nasty nasty weather that game

Posted by: PlayAction | August 3, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Brett Favre should do a Lebron James and host an hour long "Decision" special on the eve of the regular season on ESPN.
Madden could host it and at the end Brett pulls out a Vikings helmet and says "I'm taking my talents to Mall of America".

Posted by: Predator48 | August 3, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I remember THAT game. Santana couldn't catch anything, made some huge drops. So they called a reverse to give him a chance to run with it, he coughed it up and the Pack ran it in for a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM

Nasty nasty weather that game

Posted by: PlayAction

Campbell played a very good game that day, but his WRs dropped several key plays. But Moss pretty much lost that game by himself.

Thrash even had a 25 yd catch wiped out because of offsetting penalties. Guy was holding him, so he threw the defender to the ground. Lloyd had a potential TD pass (was a tough catch), go off his fingertips.

And Sean Taylor was covering massive amounts of turf. Every time Favre put some air under the ball, Taylor was there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell played a very good game that day, but his WRs dropped several key plays. But Moss pretty much lost that game by himself."

Moss had a terrible game, fumbling the ball in icy wet Lambeau and Woodson ran it in for the game-winning TD...

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I remember THAT game. Santana couldn't catch anything, made some huge drops. So they called a reverse to give him a chance to run with it, he coughed it up and the Pack ran it in for a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM

Nasty nasty weather that game

Posted by: PlayAction

Campbell played a very good game that day, but his WRs dropped several key plays. But Moss pretty much lost that game by himself.

Thrash even had a 25 yd catch wiped out because of offsetting penalties. Guy was holding him, so he threw the defender to the ground. Lloyd had a potential TD pass (was a tough catch), go off his fingertips.

And Sean Taylor was covering massive amounts of turf. Every time Favre put some air under the ball, Taylor was there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 3, 2010 3:37 PM

I'm thinking I had too many coldies during that game. All I really remember is the weather, the fumble and Favre throwing about a dozen passes that looked like punts.

Posted by: PlayAction | August 3, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Why is Sal Palantonio drudging up this nonsense?

McNabb is in DC, and if, scratch that, when we make the playoffs and McNabb beats Philly twice, he won't be going anywhere.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 3, 2010 3:27 PM |

HD has ruined SalPal's chances at an ESPN studio gig. Carl Maldin thinks Sal's nose is a honker and the moon is jealous of the amount of cratering on his face.

Maybe Sally is just mad that much more attractive people like Hugh "Coffee Cakes" McDonough, Shelly "Leggo My Eggo" Smith, Linda "Twelve Toes" Kohn, Holly "I'm not fat I'm Fluffy" Rowe, Pam "Man" Ward, Pam "5-head" Oliver, Michelle Man 2" Tafoya and Andrea "Are My Eyes Big Enough?" Kramer have/had all those slots on lockdown.

Hey Sally? Have another cheese steak you turd.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | August 3, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I won't believe that Sal Pal quote without a link, that has fake all over it

Posted by: chrislarry | August 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, cl, let's see that proof, he's kind of amicable, in a italiano paisano kinda way...

Posted by: frak | August 3, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

el beepo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Ol' Sal is still holding a grudge against the 'Skins for cutting his buddy Jeff George loose.

Posted by: zimbar | August 3, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, right.

Colt Brennan to replace Brett Favre.

OK.

Who knows? I mean, maybe!

Colt just might be able to replace the most durable QB ever... if only he could stay out of the hospital due to practice injuries. Skip the practice and you'd get a couple of quarters out of him. Maybe.

Colt is Gone. And he took 60% of the Campbell Bashing with him. Now, if he could just take his burned-out cult of know-nothings with him to JV, that would be great.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 3, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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